#2947 RHOA S16E20 Part 2: Oakley-Dokily

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1:54Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that happens? What happens when there's so much that happens?

2:02Ronnie Karam: What happens when there's so much that happens? Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

2:53Ben Mandelker: went and so we see a clip of her going and she's like you know because i cried to you about how ralph left me and portia's like yeah but i thought it was fake so that's why i thought it was okay to

3:04Ronnie Karam: do this portia was super portia and chamia both were super shitty for doing this i mean ralph is someone who's like stalking her you know he had the hidden cameras he had the cheating he had the all the shit that he's saying online the coming for her mom he's doing really nasty shit to her And so, yeah, it would have been more equal if it was Drew bringing Simon on screen. Not Dennis. Well, Portia says, like, well, I can't keep up with you guys. The lies. But you and him, like, all he was saying is, I don't know, like, you guys lie.

3:36Ben Mandelker: Which I think is fair, actually, because you cannot tell with the lies with Drew and Ralph. But also, I think that this is the moment where Portia should, like, go back to what she said in an earlier episode of the reunion when she said, yeah, I was just being messy. That's it. I just was being messy because you were being messy and I wanted to take a swipe at you. So I was being messy because that's the truth. That's the real truth. Like, yeah, you may not be able to keep up with the lies, but you also know that when you do that, you cede any sort of moral high ground you think you have about the whole Dennis and Drew thing.

4:04Ben Mandelker: So just stop trying to be like, well, I was justified in doing that. Just say you were being messy.

4:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Portia's like, well, I'm just saying I think you guys are in cahoots when it comes to some of the drama you promote, which I think. I mean, I don't know. It seems like that when you're posting those Instagram videos. So then Andy's like, well, Brooke from Lynn Heights says, Shamia, why did you set up Portia to meet with Ralph to get back a drill? You didn't like her calling you a lapdog, but that was lapdog behavior. And Shamia's like, well, I mean, you know, it was, but you know how she called me a lapdog the whole season. So, okay, well, let me act like a lapdog then. You want to see a lapdog?

4:42Ronnie Karam: Okay. So, yeah, it was that.

4:44Ben Mandelker: It was. I don't believe. Wait, that was a weird. But I did not like for some reason, I really did not like this response from Shamia. This seems like like you're going to call me a lapdog. So fine, I'll be a lapdog. No, you didn't do that. Like as some sort of strident owning of a criticism. You did it because you were being you were being a sincere laptop. You're not being lapdog. You're not being an ironic lapdog in that moment.

5:08Ronnie Karam: You're being an actual lapdog.

5:11Ben Mandelker: Don't try to take ownership of it. Ownership of it after the fact like this was some empowerment moment for you. It was not. You were just being messy as Mel as Portia.

5:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Angela, Shamia's like, yeah, you know, lapdog, lapdog. So Angela's like, please don't talk about yourself like that. And Shamia's like, well, I mean, she keeps saying it, you know. And honestly, for me, I just feel like I'm being a loyal friend, like you were to her. And Angela's like, no, but, you know, like, she goes, no, but I'm too big to sit on anybody's lap. So that's the difference. So they all laugh. and Kelly's like well I think we're all loyal friends oh right okay all right you've been fighting for 13 hours now about shit that you did to each other

5:56Ben Mandelker: and he says this which I thought was funny he goes Twitter said true this is the first time he just said just the whole platform the whole platform Twitter said Drew in a recent interview you admitted to spending sending flirty text to Ty her ex also said that you both spoke for an average of 3 ,000 minutes a month. Is this the main reason why you're getting a divorce? And Drew's like, well, I mean, we have remained to say that we are friends. But first of all, I think that if you do the math, 3 ,000 minutes or whatever is really not that much time. Drew, 3 ,000 minutes is literally a lot of time.

6:37Ben Mandelker: Like three hour minutes, 3 ,000 minutes, How many hours is that? That's what is that? Five. It's 50 hours. You flounder.

6:49Ronnie Karam: What are you giving me math? No, I wasn't as a rhetorical.

6:52Ben Mandelker: It was. That is 50 hours. You're so smart.

