Harry Judd: From Rookie to Sub 3:10 Marathon & Best Running Shoes

0:06I always think to myself, if I put in as much effort in my drums as I did to running and gym, I'd probably be a bit better. Well, I think, you know, a lot of people know you as a very famous drummer from McFly, of course. You were on Strictly Come Dancing and soon you will be in High School Musical. This is true, yeah, yeah, yeah. which is great. So we look forward to seeing that. But what people perhaps know less about you is that you are a very disciplined and dedicated runner. Tell us a bit about your journey with running. So you shaved 10 minutes off your PB at the London Marathon. Yeah. I saw you at the finish line.

0:45Yeah, you did. I did. Congratulations on your 304. 300004. 300004. Yes. Really close, man, to that sub three. Well, I've done... It's like, the amount... It's so funny. We spoke about it straight away. I was like, oh, I'm going to have fun with this. It's so funny, though. The amount of people that are like, oh, you just missed it. I was like, just missed what? What? I've done it. Oh, yeah, I took 57 in Tokyo. I know, but this is the thing with London. And this thing with running, you find yourself constantly over-explaining yourself. I'm like, I know you had, but you're now going to have to tell everyone.

1:21You're going to get a flood of messages. And you can't win, because when you start then going, oh, no, no, but I got a sub... you then look a bit like, I know, you know, I, yeah. So you said immediately to me, I'll shave 10 minutes off my time. I only shave five minutes because I ran 310 in Amsterdam in 2024. And, and then I did London after that. So having done 310 in Amsterdam, I was like, right, London next year, going to kick on, going to go for that sub three goal, you know, had a pretty good block, train really hard. And then did London and like the heat was insane. And I remember seeing you at the, at the start and you completely psyched me out.

1:59Like I was telling my mates, I'm like, I'm fucking blaming Spencer, right? We were in the start place and he's like hopping around, jumping around, bringing the vibes, like so happy and positive. And I'm just in the corner like, oh, it's really hot, man. I'm not sure if today's the day for sub three. And you're like, no, mate, sub three. Where's the sub three crew? And like Joel Domit was there and Joel was like really positive as well. And he was like, yeah, it'll be fine, mate. We'll go for it. And he ended up in an ambulance. I know, right? And you were like buzzing and I was like, oh God, Spencer's psyching me out.

2:29I was like... How can positivity psych you out? No, because I was like, it's so hot. It's like going to be 23, 24 degrees. Psyching you out, by the way, would have been, oh, it's hot today. No, I know, I know. True, true, true. But I kind of made the decision, I don't think I'm going to go for this because the marathon had sent the email saying today's not the day for PBs and I'd looked back on a run I'd done in the summer when it was like 22 degrees and I completely bonked at like 20k. Bonking sucks, doesn't it? Oh, man. Shall we quickly talk? I mean, our listeners, I believe our listeners are like dialed in, finely tuned athletes, right?

3:04Yeah, of course they are. But just in case you're unfamiliar with what it means to bonk, and no, we're not talking about having sex, right? In the middle of a marathon. Yeah, exactly. Mid-marrow. Mid-marrow bonk. A mid-marrow bonk. Tell the listener what you mean by bonking. So basically, you may have heard of it, it was also hitting the wall, right? So you literally like running into that wall and then everything is just gone from you. You basically can't move. And it happens very quickly. And fortunately for me, it's only ever happened really like on training runs. And I mean, it kind of happened last year in 2025, but I didn't Joel Domitbonk.

3:46That was going for sub three and taking six hours. I shouldn't laugh, he was in an ambulance. But I got about halfway. I got over Tower Bridge and I saw my family and I was just going like, oh. And then at like 27K, I saw Joel, who was gray and was just like running like that. Didn't know where he was. I did see him T-Rexing a bit as well, actually. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, that's a full on bong. And so I, so then I, and I managed to keep running. Suddenly, suddenly for me, it was like, the challenge was like, don't walk. and I was feeling that at 23k and I was like this is just awful so then my point being going back to the thing everyone focuses on London so then when I did came in at 3.15 everyone's like 3.15 and like you know I'm a loser I google my marathon time it's like 3.15 I'm like how can I meet someone at google it's 3.10 I got 3.10 and so when I ran London this year and I got 3.05 yeah it was a five minute pb okay there we go and and and how do you intend to go sub three what changes are you going to make to your routines so i think the big problem for me this year was so last year here's when you hear my excuses so last year we were on tour had like a bad neck injury i didn't run for like a few months and then in december i started running again and i just got to you know up the volume straight away because i was getting you know all that stuff in the algorithm it's all about volume you've got to up your volume so I kind of got into the block and was got myself up to about 85k a week which for me was that's like a first I'd got to that level the year before I was around 60 to 70 maximum and about four or five weeks into the block I just like my body just was like nah mate too much got calf problems soleus problems and then basically I had 10 weeks of London training where I was running twice a week because that's all I could manage so this you've actually you've done really well to be honest like like that's that's a good time considering yeah all things considered and by the way it's not excuses it's the truth it's the truth I know but it is that thing you see everyone's post marathon like Instagram and it's like you know not the race I wanted you know we go again and and stuff and there was always the caveats but so this time to answer your question I have to get in and do a bit of strength because I just think and just ease my way up with the volume you know i think it's hard because i'm so competitive and so want to achieve these goals that i kind of see what people are doing out there and i'm like i need to do this i'm going to do that i've got to work harder you know that voice in my mind when i'm when i'm like training of keep pushing keep pushing and i the problem i have is i often push too far to what i'm actually capable of and so i need to be patient um and i need to do some strength turning basically In a world where AI is changing every role in every industry, knowing who actually has deep expertise matters more than ever.

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8:55You've developed a bit of a relationship with Hugo Frey. Yep. Who is a friend of the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw he was on, yeah. Yeah, we had a coffee actually a little while ago. He's very kind with his time, isn't he? He met me for a coffee and gave me some advice and then obviously he came on the show. I've got loads of questions about that. Did you run a 1758 5K with him? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good going, man. So I met him at the running show in Birmingham and I'd been following him on Instagram. He's, you know, there's a lot of run, they call them run-fluencers now or like, you know, running influencers and he's just like a bit different.

