#2920 RHOC S19E01 Part 2: There’s The Golden Door, Shannon Beador! With Amy Phillips

0:00Hey guys, it's Paige from Giggly Squad. Okay, can we all agree that hosting is so much fun? And I really do love it. Every weekend, it's come over for snacks, let's make dinner together, and somehow the second you put out a fruit platter, it seems that bugs show up before your friends do. This is why I have to have my Zeevo flying insect trap. You plug it in and you let it do all the work. It's specially designed blue and UV light attracts the bugs you didn't know you had and wow did we have a lot like house flies fruit flies gnats and then with zivo bam next thing you know the pests are caught in the sticky cartridge and away from your yummy treats without any mess or strong odors the best part is the design is actually sleek and curved so it hides the bugs it catches keeping them out of sight and when the cartridge is full you just grab the no mess tab throw it in the trash pop in a new cartridge and then you're done no mess no stress So whether you're hosting a dinner party or spending an afternoon baking treats with all your friends, and you want to focus on hosting and not constantly swatting at bugs, Zeevo has you covered with 24-7 bug protection.

1:07Plug in a Zeevo flying insect trap so you can work smarter, not harder, and actually enjoy your time at home.

1:37Ben Mandelker: Hi, everyone. Welcome back. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. So, um. I'm doing it myself from now on.

1:57Ben Mandelker: so now we go to um a place called beach bunny where jen and ryan are shopping i feel like it's not an orange county season unless people are at some random bathing suit shop beach bunny 100 yeah and how many people went there that day to get a wedding bikini they were probably like the 12th person yeah this is like oh unfortunately yeah unfortunately we're out of our wedding bikinis but we do have some wedding one pieces for you yes ron and i have an yeah i really like this with this bathing suit thank you so much for your input i don't think i want to have a bathing suit as a wedding dress but like i'll definitely consider it thank you so much thank you thank you so much i love being with you he's like yeah you know what i'm gonna wear for my wedding i'm gonna wear a denim jacket with paint splattered on it what do you think about that ryan you're so hot with your paint splatters and your tan and your and and your embezzlement and like all your fraud allegedly and allegedly yeah i'm not saying that i'm broke i'm just saying why don't we have a wedding where i'm in board shorts and you're in bikini and we don't pay for all that stuff how about this instead of um a wedding cake we can go to van lewins actually scratch that that's pretty expensive what about we go to the ice cream counter at rite aid and just tell people that's so romantic get it get a cone get a cone they have to pay for it themselves yeah babe why don't we just like get one of those uh like uh moles and we can make a sandcastle cake on the beach how about this instead of a dj why don't we just sit really close to the good humor guy because he's always playing some sick tunes we could just dance on the beach next to him sick tunes they are sick did somebody say sick tunes i'm there i don't know if you know this but i i sometimes wear red in the presence of music royalty drake and so i'm aware of music tunes that are played on good humor comedy festival.

4:16Ben Mandelker: Is Good Humor a comedy show?

4:22Ben Mandelker: I was on a Richard Marks album. I don't know if you remember how it goes, but here, let me sing some of it for you. Here you go. Here comes. I brought a band. Good Humor Guy, play the backing track, please.

4:44That was Dr. Jen.

4:46Ben Mandelker: By the way, we have to go back to Dr. Jen's name. Let's appreciate Dr. Jen's name. Let's do it. I live for the moment because it's all I've got. It doesn't even sound like her. It's all I've got. The best is when Heather DeBrow comes in. Yeah, she actually sounds good, you know? I am done. Yeah. I mean, in comparison to the other, she sounds like Celine Dion. She's really... She's doing a run here. What did she do with the gravel? And then Whatever I want Whatever I want With no explanation Explanation Oh With whatever I want So let's get the questions And then there's one more It's building Whatever I want And baby I want you Oh, I see what you did there, Mr.

5:45Marks.

5:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's a great tune. Bravo. Amazing. It really has a great tune. I love that it was so unexpected just then. Yeah, and I like, you know, when the chorus, when they all sing together, they all don't sing in unison. They sort of like have their timing is all a little off, you know? It's nice. my daughter's rehearsing for a musical right now and they sound amazing compared to what musical matilda oh okay very nice very nice very nice um i thought it might be like hamilton i was like that'll be interesting second grade production of hamilton yeah right she would love it she knows some of the words so um uh so anyway jen and ryan they're shopping uh for bikinis and board shorts and jen is just still airing out her grievances about tamra and she's like she keeps this is jen's thing she's like how was i friends with this woman for so many years and now i'm the target i mean we're both targets for her how does this even happen how can we go from being friends to being targets this is the same person that we were friends with and now we're targets i don't even understand how this would even happen ryan speaking of uh let's bop over to target see if they've got some cheaper suits uh why don't we do that while we're talking speaking of which i hear we can get some uh sweet paper plates for the wedding over there sweet

7:18Ben Mandelker: and and uh jen's like i mean she's speaking about possibly doing therapy and she wants to get help for herself and he comes in with a pretty good callback because he's like oh man was it good it was really good he's like well the therapy is fake she's not doing it for any personal retrospect because the baptism 10 years ago should have had the personal retrospect i was like and who are you sir welcome aboard welcome aboard with the baptism receipts and we got that nice little montage of the dunk and i'm like ryan has been watching this show lying in wait to be a part of this has he not oh yeah that was a great that was just a great callback right there it was also it it showed the fakery around the baptism and also uh it was also his way of being like yeah if you got like severe trauma like just a little dunk in the pool is not yeah exactly no offense to no offense to people who i mean it's a nice tradition you know yeah i know i think it's great for the religion i'm just saying like okay like you i dipped in and now everything's fixing i'm a new person it's like no you gotta still do the work right you gotta show up do the work you gotta show up you gotta show up you gotta do the work you know do the work bitch get away get away get a job get away

