Smash Your PB in 3 Months: Run Faster, Lift Heavier, Recover Smarter | Jake Dearden Masterclass LIVE

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0:30really strong passion and heart in this space. And I can't wait to chat to him. I hope you get a lot from the episode. As I know, he can deliver. Jake Didden.

0:48Cheers, guys. Thank you, Spencer, for the warm welcome. No problem at all. How are you this evening? I'm good. I'm very good. Yeah, I'm just honored to be here. Yeah, it's pretty sick, isn't it? It's not bad. ordinarily we would be protected by the edit and it would be nice and relaxed but this evening we're just going to have to get everything perfect in one take off the bat so no pressure no pressure at all no you you laugh in the face of pressure i think particularly when it comes to athletic events um what do you think is is the kind of the main difference between somebody who perhaps is a naturally gifted athlete uh somebody that excels uh in sport and somebody that consistently wins at the top i think it's how they treat the other aspects of their life i think i think that's a massive factor anyone can train hard anyone can you know follow a training program but i think it's all the other factors that are kind of like less spoken about and it's probably more the boring stuff that you know the top athletes get right and it might just be like i said nutrition might be one recovery might be one it might be you know avoiding that really exciting night out with your friends that you know that you need to avoid because you've got a hard training session the next day um it's all them little things that all add up and over years and years and years it makes a difference it might not make a difference if you only do it you know about one time but if you do it you know over time and time again so consistency yeah but for like being 100 on top of your game like look at cristiano ronaldo like he's the perfect example like you know doesn't have an off day a fellow whoop athlete exactly yeah yeah you know one of the most inspiring people on the planet um but you know a lot of people probably wouldn't like his life.

2:44You know, every day he does the exact same thing. You know, he trains three times a day, does, has his nap routinely every single day at the same time, goes to bed at the same time every single day. And that's how you become the best, in my opinion. Where do you think that line is drawn and kind of at what stage did you begin to make that sacrifice? Because there must have been a time in your life where you took being gifted and better than, you know, other people around you to really begin to sacrifice time with your friends, you know, to drink no alcohol or less alcohol, to, you know, to get to bed early, rise early, you know, when did you begin to make those shifts in your life to really focus on becoming the athlete that you are today?

3:33I think everything starts with having a bit of a natural talent or something so so you've you know for me personally it was going doing a high rocks and not really training specifically for the event but then naturally being okay and good at it and um also coaching people in that space as well like it gave me such a thrill for coaching people so then i just personally i became more and more invested and then as time has gone on it's just kind of like snowballed and I'm nowhere near perfect now like I don't have this kind of you know perfect life where I'm saying you know no to absolutely everything and only doing the things that are going to make me better I still make mistakes I still kind of do things that you know probably the people at the top of the game wouldn't do but like I try and get better every day and I think for me It was just being naturally all right or something and then seeing how far you can actually take that.

4:36There's obviously balance though, isn't there, in life. If you dedicate your entire life to something and you give it your absolute all and you avoid the simple pleasures in life, that basically allow you to dial it up and tone it down and to have those moments where you feel exceptional because if you're always hammering it, you know, and you're always pushing yourself, trying to achieve something great, you know, and you don't spend the time with your family, you don't spend the time with your friends, you know, do you ever plateau? Do you ever feel shut off from the world? Does your why ever become blurred?

5:15You know, have you ever left a really hard training session feeling physically on top of the world, but just like you're not entirely sure what the point of it is? or I don't mean to go too deep on that person. But it's interesting. No, no, no, for sure. Anyone who's gifted and pursues a dream might wonder what the purpose of that pursuit is along the way. Yeah, I think the harsh truth is anyone who is pursuing that probably isn't completely happy. I don't think there's happiness within winning. Obviously, there's happiness within the time and moment that you win. but like I don't think people who are at the top of the game have the happiest lives.

