Emily Jane Fairs on Marathon Underfuelling Risks & Running Mentality

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2:45I love pushing myself. like it's so it's so fun just to see what your body's capable of and like I'm a really big believer in like you are who you say you are and growing up I always thought I'm not the best runner like I didn't really grow up running I didn't grow up that sporty and then as I got older I realized oh no like it's my world like I can decide who I am essentially so that's why I was like right I'm gonna become a runner I'm gonna start doing ultra marathons I'm gonna start getting faster and I think that's why I love doing these races so I can like push myself and just see how capable I am like I did arc of attrition the start of this year it was like the worst conditions possible like I I'm so surprised I didn't cancel it because of how bad the storm was but doing a race like that makes you realize oh my gosh like something like you you you'll know like something you thought was impossible or you thought you'd never be doing you do it you show up for yourself and you're like I have almost unlocked this whole other level of my personality that I didn't realize I had or like this level of self-belief I think it's really interesting when you start to move the dial on um like your perception of what's possible yeah you know when I was younger I would look at people who would run a sub 20 minute 5k or like a three hour marathon and I would just I wouldn't even think about trying to do that I would just be like that's that's for other people yeah like that's that's an impossible thing for me it wasn't even a like oh that would be hard if i set my mind to it it's like that's just not on the cards yeah completely and then you know well you'd look at people doing an iron man and you just go like that to me just feels yeah silly almost it's kind of why would you even bother and then i think you know life changes and you evolve as a person and things become possible years ago my limits would be completely different to what they are today but today where would you see your limits like 5k, 10k marathon times?

4:47Like what do you think is possible for you? For me personally, I am really just getting started. Like I never even thought, like even a year ago, like I did Sydney Marathon a year ago and I got like, I want to say like 350. And then I did London this year and got 304. And I hadn't even been training for a marathon. I was like just training for Archivitian. And then it was like off the back of that training for an 100k that I knocked down my marathon time. so I'm I'm set and I feel like I can do sub three within the next coming months I don't know I want to see how far I can take it and like I say I'm only 22 I've been running for like two years now and I'm so unbelievably delusional like so delusional that I'm like I can I genuinely think I can do whatever I put my mind to now don't get me wrong I am not breaking records I'm not going to get like sub 230 or something insane but I I think I could get like 245 240 who knows like Like the sky's the limit.

5:42I'm so delusional that I'm like, if there's a goal that I want to achieve, I can achieve it. Like there's so many things in my past where I'm like, I never thought I would have got out of that or I never thought I'd achieve X, Y, Z and then I did. So it's almost like having this previous evidence of I am who I say I am. So if I tell myself I can be a 250, 245 marathon runner, then who's to say that I can't take the action and take the steps to become that version of myself. And is that something that you're interested in? Like from my side, I never really cared about times until quite recently.

6:15So like, you know, when I broke three hours, I kind of thought that was that. Yeah. Great, I've done that. Yeah. And then it's kind of, you come back to it and you get inspired by other people and you go, actually, I want more from this. I want to go fast. I want to be better. Yeah. Where are you at the moment? So are you still just running for the enjoyment of running? Or, you know, have you got any goals in mind? Oh, no, I definitely, like, I want to go sub three. I'm not going to lie and say those four minutes didn't annoy me. And I was really ill. I was like borderline going to get sepsis when I ran the marathon because I didn't realise, but I was like extremely ill.

6:49Like had to take like a week's off of running afterwards. So I'm like, oh, if I can do 304, ill. Like how far can I then take back that time? I am intrigued about obviously pushing down my time, but I am more interested in competing in longer distances. so like knocking down my 100k time competing in like the 100 miles like eventually like the a goal is more so geared towards like i want to do leadville i want to do utmb um i want to do eventually go into the 200s and like the big ones that interests me and gets me more like excited and riled up than it does trying to push a really crazy marathon time that's interesting i kind of went at it from the other way okay like so so i'm finding myself very interested in like fast marathoning specifically at the moment have you done multi-day stage stuff no see that doesn't entice me at all like the whole idea of like do you mean like you know like when you do at the stop start yeah well like marathon or like a kind of jungle ultra or anything like that doesn't interest me at all like i want to see how quick i can rip 100 miles rather than trying to like stop, start, stop, start.

