#2928 The Valley S2E14 Part Two: Jax On, Jax Off with Dylan Hafer

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1:01Ben Mandelker: Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens Who cares what crappens Who cares what happens when there's so much that crappens Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap. I feel sort of shitty saying this because, you know, when you have a child, you love your child and everything. I don't, why do I feel like every time Jack says, I just miss my son, he's just totally lying and it's full of bullshit.

1:43it's yeah something is not exactly ringing true about the way that he's going about this because it does feel like he like he knows that he is supposed to say he knows that getting out of rehab like his main objective is supposed to be like being a good role model for his son or whatever but it's like he's so far away from that mark that it's like why are we you have 12 other things you should be worrying about before you worry about whether cruise can come for a sleep over at your house whether there's you know nasty women there or you know nasty women whatever whatever house of horrors britney is imagining it's like why don't you i i don't know it does feel like he is kind of saying what he knows he's supposed to say and i i believe that he you know has complicated feelings about his you know abilities and role as a parent but like i don't know there's just such a darkness there it's like i don't i don't know that i want you to

2:52Ben Mandelker: to be there i think it's just more like it's just based off of like his uh his interactions with his son last season it just seems like all of a sudden this season he seems to to be you know he seems to care a lot more this season now he is the father so it's you know i really can't take that even away from jacks but there's something that feels a little bit like um this is this is an angle like an unassailable angle i have that i can use and um i'm going to use it as much as i can yeah he knows that he's supposed to be out here performing dadness yeah performing dadness performing fatherhood so then they uh luke has an idea for him he's like oh well um how about like maybe why don't you ask her why don't you say that you'd be willing to put a camera in Cruz's room for her.

3:54Ben Mandelker: And Jack's like, oh, that's such a good idea. That's a great idea. I'm like, what? How is this a good idea? If you were like, okay, I know you're very scared to have Cruz or you don't want Cruz to stay with me, but I'll put a camera in his room so you can watch him. It just doesn't seem to be like, there shouldn't have to be a camera at all. I have never seen a couple have this much back and forth of camera logistics and filming in houses. It's like at a certain point, maybe the cameras aren't the problem. Maybe we should remove ourselves. If you have to use a nanny cam on your husband, you're supposed to use a nanny cam on an employee that you're not sure if they have your child's best interest at heart or maybe they're stealing from you.

4:42Ben Mandelker: But if you have to use it on your husband, that's a bad sign. Or if you have to volunteer to have a nanny cam used on you, not a good sign. Let's deal with the root causes here a little bit. Is this something that would a court order you to do that in a custody situation where it's like, okay, you have visitation with nanny cam? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so. Let's work on yourself a little bit more, Jax. So then we go over to Jesse and Isabella. They're at a toy store and she's like whacking him with like a sword or something. And then Danny and Asher are like feeding the kids and making wolf sounds and stuff like that.

5:18Ben Mandelker: and now we wind up back at Kristen and Luke's house. It's another day and Kristen is doing a James May photo shoot because James May is back. Okay. Well, I guess it never left, but it's having a new season of t-shirts. James May is going strong. It's an American heritage brand at this point. It's been around for a decade. yeah she'll be on project runway as a mentor soon enough like project runway is coming back and if christen doughty isn't there as a guest judge i think the show has lost all credibility she's like actually i think this garment would have worked better if it had an offensive slogan or like a native american headdress on it she's like this this flower child shirt really needed uh you know more words more another phrase another slogan yes this needs more fluid mac uh imagery on it please so she's doing a photo shoot she knocks over some soda she knocks over a coke bottle um and britney's come over and she's getting she's taking photos and everything and she's like oh i'm not i'm not actually a model let's not take photos once in a while and i love doing stuff like this i love this i love it a lot so they're taking these photos and then and then Jax calls and and she's oh well here he is right now he wants his ring verification code who drinks okay hijacks and he's like he said yeah I'm trying to solve the new ring right now okay they need the password I just sent to your phone no if I say just go do you get access to my ring it's like no no no they have my own ring I need this come on you need to do this no I'm not gonna do the fuck I sent you my verification code okay