5:59I think if you're going for happiness you would spend more time with your family, you'd enjoy yourself, you'd go out for drinks with your friends and you'd have that more of a balance. I think if you truly want to be happy that's what you should do but I think just the natural human mind wants to keep pushing and to go above and beyond and to see how far you can actually do And I think you can kind of find comfort in doing everything that you can possibly do. And whatever that result is, whether you win or lose, you know that you've done 100%. You can find comfort in that. I think that's what a lot of people do.

6:41A lot of athletes that I'm hopefully on that path now, but I've spoke to a lot of ex-Olympic athletes and they were like, I tried and give my 100 % all. Yes, I didn't get the gold, but it is what it is. And I'm satisfied with that. Do you find that you live to that standard of always trying to be the best version of yourself that you can be? I always, when I'm...

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9:40just ask yourself that and it gets to me so I'm like well my clone wouldn't do that so what are you saying oh my clone would do that and I'm not going to do that so I'm going to beat have the edge so what you're saying is you compete with yourself yeah I think you can make up little games like that I think that helps do you do anything like that do you like to stay consistent I think well I think consistency is pretty key I think that once you cut out kind of toxic behaviours from your life you do genuinely begin to not miss them You know, I interviewed Robin Sharma on the show who said that, you know, if you have a bad habit, if you stop doing it for 66 days, it's literally, it's a neurological, you've made a neurological shift that you needn't ever do that again.

10:24Right. So the habits can be shaped and changed in 66 days. And do you believe that? I don't know any science behind it. I certainly know that, for example, I had issues with alcohol. You know, I drank excessively for many years, all throughout my 20s. You know, at work and outside of work. I was a city broker. It was completely normal to drink pint after pint after pint every single day and then go out quite late at night, entertaining clients, call it whatever you like. Didn't feel like a problem at all. Felt like a great time, you know, like lucky to be able to do that at work type thing, I suppose.

11:00It's only later that it felt like a personal problem. And then, you know, when I reframed my relationship with alcohol and transferred that addiction, if you want to call it that, into more positive, less toxic things like running and looking after yourself, you kind of become hooked on that. Well, I certainly did. And then now I play games with myself as well. You know, like I want to be a better runner today than I was, you know, a few weeks ago or, you know, six months ago, a year ago. I'm not particularly regimented with that. But yeah, I do a similar of thing to you. I think I used to focus on people.

11:38So I used to go, that person's fast, I want to be as fast as that person, you know, and then I'd become as fast as that person. And then all of a sudden, the thing you've been chasing has been achieved. And you're like, I need a new target now. And you kind of like lily pad around targets. And actually, you're always going to find somebody that's faster than you, better than you, better looking, wealthier, whatever, you know, it's this Instagram problem, isn't it? Like people talk about that it's not real life. I never suffered with that, you know, like being jealous of other people's things or whatever.

12:08But I would, I would, I would fix myself on wanting to run a lap as fast as this guy. And actually, if you compete with yourself, it's far, it's a far healthier process, I think. Because, you know, as I said, you'll always find somebody stronger, fitter, better. But if you can become stronger and fitter and better than you were, then obviously that is the definition of progress. So for me, you know, I like to feel like I'm always progressing. Yeah. And you've just done the marathon. We had a chat. Obviously, we spoke actually to me and Spencer. We spoke before he was about to take on London. And you got a huge PB, didn't you?

12:49I did. I got a great PB. To be fair to myself, that was my first marathon that I raced. So I've ran lots of marathons. but not many in an official capacity like that, like a, you know, a balloted, chipped event. Off the top of my head, I've done three New Yorks, a Berlin and a London, and that's it. You know, obviously, we had the 30 marathons in the desert last year, but those are different events. You're not racing against a clock. You're not aiming for, you know, a fast time. So I took on your fueling strategy, which I want to come on to. I ran a 306, I think, 306, something like that. But that was...

