#2945 RHOC S19E03: Setting the Recording Straight

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2:48Ben Mandelker: talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today in his beautiful rose-colored glasses, Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How are you? Hello. How are you? How is the healing going? How's the bruising? Pretty good. I mean, it's still pretty bruised up. Hopefully, I think next week, no matter what, I'm going to stop wearing these glasses. But for now, I look like I'm wearing bruise eye makeup you're um you're you're in you're in character for a role yeah um so today we are talking about the one and only orange county um starring katie janela who i think is supposed to be maybe a villain but for some reason well not not for too hard of a reason we're all rooting for her i'm rooting for i should say i won't speak for you but i'm like I'm totally team Katie on this show.

3:39I'm not really rooting for her. I'm just rooting against the people who are trying to persecute her. I think her crimes are no worse than anyone else's on this show. And I stand by it.

3:50Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah. So why don't we get right into it, shall we? Oh, we should do a reminder. Our next Amazon Live is going to be this Monday. We have an Amazon Live this Monday, and it'll be the following Monday. And then when we're going to ultimately settle into a schedule of one Monday, will be Crappens On Demand, the next one, not Crappens On Demand, Crappens Crappy Hour, and then the other Monday will be Amazon Live, so we'll alternate between them, but we're sort of working with a funky little schedule here for the time being, but please come join us because we had way too much fun playing around on that thing.

4:21Ben Mandelker: So that was great. That's going to be at 4 o 'clock on Monday, and then after that, we're going to actually have a Crappy Hour at 5.30. So I should say those are both West Coast timings. Obviously adjust for whichever time zone you are in. Join us for both. And we'll have a great afternoon. We're going to have fun. And we're going to be so different by Monday because this weekend I'm going to see Beyonce and we're going to see together the Backstreet Boys in Las Vegas. It's a Las Vegas superfia. I forgot you're going to Cowboy Carter tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow I'm going to do my cowboy stuff already.

5:01I've been trying to grow my mustache or what. I don't even know what I'm going to do. I don't know. I'm so excited. It's going to be the gayest weekend of all time. Beyonce followed by the Backstreet Boys. I mean, that's some gay shit. I want to fly there on a penis.

5:16Ben Mandelker: You're going to be exhausted. Two concerts in a row. I don't know how you're going to... It's very unlike me. I can't imagine. It's very unlike me. Public spaces and all. But I'm going. I can't wait. Okay, so for now, we have Real Housewives of Orange County. We got our taglines. I don't tell you how they are, right? So I didn't put any... Well, I guess we could just read it. Names. I was going to play a game and say, like, try to guess who they are, but it's not like they're... It's not like they're... Well, let's do it. It's fun. But I like doing it in their voices, so... What do you want to start with?

5:51Do you want to start or do you want me to start? I'll start. Sure. No, you start. Okay.

5:55Ben Mandelker: You start. No, you start. I don't care. Okay. I don't know who's who. I'll start. Okay. But I don't know who this one... I think I know. This one's Jen first. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Your game's great, by the way. Life can be... We're both like, who was this? That's Jen. Announcing who it is before we guess. I'm not familiar with this game at all. Yeah. Life can be hard, but like, so are my abs. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. For once, the only dogs in my life are golden retrievers. Heather saying, I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you... You see, that's why this game is tricky. You already lost a point.

6:31Okay, Ben lost a point.

6:32Ben Mandelker: I lost a point. Well, because Heather has been doing the espresso martini thing, but so has been Emily's also been. They both have decided to get really into espresso martinis this season, right? But I guess Emily Moore. Okay, sorry, let me redo. I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you an espresso martini. Yes, you got that one correct. And also, in this game, for this actual clue, We are deciding this is why this person needs to finally get kicked off the show. When your entire line is about liking an espresso martini, I'm done with you, Emily. Get Emily off the show. Okay. Next is, I love life in the hills, so I always take the high road.

7:18Ben Mandelker: I own the high road. I just want to say, well, that's obviously Heather Dubrow. I just also want to say, before we go on to the next one, Life can be hard, but so are my abs. Okay. I think that's an okay one from Jen. I don't love it. I think she could do better. For once, the only dogs in my life are Golden Retrievers. I think that's a decent one from Shannon. I may not be your cup of tea, but I'll bring you an espresso martini. That's a fail on Emily's front. And I think I love Life in the Hills, so I always take the high road. I actually like that one. Not that it's true, but I think that's good wordplay.

7:52Ben Mandelker: Like, I love life in the hills. I always take the high road. That's clever. I give clever points to that one. Okay. I may work in real estate, but that doesn't mean I'm buying what you're selling. I think that's a great line. What you're selling? Because I don't know. Has Gina sold any houses yet? Do we know? I think there's some way to find out. My guess is no. I'm going to say no. But I think this is a great line because it's good wordplay. And I also believe that Gina is not buying anything. She's like, I can't afford that. Gina literally says this every time in a Marshalls. I'm not buying what you're selling.

8:31They're like, we know. You've been denied the credit card again. Yeah. So I'm not buying what you sell. Okay. Well, please leave. Get out of the line then. Can I just get these jelly beans? No, you didn't get credit here. I'll pay cash. No, you're not going to pay cash either. Your kid is running out. There's six children running out with jelly beans. Get them. I feel mad.

8:50Ben Mandelker: So then we have Katie's, which is, I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but my truth. But I don't know if you know about this. The original one was, I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but my truth, and then apologize for my truth because I lied a little bit about my truth. And I also lied about the lie. And the apology was actually, it's a second apology because I didn't actually fully tell the truth the second time. I wish that Katie's tagline was, how dare you? I will come for you. And that was Shannon's yelling at people backstage. I want Katie's tagline to be, she left her grilled cheese.

