#2935 RHOA S16E19 Part 1: Junebug Don’t You Lose My Number

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1:21Ben Mandelker: I was watching The Real Housewives of Orange County the other night, And I was thinking so much of this drama could have been solved with turkey. I think that about so many things. Exactly. Just get everyone around the table with a delicious meal, a turkey meal. That's how you bring people back together. What if it wasn't Thanksgiving? Being the Grand Dame isn't a one-day-a-year affair. Every day is a chance to get down with turkey burgers, ground turkey, and more. Eating turkey is like watching Bravo. You can do it anytime. And the more you do it, the happier you are.

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2:49Ben Mandelker: Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

2:51Ronnie Karam: Good. You've been burgling hamburgers today or what?

2:55Ben Mandelker: Sure have been. I've been on a big streak with these nautical stripes lately. I was wearing a totally different nautical stripes t-shirt last week for two of our recaps. So I guess it's just it's in. I'm going to be stealing burgers and going to the high seas.

3:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Bennett, so do you. He's on the East Coast, so he's very East Coast-y today. You look very handsome, Ben. You look like you fit right in with those little hobnobbers.

3:23Ben Mandelker: You know what? I have my eyes out and open for our Potomac cast, although I'm actually not even near Potomac. But I am here in Maryland, and I had some delicious crab over the weekend. And it's wonderful being here. It's very humid. Very humid. I've gotten very spoiled with L.A. weather. Yeah. But you know what? It's all that we stay. Yeah. But I've had a wonderful time here. And yeah, thank you, Maryland, for being a wonderful state.

3:54Ronnie Karam: To give an Academy Award acceptance speech to Maryland. Yeah, I'd like to thank Maryland. I'd like to thank American Airlines for everything you guys have done. Everyone, welcome to the show. We are doing our first Amazon Live. Can you believe they're letting us on that? I can't. Is it going to be insane? Probably. Yeah, it's going to be so weird. So come join us. We don't know what it's going to be like, but we're going to be on it. It's going to be this Tuesday at 5.30 p.m. Pacific time on Amazon Live. Check our socials right before, and we'll give better instructions. Once we figure it out, we'll let you figure it out.

4:26Ronnie Karam: So join us. We're doing that. Otherwise, I think we're having a pretty normal week this week. I am in Angie Kay's sunglasses today because I got my eyes dead last week. And apparently, I swell and bruise more than most, I found out.

4:40Ben Mandelker: Welcome to my life. Are you a swell and bruiser? Yeah, sure am. I'm a swaller and a blue. Well, technically I have what's called light hemophilia. So there I'm like, I am bruising and I'm swelling like mad. When you've also got very heavy hemophilia.

4:59Ronnie Karam: What do you think about that?

5:01Ben Mandelker: When I had my wisdom teeth taken out when I was 18, that's when this was discovered because my face swole up and I looked like Jay Leno. I went to school and everyone called me Jay Leno, in fact. So I was like, hmm, something's going on here. Jay Leno

5:17Ronnie Karam: I think a modern term would be a real housewife at a reunion because you swell up right before the reunion you go get all your injections and all your all your dids done so that's what's happened it's episode 2 reunion episode 2 of real housewives of Atlanta what will happen will Shamir and Portia fight about stupid shit probably will Angela pull things out of a folder probably

5:45Ben Mandelker: this episode i thought was much better than the first yeah i thought this was much better than the first episode you were very fortunate to uh not have to recap the first episode because the first episode they were like treading water they didn't have brit they were just like half the episode was and he just been like hey how are you doing today like there was nothing to talk about but this time this episode i felt like we got into some other again stupid shit but at least

6:10Ronnie Karam: there was stuff to get into you know yeah why is shamia dressed with a shoe tongue on her i know it that's such a good point me crazy dr scholls shoe tongue yes or like it's like sticking up

6:24Ben Mandelker: from the bottom of the frame it's like sticking up like it just keeps on intruding it's supposed to be i think like maybe a flower petal or a peacock feather but it's like popping up through the bottom of the frame and it's just like wiggling every time she gets mad it's very

6:35Ronnie Karam: detracting it's just a shoe tongue it's a shoe tongue and then she they have that whole segment like samia's so rich she's rich rich look at sterling hall look at the chandeliers look at your look at your shoe tongue hanging off your dress you are too rich to be dressed like that

6:51Ben Mandelker: why yeah i know i know well there's a lot of questionable looks i mean phadra's earrings

6:57Ronnie Karam: really still continue to uh well phadra looks puzzle me yeah she looks like two door knockers She's got two door knockers as earrings. And yeah, she looks crazy. But you know, I will say Phaedra did a great job. I mean, I think she comes in here and she filmed 10 days. I think I heard like a little over 10 days, only 10 days. She said it on the reunion. Oh, she did say it. She did mention inside sources are watching the TV show. I'm like, my inside sources have told me it was a TV show. She told me.

7:27Ben Mandelker: Well, no, I mean, there was inside sources for a while, but then she sort of said it on last week's episode. but yeah it's crazy she was only on for 10 10 uh episodes but she has taken over the reunion part of that is because we don't have brit but um the other part is like phaedra's a pro you know she she's like in the mix all of a sudden right right after only just 10 days of shooting my question is why did they add more days of shooting why did they extend the shooting

7:54Ronnie Karam: like a schedule things like that this season cannot handle more days of shooting they barely made it through the season they had. They needed nine less episodes I think on this season. That would have helped this season. We don't need more shooting. We need better shooting. So here we are. Real Housewives of Atlanta. We are starting with Angela accusing Phaedra of being behind the Marcus Sitch. Oh my god. First of all, that guy is too thirsty to believe. I can't believe anybody is giving that guy any credence. I know.

8:29Ben Mandelker: I mean, this guy is full of shit. 100%. And Angela really going after Phaedra. I mean, I think that Angela's just trying to secure a storyline for the next season, right? She's like, I'll go after one of the big dogs. But Andy's like, Angela, why were you certain it was Phaedra that sent this man to the group? And she's like, well, Phaedra just wanted to secure a spot. And Phaedra's like, you don't remember Bravo came to me and begged me to be on this show. I'm not trying to secure my spot. I am secure.

9:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and they give them a couple-year contracts, the big ones. They're like, okay, we're going to guarantee that you're going to be on here at least two years. We won't make you look too stupid. So I think that's what she does.

9:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Phaedra's a hot commodity. After the traders, people want Phaedra. She's in commercials. No one else on this cast is in commercials.

