Should There Be Weight Classes In Running? | Jordan Stanton

0:01Have you ever been in such a professional environment? Mate, this is, to have this amount of photography or cameras at my big head is quite daunting, but hopefully it's going to make it work. I love your big head. Thank you. Like, I think it's, is it actually, does it just, does it look and feel large or is it a big head? It is a strong mandible and an even bigger cranium. So I'm all, I'm all, you know, everyone's like party at the back. No, I'm party at the front, right? But it's very, very big. If it wasn't for technology now with iPhones, I don't think I actually would fit in the shot. But thank God they've got a little zoom out bit now.

0:37So it captures all of it. I love it. I think it's interesting to go into how this interview came to be. You call people out in Battersea Park, right? I do. And you've screamed and shouted at me on numerous occasions. Always friendly, by the way. I was getting your honest, Ben. We see each other most days. I would say at this rate, not that I'm counting, but I'd be, yeah, just for record, I'm not counting, but probably about five out of seven days a week. And also unemployed hours. Like I'll say you ran in like 11.37, scrolling through just talking to yourself in the park. And I'm like, what is this guy doing?

1:12I might go, because I'm also talking to myself as well. I'm like, I might go talk to him. And that's how we've kind of connected. We connected through a mutual love of running. And I've always been fascinated by you as a runner. You run a particularly fast 5K. Is it 18.30, sub 18.30? No, unofficial though, Sven, because it was around an ass track, but 1846. 1846, but you weigh 107 kilos. 107 kilos, yeah. It's good going. It's thick and it's quick is what it is right now, Sven. That is what you're looking at, right? I think when people look at a traditional 5K runner at a good pace, they see someone probably half my size.

1:50But when you see a running walrus like myself hitting that type of pace, it's a sight to behold. I would, firstly, I would love to see it. Because I've not seen you kind of go flat out. We've crossed each other many times. You're always, you often catch me on my cool down and scream at me to go faster. And, you know, I kind of sometimes feel like saying, I've actually done the session. This is the cool down. But then I'm like, I don't really need to explain my, the fact that I'm, you do. You do to me, Scott, you do. Because I keep you honest. And what I see is when I see your big cheesy grin and you got your top off and you chiseled on your tan.

2:25Yeah, yeah, I get it all right. But I'm just making sure that Master Scully's work is being done. That's all. That's all I'm asking for. God, I love Master Scully. He's just like, he's like a wise old dog. Yes. We have the same haircut, Master Scully and I. So I'm hoping that I'm actually going to use this today for him to reach out to me, to coach me for a very big 5K goal, which I'm happy to get to a little bit later. He's a divine coach. And he kind of, I was saying to Simon earlier, he's like, if you robed him and you were to plonk him, you know, in Tibet, in a monastery and you were to come across him, he speaks with like infinite wisdom.

3:10He's just like, he has a real deep passion for running, which has really inspired me and rubbed off on me. And I feel like you have something similar. And I just find it interesting to talk to you. It's not very often that you find people who weigh 100 kgs plus who are, you know, as efficient and as fast at running as you are. When did you get into running and how did it all begin for you? Where did the love affair start? Yeah, it's a good question, Spam, because I've always played team sports. I played Australian rules football and I wasn't fast, like just lockdown brute defender. Do you know what I mean?

3:49Geordie in the trenches, going hard, try smash as many blokes as you can. And I was like, all right, perfect. That's my role. And even when we do all the sprinting stuff at training, I was always back of the pack. And when you finish team sports, Spam, it's like, what do you do? I love competing. I loved my Muay Thai. But unfortunately, I got a brain injury from doing that. so i was like let's put that to the side went for my first ever kind of i guess run where it was around clapham common i think i ran for 7ks at like 7 30 splits and i was like this is the worst thing ever it's terrible right my groins i was like if people would have been mesmerized that there was just this big guy just like lumbering around doing nothing but i think what i saw from that spencer is that what a challenge this would be if i could not reinvent myself but look to take on this challenge where this inherently, do I look like I'm born a runner?

4:42God, no. Right. But why don't I go ahead and challenge myself and say how far I can actually take this. And that's where it become. We've all had that experience. That experience for me was, it was a few years ago where somebody who runs says, come running with me and you're not really into it. You never have been. And you go, yeah, go on. That sounds like fun. And you go and it's shit. And it's just knees hurt, hips hurt, muscles are flared up. Your lungs are just in agony. Your heart rates through the roof. You're sweating like a pig. You look like death. Like every step is painful. I remember going for like a lap, one lap of Hyde Park with my brother James.

5:20And just hating pretty much all of it. Like, you know, getting out there, moving, nothing fast, you know, nice and slow. And just, I remember thinking there is nothing enjoyable about this experience and I can't wait for it to be over. And like, I'll, I'll bite my tongue a bit because I don't want to look pathetic right next to my brother who runs all the time. And I can remember getting home and thinking, I'm never going to do that again. Like I'm just, I just have no interest. And I've got lots of friends that feel that way about running. You know, they're just, they're just not interested by it.

5:54They get turned off by it. What was it about your first experience that was inherently very difficult that you, that, that was, that made you want more of it? Because that's, you just said it right then. It was difficult, but I'm like, I'm not going to let this stop me right now. And I knew, Sven, if I went out there and I did it again, you get that, you know, everyone speaks about runners high, but I think more of it for me was, I just felt my whole body moving and being like this, this, I'm working against gravity at the moment. And that feeling of actually accomplishing something and it being really challenging and been really difficult i was like come on now like let's see how far we can go let's see let's see why don't let's go for one more run right and again spend like my groins my knees everything as well like like you said like i just i just felt shit but i just felt a sense of accomplishment which i probably was searching for after finishing team sports but i've always been very competitive lover but i thought running's a good avenue to really unleash the next phase of like a petty dress.

6:53It's quite, it's a really beautiful sport in the sense that the more you give to it, the more you get back from it. And the more you grow, I feel, as a person. Like there's, you know, again, as Scully says, and, you know, hopefully one day I'll just steal this and stop saying that Scully said it once. But, you know, he talks about the quiet satisfaction of chipping away at a goal, right? And just like how wonderful it feels to feel fitter, healthier lower heart rate you know higher pace just just a becoming a better and greater runner is is quite a unique experience you know you can have it with all kinds of stuff i guess you know the more you play tennis the better you're going to be at tennis the more you do jujitsu the better you're going to be you know but running is um is interesting because in my opinion there's just so many positive knock-on effects elsewhere you know like if you're in a plan or you're sticking to something, you know, perhaps you become more disciplined, perhaps you become more goal driven, perhaps you set yourself targets that would be out of reach, you know, before it just there's a lot of positivity that comes from running well.

8:02What were your kind of early goals with it? I remember we did, we were chipping away to do a half marathon back when I was living in Australia ages and ages ago. And I was like, I could just go out for 10 Ks. Why not? right and i remember running spin and i had chafing like you wouldn't believe like i just absolutely raw dogged it to a 10 i'm going wow i could actually train for this and so i guess the first half marathon was a big milestone for me but even running 10ks was a massive milestone for me and that's where i think you you look at running as a sport and the progression you can get from it and you can see yourself evolved and adapt and it's like you think about it it's like oh i'm on k6 well now i'm on k8 last week i couldn't do 4ks what i'm okay why don't i just go to k10 and you're watching yourself in real time battle these thoughts that are against you but overcoming them and i think from a growth point of view in in any sort of aspect you can see yourself evolve at a really rapid rate i think people yes they're addicted to the running aspect but i think a lot of people are addicted to the growing as well and overcoming and you said before it's like you challenge all the head noise going through your head as well.

