#3609 Real Housewives of Potomac S11E05: Surprise Witness

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2:19Ronnie Karam: Hello, Ben.

2:21Ben Mandelker: Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

2:23Ronnie Karam: Good. How are you doing? Welcome to Monday. We just went to Philly, which is Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C., okay? That was super fun. We had great shows on tour, and we continue this week with Dallas and Austin, okay? We start Dallas this coming week, and we're going to be doing Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in Dallas and the final reunion episode of Real Housewives of Orange County in Austin, Texas. Okay? Get your tickets. And also, be sure you are getting your tickets from WatchWhatCrappens.com because there are crazy resellers and stuff reselling tickets for astronomical amounts. And we do not sell tickets for Watch What Crappens for astronomical amounts.

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3:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. Be careful. There's a lot of scammers out there that try to fake you out. Just go to watchcrappens.com. Also, I am really excited to, well, I'm very excited to have our final moment with our OC girls in Austin. Those are our favorite voices. Those are some, like, doing Shadimador, Heather, Tamara, even Aussie Gina. Gina does nothing on that show. But, like, it's so fun doing those voices. So come join us and send off the Orange County season in grand style with us there in Austin because it's going to be fabulous. It's going to be a fun week. I'm excited. I love our little Texas jaunts that we do.

4:07Ben Mandelker: The best part about the Texas jaunt, maybe less so for you, but more for me, is that we always do a road trip. So I'm really excited for our little road trip, which means we'll put on some mics. We'll do a bonus episode. It's always so fun. So everyone come out and join.

4:20Ronnie Karam: It's super fun for me. I love doing that. because we travel together a lot, but actually being in the car together is very different. And especially driving from town to town that we're doing because you never really get local flavor like you do from billboards. And we love a stripper. We love some stripper billboards followed by some Bible headboards. Headboards, you know what I mean? Bible headboards. I'm sure there are Bible headboards that are out there. That's for sure. Bible headboards. Listen, if you're in a whorehouse, the best kind of headboard to have is a Bible headboard. Okay, get it all in one place.

4:59Ronnie Karam: I am a little out of it. I think it's just all the traveling, but it's not a bad out of it. I think it's just the usual low brain cells out of it, but I guess people are used to that. But today is Real Housewives of Potomac, season 11, episode five, Shady Beaches. Shady Beaches.

5:16Ben Mandelker: Does it go to a beach? Whoa, it's a super shady beach. Wait, we also forgot to mention that we have crappy hour tonight, right? Isn't tonight crappy hour? Is that next week? It's next week. It's next week. Yeah. Oh, my God. I thought we had crappy hour tonight.

5:32Ronnie Karam: No, we did it last week on November 2nd. So now we'll do it next week. Two weeks later. Wow.

5:37Ben Mandelker: See, I'm all turned around. I don't know what's what.

5:40Ronnie Karam: You know, it's funny because I went in there today because I have that link, the crappy hour headlines link up with my show description link. and it's my turn to write show titles and stuff. So I was in there and I saw that there was one headline up there and I was like, wow, Vince, yeah, it's just us. So I was like, whoa, look at Ben. He's really ready for next week. I don't even remember the headline. I was like, I have a really bad habit. Something about Omarosa.

6:08Ben Mandelker: Oh, yeah. I have a bad habit of seeing these headlines on social media and be like, that's crazy. And then I forget to put it onto our crappy hour document. I was like, this is going on the document. But you all just have to wait till next week for us to discuss whatever that Omarosa news item is. Get excited.

6:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I can't wait because, you know, you don't see Omarosa every day. It's like, whoa, we're going to talk about Omarosa next week. I'm already excited. My favorite.

6:36Ben Mandelker: I love an Omarosa moment. Okay. So Potomac, though. We're in Potomac, and we are at Ashley's home. and Stacy shows up and she has a whole bunch of dog toys because Ashley has her new dog. That's the thing. There's like a bunch of puppies this season. So Ashley is saying, today is day one of my Bethany trip and I'm so excited and I had plans for the ladies and I had to take helicopters to Bethany like the rich bitches that we are but unfortunately the weather did thwart my plans. I was like, also you did not. Ashley Darby, you were not going to get helicopters. I'm sorry, you were not. Also your wallet threatened your plans.

7:12Ronnie Karam: I mean, she got a big settlement from Michael.

7:16Ben Mandelker: But yeah, she's not doing a helicopter.

7:18Ronnie Karam: There's no settlement big enough to say, I'm getting you all the helicopters to Bethany Beach.

7:24Ben Mandelker: No. Not for Michael. This is a sprinter van show anyway. This is not a helicopter show. It's a sprinter van show. This is a show.

7:33Ronnie Karam: We don't watch this show to watch people take helicopters places. We watch it for Karen falling asleep in sprinter vans.

7:40Ben Mandelker: salt lake city gets a lot of credit um for being like the doing so much great work in a sprinter van and they do but i kind of also want to point out that potomac was doing great sprinter van work before salt lake city and and continues to do so so this is a show that is going to do it like that also i think that like the only time we've that i can remember uh cast meant cast mates taking a helicopter to a destination was roni the second season of the reboot when they were on a helicopter with rebecca minkoff and asking her questions about scientology and may i think bravo probably was like we're not going to do this again because here we had actually a a conversation that we're really excited to have on camera and the entire conversation had like helicopter propellers in the background so just for the audio alone i think bravo is going to keep things in sprinter vans

8:36Ronnie Karam: helicopters are too dangerous i mean i know all forms of transportation are ultimately dangerous but i think that helicopters are the flimsiest like what what are you doing up there that thing doesn't even make sense it's just doesn't the shape of it doesn't make sense and the floppy wings just there's a little propeller going it just doesn't make any sense i don't approve of helicopters I never had. I just saw a helicopter wreck a couple of weeks ago that was going around like a news helicopter wreck. And it was the slowest moving disaster. And then I was, it was so sad, you know, the people like getting to these people.

9:15Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It's like, don't do it. And then don't you have parachutes? And I had all these questions like, if you're a helicopter, don't you have a parachute? But then you can't because the propellers will cut the parachute. And it's just like bad idea. The whole thing.

9:28Ben Mandelker: I think you're so low. You're so low to the ground there's just not enough time to parachute i mean i mean kobe bryant right it just helicopters when they they can be rough they can be rough the point is a sprinter van let's keep our women safe

9:42Ronnie Karam: let's have a listen the point is it's an ashley darby vacation and so we're already talking about

9:49Ben Mandelker: depressing disasters yeah yeah exactly i know this is just there's just nothing about this vacation that said we're gonna like take a helicopter to bethany beach that that really made sense to me. I was like, this is a sprinter. This is made for sprinter vanning. This is made for them all fighting in a sprinter van. Let's not act like you're going to do something more glamorous than that. But it's also raining. It's going to rain every day in Bethany Beach, which makes sense. It's called Bethany Beach for a reason. Okay, you know what? It's going to rain. I don't want the sun. Who wants the sun?

10:17Ben Mandelker: You know what? I'm over the sun. What's that branding? Why do you even have that branding? It's like, you're supposed to be beautiful, but you give us cancer. That's not cool. That's like bad branding. You know what? You're a cheetah brand. You're a cheetah brand, you son. Okay, rain. that's a good brand skinny rain all right you want to come to the bethany weather here's what

10:32Ronnie Karam: you're getting seven days of chicken salad okay every day i'm going to try different stores chicken salad okay your forecast is chicken salad good chicken salad bad chicken salad i don't know

10:41Ben Mandelker: check your weather app what do you want from me okay so uh uh stacy is uh she hugs her uh ashley's Okay, Corey, and then Stacey's asking about, where's the dog? Where's the dog? And also, Stacey has brought over some dental hygiene elements. I'm assuming some toothpaste and breath mints or whatever, because she has been dinged for her halitosis in the past. So she's trying to improve.

