#2906 RHOA S16E17: The GodPhae-ther

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2:18Ronnie Karam: Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens? Well, hello, and welcome to What What Crappens. I'm Ronnie, and that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? So good.

2:34Ben Mandelker: How are you doing today, buddy? I'm great. back in my childhood bedroom, made a quick whirlwind trip to New York to honor my mom on her retirement. She had a retirement party. But now I'm here in my childhood bedroom. And conveniently, I don't know why my dad did this, but he pulled out all some Knicks memorabilia that I had. And so in honor of Charles Oakley, the Oak, look, here's a Knicks shirt I used to have. See, can you see it on camera? This is a Crappens On Demand exclusive is me holding up a Knicks shirt just to prove that i used to really love the knicks i mean i still love the next but i used to be really into the knicks when i was a kid well i love charles better i believed you

3:13Ronnie Karam: thank you i'm like the internet that was like ben's a liar ben never liked the knicks he liked arts and crafts yeah um well everybody welcome to real housewives of atlanta season finale day. Don't worry. There's a three-episode reunion coming up.

3:34Ben Mandelker: Is it really three episodes? They don't have three episodes of content. They announced on the end

3:38Ronnie Karam: at this three-part reunion. What bullshit are you going to try and fill my life with on these last three episodes? You're testing me, show. You're testing me.

3:47Ben Mandelker: Two episodes fair, but three, I mean, look, and I like the season, but you're missing, you don't even have Britt Eadie there. Thankfully, I'd like to add, I'm okay with not having Britt Eadie there, but that's also us some content like what do you guys how do you get three episodes out of this thing yeah um but

4:03Ronnie Karam: that's what they're gonna do um meanwhile go catch our love island recaps over on a path we all we just did a nice long hour long one i think um we're doing those monday tuesday wednesday next week will be a little different we're still going to do a couple of days but it will be later in the week due to the holiday okay yeah that's it a few days off okay it's a holiday it's a whole holiday independence day okay yeah um yeah so that's for uh everything coming up thanks for everybody's support on patreon we love doing those recaps also this week we are adding in mcbee dynasty to the lineup at least for a week to see to see how that goes uh what a trashy

4:41Ben Mandelker: show that is i loved it yeah that's garbage yes it is garbage um i yeah but it comes out I thought it premiered last night, but it premieres tonight. But we both have watched it, and we both will probably have a lot of things to say. Look, as long as we can – if we find the way into the comedy, then that's all that matters to me. It could be a big pile of poop as much as it wants to be. But as long as it's funny for us to do, that's all.

5:09Ronnie Karam: Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean garbage in a good way. I watched the whole first season leading up to this. and um i figure if i can watch 10 hours of love island a week i can watch 10 hours of mcbee dynasty for a week and it is of hate hate farm what instead of love island hate farm yeah because they hate each other i loved it i mean it's just it's garbage and it's my favorite kind of garbage and the women on it are so fucking funny they've got galena the russian money launderer. It's like going absolutely fucking nuts. It's so good. So watch it if you haven't. We'll be back. We'll be here for at least one recap this week.

5:47Ronnie Karam: And then also Real Housewives of Orange County returns in like 10 days. 11 days. Something crazy.

5:54Ben Mandelker: It's crazy. I heard it's a crazy one. I heard it's a crazy, crazy season. Looking forward to it. And also, by the way, I just want to say something. This is a public service announcement. Everyone this week, you have one job and one job only. And that's to watch Real Housewives of Miami. Because I don't like hearing stories that its ratings are low. I don't like hearing that because it is one of the best Housewives on... Well, it is the best Housewives that's currently airing for sure. And it is one of the best that's in the quiver. So everyone, if you don't watch Miami, do yourself a favor. I'm not asking...

6:29Ben Mandelker: You're not doing the show a favor. You're doing yourself a favor by watching Miami because it is so good.

6:34Ronnie Karam: And you should... Yeah, stop hurting yourself by sitting out.

6:36Ben Mandelker: yourself okay yeah don't sit out get in there get in the game now do they have people throwing

6:42Ronnie Karam: themselves their own beyonce concert with you know they're married by me i don't know no probably not but um it's still worth it 100 okay so let's get back to this one real housewives of atlanta season 16 episode 17 game over so we're gonna tie up a whole bunch of loose ends so pretty much the

7:05Ben Mandelker: first half of this episode is like lots of little vignettes of what's going on in people's lives. So we start off with Portia and Lauren who are their cousin Londi just died last week on the show and so they're obviously very emotional so we're seeing them they're sort of gathering, they're going to be gathering people to remember her, etc. So they go to Phaedra

7:29Ronnie Karam: you know, because that's where you go. And as Phaedra says, she's like, well, Portia and her family have asked me to assist with the home going for Londi because everyone knows I'm definitely the chairman of the Usher Board for Heaven. I love that Phaedra just takes such pleasure in it. She's like, I'm so sad that Londi's not living, but I'm so glad that she's passed. Let's talk turkey. What kind of casket would you like? 20, 30, 40 ,000? Come on, it's for Londi.

8:03Ben Mandelker: yeah so they are all sort of talking and remembering uh londy and everything it turns out that like londy she passed away while she was on the phone with lauren which is that's i feel bad for lauren that's got to be a lot that she carries with her about that you know that's just so traumatic but um they're just remembering londy and it's like sad but it's

8:24Ronnie Karam: yeah um so they're gonna have a memorial and stuff and um then when portia's like i thought this was going to be my year i guess it wasn't you know because she got divorced and then all this stuff had happened and then londy happened um but now they're talking about a mango dish so that's good so then we go over just goes the show life goes on oh the next scene though like i can't believe this wasn't my year and this happened this happened and londy by the way

8:51Ben Mandelker: what's this mango dish so now we go to angela and she meets up with her therapist dr wendy and i have to say it's about time we finally saw a real therapist on one of these shows because we see all these people who are so excited to be on tv they're very slick they're very tv ready with their catchphrases and everything um they have their hair blown out dr wendy i was like this is a therapist she has all these like trinkets all throughout she's like dream catchers in her office long gray hair this very like empathetic face you know you know she like listens to like yanni and does like weird tantric sex on the side i was like this this is a therapist i think she

9:34Ronnie Karam: has the face of somebody who is about to have to drive for half an hour and they're looking on google maps and seeing that it's like an hour and 15 that's her face she's like one eye is kind of closed and the other it's open she's like what the fuck that's her face she's like what the fuck are you saying to me right now angela all right did you want that she's got this she's got an on his face because i feel like in therapy you know therapists are supposed to maintain like a a blank face like i'm not judging you i'm not reacting i've heard it all you know but not her she's like what the hell come on angela and i like that that that look of confusion on a therapist's

10:11Ben Mandelker: face yeah i feel like she was like an elderly gene triple horn so i appreciate that as well and i think that i also just think it's funny because like she's just this like this hippie lady and i just think it's so funny that like she sees charles oakley and that she's been seeing charles oakley for years like you would think this would be the sort of lady that charles oakley be like i'm not talking to this crazy lady but like no she's been seeing charles and and and angela for like eight years now or something like that yeah so it's not some fake relationship which i

10:45Ronnie Karam: like so angela's like you know we go to wendy for all these years because i need advice on how to deal with my husband and all that comes with him because you know he's handsome he's famous he has money he's successful any one of those things would attract women and i just love that her list doesn't include kind treats me well you know he's like the perfect husband who wouldn't be jealous he's just like he's rich and famous okay and so i need to learn how to deal with that