9:13It's like, you know, K4 versus K8. K4, you're up and about. They're like, I'm on softball. How good is this? I can't be crushed. K8's like, stop, please. Let it end. And then, so I think you're having those little battles over the journey and you just go, well, I'm actually getting better at this. It's becoming easier. Let's just go to the next level.

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11:37you're not training any speed work but you're running a sub 19 minute 5k 107 kegs 107 kegs moving and grooving thick and quick do you do you see any other people of your size running times like that no no you call yourself the heavyweight running pound sorry let me just rephrase that the pound for pound world heavyweight running champion right pound for pound. Do you think, it's actually an interesting, it's an interesting thought. Like, are there, are there, how many people in the world at 107 kilos do you reckon can run a sub 19 minute 5K? It's an interesting one because I don't think you'd get many.

12:16And then you look at it more. It's like, how many of them can do, you know, marathons at a specific rate. That's where I'm going with all this, Ben, is that if and when, and I know you've got some connections for me, but I'm talking to people at Oxford University, right? To create me some sort of conversion, right? So whatever I've done, let's say my 1846 would be a sub 15 5K if I was 60 kilos, right? I see, yeah, yeah. You see what I mean? And again, it's a very jovial way to go about it, but I would like to see what would be an honest and fair answer to that because you think about it, all the elites, what do they look like?

12:54The rakes. Rakes, right? But now if you want, the way that I'm going on this spend is that I want running to be entertaining. Running when you watch it on TV, is it entertaining for you? It could be more entertaining. Okay. And the reason, exactly right. And the reason why I spend is because no matter what pace you're running at, right, you just, you kind of just look like you're slowing in motion, right? It's not really like groundbreaking stuff as opposed to maybe some abstract, right? But if you could bring more people to the sports spend, and I'm in the entertainment business, right? If you could have a subsection where the camera's pan to these absolute big dogs going at it, the crowd would erupt, right?

13:35And it's just, it's, you know, London Marathon, right? You've got all the elites going off. Wow. These guys are doing crazy stuff. I respect that. But oh my God, if you give 10 seconds of footage to a bunch of blokes that are half an impromptu that probably eaten 30 gels by K7, right? It's such a, like, hang on a sec. Why are there not weight categories in running. And I know you, have you, if you think about it, like obviously the times would be slower, but it would be awesome to watch a bunch of 90 kilo dudes racing. 100 kilos, Spen. What are the Olympics doing? Genuinely, that is actually really interesting.

14:08You think about Spen, you think about sponsorships, you think about brands, you think about events, right? It's like you, if we, I always say this, right? If you take away weight classes in MMA and boxing, who's going to win? The heavy guys. The heavy, right? Imagine, what are you weighing in Spen? I'm about 83 kilos. Okay, I would maul you, right? Well, hang on a second. I'm coming up on my purple belt. Are you BJJ? Are you Jits? Yeah. Oh, shit, respect. But if we reverse you in Muay Thai boxing, who do you think would win? Oh, I think you'd probably, you know, you'd have the advantage for sure.

14:37But it wouldn't be, as a big guy, that wouldn't be fun to watch all the time. So, it'd be like, it's just the big guys smashing the little guys. But if you had it in, we've got subsections of guys, you'd create a whole new thing. It's actually, I'm not just, I'm not being funny. Like, what the hell? What the hell? it's done by age isn't it it's also the first time that's the first time genuinely the first time I've ever thought about this watching watching like 15 100 kilo lads racing a 5k at the Olympics would be absolutely epic you can imagine the standing up in the arena I bet you'd find some quite fast I mean you're quite fast but I reckon you'd find some like genetic genetically gifted people who are and I'd be all for it because you'd be like you'd be watching these big guys We must make a play for this.

15:23Hey, this is what I'm talking about. This is actually a business deal for me, right? So it's an investor, right? So you've come on here. I'm pitching this to you. I think we're doing some other speaking thing. My point is this, right, Sven? I'm trying. It is interesting. But Sven, you've got to look at it. Because you know what? Sorry to keep interrupting you. I'm actually just so excited. Because, like, you know, I'm just using my brother as an example again. My brother says to me, oh, well, you know, if you want to run your 245, you need to lose 10 kilos. And I'm like, why? Personally, I don't think I do need to lose 10 kilos.

15:56You need to lose maybe a little bit. But why should people have to sacrifice their strength? They should be allowed to say - It should be an advantage. But also they should be allowed to say, no, I'm entering the 85 kilo, 5K category. And I want to be strong. I don't want to have to sacrifice my strength to be a fast runner. 100%. And where I've gone with this is I've created the heavyweight running division right and it's it's worldwide i've got guys that are messaging me in poland i've got guys that are messaging me in samoa right yeah yeah big dogs everywhere i've even had to then create a subdivision right not a subdivision it's a division where you graduate so the heavyweight running division is 100 kilos 220 plus to be able to enter and compete in but guys are gradually going to lose weight which is fantastic so where do they go they go in the 90 to 99 kg and it's called the big dog running division so they graduate and go in there and And guess what it is, Spent?

16:49It's a place where you can compete. It's healthy, comparable competition where you go, I want to beat that ogre-looking bloke. I look like an ogre. Let's go to battle. And guess who wins? You.

17:03Besides me, Spent, because it's not meant to be about me. I'm trying my hardest not to make it up. Don't worry. We've created the untapped games basically all around me. I didn't want to say anything, Spent, but you said it first. But do you know what I mean, Spent? It creates an opportunity to go, well, hang on a minute. I can get out the door now because I'm seeing that bloke that looks like me do it. Ta-da. I'm now feeling a little bit better about myself. I'm now losing a little bit of weight. You could cross categorize as well because it may be that, you know, people are heavyweight champ and like, you know, light heavyweight champ and heavyweight champ because they go cross category.

17:35Yes. Cross weight category. Yeah. You know, who says that the 75 kilo dude couldn't win in a 60 kilo category? You couldn't be the king of both. Exactly right. And then they could go exactly like go up and down like they do in the UFC. But if I challenge you, Spen, we would agree upon like a conversion, right? Like a weight. Weight to, yeah, exactly right. Me and you, Battersea. You have to make weight. You've got to make weight. And you've got to imagine that, like the big photo, like Jordan Stanton, 107 kilos in the heavyweight running division, like bang, top off. It's actually like, it's, I can't think of anything that would be more viral than putting on a heavyweight 5K race.

18:09Do you know who I know you're friends with? Who? Eddie Hearn. Yeah, yeah. Right? Eddie, if you're listening to this, which I don't think you will be, but I'm just saying - Oh, he will be. Sign me up and I'm ready to go to bring the heavyweights on the global map. Listen, you've heard it already, but I think it's a tremendous idea. I actually didn't realize that you were kind of wanting to create. I thought it was kind of more of a joke. Spen, I am the power-bound heavyweight running champion. I'm not just a status, I'm a symbol, right? I've gone to Battersea Park and you know what I've asked them to do?

18:38It's called Club 100s, right? I'm going to get a hundred blokes that weigh a hundred, a hundred plus kilos. We're going to run a hundred meters a hundred times. Right. And it's going to be like little relays and they're going to go around the ass track together. And all I can think about is how hilarious it would be to have a hundred blokes that weigh a hundred kilos running around an athletics track at one time. And they're just like, Oh wow. We're all, we're all actually doing this. I really like it. You're in. I'm in. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to come up to a hundred. No, no, I know.