11:17Ronnie Karam: and she's being really nice to ashley and ashley's like well you know she has a she has a problem with the truth or a funny relationship with the truth but she's still nice and she brings me presents um so giselle comes in and giselle has a very bend reaction when the dog comes up just sounds like oh no the dog no no no not the dog and then um we also see yeah stacy stacy and

11:48Ben Mandelker: ashley are trying hard to be friends i think ashley sees that stacy is a fan favorite and that the more that ashley um goes up against the fan favorite the more the fans dislike ashley so she's like oh okay i shouldn't be mean to stacy got it i'll be friends with her this season

12:06Ronnie Karam: yeah except while she's working to get everybody to not like her as well because it's real house wives yeah there's that too that's how they roll um so robin comes in and she's like whoa we're at ashley's hi hostess this is exciting we just hear the sound effect of crickets chirping so the ladies come and uh giselle um just i was like wow wow we've already done we've done bethany beach we've done it did it done it don't need to do it again

12:38Ben Mandelker: and wendy says well i don't know much about bethany beach i know it's a place that a lot of high school is frequent for senior week so and robin is like yo last time i went i was in a twin bed just hoping the accommodations would be a lot better this time oh you know it's really hard to

12:59Ronnie Karam: stay in a place after you're so comfortable at home you know it could be the nicest hotel ever but i don't know there's just nothing i mean if it's a twin bed hopefully somebody will at least come in and say robin get out of bed it's noon oh just like home well i remember bethany beach

13:17Ben Mandelker: and we had a fabulous queen bar to go to. Remember the queen bar that we went to? And Giselle's like, yes, I remember your dance. That's about it. And we see a flashback of Karen dancing at the club. And then Monique shows up and says hi to everyone. And we find out the drive's going to be three and a half hours. And the producer's asking Karen, you know, how she's going to deal with being in this van for three and a half hours. And she goes, I'm all right. I didn't have anyone to talk to for six months. That didn't bother me at all, so go ahead. I've been in sanitary. Sprint of ads, nothing.

13:54Ronnie Karam: I like that Karen keeps doing this thing in her confessionals where she tells a joke and then she goes, Ha!

14:05Ronnie Karam: She throws her head back. I learned that in prison. Gives herself a solid ha and a little toothy.

14:12Ben Mandelker: When you're in sanitary, you have to be your own audience. Ha! Ha! Lessons from the clink Ha ha ha ha

14:22Ronnie Karam: Okay, so Now they're making small talk Because Monique comes in And she's looking great She's glowing And so they're talking about how good she looks And we find out That it's because she's got a new boo And Giselle tries to get her She's like, oh wow Congratulations, I hear that your boo is leaving his wife.

14:47Ben Mandelker: Monique's like, hold on. She's like, why the fuck do you always have to know everything? She's like, well, that's what I heard. So if it's that boo, because that seemed like there was some chemistry, that sort of adultery chemistry, the kind of chemistry you get when you're dating someone who's married to someone else. You know what I'm saying. Monique is like, okay, well, okay, she's already starting. We haven't even gotten onto the Sprinter van, and you're already coming for me.

15:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Word on the street is I'm the word on the street. And Monique has been dating this guy for a while. And I'm not sure of the status. Is he married? Is he available? I just threw it out there. But I was right. She's with the married man. And she doesn't care. And we see Reality Blurb is announcing it. And they say Monique Samuel seemingly debuts new boyfriend. Shares a moment she knew she had to file for divorce from ex-Chris. And the way that that is phrased, I thought she was leaving Chris for this other married guy. And I was like, oh, this is crazy. But I think it was just how that was phrased.

15:56Ronnie Karam: So now they get on to the literature band. Divorce takes too long. How are you supposed to not date a married person when divorce takes so many years? Make it quicker if you don't want me to date people while I'm getting divorced.

16:09Ben Mandelker: That's what I say. Exactly. Exactly. So Ashley, they get onto the Sprinter van and Ashley gives us a little geographical tour of the Delaware shore and the north end are the Bidens. And on the south end is like Bethany Beach. And then she wants to be sort of in the middle, but closer to Bethany. That's what she wants for her beach home. So for those who are really interested in tracking Ashley's real estate journey, now you should feel very fulfilled.

16:41Ronnie Karam: Well, it's very Ashley. Ashley started with, well, we would have taken helicopters were it not for the weather. She's like, look on this map. This is where the Bidens live. And then here's where I'm going to be, this general area here. Circling a very large part of the map.

17:01Ben Mandelker: I know. why hasn't bravo by the way stolen uh the house hunters format and done it for their stars i would totally watch that house number one house number two house number three i would love that because bravo did try to steal a bunch of hgtv formats um and then sort of half-assed them like when they had reza and that other person doing interior design what was it called i don't even remember what it was called but they they were doing uh like it was like hers his or theirs by reza he

17:31Ronnie Karam: would just walk into every house and be like shiplap that is like so white people prison people don't even do shiplap like what and the first episode because we recapped it somewhere on our

17:44Ben Mandelker: feed somewhere or maybe it's our bonus episode was i think the concept was that there was a place that that he liked a place that she liked and a place that had something for both of them and which is going to be the one that wins was that was that it or something like that or it was some renovation thing and they showed these they showed the renovations to them and they're like here's the renovations i could be getting it all wrong all i remember is that when the episode ended nothing had changed the people were like we've decided we actually don't want any of these options and we're choosing our own house i just remember i was like we this is the this is the episode you chose to launch the show with is that the people don't choose any of reza's designs and choices and interior updates.

18:25Ben Mandelker: It was crazy.

18:28Ronnie Karam: That was a good little stint on Bravo. It was good. I liked that. Where they had all the design shows. I really liked all the design shows on there. I loved that mandate for Bravo. That one wasn't great. But I really loved that moment for Bravo. I mean, they have so many little moments. Remember when they were doing Scripted by Bravo? They're like, Bravo's like a, it's like CBS. They're back.

18:49Ben Mandelker: They're back. They are. They're back and scripted. today was the premiere of the southern monster show with craig the verticals

18:56Ronnie Karam: so they've been it's on the social media that's not a bravo show that's like a peak only online show right it's a death of humanity show i get it um

19:11Ronnie Karam: it's a sign of the end of times great holding an axe why craig without a shirt

19:20Ben Mandelker: it was uh yeah i know i loved one bra i do think it's fun when bravo experiments and i loved when they did home by bravo they had like four or five different design shows that they were trying to make a block out of like friday nights or those at the home shows and i loved it and it just it just didn't go anywhere and they had that great show with carson kressley and tom uh what's his face and they went in and they like they did like the queer eye thing to people's homes and they did a great job and they were so funny it was like an excellent excellent show and then gone gone gone but by all means can't wait for texas bernie swinging wives whatever that show's called

20:00Ronnie Karam: no i'm already saying no to that show no yeah we're not we're giving that show a flat no yeah i don't think we're even gonna watch that one did you even watch it have you watched it

20:10Ben Mandelker: yet when does that come on i can't i'm i well i uh i watched the first 10 minutes of the screener but I can't comment. I'm under embargo.

20:20Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay. Yeah, I've watched it yet. But I'm saying no just to that Erin Grease from Big Brother. No, I watched that. Absolutely not. She was so horrific on that show. They literally changed some of the rules of Big Brother because she was so bad. And now you're going to give her a show on my beloved Bravo? She's the center. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. There's some things that even I say, no, that's too much. And I

20:46Ben Mandelker: watch the mcb's yeah i don't i just don't understand the logic of why they chose her to be the anchoring point of a whole new show on bravo doesn't make any sense to me uh i know that people can grow and change and that when they're younger they're really dumb and then they realize like oh you can't say this shit like whatever like i understand i do believe that people can grow but i don't know if she is the one that i'm trusting to have grown because i've also seen her social media since then and i just don't think i think this was a huge really upsetting failure on bravo's part so yeah no we're not covering that show grow somewhere else don't

21:29Ronnie Karam: grow on bravo that's crazy like you didn't fuck up on bravo why do you get a second chance on bravo It's one thing when it's somebody, you know, like Phaedra, you know, Phaedra had her stuff on Atlanta and then she comes back and some people were against it. But it's been like years and Phaedra went through, you know, she's proving herself or coming back or coming back from it or whatever. And that's like the Bravo audience gets to say when we do or don't forgive somebody. But don't leave it up to us to have to forgive somebody from fucking Big Brother. Are you crazy? That's the thing.