8:47Ben Mandelker: uh i wish i could do a vicky voice after all these years i still can't because it it goes in such strange places right it does yeah well it's just it's just you know stepped up nose

9:01Ben Mandelker: so now um we go with heather and emily are having dinner with heather emily and Tamara are having dinner at a place called Oliver's Trattoria or

9:16Ben Mandelker: Emily's like hi and she says like how's your birthday oh speaking of birthdays I have something for you oh you don't have to do anything for me that's okay it's more like you'll be doing something for me it's a contract to have you be my new maid do you accept how much is it pay no it's actually a handkerchief that i got monogrammed for you and i got you this handkerchiefs that way you wouldn't complain that it was a different size than everyone else's handkerchief enjoy is it monogram with your monogram because you like to monogram things hey waiter she likes to monogram things she monograms

9:58Ben Mandelker: that's funny i can laugh at myself one moment i am taking a phone call with an assistance remove the monogram from the handkerchief thank you she doesn't want to see the hd send a drone with a laser and undo the monogram oh there goes that plane again

10:23Ben Mandelker: so um so heather's like asking about the kids and everything and she's like well you know max is in paris and uh she has a cat and i'm sorry no max i don't know who it is but max has a max has a cat in paris and the cat has a beret that was amazing that was definitely a needed moment because i was like they fucking showed that picture of that cat in a beret and i lost it i was like i loved it i love i was so happy for that cat because you know it was like a ten thousand dollar beret

10:59Ben Mandelker: it looks so good in it it was it was like a perfect cat beret and the perfect color it was like a gray cat with the pop of red i mean damn it was like that cat was starring in the cat version of emily in paris in that moment it was like working at a fashion shop so and meow in Paris. Terry,

11:31let's do a spinoff on E.

11:35Ben Mandelker: Oh, I could play Emily. I don't think I've each out of that category yet. I will. Here, picture it. I'm a 32-year-old something, a fashionista, if you will, in Paris. I've just arrived on the recommendation of my neighbor, Drake, who says, you've got to go to Paris. bring me back some inspiration from my next album EP release. It's something called a, uh, make fun of track. So that's why I'm here. Make fun of track.

12:06Oh my God. Okay.

12:09Ben Mandelker: Okay. What are they even talking about here? So, uh, Emily's like, Oh, Tamara, your face looks good. My face. Best. Best. Best. Yeah. It looks good. What have you been doing? Crying. Crying in therapy? Stress. Stress. Bad news, everyone. I'm not in the spectrum anymore. Bad news.

12:37Ben Mandelker: So, Katie is like, I'm sorry, Tamara's like, I'm getting soft because guess what? I went to dinner with Katie. She wants to go to the quiet woman. Of course she wants to go to the quiet woman. Hashtag fan. Am I right, everyone? God, does anything ever good happen at the quiet woman? This is why I only go to Spago and places for other celebrities that Wendy Malick can't get into anymore. So Tamara's like, well, I haven't talked to Katie in a while. So she says, why did you block me from Instagrams? So I said, do you know, you don't know why I blocked you? Because there was a content creator that was putting out stories that ran all these troll accounts.

13:15Ben Mandelker: So I went into Instagram and I said, what are you saying? what you're saying is a lie and you will hear from my attorney. My attorney happens to be my son, who's also a cowboy rancher. But whatever. He's trying to find himself still. So Katie reached out to the girl and then when I accused her of calling this blogger to console her for attacking me, I caught her in lie. I caught her in lie.

13:41Target man, I caught her in lie.

13:43Ben Mandelker: I caught her in lie. It's like hospital in Europe. you know how they say i went to hospital hospital yeah totally tamra's like i caught her and lie i caught her and lie it's hard to do like a trade is i'm scottish now

14:04Ben Mandelker: so amy can you break this down a little bit here this is a very convoluted thing um but what tamra's alleging that katie did can you just explain to the audience a little bit what's what's happening. Sure, absolutely. So basically, Tamara is upset because Katie blocked her. That's because there was somebody that went out there and put all this stuff about Katie. and oh no no i'm sorry i'm sorry it was about tamra um but so then tamra got upset and was really really pissed and went after this blogger right so she was like messaging her like i can't believe you're doing this i thought we were cool batch and then so katie called this blogger over the over Instagram you know how you can call people yeah yeah and so and now she's saying well I didn't call this blogger this blogger called me and was like oh no Tamara's coming after me and what but the real truth I believe is that this that Katie did call this blogger and was like I'm so sorry Tamara's doing this to you like was trying to empathize with her and furthermore I pretty sure I know the name of the blogger because they put a story up the other day saying before the premiere you should know that katie did call me and i have the receipts to prove it should i say the name of the blogger yeah it's bravo babe oh yeah i can see that on screen by the way i forgot to mention they blurted out very poorly i looked at it i was like that says bravo babe yeah so there you go so shout out babe i love her i forgot i forgot not to take away thunder from that but it was just like um yeah they put that right out there but by the way i love it's i'm always so proud when our fellow content creators wind up like in the in the mess i don't think we should go out of our way to create mess to be on the show i just think it's funny when they're the housewives are so messy like that then all of a sudden one of us gets like thrown into it like yeah and they said this right yeah i trust bravo babe i do too she has the receipts it shows she did a screenshot and it shows that katie called her yeah so in summary What we have so far on the episode is we have a disgruntled nanny who reached out to Katie and was like, I'm going to I'm going to back up your story.