19:08I just need your cash spent. and I say, I don't actually need you. Like, please, mate. This show's about me. Okay, so I'll silently back it. Yes, that's right. Okay. You can't be in the media or anything, Sven, because you don't look the fit. You've got to be a big guy. And also, I wouldn't want to take any of your limelight. This is about you. You've invited me here, so I was just making sure that it was about me and not you. Shall we? I think we should go for a 5K. I'd love to. By the way, you're like 18... 46. 46, mate. It's fast. And guess what shoes I did in? What kind of shoes? Your shoes.

19:47The Adidas Primes. My man. I was going to ask if you'd use Prime X. Why do you think? Because we're heavy. Because we're big dogs. Oh, God. Honestly. And guess what? Oh, you can't even wear that. Brother, do I ever look like I'm ever going to be elite? So you think we're going to win marathons? I might. You know what? If the heavyweight division goes global, which it will now, because you've got the backing of Spencer Matthews, which is fantastic, right? we might have to put a couple of caveats in but I'm just saying Spem caveats I get a lot of caveats caveats I've just run 100 miles in the moment I know yeah yeah yeah I'm getting too excited here we've got to bring it back in but I'm just saying Spem that you know we will go together 5k you and I Battersea Park I know the loop and guess who has to be there I know the loop Skull Beast of course yeah yeah it's it's I learned something quite frightening in nature.

20:37In order to achieve this 245 that Scully and I are targeting, which is like, he could do, you know, cartwheeling. I have to be able to run, like, I think you said, a 1720 5K. Which is... It's pretty fast. It's like, I'm nowhere near that, by the way. I think, I'm going to go and run a fast 5K at the weekend. I hope to, I hope to crack 18. But I'm not, I haven't raced one in, like... What shoes? Oh, my trusted the Prime X3s. You know, listen, you realize we had Seb Coe on this podcast who's the head of World Athletics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said to him, I was like, you know, am I legally allowed to wear these inofficial races?

21:15And he was like, yeah. He was like, as far as I'm aware, you're not a professional athlete. I was like, yeah, cool. Great. So that settles that. You know, I have aspirations, fans. That's why I am. This is also another pitch. I'm just using this to leverage as much as I can to get Master Scully to train me to run a sub-17.5k-er at 100 kilos. Don't worry about you running at 240. Sub-17. Quietly, that's what I'm going for as well. So why don't we just do that together? All right. I'm looking for a 1650. I need a 1652. Well, same shit, isn't it? Exactly. We'll do it together. Yeah. All right. Cool.

21:50Mate, you can join our sessions. The more the merrier. Scully likes a firm, committed mind. That's all that like, as long as you're not, which I'm not suggesting you would, like as long as you take it seriously listen to him and you're disciplined he'll train anyone it's when you start to like fuck around and bend the rules that he starts to go like listen you know you're wasting my time not that he's ever said that to me but he would be quite firm on just doing what he says there's nothing more that I love getting in the trenches I don't think that I could run not at this I'd have to lose legitimately I'd probably have to lose five kilos which is a shame which is a shame but I'd still be 102 so I'm still in the heavyweight running division but I'm showing people right I ain't leaving the division But I'm showing people, Sven, that I'm going to do it this size and then I'm going to go into the big dog running division because I want blokes that are following me and following my journey to go, okay, well.

22:40Is big dog the one below it? Big dog running division is the one below it, correct. Which is 80 to 100? 90 to 99.9. Okay. And what about where would 83? I don't have time to worry about you smaller guys, man. I've got to worry about the top dogs and then I'll come down a little bit later. Okay, okay, fine. Just, yeah, I'll lead the charge on, say, that category, the kind of 83 kilo category. I'm looking, you could be an ambassador for me. Thank you. Yeah. Well, I'm delighted all of a sudden that I don't have to lose 15 kilos. Yeah. You know, to compete with my mates who run 15 minute 5Ks. Do you know how many messages I get from people like being like, mate, how is this not a thing?

23:15And I truly believe, and I get it, right? I respect the ancient custodial rules of the running people and the running purists, right? But I just think, brother, we're in the entertainment business. Like, let's get people to the sport. You get a whole different look. you know everyone complaining about prize money in in running if you got more people to the sport what does that mean spend more eyes more prize money mate is it really that difficult listen i didn't realize you were such genius let's uh the big head let's go let's go into some just running specific stuff and then i want to talk to you about the ultra you just did and i'd like to talk to you about sleep let's do it what are the biggest mistakes you think heavy runners make when they first start?

23:56Mileage spend. Like you're kidding yourself. All the plans and everything are directed at blokes half our size. How the hell can you expect to go from couch to nothing and all of a sudden just be jacking up doing 30, 40 Ks, right? All the heavyweights that I train and advice I give to, I'm like, gym first. Gym is always going to be a higher ROI than any run that you can do in the adolescent phase of your running career as a big guy, right? If you are, the reason why from a psychological point of view, if you are constantly sore spend, what are you going to do? You don't want to do it. Give up.

24:26You want to give up, right? Big guys, the hardest part for a run is a big fella. By the way I'm answering all the questions here, it's all getting redirected. What are you going to do? You're going to give up. Yeah, that's right. You're going to give up. It's all part of it. It's all part of the point. But the hardest part of our big fella is actually getting out the front door spin, right? So I want them to go, well, if I can go out there and I feel good from this, I'm seeing my progressional journey get better, I might go on Thursday. I might go on Saturday. So the biggest thing that the biggest misconception that people think is you don't need more mileage as a big guy.

24:57You just need your sessions to really count. And what about shoes? Take me through shoes. What do you, what do you wear most of the time? What, what do you, do you, do you run slow recovery runs? Like, do you have a mix of shoes that you use? I did a, I did a real recently going through all my shoes and it did really well. Cause that's the number one question that I get asked for my slow case, easy case. I've also run the length of the UK in these bad boys, the New Balance 1080s, right? They're really good, just big thick. We need wider shoes, right? So those are my slowest shoes. I'm big on Asics now as well.

25:29The Nova Blast has been fantastic for me, just more pushing for the cushion. So that's all my more slower stuff. As I start to get into my faster stuff, I use the Mega Blasts. I've recently bought the Endorphin Speed II, the Cicconis too light brother once you get a taste of the good life for the Adidas prime times Endorphin Speed 2 or Endorphin Elite 2 Elite 2 Elite 2 sorry I'm not as geeky with the technical stuff with the terminology I'm just me buy shoe me think fast right but I wore those too soft too soft but I was crunching them down on a bloody treadmill and I was like these should be quick then I tested them out in real life and got that one wrong but once I said what happened to you when you used those just in passing when a shoe is not as stable for you, not as firm?

26:15Do you feel your weight kind of crushing through the shoes? Ben, I'm creating an earthquake every step, right? You think about the shock that is going up through my legs, right? When I'm transferring big power here, I feel it straight away. That's why your 1080s and I guess more of the shoes that can absorb more of the blows, they feel better for you economically. And that's why I always say to big guys, like if you're planning to run a marathon, I would never recommend buying carbon shoes unless you're probably, as a big fellow, you're probably looking at maybe a sub-four-hour marathon. You just got to do way too much damage to yourself because you've got to train in them as well, right?

26:52You think about shin splints and knee pain. The instability is terrible. And the New Balance Fuel Elites were the first carbons that I got that felt like they could handle this big gluteus maximus. And the Prime X3s? The Prime X3s, they're just the god tier. They are top shelf spin. and I love those ones. Those ones, Ben, I felt like you can just, can't you just really feel it? It's crazy. It's a real good feeling. It's a real good. And you know what? I remember I did, I call it the devil's dance three times. Three times. I like, everyone's like, I just like to make it a bit more like movie-esque and find something.

