#2902 Crappy Hour 6/23/2025: Tre Hangs Up, Traitors Casts Season 4

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3:08Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie, that's Ben over there. Hi, Ben. hi ronnie how's it going good what's been going on with you today baby you know it's been a busy day

3:23Ben Mandelker: getting back into the grind of things there's been so much happening in terms of like you know love island and real housewives just it's been a lot it's been exciting you know so what about

3:35Ronnie Karam: you what have you been up to been some exciting times yeah we're having some turnover we're gonna to get we've got a lot of shows leaving a lot of shows coming back on the air no so much so much is happening okay yeah um just going on yeah we just had um so our last show of the tour was on

3:53Ben Mandelker: thursday which was super fun and we just celebrated all weekend and that was so great so great to like celebrate be with friends and family and but now i'm like it's like wow like now it's now it's now Now it's over and time to get back to business, you know?

4:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And here we are back to business. So this is crappy hour. This is where we talk Bravo headlines news. Gossip. What's looking good for you this week?

4:24Ben Mandelker: You know what? What's looking good for me? I'm just looking at the document TM. And one of the first things that I saw is this headline you put in there. Teresa Judas has an on-air meltdown because I did not hear about this. And I want to hear about Teresa's on-air meltdown.

4:40Ronnie Karam: Oh, my gosh. So she went on WGN. You know, we've gone on there before, me and you. I felt very famous when they were like, wow. She went on WGN and got upset. We were on there, right? That guy, Larry. What did you say?

4:53Ben Mandelker: We were on there, right? Yeah, we were on WGN. And it was like one of the anchors, I think his name was Larry. And he was like, he was kind of like hot in an oafy way because he didn't understand anything. and he was like what the real housewives like this stuff is silly it's just women fighting like he was one of those but then his anchor was a lady and she was nice like well larry you know it's a really fun it's it's a fun show god i love talking about it what do you think about tam uh what do you think about uh ramona singer can you do a ramona singer impersonation so she was our people but he was like what's up with these these these ladies and it was really fun yeah he was very much like

5:33Ronnie Karam: wow sounds crazy maybe i'll get into it well i love that that lady that he works with just keeps getting him involved because apparently she's just going to bring all kinds of bravo people on there and i love that for him i love that he's just like stuck with that for the rest of his life it's like you marry it's like marrying a bravo fan you know working with a bravo fan is like marrying a bravo fan if you're not one you're screwed she's just gonna be like okay now this is Bethany Frankel. Bethany, what do you think of the corn chowder around here? Eh. Use a little bit more cream.

6:09Ben Mandelker: How about this? How about instead of corn, instead of corn chowder, how about a little bit of cheetah brand chowder? Because that's what this is. It's just a big cheetah brand chowder.

6:20Ronnie Karam: Okay. So, Teresa, this is from Daily Mail, UK. So, the Zoom interview She did a Zoom interview with WGN News, and it began pleasantly enough, because how can you not? It's WGN, you know? Probably something like, oh, hey, Larry, you ever heard of Real Housewives of New Jersey? Is that one of those crazy house shows where the wives are crazy and yell at each other? It sure is. Stop pretending you don't watch it, Lou, or Larry. So it began pleasantly enough, because she was asked if she was going to star in the Jersey reboot. and she responded, I mean, I hope so because I'm the OG, so I mean, yeah.

7:03Ronnie Karam: I guess so, so I guess we'll see what happens. She says, you're going to have to ask Bravo for that.

7:11Ben Mandelker: However, her smile soon faded as host Larry Potash. See, it was Larry. We should have known that Larry did this. Larry Potash quipped, how is it that a family doesn't pay their taxes for years?

7:27Ben Mandelker: This is exactly the sort of question that this guy would ask That's hilarious So she did not like that it sounds like

7:34Ronnie Karam: They got this part But I think that she said In this I think she was like Whose family? Like whose family? Like yours Who do you think we're going to ask you about the Chrisleys? Yours Dummy And she was like Alright you know what I'm going to hang out now And she hung up on his ass.

7:58Ben Mandelker: That was it. And then it says, the baffled host said, she didn't like the question. This is definitely Larry who said this. She didn't like that question. Isn't that part of the show?

8:13Ben Mandelker: I love that this article is totally proving the jokes I was making at the top of it about Larry. He was totally this guy. He was like, oh God, these real housewives. So don't they just fight on that show? Don't they just not pay their taxes and fight on that show?

8:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but that's how Teresa will do it. She's either going to call you the C word and threaten your family or she will hang up on your ass. And that's what she did, you know. So then we find out that it's been revealed they have$3 million in state tax liens placed on them because they've not paid their taxes. Okay. And according to the New Jersey courts, Teresa owes 300 grand in unpaid taxes and Louis owes 2.5 million. And it's on top of an earlier lien, 163. So are they paying any taxes? No wonder G is like, there's no taxes in Jersey. That's why I don't move to this city. There's no taxes here.

9:09Ronnie Karam: Stop listening to your parents. You're going to be in jail.

9:12Ben Mandelker: yeah seriously these are not good financial planners they're just not good planners in general i would actually say just just broaden it up into any categories they're not planning for it

9:21Ronnie Karam: i don't even think it was planning i think they're just like no we don't got to pay that i mean everybody knows you got to pay taxes right no you don't you don't have to pay taxes if you got like a husband who loves you no taxes there yeah um this is like the most this is the least

9:39Ben Mandelker: surprising um you know outcome for Teresa and Louis that they had they owe like millions in taxes I mean this guy does not have the money to to fund their lifestyle I'll tell you that much and Teresa makes money from Bravo but she hasn't been working in a year on Bravo significantly and you know her books like I think it's past the heyday for those books to bring in a lot of money so it's just not going to keep up with their lifestyle well they're screwed I mean we said

