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Voices of Search // A Search Engine Optimization (SEO) & Content Marketing Podcast

29 Jul 2026 · 2m · 1 chapter

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Is the quality of traffic different today for local businesses?

In short

Local SEO and local business lead generation—whether traffic quality differs today, how AI is changing local search, and the shift toward paid visibility.

Guest backgrounds

Joy Hawkins, owner and president of Sterling Sky; nearly two decades studying local results and leading 1,000+ local SEO tests to identify ranking factors that matter.

Key claims

The “rank and rent” model (build/rank sites, then sell leads) is becoming less popular because it’s harder; local businesses increasingly compete for the same high-volume targets; niche targeting may bring slower lead volume but can be beneficial long-term.

Notable examples

Mentions conferences showing declining rank-and-rent; sponsor cites brands like Yelp, eBay, Canva, Atlassian, Square.

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Chapters

2:30

Niche SEO Strategies and Closing Remarks

Insights on niche SEO strategies and closing thoughts from the host.

“Sometimes you can really dominate with like, the more niche you get, the more specific you get, but it's not as attractive because you don't get the immediate massive increase in leads and volume, right?”
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0:00The Voices of Search podcast is a proud member of the I Hear Everything podcast network. Looking to launch or scale your podcast? I Hear Everything delivers podcast production, growth, and monetization solutions that transform your words into profit. Ready to give your brand a voice? Then visit IHearEverything.com.

0:21Joy Hawkins: I'm Jordan Cooney, and joining me today is Joy Hawkins, owner and president of Sterling Sky. Joy has spent nearly two decades studying local results and has led more than a thousand local SEO tests to determine what ranking factors really matter. Today, we're going to talk about local SEO, how it's evolving in this age of AI, and the rise of paid visibility in what businesses need to do to stay ahead. Is the quality of traffic different today than it was in the past for local businesses? There used to be this rank and rent model that was really popular in the local space where you'd set up a website, rank it, and then sell the leads, right?

0:56I think that I've seen as a trend at conferences, that is less and less popular over the years because it's harder. The opportunity for business owners is like they often all want to target the same things because they want to go after the things with volume. Time for a one-minute break to hear from our sponsor, Previsible. So you're looking for SEO help and you got a couple of options. You could start replying to spam from agencies that claim they can get you to rank number one on Google. You can pay an hourly rate for a consultant who will inevitably nickel and dime you with hourly charges. Or you can work with a cookie cutter agency to quickly launch a strategy-less project with low success rate.

1:34None of those sound very good, now do they? Well, that's where Previsible's integrated consulting model comes in. Previsible draws from a collective 40 years of SEO and digital marketing experience to unlock your organic growth opportunities. They build custom solutions that combine strategy, technical expertise, content, and reporting to effectively operationalize SEO for your business. Pre-Fizzable's four-stage approach ensures that your SEO programs thrive by starting off with a strategy-first approach. Then they support you in your efforts to create quality content, help you identify technical issues, and most importantly, they'll work with your cross-functional teams to integrate your SEO strategies to make sure that your SEO budget it actually drives results, not just your agency's bottom line.

2:18So join brands like Yelp, eBay, Canva, Atlassian, Square, all who rely on the SEO consultants at Previsible. For more information, go to previsible.io. That's previsible, P-R-E-V-I-S-I-B-L-E.io.

2:37Sometimes you can really dominate with like, the more niche you get, the more specific you get, but it's not as attractive because you don't get the immediate massive increase in leads and volume, right? But I would say long-term, it could be a good plan.

2:49Joy Hawkins: Thank you to Joy Hawkins, owner and president at Sterling Sky, for joining us. If you'd like to contact Joy, you can find a link to her LinkedIn profile in our show notes or on thevoicesofsearch.com. You can also visit her company website, sterlingsky.ca. If you haven't subscribed yet and want a daily stream of SEO and content marketing knowledge in your podcast feed, hit the subscribe button in your podcast app or on YouTube, and we'll be back in your feed every week. Okay, that's all for today. But until next time, remember, the answers are always in the data.

From the publisher

Local pack ads grew from 1% to 22% of tracked searches. Joy Hawkins, owner and president of Sterling Sky, brings nearly two decades studying local results and over 1,000 local SEO tests to explain why traffic and lead quality no longer move together. The conversation covers redefining lead qualification through call tracking and duration thresholds, the growing penalty risk of scaled content and link building for small businesses, and building authority through reviews, awards, and social signals rather than links. Hawkins also makes the data-backed case for YouTube over LLM optimization and the physical location requirements behind local pack visibility.

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