#3613 The Golden Life S1E4: Mad Hatter

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2:40Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens? A podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on your bruvs. I'm Ronnie. Ronnie Karam. And that's Ben Udy Mandelker over there. Hello, Ben. How are you? I'm great, thanks. How are you doing? Good. We are doing, Ben is in a hotel tonight in Dallas, Texas, because we have our live show. So we have started recording local video and local audio. So just fingers crossed, guys, give us a fingers crossed for this show, would you? Yes. Golden Life. But also, if you are local, come see us live. We'll be here in Dallas on Thursday night doing Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and in Austin, Texas on Friday night doing Real Housewives of Orange County.

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3:38Ben Mandelker: I know. I'm so excited for our Texas shows. Thank you. So it's a rowdy time. So, yeah. The Golden Life. so here we go with the golden life previously some ladies are concerned with Sonya's bad behavior yeah so we start with Luann going to Dorinda's and Dorinda's like hey so how much fun was last night? Last night was a lot of fun oh it was so much fun you did so good asking me questions about how amazing I am thank you thank you for understanding that I am essentially a visionary in the world of cabaret

4:17Ronnie Karam: What is that? What are you opening right now? Oh, you know, I'm getting lunch ready for the girls. You know, gift bags. I want you to shit gift bags. It's me. You know, I'm going to do colored table mats. Because everybody knows me, Zorinda. You know, everybody knows I love to host a police stone manor. I don't feel like I'm connecting with Palm Beach. So I'm going to host a party. Because that's when I feel the best. The best Dorinda placemats.

4:47Ben Mandelker: The best a Gillette can get is Dorinda. So Ramona apparently went up to do the Bethany skincare influencing for rock cosmetics, ROC. But she stayed up there. Well, you know what? I decided to stay up in New York, okay? To spend some time with Avery. Or as the people in her neighborhood call her, Miss Havisham. Because she looks old. I look young, okay?

5:15Ronnie Karam: You know what? I'm just getting so many people getting used to putting on skincare in Baghdad. That's it.

5:27Ben Mandelker: So Dorinda's talking about this, her interactions with Sonia. And she's saying, you know, we had this great opportunity. We went to this beautiful spa. I got my scalp massaged. You know, I was just embarrassed. I was so embarrassed in that spa. I like that this is the place where Dorinda gets embarrassed. You see nothing but like clips of Dorinda literally saying clip, like no matter what venue she's in, she could have meltdowns anyway. She ended a season in a turban screaming at people, but oh goodness, the, the, the scalps, the scalp massagers,

5:59Ronnie Karam: nevermind the entire pizza restaurant that actually has a cardboard cutout of somebody that looks a lot like you after you screamed about your friend having a Holland Tunnel vagina at the top of your lungs. Restaurant, okay? God forbid the scalp massagers.

6:19Ben Mandelker: Technically that happened in the Hamptons, not at a restaurant, but the point remains because there is a cutout of her going clip, clip, clip. You know,

6:27Ronnie Karam: that was the restaurant in Brooklyn, wasn't it? When they went to the Wise Guys thing and she got the cardboard cutout and she said, shut up, Sonia. Why don't you put a Holland Tunnel on your vagina? An easy pass on your holling tunnel vagina was that an italian restaurant i have a strong memory of it happening

6:44Ben Mandelker: in the hamptons and candace bushnell was there but you know what we'll let the people decide that way we get good engagement on this podcast so then um dorinda is basically like i was really embarrassed and you know she's talking shit about you she's talking shit about me she's saying oh michael's still married and i was like wait but luann's happy so why do you care oh well i'm on the same page as you don't get me wrong but i think you know the approach that we have to show at least for at least one scene in this episode. And then after that, we can go back to the way we were. It's kindness.

7:16Ronnie Karam: That's what everybody knows us for. Being kind. And hugs. You know, this is Sonia. So something's wrong with her. And, you know, we really need to look at Sonia and just say that we're talking to a crazy person. Okay? How much can you kick a crazy person while they're down? You can't. Just hand them a dollar and say, you know, thank you for loving my music. Like, let's sing him a song. Right?

7:40Ben Mandelker: That's really all you can do at the end of the day. And so Dorinda's like, okay, you know what? Do me a favor. On Tuesday, when I have a beautiful luncheon here, I just can't have a being crazy. I'm like, well, it's Sonia. You guys have been trying to throttle her for 10 years and it's never worked. It's not going to work now if we're at party.

7:59Ronnie Karam: And you're all certifiable, by the way. Like, Sonia really is a problem. But you're Dorinda. And you're Luann. What are you even talking about? I like Luann, at least. It's like, I know what you're trying to do. You haven't wanted to shoot with Sonya this whole time, all right? Stop pretending you're like this nice Dorinda who doesn't mind shooting. Because, you know, Dorinda's like, I'm having a hat party in my very, very nice apartment. I can't have anybody ruining my hat party that I'm doing for television. Luann's like, yeah, I'll talk to her. Don't worry. Yeah, I want to get out of this area.

8:33Ronnie Karam: You know what I don't want to do? I didn't want to do something in Palm Beach. I want to do like a sip and see. I'm not sipping. I'm not shopping. What I want to do is I want to go drink in a retail shop.

8:46Ben Mandelker: Well, the more gaudy and the cheeky, the better. By the way, Dorinda hates being down here. She does. This is not her scene. She hates being with all these Republican women because, you know, Dorinda is very liberal. She is miserable and she cannot hate it anymore.

9:02Ronnie Karam: and they're not putting a lot of the they're not putting any politics on here really but the one they did in palm members only palm beach was all of the ladies like oh we got to get into mar-a-lago mar-a-lago that's amazing like every scene yes that's all they care about this community and

9:20Ben Mandelker: dorinda's like i hate it get me out of here i think she just sees it as a whole bunch of like older women who do nothing but just go from boutique to boutique wearing like gaudy florals and have nothing going on there's a bunch of ramonas and she's like i want to be in a city where there's culture people wear black it's chic there's something going on people are like doing interesting things aside from just like having parties for the 50 best friends okay

9:50Ronnie Karam: yeah there's people you know you can walk in off the street like to go get a bagel and you're like you can just say whatever you want and have a conversation. It doesn't even matter if people are conversing with you back. But I think somewhere like this, you're walking up to people and just going off and they're looking at you like, with a big plastic smile. And I don't think she knows what to do with that.

10:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she hates it. So then we go to Sonia's house and she's talking to her intern, Emma. They're sort of like doing something with flowers.