9:30He's very funny and just very engaging to follow. Well, he's also an excellent runner. Amazing runner, yeah. And so we started chatting and just got on really well. And I was like, mate, I'm going to go for 5K PB on the weekend. Can you come and pace me? He's like, yeah, sure, man. And so I was going for sub 18, Battersea Park run. And he again got to the front. I was like, right, mate, what's the plan? We're at the start line. I'm like, are we going to just ease our way? He's like, no, mate, fucking all guns blazing. Let's go. No, mate. Yeah, I know. Literally, I was like, oh, God. And, you know, it's just, it's inspiring, but it's also slightly depressing that my max effort on a 5K, you know, I'm like, what's this, 335 splits or something.

10:15He's just in front of me just chatting. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just chatting. He's like rocking a 150 heart rate. I'm just blowing out my ass. But, yeah, he got me over the line for a 758. so I was happy with that, yeah. 1758. Sorry, 1758. I was about to say, that's Olympic gold. Have you gone a 5k PB? Have you gone for one? Gone all out? It's been a really long time. I'm frightened of the 5k. I don't love it as a distance. It's awful. I've not cracked 18. I've done 1806, I think. Now, were I to give it a go today? No, I'm just joking. but we're going to be doing a series of 5Ks and 10Ks and stuff with races with Scully.

11:01Okay. Yeah, I would quietly, you know, want to run a 1730 or something. Yeah, yeah. Would be my goal, I think. You know, but I wouldn't get that the first time around. That's a 330 split average. I wouldn't, I don't think I'd have that in the locker. Also, I always come out too hot on the 5K, always. So I came out running 320s the last time I tried. And by the end, you're just not happy at all. And isn't it crazy how every time... I actually can't control it. It's not possible. No. Do you know, London this year is the first time ever, and because I'd had these injuries, I was like, sub three's not going to happen today, let's try and get PB, sneak under 310, see what happens.

11:40So I was like, start at 4.30s, just make... And I'd been having a chat with myself for like a fortnight, 4.30s, 4.30s. You know, you're running for like three minutes at the start of the marathon. I look down, I'm like, 4.11. I'm like, for fuck's sake. Like, it's impossible. and the 5k is the same thing like you just it's so hard to judge it but yeah it's an absolutely disgusting distance do you ever run on treadmill? never no neither do I've run a much faster 5k on a treadmill I don't count that though I think it's kind of cheating like when the thing is running for you I'm assuming that's not fair no it's not it doesn't count and I find it absolutely tedious and just can't do it I ran a 17.35 or something on a treadmill but again like when you're like a bit shagged yeah you can kind of cling on yeah because it is moving at the pace for you and all the park runs or the the 5k like distances there's always corners and turns and it's it's harder it's going to slow you down so yeah the treadmill i'm afraid mate it doesn't doesn't count no no i wasn't i was just i was just making sure to mention it you know but it's not i also believe well i'll enjoy the fact that's the jamie lang special okay right so jamie my my pal jamie like is is is on he runs 5k on a treadmill all the time and he's like constantly saying like oh yeah i run like a 19 you know i run a sub 25k and i'm like are you doing it outside or are you doing it on the treadmill it's like that doesn't count doesn't count mate doesn't count but i will enjoy the fact that i've got a 5k faster 5k than you for the time that it it happens listen we all let me know when it happens i'll be sure to text you tomorrow yeah no it's great he's he's very cool you kind of don't want to disappoint him like i like that element of having someone helping you as well because you don't want to waste their time same thing and i i go through that process most weeks on sessions i look at the sessions he's set me and i'm just like oh fucking hell like i just can't for this i just can't face this and you start you like you said the first rep and you're like this is awful and then for the back of that I'm often just like, I can't believe we just did that.

13:47That was awesome. And I mean, I, you know, like yourself, have massively got into running. I used to like go to the gym a lot. I've always like loved exercise, played a lot of sport when I was growing up and then obviously joined the band and then started going to the gym and then got into running. And of all the things I've been into over the years, from like drumming to golf to cricket, to like all the things, like running is definitely the most boring, but it's the one that I've been doing for the longest. like it's so like weird the relationship running i just don't know what it is it's just like it's the patience the process and like the the satisfaction like the fact you just go out and you do this thing generally in the morning that is really fucking hard yeah and it just fills you with with kind of i don't know for me like sense of achievement even on the grayest of days you know What I really love about it, and Stephen puts it really well, not to only talk about Scully and Fry and people, but they're great runners, so it's lovely to listen to them.

14:49Whenever you hear anyone who's harnessed a particular skill, I love learning from them, particularly if it's in an area that we're interested in. He describes it as the quiet satisfaction of slowly chipping away at a goal and just getting better and not being able to spend it. you know like it's just it's kind of and also what i think and it's very slowly chipping away like because particularly with a marathon you you invest so much time and the marathon as you can see people who ran it or interested would have seen from london like the amount of people that have bad days and you've invested so much time into that to then for it to all go wrong but you almost you almost can't run a marathon without parts of it being bad yeah like like i'm not sure I've ever had like a completely clean marathon experience.

15:37Tokyo is probably the closest thing to that. Like 36k of it, to be honest, was kind of bliss. Right. On pace, perfect splits. And then with my boys, last six and a half K, bit of a grind, but like not too bad. Yeah, I've done like seven and I've only, I don't think I've ever enjoyed one. Like it's not fun. It's awful. what I enjoy is afterwards like when I saw you and I was just like hey man I was like that was awesome but for like three hours and five minutes I'm just like this sucks and also like well you don't enjoy it at all people say like oh you gotta do the marathon it's amazing what's the atmosphere like I'm like I'm not really like don't get me wrong like there are moments where I get the hairs on the back of my neck and I'm screaming but I'm just like so sort of focused on just like, what's the heart rate doing?

16:29Okay, keep it steady. And also because, you know, I get to like, one point like 28k and I had like a real, like, oh God, oh God, oh God, I feel awful. You know, I've still got 14k, like this could, I could fall off a cliff here. But then you pass through that moment and then you're okay. And you don't, like, don't get me wrong. I wouldn't do it if I didn't love it. Like, I keep going back for more. I've booked another one for October. Like, you know, I'm inspired. No, Cologne, mate. It's quite niche. Cologne. Quite niche, yeah. Because I got a high school musical in October and I'm like, shit, I need an autumn marathon.

17:04And me and my mate were looking and we're like, Cologne's the only option. Let's go to Cologne. That sounds fab, doesn't it? So yeah, like, have you had that experience though where you're like having a shocker in a marathon and because people know you and recognise you and they're like, go on, Spencer, keep going, nearly there. And like, I'm grateful for the people cheering, but I also am like, shut up. Like, I'm dying. Like, I am dying. I need music in a marathon. So what I've done... Yeah, I know. I ran next to you in London and you fucking had your AirPods on and you were like singing along.