8:02Like I do, I love it from the perspective of like feeling like I'm a hobbit and I'm going to go on some sort of like excursion to like Isengard or something. Like if I was to do like a multi-day thing, but I'd rather just try and full send a hundred miles or like full send like 200. That gets me way more excited than it does from just obviously doing like multi-day. I find it really funny that like how lit up you are about the prospect of going after 100 miles yeah that really most people would not like that idea i don't think i've done 100 miles once yeah and it was like 106 or something yeah 24 hours around a track and it was that's a bit different though it was kind of grim actually well it was like it had its moments yeah yeah it had its moments but it was it was actually quite shit towards the end oh really well like Like it's, it's, it's a lot, I think, on the body.

8:58I don't know how you would hold up. I think, I think you'd probably, like by the looks of you, you'd do great. But I, yeah, like the body kind of, my body anyway, began to kind of break down. Yeah. After, you know, 20 hours of continuous, you know, jogging. Yeah. It starts to say no. Yeah, 100%. But I do feel like, and I've never done, like, this is me just like throwing, like throwing it out. because obviously I wouldn't know I haven't done either 100 miles on a track or on a trail. But I feel like on a trail, you're then so like encapsulated by the scenery, but also being chased. Like I'm quite competitive.

9:33So if I was being chased or like if I knew someone was behind me or if I was trying to catch up someone in front of me, that would sort of like rile me up after I've been running for say 80 miles. If I know I'm like, I don't know, 10 minutes behind someone, I just like try and like take people down rather than just like pelting around a track. I feel like I then start getting to my own head. And I do feel like when you do do these longer things, your brain does give up before your body. So I don't know, but I've never done either, so I can't exactly sit here and compare the two. What do you think of the term runfluencer?

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12:46I don't like it but I think that's because it just ties towards the name influencer and influencer in my head is like come with me I don't know I don't like it I don't like it either what's your view on regardless of what it's called the running market that we're in and the people in it how do you feel about the way in which kind of, you know, the running world exists on social media today? I think it's good and bad. I think it's so positive because I know I've, and I personally also have experienced like me inspiring other people and also being inspired by consuming like content on social media.

13:33Like you've got people like, I don't know, Courtney Duolter and Rachel Entrich and like all these crazy female ultra runners I'd never be aware of if it wasn't for social media and like the coverage that it gives those incredible women and races and whatnot but I do think that also things like what we spoke earlier like times people become super obsessed over times and then that's when we then feed into like the whole stress fracture gate and all that sort of stuff and I think social media has been the cause of like people over training under fueling just being competitive but in the wrong way so I think that there's good and bad and it's the same as anything, isn't it, really?

14:11Do you know what I mean? So I can't say I love or hate it. I wish I had discovered running at the age of 22. How did you find it? Who inspired you? You know, how did you come to lace up and get out there? I was always, like, interested, roughly, in running. And, like, I was always, at school, I was, like, just awful. Like, I just wasn't that good. I was, like, the worst of, like, the good group. Do you know what I mean? When it came to, like, PE and stuff. And then I got into the gym after COVID. I ran a little bit in COVID like everyone did, but not really properly. And then I got into the gym.

14:44And then one day in like March, 2024, I just woke up and I was like, oh, I bet I could run a marathon. So I ran a marathon. It was awful. It took me like, don't like, I would never recommend to anyone to do that. It took me like five and a half hours, like in the back end of like the forest in Suffolk by myself. On, mind you, eight jelly babies. You just went out and ran one. You didn't sign up to one? No, no, no. When I say to people, I woke up and ran a marathon, I got out of bed. I ate some porridge, ate jelly babies in my bag. Eight? Eight. Why eight? I genuinely don't know. I remember taking eight in tinfoil in like my Amazon running vest, some water and like off I went.

