Ibiza, Ocean Beach, & The Day I Hit Rock Bottom | Wayne Lineker

0:02Wayne, thanks so much for joining me. Spencer, absolute pleasure. It's great to have you here in person. I usually see you on Instagram or online. Yeah, my face gets about with a few selfies in the summer, or I'm being a nuisance in Ibiza. But yeah, I try to have some fun on my Instagram as well. You've been on a journey of sobriety more recently over the last few months. I think towards the end of last year, it came to lots of people's attention with that Love Actually boards. Yeah. You posted saying that. Yeah, that went pretty viral, that post. Yeah, that you were focusing on your kind of health and sobriety, but also that you'd nearly died a couple of times.

0:46A couple of times, yeah. It was an awful time, but yeah. Can you take us into the moments? So I got an infection in Dubai in November. I thought was COVID so I didn't really want to go and get the test because if I went to the test then I might not be able to get home and blah blah blah that would put me in isolation or I was just feeling really ill so I just got on the plane put a mask on and slept all the way home and then I got home I walked in my house with my cases and my bags and put them on the side I was just feeling unwell and then I thought it was about late in the evening and I thought I'll get a couple of hours sleep but I woke up about two in the morning and I couldn't move at all like I wasn't paralysed but my everything hurt and there's just no way I could get out of bed and my phone was in the bottom corner of my bedroom so I had to find a way of getting out of bed I didn't have a clue what was going on and I managed to call to my phone phoned the ambulance.

1:54They couldn't find it. I'm literally dying here. I'm like, you know, very close to death. And I've managed to call. I thought I was having a heart attack because it was all down this side. So I've called my daughter because she'll be awake. It's like 6am in Dubai, 7am. She's got a little boy. And she answered. I said, Tia, I think I'm having a heart attack. And she's like, obviously distraught. She'll let me phone my mum. Her mum lives 10 minutes down the road. Fortunately, her mum answered, and she came round with her boyfriend, Omar. And then they recalled the ambulance because I didn't have a clue what I was saying or nothing.

2:35It was like, it was so weird. And then I went to the hospital, and it was quite an emergency when I arrived because I was that ill. Anyway, that passed, and I got a little bit better, and I left hospital four weeks later. I went back home. And then I had another attack straight away. It was like after two days, I'm like, oh, I had to go back. And I went to this, I've got a private GP close to me. And they got me on the bed in a private room. And then I was with my son, Sean.

3:15And they pressed this buzzer. and about six nurses came in and doctors and they were poking things in my eyes and blood pressures and everything. I'm thinking, well, this is going to be expensive private. That's what I was thinking. And at that time, they took my son out and they said, we don't think your dad's going to make it. I didn't know this at the time and he's had to call the family and say, you know, Dad's struggling. But apparently my blood pressure was so low, it was critical. So that was the second time, which wasn't very nice for my son. Then I went back to the hospital, Basildon Hospital, which was fantastic, and then I spent another four weeks in there.

4:06Yeah, pneumonia is a brutal, brutal thing. It really is. It's like it just beats you up. and I lost, I went in 86 kilos, which I am again now, thankfully. I came out 75 kilos. So I lost 11 kilos, just sat in bed for eight weeks. How did it make you feel coming that close to death? I didn't realize I was. It's only afterwards when my son said that's what they told him. And they also said, don't say anything to your dad, but he might be going, you know, struggling there. But yeah, the whole experience was just bizarre because I'm never ill. I'm like, I'm not one of these people that gets ill. I'm so fortunate.

4:51And I'll just recommend people get that pneumonia jab. It's a once-in-a-lifetime jab that not many people know about it, but it'll protect you. Yeah, pneumonia took my dad as well. I had a big pint in my dad's death. So, yeah, it's a strong infection. Lung infection? Yeah, lungs, yeah. So you get fluid all in your lungs. But it's not just that. It's your whole body. I couldn't walk. I couldn't walk until four weeks, but only with a Zimma frame. And I couldn't get out of bed. You have to go to the toilet in your bed. And it's just very humiliating, some of it. Was it strange for someone like you who's lived quite a full life to feel so fragile suddenly?