17:38And I was like, this guy, like, he's on a different planet. I'm there just like, I can't have headphones. And so it was funny because there was a guy who ran next to you and the guy was like, Spencer. And you just like couldn't hear him. He was like, Spencer. And I was just behind. and you were like, go on here, mate, I've got music on. Yeah, fair play, he is focused. You're dialed in, mate. Yeah. There's a great running playlist that I listen to when I run marathons specifically and it's pretty good. I'll send it to you because it is vibey. I listened to it this morning with Scully as well because I didn't feel like the session, as I said.

18:11I only listen to music at like about 32k. Do you ever listen to yourself? No, never. No. Ever? Ever? No, no, no, no. No. So you'd never put your own music on? I might. Do you know what I would put on? I would put on, like, new songs that we're working on. So we're, like, working on new songs now. So I'm loving them. They're new. It's exciting. So I put them on the playlist. Like, I'm listening to them in the car at the moment, like, demos. I'm like, I love this new song. And we're in the studio. But, you know, like, after two, three years of hearing them over, playing them live, you know, it's, you kind of, I mean, you love always playing them to an audience, but in terms of listening to them yourself.

18:47you know like i'm not rocking out all about you at 32k in a marathon it's not the song that's gonna get me going you know what i mean like i love that song and like i've like you know relationship with all these songs but obviously it's not the song that's gonna get you through that kind of hole you know what is so what's your what's your like mainline adrenaline tune mine's like noughties like emo like rock music like you know i mean that's great i have like like Charlie Simpson's other band, like Fight Star, I like a lot of Fight Star. On my marathon, so I get to like 32K and it happened in Amsterdam in London this year that I was struggling a bit and I was feeling quite like sort of emotional and ready to feel like that power of music and so like I'm fiddling about with my AirPods I'm like trying to find them and that's a fucking nightmare.

19:39And I get them on, hold on to the playlist, you know. And I realised I hadn't put the players at the top so I'm swiping along, checking the pace heart rate spikes yeah literally and like I had some weird choices on my playlist so I was having to skip a few I had like Defying Gravity on the wicket I was like what was I thinking I don't want to listen to that so I had Feudal for Friend I had Sleep Token Fight Star so I listened to about three or four songs that kind of pulled me through about three or four K and then I needed them out again because I don't know just different so just that little block for me music so yeah what do you think about running influencers that set unrealistic goals, don't hit them, and then kind of don't mention it?

20:22It sounds like you're describing me. No, this is the fear of running London. I'm like, what if I don't get a good time? Do you know what? Have you seen that Instagram account, the official Marathon Integrity Unit? I tagged them. Did you? I tagged them whenever I run a marathon just so that they can officially approve my time. Officially approve your time, yeah. Straight away, just so that there's no question that I'm, you know, fudging stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, I was talking to my mate about this this morning on a run. And it's a bit like, I have to resist the temptation of doing this.

20:52It's a bit like when you discover a band that no one knows and they're a really cool band. And then they become really popular and you're like, oh, so lame. I was into this band like five years ago. Because I really got into running like five years ago when it wasn't like this massive thing on social media. And now suddenly you're getting these, you know, influencers who are like talking about it. and people that were into strength are getting into running and like posting. And actually like, I just need to remind myself, don't be a dick. Like people are running, they're loving it. They might be inspiring a few people.

21:23But I think the biggest crime, the only issue I have is that when influencers post their star for time, not their chip time. And so this official marathon integrity unit page, I'm loving it. I'm like, oh, he's claimed a sub three, but he got a three ten. You know, that... Also, the caveat to that is... He's claiming sub three, but he got a 3.10. I know. Now, don't get me wrong. I've seen a few occasions where people then pile on these people too hard. And I don't like seeing that because that's not nice. And some people genuinely don't know the whole you have to post your chip time, not your drive time.

22:03But there was a guy recently who... He was claiming a 3.01, right? But he actually ran a 3.11. And he did this whole thing where he wrote 2.61 on his shoe and posted his Strava time. And also he'd stopped his watch. In the marathon, they stopped their watch. 2.61? Yeah, as if he'd written at the beginning as if I'm going to be writing 2.59, but he wrote 2.60, you know? And he'd stopped his watch at 42K exactly. What? I know. And then... Mid-ray, like in the race. Yeah, because he's like, oh, that's a marathon, 42K. Stop, great, 301. But ran for another 10 minutes, and it's like... No, no, no. Yeah, I know.

22:46That's barbaric behaviour. It is. So there are a few of the running influence out there that need to just, like, understand, you know. But, look, apart from that, I'm enjoying it, like... It is. I have to say, like, not defending the chip time versus Strava time thing, but there is a like slight degree of frustration that like every marathon that i run i probably run an extra 500 meters yeah yeah at the very least right because we're not running the racing line right we're running am i gonna have to get the integrity unit on you again they're they're aware of all of this you know no no i'm just i'm just saying you know were we to go and run a marathon together in battersea park we would run 42.2 we we would be running 250 or whatever like all day long, right?

23:31Because you're, well, I'm already running 250 or something. I'm sure you'd be there as well, yeah. But you know what I mean? It would be unquestionably faster. I suppose, no, because you wouldn't have like the race day vibe in the adrenaline. Exactly. So maybe there's a bit of give and take, but you are running more than a marathon. Whenever you run a marathon, you're running more than a marathon. But that's why, you know, experienced runners will say if you're going for a sub three, you think the split is 415, 416. Oh, it's 411, 412. Yes, because you're going to be running further. so but anyway you know so ultimately like I'm enjoying this the run space on Instagram that's my only thing with people posting this all the time but you know like you saying you went to Battersea Park you know it's crazy it's like I went I go to Battersea Park you know maybe once a month and run my long runs there and they're like running celebrities there now you know and you see people and they're like oh that's Hugo Fry and they're so and so and you know like it is it is the place to be for running it is and it's a vibe like I think I saw Rose Harvey this morning Rose Harvey yeah I saw her a lot on my blog.

24:29Becky Briggs is always flying around. Flying around. Absolutely flying, yeah. She's a real little, like, she's a whippet. Mate, it's crazy. We must get Becky Briggs in here. She's coming. Ah, fabulous. Becky Briggs is coming on. She's rapid. She's always just, like, hammering, like, speed work. Every time I'm there. Every single time I go running, she runs past me at, like, three tens. And do you find it inspiring or depressing? I like it. Spencer doesn't know what speed work is, as we found out. No, no, I do, actually. Thank you, Simon. I do know what speed work is now, actually. but I used to get my speed work and tempo sessions confused I would just call the tempo sessions speed okay it's not speed when you host a running podcast yeah I know I know but you know the order's been restored actually do you ever do your easy runs and like have people run past you and want to shout to them I'm just warming up just FYI so heart rate's 140 in a world where AI is changing every role in every industry knowing who actually has deep expertise matters more than ever.

