#2923 Crappy Hour: Denise Divorce, Brock Infidelity, and The Hot Men of Kings Court

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1:16Ben Mandelker: But actually, it's way more annoying than that. You call up, and then there's an appointment. and it's in six weeks. It needs to be easier. It needs to be simpler. And sometimes you just have questions about your energy levels, your sleep, your diet, hormones, supplements, long-term health goals, and you don't really get real answers. But now there's Superpower. Yes, Superpower is a membership that includes 150 plus biomarkers every year across two tests, one baseline test and one progress check. It's a retest to see how your health is changing over time. That's way more information than what you're going to get during a normal doctor's visit.

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2:22Ben Mandelker: Watch what crappens Watch what crappens Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens Watch what crappens Watch what crappens Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. It's crappy hour and I'm Ben Mandelker And I could not be more honored and delighted than to have the wonderful and beautiful Kiki Monique here filling in for Ronnie Karam. Hi, Kiki. How are you? I'm great. How are you? I am fantastic. I'm so happy to see you. I've been seeing a lot of you over the past few weeks. We saw each other at the Watcher Crappens, end of concert, not concert, end of podcast or rap party.

3:12Ben Mandelker: And then more importantly, the two of us shared a bagel together in Los Angeles. We did a bagel Friday, bagel Thursday crossover experience. And it was so fun. So much fun. Did you enjoy the bagel? I mean, the bagel was delicious. I actually had a bagel today. Utopia. I'm in New York. One of the best bagels ever in New York. Oh, you are so lucky. Everyone in the comments is saying hello. If this is your first time joining us here on Crappy Hour, what we do is we talk sort of about bravo goss etc maybe the extended world of bravo um for about 45 minutes or so um but we also are going to talk about some of the shows and then we turn it over to you and we'll just call you guys up so as we approach that 45 minute mark i'm going to put a link in on uh it'll be in the comments i think it's going to be on on youtube only, unfortunately, not for Instagram.

4:08Ben Mandelker: And we will call you up to join. So if you want to participate later on the episode, be sure to join us on YouTube because this is going to YouTube and Instagram. Before we get started, Kiki, do you want to tell everyone where they can find you and listen to your beautiful voice? Yeah, you can always find me on Instagram and TikTok at the talk of shame. And you can hear me weekdays with Dorinda Medley on Radio Andy. We host Reality Checked every day at 4 p.m. Eastern. I mean, what a cool thing that you get to host a show with Dorinda Medley herself. I mean, when you got the call, when you were told like, guess what?

4:42Ben Mandelker: You're going to be hosting with Dorinda. Like, what was that moment like for you? I mean, I was just kind of like, I'm ready, coach. Put me in. I was like, this is what I've been building up. I've been watching TV my entire life. I've learned everything about reality TV and pop culture. This is what I'm made for. This is the moment. This is the moment. Alvy in the comments says, what is your favorite bagel? I am a sesame bagel girly. What about you, Kiki? I love an onion bagel, you know, lox and cream cheese and, you know, all the things on a nice onion bagel. You really, you really cannot go wrong.

5:15Ben Mandelker: Okay, so while we wait for, people are still coming in. They're arriving into our virtual room here. So before we do that, before we dive into like the really big headlines as people arrive, I just want to touch base. How are you feeling about this day at Bravo? What's on right now? How are any hot takes on some of the big shows that are airing Next Gen or The Valley, etc.? Tell me everything. I feel like there had been a little bit of a dry spell just not too long ago. And so I'm very excited because I actually feel like every night I'm looking forward to something. I know people have their opinions about the McBee Dynasty, but I love that show.

5:55So I'm happy that's on Mondays. Obviously, The Valley and Next Gen NYC has been appointment TV.

6:02Ben Mandelker: Miami is amazing. And now Orange County is back. Like I'm, I'm pretty much in heaven and I actually just watched King's court. I'm obsessed with that. Cause I got two of the episodes and screeners. I'm obsessed already. Let's talk about that for a second because I watched it as well because I mean, it's, you know, it's, it's what's his face. Why am I all of a sudden blanking on his name? Thank you. I almost said Tyrese. I was like, it's not Tyrese. tyson beckford i mean he is after all these years you just like watch me like he is gorgeous like the people who the women who got to be on this show who just like guess what you're gonna be on a dating show and you might be dating tyson beckford the most famous male model of all time are you kidding me yeah yeah i would be like i watch it as well okay wait so tell me what did you think about it what did you think about the premiere like and which guy do you like the most you know I actually like all three guys because I think they're so different in their own ways that I feel like it's a really good mix and um I think they have a really I I think the women that they have is really interesting I like the setup where you know I like how they're dating and they you know because I always love chaos I like when it's like yes you have an idea of who you want to be with but if that guy's feeling someone else then you can kind of move over here and like everyone's I just I love the whole setup again I feel like I'm a little bit because I'm ahead because I watched episode two episode two made me the biggest fan but really yeah because I thought episode one was nice I enjoyed it um I didn't think it was like I didn't think it was like life-changing and in fact I thought when they went on their dates it was kind of annoying I liked when they were talking and schmoozing I think I'm like right now in a love island state where I just want to see people talk because like when they went skydiving or when they went to that paint class.