9:22Ronnie Karam: so yeah i think she's from the doritos commercial please address her as such you have some respect so she's like um yeah and he agrees he's like yeah it's kind of secure nbc uni spent a lot of money on phaedra okay and angela's like well and porsche what i found alarming about porsche is that she's so eager to believe phaedra when phaedra is a known liar and phaedra carried all this candy stuff and made portia come out with it on tv portia should know but angela we got to forget i mean you don't have to forget or forgive really anything especially that candy situation but it was so long ago and so much happens on these shows that that's like i felt like that was told in old newsreel footage at this point yeah are we watching steamboat willie why are you bringing that up it's too you're not even involved in that angela my god you were like 50 when that happened.

10:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but I actually liked her bringing that up because it needed to be addressed in some form. It just sort of was brushed under the rug. It's like, there was a big deal that happened between these two. So we should talk about that at some point. By the way, the air conditioner just came on right next to the microphone. Can you hear it? Is it disruptive to everyone's ears out there in podcast land or is it okay?

10:37Ronnie Karam: I don't know. I don't hear it, but I think the sound of air conditioning in the summer, like reading what's going on across the country i think that people are probably glad to hear the sound of air conditioning you know there's a lot of hot i have to say to this right now it's an it's an immersive podcast because now

10:52Ben Mandelker: we get to know what it sounds like to be like right up against angela's face while her fan is blowing it's like it's like the air conditioner knew we're talking about angela's like oh you

11:00Ronnie Karam: need to be cooled down right now i think we get to know what it sounds like inside andy's head right now because that's what andy's face looks like andy looks like they just dragged him out of the bed and just handed him some cards he's like no please not another one please don't do this to me

11:21Ben Mandelker: so many reunions um so angela is basically like yeah you know like uh why are you so weak to believe her when she like threw you under the bus or the bridge i think she says threw you under the bridge at one point or is that another reunion it's hard to remember at this point no jack said under the bridge on the valley a lot of metaphors that go around on bravo so porsche's like well Well, I mean, I think I said that like I was thinking, everybody's thinking this whole thing is not silly, but like nothing about the guy and like what he says was looking real. So like the Junior, the G-Bug, whoever he said, and just like, Junebug, Junebug, Junebug was just to protect his sister.

11:59Ben Mandelker: I'm like, well, it's so much for that.

12:03Ronnie Karam: I was cracking up because then you hear someone just go, Junebug. Junebug. Junebug. It's Porsche, I think. i mean i started cracking up june bug so um yeah so they're talking about june bug now and angela's like but the issue is real like why is everybody saying this issue is real maybe the name's stupid but the issue is real and porch is like please that man is lying you know and she's like where's the lie where's the lie fade where's the lie he lied multiple times first he said first he said it was someone who brought him then he said it was somebody else then you guys went and talked you and drew showed up to talk to him and then he changed his story i mean the guy changes the story

12:42Ben Mandelker: he's not a reliable witness man okay he is not this is yeah the whole thing the fact that he sort of just like showed up yeah no that's weird no so phaedra's like he doesn't know me and he's just like yeah but he knows your brother and he knows your sister he's just like well just because someone knows my brother or sister but he doesn't know anyone else it's like but i don't know everyone my brother knows so shamia's like well i think it would be kind of bogus friends

13:10Ronnie Karam: have you been i'll ever look through your family's facebook friends if i were ever confronted with who my family is friends with on facebook i would have been canceled 90 years ago you can't you can't hold who people are facebook friends with of your siblings against you are you is that a lot in the

13:27Ben Mandelker: court of law no i also think like who your facebook friends with it doesn't even matter anymore first of all, who cares about Facebook these days? I went on to Facebook the other day. I saw three updates from friends, and they weren't even close friends. It was the random people who were like, everyone, I found the most beautiful caterpillar in my driveway today. And you're like, I don't even know who you are while you're updating about this. And then the rest was just suggested posts. It was like, here's a suggested post from the New York Jets. Here's one about a movie theater that was built in 1903 in Los Angeles.

14:00Ben Mandelker: Here's one from like everything is like like i don't even know what the algorithm is doing anymore

14:04Ronnie Karam: i love your algorithm because it's like somewhat intelligent mine is so stupid it's all love island it's like here's the real reason hood knows how to twerk you know and then it's a lot i get that stuff too it's a lot of ai stories that are just made up and then here's what lala said about the valley for years i have struggled in a war a war of conscience and now i'm like lala would never speak like this you guys are just making shit up now or they'll be like the little dolphin that saved the girl from a dinosaur and it's a dolphin coming out of the ocean with a baby while a dinosaur swimming out i'm like this is just this is all ai craziness i don't even know how anybody is on there except i'm on there all the time because i really like ai news i mean a dinosaur saving a baby a dolphin saving a baby from a dinosaur actually you know what we should bring Facebook back.

14:51Ronnie Karam: Make it more popular again. Yay AI!

14:55Ben Mandelker: I have to say, I just went onto my Facebook to see if I could pull up something random. But I was so mad that I went and I closed all the things. And now my algorithm, I think I feel like I scared the algorithm straight for a moment. So right now, it is actually serving me updates from friends. But again, the only people who are updating on Facebook are the people who are updating really lame stuff, let's be honest.

15:17Ronnie Karam: If you watch one post,

15:18Ben Mandelker: I think I go on it all day.

15:20Ronnie Karam: Like I watched one food post because, you know, they do like catchy food posts on there where they're like, we made a wedding cake out of potato chips. See how it happened. So I'll watch that. And now everything. It's like I put pasta on my table and poured boiling water on it and then put some Doritos and pasta sauce. It's a delicious meal for my family. I'm shocked at what these trad wives are feeding their families. And I'm finding out on these Facebook posts. They're horrifying. They're horrifying. Yeah. Talk about children who swell up easily. those kids those kids have no hope okay anyway facebook facebook good or bad discuss the point

15:58Ben Mandelker: is i mean also let's not forget facebook is the same platform that has suggests like um david geffen to us and like laura dern and like honestly at this point there are people on my facebook i don't even know like we're i'm not even gonna talk about like my brother who i don't know about my brother's friends i don't even know about my friends on facebook there are people who are giving updates about like this just in had a wonderful brunch i'm like who are you why are my friends with you how did you become my facebook friend yeah i just stopped accepting people

16:26Ronnie Karam: yeah yeah so angela the point is angela accuses defense yeah weak defense so angela accuses or

16:33Ben Mandelker: weak offense just weak fence it's a weak fence it's a weak fence so angela is uh angela's accusing

16:44Ronnie Karam: Phaedra of being a self-producer. Angela, you've literally followed this restaurant man around, taken him to dinner, compiled evidence, brought him on camera. You are producing, man. This is what producing is. And I'm not saying that Phaedra is not self-producing. I think they all do. As we find from their confession last week that they've been planning this alliance of the girls. That's what the fight is about today. This alliance and who's included. You're all self-producing. It's just you're getting caught and you're You're kind of bad at it. I'm sorry I'm talking so much. But she's like this season is what's happening to Katie.

