

17 Sep 2026 · 1m · 3 chapters

Jordan Cooney interviews Jason Lacks (SAP) about an SEO metric teams overuse: sessions/visits.
as AI answers absorb “informational clicks,” low-intent visits decline; relying on sessions can mask either improved engagement or lost visibility. Lacks argues volume drops while quality rises, so teams need more than traffic counts. He recommends pairing sessions with additional dimensions and conversion data to distinguish engagement changes from ranking/visibility loss.
he contrasts “low-intent visits” dropping off with “more engaged” clickers, and notes charts may look similar even when outcomes differ.
Jason Lacks, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP.
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Host Jordan Cooney introduces guest Jason Lacks.
“I'm Jordan Cooney, and joining me today is Jason Lacks, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP.”
Discussion on the over-reliance on sessions and visits as SEO metrics.
“But as AI is absorbing the informational clicks, a lot of that low-intent visits or those low-intent visits are dropping off.”
Exploration of how declining session numbers may indicate higher engagement quality.
“And the people who do arrive or click through are actually a lot more engaged.”

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0:42I'm Jordan Cooney, and joining me today is Jason Lacks, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP. What's one SEO metric you think teams rely on too much? It might be sessions and visits. We're kind of hung up on that. We're used to it. But as AI is absorbing the informational clicks, a lot of that low-intent visits or those low-intent visits are dropping off.
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2:36And the people who do arrive or click through are actually a lot more engaged. So we've got this thing where, you know, volume drops, the quality goes up. And the catch is that the decline can also mean that you're just losing visibility. So, you know, on the line, the chart looks the same. But again, sessions alone just won't tell you the difference. So, you know, you need dimensions and conversions alongside them to really understand what you're seeing.
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Sessions and visits mislead teams as AI absorbs informational search intent. Jason Lax, senior SEO and AI expert at SAP with nearly two decades of search experience now leading AEO and GEO strategy, breaks down why declining traffic volume can mask rising engagement quality. He details how to layer conversion data and engagement dimensions alongside session counts to distinguish true visibility loss from a healthier, higher-intent traffic mix, and outlines the metric framework enterprise teams need as AI reshapes the top of the funnel.
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