7:12is it like the ring logistics it's like why would if he's getting a ring cam at his new apartment why would the verification code be getting sent to britney like i just on the same account is it

7:27Ben Mandelker: well so ring is owned by amazon right is it like some sort of like amazon prime thing do you buy with no it doesn't work that way i literally don't understand why the ring code family plan i literally don't understand why a fresh new ring a hot ring for straight off the amazon conveyor belt why that needs uh any sort of shared account or linkage to the other ring well you know what britney can't figure it out either she's not gonna give him that code she's i'm not stupid jacks i don't know what this code is but now i'm not gonna give it to you okay i love these things doing a model phone shoot yeah i love it i love it and he like loses his mind he's like but i'm here right now i'm fucking here right now there he is she just hangs up on him oh god he won't leave me alone i mean i'm definitely like trying my hardest to move on and then he's constantly hovering over me and he like doesn't want me to be happy so this is all jack sailorism is to get my shit okay jack sailorism which is funny because taylorism is a thing so it's funny that there's now a jack's taylorism you know an update to the classic well i think original taylorism is something about like uh like efficiency and factories correct oh okay something henry ford do something with taylorism the point is this whatever taylorism was it has now been replaced by jack's taylorism and uh god bless all of us for i love One of my favorite details is when it's Brittany's turn to get her photo taken and she calls Zach in because she says, you know, I need help with my hands.

9:06Like she doesn't know what to do with her hands. And the only person who can help.

9:14Ben Mandelker: I imagine if Zach weren't there, she's taking photos like her hands. It's like it's not she's just taking it in this weird position. It's like she's doing half vogue. It's like this is fucking good. I need somebody to come. help me with my hands so then um before she leaves of course then um chris and get some licks in about like you know jan and everything and she's like oh janice which basically goes off on janet and britney's like okay well i gotta go i gotta figure out what to do my hands tonight okay i gotta go bye bye it's just like i'm not i don't want to get involved in this anymore it's like i am out of here so i think one of my frustrations with this season has been like it feels like we are now having the same circular conversation about danny and janet and kristin and like it feels like we're really kind of going in circles and so i'm i'm interested to see kind of like at the reunion are we able to make any progress so then next season we don't just have to have the same kind of conversations again and again and again i hope so uh this does also explain why danny and nia were seated so high up on the sofa because i was so shocked uh uh when they announced the seating order for the reunion when michelle lally was all the way at the end because this was remember they filmed the reunion early because of the pregnancies so at that time the michelle lally storyline was really front and center and i was like what the hell how does michelle wind up there but now we see why with all the danny and mia stuff yeah i actually i miss some of the the michelle and jesse i kind of liked the way that they were you know it's very war of the roses at the beginning of the season like i liked seeing that um them just hate each other so yeah so passionately and now it feels like that has sort of been um usurped by by some different storylines and i kind of miss it i know but i get the feeling like we'll have that for the next like four years of this show like yeah daddy and aaron we're gonna see we're gonna see more there yeah jesse and michelle will not be getting along anytime soon despite any previews that suggest they're hosting some sort of zen party so um speaking of jesse he shows up at jack's house and uh it's a townhome and jack's is complaining about all the series and everything and jesse is just visibly disgusted Jess is like wow wow I came all the way to the valley to see this disgusting disgusting town home full of stairs and you still unpacked all your shit Jesse is like does not like this space whatsoever he has a lot of storage a lot of storage look Danny and Nia could put some of their stuff at Jax's place yeah they really could by the way if Jax was able to get a townhome.

12:08Ben Mandelker: You got some space. Danny Nia could do that too. Although I bet the townhome is not as big as it looks. Sometimes those townhomes, because they're vertical, they feel like they're really big. But realistically, every room can fit a card table. Well, you can't have a Jack and Jill bathroom when one room is on the floor above and one room is on the floor below with ladders and slides. Ladders. It's like a loft. A pole. That could be fun. I would love to see them navigate that i don't need to be shitting and someone descends on me with the pole it's one thing if like a door opens you're like no no no no but then all of a sudden you're like oh there's someone above me no also i'm not going down to any bathroom on a pole because sometimes i go into the bathroom and like i need everything clenched until i get to that toilet right like i'm just like nothing is i am not opening my legs to put a pole in between my legs before i get to that toilet because there will be a disaster thank you thank you for painting that picture you're welcome we know where it's a Jack scene.