22:04Ben Mandelker: That's the thing. There are a lot of times our Bravo stars frequently do something very problematic. And it's an issue. We talk about it. We hash it out. Sometimes we'll get fired. Sometimes they come back. But because we know them from Bravo, I say we as audience members, we see them as multi-dimensional people. So when they do something really wrong, a lot of times the thing that they do that's wrong outweighs everything else. And we're like, yeah, we're done with them. but since we know them as like a complete or more of something like there will come moments where you say okay they've been in the penalty box long enough i think i'm ready for them to come back we saw that with like kristen doty for example you know because we see we see the upside of these people too as just people on our televisions but if they don't have that track record on bravo like you're saying it's like you know what let's just like cut it off before we even enter it into into here like like i think you said it just right if they if they mess up on bravo then we as the bravo people can decide when they're allowed to come back on but if they've already messed up they don't even get to come into the building they don't they're not a brand brother journey this

23:11Ronnie Karam: isn't yeah cbs big brother journey that's a whole different can of worms you have to you have to

23:19Ben Mandelker: repair your on big brother i'm sorry yeah go back to big brother if big brother don't even give her

23:25Ronnie Karam: another chance and that's i mean big brother really isn't that picky let's be honest um if they won't even give her another chance why the fuck should bravo i just i'm not into it and i'm actually i love the idea of them doing a show in bernie it's right outside san antonio i just drove by it the other day i was just out there and it's a fancy place i mean i like the idea of it but no that's an auto no for me and the whole like we're trying to get you know now it's a more conservative times so we're gonna go for a conservative audience okay whoops why are you

23:58Ben Mandelker: doing aaron no so we're gonna air it right after the election where there was a massive rebuke of all of this um yeah i think it's a i think bravo miss took a misstep on this one and um yeah but

24:14Ronnie Karam: you know all right well thanks for being here for real housewives of potomac our stand against this new show, whatever. But yeah, I'm with you. That's a new. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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25:46Ronnie Karam: I'm sick of things stressing me out. The other day I was running late and nearly ran over an armadillo. I felt so bad.

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26:01Ronnie Karam: Bon Gisissimo.

26:03Ben Mandelker: This is why I watch so much TV. And Amazon Prime definitely comes in handy. It's a great way to shift your mood. Yeah, but everyone's always like recommending a million shows. is like, you gotta watch this, you gotta watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say, what do I have to watch? Now I'm all about, how do I want to feel?

26:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

26:24Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm a comedy girly. I will rewatch the same comedy over and over again because it's so comforting to me. Or actually, sometimes it's actually sports. There are times where I don't even care about the teams. I just like being part of a live event, especially with some snacks.

26:36Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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27:01Ben Mandelker: I'm having 30 to 40 positive feelings. Wow!

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28:00Ronnie Karam: They are furious.

28:02Ben Mandelker: Boiling on the inside. She is not loving this. And not only that, Stacey tells us, I have been named one of reality TV's masterminds by Vulture, and now they're having a ceremony. And Giselle's like, mastermind of what? Of lies? Who are the other people that she was up against? Are they also liars? And Ash is like, mastermind? That's Vulture's nice way of saying Stacey's a conwoman, and that's beautiful. So now whatever Ashley— Good for her.

28:32Ronnie Karam: She's a conwoman.

28:34Ben Mandelker: I love that they're saying that. So now Ashley, who's trying to make nice to Stacey, I think it now all goes to shit because the jealousy. And I can sort of get it. Like you've toiled away at this show for 11 seasons. You've done the messiest things. You've endured the audience getting so mad at you. for both Giselle and Ashley, so many people in the audience can't stand them because of how messy they are. But they have arguably been the engine that has moved this show forward and that it's latecomer Stacey who gets to just come right in and then get put onto Vulture's cover, a New York Magazine cover, and go to an event.

29:14Ben Mandelker: I can understand their frustration. But also, Stacey's an icon, so... Icon! Yes! Mother!

29:23Ronnie Karam: I looked this up to see who these are. There's 30 of them. I mean, there's 30 people.

29:29Ben Mandelker: When it came out, we all said Giselle and... Well, when it came out, we were all like, oh, Giselle and Asher are going to be so mad. There were some others that were like, oh, they're going to be so mad.

29:39Ronnie Karam: They're not going to like that. Who else was on it? And they don't. And it really sucks when you're like, wow, I have to go do a vulture thing. And then your competing thing is, Well, everybody knows that I'm a big Cinco de Mayo person. So I'm planning my Cinco de Mayo party in Bethany Beach.

29:59Ben Mandelker: And tomorrow I've got my photo shoot for the penny saver for Bethany Beach. So come join.

30:09Ronnie Karam: Or as we call it on Cinco de Mayo, the Mayo saver.

30:16Ben Mandelker: That's Mayo saver. you're just reading about coupons for Hellmanza.

30:22Ronnie Karam: Does this stuff ever go bad?

30:27Ben Mandelker: Questions that people ask. So they're not happy. They're not happy that she's getting this. And then Karen, they all take shots and Karen tells us, you know what's wonderful about being sober on vacation with the women that aren't? I get to watch them drunk. Ha! Ha!

30:51Ronnie Karam: It cracks me up. It's like an old, like, Catskill star. Like, oh, yeah, a man and a priest walked into a bar. Ha! Kick up your leg. 50 years old. 50. I'm 50.

31:09Ben Mandelker: 50 plus 12. I'm 50 plus 12 years old. By the way, Karen mentioned that Ray is 17 years older than her, So Ray is up there, right? I mean, we always knew he was up there, but he must be late 70s, early 80s, right?

31:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why there's a little more forgiveness of some of the stuff that Ray has been saying, just because we all know it. I mean, our filters all start loosening as we get older, and we all know what it's like having people who are a couple decades older than even us in our lives and the things that come out of their mouth. Like, what? You lose weight. You look fatter. You look older. You should have kept some weight on. Now you just look old. Well, thanks. Well, good to see you.

31:56Ben Mandelker: Thanks so much.

31:57Ronnie Karam: Great time.

31:57Ben Mandelker: Can I tell you what commercial always hits for me every single year? Are those progressive commercials that they're like, we're going to help you from becoming your parents. Like, they just had a new one that I saw. And I just, I'm telling you, that is, I just crack up every single time. God, there's something about people who are older than you, the way they talk. It's always funny. It's always funny.

32:20Ronnie Karam: Well, it's too late in my case. We're going to stop you from becoming your parents. Too late. It's like getting insurance after you've already been in the wreck. You know, they won't even sell it. So they're – Karen is not drinking. And also, guess who else isn't drinking? Courtney. She's a preacher now, guys. And she tells us flat out, like, I'm not drinking because I care about my reputation on TV. I'm trying to sell Jesus. I will not be getting drunk on TV, except when I do and just don't realize that you guys are completely filming me. But that's okay. I'll just fake it for TV because I'm a real preacher.

33:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's so funny because while this was – when she started to talk, I was like, all right, Courtney's there. And I thought, gosh, she's really kind of, she's really getting, she's not really pushing through so far this season. We're like six episodes in. I keep forgetting that Courtney is there. And then of course, this is the episode where at the end of it, we're like, okay, Courtney's time to shine. Courtney is going to get, become the hypocritical. She's going to be, she's going to start getting messy. She's going to get drunk. Like next week, Courtney is going to be entering the fray, essentially.

33:34Ben Mandelker: She's going to start getting truly grilled. So, you know, her time. She's been roasting in the oven, and now she's about to be put out on the table.

33:41Ronnie Karam: Roasting in the oven. So far, it's not looking great. I have to say. She's looking one and done-ish to me.

33:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So far. But, you know, I remember Kelly Benson on in her first season, like for the first six episodes. It was like, why did they cast this woman? and then came the Bethany thing. And then it became all about Kelly Ben Simone. So you never know. Sometimes these people can be...

34:04Ronnie Karam: But didn't she get fired right after that?

34:07Ben Mandelker: No, she lasted three seasons, I think. Two or three. Oh.

34:12Ronnie Karam: Okay, so we go to... Well, Scary Island wasn't the first season, was it?

34:19Ben Mandelker: No, that was her second season. Oh, so she had another season after that? I think, actually, she may have had three seasons. So she came in. No, she had three seasons. She came in season two, and that was the I'm up here, you're down here season with Bethany. Season three was Scary Island. Season four was Morocco. And then after season four, Bravo did their first reboot. Not reboot, but they revamped. They fired a bunch of people. They brought in the new girls.