16:43Ben Mandelker: And Katie said, well, that's crazy. Well, my daughter was just on this podcast and this is the name of the podcast. Godspeed. And so there's one thing there. And then we have a situation where Bravo Babe was had claimed that Tamara created a whole bunch of fake troll accounts. And Tamara's like, no, that didn't happen. and then Katie called Bravo Babe to console her for Tamara. Right. Yes. Thank you. You did it. I forgot the troll part. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Wow. You got it. It's very messy. I know. Very messy. I was having a very hard time following it when I was watching. I was like, wait, but it's two separate content creator issues happening, but they're both with Katie in the middle.

17:22Right. Good point. So who is the common denominator here? Hmm. Interesting.

17:27Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I mean, I'm still I'm still team Katie, but I have a feeling. Yes, it's I have a feeling she's a real shit stir. Yeah, she's going to be in trouble. I feel like she's, you know, sometimes when this happens, you're like, oh, fuck that person. They're a liar. And then sometimes you just watch it like you're watching like Larry David. You're like, oh, you just got yourself into a pickle and we're going to watch you get out of it. And I'm sort of in that. That's my mindset with Katie. Yeah, yeah. I'm into watching this unravel. Yeah, you're new and you've messed up. and now we're going to watch you suffer as Heather Dubrow sharpens her knives.

18:00Yes, right. Exactly.

18:02Ben Mandelker: Speaking of which, Heather's like, why is she trying to hurt everyone? And Tamara's like, she's always, she's always gotten excuse for everything. I'm like, says Tamara, who's like, I'm so sorry, Jen, for lashing out at you. It turns out that when I see certain types of doorknobs and the sun hits them in certain ways, I get very tricky and reminded of the past. The thing is, I lashed out because on my way here, I passed like four gyms and we closed our gym and i was just sad about the business and like i just laughed because i was mad it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial one thing that we're both pretty serious about is furniture and our homes that's exactly correct And as summer starts to segue into fall, I'm enjoying the last few moments of beautiful warm air.

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20:50And wow, did we have a lot. Like house flies, fruit flies, gnats. And then with Zeevo, bam. Next thing you know, the pests are caught in the sticky cartridge and away from your yummy treats without any mess or strong odors. The best part is the design is actually sleek and curved. so it hides the bugs it catches, keeping them out of sight, and when the cartridge is full, you just grab the no mess tab, throw it in the trash, pop in a new cartridge, and then you're done. No mess, no stress. So whether you're hosting a dinner party or spending an afternoon baking treats with all your friends, and you want to focus on hosting and not constantly swatting at bugs, Zivo has you covered with 24-7 bug protection.

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21:41Ben Mandelker: So then basically, you know, they're like, yeah, she's terrible. She's the worst, by the way. And Heather, I'm sorry, Emily goes, yeah, and also, by the way, Jen, Jen said that Katie's a con artist. Ooh, a con artist. She told you that. Can we weaponize it? Can we use it? Yes, she told Gina. And so now this is gonna be a whole big thing, which is like wow it's so bad that not even jen likes katie i know that's supposed to be her friend so now emily and gina go to meet katie for coffee because uh it's supposed to be gina and katie but emily's there because why not why not ambush right yeah so gina gina is driving along like she's in a she's in some movie where she is like like a mother wronged and she's going to the school to go yell at the principal she's like oh my god you're so right she is scornish like what you did to my son what you did is unsungivable she's just driving with a scowl on her face she's all bundled up for some reason she's got like feathers around hair is flying yeah angry bleach blonde roots and then she's got this dark makeup i mean she looks a vendetta yes it's coming like she's like in a like pedro amadovar movie or something so she she's driving furiously with and then she has emily she picked up emily and this is actually i'm like laughing at the way the scene starts but then it does not become a laughing scene because now emily is sharing that um the therapist is now saying that there's a chance that luke may be on the spectrum after all the spectrum talk that uh his eating disorder is very common with autism so know he's got to do lots of intensive testing and um they've got to just like you know she's like a mess like she's really distraught by this mainly because i i don't think that she's like crying that her son might have autism i think she's crying that she feels like she missed the signs and feels incredibly guilt which i feel like she should she should not feel guilty about that at all whatsoever absolutely not absolutely not and he's been thriving you know i mean some of these conditions don't really show up right away.

24:00And sometimes you don't know if it's an actual pattern, especially with a child who every child is a picky eater. So you really, this is, you got to play the long game with this. You just don't know.

24:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. And Gina is actually a really good friend right here because she, she's talking about how her, her daughter has like sensory issues i believe and that like she was like gina was shocked that um a professional like a teacher was like by the way i think your daughter has some sensory issues and gina was like like she felt bad that she didn't notice it now to be fair gina not noticing something it's not the wildest thing in the world let's be honest but in this case as a mother like all jokes aside like like i thought i thought it was like i thought she was like such a good friend to emily in that moment being like, look, I've been there.

24:48Ben Mandelker: Don't feel guilty. Get you through this together. Absolutely. A really good friend. And also Gina was going through a pretty horrific time in her marriage at that point. Yeah. I literally thought you were going to say also Gina was driving to a stop sign at that moment.

25:05So,

25:09Ben Mandelker: but anyway, it's, you know, like it felt really bad for Emily that she was being so hard on herself in that moment. I think she needs to give herself some more grace. Absolutely. Now we have, Shannon is going to be, she's getting this golden door get together ready. So she's getting, Shannon has an assistant named Claire and Shannon's like, well, I will tell you one thing, Claire. First of all, I thought you were the Claire, but apparently you were not related to the store and the mall. So thanks for the misleading name.

25:42Ben Mandelker: I was about to brag that my team is full of intrepid millionaires that's fine but I'll tell you one thing I'm not going to do today is a sand bath because I had a bowl in my head and someone took a mallet and whacked me and then we had a flashback to that amazing scene with Kelly God. Oh my god. That was not. Now that was it. Was that the same? That was Mirrorball. That was Mirrorball. Okay. That was Mirrorball. That was Taylor's Cliffs and hit song. It's also where Rachel, aka Raquel, went to heal from Scandaval. It was Mirrorball. That's right. Kelly knocked her on the head, too, with the bowl.

