#2933 RHOC S19E02 Part 1: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle

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2:25Watch What Crappens

2:51Ben Mandelker: Welcome back, my sweet rondella. How are you?

2:55Ronnie Karam: It's so good to see your little face. It's been so horrible spending a whole week speaking to people other than you. Can you see my face through those Angie K sunglasses? I can. Yes, I can see your face. I've got so much light on, flaring in my face. But yeah, I'm in Angie K sunglasses that a listener gave us because I got my eyelids cut off. I had my eyelids ripped off. and when I tell you the doctor who did it was the hottest fucking guy I think he messed up one of my eyes and I still could not stare it and then I went to like the checkup thing where they look at your eye and he was staring into my eyes while we talked and I was like I'm in love and then I was telling my sister and she's like I think he was staring into your eyes because he's an eye

3:36Ben Mandelker: doctor I was like oh yeah yeah so is he hotter than you with that sexy mustache you're rocking

3:44Ronnie Karam: right now yeah I've got a mustache you're gonna you know change it up a little bit why not you're

3:50Ben Mandelker: gonna have some ladies in the audience and some men as well they are gonna be they are gonna be feeling things ronnie i'm telling you this is a very sexy look you've got going on cool sunglasses mustache it's like you went you got your eyes it was like it's like uh urkel's uh other like twin came by wasn't raquel remember like steve urkels just got back

4:14Ronnie Karam: you're already putting me in the urkel pen can i have a minute

4:22Ronnie Karam: but yeah it was it was really fun my first little dip into real housewives plastic surgery you know now i have a whole list of shit although it hurt a couple of things it hurt more than i thought like the recovery hurt more than i thought and the other thing was it didn't really do as much as i thought i really thought that i was going to come out looking like a different person and i look the same i mean i'm not showing you right now because i'm all bruised up but i'm i look exactly the same but i mean i don't know it was an experience i guess i think you'll probably

4:50Ben Mandelker: notice some differences once it heals up and maybe some swelling goes down you're gonna notice like some subtleties because even the smallest like millimeter of change on someone's face everyone you just notice you just see it you know think about all the times when you you're so used to seeing yourself in the mirror and then when you see yourself um like with proper like through a camera i mean it merely that's a big difference but like it shouldn't be that different really but it's like i look like a monster you know i'm like is this how people see me i'm used to my mirror version so like a few millimeters can change everything so i think once that swelling goes down and everything um you know you might see some some some slight changes there well who

5:30Ronnie Karam: knows i hope it's not like when you're walking on the street and you pass a glass building you know like a reflective building and then you see yourself and you're like, oh, my God, I know you're like horrified by yourself. I hope it's not like that. Like I wake up one day and that happened. But anyway, thanks to everybody who came and filled in. You guys did such a good job. You know, we're really lucky doing what we do, that we get to do what we do and just sit here and laugh with each other all day. You know, that's so great. And I really do. When I was away for a week, because we had time off before this, too, for the holiday.

6:00Ronnie Karam: and so i've really become so much more appreciative of this gig but also the friends that we've met along the way you know and the people that we can ask to come pitch it in in just like that and they show up and they do such a good job i mean everybody was great and i've been reading the you know the comments to everybody about everybody who showed up and you know we're really lucky to

6:21Ben Mandelker: have that so thank you everybody yeah we thank you to our audience for being like a chill audience that like is like does not like make our lives hell by being like how could you do this everyone was very chill and i want to give a shout out i'm gonna give it i'm gonna give a shout out to all our guests right now hunter harris diallo riddle amy phillips diamond cooper andrew puglisi eric williams ash and elena from morbid um dylan dylan hafer danny murphy um and i think that was it actually and kiki monique for crappy hour so thank you why am i sound like i'm giving an academy award thank you acceptance speech because i really do want to thank you i don't know why it feels like it but it does you know it was cool that all these people really like like kind of dropped everything and and like joined us and helped out so i really appreciate that yeah thanks team and go listen to all their respective podcasts and follow them on social media because they're

7:19Ronnie Karam: all really great people and i know we tend to wander around in recaps anyway and and you know tell little stories in here and this and that this one's probably going to meander forever i've missed so much i can't believe how much i have to say oh my i have to say your surgery came at a

7:32Ben Mandelker: at a at a unique time because you missed the premiere of orange county the finale of love island the premiere of well i don't know if it really counts we did but the the love island beyond the villa we didn't really even talk about that um but it was like it was sort of hilarious I was like, oh, no, I feel like Ronnie's going to miss so many big, exciting things. But the good news is that the Orange County premiere was great. But this episode that we're about to recap, I think is even better. The Return of Gretchen. I mean, this episode was this was a good one. Yeah, this was a good one.

8:06Ronnie Karam: All right, let's jump into it. Let's get into it. Here we are. Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19, Episode 2, Old Faces, New Places. I cannot believe the housewives let them get away with a title called old faces.

8:20Ben Mandelker: I know that's a, especially it's a real shocker. It's a real shocker, but they did. They, they got away with it. Um, yeah. Cause this is the big Gretchen returns episode. So you got, you got a milestone in, you didn't miss this milestone. This is a big, I think this is probably the most important milestone of the week. I mean, yeah. Love Island finale, whatever we get. Look, how about this? Why don't we give you, we'll do a quick bonus round with you flash flash judgments or snap judgments or you just bonus round you answer this okay thoughts on the oc premiere decent but too many old storylines they

8:58Ronnie Karam: need to come up with something fresh and tamra nice nice try on the tamra 18.0 but you're still you're still a fucking monster possibly on a trash can thoughts on love island finale loved the hoda breakup scene when he wouldn't carry her across the water I died I watched it 30 times and it still sucks I don't care what anybody fucking says

9:18Ben Mandelker: thoughts on Stephanie snapping at Lisa and also the Lisa narcissism I mean the Alexia narcissism party that was also Greek god themed

9:29Ronnie Karam: Stephanie's a fucking pipsqueak monster who's fucking some old man for his money I don't care how many different ways she tries to word it and I can't wait to make fun of her she's humorless so that might be a problem um but i do like her outfits narcissism party on brand loved it jacks has quote unquote quit the valley good fuck you jacks you fucking abuse abusive piece of shit i hope they send you on a fucking spaceship with aaron pfeipers into the sun

9:57Ben Mandelker: yeah that's the news that i just read literally two minutes right before this aaron pipe pfeipers

10:01Ronnie Karam: what a piece of shit what a hell monster so yeah jacks and that guy send them into the sign. And also, I don't care what anybody says. Janet still sucks. I don't care about her whole redemption thing this week of, oh, poor Janet. I have to look at comments that are like, why is your husband with you? You're such a monster. And it's all because Kristen did it to me. Kristen's so mean to me. She's such a bully. Fuck off, Janet. We hate you because you're you. Okay, I don't need anybody on the internet to tell me you suck. You suck.

10:31Ben Mandelker: Georgia's plan for opening a club on Next Gen New York City.

10:34Ronnie Karam: Bullying! My mother, Rhonda, called this back in the day when we owned Skylane's bowling alley. You know, she was the first person in El Paso to come up with Midnight Bowl, and she insisted it would be an amazing club. And now, all these years later, Georgia's going to do it.

10:48Ben Mandelker: Galena kills the chickens in the chicken coop, or tries to.

10:51Ronnie Karam: Galena's a fucking national hero. I love her. I hope she runs for president. If we can vote this rapist and all this other asshole shit that this guy's done in here with his missing Epstein files and all this shit, we can have Galena. Bring Galena in to kill the chickens that deserve it. to whatever happened on Below Deck,

11:09Ben Mandelker: which is probably not much.