34:49Ronnie Karam: Okay. Her last season was season four. Okay. So Karen is not drinking, and neither is Courtney. Courtney and now we're still in the Sprinter van. And Karen -

35:03Ben Mandelker: Wait, I just want to say, I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want to say, Courtney saying that she is protective of her image, which is why she's not drinking, an even better way to do that is to not go on reality TV. Just want to put that out there for anyone who's thinking about that. Particularly Real Housewives. Real Housewives. just want to say like just a general life motto if you're protective of your image don't go on

35:28Ronnie Karam: to a real housewives show as a real housewife yes so um now karen is talking to monique a little bit about cookie cookie comes up basically and monique is like well cookie was spreading rumors while she was friends with my ex and i saying how much or saying how she was having an affair with him and that wasn't great karen and you're still friends with her and karen's just like well well i don't know i'm i'm friends with a cook is a good friend and monique's like cookies an opportunist she's no one's friend it's like well cookies certainly is my friend who isn't friends with someone named cookie no one no one dislikes cookies it's a delicious

36:11Ben Mandelker: friend name why wouldn't you and monique is like karen she's been talking shit about you too okay and I told you that. Well, I haven't seen that they've proven to me, so I don't know that that's true, but I hear you and I will ask her. I will ask Cookie. I will ask Cookie.

36:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I hope we get some more Cookie. I hope this is all a prelude to a Cookie.

36:34Ben Mandelker: Prelude to a Cookie.

36:35Ronnie Karam: Because that was funny. Yes. Okay, so now they're just making small talk and the time is going and Monique is boring the hell out of everybody because Monique really, I mean, if anybody has spent any time on Monique's Instagram, Monique turns into her Instagram here. She's very much like, wow, you know, I'm really into meditating and journaling. And you know what? Your external is a mirror of your internal. Okay, guys, you really need to get your external proper and your internal proper so it can mirror the essential oils is basically what I'm saying.

37:12Ben Mandelker: Essential oils. You know, sometimes Monique Hughes a bit too close to the world of Maha, and I don't love that for her. I don't love it. But she's going all in there. What's Maha? Make America healthy again. It's Kennedy, RFK. Oh, oh, oh. It's all of his bullshit that he spews. So I'm not saying that she is, but sometimes I'm raising my eyebrow a little bit like, what's going on over there, Monique? but she's going on and on anti um medicine stuff eh and she's very like there's no regulation in the wine industry she's like they put arsenic in your wine and there's a video where she's there's a video where i'm speaking this language and i don't even know what it is and they're like okay she goes i actually saw myself being birthed like okay so then did you

38:03Ronnie Karam: drink some of the arsenic wine what's what's the point i know what happened yeah so

38:11Ben Mandelker: So Ashley is saying, well, by the way, we all have big birthdays. I mean, yours was 63. You know, you turned 60. How old are you, Karen? You're 63. I'm triple 20, triple one. That's what I am. Triple 20, triple one. Yes, yes. Triple 20, triple one. And for some reason, they're talking about ages. And then Ashley eventually asks.

38:32Ronnie Karam: They're all the way to talking about ages. That's how bored they are. It worries me a little bit for this season, to be honest. So then they get to Rehoboth Beach, and of course Karen is sleeping. And Ashley's like, well, I chose this beautiful home. It's mere steps away from the beach. It's 11 bedrooms. This is crazy. This is a huge improvement over that original two-bedroom house that they all had to share.

39:01Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that was – I mean, anything really is an improvement unless you go to Gina's Casita. and Ashley, this is shocking. There's 11 bedrooms. That's like more than enough rooms for the entire cast. That never happens. They always do one fewer. There's always someone who has to share and get stuck in like the crappy room, but they have all the bedrooms. They've got nine bathrooms. They've got Jeeps to take them wherever they want to go in all of Bethany Beach. And there's the chef who's there who's preparing a charcuterie platter. I mean, it's really just, it's luxury.

39:37Ronnie Karam: So we see the rooms that they're all going to stay in. Tia gets one of the best rooms and Robin gets her own bathroom, which is very exciting. And Giselle has to stay in a room that's close to Stacy and it overlooks the driveway in the Jeep. So Giselle is not happy. I know.

39:54Ben Mandelker: Does not like the Jeep view. Giselle feels like I gave Ashley a great room when I was the hostess. Now look at what I'm doing. I love that everyone always gets out all their revenge on Giselle through these vacation arrangements. Like, every single season, when Candace put Giselle and Robin in that, like, attic once and they had to go out, they chose to go to a hotel instead. Ashley clearly is upset with Giselle for, like, bringing Robin back on the show. And now Ashley's place as number two is threatened, so, like, Giselle gets the shitty room. Yeah.

40:30Ronnie Karam: So this is Wendy's first time away from the house after everything has happened. And Giselle's like, how does Eddie feel about you leaving? And she's like, well, he's checking in periodically, you know. And Monique's like, well, did this bring you closer together? I mean, that's what legal trouble can do. You know, it's really bonding. Legal trouble can be very, very bonding. I suggest it, you know, unlike vaccines.

41:02Ben Mandelker: well what's interesting is like i've been telling tia with her situation sometimes you just get broken down to be to be built back stronger robin's like yeah uh by the way is there an option to not have a trial to settle out of court you know what i mean because maybe you should do that you know or flee the country and she's like um we haven't gotten to that point yet so nothing has been offered to me i'm obviously not going to say if i'm taking a plea deal on camera but i do feel like this is going to end in my favor and we're going to see it through like so are you saying you want to experience jail is that why it's going to end in your favor like this does

41:38Ronnie Karam: not look good for you wendy what are you talking about she's like who needs a plea you know what i need uh uh softly we put you through this wendy okay softly they're getting nothing from me Nothing. And all of the ladies are like, ooh, stupid mistake. Do you remember the Karen story? You know, Karen refusing to take a plea deal? And Karen's just nodding her head, closing her eyes like, I don't even know what to say about this. Take the plea, Wendy. Take the plea. Ha.

42:09Ben Mandelker: Guys, Courtney has something very important to address with the group. She says, well, speaking about husbands, I know some of you guys, your husbands couldn't come to the party. Maybe they were afraid of that blackout that I predicted that was going to happen. And it still will. Still will. But I remember, you know, I just want to say that, you know, Alexi, he really wants to meet the guys. And I just feel like if I were there, I'd be like, so? Like, the guys are not obligated to go out of their way to come to this stupid party just because Alexi wants to meet them.

42:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah, then have Alexi call everybody. And also, it's borderline offensive that Alexi's like, oh, what? I have to hang out with a bunch of women? We're all men. Stopping so male-centered. I know this is a real housewife show, but seriously, I don't care about your stupid husband. Okay. I want to see you be more entertaining with the women. How about that? And stop guilting everybody on whose husband is around and whose husband is not around. As somebody who has been free, I'm sick of it.

43:09Ben Mandelker: I mean, I can sort of understand the frustration of like, hey, it's going to be a couple's thing. And like, oh, I'm the only one who showed up as part of the couple. Like, I probably didn't have to actually come to this. you guys should have told me that you guys weren't going to come and i could have stayed there like like now i'm just this guy that's sitting here in the middle of this in the middle of this scene while they all fight like i can understand you know like especially if she's like you have to come because all the guys are going to be there he's like i don't want to come tonight it's like you have to come it's like okay i'm done it was his birthday that was remember

43:41Ronnie Karam: so i can get that i got that great alexi he's like oh here's the invitation come celebrate and Alexi and then there were no guys there. But you know what? You should be able to have fun around the guys or the ladies.

43:53Ben Mandelker: The guys on this show are very determined not to lean into the New Jersey and Salt Lake City thing and even the Rhode Island thing. They're like, no, we're not going to do the pack of husbands who go off and golf together. We're not doing that. Because that's the other thing. By the way, I think earlier this week I talked about the differences between the suburban shows and the city shows on The Real Housewives. There's certain casts that are all based in cities and some that are in the suburbs. And it seems like across the board, it's the suburban shows where they really try to position these husbands as this side set piece.

44:30Ben Mandelker: And so you see that on Salt Lake City. You see that in New Jersey. It's growing in Rhode Island. But Potomac, the husbands are like, yeah, we're good. We're going to try to film as little as possible because the more we put our faces out there, the more that Ashley and Giselle are going to come and destroy our lives and our careers.

44:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, no kidding. The more mess. I mean, the closest husbands on this show were Juan and Michael Darby. Those two love each other. Yeah. But, you know, they can't all be that at the end of the day. So, you know, this court is going to have to be a handful. Yeah, this show isn't about the husbands. Your husband is already famous. He can go do that somewhere else. He gets to hang around men all the time he's a freaking basketball coach and basketball player i don't hear it so they're just trying to by the way it's basically well i think also it's clear it was courtney i

45:21Ben Mandelker: don't think alexia really cared i think i think it's more like courtney wanted to sort of make it a thing and so uh either way she's trying to make them feel bad that none of them brought their men and no one cared.