13:07Ben Mandelker: So we have to be as visceral as possible. Yes. Really need to set the stage. So Jax is now complaining. He's like, I don't know how she's getting over it so fast. I mean, I just don't know how she's moving on so quickly with like another man. I mean, like, did you feel like, did you feel that? Like, like what the fuck? Because he's like really upset because Brittany is like dating someone when Jax has had like seven different girls that he's dated publicly. Yeah. He's, he's really setting the goalposts wherever. he wants with this and it's like you've never you've never been faithful in a relationship in your life and so now when you're fully separated he just really he cannot he cannot like figure anything out with this britney situation and it's it's no if i it's all so terrible it would be depressing but i'm like this is this is kind of what you deserve yeah i think he's just gonna any angle he can to sort of try to like kind of carve out some sort of moral high ground.

14:07Ben Mandelker: He's going to go for it, even if it's totally hypocritical. And so here he is trying to paint her as someone who has moved on quickly, perhaps even painting her as someone who's maybe an opportunist, who knows. And he's trying to paint himself as the dedicated father who just wants to see his son and just trying to do all the good things and grow and yada, yada, yada. And Jesse's kind of like, yeah, no, this isn't going to work. He's like, yeah, you just have to commit to the closure. Just be over it. I had to do it with Michelle, which is funny because has Jesse really done it? Has Jesse really done it?

14:37Well, it sounds like maybe it's been done incorrectly in terms of the paperwork.

14:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's true too. Because that's what we find out also is that Michelle, I guess, filed something incorrectly and now they have to start their divorce all the way over again from the start. I just love I would love Michelle's side of the story because of course Jesse says that Michelle did it wrong and so now they have to redo it and it's like yeah I'm wondering what the real story is there. yeah I kind of feel like Michelle is getting screwed by this season because Jesse seems to really get the last word in on what happens and he seems to be controlling the narrative but every time that it comes to Michelle she's like no that's not what happened I filed my thing on time and then he went to legal zoom and he couldn't afford it so he filed his thing with a post-it note and the judge rejected it and you're like oh he was threatening me threatening me it's threatening it does feel like Michelle has maybe taken a bit of a backseat this season and I don't know if that's her kind of her doing or if there just hasn't been room for a lot of her like we don't see a ton of her and Aaron it doesn't feel like their main characters on this show so maybe because her mom is sick it's she's been sort of actually like maybe she hasn't been able to put the full energy into the show.

16:09Ben Mandelker: But like, for instance, though, here's a good example. We have a whole scene of Jesse talking about the divorce and what went wrong. And then we have a flashback in the middle of it because Jesse says his assets are frozen. And Jax is like, what? And we see a flashback and we see Michelle telling Sheena that, oh, by the way, Jesse got this big loan under his name, but basically expects her to help him pay it off right i think that's what i what i gleaned from that and she's like i don't want to pay for that yeah and let's like that's such a brief it's such a brief flashback yeah because it's when it's when sheena's wearing the valley brat shirt yeah it's just like i don't like this could have been a whole scene yeah this could have been a whole scene and she gets like relegated to like a flashback and i'm like well it sounds like jesse's up to like financial shenanigans and she's saying how jesse's in like hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and like that just gets like shoved off into a flashback whereas jesse gets to have a whole scene with jacks on a rooftop talking about how his assets are frozen he just wants to move on and oh isabella is everything with jesse is the same thing with jacks he's like he's like i just want i just care about isabella you're like you both you guys just manipulative assholes that's what i think right they're just they're just two guys who the world is against them and they just they just need a win Come on.

17:28Ben Mandelker: They didn't win. Win. Just one win. I wish straight white guys could get a win once in a while, you know? It's tough out there. It's, you know, in these valley streets. Yeah. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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18:46Ben Mandelker: Then we go to Danny and Nia going to plastic surgeon to Rafi, Dr. Rafi Hov-Sapien.