26:21Ben Mandelker: Kelly was waiting. I've been waiting here for a long time. I don't believe you. Put that bowl in your head. So they're packing up and everything, and Tamara's like, I'm a little bit nervous about even going to this. I'm not going to beg for someone's friendship, but it's just amazing how she can throw friendships away like that. I just don't understand how she could be so heartless. Talking about Shannon, of course. And of course, Eddie is there with his typical Eddie advice. Like, have you even met her? She's not even a real friend. Thanks, Eddie. I hear this. I'm like, is there a gas leak? It's like, it's like, it's a low whistle.

27:02Like, what is that noise? Like, what is that? somebody leave a burner on like what is happening is that is my sound machine on from last night

27:09Ben Mandelker: what the smoke alarm starts going off by the way four beeps on the smoke alarm we had a gas we had we literally had a carbon monoxide leak here like oh really yes and for the just so you know psa if you're if your detector gives four beeps and not like any other number four beeps means carbon monoxide so that's important because if you hear it and you're like why won't my why won't my detector go off it's broken don't take your detector off and be like it's broken if you're the four beeps go outside that's the psa thank you for that exciting carbon monoxide experience that we had oh my gosh ben that's crazy that's really crazy it's very like very very scary but that does not take away from the fact that there may be a slow leak also happening with Eddie because he's It's like a deflating balloon, you know?

27:59Ben Mandelker: Maybe he's the one that's leaking.

28:04Eddie, what'd you say?

28:10So,

28:11Ben Mandelker: Shannon arrives at the golden door. She's like, no, there is just some magical energy at this place. I mean, all you can eat mashed potatoes and green peas. No, I keep on getting myself confused about where we actually are. Well, either way, it's the intentions you set when you walk through the doors. I mean, it's$12 ,950 for every eight days, but I come out as a better person. I come out as a person who has to say they're a better person because they just spent$12 ,000. If they don't say they're a better person, then what are you doing with your money? Am I right? Oh God. John Jansen sent me here four times.

28:47And I came back a better person every time. It's his fault.

28:52Ben Mandelker: I hear that Julia Roberts comes here, Susan Sarandon, Oprah Winfrey, Elizabeth Taylor comes here from time to time. She's dead, but I hear that she haunts these halls like Gina does at an AutoZone. Boo!

29:12Ben Mandelker: There are so many illuminaries that have been here. I hear that Sissy Spacek maybe. The older sister from Mr. Belvedere has been known to visit.

29:28Ben Mandelker: Cokie Roberts back in the day. Another R.I.P. Cokie. Everyone. So Gina and Heather and Tamara arrived. Tamara is really upset because the news has just broken about Teddy Mellencamp and her brain cancer. so like there's heavy shit swirling around this episode so yeah they're really this was crazy because it was like tamra was already upset and so when we first saw her in that therapy session i thought she was crying about teddy same oh you did okay i thought so too but then i but then i don't think it was about teddy i think she was crying just right it was just tamra cry it was yeah it took it kind of i mean i hate to say it when it sort of took away from the you know intensity of what we all you know found out and i mean that's like her best friend it was horrific and i you know we all knew what they were shooting at that time and she left was like you'll never see my first gun and then like came back but yeah this was it's horrific and and horrible and terrible and yeah a lot of heavy things and uh shannon meanwhile was gearing up to have a whole big confrontation with tamra she literally was like i'm gonna say something to her we are going to walk through that golden door and I will say something and I will I have it all written here on my telephone and then she's like oh I guess I can't say anything right now anyway because she literally was like yeah I was going to say something but I'm going to have compassion so yeah smart smart good good so Shannon says one of the issues that I've come to the golden door for is to get clarity so I think people when they see Shannon Bedore they say look at that person who's thinking clearly at all times that's the golden door at work that's the magic that's what happens you go in a mess you come out just a clean spirit they are so nice here and I did check and it looks like the woman who greeted us at the door will not be trying to set us up with some middle aged men so I had an issue at the last hotel I stayed with a very very over involved valet named Joel Kim Booster her i i promise i won't get into a fight with the person in charge here by the way i also thought the woman i think her name was like kimberly or something she kept on greeting people like welcome to the golden door and she said it the exact same way that they put up three of her at one point and it was like welcome welcome welcome to the golden door golden door it was like all the exact same way like a robot totally she's just an ai like Like you see through her.

32:03Ben Mandelker: It's a hologram. Yeah, that's what it is. I couldn't think of what it is. Made from AI, an AI hologram. Okay. So Emily is there and she is really upset still about, she's upset about Katie because Gina's like, I'm telling you, I don't trust this girl in a wall. Because by the way, they didn't like, did we just skip, by the way, did I just like skip completely over their whole, their whole coffees? I feel like we talked about them going to coffee, but we didn't actually talk about them in the coffee scene. I just, okay. Rewind, rewind. This coffee scene was important. And I feel like I'm trying to think when Emily and Gina and wait, who was at coffee?

32:49Ben Mandelker: We talked, it was Emily, Gina and Katie. And we talked about them going to coffee. And then we started talking about like the news about the autism. And then we forgot that there was a, There was a full petty scene that we just a centerpiece scene that we just missed. Well, guess what, everyone? We're going back. We're going back into the trenches. Guys, get back in that fucking car because we're going back. Where we're going, they don't need any roads. Going into DeLorean, going back at times. How are you guys? I mean, I'm all right. Like, I'm fine, but yeah, now Gene's back. Please go on. Please go on.

