#3612 RHONY S16E10 Part Two: Bilt Up, Torn Down

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1:50Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show. So then we go to Jaisal talking. Jaisal and Sire are talking to a comedian. And Jaisal just turns to this comedian and is like, are you gay? And he's like, no, I wish I were. She's like, oh, yeah, well, yeah, life would be easier. And he starts talking about Equinox. Straight guys always say shit like this. Well, I wish I was gay.

2:29If it was gay, I'd probably get laid a lot more. Gay guys always want to fuck me. Oh, my God. But they don't want to talk to you, though. trust me no gay would be standing here no self-respecting gay would be standing here having this conversation with your terrible comedian ass trust so watch your mouth what's the what you say about the gays what's this thing with equinox they have to keep on like blurring out equinox because you know equinox will be like we do not want to be known as a gay steam room even though that's what everyone knows it seriously i know how many of us are like might be time to go back to the gym.

3:05I mean, I didn't know people were still doing that. It's the only time I had a decent body was when there were blowjobs being given in steam rooms. So then this guy's like, yeah, the steam room is the biggest gay hotbed in New York City. And Sian Jester's like, whoa. He's like, oh yeah, there's a whole code. Those gays have a whole code. It's crazy. They're like, whoa. I'm kind of embarrassed for this cast. I'm there. I'm saying it, you know? I know I'm being a hater today. I don't care. This cast knows nothing about gay culture, yet they call their gay hairdresser for every little thing to, like, start their fights.

3:42Like, come on. You guys don't know anything about this? You don't even have any gays. Why am I watching this? It's like a barometer for your entertainment level. Like, if you don't even have any gays to tell you Equinox blowjob stories, then you're not worthy of my time on television. they're probably just not listening because they obviously have gays because they they've like summoned their various gays to help like you know bring the the povet rumor onto the air right and like they've they've all their issues are with conversations they've had with their makeup people this year but um obviously the makeup people are like we're just not gonna bother telling them about gay code and steam rooms it's just it's they're not gonna get it let's just let erin hang that like honeycomb green that green honeycomb poof in her room and just be done with it well also and i'm sorry to be a bad gay myself but what is the code i don't i think that's stupid that's such a straight guy thing to be like oh wow gay guys they have a code well i mean i i'm sure there's like a like a gym bathhouse code of like the eye like a you know the cruising eyes or whatever i mean back before grinder there famously was like all sorts of code with like you put a kerchief in your back pocket if it's like this color it means this if it's that if it's that color it means that and like yeah there's all sorts of rooms you don't have pockets i mean you have i know i don't think that you know i think steam rooms it's just kind of like you just stare at someone and if they stare back well that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying it's not it's not so difficult that it's code i mean it still works you just and you don't have to be in a steam room you look at somebody like you want to you want to fuck i want to fuck and then you do it and then that's it it's not like there's some morse you know you're not tapping on something i mean i think the code like they kerchief and stuff i don't know it just seemed very difficult it's much easier to be like this is my wiener do you want it the end yeah so um now they're talking about pavit and how he's eating everything at erica's birthday party and then they're talking but they just start talking about the birthday party again and all the food and how one of them says something about there was so much pasta at the party it's sort of I don't remember exactly what they said, but then Daisy is like, oh my God, how are you guys still all talking about a party that I wasn't invited to?

5:59Oh my God, you were invited. You were invited. Daisy's like, you were invited. And Daisy's like, was this all because of the island? She's like, no, it was because the island and everything before and after too. I just don't like you. jayzy's like oh is this because anchor hates me anchor hits me right anchor yeah and she's like well i did tell him what you said about the island she's like what what do you mean like what did i even say about the island she's like oh my god you were talking about our furniture i mean my gosh like oh the coffee maker don't forget that remember when by the way i put coffee makers on the map.

6:39Picture it. The year was 1989. To get a coffee, you really had to go out back and grind. I did it first, Barbara Walters. Wow. First time Barbara Walters had a coffee at home. That woman was a real crackhead. You know, I don't really want to talk about coffee in Maxwell House. Hey, Maxwell is my family. Don't talk Talk about him. I barely knew Maxwell. Barely knew her. I don't know what you're talking about. I've got a picture of you standing next to a canister of Maxwell. No. I had no idea. Wait, wait, wait. Wait. Galate Maxwell. Oh, my God. Isn't that her name? Yes. I was like, did you just make Maxwell go from being a Kennedy to Epstein?

7:39And then it turns out it was already there. Clay Maxwell. She was there the whole time. I didn't know Maxwell, but I did know Starbuck. So then they're talking about coffee makers or whatever. and Daisy they're like because Daisy's like I didn't complain about everything and then they all list everything that she complained about the bugs the coffee maker the furniture the weather the shape of the island the color of the grass yeah she's like maybe one day I'll get on Ink's good side then I'll be allowed to be invited places and Jess was like it's not that she's like it was my birthday it had nothing to do with Encore oh yeah yeah what are you saying that Encore calls the shots around here And Erica's like, I think we all know I call the shots in that relationship.