9:35Yeah, it's like back in the day when they were just recorded actual snippets from the show. Yeah, I would like that audio. Yeah, that would have been good. She left her grilled cheese. So then is I'm taking a hard look in the mirror and my reflection is still hot, bitch.

9:55Ben Mandelker: Hottest house life in Harris County, bitch. Old. The bird. I loved that they showed that bird who called Tamara old. That shit was funny. It was a good callback. I know. So Katie and Gina start at the nail tech. Gina is in a sad sweatsuit. and um also known as a standard gina outfit

10:20they're actually like two fanny packs sewn together over her chest i don't know yeah she

10:26Ben Mandelker: looks there i think they're at they're going to get some sort of scalp treatment whatever it is i actually this is the first thing in a long time where i'm like i kind of would like to do that not that i have like a big head of hair but i think i just want a big old head massage and this place looks like a great place to do it. Well, they had the head massage thing, you know, the little thing that looks like the claw machine. I love that. I love that. It also looks like Tamara's hand.

10:57So they're there for a deep clean of the scalp. And Gina's like, well, I'll tell you what they're going to find in me. So romantic. You know, they're going to find like a lot of old shampoo. So look at this. We just made up and we're already going for it. already going for the like deep sea scale

11:15Ben Mandelker: Gina stop trying to rebrand your dandruff as dry shampoo we know it's not dry shampoo it's dandruff okay we get it so Katie's like I'll try anything these girls want to get them back on my side even a super expensive spa day and she needs it yeah and Gina's like you know I've accepted Katie's apology but like trust has to be built up over her time and she has to buy me a lot of things. That's really all it is. She just is. She just needs some free shit and then she'll be on your side again. Yeah, that's how she is. That's how she became friends with Heather. So Katie is saying that she's on an apology tour and she's just really glad that you didn't bring Emily to sneak up on me this time.

12:01She's like, oh, yeah, sorry about that. So then we cut to Emily, who is talking to her dog, who's named after a fast food sandwich place, Togo. And she's like, Togo, go upstairs. Mama's got a Togo in her purse. I'm a classic.

12:19Ben Mandelker: The dog may be named after a country in Western Africa. You never know. Emily is a very worldly person, but probably. Emily named that after a damn sandwich shop, and we all know it. or her favorite form of eating dinner. To go, please. So Tamara comes over. She has been begging producers for, as far as Emily's concerned now, for six years. Tamara comes over. She's like, hey, Patch, is that a dog or a coyote back there? It's a dog I'm fasting. She's a cattle dog. She hides. I'm like, she doesn't hide. She just has good taste. She's with the audience. Yeah, otherwise known as an audience dog. Okay.

13:03Ben Mandelker: Yeah. This is a Nielsen dog. Would you please read it? So Tamara's like, I'm just so tired, tired from life. Life is just so hard. Yesterday pushed me over the edge, over the edge. Yeah. Oh, God. Life is so hard when you have to go to a free hot pot meal and get talked to by an angry blonde lady. so Emily's like yeah what did you think when Gretchen came in what do you think threw me over the edge you stupid bitch Emily pay attention that's what I'm talking about I mean I wanted to say you look like an episode of Toddlers and Diarras I'm like you realize you all look like that right you realize you all go to the same hairdresser you all have the same hair okay Gretchen really does though I mean Tamara's not wrong on that and Emily's like she's just really upset about your podcast so we see a clip of Tamra showing the ladies a clip of, or playing a clip of her podcast where she was saying, Yeah, yeah, of course, they'd like to say that sad and stuff, but Michelle lost everything.

14:04Then Gretchen got a chunk of money and Michelle went through GoFundMe to pay for services. How fair is that? How fair is that? I don't think that's true. Which, by the way, if that's true, that is not, that is in fact not fair. That fucking all that Slade would get to, you know, get away with this. if that's true.

14:25Ben Mandelker: I don't know if I love the sentence by Tamara. Well, yes, Slade lost a son, but Michelle lost everything. We're not going to act like a son as a pillow or like a coupon that was discarded. That's a major fucking deal. But I don't know enough about this situation. And I also, by the way, don't care about this situation. Michelle lost his son too, and she also lost everything because he's not paid for anything for the son, was the allegation. I don't know. I don't care. I don't think Tamra should butted into it. And I don't think that Tamra is like, I don't think that Tamra can be like, oh my God, here comes Gretchen again, complaining about the same things for this past decade when Tamra's the one inserting herself into something that she really should not be inserting herself into because it's like, it deals with like real, real shit and not like, you know, petty, you know, reality star shit.

15:17Ben Mandelker: yeah um yeah agreed you know it's like a kid dying let's just like stay away from that yeah and it's tamra yeah like even if the even if what she's saying is completely true and slade is gross and all of that uh the messenger is tamra so you know yeah look in your own backyard madame let them fight that battle okay you don't have to bring that into your two tees in the pod so we cut back to the other ladies and gene is like yeah that wasn't ready tamra but like gretchen where he commented on Tamar's daughter's Facebook and that was like really, really hard on Tamar. It was like really hurtful.

15:56Ben Mandelker: And she went to her daughter's Facebook. She's a miner. She went to a miner's Facebook page. And he's like, I didn't know she worked in the mines. I thought mining was over and dead. Yeah, she did. She got black lung now. She did that. She commented on... She was just down there trying to find some rare metals and Gretchen's writing comments on her Facebook page. What did she comment? Stop coughing. We're trying to read. Did she say something like, why are you bringing a bird down there anyway? It's not a good place for canaries. I mean, look, there's like moments, you know, because Tamara's like, oh, can you imagine Katie doing that to Annabelle?