18:55Ben Mandelker: Nia is contemplating getting a mommy makeover because the choice is have another baby or get the mommy makeover. Because once the mommy makeover happens, she's like, I'm not doing this again. So it's now or never for the baby time. So she's going to have a consultation. And the doctor's like, okay, well, we could move your nipple up if it were a perkier nipple, which is not as flat as a pancake, kind of a sad. So for most people who have nice breasts, we could do this for them. But since you have sad breasts, well, we can just paint in a happy face on and hope it looks better that way. Okay, good luck to you, ma 'am.

19:30Ben Mandelker: Goodbye. And she's like, what? It's like, oh, this is worse than I thought. It's not a very – I get that you want an honest opinion from a doctor, but he doesn't seem very – his bedside manner I have some questions about. Yeah. He's like, well, one way is we can move the areola and then we can bring it up a centimeter, but that would be for a perkier breast. He's like, you have two options. The first option won't work. Yeah. Oh, sorry. on my chart here it said a client was coming in with perky breasts and unfortunately that's not you so anyway we're gonna have to well hold on let me look in the uh file for uh old lady options okay hold on right now okay this is something for you uh would you like the old lady option c where we just uh put you in a nice bra what about that she's like oh thanks a lot well it's rough at least uh danny gets in a pervy pervy joke about hooking up in the in the exam room he's like well since you're on cloud um but yeah she's she's she's upset by it because the doctor was basically recommending that like what she would need to do he said was like just under like just a shade under extreme and i think that um that phrasing really like it really bothered her because it made her feel like i just had every imperfection on my body like circled with a sharpie and then he's like so so you horny should we fuck i'm never so four under four four under four shots right now um yeah i i totally get what she's feeling to be honest like i can imagine like you are it's it's not only that it's like she she basically disrobed for television and then had a guy be like this doesn't look right this doesn't look right this doesn't like right so she's probably like uh-huh that was mortifying like yeah probably didn't want to do that again right like when you go in for that consultation you want to be the one where the guy's like oh this will be easy not bad at all yeah you look great i barely even need to do any surgery on you and instead he was like okay this is what we'll do and now all of america can see that like you know but like of course by the way it goes without saying she's like gorgeous and like you she's totally being her own worst critic right now because you know like you look at her and think to yourself like why are you like like like i like i feel bad that you don't see how like beautiful you are you know but you know like we all get it we all you know we all well things improved with ourselves i suppose you know so anyway i hope they had great sex