8:32Well, you know what? You're a little bit of a different person when your husband's around. And then they're like, what's that supposed to mean? And Erica's like, yeah, what are you talking about? She's like, I don't know. I just feel like, you know, I only know a buttoned up version of you. She's like, I am never buttoned up. Okay, I'm a former wrestler who does athletics at Equinox. while the hobbit's getting a blowjob downstairs. I'm like so like myself around my husband. Like I farted in front of him like two weeks into dating. You told me he sounded like a beluga whale. Which we do have on our private island, I'd like to add.

9:12So Daisy's like, you know, and I'm annoyed with this conversation. I don't know why she's so bent out of shape. I mean, I'm just giving her some constructive criticism. I'm like, you've given a lot of constructive criticism to Erica this season. And she's not bent out of shape. You're just trying for a problem to someone who doesn't care. She does not care. She literally just paid for a person to mock you publicly. You're not going to bother her. So then it starts to mist. So Devin's like, yeah, this hair cannot be in this mist right now. And then Daisy goes up to Sai and Jessel and just stands there.

9:48And Jaisal's Jaisal's like I'm gonna go Because I feel like you two are about to have a fight So bye I've already used up my lip gloss disc So I'll be over there Having a slice of pizza So I said you know what I don't even understand What you're doing Like we've been friends for fucking years And then what happened with Erica's You know at Aaron's house That was weird And like now you have an authority over me And you tell me when to be quiet and how to act in my manners? You know what? You think I have authority over you? Yeah, that's what it feels like. Nobody has authority over you. Well, you're like, I'm trying to help you.

10:28It's like small side. You're sitting there going, Carol, Carol, Carol. Again, let's remind everyone that Cy's foot is like broken and like 10 different places. It's like fractured all. In reality, she's got sprain fractures. She was just trying to get Carol to come over to her so she wouldn't have to walk across the room because every step probably hurts for her. Carol, Carol, Carol.

10:55Carol, Carol, Carol. You were lunatic. The way that you were screaming. The way that you were screaming in this house. She's like, it cuts to her. She's like, Carol, Carol, Carol. You know, it is like they have really been maintaining the tradition of old roni when it comes to microaggressions. with Psy, I have to say. They keep on saying that she's screaming. She's unhinged. Yeah. She's so loud. I'm like, you guys, like, you know, maybe we'll let one or two of those slip at first, but it's like, it's incessant. And like, why is this only directed at Psy? I'd like to know that. Well, especially when that's your best friend.

11:32I mean, look, Psy is obnoxious as hell. She is. And like, she goes after everybody. She doesn't care. And she even says here herself, she's like, I'm not just going to be some like, you know wuss and like some but you're right and daisy does it the most and it is kind of amusing that on this it's like everybody gets canceled and it's still been so problematic every year after yeah you know i kind of actually almost love that for the show as like a um rebuke to to bravo trying to like trying to be like we're gonna give a new fresh look to roni it's like nope the problems are underpin our society and nothing you can do can eradicate it you tried yeah you can change this show all you want this is still america fuck yeah we're still problematic it's of course i'm not cheering on problematic underpinnings but of course it's it's more like i mean i like where roni is now i'm loving it so i'm very happy with it but like those two years were terrible it's like oh you threw out a like a like like lightning in a bottle you threw that out because you were so afraid.

12:38And guess what? It turns out that that shit just follows no matter what, no matter what cast you put on here. Yeah, Daisy's particularly bad. You know, last week with her, oh my god, she'd left a rich guy for a Cuban firefighter. Yeah. Yeah, well, she's going to get her slaps on the wrist and hopefully she'll be better and learn a lesson. Sometimes you have to learn lessons the hard way. I mean, that's what we, as an audience, Like that's, we spend so much time being like, get them off the platform, but maybe like the platform is good for teaching some people. Now, if they don't learn, that's a problem.

13:10But like. Oh, please. Aaron, did Aaron learn? Aaron's still like, sigh, it's so angry. Like I land early. She's so angry all the time and screaming and she didn't learn. So. I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't think people. People don't learn. Some people just don't learn. Yeah. Some people just don't learn. That's how it is. So they're having this. Sorry, reality star. Me hoping a real housewife is going to learn anything as hilarious. Yes. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappins commercial. The best pieces in your closet are the ones you can count on, whether you're heading to work, going out or keeping things casual.

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17:40so um they're doing the whole oh my god i love sign like i love my sister but you know i just you know i'm just like i'm just looking out for you i'm not trying to be a bitch like oh yeah well you came at me in a way that was like i need to talk a certain way so people can like me i don't give a fuck if people like me it's like yeah it's like i don't want people i don't want to hurt people's feelings that's not being fake like yeah you're by the way daisy's saying that she loves si the way she loves her sister i don't think that is great because you hate your sister and your sister you hate your sister um so daisy daisy's like yeah i just want people to like you which is so condescending because si was here first si was in this group first si already has the friendships in this group and she brought you in like you don't have to be the one to teach si how to become friends with people and it's condescending at very least it's condescending and at the very worst there are like definitely some microaggressions in there so sai is like you know you said you sai however is not concerned with this and actually i will say this i do think that if sai felt like that were like a micro like if she were offended by that i think she would have called out daisy on it it's not up you know like because sai just it's like well fuck this girl she's like you said i gave you bodega sushi and i gave you bodega sushi when you came to check on me when i was going through something you said that and so they're back to the sushi right away.