11:12Ben Mandelker: so dr wendy's like so tell me what's happening beyond bongo lessons that's me actually you may notice there's a bongo in the background okay i'm just taking learning some beats tell me angela what's going on well i mean you know i have all my money in these houses and you know i'm about to ditch all of them okay you're gonna ditch them emotionally or physically she's like physically yeah financially all the above i can't i can't really can i can't have any of them so she's like wow wow that's too much would you like to would you like to play the bongo that might help you no thanks it's just just don't distrust these houses caught your

11:48Ronnie Karam: dream caught your dream all right let me look at your god damn it your dream's depressing well I'm not gonna go to sleep anytime soon all right let's work on this real estate real estate so what are we gonna do with this and she's like I'm fucked I'm taking money from Charles and he's over it you know and she's like and I trust Charles and it took me a long time to trust Charles you know and she goes well yeah because you shouldn't have trusted Charles as well I know he deserved it but you know now now I've talked myself into trusting charles again really for no reason and um uh i should have listened when he told me it was a bad idea and she's like you know the other day charles and i went we went to

12:26Ben Mandelker: a cooking event and while charles was cooking a gentleman walked up to me and said i want to tell you something about your husband and then he said this is also my instagram account and here's my twitter account and then he started doing a dance for the cameras and find all the producers said okay you're doing too much we didn't pay for all this stuff so then he says hey here's a toast to angela whose husband's cheating on her and afterwards i was like i told charles what happened and he's like oh whatever they're saying is a lie someone put him there okay

12:56Ronnie Karam: you know how much i love you right that's never going to change but right now you doing this scene all i see is austin from love island in therapy yeah sorry i like my my angela voice is in a

13:07Ben Mandelker: weird plays today.

13:09Ronnie Karam: You're going Austin from it. You're like, you know what? It's been really difficult.

13:14Ben Mandelker: We were just trying to make waffles. I was just trying to make waffles at Williams-Sonoma. And a guy walked home. Oh, my God.

13:33Ronnie Karam: So, basically, Charles was like, okay, I'm not even going to talk about this. You trust me, right? And so Wendy, I think Wendy handles this one pretty good. She goes, wow, so what's your theory? Because basically Charles has cheated multiple times from what we're getting from this therapy, right? Is that Angela didn't trust Charles for a reason because Charles was always cheating on her. And so now she's finally talked herself into trusting Charles again, but now someone's making public accusations of cheating and Dr. Wendy's just like, okay, dum-dum, what's your theory? Why is this guy randomly coming up?

14:06Ronnie Karam: And she says, well, my theory is that Charles and I have been through a lot. That's not a theory. Okay. First of all. So she goes, but I trust him now. And, um, so, uh, she's, you know, she, she doesn't want anyone to think that Charles is an easy target. So she's going to stand up for him.

14:25Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And so Dr. Wendy's like, I mean, you know, he said he wakes up at night, haven't been targeted. I mean, I'm going to get, he says, I'm going to get attacked. Right. I'm going to get attacked. She's like, well, Wendy, no, I'm doing awesome voice. I can't get out of it. Wendy, Wendy, I don't want to go there. And she's like, I know, I know. This is a confused place for you, honey. I know that. But, you know, just speak it to the bongo. It's like, well, after Kelly's event, Charles and I, we were both confused as to why someone would approach me and lose all the properties. And I'm clinging on to my family and they've been my support.

15:00Ben Mandelker: And why would someone, well, who would send someone to hurt me and potentially destroy my marriage?

15:06Ronnie Karam: So she's like, well, you have to address it. Right. And she goes, but I've just got so much going on with real estate. She goes, yeah, but you have to address this. Like therapy isn't for real estate. Okay. It's for your relationship. So she says that she's tired of her relationship being a target. And she's like, okay, but you also need to do it because you want to make a statement about you. you know so what's the statement you want to make and she goes my statement is leave me the fuck alone so what will her statement be i don't know but i hope we can have a gala to deliver it

15:41Ben Mandelker: yes speaking of gala events let's go see a musical gala as in shamia throwing a concert for herself the most exciting thing you could ever imagine you know so she says she's doing a showcase i

15:56Ronnie Karam: I mean, I don't know. I've been to a lot of showcases living in Los Angeles and they're usually in like some little black box theater. And you know, you get up there and you play a few songs and then you, you serve some two buck Chuck from the Trader Joe's. I've never seen anything like this. This was, this was a lot. I mean, basically to me, this was showcasing that you married an extremely rich person who's giving you money to do whatever the fuck you want. And I think in this kind of situation, that doesn't matter. Like you want to, you want to show that you're talented. You know what I mean?

16:25Ronnie Karam: Get up there and sing a song, Shamia. You don't need 20 fucking outfits and$20 million to do it. It makes it look worse.

16:33Ben Mandelker: It's just like, I feel like she's trying to do like the pop star thing. But like, so she's doing all the, all the outfit changes and everything. But I'm like, I still feel like she's, it's still like going from like one matronly look to another matronly look. And I just feel like if you're trying to do pop, I'm sorry. that pop is the most ageist genre of all. And like, at least try, at least try not to look so matronly. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she's not matronly. Maybe like my matronly Dara's off. But I'm just like, I don't know. I feel like she could -

17:06Ronnie Karam: Well, matronly for a pop star, because you are a certain age and there is ageism. And I think that the ageist stuff is real. And I think that there's no competing with that. You know, like when you're young and you're like, you know, like when you're a Sabrina Carpenter and you're like rolling around on the ground or whatever, you can't sing like this. And everyone's like, that's great. But when you get older to stay in the business, you have to actually kind of sing. You know what I mean? So I think she should just pick up the mantle from that place and be like, and still look great, still look fabulous.

17:37Ronnie Karam: I'm not saying like come out in the bathrobe, but she should concentrate more on the singing and less of the like trying to do 20 outfit changes because she's missing notes all over the place. So you need to stand there and just concentrate and sing your notes.

17:50Ben Mandelker: I think it's that she's trying to do all these edgy looks, but she still has this kind of like, Aunt Shamia's come over for lunch kind of hair. That's her little bob. I don't know. I just feel like there's a disconnect between how she styles herself and then also the clothing that she's wearing. I don't know. But I'm like, this is just not working for me. I'm sorry. Just in terms of what she's trying to achieve. so uh she comes out and she's she's gonna do this whole thing and it's also kind of sad because you can see there's like not a lot of people there like it's like blade like the like just massive amounts of empty seats in the background you can see that they moved the audience like over in the theater to fill up the seats that way it looked more fill full for the camera they have to do tight shots than everyone and i was like oh like i want i want shimia to win and i felt like oh i don't know i didn't feel like this was a strong moment it was making a

18:44Ronnie Karam: A lot of wrong turns. Okay. Yeah. So people come, she does this big show. She keeps changing outfits and missing notes and stuff. And, um, she, you know, she's doing things where it's kind of like the, have you ever seen like a Beyonce documentary? I saw one years ago where she, it was some TV kind of behind the scenes documentary for one of her concerts. And she's like, I'm in Vegas. And one thing I'll always bet on in Vegas is myself, you know? And so she was trying to kind of get that vibe. this is like this bts documentary of shamia and she has these amazing singers that do backup and she's like and so i wake up in the morning and i and then there's a long pause while she points them and then they do like the destiny's child get your t-shirt on she's like yes yes that's it you guys finally got okay you're hiring three backup singers that can out sing the fuck out of you just stand there and sing your song shamia come on man so then um everybody's seeing each other for the first time since the last confrontation and phaedra's like well it's the first time i've seen kelly and brit since they scared everybody my oh black affair so i'm hoping we can resolve this but i'm guessing that's why they're the fake freaking frack freaking frack freaking frack makes more sense but just because if you're gonna be freaking frack you can't fight