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27:59What is the name of that very funny Australian guy, the larger gentleman who runs quite fast paces? Oh, I know the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he calls people out and he says, he's actually very amusing and entertaining. He's a great big thing. He weighs like 110 kilos. Yeah, I think I've... And he runs like a 19-minute 5K or maybe even potentially a bit faster. He's always in Bassey Park, right? Always in Bassey Park. Like every time I'm running, he's there, right? He's shouting at me. What's he shouting? Oh, he just shouts at me. Like, yeah, yeah. So every day... Encouragement? Yeah, yeah, no, no.

28:31We high-five each other and stuff like all the time. But like, yeah, he'll be going like, come on, mate, like, speed up, you know? and uh and uh and the other day the other day i did what to me was a very fast session and then and then i hadn't seen him at all and i was thinking in the back of my mind i hope i run into that dude because i'm fucking flying right and then like and then literally like finish the last speed lap amazing session yeah cool down lap as i'm running like if i and he comes out the woodwork he's like he's like come on mate what are you doing i was like i'm cooling down I'm calling down, man.

29:03I'm calling down, actually. Bugger off. Yeah, man. No, it is really inspiring. And I think like, it's a bit like how, you know, high rocks athletes get so much shit. And I understand it. What do you mean? Just for being high rocks athletes. Yeah, and I'm like, if I was in my 20s and high rocks was a thing, I would have absolutely loved it. Like I would have been all over that. And like people love - How old are you now? 40. why what's wrong with irox at 40 no no nothing i'm just my body's a bit broken from like like gym in my 20s and 30s like whenever i go back to like lifting weights i'm just like like my neck and everything so running's like the only thing that doesn't hurt like literally mate i after marathon i was like right i need to get in some sort of shape because like my bandmates are all well not all of them but like dougie's in great shape and danny they go to the gym a lot they hate running and so i was always like that was my thing so like you know dougie just like is awesome like looks incredible great bass player like funny dude everyone loves dougie danny's front man great i love dougie yeah who doesn't right and then danny front man great singer what a guy tom what genius writes all the songs you know i'm the dude on the drums and i like my thing was like oh i got into shape and i was like oh yeah you're in good shape so that was like my thing um the only thing I had to offer and then I got into running and now I'm a bit like leaner and skinny and Dougie's so we're about to do a run of summer shows I'm like I better do some push-ups and like pull-ups and stuff so now the marathon's over I did like some push-ups pull-ups in the garden and literally for a week I'm like fuck like in so much pain so no my point being that like people give high rocks athletes or people that are just into high rocks so much shit and they give people that are getting into running so much shit because they like to post about it online but that's just the world we live in now And I think anyone doing something positive in their life should be celebrated.

30:57And, you know, I think it's just great that it has become such a craze because it's encouraging people to do cool shit that's good for you. I agree. Yeah. And then it also means when I'm feeling vibey after a run and I feel like posting about it, I'm not, like, cringing too hard at myself, you know. It's a nice positive thing in life generally, running, right? So it's kind of, it gives you quite a lot. Yeah. Like, particularly if you're disciplined with it. Like, for me, it's a refreshing sport because when I give myself to it, I genuinely think I'm just a better person. Like, I'm more... I'm definitely a better person.

31:35I'm definitely a more boring person. Yeah, of course, but who cares? Like, we don't need to be exciting people as well. Do you know what I mean? No, but if you speak to a running mate, you're like, it's fascinating. I could talk to you about splits and heart rates all day, but try going to the studio and they're like, hey mate what have you been up to? I'm like I so want to tell them about my run but I know they're not fucking interested they're on their motorbikes and music and I'm like I'm so delighted right that I now have this like hub of mates who run right so like I'm you know I'll be taking your number I've got you know Fry's number like a bunch of people that I know who run so I can always fire off sessions into groups I have groups all about running with runners so like I'm a real nerd with it now as well and I love it and all of these people are as well I used to come back when I only had Vogue and like I'd be like check out this session and she'd be like what am I looking at and I'd just be like well that is Izzy doesn't ask me anymore she'd be like good run good run great she literally would say like oh babe I don't really care I'd say well that's disappointing because because I really care I really care I really care way too much mate I don't just you don't just debrief I need to run it you don't just debrief your marathons You debrief your fucking easy runs.

32:50It's everything. Like everything. Like I have like this one, a few, like a group of running mates, but one guy that lives around the corner from me and we run most days together. And like our level of like tedious conversations is insane. Like it's, but one of the people that I run the most with in my life is a guy called Sam Hart. And he, after the 30 in 30 in the desert, he literally just ran up to me in the park to say congratulations. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, mate, join me on the last lap. And we just had a chat. Swap numbers. We run four times a week together. He's a 25-year-old kid.

33:27He's just full of energy. He loves running. I didn't know him before. I only have ever seen him running. Really? Yeah, yeah. He came to my wife's 40th, actually, because I'm right with him and his girlfriend. And you don't want to talk about that. But we've never gone for a meal together, ever. We just run, right? We're just running buddies. Yeah, yeah. But he's brilliant. I've got him on Whoop. I've got him in 262. He's a little, he's a little, he's a fast runner. Yeah, yeah, he loves it. What are your favorite shoes? We ask everyone about shoes. We like a running shoe. Let's go for, say, you're racing a 5K, you're racing a marathon and your recovery shoe.

34:08So I'm a little bit like of a novice when it comes to shoes. I need to up my game slightly. So the last two blocks, I've just been alternating between two shoes. Hang on a sec, just quickly, what reasons do you have for being a novice? Because I'm just, you know what, I'm not like very good with like tech. So for example, drumming, like I love to play the drums, but when it comes to drum tech, I don't know shit. Like, you know, I will meet drummers that'll be like, hey man, what kit are you playing at the moment? Like, what's your kit made of? I'm like, wood, I don't fucking know. Like, you know, like when it comes to tuning drums, I'm a bit like, have to use an app to tune.