10:21Ronnie Karam: Second intern. Sonia's second intern. another 20 year old being paid nothing to work for someone who kind of does nothing i mean god

10:30Ben Mandelker: bless her yeah and sonia has just laid out a bunch of contracts or legal documents on on the floor and she's like hemma look at all those deals look at the i mean those are hot i have like five or six contracts i just have to sign and you know they're just giving them away i mean they're just like it's like a squeaky wheel gets the grease in new york if you want to get a contract you got to sign it you know what i'm saying emma emma's like oh my god what am i don't want to be seen on

10:52Ronnie Karam: camera i'm just a busy person and you know it was after seeing to render the spot i can't take any more drama i'm just a very busy person contracts contracts contracts i mean it's it's been very difficult since my husband's accident and the divorce oh my god come back to the five and dime come on come back sonia come on what is the accident is that is that what he died from is this like yes what okay he went into like a you know he had to be nursed back and then she didn't come back from saint tropez because god knows what she was she chose to stay partying according to the rumors back then and then he left her for one of her friends who looks oh oh that oh

11:36Ben Mandelker: yes yes okay but it's so funny she's not such a complicated life since my husband's accident and divorce like honey like it it has been years he's not even alive anymore and so then uh but she's still like going back there over and over and over again and like i and i actually do think it's different than with richard because like with richard that was like an interrupted story and um and i think like in both situations you're grieving and in both situations for sonia it was interrupted too but i feel like i just i allowed dorinda to reflect because she reflects sort of like beautifully on her on richard and like like she's she still goes through a process of like he's still here with me and this and that and i don't know i think there's like some comfort in there but like with sonia it comes off more like someone who was never able to accept what happened whereas i think dorinda has accepted what's happened in her life but she likes to reflect on it but sonia is just like she still talks about him like like they're married and It's like Sonia's flat out delusional.

12:39Ronnie Karam: She's just flat out delusional. And she's repeating. She's in a cycle of just repeating everything over and over and over and over. And it's just a train wreck. And if they didn't have to shoot with her, nobody would be talking to her.

12:51Ben Mandelker: And that's probably actually always been the root of her issues with Dorinda is that like Sonia was massively devastated, obviously, by the dissolution of her marriage. Like she has been rattled by it. and I feel like she can't express it loudly enough and she does get kind of brushed off and then Dorinda comes around and like there was that scene that they had they opened up a season with this huge fight where like Dorinda I mean Sonia said that like divorce was like a death and Dorinda's like no I actually went through a death and there's sort of like this thing like I can't I'm hurting so bad but I can't talk about it because Dorinda's gonna pull the death card so like I do get that thing but the difference is that like like Sonia is

13:33Ronnie Karam: yeah she's just like in a whole different world now well yeah in a healthy way yeah i mean oh my god it's just the same thing over i mean we'll be here 20 years from now still talking about this dog on the wood you know god bless all of us and all of our health and sonya will still be saying the same thing over and over so now dorinda goes to kelly's house and this scene was cracking me up because nobody wants to really hang out with Kelly either, but we have what we have. And so they're trying to be friends with Kelly, basically. So Dorinda comes over. She clearly does not want to be there with Kelly, but she's really putting it on thick.

14:16Ronnie Karam: And they're both like, wow, Kelly, so good to finally get to spend some time with you. She's like, yeah, Dorinda. It's like, you know, like you're an icon. And like, it's crazy that we've like never hung out outside of like girls' trumps. So I just want to like be around you. And I just want you to know, like, I'm obsessed with you, Dorinda. Like, I go home, I go to bed, and I, like, literally think about Dorinda. I'm like, wow.

14:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Hey, why don't you show me around your house? Because you're getting kind of annoying right now. You know what I love? I love when people name their houses. You know? Oh, my God. That's, like, a cute – that's such a cute idea. What if we call this house cutest cove in the world? Oh, how about this? Coral cove. Coral – how about owls in a cove? Cove of owls. What about that? What do you think about that? Yeah. Good work, honey.

15:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't really know. How about fucking Looney 2 No One Wants to Shoot With? Lanai. How about that? Looney Lanai. That's systematic bullying. Oh, yeah.

15:14Ben Mandelker: Systematic Bullying Manor.

15:16Ronnie Karam: Bullying Boulevard. What do you think about that? How about that? And Dorenda goes, you know what's crazy? This is nuts. You're going to be shocked about it. But earlier I was thinking, I really miss Blue Stone Manor. I really do. I miss it. She's like, yeah, that is like literally crazy. Are you like, whoa, I missed my home? Yeah. You know, and Greg, you know, he's always like, what are you up to now, Zarenda? And he's like, I'm in the garden. And like, one of the crows died. That's something that happened. You know, I got rosemary in the garden. I offer it to the trees at night. I say, rosemary.

15:48Ronnie Karam: Hey, trees, you want some rosemary? And the tree's like, I don't want it. I mean, you better shut the fuck up, tree. You'll take what I give you. You know, I feel like the trees are talking to me.

15:58Ben Mandelker: I love the crow update Yeah, guess what? Millie died She's one of the crows Yeah You know that band counting crows Turns out it's a useful skill I didn't know for three days that Millie had died Until I was like, let me count some crows

16:13Ronnie Karam: You know what? It gets to a point where you don't want to count the crows Because then you go out there and you're like, one's missing And you know it's a whole spiral There's no one really to help you And you're just sitting in the middle of the backyard You know, you toes in the pool while you're chomping on Rosemary Raw and thinking, this is like a fucking Christmas tree. Am I right? Yeah.

16:32Ben Mandelker: I also love her announcing, like, it's kind of like a crazy idea that she misses Bluestone Manor. I know this is crazy, but I miss Bluestone Manor. Like, what? You mean you miss living in a palatial estate in the beautiful Berkshires instead of— Where nobody bothers you. Instead of this one-bedroom apartment in the humid Florida around a bunch of wackadoos?

16:53Ronnie Karam: Crazy. That is absolutely—you're right. That is crazy. And Kelly's like, wow, Dorinda is like a really deep, like thoughtful person. I have no idea what she's talking about, honestly. But like, I love it. Like, I just I just want her to keep going. And Dorinda's like, yeah, you know, I'm at the manna shopping at Rosemary. And I'll do, you know, I'll read a little Greek tragedy. Something about Orpheus, you know.

17:16Ben Mandelker: I'll look back to wine, go to sleep. It's a shame because the crow that died, I had named Antigone. But you know what? Didn't work out well for Antigone either.

17:25Ronnie Karam: You know what, Persephone? Stupid crow, great number. Really great number. She had the best number in the whole show.

17:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I heard one of the other crows saying, hey, guess what? Auntie's gone. I said, her name's not Auntie, and she's not gone. Her name's Antigone. Like, yeah, that's what I was saying. I realized the crow didn't know how to speak too Greek. It's okay.

17:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, I don't know who Orpheu is. It's Orpheu. Yeah, you know what? They call me a white witch. Oh, yeah, they call Ramona that, too. Actually, I've been on the internet.

17:55Ben Mandelker: You know, people really think that I'm very Palm Beach. Like, I can play the part. But I'll tell you, the problem with me is this. And this is why it's good. This is why it's good for me to take, I take myself to go someplace where I'm a little bit uncomfortable. And I have no problem spending time with me myself in time, you know, for long periods of time. I could be myself. I could watch Law and Order in my room. But it's good to go to Palm Beach. And I walk around and be like, hey, hey, what are you doing over there? Get a jab. Oh, wait, that was Vicky. She taught me that. That's a fun thing to say to people, it turns out.

18:24Ronnie Karam: I don't mind being alone You know I'm Miss Richard And then they're talking about Kelly's You know Dorinda's asking Kelly about herself Which she really doesn't care But she's like So you still have a place in New York? Yeah like yeah like a little place But like I just need to come here And I need to have a hug Because like I was like having all these feelings And I got off the plane And then Tarzan and I were like sitting there Who's Tarzan? It's the dog It's right there Oh he's the dog Look at that What's the dog's name? Tarzan. Tarzan. The dog's name was Tarzan. Oh, that's great. I thought that was the Ottoman.

19:00Ben Mandelker: No, it was Tarzan. It was just like a fat dog. Oh, okay. You should get him on a treadmill or something like that. Listen, I'm just trying to tell you I need a hug, okay? Just like overwhelmed. Okay, well, that's nice. Yeah, because I'm like getting over my divorce, I've decided. Yeah, because like my ex-husband just kept me at home like Rapunzel, just like making sure the kids were okay. And I was like just in the tower. And so I was literally, when I say like, you're down here and I'm up here, like people don't realize I was literally in a tower like Rapunzel. I was all the way up there. And I'm like, please climb out my hair.

19:27Ben Mandelker: Please, not Tarzan.

19:28Ronnie Karam: He's a little heavy. You know what? At least you do know some literature. So I'll give you that.

19:34Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but like, why didn't she ever release a mixtape? What are you talking about? Rapunzel. It's like, doesn't she hear like a rapper? Rapunzel. Get the dog. I'm taking the dog. I'm taking it to a safe home.

19:49Ronnie Karam: yeah like i'm really like trying to hone these friendships because like like i i'm not married anymore you also haven't been married in a real what are you guys talking about what is everybody on this show talking about it's like yeah like it's crazy like my husband was like so mean like you know what yeah it's it's it's a lot to give your life to someone you know and now you're gonna set down your roots now you're gonna set down your roots okay are we done talking here It's been a very long time. It's been very good. I got to learn about Kelly. I don't learn anything about Kelly. Please don't ever make me come here again.

20:24Ben Mandelker: Okay? Kelly's like, you know what, Dorinda? I had so many beautiful memories with you when you were in St. Bart's. I'm like, really? Because I watched that show. It did not seem like you guys had a beautiful relationship on that island.

20:34Ronnie Karam: Dorinda read you for filth on that show. It's like, yeah. But any miscommunications, I felt so terrible. And I would go home and be like, oh, my God. I hope Dorinda's like, okay, because she's an icon. She's like, okay, listen, here's my tagline for the season. I gotta go see my radio show.

20:54Ben Mandelker: All right. I gotta do my radio show. You know, it's interesting. I really enjoy this show. I think it's very funny. I love the dynamics are really so wonderful. But there is something kind of languid about it. It's a little listless. And I think the reason why is because they're not doing anything. They're just here in Palm Beach. Beach is kind of like a one thing like a ultimate girls trip but like that just keeps on going and like with the Real Housewives they're all they all have their own lives and we're following them doing different things and even on like Ladies of London which is has a different slightly structurally a little bit different they're all like they're they're they're like living active lives whereas here it just sort of feels like the brakes are on and they're just floating around Palm Beach and just like getting together to film to talk about things.

21:42Ben Mandelker: So they own all that they have to talk about are these traumas from their past that they are still haunted by. But now they're just kind of like dredging them all up and you realize like, oh, you've all stumbled into stagnancy.

21:57Ronnie Karam: And it's - Yes, as we do. But it's different when you're watching something where you're seeing their everyday lives, like you said, like them talking to, you know, just the guy at the deli or whatever they would normally show on this show. But they've got, you know, they're just not doing it. And I think it's a short shoot, and they're getting a lot of episodes, and they're probably making them shoot like every day or many of the days a week, you know? Because Dorinda especially seems like, oh, Jesus Christ. Again? What the fuck do you people want from me? It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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24:10Ronnie Karam: It's a great way to shift your mood.

24:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but everyone's always like recommending a million shows. Like you got to watch this, you got to watch that. I'm at a point where I don't say what do I have to watch. Now I'm all about how do I want to feel.

24:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, the feeling I chase is dark and moody. That's why I go towards crime shows.

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24:39Ronnie Karam: Snacks are a part of the feeling. I love a cracker.

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26:04Ronnie Karam: I give it one week before Ben's arranging those samples like a reunion seating chart. That's what I say. So now we see, right after this scene, of Kelly being like, me and Dorinda are like best friends. You know, it's so nice to have a new friend like Kelly. Really, this one's gonna go the distance. Then we see that they went to dinner off camera, or to party, Kelly, Luann, and Dorinda. and went to pistache as you saw it oh they went back to pistache they went back to pistache and kelly's like yeah so like dorinda who's my best friend now like we went out like after shooting and it was like really fun and then she started talking about richard and i was just like you know what like can we not talk about dead people because like i really like i just like i have a thing against it like they're not even here they're dead like where are we talking about dead people she got really upset you guys god technically laughed so fucking loud at that

27:01Ben Mandelker: so kelly actually technically kelly said please don't talk about the deceased i'm like so are we not talking about your career uh but like she like why would you say that like what did it like what she's like i just think it's rude i think it's rude i just don't like it like i don't like

27:17Ronnie Karam: i don't like hearing about it it's like they're dead it's like it's it's not your deceased so dorinda of course just like lost her mind and rightly so i mean kelly what a dumbass

27:32Ben Mandelker: so now uh yeah okay it's the next morning and luann's talking to michael and she's like well last night well it just went south i mean kelly brought up dorinda's husband who's dead and michael's like oh that's a big no-no she's like big no-no huge no-no it's almost as bad as hitting a note at one of my shows. We know that. They were screaming at each other at our favorite restaurant, pistache.