10:06Ronnie Karam: it when we first saw this uh this guy louis come on the scene we said he's gonna get her back in prison and let's see let's see i mean i don't think just i said that i think anyone with you know a brain you know or reasoning skills probably said that but um you know hopefully she doesn't go back to jail although she did a great job in jail i think she she's probably had the best housewives jail stint of all right like she met all those people she learned to make tanks and ponchos

10:33Ben Mandelker: she did great she did although we're still waiting to hear what happens when jen shaw gets out because uh we did the rumor is that jen shaw was leading like you know uh doing like talk shows and fashion shows or pageants or something like that she became friends with elizabeth holmes so jen shaw has a pretty good like jail resume at this point yeah she's the difference is that she's like a theater

10:55Ronnie Karam: kid like jen shaw is producing housewife shows in the jail so that's been pretty impressive um i hope We don't have to find out about that one on TV. So that'd be nice. But let's see. I don't even, I didn't read this next one. But while we're talking about Jersey, I just thought it was an interesting headline link. So let's see what it is. Open link. You know what? I'm opening it along with you. Caroline Manzo, honest warning about new Real Housewives show. She walked away from Real Housewives of Jersey with a marriage intact and a sanity mostly unscathed. But she says that was pure luck. before Bravo could locks in a Lekka Fraser for the upcoming Rhode Island version, Manzo delivered a no-nonsense reality check that convinced Fraser to walk away from the show.

11:43Yeah.

11:44Ben Mandelker: She said, listen, you go on to Bravo and next thing you know, you can't even throw ham at the wall anymore without someone making fun of your kid. You can't even have a kid who aspires to open up a car wash anymore without people mocking you. Don't do it. Don't do it.

12:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she says, don't do it. You'll blow up your life. Cut my face and put it into a reaction that I didn't really have. Snippeted my husband's voice to create fake cheating rumors. Caroline, those are not fake cheating rumors. That man never comes home. When your man has an apartment in his workspace, it's not just because of the commute.

12:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah. You know, it's poor Caroline. And it's too bad it took her four seasons to realize they were doing all these tricks to her. You know, Caroline had no idea. Caroline Manza, really. It's too bad. You know, and I'm so I'm so I'm so sad that she had that temporary amnesia about all the things that Bravo does that led her back to girls trip. Because like Bravo's obviously so awful, she would never go back there. But I guess she forgot. So she went back after all. So, yeah, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.

12:56Ronnie Karam: Don't do it. that bravo you know bravo's notoriously bad with their editing because they'll they'll try and get tricky with their editing but then you see someone holding a phone and then they're holding a different phone like happened on the valley this week you know stuff like that or a couple weeks ago um but this you know snipping in her husband's voice was good because it was just like frank oz it's like oh i just i want you to come up to my office as soon as possible i just want to give your hugs wait a minute this doesn't sound right but america fell for it like kermit's cheating on

13:28Ben Mandelker: caroline manzo that poor thing that poor poor thing yeah um you know what's so funny to me this has nothing to do with caroline manzo but this article um talks about real housewives of

13:39Ronnie Karam: you know what i say that sometimes because like i'm reading news about iran and i'm like well it's not about caroline manzo so i'll just keep reading

13:49Ronnie Karam: that's actually as long as it's not about caroline to begin

13:53Ben Mandelker: but um it's just funny in this article uh they're talking about real housewives of rhode island and they have the little acronym r-h-o-r-i which i hadn't actually really seen before and you know when you say it out loud it says rory but i like that the the accent is built in because with the h there it really becomes rory and i'm like that's perfect for this show you're gonna you guys gonna to watch Rory like you have to say it in the accent you know Rory get ready for Rory you know

14:22Ronnie Karam: they have such close ties to all the Jersey people because supposedly Dolores as we talked about is gonna go start the show off and be like welcome welcome to Rhode Island Rails it's me Dolores so she's I guess they're all connected somehow it's good signs that's good signs for that show

14:43Ben Mandelker: yeah I'm sure they are all it's all connected or whatever but Caroline Manzo I mean like yeah like sure Bravo like you know does clever editing to they'll take one reaction from one thing and put it in somewhere else but like you know you were on that show starting 2009 or whatever those tricks were like highly advertised even then you know you're just no babe in the woods so I say get over it and I don't want to hear about tricks that Bravo does when you've got like a brother-in-law who basically like attacked your sister and like you seem more angry at Bravo than you are at your brother-in-law.

15:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah. While we're talking about people ruining people's lives. Yeah. How about apologize to your sister? Fucking weirdo. Yeah. So in some very terrible news, I've got some really bad news and I don't like to bring this night. You know, I love negativity. Like I like anger and rage, but I like it to be about, you know, things that people are doing and stuff like that. I don't like it to just be about the sad states of things, but I have to break that today because it is rumored. There's a new rumor out of who the cast of love hotel season two is going to be. And it's not who we wanted. Okay. Cause we wanted, who'd we want?

15:59Ronnie Karam: Like Sutton. We said Sutton, Karen. We wanted Karen to, you know,

16:05Ben Mandelker: just cheat on Ray and do it. Karen. I think we were going to, Was there someone from Orange County? Let's see. I'm trying to remember who is in the mix.

16:14Ronnie Karam: I'm like, I think just keep putting Shannon.

16:16Ben Mandelker: Alexia, maybe Sutton, Alexia, Shannon, Luann. But definitely like Sutton and Alexia, I think we're in our mix.

16:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think we had it. We came up with a pretty good cast for it the other day. You know, we were hoping somebody would listen, but guess what? They did not because the rumor, this is coming from Nick Vile via, Up and Atom Live is where I'm actually reading about Nick Vile saying it. But so this is third-hand news for everybody out there. Or fourth-hand because Nick Vile heard it from somewhere too. But he just dropped a bomb about the rumored all-male cast of Love Hotel Season 2 featuring Bravo's most notorious man children. Uh-oh. Shep, Carl, Jesse Lolly, and Tom Schwartz. Are you fucking kidding me?