19:00Here I am. I just like, I'm like, you know, there's some microaggressions here. This is so rude. And so I was like, fuck the microaggressions. You're accusing me of bringing you supermarket sushi.

19:12That's the priority here. Oh, gosh. So Carol's like, well, you know, when I met Daisy and I was complaining about Psy, she was sticking up for Psy. But when the women have something negative to say about Daisy, Psy doesn't defend her at all ever oh carol oh my god you didn't like being called out about the epstein files we get it okay we get it but you're gonna need to come up with a bigger reason to go against someone because you're gonna lose this one every single time you're gonna lose it yeah um i don't i think psi would defend daisy if there's something defensible so then daisy's like daisy doesn't really defend psi anyway she's like well you guys that's how she is but then she still complains about it.

19:59Daisy's two-faced. She's like this with everybody. It's like her whole you know, oh my, when they were talking about the popcorn ceilings in her house and she was bitching about everybody else and then when it came back to her she's like, what, what, what, what, what? So she's full of shit. I know. And so then Daisy's like, so wait, you think I'm a hater? Which I think that is ultimately Daisy's thing is she is a hater. And Cy's like, yeah. And she's like, okay, and you're here trying to make me feel something. She's like, well, I still fed you. She's like, but you're gaslighting me to be like, no, I'm not gaslighting you.

20:32She's like, yes, you are. No, I'm just trying to tell you my feelings. And every time I tell you my feelings, I'm apparently gaslighting you. Yeah. It's not gaslighting when someone tells you right to your face every single thing. She's like, you're a fake asshole and I don't need you talking to me like that. She's like, why are you gaslighting me? What? What? Gaslighting is saying that someone got, not gaslighting is saying this is supermarket sushi and size like no i got it from a market called fish heads or something and and then daisy's like it's supermarket and she's like it's from a specialty market it's supermarket that is literally gaslighting right there someone said in a comment on that recap that it was sugar fish sushi which is kind of hilarious because sugarfish is not some fast food sushi.

21:22I mean, it's a chain, but it's expensive. Okay, so there is a food writer named Carla Lolly. I have one of her cookbooks. She's great. She's wonderful. And on Substack, she has a chat about food and the housewives. And she was saying something. I'm trying to pull it up. I can't find it now. But she was saying something about it. It's called fishtails. And I guess she was saying fishtails, like, fishtails is really good. And that's where Cy got her fish from. I think that's what happened. I don't know. I may be misquoting. But I'm just, the point is this. Cy's fish is apparently legitimate. And Daisy is being a true hater and gaslighter.

22:08Oh, okay. Well, yeah, she is. And this goes on for a really long time, this argument between these two. That no one really cares. I mean, I don't really care. I don't care to this extent. It's too long. So, but maybe it's because we keep talking and talking. I don't, I don't think it, obviously it's lasting longer in our conversation than it did theirs. Well, then it becomes a conversation about like, you're fake, you're fake. You're not saying what you really think. And like, you know, uh, like you're not real. So then Daisy does, I do think she has a good point here when she goes, you know what?

22:42Pick a lane side. Am I a hater because I'm constantly picking on things or my fake because I withhold my opinions. Those are two totally different things, which is kind of true. It's like, is she talking too much? Is she just being too, like, annoying? She's both. She's a hater and she's fake. Like, she said all that stuff to Erica's face about most of the stuff to Erica's face. But then she was still a hater behind her back. And she's still a hater behind everybody's back and then act shocked when they confront her. I mean, you don't have to be one or the other. Human beings are multifaceted.

23:13You can be a good person and also an asshole. Yeah. It's true. Wow. The show has layers. It's super. You guys, it's about humanity. So then we go, Daisy leaves. You know, she gets upset. And Cy's like, wow, she's cranky. And Daisy's like, shut the fuck up, bitch. And, you know, Daisy, who doesn't like Cy being angry all the time, walks away, calls her a bitch, and then jumps in a car. But I do like that they have that relationship, but they just keep saying, shut the fuck up to each other. So then Daisy – now it's a new day and Daisy and Carol are walking across the Brooklyn Bridge, which we know is not going to lead to good things.

23:53Yeah, it's a classic. It's a very bad sign for a relationship. Bethany and Ramona, you know what? You just have to look at yourself. I'm very happy. You're very unhappy. I have a man. Men hate you. You know? This is what it is. Just a classic. One of the most classic scenes of all time. And so then now Daisy and Carol are walking across the bridge and they're just talking. And Carol's like, so what about last night at the comedy? Wasn't that hilarious? And Daisy's like, you know, who did they say that you look like again? Steven Tyler.