7:54Ben Mandelker: I was kind of like, I don't know. It's just very reality showy. And I'm like, I'm not, I don't believe anyone's building any sort of relationship here. But I did. The guys are so hot. They're so hot. Yeah, no. I can see how the dates got cringe, but the true colors, especially of one of the particular women, comes out in episode two. And then that's when you see, okay, we're in a competition now because they're introducing more women. So it's not just going to be those women for the whole time. Yes, that makes me excited. I and all three guys were very interesting because Tyson arguably has been in the public eye the longest, I think, of these three.

8:34Ben Mandelker: So he's actually, I find, very comfortable there. Carlos is a bit more. I mean, they've all been in the public eye a lot. But Carlos is much, much more like a yogi spiritual guy, too, which surprised me. and then Tyson I mean I think that like not Tyson Titus is he's so hot like I mean I love a muscular guy and he um but he's a little cheesy I'm like a little concerned my cheesy meter's going off a bit but I do like him I do like him and like I'm still trying to get a vibe on him but what I do like is he's very honest about you know what it means to be a big black man And, you know, and there's white women in the house.

9:16And like, I love that he's willing to have those conversations because I think that is important. And so I kind of like that aspect. And then, yeah, yeah, Carlos, I think, is the basketball player. Of course, you know, basketball players have a reputation. But, you know, we'll see how that goes.

9:32Ben Mandelker: We'll see. I mean, that one that one lady, the white lady who's like, oh, yes, I've totally dated black men. And my two parents are senators in Tennessee. And guess what? I did not date black men. I just have never done it. I was like, lady, if you think you're staying on this show, because she's like, oh, my parents are so accepting of everyone. I was like, okay, let's wrap it up. She's in Tennessee and yes, senators. I was like, do I want to Google this? Do I want to see what he voted for? Because I don't think this is going the right way. Lady, the sooner you're off the show, the better for you.

10:06Ben Mandelker: Just trust us. But yeah, I thought it was fun. I don't know if we're going to recap it or not, but I'm definitely going to, I mean, I really am. I might just watch it just because those guys are so attractive. Like, is that such a, I'm like, it's, it sounds almost silly, but like they're very pleasant to look at. Yeah, no, I'm, I'm, I'm into it. You know, I hope, I hope it keeps up. We'll see what happens. But again, I think episode two was why, why I was like, okay, I'm going to watch this for the ratchet, ratchetness of it. Okay. I'll check in on it. And you know, you just did just say that you also are in support of the McBee dynasty.

10:40Ben Mandelker: I have to say, I haven't watched tonight's episode yet. I've watched the first two where I struggle is actually not the subject matter. You know, I'm, you know, I'm all liberal and stuff, but I, I'm fine watching like the Cowboys and the, and the farm stuff and everything. I don't mind that. I just have trouble with the way the show is actually made. I feel like it just feels like really cheap to me. And like, I think maybe, maybe I have to push through, uh, the, the trappings of the show, but it just, it really does not feel like a Bravo show to me. and I'm really struggling just with how it's presented, you know?

11:13Well, that's the thing because, you know, I really became a fan. Like the production company, Jeff Jenkins Production Company, is the same production company that does Mormon Wives. And so like when they did Mormon Wives, I started following them because I was like, oh, I really love the first season. And then they did McBee and I was like, I really love the first season of that. My fear, because I do fear this is what is happening with the Mormon Wives and my fear is what might happen with McBee is that they push it too hard on us and we get oversaturated with too much of it too soon. Like, I feel like the Mormon wives are being inundated us on a way that like, it shouldn't happen like that.

11:46Like, and so I'm scared because I'm like, I really want to enjoy it, but I don't want to be pushed into it.

11:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, the saving grace is that there are a lot of people in the McBee dynasty to make fun of, which is really where Ron and I, that's our sweet spot, are just like, just idiots. If there are people that we can really, really make fun of, I'm not sure. I'm not sure that it's a problem for us but just in terms of like casually watching I was like oh I feel this is a little tough for me right now but you know I don't want to yuck on people's yums even though you know it's a bit of a struggle for me right now so anyway let's talk a little bit of let's talk about some stuff that's going on in the world of Bravo and beyond this is in no particular order I just you know these are some of the big big ticket items in the gossip world.