5:42Yeah, yeah, I've like always been, you know, even through my deepest hangovers, you know, which I've had a lot of, you know, I'll always bounce back and within a day or so, or find some medication, as in vodka rebel to sort me out. But yeah, so it's really unknown to me to be so ill. I myself am familiar with drinking in the morning back when I was at my worst. I would hide it from people and lie about it. At what stage did you feel that your control was slipping? I think generally alcoholics or drugs or if you're addicted to either, you tend to lie. you tend to even to your own family you know which is sad i've been trying to give up for years and years and years but it's been in the industry i mean it's just so difficult and it just got to a point where you know i was behaving badly and there was videos of me being released on the internet of me off my face and just really not looking good and yeah so it's just at that time in in June this year.

7:04Yeah, I just thought, you know, my family were getting tired of me, you know, especially my eldest, you know, all these broken promises I keep doing. And, you know, your behaviour, my behaviour wasn't good. And, you know, I was very probably embarrassing for your children, all the groups of lads and all that. They're all like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. But then you just get caught up in this. like the cartoon lifestyle you know it's like it's not real it's just a fantasy it seems a fantasy anyway but yeah If the business was doing well? Yeah yeah business is great yeah This is Obeach now that we're talking about Did I see that you're closing one of them down or you're closing one of your famous bars down?

7:56Lineker's yeah Do you see that as kind of part of closing a chapter of yourself or is that just strictly business? It's strictly business really. I mean, the bar industry is not like it used to be. When I started 37 years ago in Lineker's in Tenerife and that's where all the sober money was. People used to meet in the bars before they went out, after and it was just the energy and everything it was just so busy and but now the daytime venues ocean places like that of it's become a big thing now the daytime uh drinking and parties and so the bars suffer really it's very very difficult to have a business a successful business in the bar bar industry i call it now and um because the daytime venues take all the money and then and then people will go home and have a kip or or and then go to the clubs and you know so it's sort of very difficult now so anyway linikas is was not like it used to be not the force it used to be all the young kids don't really know that name anymore and with the regarding being in the bars um so yeah it just uh is one of them things really and we're still open in Marlborough has a bit older clientele there because Ibiza's a bit younger they're not sure what Linnex is anymore Do you go to Ibiza much?

9:34I generally live there in the summers and live in the UK in the winters but I'm obviously unsure of what my plans are for this summer I will be going to Ibiza but I won't be there all the time like I usually am When did fun kind of begin to feel problematic?

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11:41The year we opened ocean, really, I just started drinking. heavily and partying heavily and at that time I wasn't really that bothered and yes you start on a little drug journey and you know and once you've had so many drinks you have to get the drugs and then you know and then it just becomes a cycle and you can't get out of it so yeah it's probably 2012 it's got a little bit out of hand and it's got worse since really. What measures are you taking nowadays to prioritise your health? Everything. I've even got oxygen chamber in my house. I've got red light therapy in my house. I've been through a special company that designs all my supplements for me and what's good for me because my immune system has been like so weak for so long, which is why I caught pneumonia in the end because my immune system couldn't cope with the chest infection.

12:38So yeah, I'm very active. I'm back in the gym, feeling good. I juice a lot. So yeah, I'm doing all the right things. And it's only the last couple of weeks, really, I've started feeling myself, like feeling really good, energized, because energy is a big thing you lose, and especially when you're drinking, you're living off false energy. You know, I call it fake energy. You know, there's enough vodka red balls and, you know, because you're so tired from the previous day. You wake up and, you know, I used to go and have my breakfast with a vodka red ball. And then I'd be able to look at my phone because I was so anxious from the night before, before I drank it, you know.

13:28So it's just, and that's just the cycle that I couldn't get out of. Are you happy to be doing what you're doing now? It seems to me like there's still a bit of scarring from it. Is there still a worry and a concern? Obviously, you've been sober now for a few months. Would you say that you're happy with where you are? I'm happy on a personal level with where I am I'm not such a fan of the industry I'm in anymore I don't enjoy it like I used to obviously sober is completely different you know all I was doing was having a party for six months a year every single summer which sounds great but in reality it's not so I don't you know I went back to Ibiza for a couple of weeks after I was three months sober I thought I'd do the last two weeks of the season I hadn't long been out of rehab then I went back I just didn't enjoy it I was almost miserable you know because everyone wants my attention in there and you know pictures and chatting which is great if you're on the same level as them but when you're sober and there you know it's got to a point where I can't really move in my own club without being hounded which is you know which is great when they're sober and I'm sober it's great you know but 2 o 'clock 3 o 'clock 4 o 'clock they start getting a bit by 6 o 'clock you know that everyone's sort of drunk and having a great time and it's and they get more confident and so they'll it'll be a bit more difficult to handle so I just think I just need to leave and you know but it was early this year obviously I'll be probably almost a year sober when it opens in a couple of months and I think I'll be able to deal with that situation a lot better.