11:12Ronnie Karam: Below Deck was good. I'm really sad that I missed that awful guest, Don. Because Don, she's like, hey, Don. Hey, Rainbow, you're fucking with me, Rainbow. All the strip club owners. I was kind of sad that I missed that one, I'll be honest.

11:26Ben Mandelker: Atlanta Reunion.

11:29Ronnie Karam: They're trying. I can't believe they're doing three hours with nothing, but they did a pretty good job. Shamia, you're only proving why your basic ass does not deserve that chair or that spot. I mean, boring. Nice girl. Boring as hell, though. Beyond the villa. Amazing. At first, I wasn't sure because they barely wear mics. The recording is terrible. All you hear is echoing. But then they started fighting about spray tans and glam, and then I was back in.

11:56Ben Mandelker: And also, shout out to them spending half the episode driving up and down Samaka Boulevard.

12:01Ronnie Karam: King's Court, which is the hottest of the three? things court i couldn't take um i'm sure it's good but i just went through love island i can't take another dating so i made it halfway through i don't believe any of those men have trouble getting dates i do have believe do believe they have trouble keeping them because they're douche bags and that includes you tyson i don't believe tyson's not a douche bag and just because he cried in the middle of the episode about how traumatized he was you know what you were probably traumatized because you're a douche bag you're a model i don't believe that you're not a douche bag tyson okay but good luck with your show king

12:31Ben Mandelker: time's up while you got it in just in time wow I'm so impressed

12:35Ronnie Karam: we did it thank you god that was a whole week of pent up it's like Joey Gorga not being able to you know pull his pud

12:44Ben Mandelker: for a while release the poison wow it just goes to show so basically the fact that we spend about you know 20 hours a week talking about like these shows we could also just do it in about 3 minutes Great to know. We can just show up once a week for three minutes.

13:03Ronnie Karam: All right. So last week on Orange County, we had Shannon, of all people, bringing people to a golden door for hippie stuff so they could restart. Shannon, you just yelled at your entire cast of Love Hotel to the point where the host went on a tirade against, a coked out tirade against you online a year after you crashed into your house and melted down about 10 times over Earl to Pearl. I don't know that you're the one to be hosting this event, but I love you for doing it anyway.

13:32Ben Mandelker: Yes, we definitely appreciate it. So we left off with them there. And now where we pick up, they're going to basically walk into one of those meditation reflective labyrinths that they actually did in Miraval as well. Or some of them did. I remember Gina did the labyrinth. She's like, I feel bad because I'm lost in the labyrinths. i feel bad i feel bad because i feel bad because i can't find david bowie in the labyrinth

14:05Ronnie Karam: wasn't the labyrinth on that one just like drawn lines in the sand i don't even think it was like walls or anything it was just like that was a much more from the back of a cereal box onto the sand

14:15Ben Mandelker: i think when people do these things it's usually just like a it's concentric circles i'm not even sure if it's really a labyrinth i think you just go around in circles until you sort of get to the center but it's called a labyrinth i don't know i haven't actually been part of it i haven't done one but um i do know that usually people cry by the time they get to the end of the labyrinth

14:31Ronnie Karam: so i'm not doing a fucking labyrinth i've seen what happens in labyrinths and movies nothing

14:35Ben Mandelker: ever good happens in a labyrinth i literally nothing because like that's why these are grids because why would we have a labyrinth i am looking forward to when they inevitably do this on um on the valley and then janet does it and uh cries and we can name the episode fans labyrinth

14:57Ben Mandelker: so by the way i have to say the i can hear the collective like sigh of relief for you being back because i don't think people were very happy with the like the the not tearing janet's to shreds element while you were gone like the still talking negatively about her but not like she's a fucking piece of shit rotten hell die die under a carpet that's being run over by a truck like if there wasn't that energy and people i can tell people were like this is not right bring ronnie back so i was like please let bring the bully back well get janet's look she's fucking she is She's horrible. She is horrible, but I enjoy her horribleness.

15:43Ben Mandelker: But a lot of people are not. People are like, no, she's horrible and she's not fun to watch.

15:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's like satanic. She's like satanic secretary, you know, because she's not fun. Like Satan is at least like fun and creative. I mean, at least in movies and stuff, the way he kills people and like tricks them and stuff like that. So I shouldn't call her Satan because Satan's more fun. But, you know, just like that evil head secretary who never lets you have more than one of the candies because they're for guests. she's like one of those you know yes or like who who like looks at your lunch and tells everybody what you ate even though you're supposed to be on a diet yeah by the way i finally saw sinners

16:18Ben Mandelker: i've mentioned it on like about three podcasts this week i just want to let you know i did finally see it just when you mentioned the devil i thought of you know janet and sinners how did you like janet's musical number when she was on that banjo seducing hailey seinfeld i was like honestly like she may be the devil but she has a beautiful voice it might be worth it let her in um so yeah so anyway they're doing this labyrinth thing and as they're doing it we're hearing um we're hearing like flashbacks to last week because it's kind of like they're doing the labyrinth but we're also recapping and um we hear we hear like like i want to start over and like that girl was attacking me on social media i have never called her ever i and katie doing her thing of like i i want to exonerate myself but i don't have any service here oh

17:10Ronnie Karam: unfortunately yeah it's too bad can't exonerate myself i don't have service if you had any receipts in there you would have them screenshotted just like the rest of us do katie now here's the thing we all know katie's a compulsive liar you know katie's lie she lies a lot but i'm still on team katie these women are terrible and i know that katie was lying but you all fucking deserved it and i don't know how emily can get off saying how dare you bring my child into this oh by the way i have a piece of chicken in my purse i'm wacky like emily you know you're you're saying don't bring your children into it but you're bringing your child's eating disorder into it i'm using that for a storyline and you brought her custody into it at the reunion which was really fucking down low of you that was so mean what katie did to her was nothing compared to what she did to katie i wish katie would just have the stones to be like fuck you what you did was way worse and you owe me an apology hatchet face but you have lovely hair yeah by the way i

18:05Ben Mandelker: have no objections to emily bringing her son's uh eating disorder on screen because i think it's actually very compelling and interesting and i applaud her for it but like i do think though you know sometimes like if you're gonna like if you are gonna send her your your child in your storyline uh you know it's just it feels like you can't call the shots necessarily on that sort of stuff like if you if you want your child to stay out of harm's way you really just shouldn't have them really be addressed on the show at all in the first place it doesn't mean like oh well she she brought on herself but i'm just saying there is like an element of hypocrisy in this as well and i um i also agree 100 that i think yeah katie is lying she's fibbing but they all do i mean hello look at tamra look at tamra who like didn't she call the feds on ryan last year or like or like looking to that she did yeah calling up a private investigator or like or try or working with shannon to do that like they all do wretched wretched things and i think they're just fully deflecting on their own bad behavior because they know that katie is weak and she's a newbie and that and that katie's sloppy she's a sloppy liar and she's caught in all her lies so they know they've got fresh blood and so just going after her but also what she did is baby potatoes those

19:16Ronnie Karam: were baby potatoes what katie did she she told some blogger about a story that your nanny retold about your kid saying that you didn't like heather dubrow oh no you know like oh no i mean what you did in retaliation was so much fucking worse and katie's not even playing on like a master manipulation level she's just like my kid my kid really did hear the other kids saying that emily doesn't like heather dubrow like really you're gonna rip the woman apart for that That's what she did. That's her sin. I mean, they're crazy. And then meanwhile, you've got Tamara running around, like still doing her thing of like, you brought my child, I can't believe you brought my child into it, which we find out is a lie.

19:56Ronnie Karam: Again, another Tamara lie. And she's bringing her child into it. Her child's been begging her to stop bringing her up on TV. And Tamara's still doing it. So all of you complaining about bringing children into it when you're the ones bringing your children into it constantly. Quiet down over there.