45:35Ronnie Karam: Well, it bothers me because she's currently in a happy relationship and not everybody is. So it kind of comes off to me as like, well, where's everybody's husbands? You know, they use that as a diss a lot on these shows, I think, in general, where they're like, oh, really? Well, at least I have a husband. Who cares? It's kind of giving me that. So Tia is like, well, you know where my husband was. Wednesday's a bad day for us. I wouldn't have wanted him there anyway. But, you know, he had made some arrangements online, and that's probably where he was.

46:14Ben Mandelker: Well, Wednesday is the night that he cheats, so he couldn't be there. You expect my husband to show up on a hump day.

46:27Ben Mandelker: Monique's like, oh, yeah, what's going on with that? Here's the thing, the first couple of weeks we weren't okay, but the weeks after that we also weren't okay, but now my mother's here, so that's where we're at.

46:40Ronnie Karam: You know what I don't like? When you're driving and giant draperies of cotton swoop down on your windshield and stop back and forth, but then you think to yourself, at least I'm not having to wash my own car. Do you know what I'm saying, ladies?

47:01Ben Mandelker: No, not really, actually.

47:04Ronnie Karam: So then. I'm not fucking him. There, I said it.

47:09Ben Mandelker: Oh. By the way, I've been dying to ask you, did you look at the profile I sent you, Tia? And Ashi is like, wait, how did this conversation come about? Because, like, when you guys sat down together and you had that profile, was it like, oh, hey, Tia, look, this is like a, like. Like, this is a concentration that's, I mean, or a, what's it called? A profile that someone sent me? Like, what's going on? And Stacey's like, no, I didn't say it like that. And Wendy goes, if I remember, the exact words were, which, by the way, are not going to be the exact words. You said what you said about my husband, and I'm going to say something about your husband.

47:50Ben Mandelker: So sorry.

47:52Ronnie Karam: i mean it was pretty close because she did say you know thank you for your apology about what you said about my husband and i apologize for what i'm about to say about it i mean it was close but it wasn't in the context yes but giselle and with wendy's help are going to try and spin this around to be against stacy they just could not handle stacy getting ahead with anybody especially Giselle. So Giselle's like, wait a minute, that is different from what you said. You said Stacey came to you as a friend. No, she came to her as like, listen, as someone who doesn't like you, but has been made up with you and newly friends for less than two minutes, let me just tell you that there's mess that's going to come out about you on this show.

48:39Ronnie Karam: And here it is. And I've got it all lined up in my phone and ready. So I'm glad we made up today because this is going to be used against you within the next few weeks.

48:48Ben Mandelker: Well, also, I think the broader context was that Wendy was bringing them together and was like, I like both of you guys. I need you guys both. I'm going through some shit. I need you guys to sort of settle your shit so that way you can be there for me more effectively. and so tia apologized to um stacy for making such a big deal about the dinner party thing and so stacy i think in my mind the context was look i'm i would love to start fresh with you but i have to let you know this because like if we start fresh and i haven't told you this it's gonna look shitty and i want to start like i i felt like in between the lines it was i have tell you this so when we start fresh you know that if this comes out it was not me being insincere in this moment about starting fresh right like i'm telling you this i'm i'm apologizing for having to tell you this but i'm not telling it to hurt you i'm telling because it's going to come out and i don't want this to impact our now fresh start and so i don't think wendy gave that context wendy just said oh what she said was well you know you apologize for what you said about my husband and now I'm going to say something about your husband that I'm going to apologize for.

50:01Ben Mandelker: And it sort of sounded almost a little sassy. And it wasn't a sassy moment. No.

50:07Ronnie Karam: No, it was an offering of friendship. Like, okay, you want to be friends? Okay, here's what's coming out about you. And Wendy knew that. And everybody knows that. And Giselle just got caught because Giselle was the one who knew and didn't tell Tia. And Giselle is supposed to be Tia's friend. So Giselle, no matter what, Giselle knows that she has done wrong and she should have gone to Tia. And Tia's trying to stick up for Stacey here. And Tia's like, no, no, she wasn't being messy. I mean, she looked really uncomfortable about even having to tell me. And then she said she didn't want to tell me.

50:40Ronnie Karam: But I said, she tell me. So, you know, I think what she was doing was she was saving my children from having to see my reaction right there. She let me have my reaction in the car.

50:52Ben Mandelker: which is also tia working hard to have a workaround to still be cool with stacy so they're really well ultimately everybody knew this ashley went on stage and kind of outed this

51:06Ronnie Karam: in a way in her thing and it went viral well viral for bravo people so everyone kind of knew this was coming up so it's like who's going to bring it up on camera you know and it was someone who was trying to warn in a nice way because Ashley was going to save that up. You know she was. Ashley or Giselle or both.

51:27Ben Mandelker: Mm-hmm. Yep. Exactly. So then Tia does this whole thing about like, well, she could have humiliated me more, but she chose not. Like she had the chance to humiliate me, but she actually broke the news to me with care is essentially what she's saying. And Giselle's like, listen, And Stacey and Giselle were DMed about this man being on dating sites at the same time. And that's right. I am talking about myself in the third person again. But I decided I was going to say nothing on this platform because I don't I didn't know what that would do to Tia. But you told Ashley, you can't act. You can't be stupid and smart.

52:06Ben Mandelker: You told Ashley, you know, Ashley has a big mouth. And then Ashley went up on stage. And so Ashley goes and says it on there. And like, I understand, Giselle, you weren't going to say on the platform to protect Tia. Even if I accept that, that you say that, once Ashley says that on stage, maybe your first instinct is to now go to Tia and say, look, I wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going to just let it die. I told Ashley because I was trying to figure out what the next step should do in letting it die. Now she let it out, so I want to let you know. I don't know. She could have done anything, but she did nothing.

52:38Ben Mandelker: And she's got it. And she's trying to spin it. And she's failing.

52:41Ronnie Karam: Well, she's also a professional. And she's purposely leaving it for the cameras. you know that's what they do but it's really shitty and she's trying to turn this around and make it sound like stacy just brought it up for the cameras and so she's messy when giselle was saving it to bring it up for the cameras instead of telling her friend it's like yeah we've watched

53:02Ben Mandelker: this long enough to know what you're doing ma 'am yeah she definitely wanted to have that scene i don't even think she wanted to have like a messy scene with tia necessarily but i'm sure she wanted to say, I need to tell you something. And yeah, but Ashley really screwed her up. This is why Ashley won't be the number two, because Robin wouldn't have screwed it up. Robin already proved that she will edit it out.

53:24Ronnie Karam: Robin wouldn't have screwed it up. That's true.

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55:13Ronnie Karam: So, Stacey is really good, as usual, standing up for herself against Giselle. She doesn't let her bother her at all. She's like, no, no, you just want to be me. You want to beat me so bad. You're sad. You're so sad. And she's like, no, no, Tia. I went on a whole apology tour with you because you were like, oh, my gosh, I heard this, but I had no idea that Stacey wasn't doing it to be nice. But now I hear it this way and I realize that Stacy was being evil the whole time.

55:45Ben Mandelker: You know what? Can I just say something to clear it up? I just will say in Stacy's defense that like when her and Tia were in a heated exchange at the reunion, Stacy could have brought it up then and used it against her. And Wendy is like, you know, there has to be some acknowledgement of her restraint. And she's like, no, she's not going to pass for that. It's either you do it or you don't. She doesn't get a cookie. Cookie? Does someone talk about cookie? I love cookie. She doesn't get a cookie because she didn't bring it up at the reunion. She gets only a cookie if she never brought it up at all.

56:16Ben Mandelker: Oh, please. Like, you wouldn't have ever brought it up at all. Yeah.

56:22Ronnie Karam: So Wendy's like, we can't be litigating who's more for. Like, somebody could have simply picked up the phone and called Tia, but everyone waited until they had an audience and everyone at fault, which, you know, is true. So Tia's like, well, regardless if you brought it, go ahead.

56:38Ben Mandelker: I am going to be a little bit of a hypocrite here. I mean, this is a nuanced situation. Everyone is at fault. But also, we're sitting here dinging Giselle. She was waiting to bring it up on camera. She was waiting. To be fair, Giselle knows her job. And she's like, this is something that should be brought up on camera. I'm not going to keep it for a conversation off camera. This is for the show. This needs to be on the show. This is gossip that should be addressed. So I'm going to do my job. And it's Ashley who really just like fucked it all up. Ashley, Ashley, just spread stuff, not on the show.