33:24Ben Mandelker: Please go on. I mean, I'm here for my friend. She's upset. I mean, for me, it's just kind of like everything happened with you last year. I lost a lot of trust with you and I reached out to you and you picked me up, picked out the phone and I called you, my best friend, Jen, and a couple of conversations where Jen was questioning your motives, your behavior. She didn't think that things added up with you and I don't trust you and now I don't trust you and Jen said you're a kind artist that's not my word that's Jen's word I just remember you saying we have to move on and we all talk shit about each other and we all do these things so that's what I was doing I was just moving on we don't all talk to bloggers there's a difference yeah because of your ex nanny who came to me is that why also I just want to just highlight again that Tamara is one of the podcasters and bloggers that we don't talk to.

34:23Ben Mandelker: Okay, continue on. I should have ignored her, but you know what? I was pissed. That's why I did that. There's no excuse, Katie. Oh, I'm bad. Okay, well, you just knocked over my coffee with your anger.

34:42Ben Mandelker: If you're pissed with me, then deal with me. You don't think I haven't gone to a reunion and been pissed at her for two fucking years? I had to deal with people coming after my husband on my marriage, okay? Get in line! I've never been on a reality show. You were just on the season. You're lying. You're lying right now. Well, I've never... My name is not Katie. I don't... I'm just trying to do the best I can. Wait a second. Is your phone on? Are you on speakerphone with someone? Who are you calling right now? I'm calling someone from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Is that wrong? No, you're not.

35:16That's a lie.

35:17Ben Mandelker: Wait, let me look at that. this is wait a second drama darling with amy phillips what the fuck are you doing she has an amazing podcast and she's my best friend she reached out to me and so now we're really good friends she's not just a podcaster i guess i shouldn't talk to her you know i said these things to your face okay well you know what you could apologize for going into her past emily i think that will be a good start so why don't you go i'm sorry okay because that's not it wasn't nice of you to do that emily okay and katie you could apologize for being an evil mean bitch who's trying to destroy all of us okay katie okay i'm hearing that i'm sorry and i probably could have done something different for my storyline thank you well i appreciate the apology but i don't have any trust in you and i will not be hugging you this coffee shop thank you very much yay yay oh we fixed it we fixed the timeline everyone it's all fixed yeah now we go all the way back to the golden door and and after even though they've had this very productive coffee where emily apologized for the reunion and katie kind of apologized emily is still not happy because you know what behind closed doors she's on the phone all the time trying to damage us she's trying to damage us as if emily has not been shady and dirty with all these things before in the past as well i mean this is i mean right yeah it is it's the it's the pot calling the kettle black for sure yeah so she's like i made a list of all the things that katie has done she lied about the paparazzi photo heather snubbing her at a party she she lied that she owned a home her own in san diego the conversation she had with gina where She said that Gina talked badly about Heather.

37:11Ben Mandelker: She lied about that. She and her daughter both lied about the things that my boys never did or said or whatever. She also said she had a Quiznos card that was three quarters full. But guess what? There's not a Quiznos in the state of lower South Carolina. I mean, South California. Or in Carolina. I know where they are.

37:33Ben Mandelker: Quizno. More like quiz. Yes, I know all the dirty truth. That was a stretch. I apologize. us. No, that was a good one.

37:49Ben Mandelker: I wasn't aware that we are going to be having a pop quiz today. No, this no is different.

37:58I'm more of a Jimmy John's kind of girl.

38:03Ben Mandelker: I would say I'm a Jersey Mike's, but I'm from Long Island. No, I don't. You're losing the thread, Gina. You're losing the thread. Heather's like, is there any sage around, or should I bring some from the giant mansion that I bought and tore down for no reason in front of Drake? I just have that much money to do that. Actually, I turned this asbestos into a bundle of sage. We just have to burn it and stay far, far away from it. I brought everyone a monogrammed hazmat suit. put it on over there in the bushes it's going to take a while for the asbestos to burn it's kind of one of its qualities but you know

38:50Ben Mandelker: so Shannon's like I am I am I am I am hear ye hear ye all of you who are not at the love hotel I am so happy that we are all here well I'm really mainly happy that I'm here. I'm not so happy that Tamara's here because I know that some of us have had some issues, but for me, I always come here to this place. It's a healed space. So my intention for today is to heal from all the damage that Tamara has caused me in my life. Okay. Does anyone else, has anyone else been hurt by Tamara? No? I have. I have. I came here also, me. Thank you, me. I'm going to take it over to I. I've been hurt. I had a list.

39:28Emily, you didn't tell me you were going to be doing a list. I love lists. I have a list of my own of all the things that Tamara has done. And I was planning on using it, but I guess I can't now because now, now, now, now, now, now it's not appropriate. All right.

39:43Ben Mandelker: Okay. Back to me. Thanks. Thanks for that update me. I just want to say on behalf of me and my other me, a few of us are going to be doing Taiko drumming and we are going to make sure that all the mallets are away from the heads and the skulls. Okay. Just want to just confirm that. And other people are going to go to the yoga studio and do Tai Chi. So if you thought you're going to the yoga studio to do yoga, guess what? You've been Tai Chi'd. You're going to do Tai Chi. So for drumming, we're going to have Katie, Emily, Jen, and I, and then the rest of you suckers, as I call it, are going to do Tai Chi.