24:28Did you guys have the same surgeon or what? So then Erica texts. Is this where Carol, did Carol already tell us like, oh yeah, I don't mind looking like Steven Tyler. Tyler, he's gorgeous. I used to take one of the keyboardists in his band. So I've been around Steven Tyler a very long time. That was earlier. Yeah, that was earlier. So Erica gets a text. And it's, I'm sorry, I'm not Erica. Daisy gets a text from Erica. And so Daisy reads it. And Erica says, last night was outrageous. I don't know what was up with you, but you were super rude and just fully saying untrue things. You know I invited you.

25:08You might want to look into Prevagen. And Carol's like, prep, prep. I guess Daisy says Prevagen or something. You mean Prevagen? And Daisy's like, what is that? It's a brain supplement. It's for memory loss. I put Prevagen on the map. Picture this. I forgot the year. Oh, God. Wait, was she saying I have memory loss? That is so fucked. How dare she say I have memory loss? You know what? It's turning into the friend group like I'm the rude one and I'm the mean one just because I'm saying what I'm thinking. I'm sorry. Yeah, usually if you – by the way, usually when you say what you're thinking in life, you're usually the rude one.

25:46Because I'm telling you one thing. We all think rude things. Listen to our podcast right now. This is not a nice podcast. We're not becoming friends with you, Daisy. All day. All day. I was actually just thinking today. I'm so much nicer when it's in spoken form rather than just my inside thoughts. If I said what was going on in my head all day, I would probably be shot. Yeah. At the very least, push down the stairs or run over with the car. You know, it's bad enough when you guys hear what I'm saying, but you should hear what I'm thinking, you know? Yeah. To serve a fucking medal for not saying that shit.

26:20You do. You do. But I have to say, like, again, Erica sending this text message, she really is showing she's not just this, like, oh, happy-go-lucky person of the people.

26:36She's revealing herself. And I couldn't be more ecstatic. Well, she's already said, like, she knows that you're going to use this as evidence against me. And so she's smart. And she's like, OK, here's the evidence. You're a liar. And everything you said last night was a lie. And I did invite you. So she's, you know, and then Daisy's falling right into it. She's like, I'm going to read this evidence that Erica just sent me because it's receipts. I am a liar. Well, damn it. She got me. She got me. Sucka. So Daisy texts back and says, thanks for the recommendation calling my doctor now. So then Daisy is again like saying that.

27:15So did everyone get invited to this thing? And Carol's like, no, I mean, from our little group, it was Jessel, Haley and I, Cy, Aaron, Abe, Levi came. That was cute. Bryn from last season, Uba, really all the original girls from Roni. It was great. Giuliani came. I mean, really everyone who's anyone from New York. Nancy Reagan was there. Diane Sawyer. Steven Tyler's keyboard. Carol, Carol, come back towards the light. Come on, Carol. Sorry. Where are we? She went into a fugue state. So Daisy says, well, I love the Waco Erica. Yeah, she's doing karaoke like she was Britney Spears in 2001, which is a pop culture reference that I understand and get.

28:10It was really good. Now Daisy likes her because there's someone who's standing up to her. And she's like, I mean, I didn't even know she was like that. Like, I just see her being so quiet all the time. She's like, well, maybe she's reserved around us. What is it? We're too old for her? She's like, oh, God, I'm old enough to be her mother. Carol, I'm old enough to be her mother. see you're old enough to be jesus christ you're old enough to know the original maxwell all right so then we go to printemps which is apparently a whatever it's so haley is walking it's a store because i think printemps means spring if i remember correctly or i could be wrong and haley is walking down the street um and uh she shows up in this store and she has her her eye patches under her eyes and she's talking about how she's gonna be going to nashville and um she that's a she walks in and she's got this hat and she's like look at this hat isn't this hat amazing i got a cowboy hat i'm going to nashville in a cowboy hat look at it sigh and like looks at the hat and is like you still have the cardboard ring what are you doing there's a cardboard ring in here what's wrong with you girl jeez i thought that that's the thing you keep in the hat and then it like makes the shape of a hat or something i am so crazy let's talk about my relationship so you know how i'm married but then you guys were questioning me about how i'm married but i don't know how i'm even married because like that guy like he's just too much you know what i mean so i'm gonna leave him maybe like i don't know maybe i'm gonna leave that guy but then i have to find another guy remember how last week how i said i would never be with a guy again they're disgusting what am i gonna do without a guy i better find another guy and so i was just looking at her like wow you're really fucking idiot but i gotta keep shooting with you i guess yeah um it's funny because i felt like hayley was sort of like disappearing for the show for a little bit a little bit but now boom her marriage is falling apart i do love when she says reuben because she's like like i love reuben but you know and i've known him my whole life i mean reuben can't do anything wrong i mean he's such a good guy i love that reuben you know and he's like my family.

30:24Ruben's my family. And he's been the most reliable family member I've ever had. But like, I've never gotten just to see what I want. I've never dated. Love is a complicated thing. And the best piece of advice I ever received in my life was actually from a drug dealer I knew. And he said, yo, Haley, romance don't pay the bills. Finance does. And you know, that always stuck with me.