34:43like I so tech like a lot of drummers are the guys that have the run the laptop and have all the track and the click track and stuff I'm just like like and so same thing with running like the tech I'm just spins me out slightly I can cope with my Garmin and my heart rate strap but only just started really using the heart rate monitor Polar 10? What what? Is it a Polar? No it's not the Garmin it's the Garmin Garmin yeah it's the Garmin and so with the shoes it's like I kind of find it's all a bit overwhelming so I use the New Balance 1080s and the new Balance Elites, their carbon shoes. But I need to get their Tempo shoe because I shouldn't be using the carbons on every fast session.

35:22But I've tried some different carbons. I just found the new Balance just really comfortable and just suit my running style. And I just tried them like two years ago and I've just never looked back. And they came out with a new pair like all these brands do. And their new one this year, I found even more comfortable last year. So basically just two shoes, the 1080s and the i think they're the sc elites i think have you got any of them up here but obviously these guys are slightly tempting now ever since the marathon world record but yeah yeah that's not them that's that's that's just the pro four but yeah i'm trying uh well quite violently actually to get my hands on a pair of those 450 quid yeah speed beasts that's the thing that you end up spending some insane money i honestly yeah i'm a total sucker for it i'll buy any like any tech if i get a guest in here and they're just like this is the best shoe yeah it's ordered before they can leave like it's yeah yeah so i've just stuck to my new balance and yeah man like this was the first marathon i ran where i was actually like checking my heart rate and knowing what that heart rate meant before i just run on feel and that actually really helped the polar thing well scully is mad at the moment for for heart rate training so we'll we'll push like to heart rate not to pace at the moment he'll set like pace parameters but he'll be like you know if you're running the session that i've laid out for you and your heart rate is 158 like push it to 164 like i want you holding a 164 so maybe my paces are off yeah so like we're doing a lot of work to 164 at the moment i don't know why so do you know what my coach chris thompson has got me doing a lot which just completely spun me out to begin with and i'm starting to get to grip with is this run to feel.

37:05So he'll be like, you know, in a long run, it's like 5K warm up. And then I want you to do 10K around, 415, 420, then 5K or like 3K slow. And then I want you to do 15K to feel. And I'm like, okay, what does that mean? He's like, just to feel. I'm like, like how fast though? What are we talking to splits? He's like, no, no, just to feel. So the point being that, you know, you are just running and listening to your body. And also the other thing is, doesn't let me look at my watch. yeah so i'm there running around the river just like no i just have to stop myself like i'm like i so want to look so because what is amazing is you then get to the end of that run i remember one of the last sessions before london was 75 minutes to feel at the end of a long run 75 minutes to feel at the end of a long at the end of a long like so we did like a bit of a warm-up a bit of speed work then a then a bit of slow stuff and then it was like right 75 minutes to feel and i looked at the splits afterwards and i was like running like 405s yeah and you think i'm thinking this is about 415 i reckon yeah yeah because you're going to feel and how you're feeling that day i'm like oh man mate if you're running 75 minutes at 405 at the end of a sesh you are in good well we'll get there we'll get there like you say you have to chip away very slowly and and sort these chicken legs out and make sure they don't fail me for for cologne 26 mate Cologne mate Cologne 26 the new Valencia yeah that's why I'm selling it that's why I'm I'm aiming for Valencia at the end of the year Sam Brown owes me a spot for that okay having come on here and unslaughtered me I saw that that was so good but also like I felt I felt slightly outed as well because people are like oh Harry it's inspiring you like train so hard and you got a family and I'm like yeah but like when we rehearse or go to the studio, like, we kind of rock up like 11.

38:58So I drop the kids up at 8.30 at school, and I've got like two and a half hours to do my running. And on tour, you know, we sound check at like 4.30. So I've kind of got all day, and we're staying in nice hotels, and we've got a physio. And so, yeah, that guy, he fucked me over slightly as well. So, yeah, we are privileged and lucky, but you've still got to do the work, man. You've still got to do the work. Yeah. I mean, he actually gave me the idea of getting a coach. Yeah. You know, so, you know, he was like, you've got a coach as a nutritionist and everything else, man, all the time in the world.

39:34No, I don't. I was like, I actually don't have a coach or a nutritionist and I have two businesses that I run. Yeah, yeah. No, to be fair. And with the three kids, you know, there's a fair amount to manage. Well, good for you for posting that clip because… No, no. Well, I kind of, I know Sam, right? So I kind of knew that it was a bit of a Larry joke, but the amount of people that were like, Ha, yeah, fuck you! I was like, oh, wow, okay, people believe him. The thing is, people, huge respect. You know that accountant, I've forgotten his name, who ran like 212, and he was clocking over 200k a week, and he's an accountant from Monday to Friday.

40:13Hugo Fry. No, he's quit his job now. Oh, no, no. He's a full-time runner. Oh, you're talking about Anderson. Yeah, the fastest amateur. Anderson. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. So he was a school teacher. No, there's another one. There's another one. Have we got this guy coming in as well? Yeah, the guy, the accountant, isn't he, accountant, who runs to and from work. He's like, the difference to me is I can't get any strength training because I don't have time. And he's like, I do, I run to work, I run back from work, I do my sessions on the weekend and meal prep and all that. So those are the people.

40:42George Grassley. George Grassley. That's our guy. George Grassley. Okay. And then we've got Chris Anderson. Is that correct? I think it is Chris Anderson. I mean, Chris Anderson is like a school teacher. Yeah. Like he, does he teach like history or something? Yes. Yeah, I've seen the guy. Yeah, yeah. Something like that. My version of that. He ran a 2.11 or something. My version of that was, I do some breakfast radio sometimes. So I'm, you know, up at five. 2.17, I think he ran. Yeah, yeah, he's quick. He ran a 2.17. So my version of that is I breakfast radio like up at five and finish at 10. and then I run home from magic, you know.

41:18And that's like 12K and that makes me feel quite elite. I've got my little commuters bag on, you know. So, yeah, you still have to put in the work. 100%. Well, you know, I just, I think for me, prioritizing my health and well-being is really important. Yeah, of course. Like if I wanted to work 12 to 14 hour days every day with Clean Co and Untappd and other projects that we're doing, I could but choose to prioritize lifting weights and running as part of my workday I see it as um not not in addition I see it as firstly part of uh like a healthy happy life right like and I work for myself so obviously I can do that but it's kind of you've still got to do the work I mean look I'm totally the same as you I I've been kind of doing this since 2010 like I quit drinking and all that in like 2010 and and started off exercise but like came back into my life like I said I did a lot of school and then I had like five six years in the band of just chaos and totally unhealthy lifestyle and no fitness and then kind of rediscovered it and so yeah it's been like obviously gym for like 10 of those years and now running and it is a pillar like in my life that I need, you know, as much as social and other things and work, it's absolutely essential for me.