6:56Ronnie Karam: I mean, I already knew that. I was just being silent because I was doing it on the calculator. But yeah, 50 hours. That's a lot in a month. 50 hours is a lot in a month. At first, I was really impressed because Phaedra goes, well, that's about 10 minutes a day. and I was like, oh my God, look at Phaedra with the on-spot math. But no, it's not. If it's a month, it's 50 hours a month.

7:15Ben Mandelker: That's like talking for 90 minutes every day, basically. A little bit more than that. In a 31-day month, I'd like to add, in a 30-day month, I mean, those stats are just skyrocketing. You guys can't do this to math. You know what happened to my daycare. You're getting close to two hours at that point. But the point is, that's a lot. I hate talking on the phone. I have some friends who are like, they're like, Ben, why don't you ever call? And I'm like, well, first of all, the phone goes two ways. But also, I don't want to encourage you to call me because I don't like talking on the phone. I hate talking on the phone.

7:46Ben Mandelker: I just want to text and send little DMs.

7:49Ronnie Karam: But I have certain friends that I'll talk to. And then I talk. I mean, I do talk on the phone quite a bit, but I can't do it with everybody.

7:56Ben Mandelker: You know, I don't think I like talking on the phone. I think because what we do right here is like gabbing on the phone. Like we're just sitting here gabbing like, and then she said that. I don't like that. And you're like, yeah, I liked it. What? But I didn't like it. Well, I liked it.

8:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have to have meetings with my friend, not meet, you know, I have to have specified times where we talk on the phone because yeah, today I'm not going to talk on the phone, but you know, on lighter days, I'll talk, I'll do my three hours with my bestie and stuff, but yeah, I can't do it every day. So Shamia is like, wow, I'm married and I don't even talk to my husband for 3000 minutes. And Drew's like, did we see a receipt on that? I mean, people can throw things out, but does that always make it true? and um and he's like well okay and then who is black and are you dating him he's like he's a friend a friend now like i said before he owns the number one hookah company in the country and i am here to give everybody a free hookah everybody gets a free hookah and he's like you know that makes it look like you're banging him because you are now promoting his thing he's like He has lots of friends.

8:57Ben Mandelker: This is almost as bad of a flex as when Kenya sort of dated the guy who had the rest, like, Kale Me Crazy. But I think we called it Kale Me Crazy.

9:07Ronnie Karam: Yes.

9:08Ben Mandelker: Kale Me Crazy opened in WeHo for all of six months and it closed. Like, literally, it did not last, I don't think, more than six months.

9:16Ronnie Karam: Well, they should have called it Kale Me By Your Name if they're going to open it in WeHo. You know, like, give it some gain. I know.

9:21Ben Mandelker: we need to have Misha on and do an episode about Kale Me Crazy in WeHo. Talk about the big flop. Just talk about like the life and times of a fast casual kale restaurant. But so then Drew goes about and starts you know he starts basically handing out hookah gifts to everyone. She gets out of one of these tiny little hookahs. Little baby hookahs or vapes I should say. And no one looks particularly impressed. you know yeah like this is the housewives where you give out things that have diamonds on them you don't give out things that you could find in like a store in times square drew's like i'm

10:01Ronnie Karam: dating a paperclip air she everybody hears a paperclip drew handing out vapes or like little

10:09Ben Mandelker: pipes as if this is like the height of luxury um bravo is is so drew sadora i mean this is why i really vastly between being like oh my god i can't stand drew but also like i i like love i think drew has become the perfect housewife because she's so delusional. And she's so upwardly mobile and yet very stagnant at the same time. Yeah.

10:32Ronnie Karam: Okay. Well, MassaPussy from Cambridge says, Drew, if you were dating someone, why don't you just come clean in order to shut down rumors about you wanting the hot dog man? And she's like, oh my god, Dennis is not my type. I mean, if you know my type, I mean, look at Ralph. I like flat-headed men or i'm sorry um triangle-headed men um with really good physiques and portia's like um yeah black's black's not all that either baby it's like oh now you're coming for my friend now you're calling my hook a friend fat she's like well you're coming for my friend she's like and he's like well if you were dating someone would you bring them on the show absolutely and when i have a boyfriend i will be so happy to share who that boyfriend is and portia's like Or a girlfriend.