16:34Katie was commenting on Annabelle stuff. Okay. She wasn't a five-year-old minor. She was a 16-year-old. she wasn't that much of a minor how would you feel like if she was texting your newborn baby oh my god

16:54Ben Mandelker: I mean I think whether she was a minor or not a minor I actually don't think Gretchen should have written that comment either I think it was just like Gretchen don't just don't be messy on the kids Facebook page like just don't do that like you have so many better better avenues for doing this this is gonna be a losing battle no matter what I think you know both of them just Gretchen and Tamra are really out of control but I'm on team Gretchen on this one I have to say. Yeah, me too. So then Emily's like, well, you know, there's moments it can be fun and lighthearted and she goes, yeah, but then I get team talks by Tim Wittgen.

17:29Ben Mandelker: That's Emily's way of saying like well, to be fair, I have actually commented on several of mine's Facebook page, I just want to say but I do it in a funny way. Gretchen didn't do it in a funny way. I just want to say that in case anyone wants to drag out any comments that I've written. Yeah, true. So then we go back to the salon or whatever, or the spa. And Jen's like, oh, no, no. Now we go to a restaurant. So Jen's going to go to a restaurant with Heather and, I guess, Shannon. And Heather is dressed. It looks like they're in a pub. And Heather comes dressed in, like, a glitter blazer. Like, are you going to the Oscars, ma 'am?

18:01Can you just have a casual lunch?

18:04Ben Mandelker: I am wearing what the working people wear. when they are off of their work and are no longer working and now are going to sit back and throw something back. And they wear glitter to celebrate the end of a workday. Hard work it is. Feet are sore. Anyway, hello, barkeep. What does an espresso martini look like in these parts? Do you have gold leaf? Will there be diamonds on the side? A bump of caviar? I'm like, wow, it's just Kahlua in a glass. And the waiter's like, don't worry. There's no dairy in this one. It's purely dark. It's like, oh, good, good, good. I will try the espresso martini in these parts.

18:43Ben Mandelker: I am such a Miranda, am I not? Oh, God, I love being with my girlfriends. So Shannon walks in. She says, well, everyone, I'm in leggings because I'm single. You wouldn't know it, though, because I'm about to bring in a parade of Love Hotel alumni. Oh. And then we find out that Katie has sent Shannon an apology text. she's very she's hurting right now and Gina's like yeah it's violating I mean it's bad but she'll get over it you know it's Shannon well everyone here assembled at ye olde Bennegan's well she texted me Katie that is and it set me off it set me straight off cause I told her not to say sorry but I said just yesterday I said don't say sorry but don't say sorry but unless of course you have sat in some gum and you say Sorry, but I didn't mean to stick some gum in you.

19:35Ben Mandelker: Anyway, but she said, she said, no one heard the recording. And I don't even give a fuck. Can I see that in this pub? Yes, you may. Working people are here. I don't give a fuck because I know someone heard it. Well, I called Alexis. I called Alexis. I called Alexis. I called Alexis. Hold on. Hold on. Anger face because my friend interacts with Alexis Bellino, but retracted anger face because I realized you're on my side on this one. Okay, continue. you she said that she played it at a lunch with jen and katie and that it was played it was played and jen's like um no no i i don't remember that i was at a lunch and i don't remember this text ever being played i just it didn't happen so katie's katie tells us um she's like i've never been alone with heather i mean jen was definitely there but which is funny is that katie suddenly Is that Katie saying I did have a lunch with Alexis and Jen and I did play it there?

20:32Ben Mandelker: Because I'm like, you're kind of in your you're you're it sounded like that's what she was saying. But maybe she she didn't technically say that. So maybe she just means she was there when I told her about it. Told her. But, you know, Katie does lie all the time. So I don't know. I think Katie got together with them and played this thing thinking it was going to be hilarious. And Jen doesn't want to be any part of it. And Alexis decided not to use it so she doesn't get her ass sued for illegal recordings or something. Yeah. And by the way, I'm sure it was hilarious. I'm sure it was a hilarious recording.

21:01Ben Mandelker: And let's not lose sight of that. I would have loved to have heard that recording. Yeah, me too. We have heard versions of it over the years because it's Shannon. So it was like Shannon does this five times a season at least. So including at the end of this episode. So we can we can and her hair is always pulled back into a ponytail every single time to. Isn't that funny? She's got like a habit of like, you know, Shannon's ready to go to battle when she pulls her hair back and she comes in like, and you, you are the worst person. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappins commercial.

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24:52Ben Mandelker: So Heather's like, I believe Jen. She doesn't remember things. Jen is stupid. So I completely believe that she didn't hear it. I mean, she goes into Neiman Marcus's and buys dresses she can't even afford. And then I watch her do it. She's so dumb. So they're like, yeah, recording that audio of Shannon wasn't nice. And Heather's like, oh, there is no coming back from that. There is no coming back. And Shannon says, well, she said she didn't do it on video. Like, that matters. Oh, there's no coming back. Like, Katie has crossed so many lines. So many lines. She has crossed as many lines as I have read in auditions over the years.

25:36Ben Mandelker: Because I'm a working actress. Thank you very much. So, Jen. Tamara's crossed lines. Tamara's not an actress. How dare you say that? She's like, well, I'm not Tamara's keeper. Well, I'm not Katie's keeper. But do you just give her grace because you're in a safer space? Why do you give Tamara so much space? I don't know where this Jen came from. This is great. I love Jen doing this. I love Jen reminding everyone who the real villain is here. It's not Katie doing an audio recording of Shannon having one of her five million meltdowns. It's Tamara. And Heather's like, oh, hold on. Let me do a big flop of my hand.

26:11Ben Mandelker: Okay, my hand is to the right. And let's flop it over to the left. I'm not scared. I'm not scared. Look, I just slam dunked a basketball into my espresso martini. I'm not scared. I'm not scared. Not scared. So when we go back to Tamar, she said, I'm just after a different standoff than everybody else. It's okay for Katie, but what I did last season, I'm the devil. I'm the devil that baited me. Ryan posted about suing me, and so if I say anything, he's gonna sue me. And my lawyer said that's baiting, and I shouldn't be around him. So I'm not gonna be around him. No, just maybe don't slander him, you fucking crazy person.