22:21Ben Mandelker: uh so then we go down to uh speaking of couples romantic couples moments janet and jason head to a tattoo parlor which this this is a whimsical tattoo parlor by the way like i feel like normally tattoo parlors are very like a lot of like glass and mirrors and metal and harley davidson-esque type imagery and this was like whimsically like old-timey general store or something like that or i mean leave it to janice to find the the like kitschiest place to get a kitschy tattoo she's like does actually does david busters do tattoos i don't know how many tokens for a ring finger tattoo it looks like it had like magic potions or something like yeah you're right this is totally like a dave and buster's tattoo parlor like a skee ball like chuck e cheese comes out to give you the tattoo it's like oh god well unfortunately jason we can only give you the ring tattoo because that's as many tokens as i won today so um so he's gonna do they're gonna do the thing that curses so many couples which is getting the ring band tattoo like this is a bad this this is bad thing to don't do this it's not gonna work out right but would you rather curse your marriage or let kristen doty continue to to spread lies and fiction and falsehoods that you don't wear your ring when you go out because that's well i yeah but you could also be secure in your marriage and just like live in your own truth and be like well i don't care what she says you know but um but then again i've never been on the i've never dealt with the brunt of kristen doty and that is a very powerful force well and kristen doughty uh you know armored with the the theories and the the you know rumors of all the message boards and all the all the the blogs true yes that's what janet basically comes out and says that she's like kristen goes online she she finds out what she should say and then she hurls it at me and that's what she does and so um basically they get their tattoos um jason is oddly very nervous about it and he gets it and then uh and then they have like this scene where she janet is like you know sometimes i wonder if i even deserve you i mean like sometimes i wonder if you were gonna wake up and be like oh my god i'm married to janet i don't want to be here anymore she's like i mean i gotta get like like jason's really hot in my opinion i think he's super hot i can imagine being like whoa i really i really i really bagged a hot husband here like am i is he gonna stay with me is this really gonna work out you know i and also i do like her acknowledgement that the social media aspect of it i think is i would almost like to see them unpack that more on this show moving forward because now that they've been on a couple seasons with her saying you know i turned my comments you know for my social media comments were flooded with people saying why is he with her it's like okay that i that's interesting that that is maybe creeping into their marriage a little bit the longer she's on this show yeah so maybe it's like like even though i say stand in your truth i can understand like you hear so much noise especially from one of these shows i can't imagine like having those dms and comments all the time it's gonna get to you i mean it's it's just it can't not get to you like i like i in a you know i even as a as a host of a podcast you know i read it i read one one comment the wrong way and it can like mess me up you know which is just my way of saying that the real victim here is me in janet's situation just want to put that out there but i can imagine so like maybe he was like look i'm gonna get this tattoo to show you i'm not going anywhere don't listen to noise this is my sign for you i'm not sure but she's like i'm a fan i'm a fan bitch of you and i'm not gonna call me call me fanson um so so basically she's like yeah it just really hurts and you know people say like why is he with her oh it's because he can cheat on her and and they do this thing where she's like really sad she's like really going through it and they put all these things on the screen that people say about her that are up there and i was like oh like jenna's jenna is the worst but man that sucks if you're just like every single day you're getting those comments just on your instagram you know i was like i was half prepared for like the love island message to go up to be like don't bully people they're like we love all of our islanders just the same it's like no this is this is bravo pitchforks are out yeah no when i when i have something not nice to say about somebody i i say it on a podcast i don't i don't type it in an instagram comment so yeah i feel like it comes off better on a podcast because you can you know i you can really get the the tone maybe i'm being sarcastic you know it's it's new one yeah you could see it's not as full of venom as it's as it would be like if i said oh janet sucks like it sounds like that but if i write on a comment janet sucks it's like fucking janet sucks fucking bitch slut you're a fucking fan yeah way to go fan it fan um so now we go back to kristen and luke's home and uh Nia comes over and Kristen is basically talking about you know about baby stuff etc I think this is just more baby stuff I think this is just another scene where Nia's saying that she's more open to the idea of going to Santa Clarita and basically she's just priming us to the fact that she's going to Santa Clarita she's going to cave and go to Santa Clarita right well I think this I'm assuming in the finale that we'll get kind of the update that both of them are pregnant.

28:47And so this scene kind of sets the stage for that, that it's like Nia is on the fence between getting the mommy makeover and having one more baby. And she feels like time is ticking. And Kristen obviously still really wants to have a baby. And, you know, it'll pay off next week when it's like, you know, Kristen had a baby. Nia had a baby. with that exact song too the orange county season two music i i love i love love love