11:18She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Portia's like, no, we know, honey, I know, come on.

11:26Ben Mandelker: So they start joking about like, oh, bring them out, bring them out, you know. So Andy's like, all right, all right, we're going to take a break.

11:31Ronnie Karam: Well, Portia's been dating too, and I have receipts. And she's dating a, like, an African guy in Buckhead. And Portia's like, oh, really? Well, we all know I love my Africans. That could be true. So next we move on to The guys joining The boys

11:49Ben Mandelker: Ralph Ralph Ralph comes in and he says hi to Cynthia Don't sit behind me I don't want to be in this shit show Alright welcome back Hey guys well this hodgepodge reunion continues With a scattering of men We've got Dennis the hot dog guy Ralph And Charles Oakley Cool so he's like so Dennis you and Portia are not even matching tonight Portia's like yeah like I sent you a picture and Dennis is wearing like a red plaid blazer I actually kind of like it believe it or not I wasn't I wanted to hate it but I secretly liked it

12:29Ronnie Karam: and then Andy doesn't like that Shamiya's husband didn't come and she's like he's staying at home with our children he's like couldn't get a babysitter and she's like yeah this isn't really his thing and he's all and then we go to charles who's the enforcer but he's just here to support his wife okay guys yeah yeah exactly um so uh andy's like all right let me start with dennis can you clear this up did you talk to portia about working with drew and he's like

12:58Ben Mandelker: we had a small conversation but you know i talked to ralph first because that's my brother so i'd assume that true would handle this handle the woman's side um you guys you know men can talk to women we are allowed to do these things you are allowed to tell the lady that um is also your the mother of your child like your business dealing you're you are allowed to do this the fact that he's like yeah i talked to i talked to i talked to ralph and i wanted drew to tell i mean that what is what sort of bullshit is this this classic dennis i forgot how slippery he is

13:33Ronnie Karam: to like a boiled hot dog himself boys talk to boys and girls talk to girls and of course just calling him out she's like oh really oh really so you you didn't talk to drew and he's like well you know um and she goes so you're saying that you asked me about it and he goes well we talked about working together she goes and you told me and he's like well we didn't have an in-depth conversation because i felt like it was drew's place to clear that up because you know boobs You know, you have boobs, she has boobs. So Drew's like, but you told me you talked to Portia because I was expressing to you that I was trying to call Portia and have a conversation.

14:09Ronnie Karam: And you said we had a conversation and she's good. All right. Well, Dennis, when you confronted about mentioning that Drew wanted to sleep with you in exchange for music, which is the saddest indecent proposal of all time, sleeping with a hot dog guy to get a hit single, you kind of dodged up by saying that. Like, did you tell Portia that Drew wanted to sleep with you?

14:33Ben Mandelker: And so Dennis is like, no, absolutely not. I definitely did not. So Portia's like, what was the text then, Dennis? He's like, no, the text read, I'm trying to get some money and Drew wants to fuck me. That's all I wrote. So clearly, I don't know what you guys are hearing when I say that, but there was nothing about her wanting to have sex with me.

14:51Ronnie Karam: And she's like, the text said, I'm trying to get money. I'm not trying to fuck. That's what the text said, verbatim. and um so drew's like yeah but that for the record was not from me and she goes okay well now he's denying it which is just basically kind of what we knew this whole season they're fighting over something that's dennis's fault basically yep dennis just hoped he wouldn't get called by trying to get attention off of yet another housewife so he's like well you know ralph's my friend in real life so to insinuate a music a relationship outside of music is just ridiculous and she's like okay well then what you were responding to when you said i don't want anybody and he's like i don't even know if the text said that she's like we just showed the texts so so ralph's like well just exactly what portia said you know i didn't know exactly what the relationship was but to me you know it just became a little weird just because you know drew had mentioned like that she was like i don't know like she was like trying to holler at her so

15:48Ben Mandelker: like i don't know and drew is like no i never did this and ralph's like i promise i promise and everything. That's what it said. I promise. She was trying to do that. She was like, no, you're not going to come on here and start lying. He's like, no, no, no. I'm being totally sincere. I'm a good guy, everyone. I'm Ralph. I'm America's favorite Ralph. I'm not going to lie about it.