13:34Thanks, guys. We can get used to the live audience. No, no, but I was quietly hoping for a sub three. In fairness to myself, I didn't do a huge amount of training that was specific to running a sub three. For example, those times were my fastest time over the marathon, the half marathon, 15K. You know, so I literally hadn't ran 15K at that pace. Just like checking your watch, PB every... Yeah, yeah, no, I was just trying to stick at a certain pace and, you know, it felt great for the majority of it. And then legs got a bit tired towards the end, as I'm sure you know. But Jake gave me some amazing advice and he was talking to me about glycogen levels and glycogen depletion.

14:18And essentially, and you could probably do a better job of explaining it, although I like to think I understand it. But as you're here, we'd love to hear it from you. uh your your controversy it was kind of considered controversial when you ran your sub 230 um which is you know whether you're a runner or not just to let you know a sub 230 marathon time is uh you know i would call it elite running it's not uh it's not kind of olympic professional marathon times, but it's, you cannot just run a 230. A 230 requires a very sustained effort for an extraordinary period of time in your life. Very time consuming, incredibly complicated training, pushing yourself through all kinds of walls to get to that level.

15:05You know, if you're running a 229, for all intents and purposes, you're a beast, right? Jake ran a 229? Yeah, 228. 228? Well, don't tell you. Hang on a second. It's a 228. It's a 228. Tell us how you did it. I won't bother going into the glycogen thing. I'll let you do it. Tell us how you did it. How did you feel for it? How did you prepare for that? Because there was a lot of negativity around because you announced that you were going to do it before you did it. And a lot of people just said, good luck, no chance. That's impossible. Have fun with it. and you did it, how did you do it? Yeah, so coming up with the actual goal, so I wanted to run under 2 hours 30 I'm a High Rocks athlete and someone said after last year at the World Championships they said, for you to become one of the best in the sport and get into the Elite 15, which is the major category and the best category, you need to be running a 330km for an hour and that's what you need to be doing and you'll be in, so So I was thinking about this and I was pondering it.

16:14And I was thinking, what if I try and run a 330 kilometer, but for a marathon? And I worked it out and I did the math. And I think a sub 230 is a 330 to one average kilometer. So that's how I came up with a sub 230. I didn't know whether I could do it. I put it out online and realized this is actually probably going to be harder than I thought. My PB at the time was 249. so it would have been 19 minutes quicker than my PB. But I thought, oh, I'm going to give it a go. I've got 14 weeks to train for it. I'm going to go for it. So I started training for it. Like I said, got quite a bit of stick for it.

16:57A lot of people were like, you're three to four years off doing this. You're never going to run this time. Good luck to you. Even a couple of the athletes within the Elite Fifth Field were like, I don't think you can do it. You know, respect to you, but you're not going to do it. So I spoke to a coach that was near me and I was like, do you think I can do it? And he did the maths for me. So first of all, he said, he came back with a sheet of paper. It was actually a couple of sheets of paper and I was like, what's this guy got? I just asked him a question. He was like, right, okay. So if you lose five kg, you're going to improve your power to weight ratio.

17:35if you what shoes are you wearing he said if you change your shoes because I wasn't wearing carbon plates with my last one so change to carbon plates if I wear ankle socks he said I didn't wear ankle socks by the way but he said if you wear ankle socks then you're going to take off some minutes as well and then if you draft if you sit behind ankle socks who cares about the socks I just don't think they look cool it's not helping the time But apparently it helps the time wearing ankle socks. Ankle socks are cool, by the way. Oh, sorry.

18:12Ankle socks is the way forward, actually. But anyway, it's neither here nor there in the story. Go on. So it was like all this, strip back, you can run a 230 at the same fitness that you're at now. Or you just need to get a little bit fitter and you'll be able to run a sub 230. So I start doing all these things that he says. I start dropping weight a little bit just to increase my power to weight ratio and then we start talking about drafting which drafting is where you run behind someone so when you're running you run behind someone and that can save energy like cycling so the Tour de France for example they'll have someone at the front and then they'll have the team behind them and the team behind them isn't working as hard as the person up front so if you run the marathon and sit behind someone, it's going to be a little bit easier.