26:54Ben Mandelker: is this when she is like when she says I'm held to a different stand or whatever at one point they like move the screen over and they show Tamar putting on the FBI hat and basically like the FBI was at his house there is honestly I'm sorry there's a massive difference between saying hey the FBI was at Ryan's house and he's like basically saying he's implicated in this scandal that's going on in the sports world versus Katie recording a voice memo I'm not saying that what Katie did was good I'm not saying it's not violating, but you cannot, but you can't act like Tamra was like, oh, it was just some small thing.

27:29Ben Mandelker: She rear-ended a Jamba Juice truck. Like, it's not like, it's like Tamra, you did was, was a significant, significant thing. This is a villainous act. Yeah. Well, she does it all the time where she just kind of minimizes her own thing. You know, it's, it's, that's how she rolls. What I do, what I do. So then we go back to the other ladies and Heather's like announcement, announcement. Ding, ding, ding. I would like to ding on this very dark espresso martini that barkeep has made me. Ding, ding, ding. I'm having a birthday party for myself. Like, oh, well, that's not really surprising. So I was like, wow, that was a month ago, your birthday.

28:07So, well, I don't like celebrating after the holidays because everyone's fat and gross and poor. So I decided to have it in a month where people are less disgusting looking.

28:19Ben Mandelker: You know, in January, you know, that's when Wendy Malick's back on the sidewalk with her Pam be like, give me some dollars. I spent everything on a toy for my child. No one wants to see that. So I told Tamara, I'm inviting Jen, but then she said her attorney said not to be around Ryan. So I'm not telling you, I don't want you to uninvite Ryan, but maybe talk to Ryan and see if he has other things to do instead. And she's like, Oh, Oh, well then you chose Tamara because that is my husband. And I had to sit there and argue that my kids are in a safe house and that I wasn't raided by the FBI and I had to pay for lawyers that I couldn't afford because your friend your friend said we were raided by the FBI that woman has caused who is Jen right now this was amazing it was so amazing that this even come from and I even gave her the amount of huevos to go against Heather like that I loved it it was so good I even gave her a pass about saying that Ryan was her husband because that's not true but like when And she was like, this woman has caused me so much pain and she doesn't want to come around by Ryan.

29:25Ben Mandelker: Fuck her. Heather's like, oh, OK. All right. You're making the espresso martini mad. Espresso martinis are kind of my thing. Wait, hold on one second. What was that? Emily has a tagline about espresso martinis. I will not stand for this. That woman caused so much pain. So she doesn't want to come to be around Ryan. Well, fuck her. And then someone next to them is like, oh, you go, girl. And she's like, sorry. She's sorry. She's like, I'm sorry. But you know what? Uninvite me. Uninvite me. Why do you side with her? Why do you lower yourself? I thought you took the high road. Oh, well, you were not supposed to know that was my line, but that's fine.

30:02Ben Mandelker: That's bullshit. Are you not lowering yourself by being with someone who videotaped a friend? It's like, you cannot make this equivalency. That's not the same. You are the company you keep. It's like, well, yes. and I suppose if that's true I guess I keep the company with Drake he does live around the corner from me so thank you for that I have so many Grammys, thank you and you know what Jen, if you judge me for my friendships what does that say about you and yours and she goes, that's not fair then I'll invite everyone and may the chips fall where they may where they fall where they may let them fall where they may, I don't care because we have maids that can pick up all the chips don't you worry if it's a Pringles, if it's a Ruffles let it fall on the floor that's what the working people are for.

30:47Yeah. So Katie is at home with her sons and dads and she is kind of an odd mom because she says things like this. Honey, do you want to come into the kitchen? We're eating dip.

31:02That's it. Family diplomats. We're like fucking forced Weight Watchers dip. I'm getting dip.

31:09Ben Mandelker: Kids, it's dip time. Last year, Gavin split the year with me and his dad And now he's here and I never see him. He's always gone. So they said this is kind of a boring scene because it's a Katie home scene. Like who needs that? Nobody. So she's basically talking about how one of her sons still doesn't live with her, but one of her sons decided to come back and live. So now the other son wants to come live back here and she's going to feel like her family's all back together again. and she talks about the custody battle um starting 11 years ago and how she had to give up custody because she had nothing after her divorce she was cut off from everything and so it made sense for her to let the kids stay in their home and go to school in their district because their life is basically more important than hers which you know the way she explains it is like i basically made sacrifices for my kids sake and she's like and for that to be used against me is shit and i feel like a woman should uplift fellow women for what they survived, you know, and not tear them down for their mistakes or whatever.

32:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I think that's a fair point. I think it's a very fair point. Yeah. And there was something else. I was confused. She said her son, the one who's there, the older son, he spent his time in San Diego. Matt's house. Is it because they had a house in San Diego? But then they also had a house in the OC. I know this was an issue on the reunion. I just don't remember the details. I think that's where the husband has a house. Right. So the kids had the choice. And so the kid chose to be in one place for the summers and one place for the school year. But now he's choosing to come back to her for the school year.

32:41But that leaves the other son in that leaves them separated.

32:47Ben Mandelker: So that's what we find out. Now we go to Emily and Shane and they're having a date. They're going to go to as far as I can tell. Is this the West Coast opening of Club Club? It's a bowling alley and there's beverages. And the lighting is cool. Is it Club Club? Did someone do? George McCann, you are onto something. Well, this isn't a bowling alley and a club. This is a bowling alley and a tavern. It's called Tavern Plus Bowl.