16:06Ronnie Karam: I would never lie. I'm Ralph. I never lie. So she's like, well, Dennis has never been inappropriate. I've never said that to you. And he's like, you never said that? And she goes, yeah, so for you to say that out of your lying face, I cannot wait to make pancakes with you later on camera. And he's like, I don't lie. I don't lie. That's one thing I'm not doing. Ralph, you fucking lie all the time. Have you forgotten that you've been on camera for years lying now? Years, sir. You come on, come on, Ralph. You come on here and you got dressed up at all in your white. You got your fade clean. You know, you want to come here for the cameras and every time you come here, do the same thing.

16:40You lie and then you play victim. It's not cute, bro. And if you're don't, if you don't quiet up soon, I'm gonna have to sing a song to your face again.

16:46Ronnie Karam: Oh God, I wish she did. Basement. You're in the basement with my heart. so she's like get um oh you're gonna get all this smoke that's what you came here for and he's like all right come on come on then i love when she goes ta

17:05Ben Mandelker: i want her to do that more ta so so andy's like dennis do you see yourself getting back together with porsche all of zero people in america care about this and dennis is like i mean you know i really love porsche and she's back on the market so you never know and they're like ha ha ha i'm I'm like, please, no more Dennis, please.

17:24Ronnie Karam: So what does he feel that he's friends with Gerald and that Shamia and Porsche have trouble? And he's like, well, you know, I stay out of women's business, which is hilarious because he's literally starting women's business drama to get on TV all year. But he's like, you know, Gerald has a penis. So I talked to him, but I stay out of the women's business because they'll probably be friends tomorrow.

17:44Ben Mandelker: So I'm not getting into that. Yeah, sort of true, too.

17:49Ronnie Karam: so then what about the allegations that he took a brit on a date and bought her a chain and also slid into kelly's dms and he's like okay well i heard what kelly said but she didn't say the other half but that's all good and she's what was the other half and he's like well uh you know brit was a long time ago before i was running around with porsche and shami is like no what was the other half and kelly's like yeah i'm still waiting and he goes well i'm a gentleman So that's all good. She goes, oh, stop it. Let's be clear. We never did anything or talked on the phone. You might have called once or twice.

18:22Ronnie Karam: And Angela's like, oh, that is talking on the phone. And Andy's like, yeah, you said you never talked on the phone. And she goes, well, once or twice, I mean, like he called me. Like, are you outside? No, I'm inside. You know, stuff like that. And Andy's like, what does that mean?

18:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it basically was like on a business level, they coordinated some things like, oh, I'm here. So then why? That's fine. But then why did you go on camera and act like he crawled into your DMs if like they sell their relationship? Yeah. Kelly's not trustworthy. Yeah. Except your relationship was just coordinating like chafers or something, you know?

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21:58Well Ralph, Drew revealed that she found out about you bringing a woman into the basement and the woman has a manifesto. How do you feel about that? Are you joining her cause? He's like, no, that's not even true. It's not. She's like, really? It's not true? No, it's not true at all. Okay, there never was a woman, but there was a woman. And okay, so she came to the house, but she only came through the gate, but she didn't come into the house. But she came into the house. I mean, she came to the basement, but she wasn't in the house. She was outside, but in the basement and upstairs too. And I brought her around the kids, but I never brought her around the kids.

22:26Stop saying I'm a liar.

22:28Ronnie Karam: And Andy's like, so she was outside with Kelly. It's pretty good. And Ralph's like, no, no, no, it wasn't that. You know, we're working on a fitness program. You know, it's about fitness programs of stepfathers who adopt their stepsons. So call me daddy in the kitchen. Yeah, it was just about that. With the kindergarten. Let me just say this. Let me just say this. If someone wants to twinkle something on the keys. Okay. When these cameras are off, you know, love me, Drew. You know what I'm saying? and you got this on camera, off camera thing and that's really confusing me and at the end of the day, man, I love you and I'm not here to be your enemy.