27:33I'm like, I'm about to do the devil's dance. Three times 10 kilometers at marathon pace with one kilometer floats in the middle, right? Three times 10K with 1K float. Yeah. Wow. That's some sesh. Yeah. The devil's dance, right? The last one. And I put the Adidas Primes in. And when I did that, I was like, this is too easy. Isn't it? It's too easy. If I ever need like a wild like confidence boost. You need a confidence boost. Sometimes. Hey, listen, we're all human. Yeah. The sessions don't always go according to plan, right? and it's kind of i i can be i can leave the house 95 confident that the run is going to feel better and easier than anticipated in those shoes yes and so you think about it's when you know when you're lacing them up there's a certain like little shuffle that i do i'm like oh come on now it's you can kind of really feel that they're just full of good tech you know like you can feel immediately that shit loads of work and research has gone into making that shoe you know and it feels incredible it's like i genuinely feel like that thing was made for my foot like it just fits it's like a sock like tremendous rock in the front which i love i love a big aggressive rock um lovely and firm you know plate and rods just you know you can just feel like this thing is dynamite.

29:01And economically as well, it's crazy the amount of purchase that I get. It's just bang, bang, bang, bang, and you go again, you go again. Outside of the right shoe, what do you think as a heavier person makes the most difference when running? Cadence, right? Don't overstride. The reason why I'm really, really quick, I'm a little piddle paddle feet, right? But I don't ever get injured spend because I stay in almost like I envision like a box, right? And I kind of just stay in this little box. And as I lose weight, yes, I increase my stride length and I'm like, oh my God, I'm fucking fast, right?

29:39But leading up to that, I just stay in my box because I don't want to get injured because when I've over strided, I'm transferring mass amounts of power from each leg. My groins take a beating, right? And I can feel it straight away. So any heavyweight runner, And I always say, you've got to be really economical. And because I've run with so many of them, we always, we kind of like shuffle from the hips, right? We like, you waddle, right? Until you lose a little bit more weight then you know waddle is bad, right? I got a lot of junk in the trunk as well. So I've got to make sure I'm carrying that.

30:07But the biggest thing is your cadence. You just need to worry about your short stepping and stay almost within a box because that will prevent a lot of injuries as well.

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32:24For somebody that looks at running culture now and just doesn't feel it clicks with them, you know, somebody potentially listening now who just thinks, well, I'm just not a runner, right? What would you advise their very first session to be if they wanted to get into it? You've got to look at their psychology straight away, Spen, and tell them that running is for everybody because they'll be coming with all these cloud of thoughts being like, I don't look like this person, I look like this person. And I would just say, why don't you just go out there and go for a run walk, right? Run for a little bit.

32:55You're going to be tired. Explain to them the emotions that they're going to be going through as well. It's going to be hard, right? But it gets easier. That's the first thing that I would say. I wouldn't say go out there and just go on, give me 10, you know, no, go out there, run for a kilometer, run for 800 meters, walk a little bit. Right. And just see where the body, how the body feels. And you'd, you'd pre warn them that it's going to be hard. It's going to be difficult, but everyone has got to start somewhere. And I think the reason why people find it a lot more difficult to probably get into running Spanish, just because of the oversaturation of it being posted about online.

33:28Right. God forbid you can't run a marathon this day and age, God forbid you can't run a fast 5k. It's because it's just in your face. So, and we're all, everyone's online. We're chronically addicted to being online, right? You can't avoid all that. And once your algorithm starts hitting that, you're thinking, well, what's the point, right? Why it's, it's the, the barrier to entry to the sport seems to be really, really high at the best of times because I feel like everyone just overexerts what they're really doing and they don't break it down. I always tell people, and I looked at your stats here, Spen, I'm probably the slowest runner you've had on this podcast.

34:03Probably the slowest. Not over 5K or not. Not over 5K, but I would say in general, right, I'd probably be the worst ranked if you could like amalgamate a score. You're faster than Sean Conway, by the way. Oh, thank you. In the 5K. That gives me hope. Yeah, mate, he did 103 Ironmen in 103 days. I've got him covered. He's an athlete and you're faster than him over 5K. He can't crack 20 minutes, which I have to say I was quite astounded by. Yeah. Because he's thin and light and he runs a lot. So I think if you were to pay some attention to it, he probably could, but he just hasn't for some reason.

34:36Yeah, send him my way. I'll look after him, right? I can fit about a fee. But I'm saying, sorry, I'll finish off with that. It's just that I think that people this day and age find a lot more difficult to get in when if you just toss the phones in the water and you went out for a run, you'd find that it's a lot more easy than it is. Yeah, I get asked that question sometimes. I just say, you know, literally anything over a walk is great. I started out literally by, you know, if you were to walk quickly next to me when I went jogging, when I first started, then you'd be, that'd be fine. Like a, like a kind of, like an army march style thing, but a jog, just like a super slow, just moving.

35:12Just something. Moving. Give me something. I literally would say to people, if you did that for, for two hours, you know, just like a, like slightly more than walking, just a slight jog and you went out for two hours, you'd be clocking 18K or something. Easily. You know what I mean? 18, 19K. And it's like, how's that going to make you feel? You know, and I don't mean like jogging. I mean, just moving a little faster than a walk. So you're not under any cardiovascular strain, really. You're not putting your body under any kind of physicality, really. You know, you're not putting loads, driving loads of weight as you're describing through your muscles and your groin.

35:48You know, you're just moving. And then you get home and you've, you've, you've ran 18K. 100%. Not saying you should go and run 18K for your first time, but you know, just, just getting out there using that methodology and running five or 6k you know it might take you 30 minutes 35 minutes whatever but it's it's it's better than nothing my girlfriend at the moment she's not a runner right she's into her fashion hence you know you look you look tremendous the get up i look like you know i've just come straight from the berghain as well so i actually that's hilarious you said that i thought that as well when you walked in i thought like the the word berghain came to mind only because my wife talks about it sometimes and i thought he'd get into berghain Oh, I could be the bouncer there as well.

36:28And either or. Also was. Yeah. We're friends here, Sven. You can be honest with me. If we're going to train together. I think you look great. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. My girlfriend styles me. But my point is this. She is doing walks at the moment. She's training for training. She is excited to do a 50K walk, right? And she's starting her journey and she's just crunching through walks. And she's loving it. And she's feeling good. She doesn't like running. Awesome. But she loves walking and she does a bit of a power walk. Sometimes I can't keep up with her. She's faster than me, right?

36:54But my point is that she comes home and she feels good. So if you can replicate that feeling each time, you're going to go, okay, well, why don't I push a little bit more and ta-da, now you might start shuffling the legs a little bit more. So you've got a great big goal of cracking 17 minutes on the 5K. How did you arrive at that time? Because, Ben, I'm at the crossroads, right? I'm at the crossroads. Do I go and eat a sub-three-hour marathon for breakfast or do I stick with the fast stuff and show the world just how thick and quick I am, right? This is a kind of, again, we go back to that this year I'm just fucking around and finding out as much as possible.