19:04And then... Do you know how much easier, just roughly? So say somebody is fussing you. Obviously, you know, I call it a truck and trailer. If you lock into someone, like it is kind of, it feels mentally easier to keep pace. Yeah, just staring at their feet and just watching them. But it is actually physically easier. Yeah, just because the air resistance. Creating some drag, I suppose. Yeah, I think so anyway. I don't know how much difference it is. But yeah, so we're doing that. And then it was all about the nutrition strategy. Now, I practice this within my training, but the science says that you can absorb 60 to 90 grams of carbohydrates per hour when you're running.

19:40So I carved up beforehand, and that consisted of just kind of like my normal foods that I'd eat, but like rice, potato. I kept to kind of the stuff that I know. I know we've touched on, you know, a lot of people before a marathon or whatever, they like to carb up and they like to go out for pizza and pasta if you're used to having that then that's absolutely fine but if you're not then i'd probably just avoid it and stay quite boring if you if you can but um yeah so so carb up before and then within the race itself 60 to 90 grams of carbohydrates but the science coming out that i think the elite cyclists are pushing 140 grams per hour on the bikes so you could potentially go a huge amount of food but yeah you could go above and beyond that so so i like to have it in the form of like gels and and like um drinks so liquid drinks um but but yeah it kind of so correct me if i'm wrong so the simple way of looking at it is essentially people talk about runner's wall right so when you like you'll you'll go for a run say you're running your first marathon or something and you're not you're not carb loading correctly you'll hit something called a wall where i think some people will be familiar with it who are listening it's where you just you suddenly feel like you know struggling to carry on you can't really go at the correct pace and you start to feel well a bit ill really a bit ill a bit flustered um if you carb correctly your glycogen levels are such that the you don't ever and correct me if i'm wrong you don't ever hit that wall because that wall essentially is when your carb levels drop to a certain level and your body begins to process fat instead of carbs and it's that it's that time when you're burning it so hard and you're at threshold pace and you've got a high heart rate for a couple of hours, three hours in this case, and your body switches its energy source essentially whilst you're running.

21:33So that feeling of change is just a difficult thing to manage. And that is essentially hitting a wall. Yeah, so basically you can't convert fats into energy fast enough. So your body can't physically turn your fat cells into the energy that it needs to move forward fast enough when you're running at high intensity. So if you're running a marathon flat out, you'll be running probably around 80 % to 90 % of your max effort, which will be kind of like your threshold. Apparently, the science says you can only work at like 65 % of your VO2 max if you're just burning fats. So what your body does, because you can't physically burn fats and convert them fast enough, your body just slows down.

22:19So you just come to a halt and that hitting the wall is your body saying, no, you're going to cause too much stress if you do this. You're stressing your body out too much. We're going to pull you back. But you can avoid it. Like you say, if you keep your collection and it slows up, you can avoid that to an extent. Yeah, because of you, I had eight gels in the London Marathon. How did your stomach feel? Fine. Fine, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Stomach is steel. Stomach's always been all right for me. I'd never trained it. I ran the marathon with brand new shoes, box fresh, and having never taken a gel before, ever really.

22:53Two things that I'd avoid. So whacked, yeah, whacked eight gels. I have to say they've become harder to eat. Like it becomes pretty sluggish trying to get them down. But it was great. And I remember feeling particularly thankful for your advice, kind of, you know, with 8K left to go or whatever, when it was the best run statistically of my life. And it was a tough course that day. Obviously, it's the same course, but it was tough conditions. It was very hot. It was very hot, yeah. A lot of people really struggled, either DNSed or didn't get the times that they wanted. It was very tough. So hats off to you for getting a PB.

23:29Done a bit of running in the sun before you see. Just a bit. We're used to the heat. Of all the things that you've achieved, what are you the most proud of? I think what's taken the...

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26:49I just find it incredible that, and in fact, I'm just, before we come into High Rocks, I'm really curious as to how you push through plateaus. Like when, and can you explain the science of how a person physically becomes fitter? Because some people, and there are some great athletes in the room here. I know that, I know that Mr. Hercules is here, who's, who's a fantastic runner, you know, as well. I'm sure I can speak for some people, you know, how do you go from hitting, you know, far superior to average time, say, but when you know, you go to the track, you burn it on all cylinders, and you really, really go for it.