23:02I just want to make sure we raise beautiful kids on camera with lots of people. I just don't understand why every time

23:08Ronnie Karam: I just try to be a good person and then Drew drags me out here to make me look like a liar or a bad person. It's just me, Ralph, who only wants to be good. Good to women, good to families. Me, Ralph, the good one. I'll make love to you. like you want me to. I'll be by your side. I'll write you a manifesto. Come on, Drew, take me back.

23:37Ronnie Karam: So Shamia's like, well, we were mad at you before you came out. And Andy's like, yeah, we saw you feeding Drew steak. And he's like, well, that's how we are when there's no cameras. You know, that's how we are. We're just happy. You know, I got choo-choo steak into our mouth. You know, I hashtag things daddy. That's just how it is. Drew's like, I mean, those are great words and I appreciate it, but I would also love it if you could back up those words because the energy that I have because of the press tour that you've been on, that's where my energy is coming from because you've been tweeting things about my mom and my dad and even my cousin Michael Jordan.

24:08There's not been an apology. And Ralph's like, yeah, but you hugged me. You hugged me, which shows that you're not really mad about the fact that I said your mom needs to keep her mouth shut. And Andy's like, but do you want to maybe apologize? Have you apologized? Are you going to apologize? He's like, no, I mean, I will. I mean, I was there. Look, I was there when they were in a place where they lost everything. And I was like, I was there to pick up the pieces. And as I always told my children, when someone loses everything, you go on to Twitter and you say, shut your fucking mouth about you complaining about me because I helped you.

24:38That's what the noble thing is to do.

24:41Ronnie Karam: And Cynthia's like, well, I would like to add, Ralph, be mindful of what you put on social media because it brings everybody else into it. So I would just say that. Countertops. Hashtag call me countertops.

24:54Ben Mandelker: she's really bringing some like big fortune cookie cookie energy be careful what you say because it may come around it cracks me up every time they cut to cynthia they're like cynthia

25:04Ronnie Karam: please just sit there and nod your head and say wise things every once in a while she's like okay

25:08Ben Mandelker: got it got it i got yes so ralph is ralph is basically like well i used to have a beautiful relationship with with drew's mom and i want to get back to there and i will apologize i will okay it was the easiest thing to how about just don't see it in the first place so now we move

25:23Ronnie Karam: to charles so how does he think angela did and he's like you know she did great she cried a couple of times but just you know like i said honey you know you jumped in the pool you got to know how to swim and he's like okay well there it looks like you hate your wife on tv so what's that about you look like you hate her fucking guts what's that about

25:46Ben Mandelker: yeah and he's like well you know i'm her husband and i you know i give her back and you know i have her back through thick and thin but i'm just like not i'm not someone who like really likes to

25:56Ronnie Karam: show that shit like whatever you know and so and he's like well people didn't know you were married so what's up with that are you hiding your wife and he's like no i don't hide my wife i don't know i don't know who's married either i hear it all the time so you don't hide her but you don't tell anybody that you're married is that what you're saying and he's like well a lot of people they don't know me but they you know you know show me i just met for the first time on the show but she said she was at uh dominique wedding and i was there and she goes to me is like well i've met you several times he goes where she goes well you might not know me i mean obviously you're a legend but you know you're at neke's wedding and he goes but you didn't meet me i was there

26:34Ben Mandelker: but that's not meeting me he kept saying this to everyone i love that his energy was like just like who are you people he's like why are we why are you talking to me right now i'm just here because my wife asked me to i don't need this bullshit please stop trying to come for me because i i can destroy all of you and i don't need any of you and i really don't care what you say about me

26:55Ronnie Karam: i think it's annoying that he's like no you don't really know me so what you met me that doesn't mean you know me she said she met you she doesn't said she know you like why are you acting like it's like it's this huge thing to have met you before he's like you've never met me how dare you