20:11Ben Mandelker: quite a time i'm so glad to have this show back and i'll tell you one thing i think gretchen came back and she came back strong i'm gonna say this right now i think gretchen came back very strongly i think we were all kind of expecting gretchen to be kind of a waste of space because she just sort of has become this like spectral like instagram presence with like a face tuned face like a smudge she's like a smudge she's like that painting that that lady did in that church who tried to fix Jesus' face and turned him into a smudge. That's basically what Gretchen has turned into. So we sort of imagine that her personality is like this.

20:47Ronnie Karam: Have you ever seen those spots where people are like, Jesus, he came back, he's coming out of the clouds. And it's just kind of a smudge of a cloud with the sun shining through it. That's what she is.

20:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And I think that Gretchen came back with her first season energy because Gretchen's first season was her best. She was really, really so good. And then I think that as Slade got his claws into her, that she did sort of become more and more generic and less interesting. And they even said that on the show when they had one of those behind the seasons specials, they said that she would start to produce herself and protect herself. And I think that she's now like, she's been in timeout for a long time. She doesn't care anymore. I think she's also older and wiser. And she just came back and she's like, I have Tamara's number.

21:29Ben Mandelker: I am not fooled by any of this bullshit the way people like, I don't know, Gina and Emily are. And I'm not going to, I'm, I am not going to let off. And I thought it was refreshing. And I thought she was strident and like a great it was a great debut for Gretchen coming back after all these years.

21:47Ronnie Karam: Does her face remind me of a marshmallow in a microwave? Yes. But I loved her coming back with that personality. I was cracking up the whole time. And you know who else she has on her side now? Jesus. She's got. I was going to say Fox News.

22:02Ben Mandelker: She has Fox News hair.

22:04Ronnie Karam: She's come back with her full on like this is my Trump era. I'm going to say Jesus every other sentence, and I'm just going to go for it. I'm going to make everybody pray at every meal. I mean, you've never met a more self-righteous person than a person like that. And I don't mean a Christian. I mean the self-righteous, like overly judgmental, like overly showy religious people. Okay? I grew up with them. I still have them around my life. And let me tell you, the one that's talking about Jesus the most is the one cheating on their taxes or trying to run homeless people down in crosswalks. Always.

22:38Ben Mandelker: Or both.

22:38Ronnie Karam: Or fucking their secretary or whatever else, you know? Everything. So I loved it. When she started bringing Jesus into fights, I was like, yes. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. I have a giant deck outside and needed to furnish it and was worried about getting things that matched and getting things from different stores and making it all work together. Well, it ended up all working out beautifully with Wayfair. I got every piece out there from Wayfair. I got couches. I got chairs. I got tables with chairs. I got heat lamps. Everything I needed for that patio came directly from Wayfair, and it looks fantastic.

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24:15Ronnie Karam: This episode is sponsored by Butterball Turkey. Butterball. Care hard. Cook easy.

24:21Ben Mandelker: I was watching The Real Housewives of Orange County the other night, And I was thinking so much of this drama could have been solved with turkey. I think that about so many things. Exactly. Just get everyone around the table with a delicious meal, a turkey meal. That's how you bring people back together. What if it wasn't Thanksgiving? Being the Grand Dame isn't a one-day-a-year affair. Every day is a chance to get down with turkey burgers, ground turkey, and more. Eating turkey is like watching Bravo. You can do it anytime. And the more you do it, the happier you are.

24:50Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, Butterball Turkey is made for everyday moments that bring people together with ease, and it tastes great while doing it.

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25:11Ben Mandelker: Butterball has turkey made for the way you care, whether you're cooking for your best friend or mending bridges with your frenemy. Butterball. Care hard, cook easy. i love this era of crazy i think i think gretchen was great and in fact i felt like you know slade slade really has made my skin crawl for so many years but um i felt like she was like i feel like every time in the past where slade and gretchen appeared on screen he always does so much tap dancing and like look at me camera that she also would get lost in those scenes and i think that she actually she outshone slade like at long last slade was just a little he had as much energy and as much attention as ryan and matt in the scene that he was in and that was like very wonderful for me because slate is he's too much he just tries too much and maybe he's just exhausted and he's realized that he just you know like he's given up maybe but i felt like the dynamic between them was was better for me as a viewer and she was great and um well he's got

26:14Ronnie Karam: like that aging beach boy hair now where he like poofs it up really big he's got like big hair And so I like that. And I think the reason his attitude has slightly changed is because for the first time ever, Gretchen and Slade have an army. It's not just them. It used to be them coming for Tamra and standing up to Tamra. But now they've got all these all these ancillary characters who everybody kind of wrote off like Jen Pedranti. No one gave her. No one paid her any mind. They just thought, let's just abuse this blonde idiot, you know. And then they've got this Katie girl who they think they could just abuse.

26:44Ronnie Karam: and i think that uh gretchen's like listen bring me a couple of b levels and we'll take this shit over you know i'm not gonna stand for tamra's bullshit and guess jesus won't either tamra it

26:55Ben Mandelker: feels if this feels like some sort of young adult novel or whatever or maybe like a game of thrones thing where it's like they had to resurrect their messianic leader of some sort to go against the big bad and they were like they like did their ritual and they resurrected gretchen they brought her back and now she's like their undead uh hero that's gonna go after the undead villain of tamra

27:17Ronnie Karam: and it's gonna be a great clash and tamra knows what's coming because she started the season off with her oh i can't believe it everybody's so mean to me i'm going to therapy now because i got autisticness and i'm gonna do something it's like shut up i mean it's just so it's so textbook tamra it just fucking cracked me up that that's what she came in with and it's already crumbled by episode

27:38Ben Mandelker: too it's already yeah no this season's already just like firing on all cylinders because there's so many like inter there's so many interesting um relationships happening because you have tamra and shannon are still just trying to like they're just trying to take swipe swipe with each other they're trying to gain some sort of like upper hand with each other and then they just use everyone else as pawns and then heather's somewhere in the mix i don't know where heather where heather stays in this but like those two tamra and shannon are like the central like underpinning relationship and anything that tamra does against katie is ultimately it's just in service of unraveling shannon in some way and that's what we see on this episode as well yeah so um so anyway they all set some bullshit intentions on how they want to be better about things which they don't do at all and then after all this then it's never gonna happen no intention on any housewife show during any one of these like foofy new age resorts has ever come true um not even not maybe maybe um gina's did when she went to bali and felt the wind and now i don't want to live in fear anymore no i'm not scared by the way gina's accent now you've got

28:48Ronnie Karam: 10 accents like what is gina even doing like she she's like the britney of this show where britney is just like doing her accent more and more she's to the point i don't even know what accent gina has got anymore. It's not even Long Island anymore. She says her A's like E's. She's like, yeah, well, it was really scary. Why are you talking like that? Are you from Minnesota and Long Island? What are you mixing together now?

29:12Ben Mandelker: Gina is looking more and more like she's in some TNT TV show about the mob. I swear to God. Not even HBO. Not even now, just TNT.

29:23Ronnie Karam: Because I just watched Mobland on my break and it was so good. And I'm like, yeah, Gina wouldn't even make that one.

29:27Ben Mandelker: She's not on a streamer. No. She's on DMT. Yeah.

29:33Ronnie Karam: So then Emily is like, I see only positive things in my life. And Shannon's like, well, I choose to continue on the healthiest path possible right after this Milky Way. I will take a moment. Well, I mean, it might not be the healthiest path, but it is a path. It's called the Milky Way. And I choose the Milky Way. I choose that way. My way or the Milky Way.