27:30How do you go from, you know, that threshold pace, which is very much feels at your max effort to gaining that extra minute or two, you know, in something like a 5k? Because you see people that do, you know, even at the very good level, you run like a 15 minute 5k. Like how do you shave off an additional two, three minutes? Like, where does that come from? Because you feel you really like, you know, if you want to use me as an example, I really feel like I'm going, you know, as hard as I can physically go at this stage in my life. And obviously, I've come a long way in the last few years but it really doesn't feel like there's that whole other world to it and i'm just wondering how you push through that plateau and and what what you know what the importance of recovery is in that and you know is it about pushing yourself incredibly hard regularly is it about properly recovering is it all of the above like you know how do you go from being good to great yeah i think Before, it's worth mentioning like a 5k, say for example, a 5k, it never actually gets easier, the fitter that you get.

28:42Like your perceived exertion at that time, if you're running an all out 5k and it's 35 minutes, or if you're running an all out 5k and it's 18 minutes, for example, and you're doing it all out, it's going to hurt the same. It's going to feel the same. Your fitness just improves. so the effort it's always going to feel like when you're running and your lungs are burning running around that track, it's always going to feel like that so I feel like some people feel like you get fitter and it's just suddenly easy but then yeah it is easier but then you just push harder and then you get quicker and then that's how it is but really it's just it's very very simple so progressive overload, same as it would be in the gym same as it would be with stress same as it would be with running you have a stimulus which is the actual exercise so you're creating a stimulus but you're putting stress on your body that that stress then needs to adapt so so you need to then give it the time to so you're giving a stress to your body your then body needs time to react and then it needs the fuel and kind of rest to react so you're given the stimulus it's then going to cause a little bit of inflammation within your body so that might be muscle soreness doms lactate or just stress in the body and then this sends signs to your body to to then change and get stronger because your body loves homeostasis it likes staying the same if you're stressing your body your body wants to not make that happen again it doesn't want that to happen again so your body's going to do whatever it can to adapt so if you go and do that again it's not going to feel like that again it's not going to feel like you're so shocked and stressed so um it's then going to send information then it's going to adapt but for that time in adaptation that's when you you need the recovery that's when you need the sleep that's when you need the nutrition to then let your body then adapt and then you just rinse and repeat that and and you progress uh and and you know next time you go you you might feel this you might feel the same but you might be a couple of seconds quicker and then you gradually get better and better over time.

30:52So over a training block, that's essentially what you're doing. Yes, but there's obviously levels to it. Like you said, you're a very well-trained athlete. You're hitting an 18-minute 5K. To get that down now, you've got to, you're already doing quite a lot. How many miles are you running a week at the moment? You're running quite a lot. Between 70 and 100K? 70, 100K. So it might not be just doing more. That is your thing. Your body's adapted to that now. So you're used to doing that. And the result of that is you being able to run that pace. So now you might have to be a little bit smarter with your sessions and gradually run a little bit faster within certain sessions.