42:45Yeah, I don't function particularly well without it. So I feel you, mate, yeah. Yeah. I think it's really important. Yeah. It's certainly very important to me. I can't operate at any kind of level if I don't run and lift weights. Yeah. Like, and if I chose to ignore those elements of my life, everything would suffer. Yeah. like I would fall back into bad habits I reckon I would be a less present father I'd be less switched on I'd be less driven you know like it's a clarity thing for me definitely mate 100 % I've way preferred life you know particularly for me the lifestyle I have like on for example touring like way preferred touring as someone who's into running than someone that was like drinking a lot and doing other things and because you know you're just a better version of your self and and I would I now go into shows and go into sound checks and the whole sort of schedule of touring and I I love it I'm just happy and I'm fresh and I'm you know on form and I enjoy playing the drums more because I feel more clear and awake and and so yeah it's it's definitely for me been a huge like transformation in my life how have you managed the drinking um I quit drinking it's like 15 years ago now um so i was 25 it's obviously become more of a thing now lots of people are now doing it which is which is great um but when i stopped it was almost a bit taboo it was like something i didn't really talk to people about that i didn't people that i didn't know so like say if i'd met you in your 20s i'm like we get on you know and if i'd just quit and you'd be like oh mate let's go for beer let's go to the pub it was like a difficult thing to explain like if i'd said to you oh i don't actually drink you'd be like probably you'd have been like like i would have been like really why not like what's this guy's deal you know yeah um whereas now it's kind of celebrated more um but yeah i think just for me it was just an absolute necessity and and was yeah very very much like a positive thing and i mean i've missed certain elements of it i think um one thing is like like an ego thing you know when you drink and you hang out with people and And you kind of, you think in the moment that you're like a more exciting version of your sober self.

45:01And, you know, the whole making friends and just having experiences and stuff. There are times where it's been like, oh, am I missing out? You know, and I'd say apart from that, it's been, it's been, yeah, pretty epic, man. It's been pretty good for me. Is there anything that you do specifically to make sure that you don't slip? I don't feel like I would ever slip. Like for me, it was very much more of a sort of like mental health, anxiety driven decision. I wouldn't say like I had a alcohol dependency. I definitely drank too much like binge drinking or what have you. But it wasn't so much the, yeah, it was more the knock on effects that it was having on my kind of mental health.

45:45And so actually, yeah, I've not, thankfully, I found it just a positive experience. You described a moment where you said you could have reached for a pack of cigarettes or your trainers and you chose your trainers. How important was that small decision in the grand scheme of things? That was honestly like I talk about that because it was just a huge moment for me. Like I was still a smoker. I was kind of just getting into running. I was very much into the gym, into my health and fitness. But that was the one thing I still my one vice I still had. And it's a hard thing to explain. and I don't know if you can articulate it better than me, but like whether it's drinking or smoking, even though you know it's bad, there's something about you that wants to have that rebel inside of you to do the thing that you shouldn't do.

46:29And also obviously it's like highly addictive and a really difficult thing to confront. And I think I had about two years of building up to wanting to quit. I quit drinking and I just announced to my family, I'm going to run the marathon and I'm going to quit smoking. I was running for Teenage Cancer Trust, So I felt like an absolute fraud that I was trying to raise money for this charity and that I was then off the corner smoking a cigarette and hadn't started training yet. It was January the 1st. And I was just like, you're an absolute fraud, mate. And I just flicked this cigarette out at 4 a.m.

47:04on New Year's Eve and went home, was all like, I'm going to quit smoking. My parents were really happy and got to like 4 in the afternoon on the 1st of January and I was like, fuck. I massively regret that. And my brother, like my brother who was still smoking at the time, like it was just like rolling up a cigarette again. And I was like, oh, God. And I was like, well, I better go for a run. And I went for like this two and a half mile run and it was dark and cold and my lungs were like burning. And I was like, oh, my God, this is awful. And I got back and I suddenly had this like dopamine spike that I'd never really had before.

47:40Well, I had it a bit in the gym lifting. I was like, okay. and that was like so the first two three weeks of quitting smoking was like go for a run go for a run and it kind of got me through it so that that was massive and um yeah so that was like the first real positive experience of of running because i ran the marathon in 2008 not knowing what the hell i was doing and i was still smoking and and what have you so yeah that was pretty cool for me i've got a friend who ran london just now his first marathon he's a big smoker yeah uh and and I met up with him afterwards and he goes, those last seven miles, very, very bad.

48:26And I was just like, yeah, I was like, I'm not sure that you've really given yourself to the process to be honest either. But in talking of that, how do you find you meet people who like do the marathon? They're like, oh, you know, I didn't really train because I've been busy and I'm like, I feel like if you get a place in the marathon you need to show it the respect it deserves and it's so it's so sought after that place in the marathon now if you've got one you gotta it's not the run itself it's the three months before of like commitment and and what have you so i think there's something really important in in what you just said in that the goal uh like the result shouldn't really be this is what i'm learning a lot at the moment i'm i'm gaining a lot from this shift like the time of the session or the race used to be like the pinnacle of of the importance for me yeah and like how do I get to this time and you know obviously people who run like want to run a sub three and stuff and that that's that's absolutely fine um and there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a goal in mind like with this goal of 245 at the end of the year you know there's a very real chance that I won't hit that right um I'll do everything in my power to hit it yeah Stephen you know said to me this morning that he's just realized that if I don't hit it, it's going to reflect really poorly on him.

49:42So there's lots of stuff we need to do. And I just, you know, the process of getting into kind of 245 shape sticks with you, right? Like this, this journey to that, to that race day.

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51:47Race day could be hellish. You never know. I could have zero hours of sleep the night before, you know, just from the nerves. All sorts can go wrong. Also, we're putting a fair amount of pressure on it. We've got a whole series around it. I respect you for that because you're putting yourself out there. And I've had moments where I've been like, do you know what, this block I'm not going to talk about sub three. But I think you should because it makes you accountable. And I think you have to step up to that pressure. Exactly. But, you know, in reality, if I run in a 247, will I be like really disappointed or angry?

52:19Not at all. It's a PB by 10 minutes. It's sub 250. Like it will still be an amazing day. I want to set myself parameters and, you know, could run it in 240. You know, who knows? Who knows? But I'm just saying that the work you put in and the discipline you give to it and, you know, the camaraderie with Scully and, like, you know, the discipline around the plan is just good practice. Full stop. So, like, whatever happens on the day will be. Well, hence why I booked another one immediately because I want that process to continue. And what I would say as well, like, for me with Sub3, like I wasn't going for it this time, but the last year when I was, I remember thinking like, even if I do get 301 or like 3004, 30010, I'm like, I know I will have left everything out there.