29:56Ben Mandelker: Jen is like, I am strong. And Katie's like, I am bringing health and positivity. It's like, nope, none of this is happening. So now, after their Golden Door experience comes to a close, we see Shannon driving. She's heading to LAX to pick up Sophie. So she's talking to her on the phone, and she's like, Sophie, how was the flight? Oh, crap. I went the wrong way. Looks like I'm going the wrong way on the highway. Whoops, sorry about that, everyone. I'm talking to my daughter. Just having a rough day. That's it. I can't unset Earl the Pearl's house in Georgia off of my maps. I can't reset it.

30:32Ronnie Karam: And then we get to Jen, and she's working out in her backyard, which is a step up from the parking lot she's usually working out in, so that's good. And, you know, Shanna's having her wacky, like, well, I can't find the airport. Where do I go? I'm wacky. I'm driving around LAX. I'll tell you what's lax. The signage around here. um so then we see gina uh at home with her kid and her kid's like mommy the dog poop but at least it's not diarrhea and it's time to yeah you know what we're setting a really low bar we're setting

31:10Ben Mandelker: a really low and then we go back to now sophie has gotten into shannon's car because this is like it's punctuated all these things are happening while shannon's literally picking up sophie and so sophie gets in and and she's like oh oh look at you um nice to see you we're not we're now where do i go what oh oh oh no oh my god i'm driving into the ocean oh sophie help us all she's on the tarmac yeah she's like herbie fully loaded she's under she's under a southwest flame like wait a minute this is this overpass is moving mother you just parked on a wing well i I guess we're getting a free flight to somewhere.

31:49Well, where in the world is Matt Lauer? Except it's Shannon. We don't talk about Matt Lauer anymore. I have no idea how I got lost and how I have some of these delicious Dijon mustard twisty pretzels. Thank you, Southwest. Boarding group C, kiss my cracker. Excuse me. Excuse me. You were there in the airplane. Do you happen to have a Biscoff cookie you can pass through the window over to our car?

32:11Ronnie Karam: Sorry, ma 'am. This is Southwest. We don't do that shit here. You can have some dry-ass ginger snaps. It tastes like chemicals.

32:19Ben Mandelker: Also, if we open up the window, the whole plane goes down. Oh, okay. It's already on the tarmac, but whatever. I thought this was my front yard. Okay, we won't have any biscoffs. How about this? How about we have some biscoffs, as in turn on your good attitude. What happened to the customer is always right.

32:41Ronnie Karam: So then we go over to Omelie at Shape Shop Who opened a place Called the Shape Shop? Fuck off with that That sounds like such a Gina place Oh my god, I'm gonna go buy a trapezoid It's like, no, you don't buy shapes there You guys wanna go work at a Shape Shop? We can go to Shake Shack after the Shape Shop Shape Shop Shape Shop, Shape Shop Shape Shop, Shape Shop Do you guys wanna go to Chop Shop or Shake Shack after the Shape Shop? Do you guys know? Do you want to go stop and shop afterwards? So we go over to shape shop, which is basically a place with these big roller things with like, I don't know, bumps on them.

33:22Ronnie Karam: And then supposedly they roll all over you and then they, they confuse your fat. Are they confusing your fat? What are they doing?

33:29Ben Mandelker: I think it's supposed to be that that stuff is supposed to like dissolve your fascia. That's like the thing. It looks like it's, you know what that place is like? It's like, Have you ever seen a documentary like how things are made and you ever see like a factory and you see a conveyor belt? And have you ever said to yourself, you know what I want to do? I want to put my leg at the end of that conveyor belt and see how that feels. That's what the shape shop is. It's like get all the fun of cuddling up on a conveyor belt without having to go to a factory.

33:58Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't really have money now to go to a shape shop because I spent it all on my eye. but i will tell you i do live on a very steep incline with asphalt so i'm just going to start rolling down that every morning i mean if that's all you need is some bumps to like undo your fat i'll do it yeah then how does your fat know what to do once it's been dislodged from the i just don't understand i don't believe it's true otherwise i'd ever everybody would be thin

34:23Ben Mandelker: everyone would be well um they walk in and the girl who works there they're like oh my they're like what is this because um it's a full body lymphatic drainage massage like okay what happened to the good old days of just shopping at zensations you know like does anybody really

34:39Ronnie Karam: need to be in the room while i'm getting a full body lymphatic drainage massage

34:46Ben Mandelker: am i am i massaging the lymphatic drainage it's like oh look at this what just drained out of you

34:50Ronnie Karam: let's touch it and massage it could you imagine going to that with me i don't even know it was like 20 year old dominoes seeping out of my port i don't even know what the fuck would come out of me toxic waste nobody needs to be around when that's happening yeah i don't listen i just had

35:05Ben Mandelker: some reese sticks i don't know why i don't want to see what they look like oh i had reese's uh minis oh they were so good what a delight so um and we're like oh they get all the gummy bear flout, oh, wacky. So they do all this stuff. They're rubbing up on these rolling pins, bumpy rolling pins. And then they go to a different room where they do infrared light therapy and stuff. Their legs wrapped up in those things and stuff. And Gina's like, to be honest, I thought we were going to be doing this kind of stuff at the Golden Door. So kudos to you, Tamara, because I see that you're really trying with Shannon, by the way.

35:44First of all,

35:46Ben Mandelker: save your yelp reviews for when you actually pay to go to that place next time because you got to go there for free so no complaints gina from the golden door and also you got to go on the labyrinth okay just it just just say thank you next time okay don't shave the golden door the first time

36:03Ronnie Karam: someone's ever been put into a labyrinth and the labyrinth was the one that was confused it was like the labyrinth yelp review is like what the fuck was that were those hair extensions was it tape what was that and what was that accent where's that person even from don't ever let that person back in they're like the golden door has shut down the labyrinth has shut itself

36:23Ben Mandelker: the labyrinth that went to like a labyrinth cocktail party and told the other labyrinth guys i'm thinking about just being a straight line i don't know it's like i've always heard

36:31Ronnie Karam: that expression about it's gonna become a freeway you know i always heard that expression about like

36:36Ben Mandelker: the living the straight and going the straight and narrow but i didn't really realize how it

36:39Ronnie Karam: apply to me until until gina so uh also while we're at this line gina kudos to you tamra because i see that you're really trying what have you seen tamra do that's an effort at all tamra has done nothing tamra did nothing but torture shannon the entire year last year and this year she's like i don't even understand why shannon is so mad at me i know this is this is classic gina started

37:08Ben Mandelker: of the season turning on your allies because last season Gina was on Shannon's side. Shannon had a DUI last season and Gina was like, I'm going to stand by you. I'm realizing you're in a lot of pain. I've been there too. They were sitting on the same sofa together at the reunion. There was everything. And now Gina's like, you know what? The way you stood up to Shannon, I see you're like really trying with that. Yeah, you're really trying to shine. You're not letting people activate you the way that you were last year.

37:40Ronnie Karam: You're so different now. Gina doing that thing where she has nothing, so she's just going to come start shit with everybody else, which I kind of support. So Gina's like, do you believe that Katie didn't talk to the blogger? And Emily's like, fuck that! She did! But you know what I didn't like? Shannon's standing up for Katie. I mean, what the hell? We're not allowed to bully people anymore. We're only changing the whole show. Yeah. Tamara's like, yeah, she was trying to make it seem like a gang up, but all it was was all of us just gang up on her but it's not a gang up. Right, bitch? And Gina's like, yeah, it wasn't a gang up.

38:15I mean, you were hurting everybody and now we want to address it with you and you want to sit there and victimize yourself?