57:15Ben Mandelker: And you got to keep it on TV. It's also pretty silly to believe that Tia didn't know this stuff.

57:24Ronnie Karam: If people, we know that Bravo audiences are messy. We've been watching this show forever. We know how people are with some screenshots, some sending to DMs. I mean, there's a lot of history. There's two decades of this going on. Someone sent those screenshots to Tia too. I think that they've all known this. And this was just, how is this going to be brought up on camera? And I think Stacey did a fairly tasteful job. Well, I think overall, very tasteful job of doing it. So they're just basically trying to make this into an argument because they really don't have a lot going on this season. And so Tia's like, well, you know, Rob is the one who made the mistake.

58:09Ronnie Karam: And he's the one who did this. And he's the one who should be getting in trouble. And without Rob doing this, we would have nothing to fight about. So that's it. Which, thank you.

58:19Ben Mandelker: That is the real answer here. That is the real answer. Let's not forget it was Rob. Rob who did this all, you know. What was that about, Robert? Robert's back on the show, you know. so uh what so now sorry i'm i'm i'm just i got distracted by something you just keep on going i'm in the wrong part of the notes i'm in a flashback okay so now they're well they still

58:48Ronnie Karam: are talking about this and um wendy is like well you know we were at a double date with them and it was weird because i was just asking guap very very simple questions and you weren't letting him answer and t is like well that's not fair he's a great man he can answer if he wants but look wendy's pretending like oh i was here you know these are the ones who are getting messy on camera and bringing this stuff up when you were trying to get this man to do his big confession thing on camera which i kind of get because t is not really making him answer so you want you want him to answer for this on TV, but it's not really your bit.

59:29Ronnie Karam: It's not really any of your business. And also if anybody was questioning you to that degree about your own legal stuff that you and your husband are going through, it would be a problem. So it would be, it would be, but like

59:41Ben Mandelker: something not being your business doesn't really count on the housewives show on, you know, cause like, like three quarters of the things that people talk about on these shows are just like socially egregious the way that they, the way they confront everyone with, I heard this about that whatever so so there is that and that's true but she's she's she's biting back about that she's

1:00:02Ronnie Karam: saying well you you didn't even let like you wouldn't even let me question him it's like okay well then let's just keep questioning you too if that's what we're gonna do well it's interesting

1:00:12Ben Mandelker: because wendy said last week that the reason why she was questioning rob or saying these things in this way is because um she sort of feels like tia's a little afraid to ask these questions of rob or doesn't or sort of lets him off the hook but now it's more like oh i was asking questions to try to get real information you wouldn't let me answer um either way i mean we we did see that that tia like he needed to actually be the one as the person who met who who who who is in the penalty box he needed to be the one to really say what he needed to say and tia was kind of like jumping in and giving him outs etc um which none of us because this i think humiliating for tia

1:00:53Ronnie Karam: too you know because tia's also getting to kind of control not control the narrative also obviously she's not controlling it her husband was just out for cheating but it's like how much does she want her husband saying on national tv so she's like you know you don't have to answer this rob meaning like i don't want you up there being like oh yes and also i sleep with prostitutes and i've had sex with this many people and i haven't been having sex with my wife for this long and our marriage is a sham you know tia doesn't want him she doesn't want that she doesn't want her on tv either right so like wendy is acting like she's doing someone a favor but no you're bringing this stuff onto national tv and she's trying to protect her kids just like you're trying to protect your kids with all this you know screwing over a flow from progressive stuff that you've got

1:01:42Ben Mandelker: going on yeah so um i like robin is like well i understand what rob is feeling because it takes a lot for the men in our lives to have difficult conversations on camera. And we see a flashback to something I just had totally forgotten about of Juan saying, okay, well, Robin, here's what happened. So I rented the hotel room. I didn't know her, but I rented the hotel room because I felt bad because she lost a leg. Luckily, she was born with three legs, so she still could walk with her two legs, but I didn't know her. It was totally innocent. And yes, I did allow her to do my laundry. And we stayed in that room together, but we had no sex.

1:02:17Ben Mandelker: It was just because she was lonely. It was totally fine, Robin. I mean, that is crazy.

1:02:23Ronnie Karam: But even his story, his original story was even, I mean, it was so crazy. You don't even have to make anything up. Like, yeah, you know, I mean, sure. Like, I got the room, but it's only because she lost her wallet in the casino. And it's like, oh, okay. And so Robin's like, oh, you know, it's difficult for the men, too. Yeah.

1:02:47Ben Mandelker: That's maybe not the best example Of that So then Giselle's like Do you want to stay with him, ma? Well, I do not fear that what has been done is significant I'm not going to throw out an entire relationship Because of the issues of this And Stacey's like Well, you know Asha goes, babe Isn't this his second time? And when he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa Second time And they're like, what? He was doing this Like, yeah, it happened 20 years ago. And now they're all looking around like, oh, well, this kind of changes things. This is not the same as our marriage is in a rut and he got lonely and he started, like, making a dating profile for titillation.

1:03:34Ben Mandelker: It's like, oh, this might be a pattern.

1:03:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah. um so monique's like well you know this hits me in the pit of my stomach because we're protecting these men who are doing dumb shit and you know you're making it your responsibility to course correct but he needs to do that and he needs to let your children see him holding you up not the other way around this is on him but i don't know that he wants to he doesn't really even seem to care you know yeah i think at this point there i think tia and this husband seem very checked out from each other and just seem to be in the marriage for the partnership aspect so i don't really know what you do but you need support if you want to leave your husband but i'm getting the impression from tia that she's like well he's still doing a lot of the carpool and i

1:04:24Ben Mandelker: let it be yeah so monique is basically like yeah i'm a divorcee and i've realized that you don't have to live a life that you like it's nice to not have to live a life where you're lying and like if it's broken it's broken you know people stay in these marriages longer than they need to be because they're lying to themselves or to each other but if it's broke it's broke and then ash is like yeah well this is a great conversation so um everyone let's get ready for our fiesta cinco de mayo on delay like okay well great it's done this is a great conversation but

1:05:02Ronnie Karam: We know that I have to get ready for my favorite holiday, Cinco de Mayo. So she's gotten everybody a gift, which are these little suction masturbator toys. And Stacey's like, what is this? They're like, oh, it's a vibrator. She's like, for women? How does this work?

1:05:24Ben Mandelker: And she's like, you just stick it on. And it goes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. and so uh Giselle goes up to Tia and goes Stacy's not your friend and she's like are you my friend Giselle she's like I am your friend I am actually your friend but we got heated and I never thought that would happen with us without one year friendship Giselle's like I didn't either but you're clear Stacy's not your friend you know that right repeat after me Stacy is not your friend blink once if Stacy is watching Stacy is not your friend

1:05:57Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so now Giselle is getting to Tia because Tia's opinion is changing. And she's like, well, there wouldn't be anything to bring to me if Rob hadn't done it. But at the same time, what is it? What is it like football? You could have come to me off the camera. You know, I'm not good with American football. But what is it? The quarterback? You ran with it. So if that's what it is, just own it. Just own it. Oh, don't let Giselle trick you. She does it so well. Don't doubt yourself. You were right in the first place.

1:06:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So now Stacey takes Wendy aside. And she's like, can I talk to you for a second? I am so disappointed in you. Like, what was the need to bring up the comment that I made?

1:06:43Ronnie Karam: But you said the comment. But I didn't say it like that. You shouldn't have brought it up like that.

1:06:50Ben Mandelker: But they asked me how you delivered it. And I told the truth. all I told was the truth of what you said and I definitely said that but I wish that you would have given a total picture as opposed to leading with something that made everyone go up in flames she's like so now you're mad at me for repeating verbatim what you said out of your mouth I'm like it wasn't verbatim but you didn't give the larger context I think that Stacey has a point here

1:07:14Ronnie Karam: yeah and Monique's like well but you know what you you saying you said this about my husband so let me tell you about yours that doesn't sound nice yeah but also you weren't there and the whole point is that wendy was repeating it in a way that it wasn't originally intended so i don't know you're not getting it so stacy's like well you know but she said in the moment you know what i'm talking about and giving her given our relationship i told her the truth i was trying to be honest i was trying to be real i was trying to

1:07:45Ben Mandelker: be a friend and they're like yeah whatever so now we see them settling into their rooms and stuff and now stacy's um she's facetiming with arabella and she's like arabella congratulations you just got into catholic school and arabella's like why catholic school here we come which is what every kid loves to hear i'm sure i'm sure every kid's like oh god i hope i get into catholic school I hope I'm in a strict school where I get my wrist slapped with a ruler. I don't know. I don't know if they still do that in the Catholic school. Probably not. But that's all I've learned about it.