17:09Ben Mandelker: is there a bath among these men why are we still peddling tom schwartz okay like i can see that there's an argument to be made for carl and jesse and shep because they are on active they're actively on shows but schwartz was never the star of vanderpump rules he's never been terribly appealing he's just sort of like floppy he's like a piece of gum on the bottom of your shoes he's cute but he does not like need to be on this show no one cares about his love life no one cares if he finds love. We know it'll just be him being like, Oh, and it's not going to be interesting. Now I would also say that this entire cast, that this is not what any of us want to see because you've established that love hotel is for women of a certain age to find a man.

17:50Ben Mandelker: And like what part of what I really loved about love hotel was that it was so weird. And I loved that we saw women who are older than your typical 24-year-old blondie from Nashville, dating and dating strange older men, Earl the Pearl, Phil, and what's-his-face, Ralph. You know, like, that was funny to me. I don't want to see these guys dating just like typical reality TV flotsam and jetsam. Yeah.

18:20Ronnie Karam: Linksy says, none of those people are looking for love, just penicillin. I would have to agree. And on your note about the previous casting, Also, I think with the women, they're casting age-appropriate men, you know? They're like, okay, we've got someone in their 50s. Let's cast someone in their 50s. We've got someone in their 60s. Let's give them people in their 60s, too. These guys won't. They'll all be 22, you know? It'll be all these old dudes with, like, their 22-year-olds trying to get their Instagram accounts padded. And Shep, here's one positive thing. When we saw Shep have his relationship show called Relationship, which is kind of a deep cut.

18:57Ronnie Karam: But I don't know if any of you watch that, but it was the first reality show I've ever seen where everybody self-evicted. I mean, you spend five minutes with that guy and people were just like, nah, I'm out of here. I mean, I've never seen The Bachelor get dumped so many times. The Bachelor was just a revolving door of girls who were like, hell no. Yeah. So that'll be fun.

19:20Ben Mandelker: Shep tried and failed to anchor a dating show. It's not going to work then. It's not going to work now. There is one positive in all this. Actually, I would say there was probably four positives in all this. And that's the STD results. Congratulations. You're all positive for something. No, but for real, though, I also think that like these are not people who are like really looking for love. I think what's was fun about the Real Housewives is that those four women. Well, maybe not Giselle. Giselle was there just for the lols. But like Luann, Ashley and Shannon, those to me seem like lonely women.

19:56Ben Mandelker: who wanted to.

19:57Ronnie Karam: Ashley's been dating Beavis. Take Ashley.

19:59Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but they still want to like, they want a man in their lives. You know, they want someone in their lives and especially like Shannon and maybe to some degree Luann, I think that they do, they are in a place where they're thinking about like, I don't want to do this again. I want to find, I want to find the one that sticks that carries me to the grave. Like this is the one. Like I, like I want to grow old with someone and there's like a sense of urgency about that. That's like different than the biological clock urgency. And these guys are just like, oh I want to be in a relationships that way people think I've grown up when they haven't at all yes

20:29Ronnie Karam: yeah that's true they need like reputation rehab whereas the women are like no we literally just want someone decent in our lives that would be nice because even Ashley would dump Beavis if

20:41Ben Mandelker: she found someone good enough you know and yes and honestly I don't know if I can deal with an entire dating show of Carl having heart-to-hearts with girls saying yeah I'm just like taking things like one day at a time like now that i'm sober being on a beach is kind of crazy because like all the sand it kind of reminds me of like having margaritas and so it's just like it's hard it's like really triggering these days my ex is really into it i'm sober i just wanted you to know i'm

21:06Ronnie Karam: sober to be like we know carl jesus christ every time he ordered a sprite he'd want a nobel

21:12Ben Mandelker: yeah and by the way just jesse lally is a jesse lally is also a villain and so like i'm not rooting for him to find love i'm rooting for like natural disasters like i want him to be on like i want him to be on like tornado hotel i want him to be in a hotel where a tornado comes through and he gets destroyed you know like i'm not rooting for love for him i don't want him to find love i want him to like get stuck on the wicked tuna boat and just like just watch it ruin his shoes

21:39Ronnie Karam: and make him hang out with manly men who like go chase tuna

21:44Ben Mandelker: i just want him to get eaten by a tuna how about that and they're like sustainable now

21:48Ronnie Karam: bitch yeah i think jesse lally needs like a lifetime movie ending where he's like thrown down the stairs like oh he's dead and then but he gets back up and keeps chasing you and then he's stabbed and they're like oh he's dead but then he gets up and keeps chasing you and then he just ends up in jail or something you know i won't say dead because that's not nice like if if they are gonna do this

22:08Ben Mandelker: fine but like if we have to drop someone it should be jesse lally because he is a villain and i don't want him to have some sort of redemption arc where he gets to fake cry about Isabella and like how hard it is for him and his fucking hair dent. I don't want to see it. If you're going to throw in another guy in there, then I don't know. Throw in someone from Southern Hospitality. How about that? Throw Joe Bradley in there or like literally anyone. There's got to be someone other than Jesse Lolly. Why don't we put Zach? Well, Zach I guess has Bungie. But like... Oh, that'll really

22:41Ronnie Karam: fuck you, having a game mixed in there.

22:43Ben Mandelker: Oh, my gosh. That would be great. Yeah, but they can't. That does fuck it up. Because Zach wouldn't even hang out with the guys.

22:49Ronnie Karam: He'd go hang out with all the women who were on the show. Like if we were on a show that was mixed, we would not even pay attention to the guys. We'd be over gossiping with the chicks about everything. I'm sure there's someone from Below Deck they can throw on there.

23:04Ben Mandelker: There's some bosun or some chef.

23:06Ronnie Karam: I think they learned their Below Deck lesson with that winter house. Because remember, they were like, let's open this up to Below Deck people. And it just went to shit very fast. Not because of the below deck people. Well, Malia wasn't great. She didn't really help. Katie Flood wasn't great. Yeah. None of them really helped. But okay, well, there's that. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. I got these bar stools from Article. And they fit my mid-century modern space so well. There's nothing cheap about these. They are sturdy. They are heavy. They've got leather seats.