15:34Do you see yourself as taking time off or is that it for you now? Yeah, I'm taking time out, yeah. I think the party life's finished for me now. I'm just not interested. I don't go to any clubs or any bars even. I'm more of a restaurant man now and obviously got a beautiful family which live in Ibiza as well. so it's nice of me to spend time with them instead of being at the club all day. So my intentions are to go to the club but just go early, a couple of hours and leave. Your relationship with your children is much better now? A lot better now, yeah. I mean, it's always been amazing. My oldest son, Dwayne, he's the father of the relationship and I'm the son.

16:22So, you know, when he calls me in his office to tell me off and stuff like that, which was a very sad incident leading up to my being admitted to rehab. He called me in the office and he said, because I've got two granddaughters, Myla and Aria. Myla's nine, Aria's six. Yeah, and he called me and he just said, Dad, I need to speak to you in the office. This was right in my, you know, in June, middle of June, when I was a bit out of control, should I say. and he called me in the office and said, Dad, we can't let you pick the girls up anymore from school because I used to pick them up a couple of times a week and I used to enjoy it.

17:08And that hit me like a ton of bricks. And he said, look, I know you're drinking heavily and this and that and the other. And I knew what he was getting at. It wasn't safe for me to pick the girls up, you know, basically. Even if I was sober that day, I still have either alcohol or drugs in my system. So you're not sharp, you're not focused. So yeah, that was a big moment. That must have been really hard. Yeah, that was tough. That was the real, the big breaking moment for me. I thought, you know, I've got to sort myself out. and my business partners were pushing me into, pushing me, urging me into rehab.

17:55And eventually I went in there and I went to the Priory. Can you take me through, I'm genuinely, well, I'm very curious about all of your answers, but I'm particularly curious about that experience, right? Because I myself never did rehab, but I sought professional help and I developed a great relationship with a therapist who was very helpful to me. And I went to AA a bit, although I really didn't enjoy AA. I found it just didn't really work for me. Yeah, I was saying, yeah. I'm really curious about, not necessarily the prior, but obviously that's your experience. Just like, can you take me through what happens?

18:35Yeah. As I say, I was skeptical about going. I wasn't scared of going, but I thought I need to go. You hear a lot of stories about rehab. I mean, people, I told someone that I was going, and they said, don't, you know, oh, be careful. They'll give you medications to change your personality. And I'm like, no, I don't want to do that. And it's not like that. It's very, it's like a community. You know, you've got a house. Everybody's got a room in the house. And they're all in there for addiction, whether it be a cake addiction, sugar, drugs, alcohol, the roots of addiction is all the same. You're addicted and the addiction is the same thing for each addiction you've got, even gambling or it's all the same.

19:29So everybody accepts each other and you have community meetings like three or four a day. Then I have one-to-one therapy, just me and a therapist, like a couple of times a day. And yeah, it's very friendly. The food's lovely. It's like a health farm in a way. And you don't feel like you're doing something that you're not enjoying. Obviously, you're there for a reason. and I made sure that I attended all the meetings. You go out of the clinic as well, you go out to AA meetings and all those sort of things. But it's not religious at all. It's very calm and, you know, there is that side of it, you know.

20:25But it's not, I had the same perception. and I thought, oh, it's going to be, you know, all the steps and all that you've got to do and all the God thing and, you know, sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't, but it depends on your beliefs. But it wasn't pushy in that way, in that direction at all. It was very nice. You talked about moments since kind of 2012 where people close to you were mentioning that you were perhaps suffering in some way and that you needed some help. What was your kind of early reaction to people who would say stuff like that to you?