12:37Ben Mandelker: Denise Richards. Divorce. Denise and Aaron. I thought they were a forever couple. I mean, I thought they kept their magnets aligned and this was going to work out for them. What happened, Kiki? Where's this all going? I blame his family because I, because there's no reason they should ever break up, especially him. He's, he's living on a gravy train. there's no reason he would ever want to leave denise she doesn't want to get divorced again she's like comfortable so she's happy so it has to be that family that's living in one of the condos that she bought that's exactly what i thought because like literally i was thinking about it's like those that there's there's a whole bunch there's a whole family of freeloaders that have taken over their house that have been there since the pandemic because the only way you could be spending ten thousand dollars in groceries is if you are buying it for that many people because Because like$105 ,000 monthly nut, okay?

13:34You're paying for so many people. And I get it. Like she probably is, you know, taking care of her daughters. Because you know what? Lola works at a coffee shop.

13:44Ben Mandelker: She's like in a coffee shop and she has like a, you know, a very like spiritual taco Tuesday that she does. And then the other one, remember that when she was like, Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this taco Tuesday. and the other one's doing only yeah it has to be it has to be because it seemed like everything was fine but then he hasn't been working apparently for the past few months I think that's what I read as much as like conning like rich people in Malibu to go to his like facility and like have magnets put on them whatever to test for cancer like as much as that is a job I don't think that he has a huge amount of income but the thing is that I don't think Denise would even care about that.

14:26Ben Mandelker: And in fact, I was reading that Teddy and Erica have come to the defense of Denise. Because they said on Two Tees on a Pod, like, yeah, Denise does not want a divorce. She wants to make it work all the way to the end. So I think they, I may be misspeaking, but I think they are predicting that Aaron decided to make this call. Do you think Aaron would do this? That would be very foolish of him unless he knew that he could get a big alimony settlement because that's the danger of keeping a kept person is once you get them acclimated to that lifestyle, yes, you technically have to keep them in that lifestyle.

15:08Now, I will say they don't have any kids together unless he adopted Eloise, which I don't think he did, but I don't know. Otherwise, they don't have any kids together. So it's like typically judges, I think, say you have to maintain that lifestyle because if the kids come over, they expect a certain lifestyle as well.

15:24Ben Mandelker: Right. I shouldn't have to maintain your lifestyle just because you like it. Yeah. I mean, this is the most predictable outcome for this guy. I mean, he is, he's like a grown ass himbo, you know, he's, he's like hot. And you know, like when he was younger, he just, you know, he was probably like a pool boy. Like he would have been on Love Island if given the chance back in like 1995, whenever. And you know, he, he like probably just slept his way around throughout, throughout like Los Angeles. I'm not saying he did. I'm just saying like, he just seems like the type we've all seen them around the city.

15:56Ben Mandelker: These like hot guys that are like personal trainers and whatever. And they just go from like, you know, they're just like hired hands to go around. and you know he eventually like has enough of these ladies uh that he's able to build a client base to go to his whatever whatever that whatever that company is that he had where he had metals or magnets or whatever he's able to do this full-on fraudulent business and then like he's gonna like attach himself onto a star and then divorce and get that money like i think is like the most obvious prediction and the best part is you know in like two years they're going to reboot Denise Richards you know and her wild things and it'll be like well Aaron's coming over we're a divorce he sucked me dry but you know family is family so Sunday night dinners am I right?

16:47See I more hope that since they're already you know trying to cast this next gen LA I would love to just have Sammy and Lola be casted for next gen LA we know the parents come in occasionally then And we get to see Denise, you know, interacting with her daughters while they're not talking. But then we get to hear her backstory that way. And I just feel like we keep the story going that way.

17:11Ben Mandelker: Speaking of Next Gen LA, the most important question of our time is who do you think should be on Next Gen LA? I think I read that the Dubros were pushing to have one or two of their kids. I'm sure they want Nicky. Nicky, he's a realtor now with the Altman Group. He has to be on this show. He's just fabulous. uh but what other kids are there i guess probably i want brandy glanville son because i want yeah i want to see that happening um yeah like i said denise richards daughters i would like to see cynthia i would like to see what noelle is up to because i just feel like yeah like she would be like the riley of the group like kind of just like but i don't know again like i do want there to be connection of some some way shape or form because i think that's why nyc is working pretty well who else lives in la i mean there has to be like the la people that work for entertainment that we don't know yet that yes there's all those people i don't want really any of kyle's daughters i'm just sort of like i'm over there no they can do that we see them on yeah we don't need we don't need them and by the way in the comments please weigh in on who you'd like to see on next gen la because i would love to hear that i'm trying to think is there anyone from shaw's son no no one from Shaza Sunset is of age.

18:24Their kids aren't old enough yet.

18:27Ben Mandelker: I'm just imagining Kyle Richards putting a little beret on Portia and putting her face full of makeup and be like, go, you can be 22. You can do it. You can play older. I said none of Kyle Richards' daughters, but actually Portia could actually, because she's right on the precipice. How old is she now? Like 17? I think she's 17. She's probably not old enough yet. I need them to be at least 21 and get a little bit of ratchet. Someone on Instagram, Alton said, Summer Moon. I'm just imagining Sheena. Because Sheena would do that. She would dress up Summer Moon like she was in Clueless or something and be like, yeah, she's totally eligible.