20:02Ben Mandelker: back so then kelly is of course ignoring brit and she's like you know i've showed up for brit as a friend and you know the friendship and the love just was not reciprocated i mean how many waffles do i have to make someone before she makes me a waffle in turn it just saddens me that she hasn't been there for me the same way that i've showed up for her so at this point she's just not existent to me i mean is she here so it's kelly's first rivalry and feud which is very exciting for her so she of course is ignoring uh brit they're both totally ignoring each other at this event so then

20:32Ronnie Karam: the show starts each other by doing like the like looking at each other and being like I'm ignoring you. I'm ignoring you. It's very first season Housewives fight.

20:45Ben Mandelker: And everyone in turn is ignoring them, ignoring each other. You can see they're trying to really make it a thing and everyone just does not care.

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23:22Ronnie Karam: backstage at the Grammys.

23:26Ben Mandelker: Yes. So she comes out, she sings. So she's like really, she's really rusty in the beginning. She's nervous and she's like, and then her producer's like, come on, bring them to church. Come on, you can do this. So then she comes out and then she gets behind on the piano and she starts singing and she's much better. She gets it together somewhat, but not quick enough to avoid Drew telling us, you know, I personally never had this much trouble hitting a note I'm like well can we roll the footage of Drew's big singing debut on this show when she was doing her duet with Candice Dillard where all she sang was now I know

24:05Ronnie Karam: Drew is a singer they did show her actual debut which was singing her single to Ralph at the reunion

24:10Ben Mandelker: my favorite I love when they pull out that clip because they always show her singing and it always got to Ralph just sitting there like what am I doing here

24:18Ronnie Karam: but i just get into the basement get into the basement you got cameras in my house and you go to florida i'm not dumb don't treat me like i say duh go to the basement i'm like we've never seen you hit a note on this show what are you talking about hot dog lady you sound like hot dogs steaming

24:41Ben Mandelker: uh it still is like one of my favorite things i ever did on this show was have her sing to Ralph at the reunion. It was so silly. Oh, just his look.

24:52Ronnie Karam: Drew's trying to do this like, oh my God, as the resident singer in the group, Drew, just stop. Just stop it. And it was, I don't know, mostly I find Drew funny on this show, but, you know, even though I'm kind of ragging on Shamia's performance, I didn't like Drew doing it. You know, I still feel the offensive for Shamia. Yeah, exactly.

25:09Ben Mandelker: I didn't want Drew to do it. I mean, Drew, you're releasing an album that was produced by a hot dog vendor. okay let's just not forget that right now because apparently the producers did because that storyline just went away even though it was so much of the first half and that we didn't even get an update on it but that's fine um so shamia does this whole thing it's like a this is an above and beyond as a showcase like i mean the fact that she has miss pat doing being mc the fact that she has an mc like this the fact that she's doing so many costume changes i can i can imagine two maybe three but It was like seven costume changes.

25:43Ben Mandelker: It was too much for a showcase.

25:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because that's also having people just sit there and wait for you. Exactly. That's what I was thinking. So then they start talking about the shot glasses. Well, Drew makes some shitty comments. She's like, Shamia songs? I mean, she probably needed some more rehearsals. Maybe the mic was on, but it wasn't on, if you know what I mean. It needed to be off, probably. but you're drew so it doesn't really hold any water so now we go to the after party and they're taking shots and even the shot glasses have shimmy his name written all over them you know there's money everywhere which is great you know i wish you know money sounded good on the

26:26Ben Mandelker: radio i know i was like i'm just imagining the record executive who was like well i wasn't sure whether or not to sign shimmy but then i saw the shot glass and i thought you know what this lady could sell some merch

26:37Ronnie Karam: we're hiring her so now we're talking about Angela's gala and she's like we have a goal to feed 100 ,000 children that look just like us

26:47Ben Mandelker: you don't have to tell me we've been watching Charles cooking all season I think you surpassed that goal by 500 ,000

26:54Ronnie Karam: at this point I just like the idea of children with tiny little perfect nose jobs and fans

27:00Ben Mandelker: it's like a very literal charity

27:02Ronnie Karam: it's a very feed the children with tiny noses and handheld fans who've got five houses in foreclosure, you know, and that's it.

27:13Ben Mandelker: Leave no child hungry or unfanned. Make sure they all have a teeny little child without a BBL. So they are going to cook. It's a nice foundation. It's about, you know, providing food in underserved neighborhoods. literally so she's going to be doing this thing and Drew is like let us know what you need and I'm like yeah you should really be very explicit about this because if you're not careful Britt's going to show up with another package of brawny and then that's it, that's all you're going to get from her

27:47Ronnie Karam: so Drew's going to show up with some fucking to-go boxes in her trunk

27:55Ben Mandelker: so then Drew is is asking Kelly how many followers she has, and Kelly has like 150 ,000, and Britt's like, oh, talking about fake followers, she grew 80 ,000 followers in one day. Britt, you know that you're not the one to talk about fakery, because we're about to watch you pretend to buy a private plane when you can't even buy cottage cheese for your guests at your function.

28:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and Kelly doesn't even deny it. She's just like, well, I didn't know that somebody was stalking my page. She goes, yeah, well, we were close, so I would see it, you know, because you were posting me. She's like, yeah, because you wanted to be in a competition. She goes, yeah, well, tell your followers to donate.

28:38Ben Mandelker: Kelly's like, listen, you know, if there's a certain amount, you've got to say it now because some of us don't know how much to bring. I was like, oh, I guess Kelly said the joke that I said, which is, then we see, again, like them scolding Brit for not bringing anything to charity. And Phaedra says, we don't need another debacle about who's giving what, who drives a Rolls Royce and who's carrying a Birken bag. Because in this group, honey, the girls might have it, but they might not know how to give it. So then Shamia joins and she's like, thank you. Thank you so much. And they all hug her and they're so proud of her.

29:16Ben Mandelker: And she's saying, this is what sisterhood is about. This is what it's all about. This is support. This is sisterhood. And I never even hear you yelling at each other from the stage. So thanks for not fighting over my singing.

29:28Ronnie Karam: Okay, let's fight now. So Britt, Cynthia came earlier and told me that you told Portia, you know, that I was still talking shit about her and I felt some kind of way about her. And then we see Cynthia telling her that. She's like, yeah, we met and she tattletailed. So you better take care of it. And Britt's like, well, we see the flashback to Britt saying, she showed me text messages between the two of you guys. Is that a real friend? so then we come back and Brit's like well but you have said things about her and she goes what Brit and she's wearing her sunglasses she's like what what have I said about her Brit she's like yeah you didn't feel she was a good friend amongst other things

30:09Ben Mandelker: Shmia's like girl you are so lying well you showed me your text messages and she's like I and I don't know why you feel the need to lie she's like why why would I need to lie she's like well you're lying right now and she says I've never showed Brit anything and Brit says you can deny and deny all you want because you know she does that like high lilting sort of like

30:33Ronnie Karam: you can deny all you want but you can't lie about those text messages when me and Kelly and Shamia all went out Shamia and Megan showed me all the text messages and why she doesn't like Portia and why is Portia the hater God, she's so annoying. She's really, she is so annoying. So Shamia's like, you're just jealous. And she goes, because of Portia? And she goes, no, because of Kelly. She goes, but you talk shit about Portia. And she goes, oh my God, you're just trying to drag my name. You're exhausting. I gotta go. And she's like, well, is it not true about your text? And she goes, oh, so you got, so then you take a shot and get butt naked.