17:21Ronnie Karam: Katie's in her second season on Real Housewives of Orange County. And she's trying to play the game where she's like they're doing this. So I'm going to go to these bloggers. And I'm going to do this. And I'm going to go to war. But they're taking it like way too far and too seriously. I think to be a good housewife you have to have a little underhandedness. And not get caught all the time in the producing.

17:39Ben Mandelker: Don't you? Yeah. And I think also the alliances are bad. because the audiences can pick up on it because the alliances mean that you're going to have inauthentic interactions because you're actually serving an ulterior motive. And we can always pick up on it versus the people who are just themselves. I mean, is it a coincidence that Angela is like the breakout star of the season and she wasn't in the alliance? Think about that. She just has to like navigate what the hell is like coming at her. And she's just like living in like what her emotional truth is versus, you know, maybe whatever like newbie alliance that they had or even if alliance is too formal of a word, the point was that they were talking on the phone and saying we got to stick together, anything like that.

18:17Ben Mandelker: I think anytime you have those conversations, you're getting away from being authentic on these shows. And we as an audience are more sophisticated than these idiot reality stars realize. And we pick up on everything and we sense everything. And we can tell when something's not working. And we may not even be able to always say why it's not working, but we know. And I will say almost always it's going to be because they are trying to control the narrative, self-produce or do alliances. And that being said, But I mean, Phaedra is like the queen of self-producing. And so it was kind of fun to see Angela accuse her of that.

18:46Ben Mandelker: But it's not like any of this stuff with Marcus really reeks of authenticity itself. But when she's like, Angela's like, yeah, you are a self-producer, just like you say you know Charles, right? And Phaedra's like, well, I said I've hung out with Charles on numerous occasions. She's like, you have? She's like, yeah, I mean, 10 years ago. She's like, oh, really? You've met him before? She's like, I have met Charles before. Yes.

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21:47Ronnie Karam: So then we get into the whose room fight, which is my favorite. Like, what room did you know Charles in? Well, I know Charles in my room. Well, people in my room don't know you. Well, people in my room don't know you. Well, we're in different rooms. Oh, yeah? Well, what room are you in? Well, I'm in the library. Well, I'm in the study. Well, I hate studies. I couldn't tell. Well, really? A library is a study. Not my kind of study. Your people aren't in my study. I mean, it becomes like a fight about rooms, which I really liked. But as far as the Phaedra manipulating things, I like when they get caught when they're really doing it.

22:18Ronnie Karam: You know, like they could have caught Vanderpump on so many things and they ended up catching her on something so flimsy and stupid. And I feel like that's what she's trying to do with Phaedra. Like there's better things to catch Phaedra on.

22:28Ben Mandelker: like lion weight lion weight yeah so yeah they they get into the spat because angela's like my husband doesn't know who you are and patria's like well i don't know who you are and she's like well i'm in the rooms i'm in the rooms that you want to be in she's like well i'm in all the rooms i need to be in and they have the room fight as you mentioned the room and this goes

22:47Ronnie Karam: on by the way charles barely knows who you are angela charles doesn't know that's true too Charles doesn't know you Angela Charles is not the kind to walk into the grocery store and know the name of the guy behind the meat counter you know what I mean he's like just stopped everybody just stop fucking talking to me

23:04Ben Mandelker: yeah he's like all I know is I've been cooking like 45 corns in the cobs and some brussels sprouts and this lady keeps hanging around she says we're married I don't know if it's true I just gotta keep cooking my corn

23:15Ronnie Karam: he literally did though he literally did did you see that interview where they were like so tell us about your relationship with Angela. He's like, well, we were in Vegas, and I think someone slipped something into my drink or something, because the next day we were getting married. I don't know how the hell that happened. What do you say about Angela?

23:34Ben Mandelker: He's a real romantic story.

23:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So, yeah, they get into the fight. Charles doesn't even know you, and Phaedra's like, well, I didn't even say I know him well. I just, like, I know I've been around him. And she's like, oh, so you're breaking into rooms now?

23:49Ben Mandelker: She's like, I'm a robber. because you don't have tickets to the rooms. So she's like, you're a liar, not a robber. You're a liar. That's what you are. You're a liar. Phaedra's like, okay, but you know what? Can I, Andy, can I use your phone? He's like, all right, hold on. Let me just erase this Grindr app right here. And here you go. Okay. So Phaedra's like, okay, I'm going to call my brother. So she calls her brother and she's like, she's like, okay, Jacques, it's Phaedra. We're at the reunion. You're being recorded. You're on speakerphone. phone so don't say anything wild you know the drill we always said this day would come so you follow just follow along okay it has come up about the whole person who accused angela's husband of having an affair she says the reason i know him is because you went to school with

24:35Ronnie Karam: some woman named kim bleep do you know kim bleep i'm sorry but i'm finally on speakerphone on national television i'm gonna get a little phil collins in there against all odds with you if i was that brother i would have taken my moment why isn't he karaokeing

24:56Ben Mandelker: i don't know i would have 100 and against all odds what a great choice

25:00Ronnie Karam: yeah and take a look at me

25:06Ronnie Karam: why are we talking to the brother the phone call should be to june bug you have one call Why are we not calling Junebug?

25:13Ben Mandelker: Why are we not calling Marcus at least? Oh man, I would love the idea of doing a Phil Collins audition at the reunion. You know what I would do when it's time to hang up with me? I'd go, Phaedra, Phaedra, don't lose my number.

25:32Ben Mandelker: I'd do all the hits. I would cram them all in.

25:35Ronnie Karam: I don't even know enough Phil Collins, but I think if I ever had a chance like that on speakerphone, I would do something like something like that's problematic now but you've never really thought about it like this song Get out of my dreams and into my car That song's so fucking creepy Why do they even still play that on the radio? That is human trafficking See something, say something You know what?

25:59Ben Mandelker: I really am sad that when they previewed next week's reunion episode they didn't have Jacques on screen going One more night Give me just one more night.

26:14Ronnie Karam: One more night. I can't wait forever.