15:25So you got out there, you ran your first marathon. You didn't love it. No, I actually quite enjoyed it. No, it was hard. It was awful. And I would never recommend someone to do that. And it felt horrendous. My legs were like logs and it was raining. But I was sort of like, oh, if I could do that, I could do an ultramarathon. So like a week later, I saw the Thames Path Challenge, like 100k from like, I think it's Putney towards Henley. I was like, 100k, if I can raw dog 42, I can do 100. So then just signed up to that, which was in September, and started working towards that. And how are you kind of training around getting ready for stuff?

16:05Or is your style still very much the raw dog? Oh, what is it like my training now compared to then? Well, obviously, I personally find that there's different ways of approaching certain events. I myself have also just like sprung out of bed and ran a marathon when I'm not ready to run a marathon. And the experience of doing that is certainly very interesting. If there's a lot of pressure to succeed in something, then perhaps it's a good idea to kind of prepare for that particular event. But there's something kind of beautiful in a lack of preparation or a lack of understanding of certain ultras.

16:40You know, like in the Marathon de Sable, for example, like I wasn't particularly ready for it. So the experience of fighting it and getting to grips with it was kind of life changing. Whereas, you know, if I went and did the Marathon de Sable now, I'd find it just really easy. I probably wouldn't gain any like experience from doing that. It's quite nice tackling things that you're not quite sure of what's to come. Yeah, the naivety is actually what made it, in my opinion, because I was so naive as to how difficult it would be and how difficult the prep would be. Like, yes, obviously, I was very lucky.

17:13It was a flat course I obviously chose. But I didn't know how my body was going to respond after being on my feet for 14, 13 hours, however long it took me. And I really quite enjoyed that because it was almost like I was just really seeing and experiencing running for what it was rather than like I think now I can sometimes and I think loads of people do as well get caught up in times or like you sort of say external pressure or even internal pressure like I want to get sub three I want to get this time in the marathon I want to get this time in an ultra marathon I want to place in this certain position like back then I was I just want to go out and just have a bit of fun I just want to run this ultra marathon and just like see where life takes me and like I took it so unserious I had a Trilly Con Carne at the 50k mark.

17:55Like I really just sort of went into it just with the absolute passion of loving pushing my body and seeing how far I can take myself. And I think that back then is what made it. And to this day, I think that's actually the best race I've ever ran in terms of like enjoyment, because I was so naive and really just stripping back running for what it was and just like getting outside and enjoying myself. What's your training look like at the moment? At the moment, I'm just upping mileage. I actually had two weeks off after I did an 100k and then like a 24-hour race with my friend and then some, like I did London Marathon and things.

18:32So hang on a second, you just did a 24-hour race? Yeah, I didn't really take it serious at all. I do want to give like either a 24-hour race or a backyard a proper good crack. And for those listening, a backyard ultra is, is it 7k every hour on the hour until you drop? Yeah, just under. 6.8 or something, is it? Something like that, yeah. In miles, it's 4.17. I don't know in miles for some weird reason. Yeah, on the hour, every hour. So I'd love to give a backyard a good go. But that's probably next year's endeavour. So a lot of the content that you create is quite positive. I'd say that you're probably known as a content creator that puts out a lot of positive things.

19:12I know that life hasn't always kind of been easy for you and that at times you struggled with food. Since becoming a runner, how has your relationship with food evolved? Yeah, so I had issues with food. I think growing up, I just always had a little bit of like, it was a bit unsettled when it came to food, like my relationship with food and feeling like bigger than other girls, even though I wasn't, it was just in my head. And then my granddad passed away as soon as pretty much lockdown started. And I just dealt with that horrendously. And because life was super out of control, like lockdown came when I was doing my GCSEs.

19:49So, I was like being thrown from one school to another, like from GCSE to sixth form. My granddad had died. Like I'd fallen out with like a lot of my friends. Like it was just a horrible era of life. And I tried to control what I could, like control the controllable supposedly. And that was food. So, I just massively restricted my food. I lost so much weight. But then it flipped and I started binge eating. So, it was just this big cycle of restricting and binge eating for quite a few years. just because I just had loads of unresolved stuff going on upstairs. And then it wasn't probably until 2023 that things sort of settled.