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25:34Ronnie Karam: Good news. And that is a congratulations. It is to a new human that's in the world. Congratulations, new human. You are the eighth child. You're going to be the eighth child of Kelsey Grammer. 70-year-old dad is about to have his eighth.

25:54Ben Mandelker: I love the misdirection. The misdirection was amazing. And here we thought it was going to be Kristen Doty, but no, Frazier.

26:02Ronnie Karam: I mean, congrats to her, too. I'm sure that baby psyched you. But the one who really won is Frazier. How many kids can you not support, sir?

26:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, maybe like it's too much tossed salad and scrambled eggs at this point.

26:20Ben Mandelker: Can we not? Yeah. Stop. Stop having babies.

26:24Ronnie Karam: Speaking of babies that are eventually going to be screwed over, kim zolciak uh now this is uh from next gen nyc because ariana kim's daughter is on there and said that her mom went through all of her money she went through all of the daughter's money that she made as an influencer and all this stuff as a kid and so now kim zolciak's money revealed housewife star owes more than 1.8 million dollars in taxes and fees so yeah she may need to borrow more money as she owes more than$1 million in taxes and other fees. And you know, like, I wonder how much of that was just like at nickel machines in the local casinos, because she was like a big nickel machine person.

27:09Ben Mandelker: You know, this makes me more mad at Teresa, because you know what? I'm sure Kim Zolciak would have loved to have been on WGN talking to Larry about her tax woes. And there Teresa just hangs up like, oh, no big deal. When there are people like him who are out there actively trying to lose their money so that way they could be interviewed by a local radio tv station like that is shame on teresa shame on the privilege that she showed in that in that instance when hard-working people like kim zolciak i should say hard losing people like kim zolciak are doing their best to lose at every nickel quarter and penny slot there is in between atlanta and western mississippi yeah well this was i mean we all know kim's broken

27:52Ronnie Karam: and she owes a lot of money. So that's not necessarily news. But the reason I clicked on this headline was because it says, oh, I thought it was, nevermind, I just read it wrong. I thought Kim Zolciak was commenting on it because I really wanted to hear Kim comment on it. Like, that wasn't her money. I made that money. I made all that money with, you know, we made more money than the Kardashians, wherever that went. I don't know. I don't know where that money went with that crazy kid. I thought I wanted to hear what Kim has to say about it. Have you heard Kim respond to any of this?

28:20Ben Mandelker: I, no, I haven't. I mean, I don't generally, I mean, I haven't heard her say anything about it. I mean, based on the fact that she's, you know, stealing money from Ariana, I have to say that it sounds like financially things are not going so well for her. But, oh, yeah, I did see this headline.

28:37Ronnie Karam: Guess what the headline is. I was reading the wrong headline. OK, you know what? Sometimes I just copy and paste too many headlines into the thing. Former Real Housewives star hits back at claim. She stole her daughter's money. And this is from the Daily Beast. after next gen star ariana claimed all this kim zolciak blah blah blah says her estranged husband of former atlanta falcons linebacker croy is the one responsible for the financial woes of the family just so we're clear we're in 2025 and he just got back he just got a job in march of 2024 okay and um he works as a crane and rigging coordinator at superior rigging and erecting company.

29:20Ben Mandelker: Well, I mean, based on the number of kids in that household, I would say there's been a lot of erecting for sure. Yeah.

29:28Ronnie Karam: And with all those, there's been a lot of wigging. He's at Superior Wigging in Superior Wigging and Erecting Company. So she's blaming Croy. I don't know what Croy spent it on. Maybe rigging something. This is scratch-offs. This money has all gone to scratch-offs. So Kim said even with the job he hadn't paid a bill in this house in years not clothes for my children not extracurricular nothing i've worked my ass off to provide for my family and my children he stole every piece of jewelry i ever owned in my life prior to him as well as real's and sold it all every piece i ever owned in my life every piece wow you know it's so funny because you know

30:11Ben Mandelker: instead of doing that you know what else she could have done gotten a job yeah you know look

30:16Ronnie Karam: I mean, it's not like it's not like Croy gets off scot-free with any of this stuff. But yeah, Kim, get a job. I mean, seriously, my God, the man is working as a great operator. So I'm going to be on his side more than your side. You know, that man's like out there rigging and erecting.

30:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah, precisely. I think like, I don't know, Kim Zolciak, get a job. It's been a long time. Kim Zolciak, here's my advice to you. Rig, erect. Rig and erect. Okay. Kroy can do it. You can do it too.

30:54Ben Mandelker: I like this headline. Bryn Whitfield admits she wanted Bravo to fire her before choosing to exit Roni. This is too much. Okay. So that's what she wanted. She wanted it all along, guys. All this time, it's what she wanted. so she tells People Magazine during an episode of her Please See Below podcast I decided at the reunion that I wasn't going to return and I was like it wasn't too much sure

31:25Ronnie Karam: instead I wanted them to fire me like I just knew I wasn't going to do it but I was hoping that they would either fire me or like I was hoping one day like they would cancel the show or something or they'd be like hey we're done casting we signed everyone sorry Brian thanks If you hoped that, then why did you decide after the reunion? She's so full of crap.

31:45Ben Mandelker: Because it was hard. Hard. I'm a baby.

31:50Ronnie Karam: She was inspired by Paige DeSorbo's social media post announcing her summer house exit. So she just quit because she really likes Paige and Paige did it.

31:59Ben Mandelker: But she wanted to follow in the footsteps of a fellow icon, Paige DeSorbo. Like, please don't elevate yourself to Paige DeSorbo. Like, like she did it. And I'll be a trailblazer too. You didn't, you were fired. Stop saying that you quit on your own. You were fired. Yeah.

32:15Ronnie Karam: So they made me quit. I just wanted them to break up with me, but they made me quit. Please see below.

32:23Ronnie Karam: So she's like, yeah, I saw Paige do it. And I was like, I want that. I was just so happy for her. And I was like, I kind of want that for myself. Yeah. But Paige left because she had all these other prospects.

32:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah, Paige was succeeding massively and the audience loved her and she was coasting off of the goodwill of millions of people. That's what prompted that. Yeah.

32:48Ronnie Karam: Did you hear about this? I mean, some of these I think we've already talked about. I think I mentioned in the Valley that Damon Dash owes$20 million in unpaid taxes. God, this is really about everybody just owing money. I guess the point of today's crappy hour is save your money. save your money yeah save your money because uh now his daughter's getting kicked out so all those nepo babies are screwed and they've been complaining about the reality tv kids coming on and ruining their like rep because they're like actual new yorkers who are rich but yeah you guys it's not holding up so be nicer to ariana that's my other suggestion for that crew geez yeah um

33:30Ben Mandelker: Here's a headline that says, this is from Reality Tea. Tamara Judge has an apology for the Valley's Zach Wickham. I didn't even know that they even had a dust-up to begin with. But during a recent episode of Two Teas in a Pod, basically Tamara gave major props to how Zach handled himself in the latest episode of The Valley. So, why is she? She goes, I have an apology. I have like an apology for Zach Betch. because the first part of the season, I was like, just not filling him back. Good to see Tamara still on the wrong side of history as usual. But because by the way, Zach was perfectly good on the first half of this season.

34:08Ben Mandelker: And I'm not just saying that because Zach came onto our show. He was like, good. I don't know what the issue is.

34:12Ronnie Karam: So would she say that he sucked on the show?

34:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah. She said that. And then she goes, I like his wig now. But this is also should not even be a headline. Like this is actually bad reporting because they make it sound like they had a feud. And all this is, is that in the beginning of the season, Tamara was like, yeah, I don't know if I feel Zach. And now she's like, yeah, you know what? I like Zach now. I mean, how many times did we do that on our show? Where are our headlines? Reality TV, why aren't you reporting to the world that we've changed our minds on a reality star?

34:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you've got to get a post where you've got to get a PR person to call them and be like, wow, Watch what Crappens said that Bryn didn't really quit. You know, they've got good PR over there, Tamar and Teddy. They always have. Ever since they started that show, it's like, oh, my God, here's what Teddy Mellencamp thinks about Sutton living on a main road. You know, and it's some article about what they talked about on their podcast. You know, I mean, hey, don't hate the hustler.

35:12Ben Mandelker: Alvy in the comments says, why are you repeating bad reporting? Because we are bad reporters.

35:21Ben Mandelker: Why are we repeating bad reporting?

35:23Ronnie Karam: Because we're not a news show. We're literally just like sitting around here reading over headlines. And that's what they are. But to get away from bad headlines, here's one that Alvi can stick in her pipe and smoke. The traitorous cast. This is a real. This is a real. There's some good cast in a real show. OK, you know what? It's not just Tamara who said it.

35:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah, this is a good cast. I feel like did we really talk? Did we talk about this?

35:49Ronnie Karam: did we save this we mentioned this is a couple housewives in it but no we haven't gone over the

35:54Ben Mandelker: full cast of this so let's go why don't we go over it why don't we go over it shall we yeah yeah okay do it so we'll just we just go in the order that they have them here in this uh in this listing

36:03Ronnie Karam: here in this article shall we do that oh sure we've got donna kelsey who's the mother of nfl stars travis and jason lady i'm sick of seeing your children everywhere and i don't fucking need to see you everywhere either get the fuck out of my face and take your children with you they're both very handsome i'm sure they're both very talented they both look smelly and ungroomed get them out of my house okay get them out of my face i am still pro kelsey brothers like they

36:30Ben Mandelker: haven't i this is strange they haven't bothered me like i'm not burnt out i'm not like the kelsey brothers i'm not mad that their podcast is like so huge just by like them only just starting in like a second ago. I like them. I like their podcast. I like Donna. So I'm, I'm, I'm surprised that I haven't had a contrarian response to them yet, but I'm sure it will come.

36:53Ronnie Karam: I don't know her and I don't know them. I don't know sports. I don't understand them. I feel very offended by sports being put in my face, you know, just like you don't want my balls put in your face. I don't want your balls put in my face. I did not ask for this. And I feel like that should be relegated to Sundays with chips and whatever straight people do while they watch that. Sorry, I'm not saying gay people don't watch it, but that's how it is from my childhood. And so I want you to go do that somewhere over there. I don't want this in my gay life. And I feel like Taylor Swift, you know, like I'm not a big Swifty, but like I'm gay.

37:23Ronnie Karam: So I feel like she's one of my presidents and that's just how I'm going to support her. And now I have to deal with straight and straight things all the time like football. I don't want to hear about it. I don't know who your big old fish, you know, hairy backed people are in your life. Just stay away. Leave me alone.

37:37Ben Mandelker: I feel you. do you think that they're going to make her a traitor or not? Because, you know, it might be fun to have like the older woman of the group be a traitor. Or do you think they're going to make her faithful? So that way if people accuse her of being a traitor, it's that much more shocking.

37:56Ronnie Karam: Well, let me tell you one thing I've noticed from the traitors, because I've watched a bunch of the UK seasons because I needed my traitor fix. So I think I watched two or three of those seasons. I'm going to say, did we watch?

38:06Ben Mandelker: We watched seasons two and three together. Oh, two and three. Quietly. We didn't really broadcast it very much, but we watched it quietly with each other on tour and then talked about it. Yeah.

38:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So as we watched that one, I noticed that whenever they put an older person in there, the younger people always get rid of them. Because I feel like young people just don't trust old people. That's just how it is. And it could be it doesn't even mean they have to be legit young. They could be 20. You could be 30. They ain't going to trust you. You could be 40, they could be 30. They can trust you. So, like, look, if people don't agree with us, look what they say. They're like, stupid boomers. First of all, we're not boomers. And second of all, how dare you? You're like 35. So I think that that's just natural.