26:21Ben Mandelker: Beautiful song. So beautiful. I'll go through all the hits. I'll come up with a pun for every single one of those Phil Collins songs. If you think I don't have serious hits, dot, dot, dot, live, you are sadly mistaken. It's a great album. Oh, I know you do. I know that's your ring. That's your ring. I love that album. The Phil Collins. Phil Collins live. I mean, hello, this is the dream. Those electric drums.

26:43Ronnie Karam: Okay, so Jacques is being questioning.

26:44Ben Mandelker: Is it like Kathy McKeele singing them?

26:50Ronnie Karam: So Jacques is being grilled, and Phaedra's like, she said that your friends on Facebook was someone named Kim Fuck Fuckface. I don't know, it was a bleep, so I can only assume it was Kim Fuckface. I want to know who Kim is. And he's like, I don't know Kim Fuckface. and she's like oh really oh you know i'm on face you know we're on facebook it's kim's fuckface he's like i don't know kim fuckface and he's like i've never even heard of a kim fuckface and so andy's like he's like i'm friends with facebook friends andy go back to bed just go back to bed andy yes they're saying they're facebook friends did you not did you not catch our 20 minutes of facebook discussions jacques is like i don't know i'm facebook friends with a

27:33Ben Mandelker: million and one people there's one gay guy on here named ben mandler keeps posing about food i mean

27:38Ronnie Karam: i don't know who this guy is if i have to hear about one more fucking wordle from this molly

27:44Ben Mandelker: baz loving queen you know stop playing wordle by the way why once i hit the highs because i found that once i i finally hit my like like got on the first one finally by using my same word for like two and a half or three years i don't know i just felt like the joy was gone i just am not motivated to play Wordle anymore. I climbed my peak.

28:05Ronnie Karam: You heard it here first. The day Ben finally agreed with me. Wordle, joyless. You know,

28:15Ben Mandelker: when I think about Wordle, I think, You have no right to ask me how I feel. You have no right to treat me so kind. Separate lives, me and Wordle.

28:33Ronnie Karam: well she said your facebook friends and that she's from athens he's like well i'm facebook friends with so many fuck faces i don't even know who's in that family anymore but you went to high school together he's like i don't know kim fuck face and she's like goodbye jock click

28:50Ben Mandelker: case closed so angela it's okay it's your brother i mean he's just gonna say he's gonna back you up just just like you sent someone up to me to say i'm bleep who has the hands everyone's like what Is this Jewel? Was it Leanne Lockins? Yeah, it was Leanne Lockins.

29:08Ronnie Karam: I'm just here to deliver a message. I have hands.

29:14Ben Mandelker: And I know how to use them. Even if they are just hands.

29:18Ronnie Karam: So Phaedra delivered that message. Hi, Phaedra sent me. She just wanted me to let you know I have hands. I have hands.

29:30Ben Mandelker: So Phaedra's like, I was sending you someone to the task rabbit to help you out, build your chair. He said, he's got hands. It was a threat.

29:37Ronnie Karam: Andy's like, what does that mean? The hands? And Angela's like, oh yeah, well, we were at the Hawks game and a young lady who was with Phaedra walked up to me and said, hi, I'm cock face. I'm the one with hands.

29:53Ben Mandelker: But as it turns out, this person did have enormous hands that everyone was looking at. I was like, well, you know, she's like, no, honestly, if you want a photo, I'm down. I'm totally not. Or maybe she was just selling foam fingers.

30:05Ronnie Karam: Hi, I'm Ronnie. I'm the one with the hands. Look at these hands. They're huge. Imagine if it was just like a vendor

30:11Ben Mandelker: who's... It was just a vendor who's like, hey, I'm fuckface. I've got the hands. You said you wanted a foam finger? I got a bunch here. You want some? You want a hand?

30:22Ronnie Karam: So Angela explains, that's a threat. I guess like throwing hands or whatever. So Phaedra's like, wait, so now you're trying to say that I had someone named Cockface come to threaten you? And Drew's like, that's a threat. That's a threat, you guys. It's a threat. And she's like, okay, but then if you thought I was threatening you, then why wouldn't you mention that? And she goes, why would I? Angela, you have a folder of Facebook posts behind you. Of course you would mention it if somebody threatened you.

30:50Ben Mandelker: Right? Well, maybe she was thinking I'm not going to mention it because I was threatened. But then she mentioned it anyway. So then Phaedra's like, you know, like, why would you do that? And Phaedra's like, I don't move like that, Phaedra. Check the people in your circle. And he's like, okay, so cocksucker said I got hands to her. That's what, hands to her, hands on her, hands for her. What's going on with the hands here? And Phaedra's like, I mean, I've never heard of this before, ever. I'm like, well, I don't know if I believe Phaedra either, to be honest.

31:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't believe any of this because it all sounds too crazy to me. because if you're at a game, okay, you're like, okay, there's my friend over there. She's a real bitch. Okay, I'm going to go over there. Hi, I'm friends with Phaedra. I have hands. What the fuck is, what kind of friends do you have? You know, that's a terrible friend. That didn't threaten anybody. I would go over there and say, you ever want to eat popcorn in this stadium again? You want your fucking mouth against my friend. I know the hot dog steamer here, and I'll have you cut off in a fucking heartbeat, man. Do you understand me?

31:53Ronnie Karam: Do you ever want a big gulp full of Dr. Pepper again? then you better rethink how you talk to my friend. Hot dog steamer. That's right, David Fuckface. Come over here. He's related to Kim. You ever heard of him? Come here. You hot dog. Don't give one to this lady or her husband.

32:12Ben Mandelker: Those hands may have an invisible touch. Phil Collins.

32:23Ben Mandelker: so Andy is I mean what if the hands are just like one of her allies from the traders what if it's just Kate Chastain hi I'm Kate I've got hands and you're stupid there you just got you got hit by my hand my hand is my wit bye

32:42Ronnie Karam: so Andy's like so Drew you were at the interrogation Do you believe that Phaedra did it? And she's like, well, I mean, Marcus seemed pretty scared, Andy. He seemed very scared. He did not seem scared. That man was tap dancing around auditioning. How did the man seem scared when he showed up at a Sur La Table event? What was the event? What was it?

33:01Ben Mandelker: It was a waffle battle between Charles and Kelly at a Williams-Sonoma.

33:08Ronnie Karam: At a Williams-Sonoma, right. Please don't get it twisted. He broke through security or whatever at this Williams-Sonoma to come be on camera. And then when he didn't get his chance, turned a whole toast into it. This man was not scared. Can we stop?