1:08:26Ronnie Karam: Welcome to your next few years of institutionalized kilt. It's like, yay. So Ashley calls her kids. They're just doing the check-in at home thing. Ashley, Giselle, and Monique are hanging out on the roof. And they're like, wow, it's so nice up here. and it's so chilly. Hmm. Wow. The wind blowing. Now she's like, Cinco de Mayo. Okay, it's really freezing up here. Okay. Is there anything else to do in this town? Can we get some space heaters?

1:08:57Ben Mandelker: They are dressed up all nicely to be on this tiny little roof deck. And they're like, Whoa. Okay, dancing. Yay. Fun. Okay. What are we doing on a rooftop

1:09:09Ronnie Karam: with the wind blowing? I didn't even know my areolas could get hard still, but they're hot

1:09:18Ben Mandelker: also Ashley points out that Stacy got a booty overnight and we do see a photo of Stacy showing off her ass on a beach with Timo and that is funny because like Stacy famously had no ass and now all of a sudden there's an ass so I'm sure that's going to become a plot point like Stacy what's going on with your butt well I just ate a lot of rutabaga you know it's going to be that thing She's not going to admit that she got a butt job. Yeah.

1:09:46Ronnie Karam: So then Stacey announces that she's now best friends with Tiffany Haddish. Let's speak to your guys. She's a celeb. Tiffany Haddish is a celeb. So they became friends. Now they're like celeb friends.

1:10:01Ben Mandelker: Tiffany Haddish, who was at one of the very first public crappies that we had. She didn't come to the crappies. She came to the Hollywood Improv. coincidentally. And like, I was like, we did a show. And she was like, great. I was so excited. I was like, Tiffany Haddish is here. She wasn't, and she wasn't even in the same room. It was just that after the show, we went and partied at the bar at the improv and she was there. And I was like, this counts. Tiffany Haddish was a guest.

1:10:32Ben Mandelker: But I took a picture with her.

1:10:35Ronnie Karam: She was an after party guest. It counts. So they talk about that. And then now we're talking about, I thought you were saying that you're not fighting to be just, oh gosh, oh gosh. I'm really trying with this.

1:10:51Ben Mandelker: Are we now at the dinner table where the chef is making them chili relenos? Is that, is that, is that the part? I think so. He said relenos. He's like, we're going to make you some chicken. We're going to make you some chili relenos. That sounds like a great Cinco de Mayo party you guys are having.

1:11:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. That's not a good start to see go to bio, guys. So Stacy's like, well, I had dinner with Robin before Tiffany had ish. And it was so great getting to know Robin. And she was talking about how, you know, she's fine with Ashley giving up her title of being Giselle's best friend. What a fun conversation. Right, Robin?

1:11:35Ben Mandelker: That was such a hilarious pivot. it like and then robin's like what robin just laughs i'm i'm really loving robin as a friend of because she just gives i feel like sometimes she's just watching the show with us and she just starts laughing like what are you doing and she's like what are you talking about it and and so robin is like was that was that said she's well i thought you were saying you're not fighting to be giselle's best friend that's something that ashley could have you basically hate giselle that's the implication she goes no you asked me how i felt about whatever like ashley coming at me at the dinner you know and i was like i don't know what ashley's issues with me and then wendy said ashley feels threatened by me because she's gonna lose her position next to giselle so i was like okay go for it well i thought that when we were at courtney's party there was a dynamic

1:12:27Ronnie Karam: between you and robin that i've never witnessed between you two and giselle's like well they've had their fights uh but that's just a moment but it doesn't mean they're not fine yeah she's still mad because i talked about her on our podcast wow there's not going to be an episode that goes by where we're not going to talk about our podcast so apparently a source of tension between ashley

1:12:51Ben Mandelker: and robin is because uh robin said that it was tacky of ashley to sort of um flaunt that she like made out with sharisa's son jackson and so uh like uh robbins felt like it was tacky to do that she felt like do it it's fine you can do it but just don't like talk about it that's tacky

1:13:14Ronnie Karam: yeah i love that everybody's pretending that they can't believe there's any tension between ashley and robin when we have that whole season of those two going at it and the fight in the

1:13:27Ben Mandelker: kangaroo restaurant remember right which is what they bring up right now because then they say garabas i mean i don't know what else it could be and ash is like um we have history it's not just that we have history and then we see the montage which includes you want to see me putting a finger in your face this is me putting a finger in your face the classic yes yeah um so um let's see so

1:13:52Ronnie Karam: So Monique is now talking about her dynamic with Karen. Yes. So Monique's like, well, we had a dynamic where we shared a lot with each other and going through my divorce. Karen had her own things going on, but I really needed her during my divorce. And then I was like, where is she? You know, and then I would see pictures of Karen and Cookie. And she's like, wait a minute. Where's the picture of Cookie and the ex? Where's that? And she's like, well, you guys were at some event and you went to Jackson's afterward. and she's like, oh, oh, well, we went to a concert. We went to a concert. That was a different time.

1:14:28Ronnie Karam: Which time was I with your husband you're talking about?

1:14:32Ben Mandelker: We were seeing Lunelle. It's like, no, but like it happened more than once. Well, we've seen Lunelle. We've seen Lunelle every time we can see Lunelle. We'll see Lunelle. She's like, no, you went with, you were hanging out with him. And Robin's like, Karen and Monique were friends and to see Karen being chummy or cool with her ex-husband, I mean, who's really putting her through hell? That's just hurtful. And Stacey says, I was vilified because I was in a photo with someone's ex. But now we're sitting here talking about your friend? Hanging out with your ex? Huh. Well, he was at the concert.

1:15:06Ronnie Karam: I saw him at the concert. We took a selfie. Well, I'm not allowed to take selfies with anyone's exes. It was a lot.

1:15:14Ben Mandelker: It was a lot. It happens with every divorce. Every divorce. You know, from here to Surrey County, every divorce. When you're separated from Chris, you know, my heart broke for you. It broke so hard that I went running to Chris and I said, let's take a photo. So that way her heart could be healed again. But at the same time.

1:15:33Ronnie Karam: You know who it was really hurtful to? Me. It was very hurtful to me. I said, when am I going to hear that big booming voice of Chris Samuels again? So we went to Lunell. I hugged the man, I sat on his lap, and I just let him speak very deeply. I felt the vibrations through my skull. I feel them to this very day. He said, Hello, Karen.

1:15:55Ben Mandelker: I curled up into the fetal position in his palm, and I slept like a little baby in the creases of his hand.

1:16:04Ronnie Karam: And I told him, Chris Samuels, I did not steal your golden goose.

1:16:11Ben Mandelker: He kept me safe Throughout the entire Lunell show He took his He took a Thimble A thimble for him, a Chris-sized thimble And he's He let me sit in it

1:16:26Ronnie Karam: There's a fly trapped in your hair as you apologise, Karen I'm so sorry to interrupt this

1:16:32Ben Mandelker: So then she says Well, so at the same time I was going through what I was going through Which was, of course drinking and driving just you know just trying to understand what it was like to live your life and then even though our relationship took a back seat at monique ray and chris didn't they were in the front seat make it out metaphorically so now ray and chris best buds because if there's anything a football player wants to do is to hang out with an 80 year old man so there they are

1:17:01Ronnie Karam: I'm excited. What? Chris and Ray were hanging out. She was like, I've never heard a conversation a day in my life with my ex-husband. Like, hey, Ray, what are you doing today? Want to hang out? She's like, yeah. That literally never happened. Well, Giselle's like, that is Ray. But why would you side with Chris, Karen? And she's like, I didn't side with anybody. I sided with sitting in a very comfortable palm of a hand at Lunell.