27:57Ronnie Karam: And Kelly is like, wow, the things she was saying were so strange. Like, oh, you're just a swimsuit model. I'm both going to write about you. I'm like, you're nobody. You're an idiot. You're stupid. What?

28:09Ben Mandelker: Because you know Dorinda just went right for the jugular. So then Dorinda shows up and Michael's like, oh, hello. I came to rescue you. And she's like, hey, thank you. It's had a great night last night. Well, we were having so much fun, Luanne. Remember? We were having so much fun. Well, I know. It was just, it was so much fun. And then just, I don't remember. She goes, you don't talk about your ex. He's dead. I'm like, what? And by the way, he's not my ex-husband. Like, he's like my ex-husband. That's two insults. She called him my ex. And he's also dead. Two insults. Two insults, Luanne.

28:43Ronnie Karam: And then back to Kelly. She's like, yeah. I mean, I agree. Like, we shouldn't talk about your ex-husband. because he's dead. Like, I mean, can I get some? Like, period. Okay. So then I wrote Dorinda a really nice text. And I was like, I'm so sorry for anything that maybe I did to offend you. Dead face, dead face, skull face. I'm dead.

29:04Ben Mandelker: Have you considered clamming at my hair up into my tower and getting to know me? And so Luanne's like, well, did you answer the text? And Dorinda goes, yes. I said, A, thank you for your text. B, please refrain from speaking about my late husband. Have a great day. Best, Dorinda Medley. She signed her full name on a text message.

29:28Ronnie Karam: Best, Dorinda Medley. I thought we were kind of developing a bond. I told her about Greek mythology, Rosemary, My Garden, and the Dead Crow. So where Kelly is getting this, I just don't know. I don't know. Well, it's really crazy, I'll tell you that. Yeah, you know what I feel like? I feel like one of those, you know what's that animal that they just pop up and they look around? A prairie dog. Armadillo. Chinchilla.

29:56Ben Mandelker: Gecko.

29:58Ronnie Karam: Elephant.

30:00Ben Mandelker: Oh, you must clearly be referring to a tapir. Platypus. Woodpecker.

30:10Ronnie Karam: Seal or otter. I get those confused.

30:14Ben Mandelker: Oh, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. A lanternfly, no?

30:20Ronnie Karam: Very dogly man. I pop up, you know, and then I punch. I punch around, and then I just go back down. That's it. That's all I do. Oh, my God. It's hilarious. I mean, who taught you how to fight like that? Well, I said to her, you know, you got no idea. Because if I swing, you're going to go down. All right? And you get one shot. You go forth, and you go for it once. Because then the game is fucking on. All right? This is the wire, bitch. you mean

30:47Ben Mandelker: that's right you got your one shot okay you better lose yourself in the music the movement the motion you ain't never gonna let me go hey I should have that into my cabaret so Luanne goes over to Sonia's place and she's like oh what a cute little place you got I can barely even smell the black mold and Sonia is actually by the way naked in the tub just just taking a bath I love that Luanne's like

31:13Ronnie Karam: wait wait a minute are you just like Make it in here for the camera crew? I mean, come on, Sonia. She says, yeah, what's the big deal? She says, girl, you really need to take care of that bush. Hmm.

31:24Ben Mandelker: God. Fix that bush. Jesus. So Dorinda's.

31:30Ronnie Karam: I mean, just because we're in Palm Beach doesn't mean your bush is going to get an automatic vote. You know what I mean? Trim it.

31:39Ben Mandelker: All right. We're halfway to Brazil. So do as they do and shave that thing.

31:45Ronnie Karam: So they're talking about there's going to be a luncheon. It's a Dorinda luncheon, but I need to get back with Sonia because Sonia is going to be a problem. She's just been acting wacky. All right, listen, we're the best of friends, but some things are not lining up for me. We're a little disconnected, so. Okay, Sonia Rita.

32:03Ben Mandelker: And so Sonia's like, well, I mean, we're very close, Luanne and I, and the only reason why we don't see each other often is because Dorinda's in her ear, reminding her of how horrible I was. No, I mean, like, we're usually connected at the hip. Meanwhile, like every single time we start one of these shows, it's like, oh, I never see Sonia. She always ignores me. She only shows up if someone says, hey, we'll give you$50 and a free ride to Crappy Lake. It's just probably not me attached to the hip.

32:26Ronnie Karam: You're normally attached. And she's like, Sonia, you know what you need? More pillows on your couch. I mean, Jesus Christ. Could you get more pillows? And they're all the old pillows from the, you know, her house. She's like, this is dusty. Oh, God, there's so much dust coming off that pillow, Sonia. God.

32:46Ben Mandelker: You know, we're like an old married couple, you know. We really know each other. We've known each other for so long. So then they start making a drink.

32:53Ronnie Karam: And Sonia is out of, she's just manic. She's still just manic. She's like, Luann, what are you doing? I'm naked in the tub. Ha ha, crazy. We're best friends, right? Me and Lou, like this. Go back in the day. I don't drink, but I do have some THC. I'm going to drink some. You don't mind that? Right? Me and old blue best friend. I would not be able to. I don't know how anybody is staying in these scenes. And everybody on this show is a lot. But she's just, she's off a rocker and she's completely in a manic episode and they need to step in. Someone needs to step in and help Sonya. My God.

33:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think that we really did not include this aspect enough in why Bravo sort of decided to move on. because aside from the fact that they probably all had high salaries because they've been on the show for a long time, and aside from the fact that they were sort of social liabilities because you never knew if something problematic was going to come out of their mouths, especially Ramona, there probably was also just an element of working with them. God, it would have been very difficult. I mean, I can't imagine working with Sonya. I just have to think it's like... I mean, you're doing business with these people.

34:05Ben Mandelker: If you're having them on your show, you're in business, And at a certain point, they probably were like, this headache is not worth it anymore for us.

34:14Ronnie Karam: Yes. So, Luanne, you know, they're trying to have a scene here. And Luanne's like, oh, my God, you know, I'm allergic to dust. Like, really? You literally, you sound like the human embodiment of dust. Really, Luanne? Oh, God. It's like, yeah, I can't. Like, what are these flowers? I cannot have these flowers in here. We need to take them outside. They're dusty. They're dusty flowers.