20:25How do you find fueling in races? Like, is it still, is it an ongoing problem that you have with food? Or do you feel like you're on top of it now? No, I'm pretty on top of it now. I think because now I literally view food, I know viewing food as fuel is so like commonly said, but it is so true. Like you really know when like running and trying to race, if you haven't eaten enough, you feel awful and your race performance is awful and it doesn't reflect how hard you've worked so now I quite literally like I will eat so much and it is so reflective in my times and like recently in this last like three or four weeks I've even like made a conscious effort to increase my food even more and I've got so much faster and I've got way more energy in my sessions and I can run for way longer and recover quicker so turning to running not necessarily turning to running but running being part of the reason why my relationship with food is so much better now has positively impacted the way that I view food in the sense of like, it just helps my performance.

21:23So mentally quietens any of that food noise. That makes sense. Who's your biggest inspiration at the moment? Probably, do you know who Sally McRae is? Yes. No, I don't actually. Oh my God. So she's a female, she's incredible, like female ultra runner. And she recently has come back from like a severe injury and operation. and then did TDS, which is one of the races out for UTMB week, and broke her poles, smashed her legs, and still completed the race, which obviously has an incredible amount of elevation. And do you know Rachel Entrican, the lady that won Coca-Dona? I have heard of her, I don't know.

22:00Yeah, she won Coca-Dona outright, beat the men, beat all the women, and set a new course record. She's also someone I find so inspiring because like she's just completely like smashing what anyone think is possible. Also, do you know Max Jolliffe? Is that who plants his last name? I wouldn't know. I don't know Max Jolliffe. Do you know Badwater? Yeah, yeah. So he just won Badwater at an insane, like he's running sub five minute Ks in like this crazy, crazy, crazy heat. So like it's a lot of ultra runners. Did he average sub five minute Ks for Badwater? I don't think he averaged it at the end, but at some stages he was running start-up five-minute Ks.

22:39And he was wearing, you know, the super shoes that Adidas invented for the 100K? He was wearing those at one point. Oh, the big bouncy ones? Yeah, the big bouncy ones, just like tearing up kilometres in Badwater. And that's 135 miles. And he set a complete new course record. And just watching the videos of him training, like heat training and things, the dedication, I just, I get so lit up and inspired seeing, that's one good thing about social media, seeing people's dedication and discipline. I think that like inspires training and inspires people, which is obviously a good thing. At the minute, you said that you're increasing your mileage.

23:09What does a kind of average week look like for you? I run usually six days a week, two speed sessions, two long runs, well, one longer, one more middle distance, and the rest easy. I was a sucker for an easy long run, especially when training for the ultras. I was like, I'd just rather do that longer, slower stuff. But now I've actually did a track night last night, and if you told Emily in May I was doing a track night, she wouldn't believe you. So I'm now doing like two speed sessions, one usually like a threshold session and the other one like intervals on a track or hill repeats or something.

23:42Just trying to balance that and upping my mileage and not getting injured. So just eating like a horse, essentially. What shoes do you use for your easy long runs? I use, so a lot of my runs are on like more like gravel, like trail. So I use the Salomon, I want to say they're the Salomon Aeroflow gravels. So like a really flat, honest shoe. because I've got quite fat feet. So I need a shoe that's like just honest and just not going to have too much cushion. Like a boaty type thing? Yeah. I prefer like something just a bit flatter, got a bit of grip, like otherwise I'm going to lose a toenail. So.

24:18Have you not lost a toenail yet? Oh, no. I've lost many a toenail. It's just, it's given, isn't it? Do you know what I mean? Actually, it's not a given. You shouldn't be doing that. You should. My kids are fascinated when my toenails fall out. Oh, really? Yeah. She, she loves it. What, just like looking at your toes? well they they fall out later right so you'll do some big Larry event and then like they go black and then they grow out and you know you know the score lovely to hear and yeah and then they kind of you know they come off but the but she loves it when they come off oh really why she's just fascinated yeah yeah fair enough it's very rare like I never like as a kid would be like oh my toenails are going to fall off but it's just a given with the sport though what do you wear when you want to go fast Oh my God, I don't know the name of them, but I have a pair of Salomons.