31:10Ronnie Karam: So that's what you have to do. So, okay. So now you're going to shame her for being naked in the trying to make you feel better about your same child moment or whatever.

31:20Ben Mandelker: Oh, yeah. I thought, yeah, exactly. And Shamia's just like, yeah, by the way, thanks for wearing clothes tonight. Thanks for wearing clothes. And Britt's like, did you see your daughter when you got to Miami? Then Shamia's like, now you're giving Shamia the license to start saying, don't bring up my daughter. Don't bring my daughter up. I have a child. How could you?

31:45Ronnie Karam: She goes, well, you did that whole situation of Grenada crying. And she goes, keep your clothes on, Brit. She goes, yeah, and I thought you were honestly going through it. That's why I did a shot and, like, showed you my boobs. And she goes, well, don't bring up my daughter.

31:58Ben Mandelker: But the second you got to Miami, you were popping shots with Kelly. As if that's supposed to mean anything. Like, you can still, like, be wanting to go home and do shots at the same time. That's okay. So Shamila's like, well, at least I'm not popping pills. Oh, don't call me a pill popper,

32:13Ronnie Karam: because I'm not. And she's like, you are. I'm only calling what I see. Darling. And she's like, well, you were lying about what your daughter was going through. Oh, my God. So now you're accusing her of making up a sick daughter storyline? That's crazy. I know.

32:27Ben Mandelker: Well, don't bring up my daughter, Britt. You are a lady of the night. Oh, I'm a lady of the night? Wrong. I'm a lady of the night whose insurance license was suspended because of slander.

32:39Ronnie Karam: You're a streetwalker. And a pill popper. And she's like, I'm a streetwalker? because I'm a wife. Oh my God, this fight. It's not. It's like written by AI. This is a chat GPT fight. This car has run out of gas, okay? So she's basically like, you're a slut. And she's like, you're a liar about your child. And then she's like, oh really, I'm a slut? Well, you sleep around, Shimea. Shimea, you're married. And Shimea's like, well, there's always been rumors about infidelity about me since your cat was a kitten. And we know that was a long, long, long time ago.

33:15Ben Mandelker: And so they basically just sort of fight away from each other. So then now, by the way, now that we're done with that, let's see what's going on in Kelly's home. Nothing interesting. I'm sorry to say, just when you thought there might be at last something interesting happening in Kelly's house, it is not. She is waking up her twins, and they wake up. And now we go over to Drew. And Drew is sitting with Ralph. She calls up Ralph. Or I'm sorry, Ralph asks if he can come upstairs. If he can come out in the basement. So she's like, yes, you have permission to come upstairs. And then we cut away from that.

33:50Ben Mandelker: Now we go to Britt. This scene, so ridiculous. Britt and Mike are deciding to look at private planes. This reminds me of when Gretchen and Slade decided to go to a Rolls Royce dealership to pretend like they were going to buy a Rolls Royce, as if they could afford anything beyond a Mazda. So Britt's like, oh, wow, I like it. Do you think it's big enough? literally normally i would say please go to shut up mountain except she has already taken herself

34:18Ronnie Karam: there so just enjoy enjoy the views i hope this private plane is good enough for us honey britt nobody believes this i want to know how come i can't go test drive a prius without proving i have enough money in my bank account literally to the person but britt can just walk onto private

34:36Ben Mandelker: planes good brit you live in a town home where you can touch both walls with both both elbows at the same time and that you can't talk about private planes and if they're big enough for what you for what your needs are no no sorry this is all bullshit this is bullshit you're poor yeah so

34:52Ronnie Karam: then we go back to kelly's and they're still talking about bacon so i don't care so then we go over to um wait why is kelly's scene still going on because uh it's a whole thing about

35:03Ben Mandelker: the restaurant she's still not divorced doesn't want to open up the restaurant until she's divorced because that way she doesn't want her ex to have any access to it.

35:12Ronnie Karam: You know what you should do? Just not pay the rent on it. And then that'll solve everything. Because I think that's what she ended up doing. She's just like, well, I don't want my husband to get it. So I just won't pay the rent. And surely that won't affect me in any way.

35:25Ben Mandelker: Bye. Yeah, that's not working. It didn't work for Jax Taylor. It's not going to work for you. So now we go back to Drew and Ralph's. And so Ralph has been released from the basement because the kids aren't around. So he's playing the piano. He's tinkling the keys, tickling the keys. Tinkling the avarice. Tinkling the avarice. And Drew's like, you missed the piano. He's like, oh, of course I do. Well, do you have something you wanted to talk about? Because I've decided to move the piano to the second floor, so it'll be even farther away from you. Okay, well, I think one of the big questions is, how did we get here?

35:56Ben Mandelker: How did we get to this particular space? Well, I'm pretty sure you took the staircase that took you from the basement to the living room, so I think that pretty much solves that. Any other questions?

36:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we get a nice big fake and bake scene with these two where they're like, what went wrong with us? Why are we fighting all the time? It's like, I don't know. I just hope we can be there for the children. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, I hope we're there for the children. What do you mean you two? Are we pretending Precious doesn't exist? You know, Precious is at home throwing shit at her TV. Like, I've worked all year to divorce this woman. And now here you are just throwing it all away.

36:30Ben Mandelker: Truly. Yeah. No, I don't believe any of this bullshit. Okay. And I left like, how did we get here? I'm like, well, we can tell you. You just have to watch the past three seasons and we watched your relationship fall. It was broken when you guys came onto the show. It got more broken. And then we had one season where you pretended like everything was actually better than ever. And then it was actually the most broken it's ever been. That's how it got to this place. And also Todd Tucker's movie.

36:53Ronnie Karam: And also you can't give us a whole season of you guys divorcing and it being messy. And then him trying to release all this information and unsealing documents. And then the last time we see you leaving court with Precious, you're like, well, they just beat our asses in court. We need to know what happened in the divorce. Who has the kids? Who's getting the money? How much are you getting? I don't care if you're getting along. The fuck is this? What kind of ending is this? I'm getting pissed off at this show now.