33:24Ben Mandelker: He was not scared. He was only scared after Charles walked up to him and was like, get the fuck out of my event. And Angela's like, no, no, no. I got to shoot a scene with him. No, he gets to stay. So then he was rattled and they had to coax him out with a juice box or something. so Drew is like I don't know where he came from but she has hands so I don't know and Phaedra's very scary and they reach very far her hands and he's like okay well Cynthia I don't know if you can move your mouth today it seems a bit frozen but do you think Phaedra was behind this and Cynthia's like well first of all I think Cynthia just had like fresh Botox or something because she seemed pained to open up her mouth and she's like well I think if Angela set this up it will be the biggest heist of all time because I still don't know who actually did it I mean I was just trying to make sense like what is the why?

34:15Ben Mandelker: who is the when? where is the how? well you just said everything she was just trying to figure out so who knows who to the why?

34:24Ronnie Karam: which which? which which? so Portia's like we need a motive that's all we need I need motive and Cynthia's like well I thought her spot was secure so and phaedra's like it is very secure that's this is all just crazy so what did kelly think what who does kelly think did it i think that kelly looks as guilty as anybody because kelty kelty sorry kelty from it was guilty not you it's our friend kelty lady world oh my god

34:52Ben Mandelker: she was trying to draw publicity for lady world the girl gang did it the girl gang

34:58Ronnie Karam: so uh kelly i think kelly probably has more of a motive because it was her event it was her party. She controlled the guest list and she had an alliance with the other girls. Angela wasn't in that alliance. So, why isn't anybody questioning Kelly? I think Kelly gets away with a lot more than she should. That's all I'm saying. I think Kelly is a little shadier than people are giving her credit for.

35:22Ben Mandelker: She probably is. I think there are three suspects here. I think the most incriminating thing about Phaedra is that she knew exactly who this person was and knew exactly how to send Angela to him. But then again, production probably just told her. Then you have Kelly. It was Kelly's event. Kelly's guest list. How did he get in? So Kelly looks really bad. And then there's also, Kelly says she thought it was Brit. And well, Brit isn't there to defend herself, which actually is an easy target, an easy fall girl for Kelly. But Brit is also the most vindictive of this entire bunch. So maybe it was Brit.

35:57Ben Mandelker: Because I don't know what the motive would be for Kelly to go after Angela. Kelly and Angela don't really have much beef. They don't even seem to interact very much. Brit and Angela have more of a beef though. And I don't know if Shamia, Shamia's got other fish to fry. I mean, boring, boring fish that sometimes sing.

36:13Ronnie Karam: Boring, boring, boring bass fish, like bass singing, singing bass fish on walls and cabins and dad cabins across America. But I think people, this is, this is off. This is all obvious obfuscation. Sorry. The real thing we should be wondering, listen, did you see the waiter on the TikTok, the waiter at Marcus's restaurant. First of all, I don't suggest you watch it. It's probably the longest TikTok I've ever watched. It was not, he needs brevity. Waiter, order this waiter some brevity, okay? Not that I'm really one to talk. Too many courses in this bill. Because I'm going to make this longer than the TikTok.

36:45Ronnie Karam: But he got on there and he's like, let me tell you the real tea on what went down. I was like, could you speak faster? Because I'm exhausted already. So basically he said, he was the waiter. what's his buns did come in there with some beautiful woman, have lunch. Marcus made a big deal and started making calls. Okay, that was the long and the short of it. So Marcus did it. And also, this is getting away from the fact that Charles did show up at a restaurant with some beautiful woman. So if that's the fight, then have that be the fight. And I think Charles is allowed probably to show up at restaurants with beautiful women.

37:19Ronnie Karam: Maybe it was his daughter. Maybe it was his sister. Maybe it was his agents. Maybe it was Kim Fuckface. I mean, who the fuck knows? But Angela's made this now, so they're all fighting. And it's this big mystery. So people aren't worried about her husband. So is the person who's guilty really Angela? I mean, let's think about this. Who has the most pain here?

37:37Ben Mandelker: Maybe Charles sent Marcus. Maybe Charles is like, I'm going to send Marcus. It'll drive a wedge and I can finally leave this lady. It's driving me nuts. Who claims that she's my wife?

37:48Ronnie Karam: Maybe. Yeah. So Kelly's like, well, I don't know. Maybe it was Cynthia. Cynthia all along.

37:53Ben Mandelker: Oh, that would be good if it was Cynthia. She's like Kaiser Jose. She like leaves the reunion with a limp and then all of a sudden, like 10 feet away, she starts walking again. But then she starts limping again because she's like, actually, that really hurt.

38:04Ronnie Karam: I forgot. And Angela's like, well, you think it's Brit, but Brit said it was you because she said to check the person that wrote the guest list. And Kelly was like, well, it's definitely not me. And so Phaedra says, well, obviously there was a master list. Which made me think it was Phaedra again because who says that there was a master list? Like maybe we were all going off different lists, but there was one master list.

38:29Ben Mandelker: One list to rule them all. So Angela's like, so you admit somebody put them there though. That's what you're saying. Somebody put them there. She's like, stop putting words in my mouth. She's like, but you told me, you're the one who told me all the information about him. She goes, what information did I give to you aside from his name, his email, his social media, his address, and his place of work?

38:48Ronnie Karam: I don't even know this person. But I actually loved it because she goes, you gave me his name. and she goes, he introduced himself, Angela. He literally came to the table and said, I'm Marcus from Chili's, okay? She's like, well, then you knew where he worked and his name. She's like, he offered me an awesome blossom, Angela.

39:07Ben Mandelker: And he's like, all right, I want to move on because I'm bored with this and I got a threatening message from someone who said they have hands and it was not on my grinder. Okay, so I don't think we're going to solve this today.

39:18Ronnie Karam: Someone with a huge penis named Junebug. so hey at least i got something out of this so where do you stand with the ladies in the group

39:28Ben Mandelker: angela and she's like well i feel like there's still more issues that need to be ironed out but i feel like we can move forward as a group it's like all right great because he's like can i say something when you made that comment of you know me wishing bad on your marriage i think you said it on the after show and then we see angela you know talking on the after show saying like at the bail EQ that Kelly gave her a whole dissertation about how she and Charles are about to get a divorce and he has a side baby. And Angela said, you're going to end up like me and I pray for you. I'm like, bitch. Or I guess Kelly said that to Angela.

40:04Ben Mandelker: And Drew was like, who says that? So now back to the president and Kelly's like, I never said that. And I just want you to know, I never compared my marriage or your marriage to my marriage. I never, ever, ever did that. And there's honestly not even any footage that could even refute my point, which is a very solid point.