34:38Ben Mandelker: my throat is closing up. Oh, that explains we're able to sing so lovely. So then Luanne's like, okay, let's catch up. Let's catch up. Okay, now that we're drinking this non-alcoholic booze, that's definitely non-alcoholic and we're definitely not drunk right now. So what? So I hear that Kelly brought up Richard. Oh my God, why would you even bring him up? I mean, why would you bring him up? Richard, you know, Dorinda talks about Richard all the time. Well, they rip each other apart, you know, becomes a huge thing and Dorinda's like, you know what? It's like, if you mention Richard, you talk badly about Richard, then the woman's like,

35:07Ronnie Karam: clip clip clip see i'm doing it now i have ptsd from her clipping on my ass you know and i just don't believe that kelly attacked dorinda i mean i'm envisioning kelly saying to dorinda but your husband's in the past let it go or something like that but oh my god like dorinda told me that a hundred times but like no one's allowed to say it to her well look dorinda you know we're having

35:33Ben Mandelker: lunch on tuesday and she said to me i hope sonia is good because i don't want to be embarrassing in front of these people who are doing this party. So now Luanne, Luanne who just told Dorinda, here's how you get through to Sonia. Just peace and kindness and then everything will be fine. And then she merely goes and tells Sonia, well, this is what Dorinda said about you. Yes.

35:52Ronnie Karam: Well, listen, Sonia, you have to come because you're basically a recluse. All right. This is embarrassing. I mean, my God, these pills are disgusting. Like, please leave the house. I don't want to have to come over here again. It's hurtful. Like, my throat's closing. It's like, it's your world. I'm just living in it, Lou. So she's like, yeah, well, we're disconnected. And, you know, I love you, Sonia Rita. And our history is deep and thick. You're like family to me. You're like family.

36:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we're like family where you're the nutbag and I'm the hot one from French Canada. You know what I'm saying?

36:29Ronnie Karam: You know, but, you know, like, listen, just, you know, just don't forget it. I don't want to have to go gangstery. So wait, you're still telling me that Kelly attacked Dorinda? I don't believe it. Now she's off on her own. She's off on another circle, you know? So now we go to the day of Dorinda's luncheon. Oh, guys. You know what, guys? You know what I thought would be... Oh, no. This is the day of the luncheon. But wait, aren't they going to do the sipping thing first? We're going to go shopping first. They're going to do the shopping thing first.

36:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we're going to go shopping. Yeah, sorry. You know what? I don't get hurt easily. I'm known for famously not being sensitive. And things just roll off my back. But Kelly, trust the line. And now I've got to say this. I say, you know what? Like this fun day, you know, and I've got this wacky story now. I go to this. I go to this shopping with heavy heart. So Kelly is like, you know, Dorinda invited me to go to the store. And like when she was at the house, but like now it's like a little tricky because like Dorinda's like really shell shocked. She shocked me. Like I'm a shell that got stuck with electricity and my shell just got shocked.

37:28Ben Mandelker: And I'm like, it's just like, but I'm a diffuser. And so I'm going to diffuse the situation right away. That's what everyone remembers me. everyone remembers scary island for how i defused that situation with bethany just so oh yeah yeah

37:37Ronnie Karam: yeah so uh sonya and kelly are talking and kelly's like oh my god like my add is like going like cuckoo it's like cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo like this place is crazy like what is this place and sony's like whoa speaking of add luann came over yesterday i mean wow she was really all over the place

37:54Ben Mandelker: luann was so toxic just immediately throws luann and like sonya was like really mad that luann moved to that vase. And so Sonia's like, do I feel badly for Kelly? Yeah, I've been there. And honestly, it's better it's her than me right now. You know, I already went through this recently. I can't handle it. I don't want to have the constitution for it.

38:15Ronnie Karam: By the way, I heard that you attacked Orinda and she was crying. And I'm like, well, that's refreshing because that's an oxymoron. And Kelly goes, um, that is so me. Like, is this Greek tragedy? I've read it. Been there.

38:29Ben Mandelker: I've read it. Oh my god, is it media media so oh my god i love tyler perry so then kelly is saying like well dorinda said something about something and i said please don't talk about the deceased you know i do not like

38:45Ronnie Karam: the deceased it's so funny that she still just thinks that's a completely normal thing to say to someone and uh it's like what yeah i mean i said it's like crazy uh she's like well they said you brought up Richard? I mean, Dorinda's the one who brings up Richard. Why are they blaming you? She's like, I mean, I don't even know who Richard is. Like, that's crazy. Like, who is this person? Like, I don't know dead people. Why would I bring up dead people?

39:12Ben Mandelker: So now the ladies all say hello to each other and they all gather.

39:16Ronnie Karam: Kelly?

39:16Ben Mandelker: Saying, I don't even know who that person is. I can't. She's

39:21Ronnie Karam: Kelly. She's so fucking she's such a loony tune.

39:25Ben Mandelker: So then Dorinda and Kelly sit down and Dorinda's like, okay, I want to do this and then never speak of it again, okay? Because we were having such a great time connecting at the stash, my favorite nut with my favorite nut. And it was so fun for a moment. But then this happened and it was so deeply personal to say things like, you know, that I'm, you know, just disrespectful about my dead ex who, first of all, not my ex. How dare you say that at the stash?

39:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know what I meant to say is like, I don't like talking about exes who are ex alive. And if that hurt you in any kind of a way, I'm so sorry. You're an icon.

40:05Ben Mandelker: I think that maybe you went into a trance. Dorinda says, I think that maybe you went into a trance.

40:10Ronnie Karam: She said you were drinking, so you went into a trance, which coming from Dorinda, LOL.

40:16Ben Mandelker: Kelly's like, I'm your biggest fan. I take what you do, and I take it really to heart. I'm a huge, huge fan. I've got your poster up on my wall, and I'm just like, this is a woman who knows which crows are alive, which crows are dead. This means a lot to me. it really hurt me it hurt me what you did kelly it really hurt me it's like oh my god i'm so sorry

40:34Ronnie Karam: you know who wouldn't feel pain like this a dead person because they're dead can we not talk about i don't like to talk about that you can literally poke them with a needle they won't do anything i mean it's like i'm like please don't talk i just can i just say i'm obsessed with you and i've told

40:48Ben Mandelker: everyone except the dead people because we don't talk about them and i was like literally crying my eyes out like like what happened like what happened well i think we just have to take a minute to work it out and by a minute as soon as this show's done recording i'm never talking to you again he said well i'm really sorry i love you and like i feel like this was like a breakup and i just feel like i should have just like done this to like my ex like maybe we he would have come back like i don't know something like that yeah like i've never been in love so like maybe

41:15Ronnie Karam: that's like why i don't get what dorinda's talking about like maybe i'm jealous or something like i I don't know. Like, I just don't get it. But I'll tell you this. Like, Dorinda's, like, deep. Like, there's a lot going on under that lady dye hair. Under that lady dye hair.