38:21Ben Mandelker: Says Gina, who's always, first of all, this is exactly what she said about Jen last year. She's like, oh, so you can't bet your rats are going to victimize yourself? And who did she hurt? Who did Katie hurt? She's like, she hurt all of us. She literally like all she did was she just told the nanny oh yeah there's this podcast you can talk to like who the fuck cares and you're bringing more attention to it now on your show no one listened tell me who listened to a nanny on a random podcast even if it's not a random i don't remember what podcast it was but tell me who really even remembered okay good podcast i think i mean i think she has like a big

38:57Ronnie Karam: thing you know oh you're right it was bravo babe i didn't mean to shade bravo babe but i meant like does a good job but but i'm not just like you mean as far as bringing attention like it's this private entity that nobody can get a hold of you know how you can get a hold of julia roberts go on to fucking instagram and be like hey bitch i didn't like you and pretty woman and she'll write you back go fuck yourself i know also thirsty it's just kidding but they're acting like oh my god how did you get the number to this blocker you go on the fucking instagram how do you how else do you think nikki minaj is telling sisa off right now that's exactly what i was gonna say

39:29Ben Mandelker: She doesn't have her home number. Yeah. I was like, this is just like Kim Nosh and SZA. But I, um, I. You can tell I've been serving a lot of times scrolling through news on. I'm like, you've been at home. So, you know. But like thirsty, ancillary hangers on. Thirsty people are always, they know where the outlets are. Like, honestly, she could have never spoken to Katie and she would have found her way to someone like Bravo Babe. And I'm not saying like someone like, I mean, like just anyone, any podcast that's going to talk about this. sort of stuff. Yeah. But also, but like, okay, so this nanny, first of all, no one really cares about what the nanny has to say.

40:06Ben Mandelker: We might, maybe we would have repeated a few lines like, oh, we heard this from a nanny on, on crappy hour. We would have talked about it and laughed, but no one would have like really cared. And Emily's acting like the nanny spread news that like changed America. And it's like, no, like maybe we heard it. Maybe we laughed. Maybe we thought, oh, whatever. But by the way, we didn't need a nanny to tell us that you probably talked shit about Heather Dubrow in front of your kids because we all know that they're you did and we don't even blame you for it we actually support you for doing that yeah heather

40:33Ronnie Karam: is an asshole and whatever you said in front of your kids heather probably deserved it okay i don't know what we're all acting like oh my god someone said heather dubrow's an asshole heather dubrow is an asshole we all fucking know heather dubrow's heather dubrow knows heather dubrow's an asshole

40:46Ben Mandelker: she does so then okay so anyway i'm going back to my original point which is like gina saying she had all of us like who did she okay so that she so a nanny went on and talked that uh said that emily has like talked about heather in front of her kids the other point was that uh uh someone said that tamra uh someone alleged that tamra um was um uh coming up with like fake accounts to talk shit about people or whatever and then tamra's like not what she does too every housewife

41:16Ronnie Karam: does that you know they do janet's not the only one out there with 40 you know fake accounts

41:22Ben Mandelker: yeah the but either way the point is that so like the the other issue there was that katie called whoever was who was like being attacked by tamra over this situation and like was conciliatory to this person and not conciliatory but like was was what consoled them or something like that or had a kind conversation started leaking with that word i was like oh that that was too big i don't want to adjudicate this point but uh but like okay so there was that like is that really the biggest crime against humanity it's like shady and you can be like katie please don't do that don't get involved in my mess or whatever okay so that's two people how did this become she's hurt everyone first of all i don't see how anyone is hurt by any of these situations maybe they were annoyed maybe it was a nuisance but who was actually hurt i don't know and as far if people are hurt so far i count two people and you were cast of like seven so you guys went on

42:17Ronnie Karam: national tv and supported emily going up there and saying you go you're you're a bad mother and your kids were taken away from you because you're you're insane and unstable and blah blah blah blah blah that is the worst thing anybody can do to another mother and i cannot believe you all are sitting up here defending that fucking taco in her purse caring motherfucker over here i can't believe it i can't believe well i can't believe it because it's gina and she's spineless but still

42:42Ben Mandelker: no one hurt you especially you know it's so gina doesn't like gina does not like that katie is victimizing herself, says Gina, who's always like, I can't believe that Jen wasn't paying the rent. You know how that made me look bad as a real estate agent? The queen of victimization is Gina.

43:02Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Shannon and Katie meeting on a bench, and Shannon's like, oh, I'm sorry. It just hit you on the chin. I didn't mean to. I can't really feel my face. I got laser, and I have to wear a hat. I got laser, and I was on my face, and I got a facial, and I got a massage, and I got Botox. I mean, Shannon is barely moving.

43:25I decided to treat myself because after everything with Earl of Pearl, I was like, I deserve a facial and a laser. I got an air filter and oil change. I've switched out my kidney, and I've got one eyeball that's electric. Runs on watch batteries. Wookie, wookie, wookie, wookie. You can do it. It's electric is what the song always said. I didn't realize that you really could do it. so Shannon's like I it's you know it's not fun to have things sag I mean so if there's a laser that can snap it up I am going to do it as long as it's perfectly an organic laser and uh not made with any toxins but so you know it's just neck up because down below nope nope I'm not opening I'm not that is not up for business or open for business until I'm in a relationship so Earl the Pearl you can just wait on that one

44:14Ronnie Karam: so Katie's like thank you so much for standing up for me and telling the girls to stop bullying me the other day she's like oh I just I get it you know you feel this oh exhaustion it's just so hard and there's so many people coming after you and there's just so many people and I just someone needed to help you someone like me Shannon Bedore the most giving person and most understanding person in the world Shannon Bedore don't ever forget that especially by the end of this episode i um i i i i i just want i want when you get ganged up on i don't like that but this is also my way of saying when i get ganged up on which will probably happen very soon you better be there for me bitch it would be nice if you made an effort towards me next time that's all i'm saying okay and katie is like well that's a trauma response because i was married to a psycho and you know if i ever fought back with him it became worse and shannon's just like uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh oh my god i wonder if i plugged in my left eye why does it use lightning cables instead of usbc i just don't understand the technology well i just you know stephanie i just think that there were that you're calculated or you plan what you're going to say um my name's katie i'm pretty sure stephanie and you're new this season no i was here for a whole season prior Okay.

45:36No need to gaslight me. I already had enough of that from John Jansen. Stop ganging up on me. Where's my friend Gaty to help me?

45:47Ben Mandelker: Well, I wish I were smart enough to play chess. I mean, I can barely even play checkers. Oh, well, I, I, I can't. I thought we were here to play chess, actually. Are we not playing chess today? Please do not play chubby checker. I cannot, it's traumatizing to me Now if you want to trigger me Oh god I won't stand for that either I'll tell you who played checkers is my ex-husband David Bedore because he would Often go down to the beach and he would check her out All the sluts Checkers David Bedore who only gave a Cashier At the grocery store the checker Attention on my birthday Thank you very much

46:29Ronnie Karam: Sorry that took me a little while to get out By the way, this conversation is working. I'm just getting a little bit of an episode. Does anyone actually have any chess pie since we're talking about it? No? No? It was Fats Domino's favorite. No, I have not read his biography.

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48:38Ronnie Karam: So then we go to the other girls and Tamara's like, she's guilty. Guilty on every count. Katie's guilty. Send her to prison. And so, um, Katie, then we go back to Katie and Katie's like, I've apologized a hundred times. I'm sorry if I handled it incorrectly. I mean, what else am I supposed to do? She goes, okay, well, You know, you're saying things like, sorry if, not sorry that. So, you know, you need to say sorry that I, not sorry if I, because no one likes a sorry if I. No one likes, I forgot what we were talking about. Please do not talk about trauma again.