38:51Ronnie Karam: So I don't think it's wise to put the older person as the traitor because younger people will just kick them off because they naturally don't trust them. It's like they blame, you know, we blame the older generations for everything that's gone wrong.

39:04Ben Mandelker: As we should, because they did it. They did something first. So we have to deal with it. You know, it's like they also gave us the iPhone.

39:11Ronnie Karam: You know what I mean? They gave us cable. They gave us, you know, people magazine like just going back through history. People did horrible things, but they also gave you good things.

39:20Ben Mandelker: Like, listen, if I'm if I'm driving on the highway and the person in front of me throws an iPhone out their window and hits my windshield, I could be like, yeah, I have an iPhone now, but I've also driven off the road.

39:30Ronnie Karam: well but you can call somebody about it because you've got an iphone now

39:34Ben Mandelker: that they just said guess what you're about to piss off alvey again because alvey says ageism is alive and well actually i don't know actually alvey may be agreeing with us maybe not pissed off alvey's alvey's a real firebrand yeah i like alvey leave alvey alone stop torturing maybe alvey's an older person and i'm just like automatically falling into the trap um so here who else is on so donna is on it um from the world of bravo we have portia williams who i think is going to be great i think portia is going to think i think she's going to sort of have the chris shell role i think she's going to accuse lots of people or maybe the dolores role of just like totally getting it wrong but being likable in that space caroline stanbury which i think is going to be great i think i want caroline stanbury to be to have some real good time at the um at the table because i just want her to be very cutting and to chop some people down

40:28Ronnie Karam: i can see caroline doing well because she's going to stay mostly quiet at first because you know caroline stanbury doesn't really like other people it takes her a long time to start talking so she'll stay out of the fray and let the bigger characters go at it uh candace dillard from potomac candace stillard bassett that's an interesting one it i'm not sure what her personality is like these days it's been a while since we've seen her on the tv but she does that pageant girl thing which i think is on putting for a lot of people at first well she will cry a lot by the way i just want to say

41:00Ben Mandelker: alvy was agreeing with us so looks like one big happy family um but candace is gonna that cry angle is gonna get a lot of use on the traders that it'll just they're just gonna have a big permanent supply of cry angles just sitting there in the middle of the table that she will just be reaching for because she is going to cry at the table. She's going to cry after the table. She's going to cry for being accused. She's going to cry when she accuses. She's going to cry when she does a challenge. She's going to knock. I mean, she will be a... I'm excited for all the people who have no experience with Candace Dillard to see what she's all about because they're going to be...

41:34Ronnie Karam: It's not the crying I'm excited for. It's the reading for Phil and dragging people to the depths of hell even when she doesn't have to. It's like going way too low in a fight when she doesn't really need to. that's what I like and I hope it's against Donna Kelsey

41:48Ben Mandelker: why do I feel like she's not going to do that I feel like she won't read for filth I feel like she's going to be I feel like she's going to be dead set on rebranding herself and I think that she still wants to make her pop career happen or her R &B career happen and so she is going to present herself as a singer and likable to America and so I think she's going to just try to be like an America sweetheart i think she will go back to pageant mode but if she can read someone that would be great although she and porsche had friction on ultimate girls trip so that might be an issue she may not be able to if she if she does try to do what i'm suspecting she may try um her friction with porsche may drag her back in to real housewives mode okay so then we have

42:33Ronnie Karam: lisa renna i'm excited to see lisa renna on this show it'll be great i feel like her last couple of years of Beverly Hills, she just got too much into the toxic fray and got into the housewives thing of teaming up to try and bring people down. And it ruined her. I mean, I think Lisa Renna was great when she was just light messy, you know? Yes. She thought it was all stupid and she can't even believe she's doing this ridiculous thing. And that's kind of when she was good. And it's when she started taking it too seriously that she went wackadoo. Now, I think she still does take it too seriously.

43:06Ronnie Karam: So I think she's going to be more wackadoo than ever because now she's like that model she's like reinvented herself as like a model again like as a model momager but also like a model herself she's like look at me i have crazy gray hair today and like insane clown makeup and or like zombie clown makeup or whatever she's doing over there but um i'm interested to see this iteration of lisa rima i think lisa is going to have some

43:30Ben Mandelker: some decent reads i think she will be good she has a lot of experience on celeb reality shows and competitions. I think she will confront people in a way that will be good. I think she will have some, she won't be afraid to speak up at the round table. I I'm hoping that we sort of get in touch with the Lisa Rinna who came on to Beverly Hills, like you said, uh, versus the one who left it. Um, but I think that she plays the game. I think she's eager, you know, to sort of get back in front of those cameras in front of the Bravo audience and like prove herself again. And so I think that she will be a really strong addition.

44:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And then they're giving another chance to miss Dorinda Medley. Thank goodness.

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47:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah, do you think they will protect her in some way? Do you think they will make her a traitor? do you think they will give her some sort of like ring of protection that she can't be vote like they'll have something that she comes in and she can't be voted off first or something like that

47:21Ronnie Karam: i don't know but i think she's going to be voted off first i don't think they'll protect her because i think they i think these people are evil and they will think it's hilarious if dorinda's voted

47:31Ben Mandelker: off first again i think they will i i think rinna and dorinda will clash for some reason i don't know why i feel like rinna is gonna be like hello dorinda oh yeah you think you're friends with me you're not friends with me well i was just saying hello to you okay well you know what why don't you say hello to your ass because that's the only thing i'm looking at right now a big fucking ass

47:52Ronnie Karam: right in front of me yeah i think that rinna is going to do something problematic that's gonna that's my um prediction i think rinna is going to be around people who are not real housewives people and her mouth is going to get her into some problematic trouble that's what i think wow That's my rando prediction. That's big. I don't know, but you know, we've got a couple gamers too. We've got Ian Terry from Big Brother Season 14.