25:06They're the red and white ones. Mate, I reckon, like, did you race the marathon in those? Yeah, but they're very new carbons. Okay. So I work with Salomon, so she's wearing those. Other shoes are available. But Emily likes Salomon. I reckon... Trailrunner, so. Yeah, well, good to hear that they're carbons and stuff. Yeah, they were carbons. They're actual road-running carbons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was about to say, if you ran 304 in like trail shoes, you've got a whole chunk of time to save. No, no, no. I can't remember what the name, they literally, they're not long out. Like I can't remember the actual name of them.

25:42They were actually great. So we need to get you a 5K PB. Yeah. And then you need to FaceTime in and tell us about it. And tell you about it, yeah. Yeah.

25:57Sydney Marathon. last year, 3.53, 3.04 at the London Marathon. You said you didn't do anything crazy specific to get down to 3.04, which tells me that you must be quite naturally gifted. If you're running 3.04 without really paying much attention to it, I think there's loads left in the tank. To go to that next level, what are you incorporating into your training? Much of doing my speed sessions. I was such a sucker for skipping a speed session. like I just see it on the planet like I'll just take it easy like I just yeah I was I still do them but not very often and I wasn't giving it my full effort so like I've recently joined a running group and I actually am like looking at like I use my runner plan actually I stick to my speed sessions and actually do them so that and also eating more but eating more carbs because like I didn't realize how much I was under eating on my carbs and eating just way too much protein because I just like love a yoghurt bowl and so I love chicken so much.

26:56What kind of yoghurt do you like? Skier yoghurt. Skier. Or the Faye but 0%. Faye 5%. Why are you getting rid of the fat? The fat's a good bit. No, I kind of like mine a bit thicker and I feel like when it's fat it's like quite creamy. I like my yoghurt kind of like you can turn it upside down it doesn't fall out the bowl. Delighted as well that you said Faye. Oh really? Can't bear it when people call it Fage. Oh no, it's Faye. No, no, obviously we know these things but you know people do call it Fage. F-A-G-E and all, you know. Delicious, though. Packed full of protein. This is not an ad. No, but it's so good.

27:30But if FI-A felt like reaching out, there wouldn't be any complaints from my side. I mean, you do pronounce it correct. I've pronounced it correct. So you're already there. I consume it pretty much every day. Okay. I love it. Perfect candidate. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen. FI-A. We're in. We're in. FI-A untapped. We could do a FI-A untapped bowl. Oh, my God. That'd be unreal. Full of potential. Yeah. I think it's good no perfect yeah yeah no it is good I do so well and you train in the gym oh my god I love the gym what do you do everything I like I'm secretly a meathead at heart like I love like like loads of caffeine Linkin Park good gym session like oversight like I feel like one of those like like aggressive 60 year old dudes but realistically I'm just like a 22 year old girl I'm a matching pink set 60 year old dude Linkin Park yeah What are you talking about?

28:21Have you not seen? No, right, listen, I know everyone loves Linkin Park. Don't get me wrong. Love Linkin Park. I love Linkin Park as well. But you always see on social media being like, oh, there's divorced dads with their Linkin Park and their gritty fishing t-shirts. Do you know what I mean? Do you know the demographic I mean? Fishing t-shirts? Yes. No, no, no. No, do you know what I mean? I think I know who you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know one personally? It's gritty divorced dads who love Linkin Park and wear fishing t-shirts. Yes. Right. There's like a demographic for it and like a camo hat.