27:10Ben Mandelker: because he's probably dealt with like a lot of fakers who are like oh my god like you know you meet someone once and they're like oh my god i'm i'm totally friends with charles oakley and he's like i don't know you but in this case it was that what was actually funny is that he was actually wrong because they show pictures of him like pictures of him and shimmy like they at a wedding so they definitely did meet or him and gerald right yeah well no there's but uh well i think shimmy was in one of the pictures i think but either way i did like i just liked how flummoxed they were by him because it's like the like they're trying to be like well we know each other and he's just like we were in the we were in a room together but we didn't actually they like didn't know how to deal with it and they were all kind of like stumbling like but but but but but we know you it's like no i don't remember you so angela's like uh i'm assuming it's like well i

27:58Ronnie Karam: met you at my party and i met your husband you know mba at the game and i said hey but i never said something like, I met you, but I don't know you, or something like that. She goes, but I wasn't digging at you. And Angela's like, well, I felt like it was a dig because you said all these years I knew Charles, I never knew he had a wife. So I'm like, how could you know he's married if he doesn't know you? And Shamia's like, but I have met him. And she goes, okay, but you don't know him. And she's like, okay. So Andy says, Charles, do you remember meeting Phaedra? And he's like, no. And so Phaedra, he's at, Phaedra's asked where they met.

28:31Ronnie Karam: And she's like well i mean i've i've been in several rooms with him he's like okay so one of those rooms could have been the bathroom what do i know i don't know her i do not know this person she's

28:40Ben Mandelker: like not in the same bathroom so um so charles was like i don't know i don't care so phater's like well i know sheree very well and i remember when y 'all were a couple at one point which somehow i actually didn't know that by the way and he's like yeah he's like okay we were a couple it doesn't mean you know me though i mean me and sheree were a couple and pidge was like i know you were a couple she goes well why do people say they know us personally because i know sheree she's like what i'm saying is i have been in your presence on numerous occasions he's like where with sheree so so it's like why is the conversation whether i'm married or not like

29:18Ronnie Karam: everyone here wants to know about me well what about you all i'm only husband here where y 'all's husbands at where y 'all husbands that was great i mean actually it got away from

29:28Ben Mandelker: the point which was that like okay phaedra may have met charles or may have known about charles but she did go on camera acting like she goes way back with charles and never and he never talks about having a wife and like they all kind of like spoke like they had more proximity to him than they really do and so that's why he's like what's wrong with you people well i think a lot of what they're

29:47Ronnie Karam: saying because even angela when she angela and charles right now when they talk about their marriage which is coming up but when they i think everybody's saying like this charles is cheating and doing all sorts of stuff around town like and then you you meet angela and she's like bragging that she's his wife or whatever and you're like oh charles oakley like i've been around charles oakley and nobody like if someone says i've been around this person and you would never know they have a wife that insinuates that that person's been like in the streets right which i think was the insinuation, which is what he's getting at.

30:19Ronnie Karam: He's like, so what is this conversation? But no one's going to say because he's too famous, I think. No one's going to say, well, you've clearly been cheating on her over and over again for years, sir. That's why we're saying it. What are you not understanding? It's not about trying to pretend that we're your best friends. We're saying Angela's acting like she has this happy marriage when her husband's blatantly cheating on her for all of these years in public. Right?

30:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And he's too famous and he also clearly doesn't want to play any games. So they're like a little like they're sort of like don't know how to approach him which is i think i think that's the articulation of of why i was amused because they didn't like they know how they can do it

30:53Ronnie Karam: they didn't have the guts to do it they had the guts to insinuate it but when it came down to it they're like i'm saying nothing okay thank you but and you know what i thought was genuinely funny

31:01Ben Mandelker: it was when charles was like where's where are all your husbands and porosha's like i actually generally don't know where my husband is.

31:11Ben Mandelker: So then Andy asks about Sheree and I guess they did it back in 2005, like a long time ago. So it was pre-Sheree even on Bravo.