53:09And so, you know, people that don't run, they're like, and if you get a 302, they're like, oh, couldn't you have just, I'm like, no, and I'm going to leave it all out there. And so I'm going to cross that finish line being like feeling satisfied because it wasn't going to happen that day. The annoying thing about London is obviously I could have just turned it on before. Like, you know, so that was... It's okay, mate. You know, yeah. It's okay. Could have, could have... It's okay. Easily, actually, gone. It's okay. On the day, didn't realise it was on. And it's kind of... You'll get it. You will get it.

53:40I believe in you. I've actually already done it. I do believe in you. You know those... 2.45's punchy, but... You know those, like, almost quick sandy, like, nightmare scenarios where, like, where you think... where you think like you can see the finish line and you can also see your watch it's like i've got 11 seconds and it's just there and like i was kind of running thinking like really trying to sprint the last bit just because obviously it'd be nice to have a two in front of the thing and literally i'm running towards it and like it just like it hit three hours and i had like just like 10 meters left i was like that's what that feels like i was like that's amazing and had that happen in Tokyo did you think oh the amount of explaining you're going to have to do I just thought that I'm can I get away with just calling it three hours because like my 257 42 it's just a 257 it's more like a 258 but you call it 257 you call it 25 whatever the minute is so technically it's three hours but it's not it's not when it comes that so it's kind of like so I have said to everyone it's three hours and four seconds yeah yeah and they're like oh and like some people are like oh that's good enough it's like no no no it's not good enough it's not good enough I had a friend who did three hours three zero zero zero one yeah which I know how that feels sort of yeah like you know but anyway my point is if I hadn't two 57s that would be that would have hurt well I'd already have ran again and I'd be signed up to all kinds like I'd be like just desperately trying to smash that under three but no because of the two 57 I'm not I've I don't care.

55:20It's fine, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fine. Of course. It's fine, mate. It's going to be all right. Listen, guys, it's fine, okay? The important thing is that you've dealt with it and you're over it. Yeah, the very important thing is that, you know, nobody brings it up and it's fine. I mean, I don't know who I think I am. I ran 305, so, but yeah. Yeah. Still, I enjoyed it. I am super competitive, and so I just try and embrace that, and that is the thing that pushes me on. Like Alistair Cook, you know, Sir Alistair Cook, he ran 3.05.15 so it was 10 seconds faster than me with Sam Bram yeah right exactly the shit pro yeah so I and I know I know he was messaging my other mate who knows like what did Harry get what did he get 3.05 3.05 what he's like 3.05.25 he's like yes it's like but that's what's good you like you drive each other on and you know I mean you've slightly set your stool out with 2.45 but I'm like okay Spencer's in the distance now but you know well we'll see not currently like there's a lot of work to do but I think with professional guidance and a strict plan you can get to wherever you want to get to yeah it's not straightforward I've got a couple of mates who are really fucking annoying he ran 2.56 in his first marathon then a 2.47 then a 2.39 and he's like mate he's like mate it's not that hard and I'm like have you considered that you're just exceptionally gifted at running so yeah the journey is obviously not the same for everyone no mate I remember a few years ago looking at like sub 3 as just this completely unachievable alien thing like genuinely I like not not 1 % of me thought that I would ever be that person yeah yeah which when you first a lot can change you go out and you're looking and you're like 4.15s you're like what I've got to do this I've got to do this for a lap yeah like a few years ago yeah it's mad and that's what's so awesome about running off the track by the way not off the track yeah yeah no I couldn't run like the first time I ever ran a sub four minute K was like relatively recently.

57:22Like it was kind of, you know, within the last two years for sure. Mad. Yeah. Yeah. There's no Roger Bannister running the four minute mile, but it's good. It's good. I don't think anyone was comparing me to Roger. I'm a shit pro after all. And by the way, that was an incredible compliment. Is shit pro? Yeah. Yeah. Take that. I'll take it. Any kind of pros in there. Yeah. It's got the word pro in it. No problems. I'll take it. Three or five nearing shit pro. I'm entering shit pro level Cologne 26 I'll be a shit pro I think mate listen like that's fine by me shit pro like I think I'd rather be a shit pro than a good amateur but you're one of but neither is the truth because actually in terms of like people with you know profile dare I say it celebrities you know you're up there because Harry Styles was 259 you were 257 yeah and 20 kilos heavier than him so I don't know if anyone's you know but it was his just looking at that as you know but it's much harder for me to run actually faster than him.

58:19And who else? Is there anyone quicker than you? That's a good question. Yeah, of course. What do you mean? Celebrity-wise? Yeah, as in someone that the Daily Mail would write about. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I would have thought so. Shane McGuigan. Shane McGuigan. Shane McGuigan's faster than me. He's stacked as well. He's lost a lot of weight. He's 78 kilos now. I talk to Shane every day. We're very close. About reps. Well, he paced me in Tokyo. Ah, okay. With Josh Rose. Yeah. I saw him at the finish line and he was like, 305, great, man. So does Shane count as a celebrity? Sort of. Let's say no, so that you're the fastest.

58:56No, he doesn't. Thing is, it's lose-lose, right? Because people, they talk about it and then you just get a load of shit for doing it. They're like, I've never heard of this guy and who is he anyway? I don't care and stuff. You don't have to. No, you don't have to care. You don't even need to read the article, mate, to be honest. No, exactly. Or watch my YouTubes. No. As far as I'm aware, nobody is forcing you to listen to me. Exactly. But people will look, and I think you have to kind of enjoy that pressure. And so good luck, man. It is bad. Have we got any other strange celebrities? Well, a lot of people wouldn't call me an actual celebrity.

59:36So Harry Styles, I think it's safe to say, is an actual celebrity. And also he ran 3.23 and then just boshed out a sub three. so yeah no but he's also he's like he he has uh dare i say a fair amount of time and and also he's a shit pro he is a yeah he's none of us are shit pros by the way i think i think in order to have the word pro yeah next year you need to be sub 230 at least okay and even then that is true even then you're nowhere near elite so like elite elite starts at like 214 yeah that's true like Hugo Fry is a sub elite yeah if he's a sub anything I think I'm like a I'm a slug you know yeah yeah yeah okay just shit then yeah not shit for him I think I'm just shit yeah yeah that is the thing though people are talking about this normalising the sub 3 hour marathon it's still like I got the the observer I think it was the day after the marathon where they listed everyone's names of all the times oh yeah and it's 48 pages crikey you know we were on page 3 oh yeah out of 48 oh so I was like okay maybe I'm not that shit yeah no I think sub three still puts you in like the top 3 % of marathon runners or something like that.