30:46I mean, you can date finance is the thing. I would say, you know, to the drug dealer, you know expand your horizons and then um just as she drops that bit of wisdom on us she just swats at the air she's like oh got her got oh i think i got her i don't know does she in here oh no she really does just keep going on and on about this she's like yeah you know ruben like we have like a mother-son relationship it's like you know i know he can be a lot i know he can be a lot but But I still liked him. And I mean, I just don't know. Like, how am I going to like not be with Ruben? You don't live with Ruben.

31:28You're already in a different city than Ruben. You've already left Ruben. You barely have to be with this person. Who needs to leave him? You don't need to be with Ruben. So she's going on and on about Ruben. She's like, I don't ever want to have a fight with Ruben. Ruben. It's hard for us to feel anything because we don't know Ruben. You need to expose Ruben on TV and do like every other Real Housewife does where they're like, this is what my husband is like. Oh, isn't this nice? And you know that we're all going to hate your husband. And then so when you leave your husband, of course, we're going to be on your side because we've seen what an idiot you were with in the first place.

32:04But if you don't give us that backstory, I don't know anything about Ruben. Yeah, we don't know anything about Ruben. so Haley's like her hope is that she can they could just have a a nice easy divorce because she's like we don't have kids I don't want to be nasty I'm not asking for money and sad's like yeah but the thing is with divorce people change drastically and there's the attitudes and everything when it comes to divorce and David and I we're getting a divorce and I never ever ever in a million years would ever think he would treat me any differently than he has always treat me over the years but now I'm seeing a completely different person and I just don't wanted you to get blindsided.

32:42Who? Yeah, me, my husband. Yeah, you're married? Wow. Yeah. You know, I guess things went wrong with us when I was across the room and I just kept on going Thievid, Thievid, Thievid, Thievid. Daisy called me and said, could you stop yelling? I can hear you all the way in Battery Park. So, um, Haley is doing the cruelest thing of all time, which is that she now says that she just wants to be single because she went from John, John, oh God, John and Kate plus eight. And I went from John to Ruben and I've never been single. And so aside, like, can I be a wing woman? She's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Wing woman.

33:23They start doing this whole thing about like, who's going to be a wing woman, which unfortunately people who've never been single their entire life, they just never learned to be single. I'm sorry to say. And what happens is they always tell their friends, I'm going to be single and we're gonna go out we're gonna have a fun time and then within a week they're with someone else new again and all the dreams you have of finally enjoying your friend as a single person evaporate but she's also like dating currently on the show like she's been bringing people that she's dating on to the show so it's she's such a wackadoo like you're babe you're single already you're you're already dating she's like i don't have any idea how i would even date like what it's weird it's like she's separating it she's dating i guess when you're just sleeping with people that's one thing but then she's still bringing people as dates to filming parties so that seems like more than but it seems like she's separating it like well if i break up with reuben then i'm gonna have to start dating men again it's almost like she's thinking of the dating girls as a totally separate thing yeah i think that's what it is even though she's talked about so openly about only liking women sexually.

34:32So she's an odd bird, this one. Yeah, that's to say the least. And then she says, you know, I've never sucked dick, by the way. I said, what? You got to teach me. She's like, what? Well, who said you know I know what I'm doing? She's like, and then Haley just laughs at her. She's like, no, I'm a lady. Excuse me, I'm a lady. No, I'm not. I'm a slut. I'm a hoe. And then they laugh. So then we go to the Mermaid Inn. Guys, it's an Abe and Aaron scene. hold on to your seats this is a big one uh levi is calling oh my god why won't levi stop calling me it's like hang up on levi hang up on fucking levi i'm so sick of it why don't these parents realize they can hang up the phone on their children like yeah we growing up growing up we obviously didn't our parents were not available on cell phones so like when you call your parents they'll answer because they're they have a basic amount of access to you but now with the cell phones it seems like some of these kids on these shows are just constantly calling at a certain point i mean just send a voicemail yeah the voicemail does the transcription now so if it was an emergency you know you pressed a voicemail and then it's transcribing it like mom mom house is on fire or whatever then you could pick it up but yeah it's a lot but i like it so she's like aaron's basically in the emily simpson thing of like i feel bad when he calls all the time i feel bad and abe is like you gotta set a boundary he's like levi shut the fuck up he hangs up the phone he basically just is like go go to bed you know so then they start doing their whole shtick of you know that they're in trouble financially because this because of the scene basically they start doing their whole pr thing like wow it's like crazy because like running so many businesses is like terrible and all we really care about are the employees and making sure the employees are paid it was like yeah it's like a huge deal like all we care about is our employees so what do we do so yeah i'll tell you this we're paying for their we're paying for our employees oh god when is the news coming out that these two have been fucking over everybody in mezclin and homegirl or whatever businesses that they've got because these two are really over the top in this it's like it's like well you could sell your house and they're like well we want to pay our employees that way they have food on their tables but we also want our second home in the hamptons what do we do oh my god what would katrina do if you care about your employees if it's really a do or die situation then you sell the home and if you want your home which is totally viable it's not always reasonable to be like just set your home like if you want your home maybe you shut down your mezcal business like i don't know that mezcal is not doing any business and that's like i don't know what to tell you also just know that you're on real housewives and most of the businesses you're going to concoct on this show are stupid and they're going to fail and so just know when to cut the cord like mezcal may make it we all know it you know it so stop this and then we cut to a meeting where they're like hi we've called everybody here so that you know that we brought bezcal to america and we care about employees and their employees like yeah and i'll tell you where we need to cut the cord you you're the cord bye yeah that guy said something he was on one he was like i don't remember what he said but it was but he was i was like whoa settle down sir settle down but i mean look i i do think it really sucks what happened to their house like that genuinely sucks and it does like i can't like i would hate that and it does as i i get upset when there's like you know like like the water filter in my fridge isn't working properly and it's driving me nuts and i'm like what am i gonna do how am i gonna do it who am i gonna call i have to call another repairman they keep saying it that they don't know what it is and like how am i get the bottom of it and that's just a fucking water filter i can't imagine if my entire like floor like my entire house was flooded and took over with mold even if it was a second house you know so like i'm not i'm not lighthearted about that i'm not i know you're not saying that but i'm just saying like i understand that it really is a sucky situation but also like i don't know what's the deal with this mezcal anyway it's not that yeah it's not that it's not a serious situation it's just how she you know is how they react like oh my god this is like like literally worse than katrina it's like as It's like worse than Katrina.