37:16Ben Mandelker: So then we go to Phaedra going on a date with, is it Che or Che? How do you say his name? Chee-Chee. Oh, Chee-Chee. I remember him from Married to Medicine, but I didn't watch all that season. So I just couldn't remember. I just, I remember he was on that beach, that beach fight, the brawl on, on Married to Medicine, but, um, they go on their date because Phaedra is a last minute addition to the show. So they're just trying to like give any sort of scenes with her that they can. So they go to a winery and she's like, who would have thought a winery in Georgia? I'm like, well, I would not have thought a winery in Georgia, but it doesn't mean just because there's a winery does not mean I'm curious to see if that wine was actually any good because Georgian wine, good wine, or is it just like vinegar i'm i'm curious because you know we have like we have like uh some wineries in southern california and not the best i have to say i don't think chi chi was on married to medicine was he wasn't chi chi the one who was like it turns out he was like friends with like apollo

38:14Ronnie Karam: i don't think that was the same guy chi chi's the one she met in um a dating episode like where they were single dating but i think chi chi was a friend of apollo i mean i think there was another guy on that trip who was a friend of apollo's who she brought but i don't think it was a really tall guy okay i don't remember but um okay so uh let's see where are we now so i don't have time to google it could you tell i was googling it now i have google in my head i'm like oh my god i was reading all about chi chi and his medical supply business it's like he sounds hot okay so they go on this date and they're just like oh yeah i'm so into you and they're like make out and stuff and she's like oh i love mascarpone and i definitely love goat cheese and only phaedra could make a sex scene about cheese yeah and he's like feeding her berries she's like oh and uh the producer asked

39:15Ben Mandelker: or if she'd be open to marriage again. And she's like, not really that interested in it. But then she tells him that she's going to be going to a Charles Oakley gala and he could come in a jet or something like that. So then we go over to Britt and Mike's and now Britt's whole family is gathered there because once upon a time there was a storyline going on with Britt where she's trying to get her family together. So they've now all gathered and it's like the first time Britt's family and Mike's family

39:45Ronnie Karam: have ever met or something crazy like that that is so weird that is so by the way breaking news it was chi chi on married to medicine you're correct what the hell and i did watch the whole

39:56Ben Mandelker: season so what the hell okay so yes it's a lot going on in the world it's hard to retain information i mean either private planes that are about to be purchased by brit i mean it's just it's a lot to

40:07Ronnie Karam: take on i just thought chi chi would be in my mind as kind of a hero after almost kick kicking the ass of um dr greg so i can't believe i don't have a poster of him in my room actually uh so yeah so we go to brits and she's like yeah our families have never met which is super bizarre i'm not really sure what this chick is doing she says this because of covid but covid was kind of a while ago

40:33Ben Mandelker: so yeah i mean like at least lockdown was so i don't know everything she says that's what i mean

40:42Ronnie Karam: like the pandemic lockdown.

40:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and I don't know. I just don't believe really anything she says. I think there's more to the story. She's like, Well, we were going to get them together, but before our families could meet, State Farm had to approve it, and unfortunately, my family meeting on their family license was revoked because of Kenya Moore.

41:02Ronnie Karam: So, another drama. She's like, Even though I haven't always had the best dynamic in friendships, My family is everything. You don't have your best dynamics in family either. You haven't even been speaking to your sisters until this season. So come on now.

41:19Ben Mandelker: That was like the whole premise of your storyline is that none of you guys talk. It's a story about the insurance company going down and everything. So anyway, I was just very sad to see that this gathering did not include the little butler that she had earlier this season when she threw a lobster dinner for her family and tried to make it seem super fancy by hiring a butler.

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43:55Ben Mandelker: So now it's time for the Charles Oakley Foundation Gala Day. so everyone's walking in and Angela's saying the Charles Oakley Foundation has been in existence since 2017 and Charles is again saying that it's important they want to feed people and they fed 3 ,000 people during the Super Bowl and just a lot of people and they're doing great work etc etc etc so everybody

44:18Ronnie Karam: starts to come and Angela calls Drew and she's asking her when she's coming and Angela's like Drew and I met with Marcus. So we see a flashback to three days ago, this meeting with this shady queen trying to get on TV. So Marcus is like, well, Charles has been in my restaurant twice with another woman. Okay, first of all, fuck your restaurant then. What's the name of this restaurant? Nobody go to this restaurant. If I'm not allowed to cheat on my spouse in a comfortable environment, why would I even eat there? You can't just go tell people what I'm doing in your restaurant, sir.

44:53Ben Mandelker: So Marcus, I'm afraid none of us will be going to the kava you've been working in. No, please don't make it a kava. I love that place. I do love kava. I don't know why I took a shot at you, kava. Please forgive me. Make it a chalk stop.

45:07Ronnie Karam: If you're going to do that.

45:09Ben Mandelker: Make it somewhere I avoid anyway. A cheddars. So then we see this scene, and Angela's like, okay, so when did this happen? And so there's a guy named Alex that's there who's Marcus's employee, and alex says uh it happened probably in june she's you're a liar you're a bad liar and we picked up on that bullshit immediately because my husband was coaching in the big three and he's on national he was on national television at the time also the big three is also what we call our foreclosures these days we got three big foreclosures looming so she says i know marcus

45:47Ronnie Karam: didn't act alone and there's more to the story so drew on the phone is like well you know he just said that he hopes that we have his back and you know i was just like well tell the truth and then we'll have your back so now we go back to the flashback of the meeting with marcus and she's like who put you up to this and got you into that event that's what we want to know and she goes oh you don't want to say it out loud marcus you afraid you want to write it down so he writes it on his phone to show them come on this is so dramatic this is so stupid and also like you know if someone

46:21Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I believe anything this person says. So then they look at it like, oh, my God. And Angela says, I just want to know why. Why did I what did I do to provide that type of action from her? But we'll see.

46:36Ronnie Karam: so now they're gonna get to the bottom of it so back at the party uh cynthia meets chi chi and then um everybody's arriving and say hi and stuff and so portia's like well just because brit said the other day that shimmy is still talking about me that's so low on the totem pole when it comes to things that are pouring in my life so if she has good energy fine if she doesn't fine

46:57Ben Mandelker: what do i care like i'm concentrating on my house yes they decided to bring back the house thing out of nowhere this episode. Getting the house back. Getting the house back. They're like, oh yeah, I remember we this was in the season premiere, we decided we'd make this a through line. So everyone's saying hi and Kelly is talking to Shamia and saying, oh, you killed it the other night, you were great and every song was a moment, you know, you were so good, blah, blah, blah. Just really kissing her ass, etc.

47:24Ronnie Karam: And she's like, you know, not everybody can handle this. And Shamia's like, yeah, well, I'm okay with that. She goes, yeah, they can't handle what's going on. And she's like, are you okay? Are we trying to make this about you now? Because I'm not really sure what you're talking about. And she's like, yeah, well, don't one monkey stop no show. She goes, oh, so and so now Britt's like, oh, you know, she'll be as bad at me now, guys. And they're like, why? And Cynthia goes, no, no, you remember the conversation she shared with us? And Britt's like, well, I was just letting her know that. Okay.

47:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And Cynthia's like, well, yeah, that she shared it with you and everything. So Portia's like, how did she know that you, what she said, what you told me? Cynthia's like, yeah, I told her. I said something. Sorry. Listen, some things were said. I don't like to be blindsided. So I just thought, I just want you to, just want you to know. I put you on alert. So then Charles and Angela greet everyone. And we have, the gala goes forward. So they have some guests that come on. They talk about this. We have the CEO of Meals on Wheels Atlanta's there. We have someone from the Purse Foundation. and it's very nice.

48:32Ben Mandelker: It's very good. It's a very good event, okay?

48:36Ronnie Karam: Lots of important people did. People gave money to charities, okay? Yeah, and Portia gives a speech because her grandfather is like a big guy and was a big guy in like the fundraising and charity space. So she has Portia up, and Portia's like, Well, I would just, you know, I would like to thank all of the railroads for actually being undergrad now in New York City. Thank you, New York City, for making me less stupid. Thank you. So then we move on to fighting, which is what it's really about. So Shamia's like, you know, I didn't want this group to change the dynamic of my friendship with Portia because she's my person.