29:19Ben Mandelker: the orange county end of season music that they play that is like my favorite thing they have like a certain jam they pull out you can't it's unsingable i've been trying for years is that cool like little jam with and I tried to shazam it too I couldn't if it's not that awesome that music is just like the best I seem to have a memory that they didn't even play it last year at the end of Orange County and I was really upset about it tradition is so important we're losing our sacred our texts yes we really need to make sure we maintain these things so now we go over to the main event it's Brittany's house it's Brittany bitch and um uh she has crews there and she's like damn just coming over did you have a good nap okay he's starting to wake up hi hi zoo is gonna take you to sky zone which isn't sky zone like indoor um skydiving no it's trampolines oh okay that makes so much more sense well maybe maybe they've like added on a sky it's a it's like a trampoline park which i i would never have been allowed to go to but i i hope i hope cruz had fun well i apologize for not being up on my sky zone knowledge because of course when it comes to trampoline parks i only i only patronize one establishment and it's the bellino family trampoline park which may have been the sky zone maybe a franchise yeah so um jacks comes over and he's like saying hi to the crews and everything and Brittany says well the only reason why I agreed to Mike with Jackson tonight is because we need to set boundaries to figure out how we're going to co-pay it with Cruz like here's a boundary to set don't meet at your house meet at like a public space or something like stop letting this man into your home he's the boogeyman he's terrible let's not do this anymore and of course like the first thing that he says to her is this like pick me how is Hawaii oh uh nobody missed me you didn't miss me in Hawaii it's like no yeah no one missed you at all like the show actually thrived without you without you being there and by the way the best moment this season i think had to have been zach telling jacks when jack said this is my show and zach said not for the past 30 days it wasn't like that still to me was chef's kiss a chef's kiss moment for zach yeah it really i mean this season when you think about it jacks has not been present for much of it we've gotten those little like cursed video diaries from rehab or a scene of him when they were in hawaii but he has not been in attendance at very many of the the cast events and i i it's been nice the show's been fine the show has been fine so um jacks is saying you know britney has the upper hand right now so in my head i'm just kind of like playing nice and just kind of get along with whatever she wants which is 100 a lie you are not playing nice with anything and he's like i don't want to get an attorney involved can't we just go our separate ways and still be friends you offloaded a house onto her that was going into foreclosure and then you're like I don't want to have attorneys involved with this it's like when the cartoon fox is like oh why can't me and the hens just get along like why don't they want to hang out with me and it's like 30 seconds later it's like because that's why that's why that's why mm-hmm maybe you should watch McBee Dynasty by the way because there was a chicken coop situation this week don't do this to me no don't watch it it's a terrible show okay so jacks is like jacks is like he's like look look i mean look it's like i never even lived here took all my photos down and he says this as if he didn't try to throw out a picture of brinny with her dad there has been so much so much moving in and moving out and throwing things away and putting things in trash bags.

33:17It's like, this is a model home at this point. This is staging furniture.

33:23Ben Mandelker: It really has been. Those photos have really been moving around. I mean, every single day they're in a different place. It's like a highlights magazine thing. I was like, what are the differences between these two images? So he's like, why are you doing that? She's like, well, I don't want to look at your face every single day. He's like, are you just going to wipe away 10 years like that? Which is like total manipulation because he was the one who really wiped away 10 years. the moment he started acting wild to Brittany, if you ask me. Yeah. I mean, anytime they're in a conversation like this, he just immediately resorts to the gaslighting and the manipulation that it's like you're choosing this.

34:04I don't want this.

34:06Ben Mandelker: You're breaking apart this family. He likes to paint himself as the hero here or the martyr. You know? you know and so you still want still good on that divorce it's like he's asking like you like it's like oh you sent him what you want from the drive-through and he's like does that is that still what you want it's like again no no she's still she's still good on the divorce it's been ordered you may have noticed uh the photo of your face that's face that's been turned down that you just were observing yeah the divorce is still going forward she's like well why would i not be good on that i mean have hey you have not done anything that i wanted from you and he's like well i just i just want to make sure just in case well how many xanax did you take before you came on over here he's like what i've never taken any just a few lines of cocaine that's it she's like okay well you're not even acting like yourself it's like oh it's fine like i mean look you've already slandered me enough okay you can't slander me anymore i'm wondering where the slander is because everything she said has been true right i can't also i can't hear the word slander without hearing alexia in my head slander slander slander so there's no there's no slander going on she's and she's she's standing on business as the love as the love island cast would say she's only saying things that are true that's right standing on business just like ace green so britney is like it's not slander when i'm speaking firex okay don't talk to me unless it's about cruise okay cruise is not going to your house anytime soon and because i don't trust that there's not nasty women there nasty women watch out for the nasty women like he you really are picturing his house the way britney describes it is just like a a den of sin like there's like there's like women raped over the furniture and like you know an opium pipe in the corner it's like it's like a bordello bordello on game of thrones or something it's like little finger is going to come out it's like it's it's i mean but to be fair that could be actually exactly what's happening in jackson it's jacks it could be that way as on his his love sack got delivered so now he can do whatever he wants that's true in more ways than one uh so she says I am done protecting Jax.