19:04Ben Mandelker: I'm just imagining all these like fame craved people here just like trying to make their kids look older. What about, what about, are the Hamlin sisters too old? Which sounds crazy. Interesting, interesting. They're not too old, but I do think that they're too, like, cool. I don't like either too famous. Like, they're like. Yeah. They don't need it. They sort of do need it. That would be a good one. No, but that would be a good one. I would like to see them. Yeah. Someone asked, how old are Adrian's kids? Yeah. Adrian Maloof might. Well, she said that she was, she said that her sons were contact.

19:41It was, it was Cynthia Bailey and Adrian. They said that, you know, they were both contacted. But so I could see Adrian. I don't know what, like, Adrian has what?

19:49Ben Mandelker: three sons i think so and by the way taylor armstrong i think that madison his name is madison right okay there's an armstrong child okay i can see that um is there a grammar that's around oh like a younger grammar a younger grammar maybe a post camille grammar that is that is in there i don't know i this is actually like my favorite game now is to try to think about all the the children that are like circulating around there really are not as many on on these shows I mean Orange County uh because people could come up from Orange County because if Gia can come in from New Jersey to be in New York City we can get some Orange County types which I just think there needs to be casting though that like because there's kids that literally are in LA that like are from very famous families that we've never seen before because they've just been behind the scenes and so we need a couple of those for just like that actual LA flavor yeah siri cruz i'm gonna say it right yes oh my god she's in new york now though right she's a new york no problem whatever we like she can reunite with daddy um okay i still want to hear more oh god someone said gina's daughter gina's daughter is too old and i feel like would not i feel like gina's she's like married to like a football player yeah she's like three kids yeah yeah she's fine um my everyone is going off in the comments this is hilarious someone suggests francois van kempen i mean like braun has a bunch of kids i know okay um well let's let's move on from that i still would like to entertain everyone's thoughts maybe we'll do something on social media like okay accept accept solicitations for everyone can can be um agents for these children and you can you can act on their behalf um and advocate for them It's time for a commercial.

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24:08Ben Mandelker: So speaking of speaking of children, speaking of LA. Wow. So the news came out that while Sheena was married, was, I'm sorry, pregnant with future next gen LA star Summer Moon that Brock cheated on her. And he only told her because as she tells it in her memoir that she was reaching for the remote to turn on Real Housewives of New Jersey. And Brock said, wait a second, I've got something serious to tell you. Which by the way, great timing. Before we watched the Real house was new jersey okay before we get into this let me just set the tone yeah i cheated on you what did you think about all this oh it's just like it's so gut-wrenching because like i like i start thinking forward because i start thinking okay is this person gonna come forward right and like i hope this is the only person that comes forward right like i hope you were very honest and you told her everything and like i just like start thinking of just like all the terrible things and i feel the worst because like you know sheena is the one that's going to have to like deal with this even though obviously people are like shitting on brock as they should because like it's terrible like the fact that she has to like deal with this like she always like the thing about sheena it's like people they they feel so type of way about her like they'll always attach things like i think that people will show up with rubik's cubes at places you know now just because you know what i'm saying just because because just just to clarify that she explained that uh she's like i was so in shock i wanted to scream but summer moon was sleeping i didn't want to wake up summer moon so i walked away and then i came back and i slapped him across the face and i threw a rubik's cube at him but he dodged it i was like of course the most the most hurt like i'm just imagining the scene of the godfather where talia shire like destroys all the plates in the house when she finds out about Sonny's infidelity, but then Sheena's version is, I threw her Rubik's Cube and that settled that.

26:18Yeah, but it's like now, because you go back now, because I think Bravo Investigator has been replaying scenes from season 11 now with a different lens knowing this, and it is now interesting to go back to Vanderpump Rules and see, because there were arguments that Sheena and Brock were having that you felt were like, this doesn't feel like a real argument, and you realize, oh, that's because there was this whole other layer that none of us even knew about that's right they did yeah well because it

26:45Ben Mandelker: was um i'm trying to remember when so the season god it's hard it's all a blur this was like before like the season where he cheated was before scandival right i should know this because i actually just read sheena's yeah it's i guess it happened during covid right so they had felt like it happened during covid while she was pregnant and then yeah by the time they came back for season nine or ten they had already she had already had summer moon yeah so it had to have happened before that and then season 11 was when he told her i think right before season 11 is that i think that's the something i think that's what it was i i don't know i um you know it's like i it's like i feel bad for sheena but she's also like she just basically launched this right into the press like so i am going on to chelsea devontes's podcast which you did but also glorious trash yeah and uh that podcast is all about um talking about celebrity you know memoirs etc and so uh i was recruited for sheena's which is coming out next week and there was a chapter towards the end of the galley that we had that was like we we were not given a chapter it said the truth shall be revealed and so i was trying to guess what it was but i did not think that i thought i thought it was good i thought it'd be something about scandiball or mass singer but it was this it was this bombshell revelation so she like went out of her way to like not only like withhold it but to make sure it had as big of like a splash as possible and you know what she should because she's trying to sell those books like that's what it is but like you know sheena always winds up in these in these shit storms but like she's also like the shit storms are like you know they're funding.