37:32But my overarching training program is always prioritizing the gym. Like, I cannot stress that enough because - You lift a lot, yeah? Lift a lot. Yeah, yeah. Or just legs, right? Legs. Yeah, yeah. Legs. I'm actually not that strong up top. If you and I went to the little outdoor gym, you'd show me up big time right I'm thick down here Spen I gotta I gotta I gotta do it where it counts right but I know that every time I go to the gym in my mind I'm thinking well this is equivalent as a big fella as a really good run now I feel more pain when I do the speed sessions as I would to a very very long easy run so me knowing that I've got to then rationalize well what am I going to pick and choose to get where I want to actually get to and the reason why I've a sub-17 5K is because I just think that's an absolutely outrageous goal to do at this size, but of course I'm going to do it.

38:21It's outrageous in my opinion for any size. That's fast, fast. You need to get your... I need Master Scully is what I need. I mean, achieving it without Master Scully is going to be rough, you know? I think about this, Ben, right? This is what I thought about. Master Scully's CV would be so stacked with unbelievable accolades, but imagine somewhere he's going down for a big job interview. I don't know what he's going to be doing with his life. He's a master scully. And on there, it's this big black, you know, a dotted line. I have coached the world pound for pound heavyweight running champion to a sub-17, 5K.

38:54That sells. Not coaching good-looking chiseled dudes to sub-245. It's been done, right? It's been done. I don't know how many good-looking blokes I see right around Battersea Park or Chiseled Orchip are giving me the nods. I'm like, yeah, yeah, good. But imagine that on his CV, the world pound for pound heavyweight running champion. I'm gonna I will personally pitch it to him okay as soon as we've finished here can you maybe could I ask something a little bit put us in a group whatsapp right and we can just see how it plays out I'd be delighted listen I'm spending all morning with him tomorrow from 9 until 12 we're filming in Battersea Park I know the place why don't you come and meet him I would spend if there's ever an opportunity to get me I've realised now my talking's not going to get me there it's listening we'll open up the doors and I'll get there to Master Scully go Master Scully think about the CV What is he, a 209 marathoner?

39:43Yeah, 209. I mean, that or coaching a 106-kilo bloke to a sub-17 5K. It's kind of the same thing. Listen, I would pay to see that. Then I would. Genuinely, if I could witness a 107-kilo man running a 1650-something. 52. I would be so entertained. And no paces spent. But genuinely, that's television worthy. I genuinely believe that you'd be the fastest 107 kilo man over 5k on earth. By miles, I would have thought. Okay, let's go back to Master's Curse. Genuinely, this is actually great fun. We should document this as well as a podcasting. We should follow this journey as a YouTube thing. I like it.

40:31Can we also just mention that I'm also... We've got so many YouTube things. We literally have like four channels. We actually have days to upload stuff. I'm trying my hardest. We actually don't have any slots for the year, but we'll try. We're always theorizing. I'm just trying to mention that I'm trying to make this about me, but it's also very difficult. I'm trying to make about the heavyweight running division. No, no, but I think this very much helps the heavyweight running division because it's inspiring. What else? What else about what else? Recently, you've walked in here. It took you about, you know, 63 seconds to sit down.

41:05Why are you so stiff? What have you been up to? on the weekend span i did the impossible right 106 kilos 107 kilos i think i was i did 200 kilometers at a backyard ultra by mac yard events these boys are up and coming they're the misfits of running i'm big on them and they they had an arena for me that just had the energy for me to go there's a couple big names there hardest geese yeah the the geese was that yeah he's good man yeah yeah well Well, you could say I beat him, but he dropped out. Well. Yeah, I know, but it's like, I don't want to be like, I beat the hardest geezer. Well, it's like dropping out doesn't just remove the fact that you entered the race, you know?

41:46Yeah, I know, but I love the geese, and he's a weapon. I've never seen a man run through the darkness with Oakley sunglasses on. I think it's kind of counterintuitive, but he's just like there for the pavement. But I ran. Why did the geese pull out? He was, I think that he was. Well, no, it was a hot day, so Saturday and Sunday. And I think the heat might have got to him as well because he wasn't eating properly, like towards the back end. With backyard ultras, just for those that listen, I'm sure your community knows, right? But it's 6.7 kilometres on the hour, every hour. It's a game of eating, right?

42:20But at the Red Ridge Cycling Centre was 100 metres of elevation per lap. So I did about 3 ,500 metres of elevation over 30 hours of running. You're a beast, mate. This is some good stuff. Great stuff. Mate, listen, we don't need to dwell on the fact, but you've beaten the hardest geezer at an endurance event. 100%. Listen, you can play your cards wrong, you know, and you get tripped up and you don't finish, and that's that, you know? That is a DNF. And I came second. What do you think the guy that came first, what do you reckon his weight class was? Like some irritating Olympic marathon thing.

42:5760 kilos. 60 to 70 kilos, yeah. So what do you even call that? Flyweights. We call them the flyweights. Flyweights. Yeah, and look, you know, not that I'm out to crush the flyweights, but I'm out to beat the flyweights. Yeah, and it's, you know, were this to be a fight, you know, we all know who'd win. Don't even tell me, trust me. I'll tell you what. We need to. It's running. We need to, but we must level the playing field. Thank you, Spen. That's all I'm after. And as the first investor ride into the heavyweight running, If you could just clarify exactly what I'm investing in and where my ROI would come from, that would be great.

43:34Talk pen and paper later. Yeah. Put it in the space, Ben. You know, you go to, I don't know, you go to Annabelle's or some fancy lunch and you're talking with all your investor mates. I've actually renounced my membership. Okay, don't worry about them. Somewhere else, right, Sven? You're in a room full of investors. Everyone's like, I'm investing in - Arts club. Arts club, right? I'm investing in AI, all this boring stuff. You go, I'm investing in the heavyweight running division. Everyone's like, the what? the heavyweight running division. What are you doing? I'm getting 100 kilo blokes and I'm making them run.

44:02That right there is something that is going to be worth listening to. That sounds like some gladiator thing. It is. You just making them run. It's used to. It's actually, it's really, it's super smart. I don't understand. Like, heavy people love running too. Like, and the funny thing, I'm kind of in the middle of this, right? You are. It's sort of like, I'm bang in the middle of it. like you literally are back in the middle but but also like for me i'm pretty fast for my size you are fast so it's kind of like wouldn't it be fun to be right at the front of your division thank you instead of like miles slower than all these 63 kilo dudes and you don't want to be a 63 kilo dude exactly right and you think about right look at the leaderboard right again this is where it gets a little bit tricky though because on game day and race day how are you going to adjudicate that we need scales and stuff like that like a bloke's going to be skull and water or you know whatever it is we will iron out the nuts and bolts later but i'm just saying if you had a worldwide leaderboard right and it would be mate like there's so there's so much you can do with it spent and my mind constantly just goes around around me like this idea this idea now you guys got me on for a big youtube series i'm signing big deals right but my point is that There's so much to go with it and it'd be so fun.

45:21And guess what we're helping out? We're helping out men at the front door. Yeah, we are. Male loneliness epidemic. Guys don't feel like they've got communities. Guys don't feel like they're able to see or be heard. Guess what? We've got something for you. Welcome to the division. I did a series in Battersea Park. The reason why I saw you so much is because every morning I'd go down to Battersea Park and anybody would come run with me, any heavyweight, right? I'd get randoms. By the way, they're randoms from the internet. They would feel that they could come down and run with me. and the whole session is all about them.

45:48I'd ask them all about them and I'd learn and I'd listen to all the problems that us big guys are going through and it's all the exact same stuff. We just want healthy, comparable competition to be able to go out the front door and train towards something. You become a better person over the journey of it spent. You can see yourself develop and grow. You can see yourself, shit, I couldn't run 10Ks. Three months down, I'm signing for a half marathon. When I meet with these guys, the first thing I do, I'm like, you're signing up for an event. You're signing up for something. Guys message me, print screen me, Jordan.