49:12Ben Mandelker: Katie's like, well, I mean, so, okay. I, you know, here, let me try it from the top then. Here's the thing, Shannon. You're about to say but. No, okay. I am regretful of everything I did. but why would i go okay uh how about this i am regretful of that however however however and however carries across the wind across the ocean an animatronic mannequin starts coming to

49:42Ronnie Karam: life it's like jesus christ and the power of jesus christ please raise me up these are swirling Slate gets out of bed. You see him dusting off a mannequin. And suddenly the mannequin's head pops up and it's scratching. Hi, I've been summoned.

50:04Ben Mandelker: So basically Shannon's like, just stop saying but, just apologize. And Tamara, she's like, you know, it's important for me to have compassion for Katie right now. Because I've been in her situation with multiple people coming at me multiple times. And maybe I just wish that when it happened to me, someone had come to me and said, I know how it feels. It would have been nice for someone to have stood up for me one of the million times. And also, I really don't have a choice because Tamara still hates me and Heather still does what Tamara says. And Emily and Gina are still following whatever those two idiots do.

50:38So I basically need a friend. All right, Jennifer, we're friends. We're officially friends.

50:44Ben Mandelker: so then we go back so then we go back to tamra who tamra at one point was like here's the thing with kitty bitch she's a silent assassin i'm like we have to stop saying silent assassin have you heard of many loud assassins are not known for like walking with a boom box like hey everyone i'm gonna come kill someone right now i think the silence is implied extremely accomplished assassin it's like you're complimenting her you know so tamra's like so are you guys gonna go to the katina katie party i mean yeah i mean you gotta prove yourself to yourself that you're not gonna let her get to you like that's uh what happened to the bali and the wind whatever like aren't you supposed to be on a spiritual journey gina like shouldn't you be going to be like we had this coffee we settled things at the coffee allegedly so you should be going hoping to turn over a new leaf not to prove to yourself that you could like hang out with katie and not get mad because by the way you're gonna get mad because that's who you are gina well and i also love that they're just like wow

51:50Ronnie Karam: katie diabolical katie inviting everybody to hot pot what a bitch they're just upset it's not

51:57Ben Mandelker: javier's they like don't they really have no idea what to do with hot pot they're like so confused

52:02Ronnie Karam: they don't and he's like guys i'm giving you all chances to make your culturally inappropriate boomer jokes and i'm not even getting points for this

52:17Ben Mandelker: here here's what drives me nuts first of all hot pot is not a foreign concept in terms of like it's not a hard thing to conceptualize it's not also saying pot is hot pot is not a hard thing to say or remember so the more they are like hot pocket am i right the more they're just like really showing their asshole like it's just like it's like look at that silly concept over there hot

52:38Ronnie Karam: pot hot pot sounds like a pocket am i right yeah um so emily's like wow can you imagine the things she's done that we don't even know about can you imagine emily's still getting herself all worked up over there. So then Tamara goes, Okay, everybody, here's the thing. Last year, Katie was filming Shannon having a full-blown meltdown at our gallery shop. And they were sharing a dressing room. And then, okay, let me explain to you, audience. A gallery shoot is what we do at the end of the season. That's where we take our pictures. And some of the airbrushes and stuff. And then Shannon was being a terrible person.

53:14And then Katie got it all on film. And then she sent it to Alexis Bellino. You heard it here first, Natch?

53:21Ben Mandelker: man uh you know tamra is so outraged um hey remember uh when we were on tour when we recapped the ireland episode and heather dubrow secretly filmed kelly dot having a meltdown and they all laughed about it oh anyway oh yeah so it's totally this is terrible what katie did i totally agree

53:40Ronnie Karam: and tamra you're just jealous you weren't holding the phone yeah because they're also always trying to prove that shannon's a monster which at this point i I believe. I mean, how many accounts do we need of Shannon just losing her shit backstage and telling everybody off and acting like a diva? I mean, we've had them filmed. My favorite was when she was in Mexico. She was she was trying to run away and take off her mic. And they're like, Shannon, no, you have to stay. It's like, no, she's like screaming at the whole the whole cast and crew and everybody. I mean, we know that she's a monster, but, you know, Tamara, I would think that you'd be more loving of that videotape because it just gave you evidence.

54:16Ben Mandelker: here's here's the thing i don't think any of us are really questioning like a lot of the veracity of these allegations that everyone's saying um it's more like making us care because i think at this point we've accepted shannon is a mess she becomes very activated she loses her mind she's a diva we accept katie is messy she's clunky with her mess too she leaves a paper trail that's like easily traceable she's not good with it she's talked to bloggers quote-unquote bloggers um We get it all. But you have to actually make us want to feel like those are bad things. We just accept them. We're like, okay, that's fine.

54:53Ben Mandelker: It's just who they are.

54:54Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's kind of why we love you guys. You can't try. It's like you're mad at Superman for flying.

55:01Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I am a little mad at Superman for flying, though.

55:09Ben Mandelker: Like walk with the rest of us.

55:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's kind of unfair. Like you're already hot. Isn't that your superpower? hour you already get everything you're like a hot like you're a hot white man who's like well worked out like you don't even have to diet or exercise whatever and you can fly fuck off i need ugly people to be able to i think we're like we need to run fast we need to get away faster you know

55:30Ben Mandelker: i think we all agree with the exception of georgia from next gen new york city that superman is very privileged so she's like superman has worked for everything that he's gone through so katie superman's really into bowling you guys so basically that's the katie like that they're saying um yeah like shannon comes in crazy and whatnot and no one no one in the audience is is surprised so tamra goes shannon was pissed off that alexis was there the same time she was and shannon started screaming and cussing and katie was on her phone with her husband and she hung up with that it's like anything i press record and showed it to alexis and gina's like she showed it to alexis

56:24Ronnie Karam: so katie tells her version she goes yeah shannon comes in like holding her phone with 600 bags of her hair of hair or 600 bags and her hair up here it's all out and she's half asleep and she's like screaming into the phone because that's what Shannon does all the time. So you know what? You know, I know I love Shannon and I love Shannon's emotional breakdowns. But Shannon's a fucking monster. And at some point, someone at your job is going to be making fun of you and taking videos of you acting crazy. I mean, there's a whole subculture, you know, devoted to Karen videos. And I watch them all. I love them.

56:58Ronnie Karam: So if you're going to act like that, then be prepared to get videotaped, Shannon.

57:02Ben Mandelker: That's my favorite thing is when someone is a total nightmare, no matter what the context is, but they're a nightmare. And then they're horrified that someone would film them. Like there is a line that was crossed. Now, you crossed the line when you started treating people like garbage.

57:18Ronnie Karam: So, Shannon, I love you, but I'm not going to take the Karen side, okay? Because in those videos, whenever there's like someone, I was just watching a really good one.

57:26Ben Mandelker: What's wrong? No, no. I was going to say, I love Shannon. I'm not going to take the Karen side. And however, I'm not going to stand for this Karen behavior if it's not going to be put on the TV show. Well, that's true. That's true.

57:39Ronnie Karam: But I was watching a really good Karen video the other day. And there were actually a few comments that were like, this isn't cool to tape people like this, you know, in public. We need to all stop taping each other. And that's absolutely ridiculous that someone is taping. That's unfair to this lady. Like she's allowed to have a bad day. No, this lady was not just having a bad day. She was abusing workers at a place, you know, whatever. We've all seen these videos. And I'm not going to take that side. And even for you, Shannon, if you're acting like that and somebody is sitting there, they have the right to videotape your ass.

58:11Ronnie Karam: That's it. Don't act like a jackass if you don't want it on the Internet. OK.

58:15Ben Mandelker: And that lady was named Nicole Kidman. There. We said it.