28:29Ben Mandelker: The shitstorms are with intention, you know? No, like, that's why, honestly, like, I when I look at how she's able to sort of, like, stay relevant, market herself, like, I think it's actually genius. I think it's, like, a smart way to do it. And, like, she's gonna have haters. She's gonna have people who love her. And then, like, but, like, she just, she's just good at what she does. And I think that, like, I can't not, I don't ever knock anyone's hustle. Like, Like, you know, like if you're good at what you do, I respect it. Yeah, she goes for it. Yeah, her autobiography, which I think you read it also as well.

29:06Ben Mandelker: Did you get a galley? It's really something. It's really something special. I really highly recommend it to everyone to read. I say that like if you, for me, because I'm like a pop culture, like I have grown up. It's all I like. I wanted to go to L.A. when I was a kid and just like, you know, the whole like when TMZ was literally called 30 Mile Zone, you know, I was like that person. I was like, it was so cool then. The fact that she was there during that time and you get to hear all the stories of her in that time. And she's a hot young girl in that time. My experience would have been different during that time because I wouldn't have been a hot white girl during that time.

29:45Ben Mandelker: I was here during that time. And I can tell you my experience was very different as well. I was an awkward closeted gay man. and i had a very different experience but it was kind of amazing you know she tells stories like very sort of like surface level stories about like and then i went to joseph's nightclub and i was like really fun i would go in there and i met up with a friend and then she was like really nice and started working at like a cigar club and like we just had like a really fun time together because i'm such a people pleaser like every chapter just ends with her announcing that she's a people pleaser which is not unlike the tv show how do you feel by the way how do you feel about sheena's presence on the valley this season because a lot of people are like get her out of there no sheena on the valley no i mean like i think that that it's so like in scenes that makes sense she's connected there would be no reason she wouldn't be at certain of these parties because she's legitimately friends with these people so it actually be kind of weird if she wasn't showing up to some of these parties um and so i think it makes sense and honestly like she's always going to say the thing that keeps it moving it's like she just says just enough to be like because the fact that like jesse's girlfriend even told her that story that she was able to relay i always say to her like i don't know what your magic potion is that people just tell you things but please i want it because people just like they just spilled beans there's something about her that she gets people comfortable and they just start telling her things she is very disarming i will say um uh speaking of the valley the valley is white hot right now it is it is like compelling compelling tv what are your thoughts on this season and also someone was like kiki has to explain fan it so do you want to explain what needs to be explained you know it's so funny because i feel like i explain it but i i feel like the minute i say that i'm i am friends with janet they they stop listening so i like i can't go on i guess i should start this is over crappy the hour is over we're canceling it i'm loving the valley is it very dark and heavy yes and are there things where i just like obviously recoil and cringe at absolutely do i am i a janet apologist by no means but that said i think janet herself would admit like she looks at it and says like oh my god i can't believe i did that like i you know like i can't speak for her but i have to imagine she looks at it and is like this is not cool here's the thing about me and i feel like you could kind of i'm not going to throw you in this ben but i feel like you could say this too i would love to be thrown into something so like you know that you've met people in real life and you've seen them on shows and the two people don't align always yeah i have met people that i see online everyone's like my fave this person's she's a queen all this stuff and i've met them in person and they were assholes okay i always take like how people treat me personally that's how i unless you do me wrong I have no reason to say that so in this case the Janet that I see on screen is not the person that I meet like when we hang out is not that's the person I know so until she does me personally wrong I'm not going to say the stuff she does on screen should change my opinion of her because again I've seen people who are on screen are like the nice as pie and in my face have been total dicks you know so i'm kind of like i know that this is like the magic of television so until she does something and i'm also i would i would love to have a friend like me i'm a loyal ass friend i'm a sagittarius i'm like you know what like if you're on death row i'm gonna like i'm gonna show up like you might be put to death i won't do that i'm a sag but i'm not gonna do this i'll be like well it was great knowing you like so by the way do you have your house keys because do i have to water your plants what do you have a plan for your plants like i'm not gonna be susan sarandon sitting there at the glass putting my fingers up and being like no um that's a nice 30 year old reference to dead man walking but um uh i i agree i've definitely found that there is like an interesting dichotomy uh i am privileged to this is a case where I actually don't know Janet and so I can actually form my opinion purely off of TV which is always fun to be able to do and I don't hate Janet as much as everyone else does I think she's like a really fun villain and I just think that like anyone who is like a fun villain I always sort of secretly like because I enjoy villainy and I think that villainy has a place on Bravo shows and people get so mad and they should because we need our villains and like without our villains our shows fall flat hello So Roni reboot.