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22:51it wasn't till because in 2012 ocean was so new and so exciting and something fresh in my life and you know i wasn't and i wasn't out of control in them days i was i wasn't great but i wasn't didn't get to the state that i got in the last few years so no one's ever really pressurised me or pushed me into rehab or saying that, you know, you need to get a grip of yourself. And that's just gradually came over the years. And then I don't know whether it comes to a point where they're like, oh, I just can't bother talking to him anymore. He's just like, he's not going to listen to us, you know. But obviously with the family and my business partners, it was different because they actually care about me.

23:38And so, yeah, I don't really, it's just crept up, if you know what I mean. Your brother Gary is obviously a very famous person as well in his own right. Did you ever feel the kind of speculation about you was enhanced as a result of being related to him? In the early days, yeah. I sort of built my own reputation and brand now. But back in, you know, when Gary was, when I was starting my journey into the bio industry and I was just Gary's brother then. And I enjoyed it. Who doesn't want a captain of England as a brother? But we shared the same name, so I took advantage of that and opened Lineker's with his full support.

24:34But yeah, I mean, we're two different people. We're chalk and cheese. You know, he's very reserved, laid back and very intelligent. Whereas I'm just, you know, I'm just, you know, an old market trader, Jack the lad. And, you know, a bit of banter about me. And, yeah, we're just different characters. Gary's obviously very sensible and I'm very loose. And, you know, but we're, you know, we've had our ups and downs over the years. but we're now back to being nice, friendly brothers again, which is nice. That must feel nice. Yeah, that's lovely. I had my daughter's wedding this year and my nephews.

25:17We've had two weddings together this year. We both needed to be there. And that was the turning point, really, that our friendships got back to how it was. Yeah, so it's been a really nice year. when you look at drugs and alcohol which was the kind of bigger problem for you in your opinion so some people have a problem with drink and use drugs to regulate it and some people drink alcohol 100 % I would never even think about a drug sober no I've never took a drug in my life sober it just came with a package in the end you know like three or four drinks my little demons having to come on wait it's time oh my god well and it just it's just a cycle and so yeah alcohol is my problem not not drugs as as a as addictive people or in this case you as an addictive person do you find it helpful to try and channel that addictive nature into positive things so family training you know food whatever whatever it might be.

26:27Like, what do you spend, what have you replaced the toxic time with? I'm addicted to being healthy. I'm addicted to living longer. I'm addicted to find out every single thing I can about expanding my life. You know, because that was another reason that, well, a huge reason. You know, I was going to die as simple as that if I'd have carried on. There's no way my body could have taken that amount of alcohol and drugs and hangovers and just feeling like death for any more period of time. I've brushed myself against death many times. So yeah, addictive personalities sometimes can be good to have and sometimes that can be a big hindrance.

27:23Your life has obviously changed a lot. Would you say that with the positive change, there has been some negative? My social life has completely changed on a 360. From being out every day and every night to now never going out. I'm not saying I've become a recluse, I've not, but I enjoy things like social media more now. I know I'm present on social media, but I enjoy just scrolling through and then I enjoy my true crime. And, you know, I'm addicted to true crime. You know, there's not any true crime programs I've not seen now. So I'm foraging the search engines to try and find new stuff that I've got.

28:13I've asked chat GPT, what's similar to 24 Hours Police Custodian? He'll tell me a lot of the programs and I've always watched them. so yeah but I'm I'm genuinely really happy I wake up in the morning I bounce out of bed instead of just dreading getting out of bed so yeah there's so many so many positives about being sober to feeling like shit every day you know your brain your brain's so focused now you know it's so clear it's so clean and that was a big thing. You don't realise it at the time but you're not doing any of your tasks that you should do. You're missing Zoom calls, you're not turning up to meetings and I never miss a meeting now, I never miss a Zoom call.

29:07I'm always present. There's so many positives that outweigh the negatives. What advice do you have for anyone listening that potentially realises that they have problems with alcohol or substances? Yeah, I think if you're one of these percentage of people like me, and maybe you were the same, that once you start, you can't really stop. you want to go and go and go and then until you pass out or basically or you know if you're one of these people that can go out and have two three four drinks go home go sleep wake up in the morning fantastic i'd love that life i would yeah um and maybe i'll get that life one day you know with you know and learn to respect cell call for what it is cell call is not a bad thing But, you know, it's the person that abuses the alcohol.