41:33Ben Mandelker: Okay, Sonia Rita. I guess we're sitting off here to the side while they deal with their deceased conversation. So, who are you dating right now? I guess we could have talked about this when I was at your dusty apartment, but we'll talk about it here.

41:44Ronnie Karam: Well, I know who you're dating, Lou. Of course I know who you're dating.

41:50Ben Mandelker: Well, yes, of course. The hottest guy in this friend group. That's for sure. And by the way, why'd you put your hand down his pants? Like, what was that all about?

41:59Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, you know, and I was thinking, I mean, putting my hands down his pants, what if his wife sees me? What if his kid sees me? That would be even worse than you seeing me.

42:09Ben Mandelker: What wife are you even talking about? He's not married. He's divorced. Like you are.

42:13Ronnie Karam: Oh, I thought he was married. Oh, wow. Oh, if he got divorced, that was fast. I mean, oh, so basically no money. Because if he had money, that would take six years at least.

42:23Ben Mandelker: Really? We're going there now. I mean, I thought we had made a connection again. And I just saw her. I had to check myself into the ER afterwards for having acute respiratory reactions to the dust on her pillow. And here she goes back below the belt. She doesn't get below the belt the first time. She goes below the second time and the third time. She just loves going below the belt. To be fair, she can't stand up because she's so drunk.

42:46Ronnie Karam: Wow. Well, you could probably date half the dishes in here because they're all broke as well. Right? It's like a used place. So good for you, Luann. I love that you don't care about men with money in it. So that doesn't matter, Sonia. All right. Because I've got money and this is America. And when you're married in America, it's 50-50 on money. And that's just the way it goes, Sonia. So I don't really care.

43:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but 50-50 of nothing is still nothing. And I never heard of anyone get divorced that fast. Even you. I mean, you were the best divorcee ever. That was so fast. That was a faster divorce than a marriage. I mean, that was impressive. You know, burning bright, then burning out fast. Wow, it was crazy. Remember, he was the love of your life, although he was the love of my life first. But then he became the love of your life, which is so funny because that really makes me wonder if he really was the love of your life if he loved me first. Anyway, I mean, you were the most reasonable, and your divorce took a hot second.

43:34Ben Mandelker: And gosh, I just can't imagine how Michael could have a divorce that fast if he had money.

43:39Ronnie Karam: You know, Sonia is off the rails. I don't remember Sonia being this mean before. And by the way, it's not like anybody else is nicer. They all take turns, especially on this show. But I don't remember her being such an asshole.

43:55Ben Mandelker: She's honestly quite mean this season in a way that I don't find enjoyable. And I agree. I think that maybe she's had too much time alone and she's been sitting there stewing. and maybe the act of like filming for several months over the course of the year has allowed her to just sort of process things or ignore things but i think her stewing in her in the downfall of her life and and also morgan died like i don't know it's done something to her

44:25Ronnie Karam: yeah um so louis it's like well i mean listen my guy's got a home in east hampton i mean wait why i'm explaining myself to you it's like i'm not gonna do this i'm not gonna do this you're on the wrong side of the freeway which is the nice side is east hampton the nice side we should know from this show hampton is nice east hampton is nice west hampton west hampton is the one that's not nice she has a house in the hamptons but it's the wrong side of the hamptons i'm sorry it's the wrong side of the freeways it's the bethany house it's the wrong side bethany's

44:53Ben Mandelker: on the freeway okay she's not in south hampton which is where i am anyway um now the ladies are all sitting and chatting and luann's back to like all right sonia i guess we'll give you the prompt a second time, who are you dating? And so Sonia's like, oh, there's three guys that I'm dating. There's one I'm sleeping with. There's one that I really like. We went on a third date and I slept with him. And my mom was like, oh my god, you never do it. But I did it anyway. Okay, well, I need to have sex right away. And Dorinda's like, yeah, we should bump on you. I had sex with Michael. Well, I knew you were going to bring that up.

45:26Ben Mandelker: The sex bump I got. Take a look at it. No, sex bump sounds wrong. This is a real head injury, not a sex bump like the way you're thinking about it.

45:34Ronnie Karam: I was getting a doggy style. Oh, my. All right. And she tells Sonia she looks better today, which is my side swipe. Drina's like, oh, yes. Sonia looks great today. Well, I had to put a little deodorant on, girls, but I did it. Well, finally, we got Sonia Rita back. Well, look at us just shopping and having fun. And Luanne's like, well, I think, you know, Sonia can be jealous of relationships. It seems like she might just be a little bit jealous today. you know because now she's dicking at all of us and acting like a huge victim so yeah because

46:09Ben Mandelker: basically like luann's like why don't you come to this hat party and sonia's just being like hat people oh so luann's so sonia's like well i really trust you when you pull those daggers out you know you're always you guys are always putting the daggers out of me it's like well you pulled your daggers out do you know what you did you were a dick when i first got here do you know what you You said, oh, you're married, boyfriend. I said I was embarrassed dancing in front of him, this poor man, literally a poor man who didn't have a penny to give the woman that he divorced from.

46:38Ronnie Karam: I could have been dancing like that in front of his wife. That would have been terrible. Oh, my God. I don't want to start this from a mill because people will actually believe that. All right? I mean, what if his wife hears? And Sonia's like, well, you know what? It was flippant. It was just flippantly bringing up that he's married and Luann's a harlot. and a husband stealer.

46:59Ben Mandelker: You know, you're really rude. Well, I thought he was still divorcing. You know, there has to be an acknowledgement with friends when you hurt their feelings, and Luanne just wants Sonia to respect her and not treat her like a buffoonery.

47:11Ronnie Karam: It's buffoonery, is what it is. And I'll tell you the same thing I told that crow.

47:16Ben Mandelker: Come back to me.

47:18Ronnie Karam: Come back to me, crow.