34:38Ben Mandelker: So like I, I, so I like Janet in the way that she's like a villain for us. And I, I just just like her as this kind of like plain Jane villain that just comes into our lives. All in beige. No, not like this beige villain who comes in and drives everyone nuts. I think that's such an amazing phenomenon. So I'm like, I mean, I'm happy with it. I'm happy with Janet, the state of the state of the villainy. and someone in the comments here said something which i really like which is she said kiki can like janet i refuse to and i think that's what it's all about when you watch these shows i think like like we're allowed to like different people and hate different people and like it's about like you know having fun with that that like that gap and like trying and picking your sides and just you know like as long as you don't take it too seriously right yeah no that's the thing like i i like my favorite part when i'm on reality check is when callers call in and absolutely disagree with me.

35:31Like it's more fun that way. I just like, you know, believe it or not, my feelings get hurt very easily. Like as like, you're forced to like have this sort of like persona of like, I work in media, like I can't let anything, but I get my feelings for hurt very easily. I don't care if you disagree with me. And I love that when we disagree, I hate when you like discount my whole like reputation and personality is like, you don't know what you're talking about. And I don't even know why I listen to you. because if you like that girl then you must not know anything about anything i'm like what because of what of one disagreement we have all of a sudden all of my experience goes out the window

36:07Ben Mandelker: yeah and also the thing is like if people change their minds because like people may hate janet this season and the next season people say you know what i kind of like janet i think she's kind of like funny and like that's cool too by the way and you're totally allowed to do that but like if there's someone that i like kind of secretly like and um or i enjoy on the show or whatever or especially if I know them and then I kind of like cater to what other people say because other people hate them. And then you, especially if you know them and then you might actually kind of burn a personal relationship.

36:37Ben Mandelker: And then all of a sudden the audience is like next season likes the person and then you've now burned a relationship and you know, like, like that's kind of as a bummer. So like you just, just stand in your truth regardless of what everyone says. And again, I think that's like the fun part. I mean, love Island just wrapped up and so much of love Island is like picking your favorites and going with it and you know over the past few episodes here on crap it's while ronnie's been away some of our guests have been i've been very pro ace and i'm very anti-ace and people are upset people are like really upset that like that like there's like oh my god how could you bring on a pro ace person but i'm like this is the fun like this is the fun of reality tv is like going back and forth and like figuring it all out you know it is like i don't even know again my i didn't watch love island but my producer would just do recaps which i felt like i have watched the whole thing but everything i knew about ace i was like i don't like that guy like yeah no i can't stand him for the record i can't stand him can't stand this guy um uh so by the way so now going on to something else entirely but like sort of in the same realm of where we're talking about did you hear that there's a new beverly hills cast member or rumored i don't know if it's a rumored confirmed or whatever but uh we have a newbie that was i think spotted filming with everyone in sedona Arizona yeah I saw that you know I never know what to believe because I'm always like also people could just sometimes show up on trips it doesn't mean they're necessarily a full-time cast member but you know yeah this is Christine Blackman who is Kyle Richards friend how do you feel about this where do you stand on Kyle Richards by the way are you like pro Kyle are you anti Kyle does it make you excited that Kyle has a friend or does it make you angry that she has backup okay Okay.

38:20So not to make this, I don't want to turn everything into a long story, but I have a background story sometimes for my reasoning. You have to. Do it. I've gone back and forth with Kyle because the show's been on so long. I loved Kyle when she came on. When Brandy came on though and her and Kim bullied her, I was like, I hate the Richards sisters. Screw them. Whatever, whatever. And then recently I've just kind of like, she's like the longest running housewife. She's there. And I don't know. I don't know if I had a feeling. I get invited to this event where It's at the Beverly Hills Hotel. And I'm told it's a very small event.

38:52And they invited maybe like eight influencers. And they say, we're going to be watching an episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with one of the Beverly Hills Housewives. And I was like, oh, how fun at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Great, whatever. Now, I work in media. So I got the screener of the episode. So I was like, let me watch it before because I had to go on air the next day. And I knew if we watched it in a group, I wouldn't be paying attention. So I was like, let me watch the episode before I get to the hotel so I can know what happens. Yes. I watched the hotel. it's the episode where we find out Kyle's friend had died by suicide.

39:23So I was like, Oh my gosh.

39:24Ben Mandelker: I was like, this is crazy. Why would they make this the watch party? Okay. Go on. I don't know if it had just been preplanned or whatever, and they didn't know what episode it was going to be. So I, so I immediately go, well, clearly Kyle is not going to be the housewife. Cause that would be crazy. Right. Get to the hotel. Who shows up? Kyle. I literally, my heart sinks. Cause I'm like, we are going to have to watch this episode together. But she comes in and she didn't even know it was going to be that episode. And so she says to us, she's like, you know, I just watched the episode and I just found out.