30:10Then it becomes a bad thing. But if you, you know, like I say, if you can just go out and have a couple of glasses of wine at dinner, that's beautiful. So I'm hoping to get to that point one day, but I'm certainly going to be sober for a year and then see how I feel really. But I don't want to stop feeling this good. How do you feel you will prevent slips into temptation? So you're somewhere where nobody's really looking, you walk past a bar or a pub and you think a cold beer or a cold vodka Red Bull might just slip down easy, do you specifically do anything to guard yourself or are you just confident with who you are?

30:56I don't feel the urge anymore. I could never walk by a bar or you know if I was coming to London for the day and I walked by there's no way I'm walking by that bar I'm not going to pop in and have a quick pocket ripple no way you know I used to go in supermarkets and just all I was thinking about was buying wine that's all I was thinking about and now when would you say sorry to interrupt you when would you say it was the worst like when when was there absolutely no question right that you're in a very serious problem. So, for example, the supermarket, the only thing about the booze, the kind of...

31:35So, when was that? First year of O? When was it that literally alcohol consumed your life? For a long time. But you don't realise it's consumed your life until you realise that there's a very a lot of serious reasons you have to give up and you know and they start things start happening like incidents like with my son and another one with my my Freddie my son DJ he's 21 you know staying in my villa in the same time roughly the same time Dwayne called me in his office and he was flying to Zante for a DJ job and it was four in the morning and he walked past my bedroom, came in and I was just awake on the bed and I wasn't very well and he just came in and gave me a big hug and put his head on my chest and he cried and I cried and he said, just make sure you're okay, come on, you know, that sort of stuff.

32:42All those sort of, so I would say this year really just for rehab. um yeah a lot of a lot of moments like that that all come together at once you know what's the most important thing that you're looking forward to now that you've packed it in getting a girlfriend you know that's that's the last thing i need now i'd say that's the last thing you need that's the final piece of the jigsaw i call it yeah okay but yeah um i'd say you're in high demand are you not? Well you know until they see my history

33:21yeah I mean that's what I desperately not desperately that's what I feel is the right move for me now that's what I want to do I want to find someone I can settle down with and and yeah just have a companion really you know I'm 63 I'm not I'm not a kid anymore you know I can't I can't live that lifestyle and I enjoy my lifestyle now but it would be nice to have someone to share it with Do you live alone? I do, yeah I enjoy my own company so I'm not sad or miserable God, I'd hate it hats off to you for that I would really struggle with that I quite enjoy it I'll come round Perfect Bring your slippers It's not quite the beautiful woman you had in mind but I'll uh we'll watch some true cry together yes mate that sounds good um but yeah I'm in a happy place I'm not I'm not sad or you know but I think that's the the next step for me to share my life with someone and travel and you know but uh we'll see what happens are you keeping yourself busy so like for me and not to make it about me and I realize we've spoken a lot about alcohol.

34:38But for me, you know, if you want to use a word like trigger, which I inherently don't really like, but my triggers are kind of boredom. Like, for example, if I am on my own, just for like an extended period of time, I become, oh, right, there's no one here. So I can kind of do, I can have a drink or whatever. I don't often drink. I do drink every so often, but I don't often drink but boredom like loneliness like things that i don't often feel right because thankfully i keep myself busy i'm sober i'm i'm i'm you know i have lots of uh so that's what i have lots of things to do right so i i feel like holidays for me if i'm just on holiday with the family just lying on a beach it's kind of yeah right well you know what are we doing here you know we might as well have a glass or something so you know that's not that's not a thing for you though if you spend a lot of time on your own um no i mean i used to you know drink at home as well um you know i wouldn't a night end for me would be cooking a bottle of wine and maybe some tv chatting to girls on whatsapp or instagram when that was my night yeah now it's the more it's a lot more productive you know i feel you know I cook better food now I eat better food now but yeah I don't really get bored and even now I've got so much to do you know it's not so much work related but just things I'm interested in I'm just very yeah but I know exactly what you're saying boredom is oh let's get a bottle of wine it's not so boring then you know what I mean it's true though it's very difficult to get I'm the sort of person I'm 100 % or I'm nothing so at the moment I'm 100 % not drinking and then once I start drinking that's my if I start drinking my problem will be controlling that I certainly won't ever touch a drug again in my life that's terrible stuff and you know that's the stuff that can kill you but we'll see what happens in the future but at the moment I'm going a year sober.