46:15I'm signing up for a half marathon I'm signing up for a marathon guess what you're going to do now brother you got to go train right it's it's healthy I'm going to get Scully to make you the fastest heavy man alive do you want to know what Chad GBT thinks your time would be if you weighed 60k what do you got for us so I had to ask you a few different things of course at one point it said you would run it in 11 minutes which obviously that's what I'm saying it needs a well I mean that's a good sign isn't it yeah I'm lightning quick If you could just snap your fingers and weigh 60kgs now, I reckon you'd run a 16-20 5k.

46:52Bullshit. I reckon it's sub-15. What? I mean, yeah. Type around with a little bit more. Yeah. Just change that, will you, Simon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Try Claude. Don't just try Chachi. We're doing all the AI stuff. Well, 16-20 is pretty good. Spend. Sub-15. All right. I mean, yeah. My mate, Alex Winchester, right, who does nothing but, and he'll listen to this, so he will be delighted. he's been mentioned because I don't think we've mentioned him before and he does listen to the show he doesn't get upset but he does listen to the show he ran a 15 like 30 that's quick what's he waiting in at last night and he came first because he raced in some I was about to say elderly category but like people of my age basically just like you know he was racing against like 35 plus I think again age group I don't want to hear age group no no you want age group or no age group no age group I want weight class Weight class.

47:45Is he flyweight? Is he featherweight? Bantamweight? What is he? Oh, he's a light old thing. Okay, so he's a featherweight. Wow. What's the lightest? I'd say he weighs, he'll be disgusted with me if this is right. I'd say he weighs about 60 kilos. Yeah. Yeah. It's about half of you. So I could eat him for brekkie? I would have thought that if you wrapped him up in a burrito, you could make light of him in a single meal. Bit of sauce on top. Yeah, lovely. Done. I went to like a Colombian cafe yesterday after physio and had a scrambled egg and chorizo breakfast burrito with beans in it and cheese and all kinds of shit.

48:25It was fucking lovely. Yeah, yeah. And it kind of reminded me of Alex Winchester's weight. Okay. Yeah. So you're... No allergies, of course, for you, Sven. No, no, no. No, just shit chat. You know, I'm not that into. but you know and also kind of small talk I don't love yeah you know you know Spen over the journey we've met each other a couple of times I'm sure you would have recognised my face yes and I had no idea I don't know you're on a TV show I didn't know right Dead Set made in what South West London that's it yeah that's the one that's the one that is South West London and I remember seeing you at the local cafe and I won't mention it because I don't want people to come down there and have to do autographs and stuff like that no no and I remember seeing you Spen I looked at you you kind of looked at you and you're like I was like, fuck, he really doesn't want me to speak to him.

49:12So I'm like, hey, mate, you're like, hey. And I'm going, all good, brother. That was the end there. But I persisted. Look at me now, Spen. You're an investor in the heavyweight running division. Mate, well, I'm a co-founder, I think. I can be a quiet, I can be a silent partner. Yeah, investor sounds a bit, you know, I need some kind of title. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're a big dog investor. Yeah, perfect. I do. I think it's fucking great. One thing I do, I respect two things about you, and that's why I think our magnetic energy connected. One, I love seeing you train around Battersea Park.

49:44You've always got a big smile on your face and going after it. And the second reason is I always love seeing you when you're with the family. Like it's actually really wholesome. We love that park. Yeah. You're always there with the kids. You've always got the scooters out, got the balls out and stuff like that. I'm like, wow. I see a dad that trains his ass off, gets after it. Good family man. So I do appreciate that for you, brother. I really do. My brother. Yeah. It's cool. It's cool to watch. We are 38? 37. 37, sorry. 38 in August, though. Okay, I had it right. Not according to Whoop. Oh, of course.

50:14Whoop's got me down in mid-20s or something. You're looking. Fab. Yeah. I wish, you know, we can send rockets to Mars and stuff, but it would be nice if they could make hair thicker. Ooh, are you self-conscious about something? Not self-conscious, it's just a bit thin. You know, it would be nice to have a big fat, you know, mop. And I used to think that hair transplants came from the hair of other people. so I used to think that you know perhaps I could get some really lovely thick you know black you know hair off some you know young gentleman with you know a really thick head of hair and apparently that doesn't work I just thought well I just have more I just have some of my own hair from my own head yeah reposition I was like that shit my own hair is thin that works I want like some fucking like legendary you know you want like Maradona like yeah you know when you walk past someone in the street and they've just got like this fucking like you're unsure how they could even run a comb through it right and you're just like you know I'd want a bit of that yeah yeah a bit of zest whack here's a blank check brother just I want that yeah yeah well what you're looking for is a wig yeah yeah yeah a wig yeah no that yeah those do exist don't they yeah yeah can we just get these four guys to line up number four I'm gonna have some of your sideburns with some of your yeah Hugh Granty cowlick oh I've got a story about Hugh Grant.

51:34Do you ever listen to the show? I would say no, but I'm - One of us, maybe. You love this story. So at our local cafe, which we attend all the time, I was very, very excited about them signing, them agreeing to giving me all these baked goods to my first backyard ultra, right? And they gave me like 10 armor croissants, like just everything a big guy can dream of, right? I'm going in there and they've given me this big crate and I'm talking, I'm yapping, you know. Well, the cafe did. The cafe did, yeah. Did they really? Yeah, yeah, they love me there. I'm a big deal down there they gave you some of the almond croissants they're fucking delicious yeah they're delicious I got about 10 of them they gave them to you Spen I was about to run a whole backyard ultra I need a carb load well I may as well just tell them that I'm running every day no but you're the second most famous person in Battersea I'm the first pair yeah of course so I roll in there behind Rose Harvey yeah I'm in there I'm putting on a big show and everyone's going really quiet I'm like oh Jordan it's Hugh Grant I'm like oh wow what an opportunity because I'm doing some content down there what an opportunity to go up to him to pitch him the heavyweight division close to ask him to be in my video.

52:34Right. And I don't know if you know this. I know plenty about you and I can't wait to hear what he said to you. You'll love this. I go up there. I've got my tray. I look like almost like that. I'm a, you know, a waitress. I'm like Hooters. I'm going over there. I'm like, oh, Hugh, I'm about to run a backyard ultra. Do you want to get a photo and video with me? And he looked at me, pulls his glasses down. He goes, mate, I would hate that. I've gone, no worries, mate. And because I worded up the girls indoors. I worded up the girls indoors to come out and get a photo with me. They're looking at me like little meerkats.

53:03And I'm like, he doesn't want the photo. I've had to go around. I'm then filming content. He's looking at me. I'm like, I'm down here, district cafe. And like Hugh Grant is there just hating every moment. And I've actually looked at him. I'm going, fuck, I'm so sorry, man. I just walked off. No, he's. Not a like of people, I hear.

53:25He's usually moody when I see him. Are you mates with him? No, not really. Okay. so if you're getting rejected that gives me hope he used to be no he used to live he used to live quite close to my brother so I would I would see him relatively often also our kids go to the same schools plural right so like the the the like the nursery and so I see him a fair amount at like school drops and he's yeah he's not he's not like the friendlier but I don't think people need to all be insanely friendly to each other you know whatever like one of my best friends nowadays is also one of the school dads and yeah for a long time we didn't talk to each other we'd see each other every day and we just walked past each other and then one day we spoke and we're like actually we really like each other yeah um you know sounds like our journey as well yeah we're getting there slowly i was wearing these uh i was wearing these nike uh year of the tiger like um uh jordan lowe's on my way to school and they've just they're tiger print they're like like cream with tiger print.