39:54Anyways, all I'm going to say is like we watched the episode together. You know, the eight, ten of us in the room, like she had her friend, you know, we're crying. We're like, anyways, it felt like a very healing moment. She probably doesn't even know my name. But what I'm saying is in that moment, I feel like anybody else would have just canceled the night. the fact that she stayed and watched this with us with some strange, eight strange influencers who she had no idea it made me I don't know, it changed my opinion of her because again I think that she could have easily said, I gotta go

40:26Ben Mandelker: Right, she kept her obligation to you guys, which was, I guess that is commendable, or it's just speaks to Kyle's you know, like her dedication to controlling the narrative of her story but um i i i think you know i i know what you're saying i think yeah that is actually you know that's that's a tough one to watch with like with with quote unquote the bloggers the bloggers you have to be aware of beware of the bloggers that's the big story in orange county these days did you like the premiere by the way of orange county i did i think there was like a lot like i think like people who don't spend a lot of time chronically online like we probably do maybe needed a little bit of like a catch up to be like what's happening but i felt like we can kind of we kind of got through that and well i hopefully we'll move through the rest of the season you know yeah yeah there was like a little bit of whiplash as i was like trying because it was like three different like scandals happening with like bloggers and podcasters who seem to be and content creators who seem to all just be lumped into this category of bloggers um but i was like okay but i i love that i feel like bravo didn't actually really promote orange county uh its return very strongly which is just surprising to me i just felt like i saw so much stuff for mcb and like nothing for miami nothing for oc and i just need like bravo to remember where where the where the milk with the cow was what is it where the milk is milked yeah no i agree like the promotion by mcb has been very very heavy yeah yeah yeah like way too heavy i think um but anyway Anyway, going back to Beverly Hills, did you see this crazy rumor that has been shot down, but in my mind, I'm still holding on hope that it actually is true about Faye Resnick and Jennifer Tilly?

42:11Yes, I know. I hope it's true, too.

42:15Ben Mandelker: So do you want to tell people what you've heard about the rumor, et cetera? The rumor is that supposedly Jennifer Tilly and Faye Resnick get into it to a point where Jennifer Tilly smashes a glass. And I don't remember the exact line. She says something about like, you don't know who you're messing with. What was the line? Yeah, it was like, you don't know who you're messing with, Resnick, or something like that. Which, when you hear that, like, can I hear Jennifer Tilly doing that? Absolutely. As a joke. Like, where they're somewhere, you know, and, like, they have some fun and it's, like, a fun thing that happens.

42:54I can't imagine her ever doing that as a serious thing.

42:58Ben Mandelker: I know. I can't. And they both came out, like, relatively quickly and were like, no. Like, we love each other. We, like, I can't think of someone better in the world. Which, you know, I don't know if that's true. But they both were like, we did not get into a fight. And I'm like, you know what? Like, maybe, like, take, like, we all got excited by it. So maybe consider it. the season is not done i you know like be open be open to getting into an altercation because i think i would really enjoy a tilly versus resnick fight because that's the thing like there's a lot there are some accounts who just post full-on lies like just for clicks like and you know right away sometimes though there is a truth to it but it's not in the way that we have heard it like it's been a game of telephone so like obviously the cast members don't want storylines spilled because it makes the season more fun anyway so it's like if there was an event where something like that happened let's just see if it plays out because it could just be like it could have been a joke and like you know who knows what it could have been yeah i um uh yeah someone in the comments just said we'll never see drama like that on beverly hills again i mean i i i yeah that's probably true i mean uh you know the days of rinna smashing that glass in amsterdam was pretty epic I would love to have a big dramatic moment like that again on Beverly Hills, but they really are, they are so, they just operate in such a mannerly way, like quote unquote mannerly way.

44:28Ben Mandelker: Even when they are yelling at each other, like you're not going to get, you're not going to get that moment on that franchise. You'll get it on Salt Lake, you'll get it on Miami and you'll get it on Orange County, I think. Yeah. They're too polished and curated. Like this is why we get sort of like when we go into these little, you know, the Mormon wives or we go into these other towns where people are just kind of like, I'm willing to be on TV and I'm willing to do what it takes to be on TV. And, you know, they don't have a team yet. You know, we'll get that. Yeah, I know. I know. It's like it just would be so fun to see that in Beverly Hills again.

45:01Ben Mandelker: But it's going to be a while. What do you think about Rachel Zoe coming on to the cast? You know, I think it's exciting for the viewers. So I'm excited for that. You know, I think people who have been watching Bravo as long as we have, like we just know the history of her. So I think we're excited to see. And obviously the drama of like, you know, Dorit being the only one she allegedly doesn't follow. And like the fact that the two of them could have beef is kind of like, I'm into that. Yeah, I think it'd be fun if they just brought back all the like 2000s era Bravo stars like Jonathan Anton, maybe Kelly Patron.