33:20Ben Mandelker: Bowler. Was it really called Tavern Plus Bowl? Yeah, Tavern Plus Bowl. Tavern Plus Bowl. so this dork brought his own bowling shoes and shane's like yes yes i did i am a bowler as i will prove to you so uh it's going to be a three couple date with gina and travis emily and shane and shannon and dun dun dun dun dun adam the man from love hotel A man who will love to wear a scarf at the least expected moment.

34:00So Shannon's like, well, he was on the Love Hotel and I eliminated him. Oh, but he's six years younger than me and he wants kids again. So that's not happening here. That is not happening here.

34:14Ben Mandelker: Well, I don't know why she broke up with Earl. something I heard about that there was a storm system heading towards Georgia but this one is a matching bowling shirt and so they're both equally nuts now call me crazy I don't think it's that crazy to wear a bowling shirt to bowling matching bowling shirts is a little weird I feel like that's what middle aged couples do all the time I would do it I'd wear a matching bowling shirt I'm like I'm middle age But this is also Emily who anything that happens, she's like, isn't this insane? We're on TV right now. And then Gina's like, oh, I'm going to prove what a good friend I am to Shannon.

34:56So I'm going to like really grill this guy. So I'm like, when was your last serious relationship? You a big drinker? You got a temper? You even killed? You even killed? Because I'm not going to tolerate another John Jansen situation. I don't even care if I have to stay all night and growl. I'm like, I'm gonna do it. You early bird, you late night. You got a schedule. You got a retirement plan. You believe we landed on the moon? We didn't land on the moon.

35:26Ben Mandelker: After you make fun of someone, do you feel bad? So then Travis is he's like, or Trevor Travis, I always forget his name. He's like, honey you're acting like our dog. sorry, I feel me. And so she pulls off and everything. And Shannon's like, look, okay, I intend to make it clear that I have nothing to say to Katie ever, ever again. Except for later in this episode when I will actually yell at her for a bit. But anyway, oh wow, I'm gonna crash. I'm gonna crash when I get home. Oh, no, Shane. That was my bad. Shane goes up to Shannon and goes, God, you're really gonna crash when you get home. Too soon, Shane.

36:07Ben Mandelker: Shane, think about the words. think about the words Shannon's like oh this is just our first stop we're going from here to the quiet lady the quiet woman and we've got lots of places to go oh

36:24so we go to Jen a Jen home scene talking to her kid about sports and he got in trouble because he's talking too much in PE and Ryan loved that he's like good for you

36:36Ben Mandelker: I didn't know you had to be silent in PE I feel like Pete, like, maybe it's like, okay, kids, this is how you climb the rope. And he gets, he was talking through that part. But I was like, I feel like Pete is actually one of the louder classes where you can talk and whatnot. Yeah. And it's also like run by people. Is this called jumping yaks? No, it's not jumping yaks. It's jumping jacks. Prank. So Ryan's like, you know, being a stepdad is hard. It's, you know, like, you know, because they already have a dad who doesn't even wear paint splatter on his denim jackets. and I just wish he was more hands-on and he's not, but he's going to live on a roof but everything's cool, everything's totally cool you can see Ryan biting his tongue to be like this fucking guy's a douchebag, I hate him and this is for me, Ryan, is calling someone a douchebag yeah, Ryan's like, well, he's a terrible father so I try to fill in when I can but it sucks so Dawson comes home and he's met a recruiter and he's joining the Marines and Jen's like well, he didn't even ask me the conversation was, I'm joining the Marines so, that's great And so she's talking to him.

37:37She's like, so this is the path you want, honey? You're really sure? And he's like, yep. And he's like, yeah, you know, like the only thing is like they say like the hardest part is like the mental part. I just want like the training to hurry up. I mean, isn't this kid always like in trouble and stuff? He's got another thing coming to him if he thinks this is the easy road.

37:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah, if you think that like the train, he's like, I just want the train to hurry up. I'm like, I don't know much about being a soldier. I applaud the people who have gone down this path my feeling is that after the training is over it's still going to be hard you may want to hurry up it's going to be hard I've never met a soldier or a family member of a soldier who's like oh my god thank god he took the easy route and became a soldier

38:26Ben Mandelker: oh god it's a cakewalk god so pleasant being deployed so um so but then here's what gets crazy so it's just like a standard scene he's going to marines like okay okay okay and then jen goes oh by the way did you sign harrison's school loan with your dad and he's like yeah and you're like what and then um she says because i don't feel comfortable co-signing with your dad but you did and it turns out that harrison who was an older son who was like 21 or something needed, uh, like a school loan. And so the dad had Dawson, who's 18 co-sign on a school loan. I was like, I wasn't even sure if I was really even hearing this or seeing this correctly at first.

39:11Ben Mandelker: I was like, is that possible? Like someone, you're having the younger son who's still in high school. First of all, you're allowed to do that. And then you're going to have the younger son who's still in high school co-sign on sign on it i guess on spec that this kid was going into the marines is gonna be earning a salary that is shitty that is so shitty and terrible and so the dad didn't co-sign at all he just made the son do it i'm so confused i don't i don't know did the dad and the son both co-sign i don't understand why there's two because i thought i took it at first that the dad had the son because she said i don't feel comfortable co-signing with your dad but so he made you do it meaning that the dad co-signed and the son co-signed for the other son's loan so does that mean now there's three people on the loan did the dad just i don't know enough credit to do it himself so he needed somebody like i don't know i don't must have been all all i know is i i would just never like never like make your son co-sign the loan for your other son and then now now dawson is basically on the he's on the hook for for all this stuff and they you know ryan lays it all out.

40:21Ben Mandelker: Like you have more debt than you have income coming in. That's going to show on this one. If you want to buy stuff and Dawson's like, yeah, that's cool. I was like, oh, that's, this is so shitty. And Ryan is basically at the end of the scene when Dawson leaves, Ryan's like, yeah, I would never do that. Like that's I can't put my kid in that spot. Yeah. That's yeah. That's so shitty. Yep. So then Heather goes out with Tamara and they go to this place with parrots all over the place for whatever Madagascar there's a restaurant called Madagascar. It's a very global spot in Orange County. So Tamara comes in.