54:25And I was wearing those with like jeans and a white t-shirt or something. And I went to pick up my kids from school and I crossed Hugh on the way, like in this quite small passageway. So we literally had to basically brush shoulders on the way. And he was walking, just head down, just ignoring me or whoever. And then he caught a glimpse of my shoes and he literally like, he caught a glimpse of the tiger shoes and he went,

54:55and then he walked past me I nearly turned around and went these are the year of the Tiger Limited Jordan Lowe's mate what do you know yeah like what do you know yeah nothing okay so if this if he was listening it's not just I the most famous person in Battersea it's also I'm afraid it happens to the best of us I'm glad we got I'm glad we got that out but yeah that scarred me that scarred me he's I still like him. I like him. I respect him so much, Ben. The fact that he looked at me and glasses down, mate, I would hate. I would hate that. Not even like a, oh, no, sorry, mate. It's like, I would hate that.

55:33I'm like, there's like venom on that last word. Hate that. I've gone. I knew actually when you started telling the story that that would be his worst nightmare. Great. I loved it. I was looking forward to him. Put it this way, he wouldn't be investing in the division, but you know, he's. But like, you can't expect people like dear Hugh to understand, to understand, you know, what this division could bring to the world. Mate, we are, yeah, you know, we're thick and quick. We're large and in charge. Just some words that probably Hugh couldn't really. Large and in charge. Couldn't resonate with, I don't think, down there.

56:04But if I see him again, he's actually quite big though. He's already about 6 '1". Yeah. He's, yeah, we'll just, yeah. I'll let him know. You know, we don't need to be who we are and also liked by, and appreciated by Hugh Grant, you know, that we can't have everything. Of course, Ben. I appreciate you. I feel like you're mentoring me really well. This has been great. Thank you, mate. I can see this business partnership. I love it. And listen, we'll get Scully on board tomorrow morning. Let's just, we'll approach him. We'll get him at the right time. Yeah. My darling Jordan. Talk to me, Sven. What is, what's the fastest and most efficient way to build running confidence?

56:38Great question. The fastest way as a big man? As a larger person. A larger person. Okay, cool. We'll do it for the heavyweights. I truly believe the hardest thing is also as well the way you dress, the way you look. That's a massive psychological thing. I look at myself sometimes and before I just go out for a run, I go, shit, I don't look good. I don't feel good. That's a big barrier as well psychologically because you know when you're out there that people are going to be looking at you. That's really normal. So you've got to get over the fact when you get out there, you're actually doing something to better yourself, whether it's a fast walk or a run.

57:10But that initial part is really, really tricky as a big fella. That's what a lot of big guys go through. But when you're out there, when you build the confidence, you can see it in yourself because we naturally have a chip on our shoulder, pun intended, that we shouldn't be out there. So when you are out there, you're watching yourself going, fuck, I shouldn't be out here. No one else looks like me. And that's also a sign of, I guess, being positive towards running and continuously running. But it is, I think, from a big man's point of view, it's the whole psychological element that we shouldn't be out there and overcoming that is your first step.

57:41What's the worst running advice on Instagram? Worst running advice is you follow these plans. There's various businesses that are obviously using specific plans. None of them have once factored in weight. Not one. Why the hell spend your 82? You're fine. Master Scully and I, we're always using an example. If we get two plans, it's just not viable, right? The worst advice you can give, I say, guys, you want to get good, more mileage. You want to get good, more mileage. No, as a big guy, you need to be going to the gym. You need to think biomechanically what is going to be hurting, right? And if you can get on top of that pain, that builds more confidence in yourself to go, I can stride.

58:25I can do this. I'm able to do that. But the advice online from the whole running world, none of it is tailored to blokes 100 kilos plus, not once. and if you're scrolling and it's bang this reel this reel you make sure this is the warmth this is that none of that applies to us none of that actually applies to us because we're just so different in our movements we're so different in the in our in our ability to handle load management in our ability to recover right all these things span that even i i've got my fueling wrong i've only recently started feeling or you know 60 to 60 grams of carbs per hour i just on the weekend i over 30 hours i burnt 18 000 calories right i was doing 100 grams of carbs per hour right polishing them off going hard why i need more but has that ever been factored in in fueling plans no people always go it's just give generalized advice it's so generalized the whole running world and community is so one person specific i truly believe as if you're if you're entering in from the very first level right obviously when you've got some reps and you understand a little bit more about it.

59:31But I'm saying the barrier to entry to wanting to, and people are like, oh, I just want to go for a run to feel better. I believe if you want to go for a run, you should have a target in mind. I tell the blokes in the heavyweight running division, if you're in here, you've got to be active. You've got to have a goal in mind. You can't just be stagnant, all right? Because guess what? You've got to become a better person to the outcome anyway. It's pretty interesting just listening to what you're saying to consider strength as well versus weight. So, you know, the chances of you being, you know, significantly stronger is 100%.

1:00:00So how do you factor that in to training? That's something that Scully said in a recent session with me. He said like you're more, you're kind of stronger and more aggressive than you are fit. Yes. But it's a good thing for like if you're lapping the track at like 400s, you're more powerful, he said. Like you have more power than fitness ratio. Correct. Because you're a bigger person. Yes. So probably less helpful over a marathon, but probably really helpful over a 5k maybe. But also as well spend, like when i ran the length of the uk i did 70 kilometers per day for 21 days in a row my whole lead up to training i prioritized strength because i knew that i could then first and foremost endure the the stress and the management that's going to do but also psychologically go oh my god i am strong right i'm strong i can build power through that so that's also for the long stuff but for the short stuff man like i can really feel over my when i run in those fast 5ks i can feel just how grounded I am with all my legs in.

1:00:57I think you look at vanity metrics, right? Does gym session on Instagram sell? No, it's a fast 10K sell. Absolutely does. You look at the psychological point of view, what people are trying to promote online spend. I always tell my lads in the division, gym first, gym, gym, gym. A gym is just as good as a speed session for us. And then you build the confidence in the gym. You start feeling good, but you need to attach a goal in order for for the gym to work, right? You can't just say, I wanna go to the gym. It's just not gonna happen with blokes that haven't really been to the gym or prioritized the gym.

1:01:27But I say, you wanna run a fast 5K? You wanna run a sub 23 minute 5K? Get to the gym. All of a sudden they start feeling better. Shit, Jordan, this is working. I'm recovering from my sessions better. I'm feeling a little bit faster on this 400 meter laps, right? It's just those small little psychological wins, but I think too many of us are too in tune with the fast metrics. And I also think as well, why doesn't Strava have weight class? You can have that for free, Strava. Weight class, like heavyweight division. I'll take 2 % if you want. It's like, everyone goes to me, shit, Jordan, you're fast for your size.

1:02:02Okay, no worries. Where's that? I always, in my content, I'm always like 107 kilos. I always have to say that because one, it builds shock value, but two, it also people go, shit, that guy's a big man. But if you just had it right there, it makes it a lot more user-friendly. and also as well, Spen, like this is like a, it's like a tick box. If you want to show your weight, that's healthy. I get guys to tell me it's weight first. Then they tell me their goal. Jordan, I'm 106 kilos training for a sub 50, 10K. Awesome, man. How great is that? That blokes feel comfortable that they're able to say their weight first, Spencer.