40:23Ronnie Karam: Cut to this moment that resonated with Angela. I just want to tell you, Angela, I have been you. I've been in your position and I pray that you don't get to the position that I am in. Like literally comparing herself.

40:39Ben Mandelker: Literally says everything she denied she ever said. And just like you gave a whole speech from everyone at the Bailey Q. And Kelly's like, well, I mean, so let me say this. If I said that, you know, because I don't recall saying it. She's like, you said it. I'm surprised no one backed her up. They were all there. She goes, well, it was in no way, shape, or form to disrespect your marriage. So if I said it, I apologize. It was only meant to show you that you have a very flimsy relationship with your husband, but not in a disrespectful way. That's all.

41:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's kind of Kelly's MO. She says things and she's like, what? No, I didn't. I never said that. And if I said it, I didn't mean it like that. I was just trying to have fun. Like when I said, Portia, why'd you steal that man's husband? I was like, oh, isn't this fun? It was fun. I was trying to be your friend. I was trying to be your friend, Portia.

41:33Ben Mandelker: Angela's like, no, you definitely said it. She said, well, I don't know. I could have been grilling hot dogs. Maybe I was distracted.

41:38Ronnie Karam: And she said, all right.

41:39Ben Mandelker: Well, crab face.

41:41Ronnie Karam: I could have been grilling hot dogs on Cynthia's enormous sectional that nobody could escape that entire Bailey Q.

41:47Ben Mandelker: I can't stand those Cynthia parties. You know it's humid in there. You can just tell it's humid in her house. And people are like, why is it so humid in here? She goes, well, you know, the air conditioner's on Fritz. I bet she always has her air conditioner on Fritz. I'm telling you this right now.

41:58Ronnie Karam: Really? I love that house. That's like my favorite housewife's house, the lake house.

42:02Ben Mandelker: It's a nice house, but it's always too cramped for the parties. She always invites too many people for that house. They all have to cram onto that sectional, and then there's always too many people in the kitchen. You can just tell. It's just one of those houses.

42:12Ronnie Karam: Those are also when those open concept layouts don't really pay off when you're having a party. Because then it's like the kitchen staff standing around staring at everybody fighting. And it's just weird.

42:21Ben Mandelker: Exactly. It's a beautiful house. I'm just saying that every time she has a party, there's so many people there. And you just know it's a little bit more humid than you want. You never quite have the seating that you want. You have to eat food off of like a paper plate that's balanced on your knees and things are falling. And there's probably some dog licking your calves. That's my kind of party.

42:39Ronnie Karam: Basically, so then Andy is like, okay, well flat from Bush says Angela. You are a gorgeous woman. Well, goddamn. You're old Why are you saying you're 43 you fucking liar? God Angela's old older than time Angela you are older than the word a minute You are so old Angela oh my god, Methuselah. Hey someone come get Methuselah a cane

43:04Ben Mandelker: uh no i'm not old here hold on let me get my birth certificate i just i made a copy of it

43:10Ronnie Karam: with some carbon paper hold on one second so she uh she pulls the birth certificate of me those feet those are some big feet those baby feet took up the entire birth certificate those are the biggest baby did you just get this birth certificate are those your adult feet those are huge.

43:28Ben Mandelker: Is that, I feel like I don't have feet on my birth certificate. I have, I don't, I don't seem to remember there being feet on mine. I do complete with little webbed toes,

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45:35Ben Mandelker: all right well guess what and who wants to know angela's middle name and kelly goes renee he's like no it's theon and everyone's like oh okay i think we're all expecting something crazy like, I don't know, Boutros Boutros Gali or something. He's like, Dion. I'm like, okay, cool. So he's like, so then he reveals she was born in 1981 and he's like, Phaedra, you called Angela the oldest looking young woman you've ever seen. Would you care to comment?

46:11Ronnie Karam: Have you seen Jessica Beal? And Phaedra's like, well, I'd like to clarify that. That was after the whole allegations thing that I said that. And she's like, Oh, really? Well, you came in the game looking old, too. So if I look 53, you look 63. And Phaedra's like, okay, well, I guess I deserve that. Okay, add it up, do the math, whatever.

46:35Ben Mandelker: So she's like, whatever it is, just add 10, honey. So Angel's like, okay, Angela, Shamia really shaded your nose. She called it retro. She said it was a nose from the 90s. And Shamia's like, yeah, I definitely was being shady. and we see a flashback to her calling it like a Latoya nose and Andy's like what year was it from by the way and just like it's from 2017 because Charles got what is this question when was your nose job do we have a

47:03Ronnie Karam: it would be a reunion if Andy wasn't asking them about when parts of their bodies were inserted when did you get those boobs a lot of your boobs when did you get those

47:15Ben Mandelker: What iOS is your nose running right now? Did you get the new model? No, it's 2017. You're due for an upgrade.

47:23Ronnie Karam: How many cameras does your BBL have? But I love that marking it like, oh, it's from 2017. I remember because Charles got it. So must have been in the Charles ears. And so he's like, okay, well, Trini from dad says, Angela, have you ever checked with your doctor lately that your hotness is not only because of your physical appearance, but you are in perimenopause. How can we call it perimenopause instead of premenopause? When did that happen? Do you know the answer to that? Because all my friends are in perimenopause and I'm like, well, who's in pre? Is that a different thing? Is that like a different stage?

48:00Ben Mandelker: I wonder how Perry Gilpin feels about it. So Angela is like...

48:04Ronnie Karam: It's like the menopause where you start solving things. You're like, hey, wait a minute. Who drank milk out of the carton? Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom. Ding, ding, ding, ding.

48:14Ben Mandelker: are there any more famous Perry's after Perry Mason and Perry Gilpin isn't there a singer isn't there an old standard singer Perry Como that's it Perry Como and that's it that's all the Perry's Commodore Perry

48:33Ronnie Karam: Perry Ellis

48:40Ronnie Karam: so she's like yes I'm perimenopausal and Phaedra's like oh

48:49Ben Mandelker: think twice just another day for you and me and perimenopause dice

48:59sorry

49:00Ben Mandelker: I had to get it out

49:04Ronnie Karam: they're all talking about their perimenopause and Angela's like oh well it can start at 36 you know and now I'm starting a fan line and it's called Fangy.

49:15Ben Mandelker: Everyone's like, everyone applauds.

49:18Ronnie Karam: Fangy, I see what you did there.

49:20Ben Mandelker: That was good.

49:20Ronnie Karam: Thank God. You found a way to enter the small fan market. Thank God. It's a really tough one to get into.