38:59That's when Aaron is just completely out of touch. So it's fun to make fun of people going through pain when they're out of touch people. Yeah. It's more fun. It is way more fun. And also, this is just clearly something shady is going on. These two coming on and being like, whoa, all we care about is people. That's us. Something shady is going to happen. I can't wait to see what it is. Commercials. Here comes one right now. We watch a lot of people show up to parties they weren't invited to, to dinners they intend to ruin. Let's talk about people who show up for good and for real. At Planned Parenthood health centers, providers, staff, and volunteers still show up every day despite relentless attacks doing the very unglamorous work of getting people care.

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40:57So then we go to Povet and Jessel. Wow, this scene was something. I'm super surprised that the internet is so surprised by this scene. Everyone's like, oh my god, Jessel is just trying to open up emotionally, and Povet is just making jokes. Yeah, we've been watching this relationship for three years now. Do you think Povet suddenly has feelings? Povet is disconnected from feelings, you know? As someone who can be like that, you're not going to have a conversation with me where I'm not making fun of you. I don't blame you for not wanting to marry me. I really don't. I think he is definitely like, he's got some trauma in his life or something that is keeping him from being able to access these things that if he doesn't want to, or maybe he just doesn't have the tools.

41:42Like maybe he actually has some neurodivergence, you know, and like that might explain why maybe, I shouldn't even weigh in because I don't, I'm not, I'm not obviously a doctor who could like really, who is more aware of that. but like from everything that i've heard about that about you know things like asperger's or whatever like maybe that might be at play here i don't know but like for people to be surprised like this is pop it this is who pop it has been and it doesn't excuse it by the way i think he's a total dick in this scene and i've historically always enjoyed pop it but i think he he needs to like he thinks he's being hilarious i'm like you can be hilarious if you have a job but right now you don't have a job so cut it with the comedy okay the built the built exactly we've already seen a bunch of jobless people not being funny today all right how much of this do we have to take he's would it be better if you like there's no elite pizza there's no yeah there's no neon sign above your head that says built comedy all right sir i don't know where you think you are more like more like molded aaron's second home comedy not built so yes but this has been their vibe for the whole time it's like well you know pavit and i don't really even like each other what are we even doing together but then they seem like such good partners in other ways and then she's being completely insensitive usually and then he's being completely insensitive usually but now she's got this i think you're right ultimately it's like but now you're not working it was different when you were insensitive but you were still paying for at least half of this household you're bringing value yeah now you're sitting in your bed all day and then you're you know reviewing banh mis and tacos from taco trucks and staying in bed all day while i'm taking care of the kids and working that's not gonna work out no that's not going to um so talking they're just sort of talking about their day and everything just sort of like mindless patter and jess is like you know i would love it if you would just look took a little bit of interest in my life i mean but unfortunately you don't really ask many questions.

43:47And he's like, well, I hear all your conversations, so why do I need to ask questions? But overhearing something is not the same as asking me what the context was behind the conversation. I overhear all your conversations too. And I mean, admittedly, they're all just sort of like chomp, chomp, chomp. Ooh, good fried chicken. Chomp, chomp, chomp. I have no friends. Chomp, chomp, chomp. Where's a good banh mi? It's really not very interesting. It's just so much luckier you get to listen to my conversations. I still ask you questions about it. And he's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time for a palate cleanser.

44:18Time for a palate cleanser. Mmm, yum, mmm, wine. See? Needed. This is what we need. I feel like you don't acknowledge my pain. He's like, what? Acknowledge what? What are you talking about? Anything. You don't acknowledge anything. He's like, yeah, well, I'm, the thing is this. It's just one of those, like, where you're so busy all day long and you have the kids. But I have, you know, I have the kids, too. Because he's saying you, like, generally. Like, you know, I've got the kids all day. He's like, but I have the kids, too. You know, Devin. He's like, I know Devon. Well, she's a relationship counselor and she's brilliant.