36:27Ben Mandelker: Okay. I am like, so done. I really thought he was going to change. I really thought I'd be the person to change him. So now shame on Sherry, Brittany's mother with the white lipstick, forever teaching her daughter that she could change someone in a relationship. Like you don't, you don't get a relationship to change someone like you. So you take them or leave them. And I'm not, this is not exonerating Jax by any means, but like, I'm very sad that, that Brittany wasted all these years thinking she could change someone like Jax when she could have just found someone like you could get a turnkey boyfriend or husband you don't need to fix her upper yeah and I mean she every step of the way Jax showed her that this was who he was and she just kept going along with it so and everyone told her everyone her castmates her family the world told her you have to leave this guy yeah it's it's tough I mean it is kind of interesting to think that from vanderpump rules to now we've never seen britney without jacks and so like season three of the valley thinking about that it's like wow it's really going to be a different a different look and it's gonna be weird i know but by the way she was this this season was she was sort of without jacks and yes yeah yeah but like it's still a lot of it was with was within the context of the jacks and his presence so right and if he's not if he's not appearing at all next season we're not going to have any more scenes like this even if they're happening in her life with the the co-parenting the cameras presumably won't be there yeah so the producers ask her why she protected him for so long and she was saying that she didn't want to get in trouble and like you know she tried like like she really loved him and she tried to make him a better person and but how can you how can you continue to be there for somebody who won't even change for you or your son like that okay it's just it's just uh yeah okay so then britney uh she's now yelling at him she's like it disgusts me you are so gross jack she's like okay fine i'm good i'm good yeah every time i can't i can't say anything i can't win everything i say is wrong everything i say is wrong that'll be his podcast in the manosphere.

38:47Everything I say is wrong. With Jackson Taylor.

38:50Ben Mandelker: I'm a work in progress. Okay. Look, I'm here to be a dad. Okay. I'm good at it. I enjoy it. It makes me happy. I'm like, well, we didn't see any of you doing that last season as far as I can tell. Like, it would be last season he'd be sitting there watching TV and Brittany and her mom would be chasing after Cruz under the sofa and he'd be like, kids, am I right? So this is a very convenient narrative. as Katie Maloney would say that he's peddling on us. I can't wait to, can't wait to not see it anymore. I know. So he's saying, yeah, I mean, he actually just makes me want to be a better person.

39:27Ben Mandelker: And I just, I don't think she should hold anger over me. I'm using that as a weapon, not to see my son. That's just not fair. Says Jax, who's actively trying to use the sun as a weapon against Brittany. Right. Like, yeah, he really, he really, you know, She's playing the Uno reverse card on him and he just cannot take it. He can't figure out. He still doesn't understand the rules of Uno, unfortunately. So she's like, you are a narcissist, so you don't actually feel love. You don't feel pain. You don't feel hurt like I do. So we are different people. Okay, I'm going through a lot more than what you're going through right now because I actually can't hear.

40:04Ben Mandelker: And he's like, you don't see what I'm going through at home. You don't see what I'm dealing with in my house. It's 10 years of my life. It's a decade. you could just throw that away but i can't jack the old that old sentimental that old sentimental guy jack's not willing to throw away 10 years uh yeah it's just the worst just the worst do you think i've thrown it away i've tried to make this work for 10 years with you jack you could have you could have went on your bipolar medication years ago and you didn't okay i begged you to therapy i begged you he's like well i'm doing it now no see why you already ruined our family i did it oh and then the icing on the cake is i didn't come here to argue i didn't i did i didn't want to argue i just wanted to set some boundaries i you know i'll do whatever you want but i did i don't want to argue by the way they have not set a single boundary nor propose one since this has been here it's like it's like somebody somebody make a somebody put something on the table yes can we have some boundaries please somebody say i mean he could easily just say i want to have a sleepover and i will volunteer to put a dandy cam in the room that has not come up once yeah there's been no boundary talk well britney enters something in here she goes well i told you my boundaries i will handle everything and i will send you a bill for your half of the doctor bills and he's like um but fine then you don't get full custody no i'm getting full custody yeah i'll be getting that full custody okay that's supposed to be your child support is that that you're gonna be paying for i have a cruise of stuff he's like no i'm not paying i'm not gonna pay any bills okay because you make more more than i will so you know so i'm gonna go after your alimony so there's a boundary she wasn't expecting is that he's actually being like he's like nylon man not gonna pay you're gonna pay me yeah the at this point when they start getting into the the custody arrangements and the alimony and the child support it's like and this is the same jacks who five minutes ago was like man do we really need a lawyer do we i mean can't we just talk it out can't we talk right and then you're like it's like no bitch you're paying me alimony it's like okay and here's the need for a lawyer immediately why we have a lawyer yes exactly they need the Drew and Ralph court court monitored texting app or they just need a basement that they could put Jackson to so he's like yeah this is a 50-50 state man so she's like so you're gonna go after alimony alimony for me and I'm gonna have to pay for all of Cruz's bills he's like god why are you trying to destroy the father of your son