40:17Ben Mandelker: Have fun doing non-yoga Tai Chi up there. Okay. Great job. Golden Door. Can I please sing the Richard Marks song again while you're playing the drums. No, this is about me. It's my time to do a drum solo. I love it. I love rock and roll. Unfortunately, Heather, you will be in a beatless room doing Tai Chi, which makes sense because that's about as good as you dance. All right, you can sing up there. Acapella. How dare you? All right. Well, I do whatever I want, whenever I want, with no explanation. but in this case i will agree to the tai chi so now they have it's like activity time so the tai chi people go upstairs to do tai chi the drum people go down to do drumming and shannon really gets into the into the drumming she is like wow she is she's like animal from the muppets

41:22Ben Mandelker: I mean it's too bad the blue man group Is closed because she would be perfect For that gig I do often feel blue Claire Can you get your paint out I'm ready to go Alright Claire I've been practicing And I'm ready to drum Some blue paint on a drum Paint me Claire do me so they do their tai chi and everything that i have flashbacks freshman year of college we had we actually had a pe requirement and so i signed up for tai chi because i thought it was martial arts but it was actually just this it was like literally balance the cup and move the ball and i did this for like 10 weeks of my life every whoa it was like twice a week i had to go to tai class and I hated it oh my gosh I did a lot of Tai Chi back in 1998 and um it was like move slowly move your body and there was just one point I was with all like the stoners and like this was like the stoner class all the people who were like you know they were just stoned they were just taking mushrooms before the class yeah and then there was me and I just remember one point we were all walking in this giant circle and just going slowly and I was like what am I doing here what this is how did my life turn out this way yeah and it was worth it just so i could have an anecdote during the tai chi scene on real housewives of orange county 20 years later thank god ben it all comes full circle yeah did you gain anything did you gain anything from it though i mean was there i mean you must be really good at it what i learned from tai chi is that i don't know if i can trust katie what is your rose and thorn about tai chi um that's so funny commercials here comes one right now

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43:55Ben Mandelker: So anyway, Tamara is, they're doing all this stuff. And then of course as is per the tradition of doing a wacky activity on a reality show you sit down afterwards you uh make sure the person who taught you these things goes to a far away room and then you talk shit about your castmates so katie is like um jen um how do you feel about seeing tamra and jen's like well i feel whatever thanks so much for asking thank you i really appreciate it and then tamra is we're going we're cutting back and forth and so tamra is like what is she so angry about because oh because i said how is the fbi doing because i said the fbi are coming because i said that ryan's embezzling that i said he should go to jail that i called like the tip line and called said the fbi why aren't you at this house yet cameras are here waiting for your raids god why is she overreacting i don't get it it's like disgusting how she's putting this on me it's like what did i do would I just go out and tell everybody that my company made way more than he even made when he stole money from that basketball player?

45:01What did I say? Did I say something rude?

45:04Ben Mandelker: Did I say something rude? Oh, I guess they're just going to sue me now because that's what they do. They're just like poor people trying to make an easy buck off of people like me so they can pay for their bikini weddings. I guess that's what it is. Can't embezzle from the baseball player anymore. Got to embezzle from the person who used to own a gym now person. person so that's i guess i guess that's me welcome me hello my name is somebody who's gonna get sued by them so yeah tamara's trying to paint them as like this litigious couple and jen's like i mean you know i know she's like on some time she goes she's on some sort of tyrant

45:47Ben Mandelker: she's on some tyrant lately where she's saying that we're a sue happy couple she's on some sort of tyrannosaurus rex right now i don't know like she's like she went on the tara bank show and she's like saying that we're sue happy

46:05she's like um she's like she's she's she's ordering a tyranny um a tyranny situation

46:13Ben Mandelker: she like went to like the capital of albania which as we all know is tyrania and was like what's going on with this sue happy couple I can't think of another one not a lot of tire tirade oh my god she like went she like went to like she went to the tire shop and was like tire shop she went she went and she was like, can I make some lemonade out of these tires? Can I call it tirade? And they said no. She said, well, good. Because I'd probably get sued because Ryan and I are apparently like sue happy. I don't know. Chen, if you're at the tirade, can you please fill my tires up with air? Because they really need them.

47:08Chen? Yeah, I'll see. Ryan can do that.

47:13Ben Mandelker: I mean as long as you are maybe I should talk to Tamara because if she has some sort of in with a tire merchant then maybe I can get that air it was a lot of it was a very bumpy ride over here if you're going to get air I could use the wind because it really breathes life into me you are you are I don't know if I'm Gina or Shannon right now all I know is that the golden door is golden door is golden dooring it is

47:46Ben Mandelker: you are the wind beneath my wings and I feel bad so you're so bad

47:55Ben Mandelker: did you ever know that you're my hero that's what I used to sing when I'd go to Quiznos

48:05Ben Mandelker: every time I'd pay for that foot long it'd get into my hands I'd say you're my hero now And then I was like, do you make heroes yet? Can I have a Mediterranean hero? Have you ever eaten your hero? They said don't meet your hero, but what happens if you eat your hero? And also, don't live with your hero and all their little heroes. And then don't leave and break up a blended family and then get back together. hi Gina I don't know if you're haunting us right now but could you please return to a mortal vessel because we have to have a group scene now okay great so they all get together I am here Whoopi Goldberg is there just

49:00Ben Mandelker: you're in danger girl so they all get together for the big group scene that's going to in the scene and they're making small talk about their activities. And I like that. They're all there. And Gina's saying, yeah, we did some Tai Chi. We really, we harnessed the moon and I'm, I feel bad because I brought the moon to earth. I don't think it wants to be here anymore. I feel so bad because the gravitational pull is going to suck. I'm sorry about the waves. Waves are going to be a mess. Oh no, I can't go boating. I, Earl, get off the waters. Just when I was about to try boating on a lake.