44:47She was on the real world, Brooklyn. So she's pretty cool. She's a hipster counselor. And she told me this one thing that I think is like really effective. And it's basically I'm going to list out everything that upsets me or upset you about me and vice versa. Danger. Danger. Make a list of everything that annoys you about me. Oh, no, no, no. We're going to be here a very long time. I would hate that. I'm never going to ask someone to write down everything they don't like about me. Oh, my gosh. No. No. That sounds like my worst nightmare. I mean, I'll do it for somebody else, of course. But you do it to me.

45:23I will cry like a baby in two seconds. Me too. Me too. So then Povet is like, can I eat while I type? Because he's trying to also be funny. He's kind of like trying to lean in. Like, look at me. Isn't this funny? I'm going to eat while I type. And he's like eating like a lamb chop. Like he's actually doing an Emily Simpson right now, which I can't stand. which is like he's holding the lamb chop by like the bone and he's like eating it like a caveman like isn't this funny he's and but he's also like typing his things and jessel's like saying how she's really into communication and like it doesn't like it doesn't sometimes papa doesn't give it the same gravitas essentially um it's really tough on i was cracking up at this i'm sorry this scene was cracking me up she's like all right right everything that you don't like he's like all all right, well, I'll do it while I eat.

46:05It's like, okay, I'll stop. Communication. He's like, wow, like what? Yeah, you know, like emotional communication. He's like, okay, is it my turn? Yes. All right, finally, he's going to say something emotional communicative. He's like, the dishwasher. That's how you load it. Like, what are you even doing? Like, you load the dishwasher, then I have to go back to the dishwasher and I have to reload it because you don't load it right. And then, you know, it's like a place. You put the cups in one place and a different kind of cup in another place. And then the bowl's in it. But I do that. He's like, no, you don't.

46:36You do it wrong. And then I have to redo it. Can I say something? I thought this was a totally legitimate thing for him to say. I thought it was 100 % legitimate. It is. It's because, you know, he says it because you're wasting my time. And so she's like, this seems so small. I'm like, it's small to you, but to him it matters. Like to him it's like I've told you how I like it done and you ignore it over and over and over again. It wastes my time. it shows that what I say doesn't even matter. I actually think that she should not be poo-pooing it. I think her saying, I want communication, she wants, her version of communication is saying, I feel like we need to be closer.

47:18And his version of communication is like, you know that I hate how you load the dishwasher and you purposely do it fucked up every time and make me redo it. And that is you disrespecting me. and it's you just like that's bad communication you know what i mean that's like your own way that's like a passive aggressive way of you telling me fuck you but he's does not she is right that he does not know how to communicate he doesn't so he doesn't know how to say that but anybody who this has happened to gets it yeah well i think it's also just like they are they're not on the same wavelength about what this conversation is about because she's she wants to talk about like broad strokes and just sort of themes that are going awry in their relationship and he's like oh good this is a time to mention my grievances but i think actually both are legitimate but they're not connecting how both are actually related because they are related and that's why you need a therapist because the therapist would be able to draw those lines and say hey what pop when pop is talking about the dishwasher you're seeing it as like a petty annoyance but actually it's speaking to something larger and then when jessel is talking about how we're not talking about emotions and you're seeing that as like some woo woo thing it's actually very similar to what you're talking about with the dishwasher like they need someone to help them like connect the dots here please yeah because he's like well you know you got to put things in the dishwasher so that the water hits them at all angles and she's like um i think that it is but i think she's also like well this goes back to you having a little more time than i do but But that's also he's trying to follow a dream to make him happier.

48:57So I don't know. Like, I can get what she's saying. And I think he is being a sarcastic asshole. So I think she's right. But I think she's also clearly missing what he's saying kind of in this thing. And she's also like, I don't really like your dreams. Great. Your dreams were super fun. Now you need to make a living, which I think is actually valid. But she's kind of shitting on his whole personality. like here's where he loses it which is what you just mentioned you sort of you just hit on this which is that like he's being sarcastic and the problem is you can't tell if he's bringing this up to be funny for the cameras and to like maybe even like build his personality as a social media food person or is he bringing this up because it's like something that really annoys him and i actually think it's something that really annoys him but because you can't tell the difference and you can't be totally sure as we'll see in about a few minutes when the producers are talking to him And that's where it gets really, really shitty because it's like you're not being serious when you need to be serious.

49:54Okay? Like I'm having – like you can bring up the dishwasher thing and be serious with me about it. But because I can't tell if you're just doing a bit right now, I can't take this seriously. Yeah. I think that would be completely frustrating. But I also see like why am I going to talk about – we don't even communicate in our own home. and now I'm supposed to come onto TV and like what, break down to you and start crying about all of my emotions? Or when they get me in front of the confessional, like he's not a housewife, he doesn't do, like the husbands, the spouses, I guess I should say, but since we're watching housewives, it's usually husbands, like they're not going to sit there and talk emotionally, openly when they don't even do that at home, you know?