1:00:43So, you know, we're better than 97 % of marathon runners. What does this say about us, the fact that I'm so obsessed? Don't worry, we'll probably lose this bit, to be honest. Good, because I'm like really highlighting my insecurities and need to do that. Don't worry, we are still, we don't need to be any kind of pro to be good. I run for fun, guys. None of us take this seriously, God. It's not like we have a whole show about it. celebrities who've been on a TV show Nell McAndrew who's Nell McAndrew she was she was like I think an actress a model she boshed out a 255 about 10 years ago the one that keeps before it was cool you know how like sometimes the AI or something it just lands on the same thing every and every again I cannot move for Alan Turing running a 246 in like the 50s he is an actual celebrity Alan Turing Alan Turing ran a 246 246 he's basically single-handedly won World War 2 and runner 246.

1:01:35Which was better? He's a winner. He did like that machine quite a lot, though. Christopher. The computer that he loved. Yeah, yeah. He seems like he liked running more, mate. 246, that's pretty impressive. Back then as well, no super shoes. No Instagram as well to boast about it. Yeah, so we've only just found out about that. El McAndro, 254. 254. No Stryver Kudos. Yeah. Why were they running? No Coros. Why were they running? They wouldn't have even known what splits they were running at. So can you imagine being surprised with a 2.46 at the end? Imagine you get to the end, you've run a 2.46. What?

1:02:13Great, thanks. I ran that to feel. Talking splits with Alan Turing would blow your mind. Yeah, it would blow your mind. I mean, he doesn't even need a Khoros. He knows. He is Khoros. He is Khoros. He's just, yeah. Can you imagine, by the way, just being that intelligent that you can create, like, the world's first computer to crack a German, like, unbreakable code. Well, let's just compare that. Where does your mind go, like, I'm going to plug a bunch of wires into a circuit board, and, like, what? What are you talking about? Like, to me, that's just madness. Compare that level of intelligence to mine, where I've got, like, 2K left of the marathon, and I'm going, okay, that's 400 metres, 800 metres, 200 metres, 1 ,600 metres, that's five laps of the track.

1:03:01It doesn't matter how many times I've done that. I'm like, 400, 800. I'm lost. 400, 800. I'm with you. I also just like to make myself feel better in sessions. I count like an 800, like two laps of the track, 800 meters as like roughly a K. Roughly a K. So like if I've got 2K left, I'm like, that's four laps. I know it's five. It's five. But I'm like, that's just four laps of the track. It's the last 400 meters. It doesn't count. It just doesn't count. No, exactly. So later this year, you're going to be in High School Musical. Yeah. Looking forward to it? I am, mate, yeah. I mean, I'm more concerned about when I'm going to get my runs in, but...

1:03:36Well, that was the question. I was going to say, how are you going to squeeze in your running around? Well, the other thing as well, I talked about this earlier, but I'm playing Coach Bolton, the dad of Troy Bolton, who was the Zac Efron part from the film. You're the Matthew Perry. I'm the... Well, that's a different film. Different film. Matthew Perry was a basketball dad with Zac Efron in a different film. Shit, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I get your mistake. Oh, and they were actually the same person or something? yeah there was something to do with that so ignore that so you're not anything to do with Matthew Perry the dearly departed Matthew Perry nothing to do with Matthew Perry I am coach Bolton so I'm the dad and you know he's like coach gotta be like I'm thinking like I've maybe gotta get in shape again I'm gonna be wearing a coach's vest on stage but I'm gonna be off the back of Cologne 26 Spencer so I'm gonna be and you're laying down the gauntlet this is your time This is the 256.

1:04:33When's your marathon 245 attempt, by the way? December. Okay, right. So you can enjoy your 256. So I could enjoy a couple of months. Just for eight weeks or something, yeah. Okay. So, right, I've seen you the High School Musical Press team. We've got to get back on topic. So, yeah, that starts October to January the 3rd. And, yeah, I mean, it's totally mad, like totally random that I'm going to be in a West End show. So, yeah, it's crazy. The things that I've done in my career, like if you'd have told me as a teenager, you know, you're going to be a drummer in a band, you're going to be like doing Strictly Come Dancing and be on a Western stage and be like incredibly boring about running, then I would have been like, really?

1:05:15I'm not sure that's my fate. But yeah, it's cool. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's obviously like a huge show. Like it's 20 years since the film came out and I just think it's a nice marriage between the McFly audience and the high school musical audience. It was 2006, that was a good year for us. So yeah, I'm very excited to get back up on stage. It's very different to being at the back drumming and what have you. But yeah, my kids are very excited, so that's cool. Well, mate, we wish you the best of luck. We'd love to come and see it and bring our family. When did you say it starts? I think my run starts October the 14th.

1:05:53It's in Manchester First, where Jason Donovan is playing Coach Bolton. When I announced it on the radio that I'm Coach Bolton, I got home that day and my phone rang and it was Jason Donovan. And I've not spoken to him for ages, we did Strictly Together. He's an absolute legend. And I picked up, I was like, hello, Coach Bolton. And he, Jason, started singing High School Musical at me down the phone. But literally for like two minutes, just sung the whole song. I was like, okay, this is what we're doing. I'll join in. So yeah, Manchester First with Jason Donovan and then me in London. from October to January.

1:06:25Amazing, mate. We look forward to it. Hence why I can't do Valencia. So I've got some work to do. Okay. Well, thanks for bringing your incredible energy to the studio. That was a lot of fun interviewing you. We must go running. Definitely. I'll take your number. I felt a bit of pressure today because you've had all these experts on and I'm very much coming from the amateur level. But it's been a pleasure chatting to you about running. And yeah, let's do it. Let's go for a run. I need to keep working hard because you're on this 245 mission with Scullion so I need to hold my own and batter you part with you.

1:06:57I sometimes honestly like mid-session think I'm far away from this. And I'm like thank God we've got all the rest of the year to train. Keep chipping mate. It is a chip, chip, chip. Good for you man. Good for you. I'll be backing you. I was looking at I looked down at the watch today and realised that on the third lap when I was pushing that is my your pace my marathon pace and I was like wow this is just 3k and you need to be getting through 26 27 comfortably at that pace just like yeah yeah yeah cruising anyway we're not there yet good luck man good luck good to see you brother yeah thanks for having me cheers