31:36That's going to be a new stress on your body and then your body reacts to that. But it's all trial and error. No one shoe fits all. That's just one aspect of it. there's also the recovery side of it there's also the nutrition side of it it's quite interesting and quite deep once you get into it thank you but just being consistent consistent with your training but also with your recovery giving you time for your body to adapt it's interesting the recovery thing though because people say to prioritise recovery and the recovery is as important as the training I've noticed that my body has undergone the biggest change when you're pushing it beyond what's reasonable you know like for example in the desert when it was just you have no choice but to go every single day right so it's like no days off 30 days marathon every day like your body your body actually as you're talking about adapts to it and it becomes easier and it learns and it chucks off muscle that it doesn't need and it you know and it becomes this kind of machine that almost instinctively knows what it has to do on a daily basis right because it because it's you're not giving it the option to rest in a certain way so you become you know the the thing that you weren't sure that you could be right so I guess the point I was making was is it worth hammering the same point over and over again you know until the body finds it so easy or or is recovery as important as as you know we've been saying it is I think I think it is I think you just you can train so much that you're breaking your body down and i think if you switch that and think every training session that you're doing you're trying to build your body up and make your body stronger then it's going to help obviously you're going to have certain sessions where where you you need to kind of really push yourself to the limits but a couple of these a week these are normally kind of like your threshold vo2 max sessions and that's what you need the most time to recover from so you're going to do a couple of hard sessions per week but then everything else that you do whether it's recovery runs whether it's um you know your easy zone two or whether it's your strength work if you think about them as building you up rather than i'm going into the gym to smash my legs in so i can't walk for seven days like yes that's great and it will make your body your body react and adapt and you're going to get stronger legs but like you can increase chance of injury doing that you can do like there's so much more productive ways of doing that um but but it's all yeah i think movement is is kind of medicine and and you know separating your your hard days and easy days uh is so your body can recover and you can keep building is really important movement is medicine is nice yeah yeah i think it is i think it is but it's got it's got to be the right movement and it's what you're yeah listening to your body so obviously we're into a new High Rock season now.

34:32You were High Rock's doubles world champion. Yeah, last year. Unfortunately, I didn't have a great finale to the season this time. I got injured and had to pull out. We can still call you a world champ, can we not? Maybe, yeah. I'll call you a world champ. Thank you. Jake's in, High Rock's doubles world champion. Excellent. I think if you've been a world champion you can go you know it's like all these boxers who just constantly carry around the world champion title you know even though they're not the current world champion I think that's fine we can do this for you that's no problem I should have just retired shouldn't I why Hirox?

35:15what excited you about Hirox? I'm sure everybody here knows what a Hirox is but just for the purpose of the interview can you briefly just describe exactly what a Hirox is? and why it appealed to you. So Hirox is a functional fitness race that consists of eight runs and eight stations, a station in between every run. And basically, it's just a time goal from start to finish. You try and complete it as fast as possible. So the reason I got into Hirox was I actually, I've just found it so inclusive. So I first went to Hirox and I was mind blown by how well it's set up and how easy it is to go and compete.

36:02Everything is run on time. Everything's immaculate. The vibe's good. There's a great DJ on the event and it's such a good spectator sport. It's just a great way to test your fitness that doesn't batter you for weeks and weeks and weeks. A marathon's great, but if you fully send a marathon like you saw and you're battered for two weeks to a month, if not longer, some people say it takes six months to recover from a marathon Hirox is it's a workout that takes anywhere between 53 minutes of the world record to two hours it's around that time period where it's a big training session so it's pretty cool you can do them quite often you can go abroad with your mates and go and compete it's pretty cool And you just realised that you had gifts for the sport quite early I think so I've always been into running and I've always been into lifting weights but I always got told you're stupid because one of the games is cancelling out the other so you know you go to the gym do you believe that to be true um if you want to be the best at any of them then you've got to have them both focused around one of the goals I was just going into the the gym doing push pull legs enjoying it with my mates and then I was I was going running just casually you know my local track and just having fun with it and people were like well you're never going to be good at running and you're never because you're too heavy and you're never going to be good at lifting weights because you run because to get big you you you can't run which i don't think is true but um obviously it doesn't help it counteracts it um so yeah so um but then high rocks came along and you needed to be relatively strong but also good at running and not many people train like that like before before the whole functional fitness and the uh the kind of hybrid scene kicked off like triathletes stayed out of the gym runners stayed out of the gym you know people that were in the gym never ran you know they didn't do anything other than an incline walk for the cardio like it's just how it was and it was like a little bit backwards whereas like hybrid training and and high rocks has come around and it's kind of if you want to do both of them you can do both of and you can be fit, you can be strong, and you can be healthy doing it.