28:57Yeah, yeah. So are you just talking about like people who live on the outskirts of Chicago? Yeah, pretty much apparently. Like in the Ozarks, people who live in the Ozarks. Is the Ozarks a real thing? You know the show Ozarks? Yeah, yeah. I've again not watched it. I'm so sorry. Okay, sorry. Okay, we're going to stop talking about running for a second because I think there's a few things that you need to watch, all right? Yeah. so Ozarks yeah like you've got do you know who Jason Bateman is oh my goodness oh my god do you know who Jason Bateman is yeah okay I'm so sorry Jason Bateman is an extraordinarily talented like actor director he's well he's fucking cool okay and he he's in all kinds of stuff but he he kind of he does this show called Ozarks and you should watch it it's about money laundering for a Mexican drug cartel okay and it's amazing it's just full of like death and violence and people like like you're describing.

29:48Yeah, like fishermen who are divorced. Yeah. Who love Linkin Park. Bang on soundbite. And it's, I should know if Ozarks is a real place. It is a real place. It is a real place. Okay, good. Missouri. Missouri, indeed. Just near Chicago. Near Chicago. Indeed. But you should absolutely watch it. Breaking Bad, have you seen it? I've seen Breaking Bad, yeah. Okay. Are you just saying that? No, no, no, I have. I have. I know who Walter is. Like, I've watched Breaking Bad. Okay, fine. We can move on then. Yeah, exactly. Because had you not seen Breaking Bad, that would have been a problem. Breaking Bad is just sick.

30:23So good. Walter White. Gymming. Linkin Park. Caffeinated. Yeah, no, I love the gym so much. And I feel like that's one of the reasons why I was able to knock so much time off my races because I just didn't, I don't really touch wood. I don't really get injured because I love strength training so much. and I feel like there's such a, like in the running world, like a hatred towards lifting. Like everyone's like, oh, like they drag themselves to the gym. I love it. Like I have to sometimes sit there and hold my hand and say, you need to go do your speed session. You don't go destroy your legs. I'm surprised that you don't love a speed session.

31:02Having just met you, you strike me as somebody that would just love a speed session. No, I do really like it. I do like it now, but I would rather run like, I'd rather run like 60k in the forest than like tear it around a track. I think. I love a track session. Really? It was my first one last night. I have a really aggressive session to run this afternoon. Right. Thankfully, some mates are coming. Oh, okay. I'd bail on it. Oh, really? If I didn't have friends coming. It's four times 2k at 335 pace with 405 floats and then eight reps of 400s at like 320s. So you had me, like it was fine until you said the eight reps of 400s.

31:50Yeah, it's just, it's like, I think with 3K warmup, 3K cool, it'll be like a, I don't know, 16 or 17K, something like that. But with like plenty of quite aggressive, speedy stuff. Not at a track either because the fucking bus seat track is closed. Oh no. Yeah, nightmare. so just like in the park Linkin Park though Linkin Park put that on a bit of Linkin Park ACDC like a bit of like do you want to know what might help you enjoy a speed session and it's really counterintuitive but it really helps me right James Blunt why? why? do you know who that is are you too young? no isn't James Blunt like quite like sombre exactly yes but it actually goes quite like it's it's relaxing and it's quite like it's quite emotional and so like do you not just cry?

32:39I I have teared up right listening to James Blunt before so you're tearing up like absolutely tearing it around on track I won't cry at the birth of my children but I will cry running to James Blunt right yeah yeah or like at some specific points in the Lion King that can also get me okay but the the James Blunt thing is is quite like I noticed I think a lower heart rate in my data yeah when I'm listening to James Blunt yeah and running fast I think my heart rate is better. I can see that. But I'd probably do more like Frank Sinatra. So it's a bit more, I feel like a main character and it's a little bit more uplifting.

33:13Still very sombre, but a bit more like passionate. Same mistakes. Same mistakes. Is a James Blunt song. Oh, is it sad? It is. I don't know if I can listen to it. I think I'd start welling up. It's good though. Oh really? I'll try it next week. Bit of a genius, I think, James Blunt. Oh really? Just a hot take. What do you actually listen to when you run then? Is it mainly just sad music? No, not always. No, so it's a difference. And as well, Coach Bennett and I were talking about running. And often I listen to quite aggressive, like, rap. Right. Or like, well, I say aggressive rap, just like Eminem and Kanye West, Jay-Z, whatever.