49:28Ben Mandelker: She's like, I was actually quite happy to meet someone with hands because that's exactly where my fan fits. So, yeah. She's going to be a real pioneer. I look forward to her on Shark Tank. Fans are a$2 billion dollar industry.

49:46Ronnie Karam: So now there's talking about the rental properties and she's like, what rental properties I had to walk away. So I guess they sold them at a loss because I don't know what walk away when you own all these properties, you can't just walk away. Did you give them to the bank? Did you sell them at a loss? Like what was, I need answers. I'm in this for the HGTV of it all. I really loved Angela for having all those houses she couldn't afford and being so honest about it. I really wanted to see that work.

50:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I really like that she didn't try to fake it with us and try to say, well, we just signed a deal. Because that's what Drew would have done. She would have been like, well, I'm happy to announce that Ralph and I have decided to take the houses off the market because we like them so much, we've decided to keep them. That's what she would say. And then the next day it'd be like, foreclosed. But Angela's like, yeah, no, these houses, they suck and they suck the life out of me. And so funny because she opened the season with like a whole thing was like, I'm in real estate and I know what I'm doing and I got my money by doing real estate and I'm on top of it.

50:46Ben Mandelker: And she had the season being like, I've got four houses I can't sell and they're in foreclosure. I'm done with it.

50:51Ronnie Karam: Well, it was a season where not a ton happened. But for Angela, it was like a speed season because multiple seasons were crammed in here. I mean, she's got the husband who visibly hates her. I mean, it usually takes a few years for that to gestate, you know. But that's here already. She had the real estate career that's already down the tubes. She's already in the like, you hired people to come after me. And she's already saying things like, well, we'll continue this next season. We have things to discuss still in my 10th season. I'm like, how many seasons have you been on here? You lived a lot of life for a one season housewife.

51:25Ben Mandelker: She's like the Kimberly Akimbo of housewives. So Angela is like, on top of that, Angela.

51:33Ronnie Karam: For those of you who don't know, that musical is about a little girl who ages very rapidly.

51:41Ronnie Karam: Maybe I should say the Jack. Jack. That's funny because it's actually true. Because that's her thing. Everybody's like, how in the world are you 43? She's bringing your birth certificate. I still don't.

51:57Ronnie Karam: Well, it's not even like a criticism. I'm way older than that. I just don't. It seems like you're clearly lying about your age. like Vanderpump. I'm sorry I'm bringing Vanderpump up again, but she's another one where it's like what? Like it's clearly not true where she's like, I'm the same age as Brandy Glanville. You're like, wait a minute. I'm the same age as Portia, Kyle's daughter. Like, mmm.

52:18Ben Mandelker: No. So, um, uh, but Angela does reveal that she lost her mom, which I did not know about, which is super sad. And, uh, she said that she came on.

52:30Ronnie Karam: And she had so much promise too. She was so funny. shady yeah she was really and i know that she had like a complicated relationship with her mother

52:38Ben Mandelker: too so i'm i'm hoping that like she was able to find some sort of closure because she said that she wanted to come onto the platform that's basically the show with her mom and she wanted her mom to be able to share her story because her mom had a bipolar disorder and so um you know she was just she misses her mom and it's really sad and everyone really supports her so and he's like All right. Well, Big Hands from Westchester, New York said, Angela, do you feel like Drew had your back the way you had hers? There's only one right answer. And the answer is no, because at the Bailey Q, she left you hanging while you were battling all the girls and was singing old spirituals in her confessional.

53:15Ben Mandelker: And he cuts at Drew and be like, hmm. So Angela's like, no, I did not feel badly, badly singing spiritual.

53:23Ronnie Karam: When they showed that clip, I was like, oh, God, surely they'll play that again. when they show Drew dissing Shamia singing, but they didn't, which I think production likes Drew.

53:37Ben Mandelker: Maybe, maybe. Because they couldn't use that. I don't have a hot take on that. I'm like, does production like Drew or does production not like Drew? She gives them a lot of stuff to work with, so I think they might like her for that. Well, Angela's not into it.

53:53Ronnie Karam: She's not into Drew. She's like, Drew didn't have my back. And Drew's like, yes, I did. i even tried to get marcus to do whatever for you and i was there i was there with you and she's like until the end and she's like true but you guys are accusing me of leaving you know during that marcus confrontation but i was trying to find marcus to come back and have the confrontation

54:13Ben Mandelker: that's why i laughed no the point i think that angela's saying that and we have to go back and look at the tape but she's it's just saying that once they brought marcus to the group that drew disappeared and like when marcus was saying it was phaedra that like angel was the one who had to stand there and be like see see everyone he said it was phaedra and like drew was nowhere to be found to be like yeah i was there this is what he said and he seemed totally he seemed scared and seemed like very true everything he said it all backs it all like like drew left angela hanging on this whole thing completely even in the last segment even earlier in this segment when angela was saying all this stuff drew could have been like we were both there we looked at the text messages we heard like you something drew was silent she let angela just die on this hill

55:01Ronnie Karam: yeah so um cynthia's like yes angela you know you wrote for drew and she didn't ride for you there was a who's to the where that's my question what is the whiz whiz is the what who's the who Do you understand me? Not really.

55:18Ben Mandelker: She was like, I do not. She was like, well, we're building a genuine friendship. And it felt like I didn't have your back, which by the way, you're building. Oh, so now you're not even, you don't even have the genuine friendship. You're just building it now. Because when she came onto the season, it was that you guys did have a genuine friendship. And Angela was like right out of the gate defending Drew with people she didn't even know out of loyalty to Drew. And now Drew is suddenly saying that they're building a genuine friendship. And she goes, and if you felt like I didn't have your back, I apologize.

55:47Ben Mandelker: You know, I couldn't show up for you in the capacity in which I would love to because, well, I'll be honest, I left something downstairs in the basement and Ralph would not open up that door. And I just was delayed. I was literally I couldn't show up literally because I didn't have my car keys to show up.