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48:45Ronnie Karam: I give it one week before Ben's arranging those samples like a reunion seating chart. That's what I say. So Sonia goes to meet Ramona Who's back in town Whoa, we're crazy I've got a purse that's shaped like a flower made out of straws There, I said it

49:02Ben Mandelker: Wow, feels good to be back here In the sunshine That's why I have plates that are yellow Because they remind me of sunshine So Sonia's like Oh wow, so here's what you missed Luann came to my apartment Finally, I never see her You know, and then she was like We're hanging out with Kelly and Dorinda And then she tells me, oh, you know, Kelly, she really ripped Dorinda and made her cry. And I was like, well, that's refreshing. It's like, oh, you know what? I don't believe that. Also, by the way, hilarious that Sonia finds any of that refreshing. You know what?

49:32Ronnie Karam: Someone made Dorinda cry for a change. So funny. Right. Like, oh, wow. Dorinda's the victim of somebody yelling? Wow, that's refreshing.

49:41Ben Mandelker: Whoa. Kelly's, like, gentle. She's like a gentle flower. A flower. A crazy flower. Do you ever see? It's like imagine watching Little Shop of Horrors, except the plant doesn't eat humans. The plant just sits there and talks about Al Sharpton. Could you imagine a musical based on a plant that knows Al Sharpton?

49:58Ronnie Karam: It's like Little Shop of Horrors, but it doesn't even have an act too, because the plant's too stupid to eat people.

50:04Ben Mandelker: You know what I mean? Well, next thing I know, I go to a thrift shop, and I said to Luann, I was like, I know it's embarrassing that I danced with Michael, a married man who's poor. and I said to her, I'm sorry because I know you met him when he was married and next thing you know, when she saw him that he was separating and she said that and so I said it was the fastest divorce I ever set in history. She was just really annoyed

50:24Ronnie Karam: I said, wow, he must have been poor and Ramona's like, okay Sonia, I love and enjoy you but why would you say that somebody's poor? You don't do that unless there's somebody that you don't know in a store that wasn't invited to the store okay?

50:41Ben Mandelker: Ramona basically is has taken the role of Sonia's mother. And she's like, no, don't do that. It's not your business, okay? It's not your business. It's your friendship with Luanne. Okay, keep it special and beautiful. That's wool.

50:54Ronnie Karam: So Ramona, I think, calls correctly. She's like, oh, Sonia's jealous because now Dorinda and Luanne live in the same building. And so they're right down the hall from each other. And now they're best friends. And Sonia's getting pissed off. And she's like, wait, so you think that Dorinda tells Luanne what to say? She's like, yeah, that's what she's doing. Luanne's only coming at me because of Dorinda, and Dorinda's starting this all. You know, I mean, I'm happy they're close, but it's disgusting. And now I have to go to Dorinda's stupid party? Like, I want to be at home naked gardening.

51:28Ben Mandelker: I love how, like, Sonia's take is that, like, yeah, Luanne only comes at me because Dorinda tells her to after Sonia just said that Michael was still married and has no money to his name.

51:39Ronnie Karam: No one is coming for you. Oh my god, it's over and over again You're coming for everybody It's so weird And so Ramona's like, okay, you know what? You gave me the weather report Now I know the weather Okay, it's cloudy with a chance of Sonia's crazy balls That's it

51:56Ben Mandelker: Well, I would say it's clear skies But you know, you gotta put on your seatbelt Otherwise you might get up and fuck the pilot You know what I'm saying? So then Dorinda's

52:05Ronnie Karam: And if he's married, if he's Luann It'll be a married pilot

52:10Ben Mandelker: You know, I once banged Sully Yeah, Sully Sullenberger You know, the only reason why he knew how to land on that river Is because he landed on me once So then we go to Dorinda Hey guys, everyone It's the day of the luncheon, the hat luncheon Where all the who's who Of all six of us are going to get together Plus Jules

52:30Ronnie Karam: Plus Jules Weinstein You know, we haven't seen her for a while But I'm going to tell you this If you see Jules Weinstein in 2016 2016 of 2026. She's going to say the same thing. Dorinda, these are amazing placements. The way you can find Jules,

52:49Ben Mandelker: you just walk down the street and wait for someone to say, a Jew and an Asian walk into a bar, and then they had me. So her famous tagline, one of the weirdest taglines of all. So Dorinda is talking about, Jules is going to be at this lunch. She's very excited about this lunch. And Sonia's talking about how she just really does not want to go. She does not want to go to a hat party. So then Dorinda's saying, like, I love a theme. By the way, you know, by the time the party happens, you should see no chaos whatsoever. That's it. Me, Dorinda Medley, never the person who has chaos at her parties.

53:26Ronnie Karam: And they've got hats everywhere. They've decorated this whole place with crazy hats. And so everybody has to come in and put on a crazy hat. Okay. You know what? Dorinda, I have to say. this decor for your party is so Palm Beach like I mean it's got colors it's got flowers it's got dishes I mean it's like really off the charts wonderful I mean wow make America bright dishes again am I right? so good whoa

53:54Ben Mandelker: what's that on the table? that's disgusting oh that's the dead crow I had it shipped down here so we could give it last last rites by the way Ramona is dressed like a crow she is wearing all black despite the fact that she made an edict in the first episode that no one wears black in Palm Beach, okay?

54:13Ronnie Karam: Jules comes, and she's very excited. And Kelly comes. She's like, I am so excited to nurture my friendship with Dorinda. This is going to be, like, crazy. I just, like, I hope the hats aren't dead. I just need, like, I just want a live hat. This is going to be, like, I just don't. Sorry.

54:34Ben Mandelker: I just, I don't want to talk about a deceased hat. I don't want to know who the haberdasher was because if they're deceased, I just don't want to talk about it.

54:40Ronnie Karam: All right. Well, I'm here now. I bought my own hat. So what about that? I'm just going to wear my hat. You might have recognized this on posters all across Florida one time.

54:48Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, everyone, I'm sorry I was late. I was steaming and I didn't take off my pants. That's right. Michael was doing me with the pants on. You try to figure that out. The point is I've got a firebush right now. So then they're like, okay. and Dorinda, meanwhile, so Luanne was 15 minutes late. Not great. It's not great to be 15 minutes late. Sonia shows up. She's 25 minutes late. Again, it's not good. I don't personally like when people are late, but I also feel like for a casual luncheon, when you get to a luncheon, there's got to be a certain level like you're not sitting down and eating right away, right?

55:23Ben Mandelker: Isn't there like some chit-chat or whatever?

55:25Ronnie Karam: Well, that's nothing for Sonia or Luanne, actually. That is pretty on time for those two. I mean, this is only episode four, and we've already had how many fights about people being multiple hours late.

55:37Ben Mandelker: So I think that Dorinda, she's mad at Sonya, and she's not going to even – she's going to find a way – because that's what you do when you're mad at someone. You're going to find a way to be annoyed at them, right? Yeah.