33:51And find that it's quite helpful. But also it can make for quite an intense experience. Whereas if you do the faster stuff with like a James Blunt, it doesn't feel right, but it is. But it is. Yeah, it's good. Maybe I'll try that next week. It's like, because when I race like a 5k or 10k or whatever, I listen to really like, just so that you're like overly into it. It can be quite an exhausting experience. Emotionally exhausting. My heart rate on the start line of like the last park run that I did was 140. So I've never, 140? Yeah, yeah, stood still. So like ready to go. Just like proper like approaching zone three, stood still.

34:34what yeah yeah my zone 3 starts at like 150 oh obviously it was just a spike because I was just so excited like full of caffeine and gels and whatever else you know I've never actually done a park run maybe I'll do that oh it's fun really oh yeah park run's great I mean I've only I say park run's great I've done three park runs in my life oh okay right but it's I've raced two of them oh really and people they're literally in the comments and stuff like park run's like not for racing like race it if you want to race it don't if you don't whatever yeah who cares Yeah, he gives a shit. Anyway, so I raced the last park run that I did with a bunch of friends, and we really went for it.

35:10And it's a cool experience. It feels like a race, obviously. Yeah, that's exciting. There was 1 ,500 people doing it. Battersea Park, 9 a.m. Saturday morning. They do a park run there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. It's flat, it's fast, it's two small laps. I'm quite close to Bushy. Yeah. You know, Bushy Park, and loads of people say that one's good because it's like one of the OGs. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, maybe I should do that. OG stands for original gangster, yeah? Okay, that's not how I meant it. I meant it's original, not gangster. I'm not calling a park run gangster. I think Bushy Park is the original gangster of parks, I think.

35:43Isn't it? Did you find the decision to leave university to become a full-time runfluencer? A difficult decision. How would you describe yourself? If runfluencer's not the term, and I agree that, you know, these terms are a bit hit and miss. Like, how would you describe yourself professionally? Professionally is a strong word, but I would, I just say like, I'm a content creator, I think. And I make running content. So I guess that is like a run fluencer, if you will. But how did I find it? I found it pretty easy. Yeah, I hated uni. I went to Leeds for like seven, no, not even seven weeks. No, it was probably about that.

36:27I literally hated it. And I don't know whether it's because I just went to a uni that was just so not for me. What about it did you not like? Leeds is just very like, get on it. Do you know what I mean? And I'm just not get on it. Like I was getting up at like 6am to go to the gym. And my housemates were like coming home at 6am from a night out. And like, I didn't even go out in freshers week. I just like, I'm not about going out clubbing, partying. Like, it's not like I've become super zen since I've turned to running and fitness. like I just it's just never really been in me so I went to the wrong uni to start with I also didn't really like my course I enjoyed it as a hobby but not as a career so that was also another issue so it was just the right decision to leave I saw an Instagram reel the other day yeah of a couple of young people in a nightclub like and the whole joke was that the nightclub was full of like 30 something year olds and that they were like thinking it was really lame that you guys can keep the clubs you know we're we're over it no us 38 year olds yeah we don't want the club i don't want the club either though i just i there's like two reasons i'm so all or nothing like i don't think i could do it in moderation but i also yeah i hate the way the drinking makes me feel like i used to be like heavily impacted by the way it made me feel so i was just like i just sack it in and i have no interest in but that's not me stating people that do drink I think you can balance both and that's absolutely fine.