48:20Ben Mandelker: That's kind of a fun choice. Yeah, he's like a permanent little boy kind of guy. Yeah. You know? Tiffany Mitchell, who was part of the cookout season, and she was like a fan favorite. Tiffany was really strong. We really liked her. I haven't seen her on the challenge since then. So I don't know if she's still beloved or not. But she's there. Rob Sesternino. No, he's great. I'm excited for him. I think that they like he wanted to be on Survivor 50 and he wasn't chosen. So I love that he's actually getting to be on Traders instead. Natalie Anderson. So Natalie was on The Amazing Race and then she wound up being on Survivor.

49:00Ben Mandelker: And, you know, I like Natalie. I think she's a good choice as well. and yam yam yam yam yam yam yam yam is the one who beat caroline caroline last year on survivor yam yam and caroline were were allies and yam yam was pretty he was he was cool i liked yam yam even though i wanted caroline to win that season so this is a nice selection of survivor big brother people it's not that awful selection they had last year like i really did not like the big brother and survivor people last year that they drafted in i liked well it was carolyn

49:35Ronnie Karam: last year so i loved her yeah i mean i'm obviously the year before and i loved her or the two years ago so because this is four right so siri was on there i really liked her so i don't know any of the survivor people so i i kind of like them because they're all new to me like i liked rob last year i liked him he was good yeah i mean i think they bring it was good i'm just saying like

49:56Ben Mandelker: They just sort of brought on a whole bunch of bros. And it was kind of like Rob and Derek. That's true. They did overrun me. It's just like, it was like, ugh. So then we also have, I love this. This is great. Rob from Love Island, USA. He, of the snakes and the overalls and the hiding in the swimming pool, he is going to be on. I think he will be hilarious. I think he's going to be one of those people that will have like a shockingly good read. But he won't be able to convince people or back it up. and he'll probably get murdered because he calls out some of the traitors. And then we also have Maura Higgins, who I don't think you've had a huge amount of exposure to her except on seeing After Sun last year.

50:37Ben Mandelker: But Maura on her season of Love Island was fantastic. She's got this amazing, strident, and strong Irish accent. And she goes hot and cold very quickly. And when she goes hot, oh, my God, she's just great. And so I'm really hoping that that Maura is still there. And not like the media trained after Sun hosts Maura.

50:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, other stars complete peating. You know that I love this next one. And this is a problematic take, too. Because when he won The Bachelor, he became crazy and, like, started stalking the girl that he was with. And, like, I think he put a tracker in his car. Like, he went nuts. And then he came out of the closet. So then it turned out he was a gay stalker stalking this girl. I mean, it was crazy. But I still stand by the picture I had when I used to recap The Bachelor over at Rose Pricks. And it was this guy's season. And I cut myself into every single bachelorette and put my head on top of theirs so I could be vying to marry Colton Underwood.

51:36Ronnie Karam: Okay. Love me some Colton Underwood. He's so dumb. And he's like, I don't know. He's like, I have my charity. It's for, like, people who like leather jackets and are too young to buy them in football. Like, it's something so weird. like he was like a motorcycle weird flimsy motorcycle jackets and odd hair and like a little lisp i just love little colton underwood what what a little what a little angel i can't wait to see what happens to colton he'll be out first yeah i feel like he'll be kind of boring

52:06Ben Mandelker: on it like he might be in that like um like what pilot p role like that semi dylan effron like dylan effron was like i think we all liked him but there was something about him kind of boring I feel like we all like Dylan Efron, but we all were simultaneously rooting for him not to win. I don't know. Or maybe that was just me.

52:24Ronnie Karam: We like Dylan Efron. It's just, you know, it's like when the obvious good guy, it's like, I'm the best good guy there ever is. It's kind of annoying. You know what I mean? I've got a lot of Ursula the Sea Witch in me, as we all know. And it's just the good guy just being so earnest and just, I'm just such a good guy. And everyone's like, oh my God, he's the best guy you can possibly be in training. Yeah. I just want them to, you know, I want them. I want the I want the sea witch to win. I want Ursula to win, you know?

52:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And also that he like just did whatever Rob told him to do. And I really hated that. He like sent he like turned against my favorites. And he's like, yeah, he's like the good guy. And he's like such the good guy. And then you look at his social media and he's got like he's a gorgeous. He's got this gorgeous body and he's always shirtless doing like good guy kind of things like playing with golden retrievers and like going to Disneyland with his like brother who somehow is four years old. or like doing something nice and he just lives like this charmed golden perfect life and i'm like fuck you you know yeah yeah he's great but i want to be his friend but like he's also

53:22Ronnie Karam: like a response like he's adorable and so you know you want to see him fail

53:29Ben Mandelker: he was way better than pilot pete like at least like dylan effron is like aspirational and like i actually feel like i would enjoy being in his presence except for the like the no bathing thing but like pilot pete was actually like insufferable and annoying oh pilot pete's the worst yeah and

53:42Ronnie Karam: he was on his season too he's terrible uh but dylan was i going to say about dylan uh he's in his defense in his season when we started not liking dylan he didn't even do anything wrong we just didn't like that he wasn't letting the person we wanted to win win because like we really like britney and so he wasn't just handing the game to britney and we're like how dare you you sexist yeah we were like we're like britney has really good points you're not listening to

54:08Ben Mandelker: them fuck you for being absolutely correct in your statement and not just having heard the whole

54:13Ronnie Karam: game so i think he played a really good game and i feel like we were unfair to him but anyway he's not on this why are we talking no he's not but by the way the traders is so i'll say that the

54:22Ben Mandelker: traders is so funny because like you get so angry at the faithful for not being able to figure out the traders like oh my god you guys are all idiots why don't you figure out who the trader is and the moment they find out the trader like fuck you we liked our traders why would you do that to us

54:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we're like, leave the traitors alone. They're just trying to murder everybody. Can't a villain get a lunch break.

54:43Ben Mandelker: I think it's because when the faithful miss, they always take out someone we really like. And I'm like, no. Yeah, it's true.