42:48Ben Mandelker: she's like I'm not Why are you doing this? Poor Jax. He's so delicate. So delicate. I can't believe she would try to destroy this man, this upstanding citizen who threw a table at her. Why would she ever destroy this person? You know, 10 years, she's just flushing it down the toilet. 10 perfect years. 10 perfect years without any problems whatsoever. And he's like, every time I come over, you act so mean to me. You discard me, Jax. he's so he's a he's a vulnerable soul he's you know he doesn't like when people like me okay at all and and he has a great track record of being very nice to people for 10 years 10 years yeah so she's like well this is why i knew i want to cruise i asked i knew this would happen i'm disgusted i'm so mad at you so he basically is like yeah i just we always every time i come over we always fight and oh i just i love my kid more than anything and i'm just i'm really fighting for him and i just oh god i just hope i can get him back it's like i love my kid more than anything except for you know hanging with the boys and you know drinking at jack's and you know rage texting britney it's like the order of priorities is not so clear yeah he's like come on i i told all the boys i'd be adding crews to boys chat come on you gotta let me have them i'm trying So he's like, I'm not saying that because he's like, stop saying that.

44:18Ben Mandelker: You know, you stop saying that. I'm the one who threw it away. He's like, well, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that you're the one that threw it away. What I'm trying to say is that you can't get over it like that. She's like, I'm not over anything, obviously. I mean, he's a I am impressed with her because she is he is such a manipulator and she is really so weak that I'm surprised that she has not caved to any of these any of these tactics. Yeah, it does feel like at some point between, you know, maybe while he was in rehab, she kind of like a switch flipped in her mind where it was like, no, no, no, like that's that part of it is over.

44:49And we're not we're not kind of negotiating the relationship anymore. And, you know, because she does she she does a good job in this conversation of not falling for the the traps that he's setting.

45:03Ben Mandelker: yeah because he keeps trying to set them so finally he's like you know what amish piece of shit human being i get it fine i can barely even look at you die x and uh he's like fine so then he basically just like leaves and slams the door and uh and that's that's where it is with that he he tried he tried some moves there they didn't work she held her ground and now we have the season finale next week but not much time left with jacks taylor on the valley only two or three more episodes. Or three or four. I don't know how big the reunion is going to be. Do you think it's going to be a two-parter or a three-parter?

45:39I would say two because they didn't have a reunion at all last season. So I feel like they'll give them two to kind of see how it goes. But maybe three. You never know.

45:47Ben Mandelker: It feels like there's three episodes worth of drama, but I feel like if it's not a housewife show, they seem to be keeping it just to two episodes. Summer House and Southern Charm. I'm usually okay with the two-part. Maybe one of them gets to be the 53-minute episode length. I'm okay with that, too. It's a good... I think they would have an action-packed two-part reunion, which I tend to like. I like that. Because, for instance, I don't know why we have a three-part Atlanta reunion happening for this season. That makes no sense to me. Especially when Britt didn't show up. There's only two people on that couch.

46:28yeah yeah we don't need three parts anyway dylan thank you so much for coming on and talking about

46:35Ben Mandelker: this show it's it was a delight to have you here uh tell everyone where they can find you well thank you it was a delight to be here i uh i i love going through literally going through the whole episode top to bottom word by word uh no thank you you can listen to me my podcast is called mention it all uh we do two episodes a week uh wherever you listen also on youtube at bravo by betches um with guest episodes every tuesday and then usually solo episodes every friday um and you can follow at bravo by betches on instagram and i'm at dylan hafer great everyone go give dylan a follow as you could probably hear he's so funny and so smart and so clever so thank you so much for being here thanks everyone for listening and uh we'll be back later for next gen New York City.

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