37:55I will still go out with my friends and socialise with them just with a glass of water or a lime and soda instead. Or a clean gin and tonic. That's my company. I've never, I don't even like the taste of like, I'm a bit of a child. I'd rather just have like, no. Just water. Just water, yeah. Just that's what makes me feel better. Just that. What makes me feel better. So I just don't vibe with the way that alcohol makes me feel. no that's a very gen z thing i think so yeah just not drink not drinking not smoking although they're trying to bring it back i think because we can be boring so what kind of person were you before running became a staple of your life i was more arty i was really academic and then just pulled that into them more so the gym and feeling strong and then turned to running and now running is my thing i'm strangling to death but i love it and it's been two years of just gripping it just like a nice relationship oh yeah really healthy relationship but with two hands it was the strangling it that I thought was an interesting part of the relationship I'm just super passionate about it so I feel like hugging is not enough I just grip onto things you know when you see a really cute animal you pet it really hard that's how I feel about running what do you think is the most overrated running trend?

39:16overrated for me would be carbon bladed shoes only because you would just see like people rocking up to like London run clubs for like a casual 5k in like full gear, like carbon plated shoes. Is that not hurting your foot? Like are you not going to get plantar fasciitis from that? Like are you doing every single run in a pair of carbons? So I would say that personally. I love like a full look though. Yeah, you can have the full look, but let's like take care of your shins. No, of course. I mean, obviously health and safety first. Yeah. But like, have you ever seen anyone like running in those kind of like zip up full, like a Lycra onesie?

39:59No. Oh, mate. A runsie? Yeah, like a puma. I love saying puma. The word puma is just great. I really, I actually can't get enough. Really? Of puma. Do you think it agitates people that you don't say puma? Firstly, I know that it will. Yeah. Which I love. Yeah. And also, like, I just think it's, Puma is one thing, but Puma. Puma. Puma. It was something else. Yeah. Yeah, I saw some dude in, like, a onesie short. It was like a, like, one of those swimsuits. Like a tri-suit. Yeah, tri-suit, but, like, full, like, quite colourful Puma suit. And I was just like, I think that could be a bit of me. No, to be fair, when I did, do you know what 99 lapses, the race that was in Germany?

40:45like a couple weeks ago. It was like an ultra. No, I don't know it. Every, so essentially it was like 1.2k. You run around and it's 1.2k in circle in an abandoned coal mine area actually. And every 15 minutes, the slowest person gets knocked out. This guy was absolutely tearing it in like full, like what you just said, like lycra, like shorts. And I was actually so vexed that he beat me because he, like, you know, when you just look at someone, you're like, oh, like he's who I want to be. He absolutely demolished me. Well, it could have been the Lycra. No, I think it was. And now I need to get one.

41:19He's influenced me to get one. There you go. When you talk about strength training, what should every runner be doing to get better? Calf raises. Calf raises. Stop skipping calves. What is that about? And also a lot of single leg work. I feel like a lot of people just go into the gym, do a squat, call it a day. But one of your legs is likely a lot weaker than the other. I'm not a physiotherapist. I'm not here to tell you what's what. But if you're running wonky, like you're eventually like the muscle imbalance is between the two legs is going to show and you're going to get injured. You're going to get like tendonitis or something.

41:53So please do your calf raises and train single leg, do single leg exercises. What does the future hold for you? So we've spoken about fast marathon time. Where do you see yourself? This sounds like an interview. Where do you see yourself? An interview question. Where do you see yourself in five years? Where do I see myself in five years? Yeah, what are you doing in five years' time? Five years' time, I'll be 27. I think I would love to have ran or be training for or have inside Moab 240. That's like my big, like, A race of my life. Like, I just really want to do Moab. I'd like to have ticked off a good few hundred milers and I'd like to be getting competitive with them, like really pushing the limits and going, hopefully taking off some of the big American ones.

42:44I'd like to have done an A200. Maybe it's not Moab, maybe it's Tahoe or something like that, or Cocodona. But yeah, just getting more competitive in the ultra space, essentially. That's my main focus, going further and obviously faster. Because with that in mind, I've realised obviously I need to get faster at a marathon in order to get faster at ultras. They sort of similarly go hand in hand. Nice. Well, I wish you all the best of luck. Thanks. We'll be keeping an eye on your efforts. Thanks. And when you smash your 245 and get signed into Moab, we shall get you back on. Thanks so much. Perfect.

43:21Thanks so much for coming in. Thank you for having me.

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