45:36Ben Mandelker: I don't know if they can work Paul Abdul in there in any way that makes sense. but like there's a lot of people from around 2004 or five on bravo that we could like get into the mix you know get some people for we get like uh what's her face from charlie's angels because she was the host of sheer genius like that everyone's everyone's a candidate you know for beverly hills right like i would yeah i would love to see a hodgepodge of those old school like does any of them come back it would be amazing yeah tabitha just add tabitha into the mix i'll be happy with the best um speaking of i have no good transition for this just to say miami is always doing so well like in terms of as a franchise we have a new cast member stephanie um what do you think about stephanie and did you see a little there's a minor dust up about her she had a clap back on instagram against the user today did you see any of that i saw i just saw some people like i saw people were screenshotting she i guess she did a q a or ama or whatever and like i just had stephanie on reality checked and dorinda because even dorinda so dorinda was like i don't know how i'm gonna feel about her but we have her on the show and dorinda was like oh you know i kind of like her but then sort of stories started coming out and she was kind of like huh is there any truth to that i will say like she was lovely like she's fun she was like spilling tea which you know they made us kind of not get rid of because she was spilling too much tea about too much too much around but you know like i thought she was really fun like she's super young she read older on screen to me but she's like obviously super young but look maybe that's because she dresses like jackie o she has like a little chanel suit you know but if if his ex-wife and the daughters start coming out and they do start speaking to the blogs like about their stories i don't know it might be a rough ride because i don't you know whatever history is happening.

47:28Ben Mandelker: There's just no way that these people are going to have a Real Housewives of Miami career and all these skeletons are not going to come surfacing. I mean, if you're working in real estate, there are going to be lawsuits. There's going to be complaints. There's going to be like, oh, they owe debt. It's just like, we just see it. We know it. And she talks so much about money and business, business, business. And she's powerful. And I love business that you just know the bottom's going to fall out and i'm really excited for that but i'm also excited for the pre-bottom falling out because i think i think she's like perfectly obnoxious and i like that she's kind of bossy and i love that she laid into lisa yeah um but so the the small dust up is that on her story somewhat uh she put on on instagram she said like ask you know ask or tell me something with a heart and someone goes you slept your way up so she responded by making a story where she said if sleeping your way way up worked you'd be on top too so what happened because by the looks of your profile you slept yourself to the walmart clearance aisle

48:34Ben Mandelker: not a good look to go after the after the viewers old school days i mean rihanna used to pop off on twitter like we loved that it was amazing and so like i don't mind when a new housewife goes off but i do when i see a new housewife show up with a private plane i always go because yeah i just i i we've seen too much fake wealth where i'm just like i don't want this to come by you like just don't show the private planes and also we know there's currently an irs division dedicated to real housewives watching they're counting your dollars like i would just be terrified to show up with the private blade be careful um also on miami um another controversy is comes from martina navratilova who you know this lady she's like you know i don't want julia to be the only one with a villain edit this season let me be part of this so um she tweeted she like regrammed something about egg donations And she tweeted, surrogacy is just wrong.

49:45Ben Mandelker: Sometimes you can't have it all. This is, well, not only is that wrong, but like, really, you're going to be the one to do this while you've dragged us through an adoption storyline, both human and goat for like two years. I don't want to hear it. I don't like, no, you should support your, your fellow families that are trying to have a child through surrogacy. I think it's obviously totally fine. And I don't know why she decided to have this hot take out of nowhere, especially when so much of her storyline is about building up a family. The way I have turned on Julia and Martina in the last few weeks, I'm just like, I feel like they are now elitist who believe that like, I can have this.

50:30But like, what are you doing? Like looking down on people and like, how dare you? and I definitely had the worst taste in my mouth when this last episode they put up pictures of their adopted black sons that sent me into a place of like what are we doing here because you were so private about it now you're showing them off I don't know everything about it gave me a bad taste but then on top of it essentially your boss let's face it Andy Cohen is your boss and you're going to say it's not for everyone okay well i hope you enjoy not having a job next year because what no gross

51:14Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah exactly and as mallory points out in the comments martina also has a history of being anti-trans as well which has come out over the past few years so like martina's hot takes you know maybe we don't need them as much anymore ever again no i don't i am yeah i used to love these two on on the show and uh that julia in terms of julia i think that she got the bug where she was like i think i'm she's like on the chopping block so she's gonna do some outrageous stuff and she did she went she did it wrong she did it all wrong and now the audience has turned on her totally yeah as they like rightfully so like i literally i'm like there's no i i'm trying to see any any possible no there's just no redemption here and yeah like whatever happening is what's happening on screen and also what's happening in real time i'm like i've just lost all yeah yeah exactly um so right now it is time to turn things over to the audience and what we usually do here is that we we stop the uh the audio recording but we keep the youtube going I believe.

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