40:56She's like, oh, it's such a cat. Hey, buddy. Oh, you're the mean one. I remember you. You called me old one year. And I laughed. But then they actually show a clip from 2017 where she's coming in and you just hear old. She's like, did you just call me old? Stupid mother.

41:11Ben Mandelker: Call it like I see it. Bop. Bop. Call it like I see it. Bop. Bop. I'm Gretchen Rossi. Nice to meet you. Bop. Oh, my God. Everywhere. She's everywhere. So Heather's like, I want some champagne. But, but, barkeep, can we please have some regular wine glasses instead of champagne glasses? Thank you. That's how we're doing it now. That's how we're doing it now. Tell the other boys. Tell the other boys. Oh, my goodness. God. Wow, Tamara, you've been so calm lately. What's your secret? So she's like, life is so sad. so she talks about therapy but she talks about teddy and she's looking at videos with teddy and she's like and i'm in so many of those videos videos so many videos with teddy there was a feeling i was like are you low-key trying to jockey for position with kyle you're competing with kyle richards right now aren't you i feel like i kind of feel like there's like an element where like kyle gets all the credit for being teddy's best friend like they just had a glamour i think it was glamour magazine they had a whole spread about like with the two of them and everything for what Teddy's going through.

42:20Ben Mandelker: And I feel like Tamara, I get the sense that Tamara's like, hello, I'm also her best friend and I talk with her and work with her every single day of the week and I'm getting no credit for this. And Kyle Richards is stealing all the friend credit in this situation. And I still had everything going on with Teddy. I was going through the Instagram and thinking how I'm the friend who's on every single post. And I scrolled and I scrolled and I scrolled and I scrolled and finally on page 18, I got to Kyle Richards. And I thought, wow, Teddy could see some more phone calls from her, probably. Yeah, but now I'm digging up my childhood, Sydney.

42:56Ben Mandelker: I'm crying all the time. Oh, when did you go to Sydney? No, that's my daughter, bitch. Oh, yes, I definitely paid attention. I can't wait to meet her. Because we are very good friends. No, she's the one who erased me. But I can see you. Oh, God, do you pay attention to anything I've ever said? Sorry, hard to see you over all my hotline bling. I am the company that I keep Drake. So she's like, you are doing the work on yourself. It's like every time I see a maid vacuuming herself in my basement, I'm like, you are doing the work on yourself.

43:31It's not the image of a maid vacuuming herself. Good for you. Putting in the work. Terry's like, why is there a maid vacuuming herself? I told her to do the work on herself. she took it literally so Heather is really trying to sell this newfound version of Tamara to us she's like I have never seen Tamara go through so much emotionality she's so balanced she's so thoughtful and listen Tamara I'm talking to you now I'm not the audience I told Jen when are you going to give Tamara some grace aren't we sick of seeing grace under fire I'm not because a very good actress named Heather Dubrow was on there.

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46:56Ben Mandelker: Higher app engagement was associated with greater weight loss at 16 weeks. so heather's like and now you just hear over my dead body over my dead body oh that toucan has met grace butler was that her name no uh i think her name is i was gonna say ret butler but that's the gone with the wind maybe that's butler butler damn it what was her name i don't know who she is she didn't survive the 90s the way i did but i'm sure she's had great fun And auditioning for Brett Butler. Yeah. Brett Butler. He played Grace. Grace Kelly. Under fire. It was Grace Kelly. Was her name Grace Kelly? I guess so. Yeah.

47:40God, I really fucked myself up. Okay, the recap's over. I need time for my brain to heal from all the information I just learned about this early 90s sitcom.

47:49Ben Mandelker: Anyway, as I was telling my dear friend, the lady with the blue eyeshadow on that Drew show, it's hard. It's very hard. And we need to give Tamra some grace. truth.

48:09Well, I started by telling her about not drinking champagne glasses out of flutes. I want her to make that mistake. God bless her heart. She's got it hard enough over there.

48:19Ben Mandelker: Drinking a lot of cream out of that espresso martini. Anyway, I don't like it. I brought up the party and I mentioned Ryan to Jen and Tamara's like, oh, yeah, just tell her not to bring and my lawyer said so. Well, I told everyone to bring their significant others, so, you know, it's starting a war. I told this person can bring someone, that person can bring someone, slam dunk into the table, you know. Oh, Heather is playing with fire here. And, of course, she started it out by, Tamara, I just want to say how proud I am of you. You've grown so much. Jen's boyfriend's coming to the party. Wait, did they get married?

48:57Oh, no, maybe they didn't. Did they have a small ceremony? I don't remember.

49:01Ben Mandelker: No. Maybe they want to have a small ceremony. I don't think they eloped. I think that, like, remember that she was trying on wedding bikinis recently? Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So Tamara's like, is his friendship better than mine? This hurts my feelings. And we all know what happens when my feelings get hurt. Listen, listen. It's going to be a big party. You don't have to see her. There's going to be a lot of people. My friends, the Terlottis, who own the winery, will be there. Richard Marks, we're letting him out of the basement. He'll sing some songs. It'll be a chill, dancing vibe.

49:38Ben Mandelker: I mean, there'll be some upbeat jams by Michael Buble, sure. But if you see Ryan, just ignore him. Easy as pie. Oh, yeah? Well, I know for a fact that Eddie won't go to your party. Because Eddie's not concerned for that. Oh, no. What are we going to do at a party without your protein fart fucking charisma bundled husband? Who cares? Yeah. What is anything? The life of the party. Eddie. God, it'll be so sad without him there. Eddie judge. So we go to Terry and Heather. She is this where they're getting ready for the party, I think. So they're getting ready. And Terry's like, so how much is this party compared to the no blue party?