56:01Ronnie Karam: So then to me, it's like, well, can I just say that I don't want you to think that this is me defending Porsche again? but uh why is it okay for you to excuse away not supporting angela because of what you're going through but when it came down to me and portia you guys picked it apart and talked about how lopsided shimmya shimmya this is nothing i like nothing to do with that i did it made me crazy because it's not like that it's not the same thing and i don't want to talk about your relationship with portia anymore it's so boring it's why are you trying to turn it back to that we're finally

56:33Ben Mandelker: having fun i mean that's fair i don't really care too much about shimmy and portia terribly and she is she did just wedge something in but i do love when people um force drew to confront her own hypocrisy and basically she's saying you know when portia didn't have the energy like like you made it seem like i was in like like i was in this uh lopsided friendship because i was always defending portion she didn't defend me and you like you were trying to like stir something up like look how bad it is but when you're in a lopsided friendship with angela you're just like well you know i'm going through a lot so that's how it was and i just liked i liked shamiya just using this to put drew on defense because drew's full of so much shit and i just i don't like it when she just says her bullshit and um just thinks she can get away with it so i was like i'm happy for shamiya to step in right now even if it is extremely self-serving and she's trying to pivot

57:26Ronnie Karam: away into her into her conversation yeah so drew's like oh god please no one was trying to pick it apart she's like yes yes yes it did and then the questions came and she's like oh god now you're gonna open a can of worms to me you don't want to open this can of worms and she's like oh really well then i'll own my part she's well what part are you gonna own and then she's like you be quiet there was definitely questions and drew's like girl don't lie in my face i'm not gonna let you lie in my face right after this commercial break i'm gonna i'm gonna expose all the lies that you've told me and she means like oh really then expose the lies and she goes i'm going to right after this phaedra doritos commercial so we do that and then we come back and she's like so there okay let's move on i was like where were the lies what what was this you had a full commercial break i

58:12Ben Mandelker: got no lies no no lies i felt very resolved by that whole segment and he's like all right let's talk about something else phaedra why did you choose to come to this reunion and skip out on married to medicine and peter's like well i had no they didn't want me there and you have to remember i was coming off the high of the traders a much more popular show and uh i'm only going to go to reunions of highly rated bravo shows at the moment although actually marriage medicine is very highly rated but i think she was like i want this one i think i think is it really meeting this one now yeah yeah i think it's higher rated than this people really love dr simone giving group therapy on a Caribbean beach.

58:53Ronnie Karam: We are sisters. We are sisters. This is a sisterhood.

59:00Ben Mandelker: I mean, gotta love it. Same storyline every single season. But that's what makes me laugh.

59:07Ronnie Karam: It's funny. This season was especially good with Quad's new man going after Dr. Gregory on the beach. Yuck.

59:16Ben Mandelker: I like that. Dr. Gregory is trying to do a push-up competition with an actual ex-NFL player. And Dr.

59:21Ronnie Karam: Gregory's song that he wrote. I'm a man. I'm a man.

59:27Ben Mandelker: Which, let's not forget Scott's original song that he started the season with. It was a lot of... It actually was a pretty funny season. The point is, Phaedra's like, I did not... They didn't want me. I didn't like them. They tried to be messy with me. And if I'm going to be messy, I better be doing it on a Real Housewives franchise. So that's why I am here.

59:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then we move into a silly segment about Kelly's nicknames from Porsche. strawberry shortcake and a garden gnome and Tinkerbell and all that good stuff. And Kelly's like, well, I'm a fabulous garden gnome. The most fashionable garden gnome. So, I guess it worked out for me.

1:00:07Ben Mandelker: And he's like, alright, well, Phaedra, you took kind of a big sister role after rooming with Brit and Grenada. Why did you feel like she needed that? Phaedra's like, well, I saw that she was self-sabotaging on the trip, and so I saw that she was kind of, you know, making enemies and the producer said someone's got to talk to her. So could you do it? I was like, okay, sure. So Andy, we're in a restaurant and you look at that poster of a person choking and somebody coming behind to help.

1:00:33Ronnie Karam: There isn't a face on that choking person. You save whoever it is. She was choking and I helped her. I squeezed until a tiny piece of meatball flew out from mouth, Andy. You're welcome, Britton. Wherever you are, you're welcome.

1:00:49Ben Mandelker: they are literally acting like Phaedra was the therapist in Good Will Hunting it's like all it was was a conversation in a car where she's like if you want respect you gotta show respect if you want people to like invite you to places you gotta invite them first to your place you remember you're the newbie here and these people have all been around for a long time so don't act so entitled like it was such a just like a quick pretty basic you know you know piece of advice and they're like

1:01:13Ronnie Karam: it was basically it was basically like stand and deliver but Edward James almost just stood up and he was like, here's what you need, kids. Charcuterie. Charcuterie. He was like that Michelle Pfeiffer movie. Oscar.

1:01:30Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, so Portia's like, Yeah, because like Nini off camera gave me that advice, but like that was the first time I saw that advice on camera, you know, to help somebody not crash out. You know, who's clearly crashing out? Like, did that stop Britt from crashing out? Because... Poor Portia. Pretty sure.

1:01:48Ronnie Karam: How many times has Porsche been fired for literally beating people up on this show? I think that advice didn't really work for either one of you.

1:01:55Ben Mandelker: I'm not sure Atlanta is the show where we've seen people hold back from crashing out. It's just not really part of the show's DNA. So Kelly.

1:02:06Ronnie Karam: So they're basically talking about trying to help Brit. And then Shamia's like, well, but she had everything to say ill about you. And I defended you. And here you are trying to help her and you're coming for me. And she said, as soon as Phaedra comes at you sideways, I'm going to give it to her ass because I'm always on the phone with her and in the public seat. And I said, well, Phaedra and I are in a good place. And whatever happened between me and Phaedra happened years ago. So I don't need you to. So I saved you from Brit. And meanwhile, you're saving Brit from everybody else. So I just don't get it.

1:02:37Ben Mandelker: At which point all of the viewing audience was like, what happened with Phaedra and Shamia? Do they have something happened? And so Phaedra's like, well, at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. And you will have experiences with everybody in this group. But what I've seen is a lot of people making strong conclusions about people based on one experience. You know, so you make up a rumor about a sex dungeon and accuse other people of, I don't know, drugging other people and having sex. Just one experience. Don't make these big accusations. And Angela's like, is that directed towards me?

1:03:09Ben Mandelker: And she's like, well, it could be. Yeah, that too. It could be that too. Vajra's like, you know, what I'm saying is we did have a bad experience, but even after all that, when I reached out to you and when I heard your mama was dying, I hope you know that was real when I reached out to you. And she's like, well, I hope it was. And she's like, well, no, it was. We'll be petty. We'll be shady. And that's fine. But life is too short to lose a friendship over absolutely nothing because you're here today, gone tomorrow, especially if you mess with the cock face with the hands, if you

1:03:40Ronnie Karam: know what I'm saying. Yeah, you're here today. You're gone tomorrow. And when you are gone, I hope your family calls Phaedra and Phaedra funeral parlor to bury you for good. No one will send you off as gloriously as me. Thank you. Precisely. On the ground, I'd just like to say, charcuterie, go forth. Go forth.

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