49:46Ben Mandelker: So Heather's like, Emily, did you feel calmer after you did your Tai Chi? Did you feel calmer about that? And I was like, yeah, now I only want to kill maybe two people. Oh, my gosh. so girls ladies i just want to say that i'm going to host a lunch on friday i feel like last year i didn't i you know i haven't gotten to know everyone very well and you guys didn't get to know me very well and there's a lot of things that are getting clouding you know that are clouding us so i just want to invite you all over for hot pot with some of my new friends who are bringing perhaps a zoom recorder and a microphone or two might be friends are those bloggers well they're friends first friends first then content creators are they podcasters well they are but they also love hot pot so I just felt like it would be rude not to invite them to the hot pot are they self stackers I'm not sure if I understand what that question is but I'm just going to say yes oh my god i just got a sub i got a stack of subs for travis

51:04Ben Mandelker: the heroes technically um uh i liked that when jen said i want to bite you all over for hot pot there was like a moment of like one of them was like hmm like yeah they didn't trust it right she had to say it twice she was like dinner can you guys come to my house for dinner I think one of them didn't understand like why are we going to go and look at a pot that's hot they didn't understand what that was they thought they were just going to be getting like a Dutch oven that was like on a burner for a long time right right yes totally so now it's like okay let's stop fighting so Gina's like you know I think the problem is these things that you're doing within the group it feels like you're trying to hurt all of us you know yes you have to stop with the bloggers.

51:51Ben Mandelker: Okay. We do not deal with bloggers. We deal with very famous Canadian rappers. That is okay. Bloggers, no. I mean, who are we? Wendy Malick, am I right? High five. High five anyone. I'll give it to you. Thank you. Okay. That hurt. That was a bit aggressive. I'm only going to kill two people and you're one of them. Okay. Well, you're you have to let go of my hand. Part of the high five is that you don't clasp on after you give the high five. No, this is hurting. My bones are brittle. My bones are brittle. No, I just developed a secret handshake with Drake. You can't do this to me.

52:30Ben Mandelker: Drake, I'm terribly sorry. I can no longer do our secret handshake. Please promise to keep it up while I heal so we don't forget it. Claire, we're going to need some ace bandages for Heather's wrists. Claire, I'm just getting no reception. so so uh they're all coming down on on katie and katie's like i mean she's like i i asked jen if she called me a con artist and she never called me a con artist and jen's jen has this really amazing work mental work around about how she is like okay with all this right yeah she's just sort of like how would you say how would you say that jen like she's like yeah i mean i mean everyone gets mad about Katie, but like, you know, you ask her like, what'd you do today?

53:18Ben Mandelker: And she's like, you know, I had dinner with the Obamas and just say, okay, like, you know, it's sort of like not true, but you just sort of accept it. Right.

53:27Ben Mandelker: These are not catastrophic things. Yeah. It's not like a big deal. It's not like she's lying about people's lives or children or, you know, anything that's important to us. It's just, you know, just little things here and there that you just let it just pass on by, you know, like the waves. Yeah. Yeah. She says like, you know, if you say, do you talk to bloggers? She says no, but that's because she thinks the bloggers are her friends. So she's, you know, that's, that's all. And so I just, I ask her questions and she gives me answers. I just leave it at that. It's kind of like with Ryan. I'm like, Hey, so, you know, you know how we're like, you know, how we're not able to afford that second box of Cheerios.

54:08why do we have the honeymoon sweetened at the bellagio um well because that it was just a it was available so um so that based on availability okay and i just say i just

54:21Ben Mandelker: accept that i accept it it's a good response i don't need to no further questions your honor no further questions it's so true she really does she just turns that blind eye and just keeps on walking she does which is why it's funny when she's like how is it that all these years we were friends with this person and now we're a target it's because you've put your blinders on right and it was like very like it's like obvious to everyone who knows tamra like watch out for this lady and she's like oh well thank you so much tamra you're so wonderful thank you yeah thank you and now all of a sudden she's accusing tamra of trying to get with ryan yeah yeah she's like i mean for years and years tamra was that person who would like go to ryan's house and be like oh look i'm in hot guy's house i'm in i'm in whoever whoever winds up marrying this guy's the luckiest woman alive house and like should i go upstairs and take one for the team you know because he's so sexy and he's like a really hot guy and he probably would totally not have a bathing suit wedding guy right

55:23Ben Mandelker: she loves telling the story about like how they are all like salivated like it's a very self-serving story like remember the day right when we used to like go over because he was so hot like he's such a hot guy so hot whoever whoever winds up with him is so lucky because he's so hot remember he actually would tell me talk about that oh my god oh and yes yes and still still he does have a good body but um heather is like basically jenna's like listen you're just like it's not that big of a deal and he was like emily's like no what are you talking about i hired an attorney okay i need to send a cease and desist for invasion of privacy and defamation and i have to pay an attorney who is very expensive, by the way.

56:02Ben Mandelker: And like, if you had ignored it in the first place, we wouldn't have been dealing with this. Like, how am I supposed to be? I've got to do it. How am I supposed to be with an attorney? I had to deal with this. Then I got to sit with you and be like, how's your life going? Okay, we're a golden door. How am I supposed to do it? Katie doesn't even say anything for like five minutes. Everyone's like, oh, God. Yeah. Well, I, for one, am uncomfortable when I see a bunch of people going after one person. Okay. So, and nobody is going after anybody. Okay. Cause after the reunion, it was very clear, no more digging up information.

56:37Ben Mandelker: Apparently we only dig up the tiles in my mansion that I destroyed for no reason, but it happened. It happened again. Okay. It's like every time Wendy Malick somehow lands a role and not me, I say, well, it happened again. Just when you think it's never going to happen again, it happens again. So can this please just not happen again? Wendy casting directors, please please i'm begging you i am begging you i am a good actress okay i live next to drake you have to put me in a role anything flow's got to take a break once in a while right i could do insurance i could do that i could be goofy i could wear white i could wear a headband put me in coach i don't want to do that role at all i definitely don't want to wear white i don't even know what that is i don't even understand what progressive even means an insurance who is flow yeah i was just doing lines from a scene just to show my talent.