31:22Ronnie Karam: And Sheree's not desperate and doesn't pretend like she's still with my husband like other people. And Andy's like, okay, well, you know, a lot of people talking about the outside baby. Let's talk about outside babies. And he's like, where else do you have babies? I mean, if you had a baby and it stayed inside, it would never grow up. And if it did grow up, it would kill the mother because you can't hold an adult in your stomach.

31:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah. You know what? All this talk about babies. Where's everyone's babies? Okay, Charles. So then he says, he's just asking where things are. That's what he's going to do from now on. He says that Wendy Williams had a cook-off for charity because this is Charles' thing. He cooks. He's like, wait, I can cook for 400 people? I'm in. So then Angela, he sort of retreads the whole story how Angela talked to Wendy and then Wendy misinterpreted and brought it to her show and made it a whole big thing and turned the whole story around and then Angela is saying like, you know, like, yeah, Charles has a side baby and the story's out there and by the way, Charles, tell them about the time Wendy invited you over for dinner and he's like, oh yeah, she was like you want to come over, have some wine but she had a cat and I was allergic to cats so I couldn't go, that's the

32:32Ronnie Karam: story and Angela's like wait so if she had it she didn't have a cat you would have went and he's like well I'm I drink wine so and she's like but you're saying you would have gone on a date and he goes well I would have had a glass of wine and is that a date is that a date and he's like um I mean I don't know and he's like I said I would have a glass of wine and she goes but that's a date because okay then whatever you want to call it she goes oh god well Angela you brought up the story. You brought it up.

33:01Ben Mandelker: Why is she bringing up a story that she's like, oh, tell him that good story. And she's acting like she's never heard it before.

33:08Ronnie Karam: I think it keeps backfiring. I think she wanted him to be like, yeah, she's coming after me like I had all these side babies, but then she's trying to date me. But then it turns into like, I would have gone.

33:19Ben Mandelker: So then Andy asks about Mass Square Garden and they talk about how that, you know, Charles talks about how he was really frustrated with that. And they say it was a strain on the relationship but then they started therapy and it's been really helpful and he's just like really happy that angela stayed strong with him and then shimia was interesting i thought because the way

33:40Ronnie Karam: they phrased it she said okay he got kicked out of madison square garden and this is a man with a gigantic ego and i think he started with all these other women you know there were all these other women because he needed to feed his ego basically so she's like so i was out of there which kind of goes back to lending the things that the other ladies were saying it lends it credence right so then Sharia tries to be funny and she's like well so just to be clear you would take Wendy Williams for a

34:10Ben Mandelker: glass of wine not Wendy the therapist and they put this poor therapist up on screen like can you not make this lady the butt of a joke when she's here just trying to help you two people like you know figure out their emotional states like justice for Wendy the therapist I like that Charles

34:24Ronnie Karam: didn't get it at all and he goes no they're two different people he really did not get it like you think i'm going to wendy williams for fucking therapy really

34:35Ben Mandelker: he's like but wendy the therapist does have a cat in case you didn't see your photo

34:39Ronnie Karam: in case it wasn't clear from her photo um so basically they're talking about going to therapy and how much it helps and so andy's like okay before i let the guys go anyone else want to say or clear up anything else from the season. And Kelly's like, well, I would like to know what my ex-husband told you, Ralph, you know, getting on Ralph for apparently hanging out with this dude. And he's like, well, I mean, you know, the circumstances of your divorce, you know, I mean, it was nothing else to share. She's like, and she goes, I appreciate that. I appreciate it.

35:10Ben Mandelker: What do you appreciate? What did he say? Well, how could that response ever, like, engender appreciation? She's like, and let me just tell you this. I think it's amazing that you Drew that you still have a man and a husband That wants to take care of his children I don't have that just a reminder That I don't have a man in my life I only have these bangles And that's it okay so I'm the real Victim here everyone anyone want to pay attention

35:34Ronnie Karam: To me yeah Kelly's like I may not Have a lot in this reunion but I do Have the worst divorce of the season Can we cement that thank you

35:42Ben Mandelker: Yes can we lock that in Please

35:46Ronnie Karam: um so ralph putting my kelly bangle makes it through a reunion um by looking like the best guy up there so thanks a lot ladies ralph's a piece of crap okay i don't know i thought charles