38:21And I think it's just been such a positive spin and change of direction for the fitness industry. I think it's pretty cool. By the way, if anyone's not heard of High Rocks or isn't really into High Rocks, Red Bull have actually done a documentary following the elite races around this season. So that's on Red Bull TV. Any good? Yeah, it's all right. it's all right good if anyone's watching it's pretty it's pretty cool i think it it gives a good insight it's basically like the the drive to survive but hyrox version which you know i'm not saying it's a good it's nowhere near as good as that but like you know what i mean do you know if people want an insight and they've not got a clue what it is and you think what's this guy waffling on about like it's pretty good how did it feel to become a red bull athlete and how did that happen?

39:13Can you take me through the phone call or the email or the meeting or kind of what had you done that put you on the map for them? And how did that feel? I mean, you know, I can, you know, I'm obviously no Red Bull athlete, but it's, but that's kind of like, that's one of the pinnacles of kind of sport really in a strange way, you know, of like endurance sport, you know, great big brand. How did that feel? How did it come about? Yeah, for me, Red Bull has always been this brand which you know they they they pride themselves in taking like the the top athletes or potential what they think are going to be the top athletes of the sport taking them on as athletes and then trying to get them to the top so so that's how red bull help athletes they've actually got a really really cool fact if they were an olympic team they'd be third in the medal table which is pretty cool like considering they don't just sponsor athletes like obviously they help them like financially but they also have this massive infrastructure where they have performance sensors in Austria and LA where they they help you when you need help with it even if it's just mental health if it's training if you're injured whatever it is they've got the best doctors and physios whatever you need they've got them on hand and they assist that way and I think that's pretty cool so like people say why you're always wearing that cap and it's because I want to wear part of the brand um so for me it was literally a dream come true um when i heard that they were getting into irox and but the process is pretty lengthy i think i was in tautson for a year before and do you think do you think you have to be a certain kind of person um to push yourself like you do or do you think the the potential exists within average people to do extraordinary many things i think the potential is in everyone as long as you want to as long as it's your passion i think it's got to be a passion of yours to pursue whatever you're doing like i genuinely thought before i found fitness and before i found coaching i thought i was just a lazy person like i i was training to be a civil engineer and i struggled to sit at a computer for two hours out of the eight hours a day and I you know I used to wing life like I really did and I just thought I'm a lazy person but like I've luckily I found kind of like my passion and like I get a thrill from inspiring people into fitness and and helping people kind of with their goals and and trying to see how far I can get as well and I think that's what what kind of drives me and like making people proud as well I think that's another one but um yeah I think I think anyone can do it as long as they find their passion and they do it within that passion.

42:01Isn't it funny the mind and the situation you find yourself in like when you're really really pushing yourself and you're digging incredibly deep and you hear that song or something that lifts you into a completely different gear. When we last spoke you were talking about when you were like in hell in this kind of sub 230 marathon attempt and you saw a kid with a sign that said tap for energy or something they work so so they work if you've ever seriously if you're in that hall if you're in that like you're suffering and you see you you're running a race whether it's 5k 10k half marathon marathon and you see a little kid holding a sign that says tap for power please tap that sign because it works like you should say you'd run past it and tap it and go like come on it just changes your whole mindset but like just just that dopamine I mean, just that, you know, seeing a smile in the crowd or smiling back to someone else.

43:01Or like, if you're running a marathon and someone next to you is really struggling, just saying, you know, come on, mate, we've got this. Let's run it together. Like, how good that makes you feel. And then suddenly, whatever you're feeling, like, just disappears and you feel no pain. You feel no, like, struggle. Like, you're like, yeah, it's powerful what the mind can do. Let's hope it lives on. And one final passing question from me. And it's something that we ask all of our guests. For people listening, what would be the best advice that you can offer our listeners on how they can untap more of their potential?

43:40I think just believe in yourself. And I know it sounds so simple, but a lot of people don't believe in themselves. And they always think about what other people think of them or what they're going to think of them. Pick a goal, make a plan, and just execute it. and you'll get there. Jake Dearden, everyone.

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