1:17:30Ben Mandelker: listen Ray and Chris are so close that Ray said I don't want to be in a picture with the person I'm so close with lest I ruin it so you you stand in and pretend that you're me and I'll pretend that I'm you and I'll take the photo and I said I just have to do what I have to do this is a man who did let me have six straight hours of sleep in that soft soft jurgens moistened hand of his

1:17:52Ronnie Karam: well I want you all to know if I get divorced from somebody I'm not going to I'm not going to concerts with or if you guys get divorced from somebody i'm not going to go to concerts with them i didn't go to a concert with him we happen to be there at the same time god forbid me for sitting in a palm well you said lunel no we we were both there we were both there at the same time i'm not gonna fight with i am so much erin i'm very mature i'm not gonna have a fight about this morning i'm sorry you were left by a very rich person all right it appears as though i am

1:18:25Ben Mandelker: losing this argument. So I just want to announce to everyone, Ray and I are going through our own issues. We're in a bad place. We're in a bad place. Aha. You've been distracted. New subject, me and Ray. So Wendy's like, oh.

1:18:37Ronnie Karam: They're like, what? What do you mean you're going through something with Ray? Well, you know, I went in to prison, prison with a big P, capital B prison. When I came out, Ray had a new wife. I'm like, what? Ray had a new wife. It was me. I was the

1:18:53Ben Mandelker: new wife like oh he had a whole new he had a new lover new person in that bed sleeping in that bed but is that you of course it was me

1:19:09Ronnie Karam: you're like okay okay so you're saying you so yes i'm a different person all right he went in that when i went in there was uh the triple triple 20 and double two and i came out i was a triple 20 and triple triple one i'm sorry i'm really losing the math i think it was remembering chris at lunella it's getting me the point is this there was a 100 new genetically

1:19:36Ben Mandelker: new person with completely different genes that was living in that house with race so there was a new person you said they have new genes no they had new levi jeans it was a celebration of getting out of jail. Listen, you can't spell prison without risen, and that's what I was, a new person.

1:19:53Ronnie Karam: Same wife, different wig. Does that make sense? No, what are you talking about? Same wig, different wife. Who's the new wife? Me. You see, it's like, oh, okay, meaning that Karen changed. And Stacy goes, I thought there was somebody in your house. Well, I changed, but also Raymond changed. So we both ended up with a stranger. Strangers who still fax things around to each other.

1:20:24Ben Mandelker: I said, Ray, let's get kinky and let's invite two strangers to this house. And that's what we did. That's what prison does to you.

1:20:33Ronnie Karam: They each brought their own fax. There's no way to one or throw away 30 years without pulsing it, paying attention to the marriage, and writing each other love letters. For example, I just wrote one today. It sounded a little bit like this.

1:20:51Ronnie Karam: I

1:20:55Ronnie Karam: don't

1:20:58Ben Mandelker: appreciate that, Ray. Love, Karen. I'll tell you, the way my heart, there was something beautiful about writing that love letter. It sort of took me back. My heart started to flutter the moment I said, this is a cover sheet, sheet one of two. The number of romantic cover sheets We've faxed them each other over the years Brings a tear to the eye

1:21:20Ronnie Karam: Courtney's like Well do you think you're still attracted to him Mentally Well I don't really know what that means But I don't like him mentally right now She's like that's what I'm sensing Wow Courtney Well Courtney solved it everybody

1:21:35Ben Mandelker: You don't mentally like him What does that mean Hmm

1:21:41Ronnie Karam: So Karen's like well I'm stronger And I'm very independent And there's something unusual for me in my marriage. You know, I'm 17 years younger than Ray. And they're like, wow, yeah, Ray's used to taking care of you. She's like, yes, I don't want that now. And Gisela goes, well, surely he appreciates sober Karen, right? And she goes, hmm, hmm. And Robin goes, wait a minute. Maybe he doesn't appreciate her being sober. And Gisela goes, but why? Because when she wasn't sober, she wasn't stronger. And Gisela goes, oh, my God. I can't believe that one. Who wants this? Who wants that? Who wants that Karen?

1:22:17Ronnie Karam: That Karen was horrible.

1:22:20Ben Mandelker: What I'm hearing is that Ray was accustomed to Karen being dependent on him. I was on the traders. I know how to deduce things now. And so Robin is like, so it seems like he's not really adjusted to this new normal. Well, what I want to do out of respect for Ray is that he didn't leave me. He didn't leave me. He stayed around. because husbands leave you when they go inside, when you go inside, but at least the same time, it's okay because he feels that I did leave him. So he didn't leave me, but I left him, and I went together. Six strangers living in one house. Wait a second.

1:22:57Ronnie Karam: And now poor Rain has seven wives. Seven wives? They're all me. I'm every single one of those wives.

1:23:06Ben Mandelker: Well, it's me and then all those Mormon wives on Hulu. He watches it religiously now. where's my day Karen

1:23:12Ronnie Karam: Tuesday Karen shall I go on it's Wednesday Cinco de Mayo hump day so they're basically like what are you going to do she's like well I'm just going to be in pain and I'll just have to deal with that for a minute everybody thank you thank you everybody

1:23:31Ben Mandelker: I'm going to take care of Ray for the rest of his life so then what why are we talking about this why are we talking about this then Nah. Well, it's just how it is. I'm just, I have an old man that I have to tend to, and all he wants to do is golf, and all I want to do is shoot a TV show, and here we are.

1:23:52Ronnie Karam: Okay, so now it's bedtime, but then we find out that Ashley and Courtney did not go to bed. They got up, and they went out together to a place with really nobody in it except them, and they partied their faces off.

1:24:08Ben Mandelker: They did. They partied and partied. And basically, it was a producer who was with them who was filming on their iPhone. And they're having fun. And they're, like, dancing and everything. But they're also doing shots. And anyone who paid attention earlier says, wait a second, but Courtney doesn't drink. Right? But guess what? She drinks after hours.

1:24:30Ronnie Karam: Oh, Courtney's not, yeah, Courtney's not going to like this because she just said on camera, I don't do this because I'm a preacher now and I care about my reputation. I mean, it's not like she was trying to hide it. She was saying at least, you know, I'm not doing it right now because I'm studying to be a preacher. But when they're filming you on the iPhone, they're filming you for the TV show, you know? And when Ashley takes you. Bravo, and they will use some cell phone footage. They don't give a shit. Doesn't matter that it's not HD, you know?

1:24:57Ben Mandelker: And don't trust Ashley. Ashley taking you out one-on-one to get to know you, that means she's going to find the dirt on you. It's like those movies where like someone joins like a law firm or something. And there's like a scary boss and his wife is like, I want to take the wife out. Just have a little girl's time. And that turns out she has an evil agenda. You know those movies. That's what Ashley is like. She's like, yeah, just be us. Just two girls. Everything's fine. I won't betray you at all.

1:25:23Ronnie Karam: And then they go home. And Courtney was like, you know what? I'm craving some water. Some water to drink? No, some water to baptize each other in. Hot tub water. She's like, yeah, hot hot tubs. That is going to get, that'll bring people to Jesus for sure. So they get in their swimsuits and go to the hot tub and are still being filmed on an iPhone or whatever. Yes. And so Courtney's like, I was raised very well. And she goes, what does that mean? Jehovah's Witness? She goes, no, but I think Stacey was. Dun, dun, dun. She's like, what? I saw something about Stacey being a Jehovah's Witness.

1:26:03Ben Mandelker: And then Stacy turned 18 and she escaped. And I was like, escaped? Was it a cult? And now she's like, oh my God, I never heard that before. That could be why she's guarded about herself. And why didn't she want to tell us so much about her past? And here she is as a mastermind from Vulture Magazine when she secretly escaped a giant cult that she now has to answer for for the rest of the season.

1:26:30Ronnie Karam: are there any witnesses about stacy being a witness happy cinco de mayo so they're really they're trying it i mean you're i mean your big jehovah's witness someone right up jehovah's witness when they were a kid it's gonna become a whole thing

1:26:50Ben Mandelker: there's a whole there's a whole world of content out there about like jehovah's witnesses is it cult is it not a cult and we're about now house it's going to turn into a whole i know i can just see it it's going to turn into a whole thing it's going to be hilarious so um we'll see how it all

1:27:06Ronnie Karam: turns out is what probably won't offend any jehovah's witnesses because they're not listening to our podcast there's something positive uh anyway we'll see how this all unfolds it'll be

1:27:21Ben Mandelker: quite interesting and we will talk to everyone um on our next episode which is not crappy hour tonight it does not but go get your tickets to see us in texas at dallas and in houston in in austin sorry unfortunately our houston show we had to scrap it i'm very sad about that but we will get back to you houston we will we'll find a way to come back to you um anyway thanks everyone talk to you later bye everybody bye watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. We're adamant about Adam Nerzer. Ain't no thing like Alison King. Our way is the Amber way. It's the Foster and the Furious.

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