50:17She's like, more. And he's like, well, how much more? Two times, three times. I'll say four times. He's like, that was$45 ,000, Heather. Yeah. Well, Richard Marks, breathing stem cells into Richard Marks doesn't come cheap.

50:34Ben Mandelker: Luckily, Daisy Fuentes says she's going to chip in. So then we go to Jen and Ryan and Jen's like, I mean, if we see Tamara, just like no allegations talk. He's like, I'm not going to talk to her. Okay, good. So Ryan had knee surgery, so he's going to be hobbling around. This is someone who is desperate to be on camera, is that he got knee surgery the day before, but he's still like, uh-uh, I'm going to go. I'm going to hobble around. I might permanently ruin my knee because I should be resting right now, but it'll be worth it to be on camera. Yeah. A hoodie and a blazer at the same time. Yeah.

51:07So Katie's telling her hair person she wants to talk to Shannon, and Shannon's telling her hair person she's absolutely not talking to Katie. But I am bringing Phil from The Dating Show, Love Island. I keep in contact with all of them. I have a bunch of friends. A bitch.

51:24Ben Mandelker: Tomorrow, I'm going to be bringing my new, sweet, adorable friend. His name is Ace Green. And he is very small. And he fits in my pocket. And he will be a great addition to whatever event we go to. I cannot wait. So Heather walks through her party. And she's like, oh, do I feel an obligation to throw a good party? Yes. I have a champagne girl in a glass. I have people rolling joints because I'm Heather Dubrow. Cool mom. I've got two guys writing poetry, sushi, caviar bombs. And yes, I also hired pro photographers to capture the event, not to be confused with paparazzi. God, isn't it great to be a cool person having rolled marijuana joints and poetry?

52:11Ben Mandelker: God, I love being me. So Emily and Shane arrive, Life of the Party, part two. and emily's like the point of a birthday party is that you were birthed on this earth on a day this just feels so random yeah and some people celebrate christmas in june and have to celebrate their birthday whenever the fuck she wants i feel bad for anyone's birthday really is today well i heard that ryan had knee surgery girls i thought maybe he got a lesson doesn't want to come. Love it. She's like, maybe some heavy showed up and like banged him in the knees like the little hoodlum he is. Sam's like, is Tamara coming?

52:52Ben Mandelker: You don't know. She's like, I don't know, but we'll check every dumpster to see if she's hiding out. So then Ryan shows up. Jen come and Ryan's in a hoodie, which is super classy. This is a classy party, sir. Okay. Your knee was hurt, not your arms. Put on a decent shirt. Okay. yeah and then shannon shows up with none other than

53:17Ben Mandelker: phil is horrified he's like i didn't know there was a place south of santa monica boulevard what what is this land down here orange county what do i do so shannon's like well that Katie better not talk to me. I'll tell you that. Don't you want to talk to Katie? Make a new friend? No, absolutely not. Don't you even start. So Heather is making everyone do caviar bombs, which apparently is where they come and they put caviar on your hand like Coke. And then instead of snorting it, you lick it off, which sounds disgusting. Yes. I don't need my retin-A that is probably left over on my hand mixing with my caviar.

54:05Ben Mandelker: Absolutely not. And I've done many of these. I'm like, I will do it. Just give me a fucking cracker. I'm not even in it for the fish eggs. I'm here for the crackers. I agree. I prefer a cracker over it being on my hand. I don't love it being on my hand, but I do wash my hands first before I do it. Oh, delicious. It's not totally disgusting. Public restroom soap scent as you eat your caviar. It's gross. Humans are gross. so um shannon's telling everyone about phil she's like well everyone so phil we met on the love hotel and we got and he got to know all the girls and he is one of our favorites he's also the one who has more than six figures in his bank account so we enjoy phil emily's like hey i love your teeth wow you got really good teeth so when do you celebrate your birthday a month later probably like this wacko.

55:01All right.

55:03Ben Mandelker: Now, I just want to tell everyone that Phil is not a friend with benefits. He's just a friend. Although there is a benefit to being a friend with him, which is that he will bail you out if something should happen on the road, if you know what I'm saying. Oh, goodness. Phil, you're not recording this, are you? So Gina's like, well, the dry pie caviar's a bit much, but it's just another day in the life at DuPont. so then Shannon let's see Shannon they're doing this thing where they're like gong with a glass like they give you a shot and you have to hit the gong and if you don't hit the gong you have to take another shot and then keep hitting the gong so of course Shannon just keeps missing it to get more shots but they finally move her over to some some version they're like we'll give you a non-alcoholic shot so we can hit the gong without getting wasted Emily and Gina walk through a hall of mirrors which is like watching this show and she's like whoa this venue used to be like a massive like Christian television compound and it's like giving those vibes like I also feel like weird cult shit like it's weird to think that there used to be like a TV network here and now it's gone I feel bad that they got canceled it's weird because Miami was in a church and this one's in a Christian compound it's very Jesusy week over on Rob's so then um Terry Dubrow is like whoa guys there's a marijuana bar here okay they roll the whole thing look let me show where'd it go it's not in the glass thing where did it go i'm like oh my god terry probably been hitting the marriage wanna we are cool we are a cool couple suck on this wendy malik um so then uh katie is uh katie is there and she's like well i never thought i'd be at heather's birthday but Seeing Shannon makes me sad.

56:49No, I think what you're supposed to say is, I feel meh.