1:02:36When, when in the, like in this day and age, you can't speak about people's weight. You don't know how to say those things anymore. Blokes are like, brother, I'm 115 kilos, my man. I'm like, keep going, big dog. What are you doing next. Healthy. It is healthy.

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1:05:23One thing I'm particularly interested about with you is you're a sleep coach as well. Our listeners and we all understand that the body repairs and recovers when you sleep, right? So one of the most important parts of recovery is getting proper sleep. In fact, it has been said in the studio before that, you know, if you've done an incredible session and then for whatever reason you don't sleep, your body won't actually capitalize on the session, right? Like it's an incredibly important part of not only just recovery, but also progression. And as a heavier person, sorry to keep banging the heavyweight drum.

1:06:02of course um but i can only imagine sleep is even more important for you as your body undergoes probably greater strain when running than a lighter person sleep is the highest return on energy you can get right spend and you think about going to training you think about shaping up for the morning session whatever it is if you wake up and you're in the back four guess what everything just got a lot harder right but if you wake up and you go oh i feel a little bit better today right this is becoming a little bit easier for me that session i did a little bit easier that work stress, relationships, everything as well, right?

1:06:34That's why I've invested so much time into sleep. And when it comes to training as a big guy, I value sleep as the highest thing that I can do. I always prioritize it to the point where I actually became obsessed with sleep and I developed a thing called orthosomnia, which is perfection of perfect sleep aided by Chaka Vules. I had six months of hard clay and data of whoop versus Garmin, like hard punched in, right? I got too obsessed with sleep, but I had to unwire my brain. But I then saw every time that I would get to a session, I'd feel a little bit better. I'd recover better from the session.

1:07:04So from a psychological point of view, that's all the wind that I needed. Yes, the actual, when you go into the nerdy science stuff, the physiological stuff is fantastic and repairing and, um, you know, even learning new skills and understanding like memory as well. That's all great. But I simplified it so much, Spencer, that I go, if I sleep better, I perform better. Full stop. I also, massive thing with big guys as well, it helps with your, um, your food intake. Like if I'm staying up later at night, what I want to snack on, right? So you think about weight control, all these things, sleep is factors in all of that stuff.

1:07:36And sleep is the hardest thing to train because no one wants to train it. We live in a capitalist society and people go, oh, well, sleep's in the way. I just want to be able to do this, do that. But they don't realize that when it comes to your training, work, life, it's the undercurrent of everything you can do. So like I'm putting you to sleep. I love sleep. You do? Yeah. No, I really value sleep. So does my wife. We love a good night's sleep. You need it. And in fact, when we're like away and drinking or whatever, and it's like, it's just, we almost like regret it immediately. We regret it during the fun.

1:08:11Exactly right. You know, it's kind of like, oh, this is just going to break my perfect record. Yeah. Yeah. I stand by this. I think I've got probably the most ever hundreds on a Garmin Sleep Score ever. I love it, right? But again, it's because I've seen such value in it. but because we get it for free doesn't mean we actually value it that's the that's the probably the kicker when people realize like oh but jordan i'm going to go to sleep yeah but what type of sleep are you actually getting is the the most critical thing and the question before you ask is what's the best tip it's just regularity you just have to do the exact same shit your brain is a repetition monster i see you this i'm going to act like this i see you this i'm going to act like this and people just don't want to do it because we want to go on our phones after work we we think we deserve this relaxing time we're constantly wired we're constantly stimulated right you never can really switch off and that's why then i'm one thing that i always get is jordan i'm tired but i'm wired well what are you doing throughout the day are you asking yeah i'm asking you what are you doing throughout the day if it's going to keep you that wired like people just constantly drinking caffeine working commuting you know all these things you know you think about like people always like oh but jordan like coffee it's like i look at it just i break i make it so simple you're buying yourself what 45 minutes of really strong production let's say in the afternoon if you had a coffee at three o 'clock, right?

1:09:26But you're siphoning your ability to sleep later that night, which then impacts all of the next day. It's really not that groundbreaking stuff. People overcomplicate sleep so much. And I tell people like, I want you to take your sleep seriously, but I don't want you to get serious about sleep because if you tell people that, they get like, I need to sleep, I need to sleep. But it's also like, you know, when people say, how can I get eight hours sleep? Well, just go to bed eight hours before you need to wake up. it would be a good starting point. I've never really understood how people say to me quite regularly, I could never get eight hours sleep.

1:10:06Literally, if you go to sleep at 10 p.m. and wake up at 6, you're getting eight hours of sleep. Yeah, but there's biological factors that span. There's early chronotypes, which are people that wake up early, and there's late chronotypes, which then people need to wake up a little bit later. and obviously you get into the science stuff, it gets a little bit different. But general rule of thumb, it's like people always say, Jordan, how do I get eight hours sleep? And if I asked you, you're getting eight hours sleep, they straight away get defensive and go, I'm not getting eight hours sleep. Well, I'm like, well, let's just get the amount of sleep that you need for you.

1:10:34And once they do that, they go, oh, okay, cool. Then you can build the reps, but no one actually trains sleep. Like the way that I started training sleep, which is really unhealthy, was I'd wake up every day and I'd go, now, how am I going to get back to sleep? The moment I woke up, sunlight and did everything like to a tee and i just became ridiculously good at sleeping i felt amazing right and i just i was like i like i was just so sharp all the time as well naturally as well i don't really drink that much like drinking as you know is is a big impact on your sleep but like you look at it and people just we've got whoops we've got garments we've got so many things they're telling us to do but i'm like just why don't you just try to train and do something different and when you say training sleep so how would you do that just lose your devices just get into bed early just get your room nice and cool look at look all that's all the sleep like environment everything's well spent like it's those are the little 0.1 percenters i would say they obviously factor up but i would look at it as seven days right and look what realistically can you do to get a good night's sleep on monday night compared to thursday night thursday night you might have dinner with friends or whatever it is so it's having that realistic understanding of what nights can you actually target and go after it because guess what if you have a shit night sleep you're still going to be able to perform to a level the next day.

1:11:46So why don't you actually try to take it on? So whenever I help people, I go, let's break up your week, what type of work you're doing, what type of exercise, what type of food. Like people need to realize you need to eat food the exact same time every day. Why do you think it's called breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Ta-da. Because your body's expecting food at those specific timeframes, right? But it's like one day people will be like, oh, I might have breakfast later. I might have lunch later. It just fucks up all your cycle for when you need to be able to go, well, this is my time to relax and go to bed.

1:12:11Just try it. People were so afraid to try it because if I get a bad night's sleep. And I always ask this question, what sleep did you have 497 days ago, Spen? Couldn't tell you. There you go. So people go, Jordan, I'm a bad sleeper. That's the first question I ask. I go, well, can we train it? Absolutely, we can. Start now. Start now. Start now. There you go. Jordan, we thank you very much for coming in today. That was a wonderful, wonderful interview. And I'll see you tomorrow morning in Battersea Park with Sir Stephen Scullion. And we will see if we can get this heavyweight division on the road, because I think it's brilliant.

1:12:50Thank you. I just want to say a complete thanks to Bradley, Simon, the whole crew here. It's fantastic in welcoming me. And I also thought that getting picked up by a car, I was really appreciative of that. I was going to literally get a line bike here. But just those little moments. And if you spend, you know, seeing me in the park, getting me in here, letting me tell my story, I actually am really appreciative, mate. and I'm glad I have a house cross. Cheers, brother. Thank you. Always a pleasure. Thank you.