50:37But then you're right, this is when he completely loses the entire argument okay because then he's like why are you screaming she's like i'm not screaming he's like yes you are and you're always screaming and that's screaming right now what you're doing she's like it's literally not screaming it's like it is it's screaming you gotta stop screaming jessil has never screamed on this show i don't think she's ever screamed she's like been like a gas like i mean that's her love language is being a gas but she's not a screamer like that's crazy that he's saying that he well he's conflating obviously frustration or even like annoyance or someone who's just like not speaking in a happy way with screaming which is his own baggage that he has to unpack yeah i think he's trying to say like stop bitching at me or but see this is the other thing is he even kidding i can't even tell and i think that you're right This is ultimately the most frustrating part.

51:32It's like, ha ha, are you doing like a bit? Like, ha ha, wives just have one tone. Scream. Like, what is he even fucking doing? I don't know, but he's, this is bad. This is getting progressively worse throughout the scene. It's like, oh no. There is a world where it's like, okay, let's dive into this. You think this is screaming. Why do you think that this is screaming? What about this tone says screaming to you? Because I don't think it's screaming and we can figure that out. But we don't even know if he really thinks it's screaming or is he just trying to be funny? And that's why it's like she can't get anywhere because she can't tell if anything is real at this moment.

52:08Yeah. So then she is just completely annoyed and he is just eating like he doesn't care. I don't know if he's being hilarious. I don't know what his deal is. So she's like, OK, well, what else? And he's like, well, that's it. Like the dishwasher and screaming. She goes, okay, well, there's a very surface part of it, okay? And here's one from me. I don't think you're aggressive enough, and you don't look after your health. And he's like, uh, my health is fine. As he shoves a lamb chop into his mouth. And then she goes, and you don't ask me anything work-related, because my income is our income, and the success of my income is the success of our income.

52:44Like, you literally don't even ask me anything about it. It's a problem. He's like, I get what you're saying. My communication could use some work there, and I 100 % agree with you. She's like, you've got to ask questions. She goes, all right, communication. Papa, your communication is atrocious. Like, really, really bad. Like, I need constant communication. Like, you literally walk around the house. Like, you resent me. Like, it's like, oh, shit. This fucking bitch is here again. And he's just eating his lamb chop like, mm-hmm. He doesn't say, like, I don't think you're a bitch. I love you. Why would I ever think that about my wife?

53:15He just says, uh-huh. She's like, but you can't be me all day. He's like, and then he says, well, when you get angry, and i respond with no anger i know it pisses you off oh i know you fucking know that she's like oh he's like okay communication next okay next next on the list communication done and it's like that thing like i don't want to talk about this anymore so we're not going to talk about it which is ironic because it's about communication yeah um well they're shitty at communication well he is i mean she's saying pretty clearly uh and he's just not relating on that level and i i don't know i guess it really sucks because i like them as a couple on the show i've always really liked them and i hate this for them and i also hate this so the producer asks so how serious are you taking these concerns that she's expressing to you and he goes i take it very seriously and he the producer's like are you being sarcastic and then he starts to smile he goes i've never heard sarcastic they're like well what do you think this is really about what is it that jessel needs from you that she's not getting he goes my credit card i don't know listen don't waste our time because now that's what you're doing we're sitting here what you're wasting the producer's time you're wasting our time like no no no no you're in the confessional you have to be honest i mean listen you you had me almost on your side when we were talking about dishwashers but you really went off that cliff you really went off that cliff povett oh my god seriously so um jessel's like there's something that doesn't allow you to connect to your emotions.

54:47Ding, ding, ding. I think that's it. And you guys need to figure out what that is. Because at some point when you're like, are you, you can't just, I'm someone who's constantly making jokes and sarcastic, but you know, like I can turn that off if I need to. Like if somebody, and if somebody tells, I mean, you have to learn to do that. I can't believe you can be in a relationship with anybody. I mean, even have a friendship where you can't turn that off. that's nuts and she's and she says you're a wonderful father but when it comes to her like you just shut down and it's not because i'm screaming it's something else and i think you just don't know how to communicate and he goes well your communication is the exact same problem i'm like no because she's literally communicating with you right now and you're not giving it back so he's like well you know marriage has problems it has ups and downs and whether it's communication or whether it's this or that or someone telling you that you're gay you know you just got to balance these things in the marriage and i'm not too concerned and it's our marriage is on a solid foundation and i know everything's going to be just fine so i'm hoping that he's just like jessel i'm not going to have like some deep soul-searching cry cry conversation with you on camera sorry maybe i'm hoping that he's like that and that he's not literally like this all the time i know me too because jessel's basically like i don't know like what are we doing here like is this relationship serving me anymore so it kind of ends on this sort of melancholy cliffhanger of this relationship is in big trouble yeah yikes well geez well all right new york well you did that one you did that build comedy so that was uh real housewives of new york uh sorry for the technical disaster and also for not having this on video but we switched over to regular recording because it was a disaster.

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