57:31I have a script writer that just gives me new pages every five minutes.

57:37Ben Mandelker: It's also my maid. It's very handy having these two people. Well, it's one person doing two jobs, but I call them two people. Sometimes I say, now you are a screenwriter, write me a scene. Are people still here? Are people still listening to me? So basically she's like, yeah, we're not going to do this. And then you did this. And Tamra's like, yeah, now this girl's attacking me on social media and she said that you and matt called her i'm like it's bravo babe okay like it's not the biggest it's like it's a it's an instagram account like this is this is not like you're so much bigger than bravo babe why are you why are you concerned about what bravo babe is saying right it's wild they just they think that i mean things spread like wildfire yeah so they they know that the kindling starts with one account and then the next thing you know it's on queens of bravo yeah next thing you know so katie's like look i told tamra i want to prove to her i want to prove to you that i did not call this blogger podcaster instagram person and like okay well um show us show us well unfortunately i'm still using my sprint pcs phone from 2008 and i'm just not getting any service they were giving them away at the golf tournament um the garbage um the the garbage people they found a bunch of phones in the garbage and they use them for giveaways so i just have a plethora of old phones that i just feel like it's important to use i'm being green they they have a yes i'm being very green and they have a booth at the garbage invitational called hidden treasures of phoenix and you can just you just take what you want and i took this phone and i liked it a lot it's it's from someone clear it up katie clear it up open up your phone i just i don't have any service i'm so sorry i don't know what to tell you hold on let me try to nope is it oh i yes it does appear like i have service this is screenshot of instagram it's not an actual i'm not actually i don't have service i have full bars full bars so that I have even though it looks like I've got four bars on my screen Kaylee drew those on there as just that way I wouldn't feel out of the loop with my phone so I actually have no service right now Katie drew them on there I have no bars I'm sorry I'm terribly sorry I just can't look anything up just no bars I just don't have any bars yeah Shadon tries to help her out she's like well to be fair fair, I, after, after$12 ,000 in eight days, it turns out I had no service.

1:00:21Ben Mandelker: I had to use a land line. Now to be fair, it turns out the cell phone that I had brought in was a kind bar. So that didn't help. And, and, and to be fair, I, I turned off, I put it on airplane mode. So to be fair, I did not have a signal either. So. and to be fair the landline was me going down to the earth here and screaming into it and saying god damn it john jansen so it was a drill line in the ground true line on the land to be fair i took two paper cups and put a string in between them and had claire on one end and i said Tallahassee 124 Tallahassee 124 pick up and then she said I can't hear you so I said red leather yellow leather red leather yellow leather my addiction might be off she said and then it turns out turns out that we weren't actually even using a plastic cup because I those do off gas we were actually just using two empty bottles of whiteout strung together by a piece of yarn

1:01:35i see bars signals i i i'm in your instagram account right now katie i can see it

1:01:45Ben Mandelker: katie i'm in your dms i'm walking in your dms i'm playing tron i am motorcycle in your dms i'm here here here someone please get me out of katie's phone i found kind bars i found the bars she has four of them she stops drumming she's like well that was a trip this all happened while she was drumming yeah this scene never happened never happened who that taiko that taiko drumming was wild wild wild so basically yes it ends with them saying like, Katie, uh, if you want to exonerate yourself, pull it up, pull up, pull up the, pull up the account. And she's like, I, I, I don't, I just, Oh, whoops.

1:02:36Ben Mandelker: I have no service. Oh no. I, um, I did speak to Verizon and they said that my service will be restored by Friday at the hot pot. So I will definitely have the receipts ready and everything deleted by then okay great oh my god that's so good i've never seen i mean well we have seen some blatantly lied to us but that was pretty obvious that she was just so full of it i loved every minute of it yeah it's like she's like blatantly lying she's blatantly messy and yet i'm still on her on her side for some reason i love it i love the drama drama darling drama thank you for staying your way way longer than you should have like i'm so sorry that i feel like i made it longer than we should have but no it's my fault it's my pleasure i'm totally ronnie's away and i'm out of control i did a two-hour episode yesterday for miami oh my god that's so funny well anytime you want to do a two-hour app i just have the best it's like a it's like gina's voice it's a roller coaster ride of emotion and fun so i'm here for it you're so you made me laugh i'm i like the reason why it went so long is honestly i just had so much fun talking me too i know i love it i wanted you it could have been longer too like it could it really could have been honestly it really could have been in fact we're making it longer actively like the episode's over and we're just congratulating ourselves now um thank you everyone for listening remind tell people where they can find you again give all your social media well tell them where they can dm you if they're katie dm me at at at me at meet amy phillips um and you can listen to drama darling uh anywhere you get your podcasts so just look for that and uh subscribe follow and um and then there's more content on patreon so great yeah great thanks so much well everyone go sign up for Amy's Patreon and subscribe to Drama Darling because if you think she's funny here, you don't even understand how funny she is over at Drama Darling.

1:04:40Ben Mandelker: Okay? You will never know. You'll never know because they're not going to go. They're like, stop. They're like, we've been here for two hours already and now you want us to go listen to more content? Stop. Anyway, well, I do consider you both a well, you're not a blogger. You're a podcaster, but you are a friend and I adore you. I love you. and thanks for coming on the show and we have to have you back again sooner with Ronnie as well. All three of us will get together and do some fun stuff. Oh, that'd be awesome. Okay. It'd be great. All right. Thanks so much, Amy. And bye, everyone. Have a great weekend.

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1:10:30Plug in a Zivo flying insect trap so you can work smarter, not harder, and actually enjoy your time at home.