55:48Ronnie Karam: My mother taught me to be on time. And that's it. And that's just the way it goes. So I don't accept this. So now they all sit down, and Sonya finally arrives. They're like serving themselves from a buffet. So Sonia arrives while they're serving. It's like cold salmon, by the way. It's like salad salmon. And Dorinda's like, we got to eat. We got to eat right now. I mean, it's been 25 minutes. The salmon could get up and walk out of here.

56:15Ben Mandelker: And Sonia comes in. They're all still milling about. Sonia doesn't, she didn't really miss anything significant, right? And so Sonia walks in and Dorinda's like, oh, she arrives. We started because I wasn't sure. Okay, what's this outfit all about? and sony goes you know what i just and i asked someone what the theme was today and they said i think dresses i didn't get the memo and she just walks she just walks right by dorinda she's also not wearing anything that looks that matches the the look of her in a jumpsuit she's like i heard that the theme was dresses she's in a jumpsuit but i didn't get the memo so she's being passive aggressive too like i feel i almost i felt bad for sonya at first because dorinda was being like oh she's 25 minutes late we gotta start and she's she's coming in hot for sonia but sonia comes in also being an asshole yeah i mean they're both ridiculous and we all knew that they were gonna

57:06Ronnie Karam: have a huge fight but like let it i don't know have some salmon first you don't need to blow your wad in the first two seconds it's like geez oh really you're not gonna say hi son she just kissed you on the way in no and she's just doing the sonia normal like whoa everybody it's sonia here isn't this crazy we're at dinner i don't know what we're supposed to be wearing this isn't just being completely as i've said 20 times manic and cycle cycling through the same thing over and

57:33Ben Mandelker: over but she's being rude too because she she does sort of gloss by dorinda she glosses by dorinda and goes i think she goes starts talking to jules gives her a big hug she we see that she's saying hello to everyone else in a warm way but ignoring dorinda and so dorinda's picking up on that and she's getting aggravated and uh she's not happy about it yeah um but i mean like we're

57:56Ronnie Karam: talking about manners i mean dorinda is also the hostess so she's immediately like really so she's starting i mean it's this show so what do we expect i guess but uh sonia's like well i'm not gonna kiss the ring just because you're getting hats from wimbledon doesn't make you the queen mother

58:17Ben Mandelker: well you were 20 minutes late which is rude you were 20 minutes late oh god if you can start with that I mean what time is it now 12.35 well when you're done talking I'll say something go ahead go ahead I just want to say it's not kind to talk about the deceased if that's what we're talking about we can't talk about this crow sitting in the middle of the table we cannot talk about it when did

58:36Ronnie Karam: our life become a mine field everybody like when oh my god you know what Like, she's shown up at 45 minutes late. You don't kick out Luann. Why are you kicking her out? And Dorinda's like, go, Sonia. Sonia's got to go. This cold salmon will not wait. You have been rude to the salmon. Get out of my home.

58:57Ben Mandelker: You know what? Already, Dorinda, you're having fights with the left and right. You have to learn to let things go, okay? Let things go. Otherwise, it gets huge and bigger and just not good energy, okay? It's like what Avery said to her skincare. Just got to let go, okay? When did I get so calm? I don't even know.

59:17Ronnie Karam: You know what? It's like Avery said to me the other day, Mom, crow's feet, crow's feet, crow's feet, crow's feet, crow's feet. Non-moisturized, non-moisturized crow's feet. How dare you bring up the crow?

59:33Ronnie Karam: Sonia's like, oh, God. I mean, what do I have to tiptoe around and now you're blowing up my head? Yeah, but you know what, Sonia? It's rude. Rude? Well, I live here I live in Palm Beach So I know man is in Palm Beach And also, I work Well, I work too Haven't you heard? I gotta go do my radio show That's called work

59:57Ben Mandelker: Oh, so there's a competition Oh, are we really friends? And then Sonia pretends to, like, do a vape And so then She's like, no, you try to be nice You look like you're nice, but honey, you're not You're actually, you're not, you're not a nice You probably killed that crow on the table. Okay, you know what? I've had enough. Don't talk about that crow. Okay, Antigone was a beautiful crow. Okay, and I have to say, okay, everyone, let's raise a glass. Let's raise a glass. Okay, so you have to say, okay, you know I have to say, Luanne, you're actually her puppet. What? I'm her puppet? Luanne who doesn't see that is just like, okay, shut up right now.

1:00:32Ben Mandelker: She's like, how dare you say that I am a puppet?

1:00:36Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah, Luanne, you're the puppet. Let me speak to the hand, Luanne. Oh, really? You know what? I can't take this anymore. This is hideous. I gotta go. Production, get her out of my home. I will not shoot anymore. And she goes upstairs to the room. She's like, I will not shoot with Sonya Morgan. I can't believe she just said that about Crows.

1:00:57Ben Mandelker: And Sonya's like, oh, Dorinda's up there saying I can't do this. Oh, I'm gonna cry. Oh, I'm gonna cry. Because Sonya Morgan and Kelly Benson would have been mean to me. I mean, seriously. Who takes themselves so seriously?

1:01:09Ronnie Karam: Well, you know what? She's slashing out. There's something wrong there. And Sonya's like throwing a hat. She's like, I'm out of here. Goodbye, Dorinda. And the production, our little, our friend Nadine has to step in. Nadine's like, okay, we're going to get her out of here. We will be getting her out of here right now.

1:01:27Ben Mandelker: We need to do a wellness check on Nadine. I wonder what her stress level is like. Seriously. We need to send her like a spa day. I don't even know how she worked on this show. I don't either.

1:01:37Ronnie Karam: But my gosh. She's worked on a lot of crazy things, but this one I think would take the cake. Talk about that. And she's one of the sweetest, most patient people. I know.

1:01:50Ben Mandelker: But she can also, I feel like she can get shit done. I don't know how, but I don't know. This feels like, I don't know. And also, you know what's funny? I saw that my friend Paul is also a producer on the show, and he's like the loveliest guy. I just feel like these lovely people just are getting run over by this unstoppable train. My God. It's nonstop.

1:02:15Ronnie Karam: They never get a break. My God. All right. Well, that brings us to the end of The Golden Live. Thanks so much for being here. And it's great being in Texas, eh? And we'll see you tonight in Dallas and tomorrow in Austin. Get your tickets at watchwhatcrappens.com. Okay? That's it. You look old, I look young. You look cool, I look young.

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