56:53Ben Mandelker: I'm just like, I won't do that. I won't say that, Gina. So Shannon is already steaming because Shannon's had some shots now at the gong thing and her hair is pulled back. So we know what's about to happen. So she's like, oh, that girl recorded me in a gallery shoot. And Katie and Gina, back to them. Katie's like, yeah, and I'm not really happy with Tamara. I mean, listen, I fell on the sword. I went over to Tamara's house. I apologized to her. And then she tattled on me and took everything I told her. And, you know, look, every problem I've had in this group has been Tamara telling on me. Yeah.

57:23So maybe learn your fucking lesson. Yeah, exactly. No one ever learns their lesson. Like, how is Tamara to these people off screen that they're so loyal to Tamara once the cameras start rolling? Because the second they start rolling, that shit's all out the window. You guys need to learn.

57:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I know. Seriously. so meanwhile Emily says hi to Gretchen and Slade and Gretchen's like however by the way we should get more testosterone for our love life because I broke Slade's penis for real it's a medical thing you can't get a boner anymore when it breaks it causes scar tissues and how it bends because he doesn't want to get hired in that section so I call him Captain Hook now because it's like that and you really can see how this has affected Slade because I was like wow Slade is much he's much more withdrawn this time around it's like oh he can't get a full boner and like that's in his head it's in his head in many many ways more ways than one so then Heather and Katie are talking about Shannon and Katie's like I sent her a text and Heather's like yep she showed me she showed me your text which is okay somehow like recording's not bad but showing people private texts are okay so Shannon is like oh oh Well, look over there.

58:39Heather is chatting with Katie like nothing happened. Are you fucking kidding me?

58:46Ben Mandelker: I was like, oh, you know what, Katie, you have to fix this. You have to fix this. Can you go fix this? Okay. Katie's like, okay, I'll ask her to a chat. So they go and they basically, um, they, they go up, Jen and Katie go up to Phil and Shannon. And Katie's like, hi, hi, I'm, I'm Katie. And you are, sir, with the teeth? What's your name? Hello, I'm Phil from Ballet. Oh, wow, that's very interesting. I feel scared right now. I don't know why. Can we have a talk, Shannon? Okay, I am... Okay. Well, I am very, very, very, very, very sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you in any way. I have no excuse except that I just wanted to bring laughter into the lives of many people by recording you.

59:33Ben Mandelker: That's all. Oh, well, you know, you sent me a text and you were giving me excuses and that is not an apology. What you did is illegal. Illegal. And I expect my privacy. That day where you videotaped me, I was upset. That was illegal. Well, I don't even remember what it was. I don't even remember what it was about. Well, it's none of your business. It's none of your business what that call was about. Well, you came in to the gallery shoot and you were on your speakerphone. It was outside. I was outside. No, no, it was right next to our station. Oh, is that your business? Is that your business? Is that your business where I take a call?

1:00:09Ben Mandelker: Well, you made it my business when you did it. In fact, I was on a business call with an investor investing in tiny shot glasses.

1:00:20Ben Mandelker: Isn't that a thing? Tiny shot glasses, golf, golf, golf. I forgot the little golf buzz balls. I was getting an investor who was going to invest in shot glasses that were the shape of golf balls. unfortunately i was being told on that call that i was being sued for stealing his id in the first place yeah that didn't really happen so i was one heartbeat away from shark tank and then you walked in and disrupted everything i mean barbara corcoran basically hung up on me at that moment i went from shark tank to shark tank okay and shannon's like well you're on an important business call and get you hung up to record me which is a decent point actually it is a very strong point that you are sitting here trying to defend yourself i am apologizing no you're not no you're not that's not an apology that is not an apology there's not one carbon site emily's like watching it she goes heather it's your party so i don't know if you want to intervene should we do what you would intervene and uh shane's like we should record it get it get it And I'm like, that is hilarious, Shane.

1:01:27That is hilarious. You're getting anal tonight. So Shanna's like, nothing you say ever as I'm ever, Katie. And I've gone to the bottom of the barrel with these women. And not once has anyone recorded me. And her finger's going in full. She points it in her face and buzzes it in a circle. And then she starts doing the conducting thing. Where she's like, not once have they recorded me. I'm going to say that you know about Shanna.

1:01:52Ben Mandelker: because I guarantee Tamara and all of them have recorded you many times and they laugh about it to themselves. So Katie's like, well, it just went to my husband. Alexis never heard it. Which we know is a lie because we know at the very least she sat and told Alexis all about it. So Katie does this thing where she plays on technicalities. And Shanna's like, oh, Katie, I worry about your mental state. I really do. And she's like, well, you're worried about my mental state. Shannon Bedore, Shannon Bedore is worried about my mental state. And she's like, she's the one screaming and yelling, you know.

1:02:31Ben Mandelker: You were the one, you were the one in Sonoma City with me talking about the videos against me. And you decided after all that I've been through to video record me. Yes, I know what the technical term is, video record. That's what you did. And no apology will ever make up for how you have violated me. I put you in the same category as John Jansen video recorders. That's what you both are. And she's like, oh, really? So I sued you for 75 grand? Well, you recorded me, and you're in their category. You're like a category five hurricane storm. Sorry, Earl, that was for you. I was trying to do a little makeup session for you.

1:03:08Ben Mandelker: There you go. She's like, no, I'm not. Can I talk? Can I talk? You're the one talking over me. So Shannon, giving her full ponytail drunken anger, gets up. She's like, let me make this clear. I can't eat you now, ma. I will never, ever speak to you again. You are the most evil, evil person I've met. She's trying to defend herself. She's a insanity. I'm not going to let you rile me up. Not you. This girl, worse. Worse than Alexis Bellino. Worse than Tamara Judge. We're done. We're done. I will not let you rile me up while I scream at this party and storm out. You will not rile me up. And then she storms out and Kitty goes, she left her grilled cheese.

1:03:55Great episode. So hilarious. It was a great Housewives week. Very good week for the Housewives. Everybody, thanks so much for being here. We sure love you guys. We'll talk to you next week. Bye.

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