58:23Ben Mandelker: So what does everybody think? I don't know Spanish. I don't know Spanish. All right. This is an Australian accent. Hello, I've been sitting here for five hours and no one's even brought me a prosthetic nose yet. So Tamara's like, yeah, Shannon was just pissed off because Alexis, like, you know, Alexis could use that video against her. And Gina's like, oh, my God, active lawsuit. Like, that was an active lawsuit. She got harmed illegally. She got harmed her. john and alexis were making accusations that they had videos of shannon displaying behavior that was not the best so the last thing you want is someone videotaping you and sending it to the person you're in lawsuit with i mean god forbid there's any sort of video evidence of shannon being irrational or acting a bit deranged thank goodness there's no no footage of that whatsoever and and thank god there's not a treasure trove of it going back i don't know 10 or 11 years god that would be terrible be terrible if this is the first they finally found the footage from katie's phone finally found the footage of shannon mador secret footage of shannon acting like a fucking

59:32Ronnie Karam: nutcase so tamra pulls her like oh my god what's shannon gonna do once she finds this information after that i've been sitting on until we were filming again is it something that i need to tell her it's a good person i've been going to therapy you guys 77 toothpicks 77 toothpicks

59:52Ben Mandelker: so emily's like no don't bring it up because it's gonna the content of the videos and get bogged down by saying that you're trying to divide divide someone so so don't bring it up whatsoever and you know gina's like got it i bring it up on behalf of tamra and then i catch all this shit and then i wonder in the midway through the season why tamra always gets away with things got it bloody yeah so she's like you know i just feel bad because like i'm the one who brought katie to the group and now she's acting like this and always feel yeah so gina she just feels so embarrassed gina this was this was already last season you you can't play this card for two seasons in a row gina katie is not the newbie anymore you can't like you can't use this as the excuse for why you're gonna go after this girl anymore like that was all of last year's bullshit new storyline please from you thank you so then we go to Shannon's house and she's going to have a wacky scene with Sophie who's back from New York City.

1:00:53Ben Mandelker: So Sophie's going through the fridge. She's like, Mom, why does it smell like this? Did someone die? What? Did someone die? No, only the embers of my relationship with John Jansen. Oh, God. Thank you, Alexis Bellino. Give me that pineapple juice. I can smell it. Is it the pineapple juice? Is it? Teresa Jude, I said it would do something to my hoo-ha.

1:01:16Ronnie Karam: She's like, oh, my God. You were supposed to drink this before December 2024. I'm on a simpid. I can't tell time anymore. I don't know. Quiet. I'm trying to lose weight. Oh, well, you. And did you notice this is such a mother daughter thing that she does? She goes, I'm just trying to lose weight, Sophie. Oh, by the way, you've lost weight, Sophie. She gives us like really tight smile. Mothers who are constantly telling you to lose weight. And then the second you do, they're like, oh, wow. Thank you for trying to compete with me by losing weight. Good luck with that. I'm bigger. I'm stronger. I always win.

1:01:55I brought you into this world and I'll take you out. Losing five pounds without my permission. Well, I guess that's what you get. Because I guess now you're a New Yorker. You're a fancy. You're a New Yorker, right?

1:02:05Ben Mandelker: No, mom. You have to be there for 10 years before you're a New Yorker. Oh, thank God. There's still hope. So we find out that Sophie has graduated and she works in sports. and she works out every day and she eats healthy in case you couldn't tell from her healthy lifestyle. But she also broke up with her boyfriend, which I'm so happy about because I was really nervous that she was just going to settle down after college and live like a boring life, you know, somewhere.

1:02:30Ronnie Karam: Well, Sophie was looking like the one that she was like going to get real religious, go settle down on a farm somewhere, just start popping out kids immediately, right? Like, I think that was the fear, at least for me. I was like, wow, Sophie.

1:02:43Ben Mandelker: And she did. But she went to New York City instead. I mean, like, all her kids have fled Orange County and gone to liberal centers. I don't know if Shannon knows what to do. I, uh, wow, I don't know how I feel about this. Okay. Well, Sophie's new hobbies include, um, paying a lot of taxes. Okay. voting for insane things and I don't even know what they do in New York. I'm flummoxed. I'm flummoxed. Rats and sodomy. Well, Sophie's choice. I guess she made it. I guess she had to choose between two things that she loves and I guess I wasn't part of that equation. She chose between a city of liberal idiots and her mother and the liberal idiots won.

1:03:38Well, I I thought Sophie's choice was supposed to be hard and you were supposed to not choose the thing that you hated but that's fine you did hate that at one point didn't you

1:03:49Ronnie Karam: so Shannon talks about how she hasn't gone on a date in a year I guess she's not including any of Love Island or Love Hotel because she went on some dates I got a text

1:04:02people don't realize that I actually had a relationship with a young man named Nicholas and they called us Nicholas Shannon. And people were really obsessed with us. I only dated him because I thought he was Captain Sandy. So, it was awkward. He made me many pancakes, which, of course, I could not eat because too many carbs. But I appreciated the sentiment, and I just would throw them down at the beach and hope it would hit a slut. I'm not sure if they did. But anyway, I loved being on Love Island. Then I went to the hotel. hoping they'd hit a slut but they did so okay so um she's like i have made myself very very vulnerable i even had a um anniversary drink for myself to celebrate how strong i became

1:04:54Ronnie Karam: one year after my dui so that's still the weirdest shit that's happened this year Shannon toasting herself for DUI a year before. It's so weird. And, you know, Love Hotel is coming out. So, you know, I've made a lot of male friends. So if I have an event to go to, I've asked a few of them, will you go with me? And they all said, sorry, I live in Maryland. I said, well, that's just a small detail. If you really liked me, you would come out here. And then they said no. And so what I did was I painted a little rock. and I named it Ace and now I pretend like I'm in a relationship with someone and we're in a relationship called Chalice so it's fun it's fun

1:05:40Ronnie Karam: so her kid's like what does that mean mom like you're dating a mailman now well gotta work so then we go to Shane sitting in a car and he's picking up Emily and Emily's like oh my god Shane at least you didn't drive away this time when I was trying to get in like you usually do oh wow that is so shame like whoops press the gas oh okay just walk up a little more honey i'm just like ah just kidding just hit the gas again jane listen you can't spell snarkasm without

1:06:14Ben Mandelker: car am i right so she's like sarcasm it's like oh my god it's it's so hot in here i can't believe

1:06:24Ronnie Karam: It might be the burrito you're wearing as a purse. Well, that too, but geez, how do I make this thing work? It's like, honey, it's an air vent. They've worked the same for 50 years.

1:06:36Ben Mandelker: Are you sure about that? Can I put a taco in it?

1:06:42You know, look, this guy is still an asshole, okay?

1:06:46Ronnie Karam: I don't care what anybody says. He's still an asshole, but I kind of get his point. I mean, Emily is just too much. It's like, oh my God, I didn't even make the air work.

1:06:56Ben Mandelker: i know it's it's a bit much oh i have an update which is that on the last orange county episode i said something like i thought kelly dodd had said like i look funny more like funny looking and kelly dodd never said that that was princess's long island and i just conflated kelly dodd saying that because it just seems like something kelly dodd would say but it was actually a quote from princess love love island princess long island i'm actually shocked that kelly dot didn't say

1:07:24Ronnie Karam: that because i would guess that in a trivia that i would attribute that to kelly dot yeah you're funny funny looking that makes sense she called me funny looking

1:07:38Ben Mandelker: so um emily is talking starts talking about luke and she's saying that luke has really declined over the past week because they went to the movies and then he like took out the like the phone flashlight and was inspecting every Friday before he ate it. And then he didn't want to go to school and he was being like really, really difficult. And she had to like get him dressed and she had to do everything. Um, and she's just saying like, you know, it's a struggle. And as a mother, the decline really breaks my heart. And Shane's like, well, I don't know why you keep saying as a mother, I'm a parent too, you know?