49:14Ronnie Karam: And so they all console Portia. She cries about Londi and stuff. And then Britt's like, yeah, it's okay. Take a deep breath, best friend. You're my best friend, right? Come on, I'm here for you as your best friend. I'm like, Shamia. Hey, Portia, do you want a mortal? my plane.

49:33Ben Mandelker: Cynthia says, I love that no matter what we're going through, when one of us is in need, we all come together. I know exactly. We make it about ourselves. Also, I love the excessive pats on the back for just doing the most basic human thing. Like someone's close relative died and they're like, look at the good we do controlling someone when they're dealing with death.

49:57Ronnie Karam: This is a sisterhood when saying, I'm sorry that your cousin died. Wow. We've really earned it. So now Cynthia's like, who's missing over here? Drew and Phaedra, where could they be? And Portia's like, what do you mean? Like the whole half of people. Because now there's all this drama because Angela is ready to start her drama for the finale.

50:19Ben Mandelker: So the ladies are all sort of sitting together in this one area, and Angela thanks them for coming, and et cetera. And she goes, well, as you guys are all aware, the other day at Kelly's event, I was ambushed by a gentleman. So Kelly went over there and proposed a toast to the guy. And you know what, Kelly? I still find it odd that it would happen in the middle of your event. Jacques Hughes, but not you. Twist, I bet you thought I was going to come for you. I didn't. My husband, when I told him, he was like, that doesn't add up. Who invited him? And, you know, I didn't have the, you know, You and I didn't all have the best relationship, and I wasn't certain if you had sent to someone.

50:59Ben Mandelker: And Britt's like, Well, no, I mean, I'm a married woman, so at the end of the day, I would never want to sabotage you, especially when I'm busy looking at private planes that I'm definitely going to buy.

51:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I just wanted to make sure all I was worried about was spitting my new Bentley inside of my new plane. It couldn't have been me. I love the second day of marriage. so at the end of the day you get nothing for nothing i was hoping you would say you get

51:31Ben Mandelker: private plans for nothing but that's fine too we've had our differences but i'm married i just love that angela is teasing this out she's like she keeps only pointing the finger like it was you

51:42Ronnie Karam: but it wasn't you but it was you it was on the rhyme show on netflix like everybody is guilty until the season finale, you know? It's like, this episode, the chef's guilty. That episode, the secretary's guilty. So she's doing that in speed-up mode.

51:57Ben Mandelker: I just participated in my first ever murder mystery dinner party over the weekend, and it definitely was pretty much almost identical to this scene. It definitely wound up with all of us accusing each other, like, but you wanted the money, but you were angry that he liked someone else. It was basically just Angela moving her finger around and accusing everyone. Yeah, and Britt's like,

52:19Ronnie Karam: I respect marriage, but the finger is definitely pointing in Kelly's direction. So she's like, yeah, well, I think Drew and I finally got to the bottom of it. And Drew's like, we found out it wasn't even true.

52:33Ben Mandelker: Who invited him? Who hired him? I don't know. Where is he? So then Drew stands up to get him. And Portia's like, why would you want to bring the guy who talked about your husband to the group to explain your husband cheating on you. Like, it just doesn't make any sense. But Angela has proven this season that, like, clearly the producers say to her, hey, you should do this, and she does this. Like, that trip to Nashville, everything. And so she's just like, sure, I'll bring this messy queen in at the finale, at my charity dinner.

53:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, her initial response to all this was, that's bullshit, I don't believe that. We all know it's a lie, why even give it air? And then the next episode, she's like, I'm hunting him down, and I'm gonna get him to write on a piece of paper who did it.

53:14Ben Mandelker: because he was lying before but now he's definitely telling the truth so they bring in this guy marcus they he's like a kindergartner with like a juice box like marcus do you want to say something to the group come on marcus he's like you guys gonna have my back you guys gonna have my back you guys gonna have my back oh my he's all nervous he's like hi but charles sees this and charles did not know about these shenanigans and so he's like no no no you gotta go he's like get the fuck out of here you just replied to my wife yeah get your motherfucking ass out of here And he's like, I have to leave?

53:45Ronnie Karam: I have to leave? And he's like, you disrespected my wife, so get your motherfucking ass out of here. Get out of here. No, he's gotta go.

53:51Ben Mandelker: Hey, Charles. No, Charles. No, he's out of here.

53:53Ronnie Karam: He disrespected you that other time, right? But I'm gonna do a scene.

53:56Ben Mandelker: No, he's out. No, he's out. No, but it'll be good. Go TV. Trust me.

54:01Ronnie Karam: Angela's screaming, trust me, Charles. Now they're screaming at each other in the middle of this event.

54:06Ben Mandelker: She's like, I'm trying to have a season finale scene, Charles.

54:10Ronnie Karam: Girl, you were just in therapy talking about communication and you don't even tell your husband you're bringing somebody to his Meals on Wheels event.

54:18Ben Mandelker: You didn't warn your husband about a stunt? You should have to. So then Marcus is like, Charles, I apologize to you. I apologize to your wife. And I truly said that I was sorry. I am sorry, Charles. I am here to speak the truth now. I am sorry. And he's like, you disrespected me as a man. So then - Well, that's good.

54:38Ronnie Karam: I'm glad he didn't disrespect you as a bird. What the fuck does that mean?

54:44Ben Mandelker: I kind of wish he did disrespect him as a bird. You disrespected me as an eagle, and I will never stand for that. Good luck trying to get on the Atkins diet, Mr. Breadcrumb eater.

54:57Ronnie Karam: So they're like, oh my God, that guy better get out of Charles' face. He'll lay him out, you know? And they're all laughing, because this is crazy. And they're talking about how his reputation in the NBA is as the enforcer. And they're like, they're going to enforce his ass right onto the floor. you know so all the ladies are loving this and the little gay is just wailing like i said i was sorry charles i said i was sorry please come to chop stop come to chop stop yeah eventually charles

55:23Ben Mandelker: is like you're lucky you're lucky because i'm gonna let my wife do her scene but i'm out take

55:29Ronnie Karam: this mic off of me i don't want to do this anymore so they got it charles i want she goes charles i wanted to clear my name and he goes it wasn't the police with handcuffs my name is clear

55:42Ben Mandelker: so then they take marcus they're like okay sweetie okay sit down do you want anything do you want a snack you want a little piece you want a granola bar you want a juice box yes please okay okay now that that was scary but there's somebody in this circle that is not happy with angela and who is that okay and jamia's like okay you gotta say you need to say who it is okay hey, sweetie, you want to say it? Are you comfortable saying it? He's like, it's Phaedra. And everyone's like, what?

56:13Ronnie Karam: Phaedra? And Angela's like, Phaedra, how could you do some shit like that? And Phaedra's like, what? And Rick goes, uh-uh, it wasn't Phaedra. It wasn't Phaedra. And Phaedra's like, what are you talking about? And Rick's like, we need proof. We need proof. And Marcus goes, Phaedra is the godfather in Atlanta.

56:32Ben Mandelker: She goes, the godfather of what? my mother taught me to keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Well, I mean, that's kind of a godfather thing to say. And that's why she's saying it.