54:50Ronnie Karam: That show fucks with your head on who to root for, you know. Okay, so we've also got Top Chef host Kristen Kish. Not sure. I'm interested to see what her real, you know, her off hosting personality is like. She seems pretty cool on Top Chef. Yeah. So we'll see.

55:07Ben Mandelker: I think I mentioned this maybe on our Top Chef recap. It's a weird choice for me, and this has nothing to do with who Kristen Kish is. It's just a weird choice because Top Chef seems to be a reality show that is higher end and a little fancier and above typical reality show shenanigans. And in fact, the one time that they started to go into that space when they shaved Marcel's hair and all those people got kicked off because we're not about that. So it seems sort of odd to me that the host of a show, like it'd be one thing if it was like a chef testant who then comes here. They're like, OK, they're on the reality circuit like Richard Blaze in Sacrifice Assault of that ages ago with all that.

55:45Ben Mandelker: But like the host of Top Chef going on to the traders just feels strange to me. But my theory is that this is this way NBCU can promote the upcoming season of Top Chef by having Kristen on the show. And then traders begets like that comes off the schedule. Top Chef comes on. That's like my only way I can imagine why she was cast on this.

56:06Ronnie Karam: Well, I predict that that is the most conversation we're going to have about Kristen. Because I just don't, I don't see her bringing much to my conversation. She's just going to cry. But, you know, I'm rooting for her. I like her. So then let's go through some of these real quick.

56:19Ben Mandelker: She'll be like, Dorinda, I love you, but I'm going to vote for you, Dorinda. Everything's going to be her saying that, saying she loves someone and then choking up and voting someone else.

56:26Ronnie Karam: You guys, I had to do this last week and it was really difficult. So as someone who's been here at this round table before, let me tell you, I understand where your guys are coming from. Okay.

56:36Ben Mandelker: As someone who's eaten at a round table before, earn this. Okay. Savor this moment.

56:45Ronnie Karam: I'm going to go through these last ones real quick until we get to the worst of the bunch, just because we need to get out of here so we can talk to listeners and stuff. But Eric Nam from, he's a singer songwriter. I don't know.

56:57Ben Mandelker: No idea who he is.

56:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, me neither. But that means nothing. by the way.

57:00Ben Mandelker: I'm a boomer. Don't forget.

57:02Ronnie Karam: Dancing with the Stars, Mark Ballas. Drag Race alum Monet, which should be an exchange. She's a big one. Yeah, she's huge. Comedian Roy Funches and then Laguna Beach, The Real Orange County alum, Stephen Coletti. That's a weird one, right? It's a weird one.

57:20Ben Mandelker: Ron Funches is weird, too. I think. Yeah, we get real weird

57:26Ronnie Karam: here at the end. And then Olympic figure skaters johnny weir and tara lipinski so i kind of love that duo on this show because they're like

57:34Ben Mandelker: you know they're like they host together and they're like besties on nbc so that's like that's a fun duo and they're like very funny together and johnny weir is going to be a crazy one to

57:41Ronnie Karam: have on here okay so the biggest controversy i think is actor michael rapapur people are going to go crazy with he's going to be the most obnoxious fucking person to ever be on this show and that's saying something he's just he's too much he's too much he's gonna be very on and he's

57:59Ben Mandelker: gonna be oh god i will i will be so mad if he's if he if he has like a good edit and then we all wind up liking him if we all start being like i can't believe i like michael rapaport but i think

58:08Ronnie Karam: that he's not so annoying on it that guy's gonna be so fucking annoying oh my god listen it could

58:13Ben Mandelker: be worse it could be jerry o 'connell that's what i say so i predict the person that candace will

58:18Ronnie Karam: read the filth because i think that candace uh reputation be damned she knows that music is not going to sell very well she's going to come back on here and try and re-cement her reputation as a really good reader and housewife so she can get back on that show and i think she's or a show like that and i think she is going to read michael rapapur for filth okay i think i think so he's going to open his big stupid mouth and she's going to just let him fucking have it and i can't wait

58:45Ben Mandelker: I think she will and I think it will be great because I'm I I feel like he thinks he had he has like he because he's in an interracial relationship I think and I believe I remember when he had that famous scene with um Kenya Moore on Watch Happens Live I definitely got the sense that he thinks that he has like a card like he he can like play the black card and he's like a white guy and I'm like I don't think so when he was calling her feet ashy I was like yeah no you don't get you don't make to make the in jokes the cultural in jokes like that as a white guy just because you're married to a black woman.

59:15Ben Mandelker: Sorry, I would never do that.

59:16Ronnie Karam: I will give credit for having this talent. He made me excited to see Candace back on TV again because I wasn't, I'm not a hater, but I'm not like a huge fan. I wasn't like, oh my God, Candace. But now that I know that she's got Michael Rappaport to yell at, I'm like, yes, Candace. I'm going to get t-shirts made with Candace's face on them.

59:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but you know, like reality TV gods are cruel and they're going to have like an unlikely friendship and they will like look out for each other and it'll be like really frustrating. You know, like that's what's going to happen. And I think if I had to look at that, I think if I looked at this group, I see Natalie from Survivor going very far. I'm just going to predict that. I think that she can like lay low and play like she's just like a nice, nice person. I think that like she was a very power. She was a very strong Survivor player. But I don't think that people always think of her as a strong Survivor player the way they do with like Boston Rob and someone like that.

1:00:05Ben Mandelker: And I think that she can just be like very like girly and friendly with everyone. but like she but she will sort of I think go under the radar I think she could be a very very

1:00:15Ronnie Karam: effective trader I think my vote for one of the top people is going to be Kristen I think Kristen has a is has a really good chance she's very smart she can get along with anybody she's going to be quiet enough that she's non-threatening in the beginning and she's going to everyone's going to see her as a non-threat until the very end. I think Kristen has a really good chance. But let's see, everybody. This is the ending of our talking portion of this, our audio portion. We are going to talk to you guys now via video chat. So anybody who is with us on YouTube Live, StreamYard, whatever, Patreon, you will get a link in your comments right now and you can come on and we'd love to talk to you.

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