36:56I said that from day one and I'll finish that and I'll do my year and then. But going back to what you say, boredom is a big part of, you know, especially when you're on your own. You've got all night to spend with yourself. Like I say, I've got my routine now and enjoy it. I go bed exactly the same time every night, but within half an hour. I wake up the same time. my my my sleep clock's been all over the place for the last 30 years you know sometimes i wouldn't sleep at night next day i'll sleep 16 hours next day i'd just have a couple of hours and it's just now it's just pure routine so it's nice have you found that you've had to distance yourself from many people that you've worked with for years people said that to me you got to change your your your friend zone i've not really done that because i've not been out i just don't go out you know i've got certain friends of mine that i won't go for dinner with but i'll go for breakfast with yeah if you know what i mean because if i go for dinner with them that's when they're going to be naughty and then maybe i'll be tempted to which i wouldn't at the moment but so yeah so obviously you're incredibly familiar with ibiza the place the islands um it certainly feels to me like there's been you know a fair amount of change and shift in lifestyle and available options kind of on the island do you see a big change since you first went there to now?

38:30I just feel that Ibiza's getting stronger every year the investment from into the night club industry especially with the universe and all the big DJs and And, you know, it's definitely, it's the hub now and has been for many years, but now it's getting stronger and stronger, you know. Daytime venues are huge now. Daytime parties, you know, it's just a big magnet for people attracted to come to the island now. And the island is absolutely beautiful. It's such a stunning place. you know as years ago Ibiza was a lot more cooler you know like you know you need to be cool to go Ibiza you don't now you just need to be you need to just have some fun about you know want to go out kind of party you know it's it's so iconic for partying and I don't think it'll ever lose it there's not been no huge changes apart from the clienteles are creeping up a bit younger now.

39:44I know we're getting older, well, I am, but it seems the crowd's getting a little bit younger. Hopefully it won't end up in Exante, but I don't think so. Yeah, it's just a very exciting time for Ibiza. I've noticed last year in particular the increase in tourism, British tourists, you know, So, yeah, I'm very optimistic about the future in Avitha. Looking back at your life, and obviously this interview's focused mostly on the alcoholism and drugs, etc. What are you most proud of? 100 % my family and how tight and close we are. and I've learned that so many times, especially over my peaking, as it were, to go to rehab, how important they were and how important they are.

40:43But I had pneumonia all there for me and all. So I'm very blessed with my family. They're all just so wonderful. I've got my granddaughters and my grandson. I want to see them get married. which I wouldn't do if I was continuing my alcohol journey. So this, like I say, my life has certainly changed from partying, but I don't miss it. I've done my fair share.

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43:09well it's great to see you in um in this healthy and considered state you know i think it's um refreshing to to all of us to kind of see you come out of you know where you were um in the way that you are now yeah i'm i'm actually proud of myself now you know i've not been proud of myself for years doesn't matter what so it's always i've always been drinking or doing drugs or there's nothing to be proud of. But now I sit back and go, you know, I'm actually proud of myself for what I've done. And, yeah, and that's very rewarding, yeah. Well, I wish you all the best with your year of sobriety and I hope one day you can, you know, have complete control over it.

43:55And, you know, long live O 'Beach, I think it's become... Long live O 'Beach. It's become an absolute staple, icon of Ibiza so I must check it out one day I can't believe you've not been I know I've just it's not your name pops up now again by the way because I was told you were coming in oh yeah it was about three or four years ago and I thought I really want to meet this guy because that was probably a good job you never met me on that next but I just remember it and I thought who else was it I think it was Pete Wicks was there and then you were mentioned that you all come in and Jamie's coming and neither of you turned off.

44:35But yeah, I remember that. It's about time. We must come in. My wife... We can have water together. Yeah, sure. In an orange cup. I'll bring you some clean coat. Yes, please. My wife is a big fan and so is her brother of you. And so next time we're in Ibiza, hopefully you'll be there. We must pop in. I'd love to see the place. Red carpet for you, Spencer. Thank you, my friend. 100%. Can't thank you enough for your time again, Wayne. Thank you. good of you to come in and thanks for being so honest always thanks