56:43Ronnie Karam: She's doing the line from the godfather. She's like, my mother taught me to keep your friends close. Like she's doing the lines from the godfather. And Marcus is like, she controls Atlanta. She goes, what? What are you talking about? And he's like, I'm just nervous to speak my truth. The godfather is going to come get me. Horsehead in my bed. Horsehead in my bed.

57:03Ben Mandelker: Phaedra's like of course blame me I'm an easy target but girl I absolutely have no reason to put anybody up to this nonsense I already have had my marriage destroyed on national TV so there's no way in hell I would come for anyone else's marriage Marcus I trusted you you're my brother she kisses him on the cheek um

57:24Ronnie Karam: so Marcus is like the tea was dropped to me at Phipps Plaza the Monday before the event and Phaedra goes you've never met me you're crazy and he goes you dropped it off to me and she goes dropped off what and he says the envelope and she says what envelope with the info the envelope with the info why are you pretending like you don't you haven't seen this movie and she goes what info though and so um and cynthia goes now i know that and auntie phaedra left no receipt like a whole envelope she's not gonna do that phaedra's sneaky but she's good sneaky you know yeah it's like if phaedra

57:59Ben Mandelker: didn't get caught with that whole mess with Apollo going to jail. She's not going to get caught with a messy Marcus.

58:06Ronnie Karam: At least with the stuff that happened with Candy, Phaedra had motive. You know what I mean? Phaedra was like, okay, well this girl's like besties with Apollo and hiding all of his shit from the FBI in her garage and she's doing a lot of shit a best friend shouldn't be doing. Now her revenge was despicable, of course. No one's going to stand up for Phaedra's revenge. But if you're looking at it from a crime point of view, she had a means, an opportunity, and a motive there was a reason and in this she's like i don't even know this girl what the fuck do i care about

58:34Ben Mandelker: her and her shitty marriage you know yeah i just i have to something does not seem right about this so portia's like she's like the only thing i heard phaedra say about charles is that he likes to have a good time so i don't see why she would have it up for angela i mean she just got here she went on

58:49Ronnie Karam: one trip and now she's been framed and briggs goes so she reached out to you and he goes we have a connect and so they all start laughing because it's so ridiculous and Angela goes yeah and tell us who the connect is say the name that you guys know and he goes um yeah his name is Junebug and they all start cracking up they're like Junebug and Mia goes Drew did you write this or did you

59:12Ben Mandelker: just act in it got it to be to Angela like who's Junebug and Portia goes that's an actor's name if I ever heard one. Who the hell is Junebug? You know what? This is all the team that Todd Tucker came up with. And then we see a flashback to Aunt Bertha saying like, well, it could have been a scheme that Todd set up for him to come to you with the bullshit. Then she like spins around like she just came up to assault something. Come to you with the bullshit.

59:43Ben Mandelker: Marcus is like, I promise that's the truth. You guys don't want to hear the truth. I am done with it. I am out of here. You can't handle the truth. so Cynthia's like well shit that could be any of our cousins I mean everybody's got a June bug around here somewhere

59:59Ronnie Karam: I was dying laughing this was so good and so Phaedra's like why would I have a beef with you and Angela goes maybe because I have a ring and Phaedra goes what ring do you have that I would want she goes marriage and she goes you think I want your marriage and she goes well you want a marriage Phaedra because you tried to come in between mine and she's like you did it you sent him and no one is believing that this is so crazy listen Phaedra is not a trustworthy uh witness but Marcus is the most unreliable narrator anyway she had someone named Junebug meet you in Phipps Plaza with an envelope that said Charles was cheating in your restaurant why would you need an envelope with information if you saw somebody cheating in your restaurant like what the fuck are you talking about yeah exactly well i mean the envelope of money to say that somebody was to say he's so stupid marcus get out of here you know what happens to snitches don't you no but let's find out

1:01:01Ben Mandelker: they get riches so angela's like this is your character i know the moves you play and the level that you're playing out of this kind of low because i trusted you and i liked you Phadra goes, well, and I liked you too, but you're accusing me of something with no proof. In The Godfather, it says, beware of the person who brings you the information, Phadra, and you gave me everything. You gave me everything. So the producer's like, well, how did you receive Marcus's full name and work information? So Angela says, Phadra called me and she said, you know, the guy who approached you, I do remember him.

1:01:34Ben Mandelker: She said she has the memory of an elephant and his name was Marcus such and such. and she said he worked in such and such and she gave me the information and his restaurant was called such and such kitchen so i got to the bottom of such and such and pager goes it's

1:01:50Ronnie Karam: because he introduced himself at the event in front of us it wasn't information that i came up with i just remembered the event when he said his name and the restaurant he works at and she's like i don't know that man from adam's house cat it was my event you know the real person is the person who made the guest list and allowed him in, which I think makes more sense. I mean, I think it was probably, if it was anybody, it was Kelly, it was her event. And Kelly's also the one that went up and initiated a cheers with him after he did that. So she was the one that tried to keep it going. So if anybody is at fault here, it would be Kelly.

1:02:25Ronnie Karam: But I don't believe Kelly did it, really. Or it's just a messy producer. It could just be something that's cool. It's just Eric Fuller back there trying to make something fucking happen on another season he's fucking up. Is it Eric Fuller? I'm going to see, because I'm accusing that for a man if it's not.

1:02:39Ben Mandelker: I thought they removed him from the show because he fucked it up so badly. I mean, he fucked up this show and Potomac, I believe. Allegedly. So Angela is like, all the roads lead to Phaedra. And Phaedra goes, you're researching, but you're failing to tell us that you're in foreclosure, which has literally nothing to do with this. And she goes, that ain't no thesis. I will tell you everything I'm going through, honey, and I will get it out of it. But because what it is is one failed friendship after group to another. And here you are doing the same shit you did with the old friends. Clearly referencing marriage medicine, I'm assuming.

1:03:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it looks like Eric Fuller did not do this season of this. So sorry, Eric Fuller. I don't know who I'm supposed to be yelling at now. Somebody tell me so I can yell properly during the reunion. Whoever it is is fucking it up.

1:03:32Ben Mandelker: Oh, it's Schmerich Luller. Wait a second. it's just eric fuller with a mustache on it's like mustache and monocle no i'm not related to

1:03:41Ronnie Karam: him at all yeah so it's like you know you're walking around here like you think you got your shit together but do you even let your kids visit their father and she's like they do all the time what are you talking about she's are you sure because you're a horrible person you're a horrible

1:03:57Ben Mandelker: person are you sure because you are a horrible person so to me it's like in my spirit i'm feeling like the prime suspect is brit ed angela you told the girl she had stretch marks on her mouth i think makes sense too yeah brit is probably the brit would be messy like this

1:04:15Ronnie Karam: i think i think the one trying to like make the the housewives story storylines go and start fights all the time and just overdoing every single thing and like filming on her private plane which she doesn't own i mean brit is really the one trying to do all the housewife stuff um and so phaedra's like well i don't have anything to do although i don't believe that anybody did it really i mean even that's how tricky this queen is making us doubt everybody on the show like the person i trust the least on this show is this marcus bitch get him out of here he didn't earn a spot on this show you did not audition get out wheel him out yeah i think he's thirsty i think

1:04:48Ben Mandelker: he wanted to have a moment of fame i think that that's what he's going for i think he's ready to do he's ready to do the whole like podcast social media circle he's gonna be popping up on youtube giving his side of the story. Like, just watch. Just watch. This guy is in it to be famous, so I don't trust anything. I mean, they're all in it to be famous, to be fair, but he's even more shameless.