35:57Ben Mandelker: came off the best i thought charles came off better than ralph did yeah but i mean they're

36:02Ronnie Karam: making they're making ralph seem like a fucking hero after all of this charles it was just weird

36:06Ben Mandelker: it was weird that the women were kind of like nice to ralph they were like well thank you

36:12Ronnie Karam: Thanks for saying that. So, okay, bye, guys. Get out of here. So now we're backstage and just like some wacky backstage stuff. Shamia passes Charles and she goes, you know me, right? And he goes, now I do. Like, not amused. And then we go back to the reunion and we're back. And by talking about your time, I am... And Drew's like, well, you know, for me, most definitely, like, the thing that made me happy being in a better place with Portia, because I think today we hurt each other, but, like, and we found our way back to some apologies and some healing, and so I appreciate the accountability and the grace that we're extending to one another, and if I ever were to write a manifesto, it would be about my love for Portia.

36:59Thank you very much, America.

37:00Ronnie Karam: And Kelly's like, well, you know, we, this group of girls, I mean, we're just going through a journey, and I really hope and pray for Shamia and P, because you know i had a friendship like this with brit and you're you were friends with brit for five minutes can we not yeah she's like i had the other main relationship in this show that went sour this season and as someone on the other side of it i hope you two can make it because i'm still crushed by my best friend of all time brit who i knew for 30 seconds before film don't do as i do let me be an example to everyone here about divorce and friendship i died for for your sins everyone yeah phaedra had the best two weeks ever she had the best trip she's ever had so they all cheer for that and then uh angela's turn and uh angela is you know she really is grateful for her Phangela's and she just was grateful she got to shoot with her mom because that's a cool thing to always have and yeah that was nice Cynthia give us some guidance Cynthia she's like well I just I didn't know what I was expecting to come back but it has been great nodding a lot and I want to say

38:19Ben Mandelker: uh shout out to all the Phanthias or should I call them Cynthia Ann's uh Cynthia Ann Army Rise Up Thanks so much, everyone.

38:31Ronnie Karam: So Shamia is like, well, I was so open with my feelings. And I hope that moving forward, you will all go to my Instagram to watch an apology video that has tinkly piano music on it. And he's like, okay, Portia, you've got 20 minutes for your final monologue. And she gets it. I've had rough seasons on this show before, but none this transformative. I mean, honestly, to be able to sit and watch yourself not be at your best. I don't blame anyone but me, but mainly Shamia, too. And honestly, I don't even blame myself. I pretty much blame Shamia. But I have to say, as a woman sitting up here with other divorcees, and I think arguably having the worst divorce of the season, we can all agree.

39:12Sorry, Kelly. I just have to say thank God that I'm sitting here with my right mind. And you know, to Shamia, I really hate the way the season went. I hate that you got so swallowed up by fame that you became awful. I continue to love you and your daycare stealing mother. I continue to cheer for you. Maybe not your mother's daycare, but I cheer for you. So I put a button on that by saying I love everybody that are on these couches, except for Shamia. Yeah.

39:39Ronnie Karam: She goes, oh, and also I brought a fan so we can teach Andy to fan dance. And so they do like a line dance with Andy and that's it. And then Andy twerks, which. Yeah. I don't know that anybody needed that, but wow. What a season.

39:54Ben Mandelker: Some real boots on the ground. Yeah, this. Yeah, it's over.

40:01Ronnie Karam: It's over. It's over, everybody.

40:04Ben Mandelker: We did it. I think looking back now, we realize this actually could have just been one supersized reunion. One episode, one supersized episode. And we could have been in and out. But it's done. And, you know, I'm looking forward to next season. I think that they put some good building blocks in there. And I think we're going to, I think, I think we're just, you know, these it's re it's a re rebuilding season for, for Atlanta. It's like our favorite sports teams. Sometimes you have a championship team and sometimes you just have a rebuilding season. That's where we are looking forward to seeing what happens next time around.

40:40Ronnie Karam: All right, everybody. Thanks for being with us. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

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