1:08:09Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, but like, it's easy for you to say it. Cause it's an isolated man. He'll be fine. So,

1:08:15Ronnie Karam: you know, she's like, fine. And as a as a goblin, how do you feel?

1:08:20Ben Mandelker: Jesus, Shane, as a king of snarkasm, how do you feel about it?

1:08:25Ronnie Karam: And basically, he's like, you know, my approach is I just want to make him feel like all of this is normal and he's not like standing out or being weird in any kind of way, you know, and then she just doesn't work like that, you know. And, you know, I'm not here to like mom shame someone and tell someone what they can and how to deal with it. I don't know. I mean, I would imagine that's what she's describing sounds like it would freak me out as a parent, too. You know, you're throwing all these hurdles and I don't know the best way to deal with it. So I'm not going to judge what she's doing. I don't love the eating disorder stuff, bringing it up on TV because that kid's got to go to school like these people.

1:09:00Ronnie Karam: You know, it's like you're just giving kids ammunition. And I don't know. I don't know where the line is, like what you're allowed to bring up with your kids and what you're not allowed to bring up. but it seems like something like eating disordered stuff should be something that the kids should be able to bring up in their own time if they want to i don't know that that's it just makes me uncomfortable with emily doing that i don't like it but of course i don't really like emily either

1:09:20Ben Mandelker: so this just adds kind of i think it's a fair point it's a fair point like for me i was responding to the idea that there are probably other parents out there that probably are taking great comfort in seeing a similar story on tv but i also think for the child yeah they do have to go to school And like like children are terrible and they and they often have terrible parents. And so their parents will probably be like, well, you know, he has a he has a he has a ARFIT. And then the kids are going to go taunt him. I don't know. I don't know what's right. Yeah.

1:09:48Ronnie Karam: I'm just like it's already feeling weird. You know, sort of like put this out there and put this on TV. It just feels gross to me. So, I mean, I kind of get where Shane's coming from as the dad where he's like, well, like if you're if your kid is going through this extreme emotional stuff, Maybe the best thing to do is not to overreact in front of the kid constantly. Like maybe. But again, I'm not a parent, so I don't really know. But it's making me feel a little queasy with Emily's choice. Yeah.

1:10:16Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Jen's house and Kitty and Matt come over and Kitty says, last year Matt was really hesitant to get to know Ryan because of, you know, all the allegations surrounding the FBI and just seemed so salacious. but now having gone to know Ryan, there's really nothing to hate about him except, you know, maybe his fashion. That's really rough. Even.

1:10:35Ronnie Karam: I mean, you know, now basically what we know about Ryan is that he knows how to get away with crimes. And that made Matt, Matt much more comfortable. So,

1:10:47Ben Mandelker: so, um, so there, Jen's telling everyone about how they're sitting outside and she's like saying how everyone piled on Katie at the golden door. And Matt's like, I mean, who are these people that think they can just sit on a, moral tower of judgment let's roll the clip again of matt steering clear of ryan because of the

1:11:04Ronnie Karam: association i think that was too soon to the clip we just saw of you matt okay yeah let's create some

1:11:10Ben Mandelker: separation listen i totally supported him trying to steer clear of ryan i'd be like look this guy's involved in some yeah there's like an organized criminal over here i'm gonna i'm gonna stay it clear i'm a public person on a very important golf channel so i don't want to be in the mix with this I support that 100%. But it is funny because he was sort of morally indignant. And now he's like, who are all these morally indignant people? Yeah.

1:11:32Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Tamara's house and she's getting renovations done. We had a problem with the sink overflowing. I'm not sure what the hell happened in that house, but it doesn't look like an overflowing sink. I mean, what the hell? The whole place is being excavated. It's like a housewife second season. Like, do my whole thing. Do everything. Is this Lynn Curtin's face?

1:11:53Ben Mandelker: so i was like i'm stepping on lynn's nose right now so heather comes over she's oh are you doing construction again she says that in this judgy way as if we didn't just sit and watch heather just like tear a mansion down to its studs almost for fun and now is planning on abandoning it oh really construction again how interesting is drake next door are you trying to show off for him no

1:12:15Ronnie Karam: that's just me i see drink so they go sit up in tamra's bedroom um to kiki oh and heather also reminds us that she's super cool heather now i've brought onion rings do you remember when people were upset because i wouldn't let terry eat onion rings at his own barbecue well here they are

1:12:38Ben Mandelker: onion rings they're my thing now champs and onion rings isn't this hilarious america i'm like heather you need a new prop those are from like your first go around on orange county like just i at this point i don't care just find an object do mad libs find an object and talk about it a lot and make that your new thing because the onion rings and the champs has been played out she tries so

1:12:59Ronnie Karam: hard to be iconic every season and it cracks me up she's like oh and you know now um i have champs but i can't leave it on i can't leave a ring here because you remember last year i spilled espresso martinis hold on

1:13:18Ben Mandelker: do you remember when i broke the worldwide web that's what they call it the information super highway cracked in half after i spilled that martini so yeah because she they go up to tamra's room because heather's like no let's eat dirty we don't need a plate i am cool i am down with the people um so there's a uh coaster that's there that says, don't stay in my table, douchebag. Oh my God, that is so funny. I love how sincere I am right now saying that this coaster is funny. This is a very funny coaster. Heather hates it. Tacky piece of shit.

1:14:00Ronnie Karam: So she goes, that's a lot in your mouth. And Tamara's like, that's a lot in your mouth. Yeah, that's what she said.

1:14:09It's a good one.

1:14:10Ben Mandelker: Anyways, I hung out with Gretchen the other day. Oh, God. And then here we go. A flashback of Heather and Gretchen hugging and Heather saying, oh, my God, we match. Oh, my God. I have the same dress. I die. And I just want to remind you that you did not get that role on Hot in Cleveland. That was me. Okay. Just wonder. Or was it Malibu country? Either way, you are not booked and blessed. Look at us. We have the same looking dress, except the double C's on mine. don't wash off. That's fun. Oh, we were just laughing, me and Gretchen, about, you know, stuff we used to do, you know, all that stuff I used to do with Gretchen.

1:14:51Ronnie Karam: Do you remember? I don't either. Did it involve onion rings? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

1:14:57Ben Mandelker: All those things we used to do, for instance, I would go and hang out with Reba McIntyre on her hit show, Malibu Country, while Gretchen would sit there and listen to me and say things like, Like, oh, Aunt Heather, tell me another story about that superstar Reba McIntyre that I did not get to work with because I did not land that role.

1:15:17Ronnie Karam: Wow. We knew each other at one time when she tried to seal my career. And then it had been, what, 12, 14 years? I don't know. Something like that. And since then, we've kept in touch. Way to sell it, Heather.

1:15:31Ben Mandelker: We have seen each other socially. for instance when i have um run into her as she is buying things at goodwill and i am donating things so it's been really wonderful seeing her again you know that she'll come get things out

1:15:48Ronnie Karam: of your car you don't need to take it out yourself just open the trunk and she'll get it out herself

1:15:53Ben Mandelker: she apparently um has been serving the country as part of the salvation army so i'm so proud of her

1:16:03Ronnie Karam: I always thought she would be good in the army Because she basically blends into anything She's just two eyes You could just put her up against a wall

1:16:12Ben Mandelker: She looks like a forest owl And I mean that in the kindest way Or an owl specifically

1:16:18Ronnie Karam: And so Tamara's like, does she even have a nose? Yeah, she has a nose Because on Instagram it looks like her nose is blurred And then we see pictures on Instagram and those pictures are hilarious. I mean, she does take off her entire nose. She even does it for her daughter. Her daughter is just like a little marshmallow with curly hair on top.

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