1:05:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but they're at least on the show. They're doing their job. You know, he's just some fucking weirdo trying to get attention. So I think Portia has it right when she says, I think Angela did it to herself. Fight me at the reunion, bitch.

1:05:25Ben Mandelker: So Angela's like, well, I'm sad that we ended on this note. Well, you did it, Angela. everything was fine until you brought out the until you brought out marcus and then you started

1:05:34Ronnie Karam: accusing everyone angela the queen of making every situation awkward with some weird accusation so now we get the uh after season update things and uh kelly has closed the doors on her marriage and she's preparing to open new doors for sandy springs nana's chicken and waffles and in spring or summer 2025 she'll be double checking the guest list for the grand opening oh update

1:06:00Ben Mandelker: it is not opened that was an update by uh jessica our note taker who did the did some good research there um shamia um is i guess the shamia is the next one i don't know it's just there's they're basically just like all now squabbling now it's like a lot of squabbling and it goes back and forth between like updates etc well now it's shamia and brit is complaining about their fighting is so

1:06:22Ronnie Karam: it makes no sense still you know and um so brit's saying that she was faking the daughter being sick And Shamia's like, you said I was faking her being sick. She goes, no, I never said that she was faking it. Yes, you did. You literally said that. So I don't trust you either because you're pointless. You know? Yes. You say one thing and then deny it the next two minutes later. Right.

1:06:44Ben Mandelker: And Shamia's saying, you threaten people with guns. That's what you do, you whore. And Britt's like, I'm not doing this with them. So now we see Britt is using her clean slate to open a new insurance agency. she's also working hard to release bare and naked so that the masses can be snatched just like her what was bare naked also she mentioned at one point i don't even remember what that what that even was it's such a it was her shapewear okay it was so she came out with

1:07:10Ronnie Karam: and she put up like a before and after but they were the exact same picture and thanks see how different i look there i was inspired by getting my baby all in brazil

1:07:20Ben Mandelker: yeah um then we see drew drew's album i did it to me

1:07:32Ronnie Karam: that reminds me of my mom i've told you the story before but my mom wanted a facelift and my dad was like i'm not getting you a facelift that's ridiculous so she like saved up her money and she finally gets a facelift she you know you have you're covered like a zombie so for she finally wanted to see and they always tell you do not go take off your own bandages don't do it but my mom did and she my dad just heard a wailing and he runs down thinking like oh my god what's

1:07:58Ben Mandelker: going on and she's just in the bathroom screaming i'm a monster and i did it to me

1:08:09Ronnie Karam: and all these years later drew named her album that i'm gonna get that from my mom I did it to me.

1:08:16Ben Mandelker: While her music career is on high, her relationship with Ralph is still on a low as he continues to reside in his basement apartment in the sky with an end to the divorce nowhere in sight. Is her music career on a high right now? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

1:08:33Ronnie Karam: And I get the George Jefferson reference here, but it still didn't make much sense. He continues to reside in his basement apartment in the sky.

1:08:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And also Ralph has literally never moved on up ever. Actually, maybe he did actually, you know, when he married Drew's story, he moved on up because Drew is, Drew was famous before the show and has like, she's, she's a known entity. So Ralph did move on up then, but now he's, if, if they were to make the Jeffersons about Ralph, it'd be, it'd be so stagnating, stagnating. I think that's what the vibe would be.

1:09:05Ronnie Karam: So then we go to, um, Shami is like, I, I don't know. Shamia's still pissed off at Brit. So then we see while baby Shiloh continues to make progress, Shamia has a new surrogate and will welcome a baby soon. Her single, Never Had, was released in March 2025. She hopes that listeners don't talk over it this time. They will. And then Angela is like, thank you, Phaedra. Hope you enjoyed yourself. And they just smile at each other. And then we see that Phaedra's booked and busy and adding more jobs to her resume until her boys retire her. Meanwhile, her chocolate prince, Chi-Chi, is still satisfying her sweet tooth.

1:09:44Ronnie Karam: Mascarpone.

1:09:46Ben Mandelker: And then Angela sold three houses, but two have unfortunately been lost. What does that mean they've been lost? I'm assuming foreclosed on, or I don't know, maybe they burned down, or maybe they were like, wait, wasn't the house at this address? No? Where was it?

1:10:03Ronnie Karam: It doesn't make any sense.

1:10:05Ben Mandelker: I don't know where that house is.

1:10:06Ronnie Karam: I guess we lost it. Did she sell them at a loss? That would make sense. Or did she just let them go into foreclosure and let the banks take them? Because that's crazy.

1:10:14Ben Mandelker: It was such a dramatic... I think it was that they were foreclosed on, but such a dramatic way to say it. Two of them have unfortunately been lost.

1:10:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah. But now she's coming out with Fangie, a line of fans.

1:10:27Ben Mandelker: Fangie. Oh, I get it. And no word on when she and Charles will renew their vows. Please don't, because that's going to be the end of your marriage. um and so then you know now portia and cynthia are talking um and cynthia's saying brit told shamiya that she told you and i had a conversation with shamiya they're basically just talking about

1:10:48Ronnie Karam: shamiya and stuff because portia's like why are you going to go try and start another fight with me and shamiya i already knew that shamiya said that stuff and i didn't care i was going to let it go so and cynthia's like well listen i'm just a friend of and that's my job she's like whatever Okay, fine. I forgive you. So then Portia's like, whatever, I'm fine with Shamia. And that's my ending. So Portia, we get the ending with Portia because we started with Portia running outside. Remember when she put on her sneakers and she went running outside and everybody was like, Portia does not go running.

1:11:18Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry. And she certainly does not go running outside. So we get a more realistic ending, which is Portia running on her treadmill at home. you know and we remember she had to run outside because she couldn't film in her home but now she

1:11:31Ben Mandelker: can yeah because the divorce has sort of gone through ish and she says i can't tell you how

1:11:41Ronnie Karam: are you going to keep somebody out of your house when you've been deported yeah she's like well i

1:11:46Ben Mandelker: can't tell you how exciting i am to be able to film in my home wow we still have to move forward but now we can film in my home which would have been more exciting if they had just tried to keep that thread going through the season i was like oh yeah i guess that was a thing i don't know if we needed to pick the cameras back up five months later to see this but that's cool so nice the

1:12:06Ronnie Karam: house looks nice so then nothing feels as safe as living in a house that you could be kicked out of any moment so that's good uh so we see her happy in her about to be gone house and then uh see that Simon was detained by ICE. Dun-dun-dun.

1:12:24Ben Mandelker: Leaving the divorce on ICE. ICE-y. Wow. Thanks a lot, ICE, for among all the other things that you're ruining, for now, interrupting Housewives storyline. Fuck ICE. You really can't do anything right. They are just the worst in so many different ways. Now they're even fucking up the Housewives storylines. Although, Simon,

1:12:45Ronnie Karam: you know, a broken clock is right. a couple times a day. You got Simon. No one was a fan of Simon at this point, I think, on this show. But still, fuck you guys. Fuck us. So that was that for Atlanta season 17. Was this season 17? Just crazy.

1:13:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah, season 16. So we have, there's going to be this reunion coming up after the July 4th weekend. So we will look forward to that. And thanks everyone for being here for the season finale.

1:13:14Ronnie Karam: We'll talk to you next time. Bye-bye. Bye.

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