#2955 RHOC S19E04: Jo Way Out

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1:23Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hello, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How are you? Good. Everybody, welcome to the show. It is Real Housewives of Orange County Day. Very excited to be here. Watch Tamara get her ass handed to her again. Jen's doing a great job. Great job. She just came back with a lot of piss and vinegar. She ain't taking nothing from no one. Yeah, that's for sure. That's happening. And also, if you want this on video, come over to our Patreon. You want to see my big bruised purple eye? It won't heal? Come over and look at it. It's great. Don't worry. It's not gooey or oozy or anything.

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2:05Ronnie Karam: But we're over on Crappens On Demand on Patreon. If you want those for free a week later, you can get them for free on YouTube. Okay? We're gavers like that. Also, our bonus episode this week was our trip to Vegas. I went to see Beyonce. We both went to the Backstreet Boys. And we both bitched about the hotels and the airlines. So as is our right. Yes. Our old Cogity bitching about the service. So go over there and check that out. That was super fun. And next week we will be doing a crappy. No, next week's not crappy. Our next week is our Amazon live on Monday, Monday afternoon at 4 p.m. Pacific time.

2:45Ronnie Karam: Our link will be in our bio on Instagram. So check that out. That has been really fun for us to do. So check that out Monday at 4 p.m. Also, next week is our Dwell Hello Day. Those are our Wondery Plus exclusives that we do recapping house hunters. Next week, we are recapping a new episode, which is rare for us. We usually do oldies, but there's one called like a cougar and a den for her little boy or something creepy. And everybody's talking about it. So we will be recapping that next week on Wondery Plus. So lots of stuff. Thanks for being here. We love you guys. Let's get on to Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19.

3:23episode four judge jury and jen yeah you know um ahead of this season there was a lot of

3:33Ben Mandelker: chatter a lot of discussion about well mainly from the source itself tamra was like quit the show when they were in new orleans right something like she left she left she couldn't take it anymore She quit.

3:49Ronnie Karam: I quit business.

3:50Ben Mandelker: She quit, bitch. You'll never see me again. That's my opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, I think at the time, I mean, she said a lot of things, which I didn't listen to. But like, I think we all assumed, okay, she was stressed about Teddy, etc. Which is obviously probably still a major factor. But it's also clear that her shit is just not working anymore. Jen just does not fall for it. Jen has Tamara's number on this episode and Gretchen has Tamara's number. There's two people that are just seeing through her and Tamara's manipulations are falling flat and she's losing her power and she just can't deal.

4:29Ben Mandelker: So, of course, she left the New Orleans trip because Bravo has lined up basically two nuclear weapons against her. Two nuclear kryptonite poison, toxic, whatever it is.

4:40Ronnie Karam: Two and a half, because you've got Katie's husband as well, who is not standing for one ounce of shit from Tamara or Ryan, which is actually pretty good. Now, normally, I don't love when the husband's getting the mix, but I think he did it in a very calm and collected way and just handed her ass to her very calmly and walked off. And I think that's allowed.

5:02Ben Mandelker: Yes. And also, by the way, shout out to our friend Kiki, who managed to be drawn into the mess of this show. So like that is the dream. So great, great work, Kiki. Yeah, I was proud of her.

5:15Ronnie Karam: It's like, you go, you go, Kiki. So we are still at Heather's terrible birthday party thrown in a televangelist compound.

5:25Ben Mandelker: With an all brown theme. And the chyron, as soon as we enter, says Heather Dubrow's birthday party. And underneath it said, secondary observance.

5:40Ronnie Karam: So, yes, we're here with Evil-Eyed Heather, and Shannon has just lost her mind at Katie. What? You are the worst person. You are worse than Alexis Bellino. Katie Janela, you illegally filmed me. Illegal? Illegal?

6:01Ben Mandelker: It's illegal. I am through. We are done. We are done. I am walking right out of here. Oh, are those canapes? Well, I mean, I may just stop just to see what they've served. I mean, if Heather paid for all this, it'd be terrible if no one even sampled the goods. Okay, I'll be right over here.

6:16Ronnie Karam: Can I take two? What do you mean I can't take two? You are the most, you are more evil than Alexis Bolino. And there is articles we talked about in Crappy Hour that were coming out this week saying after this episode, Shannon had to be sat down by production for abusing the production staff. everywhere here shannon just came back because you know timeline wise this was right after love hotel and so love hotel is when joel kim booster did his whole tirade online against shannon and so she came back and i guess she's just keeping it going by just being abusive to everybody left and right so she's key when no one shannon has uh that evil ponytail that she's coming for somebody i would just hide in the bathroom if i saw her coming with that ponytail

7:02Ben Mandelker: hide yeah that's she means business so Katie's like well I'm getting the blame for everything so I'm gonna leave so she gets Matt well Matt's eating and she's like this is just a waste of a good dress so there meanwhile she's her

7:17Ronnie Karam: cheersing with hot dogs and Heather does this whole like oh cheers I love a good hot dog and then she smiles and tears right into the camera this wacky fun

7:26Ben Mandelker: Heather she starts eating her hot dog like a corn on the cob because she has no idea what the sort of food is. She's like, look at me, a lady of the people. It's like, Heather, that's not how you eat a hot dog. Of course it is. I studied this at Syracuse Acting School.

7:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so she goes up to Katie and she's like, Katie, let's discuss this another time when I'm not getting good hot dog will from the audience. All right.

7:52Ben Mandelker: This is what they call a ballpark wiener, and it's what people eat at games of balls of bass.

7:59Ronnie Karam: so Gina's like I genuinely like Katie but like it's hard for us to be on the outs because like I feel bad like I want to hear her out and see if it's like repairable

8:13Ben Mandelker: she literally says it I feel bad when she's the one who gets the ball rolling on all of this shit so Katie's like you know tells Matt what Shannon said and Matt's like well it's stupid and it's not true, so just let her have her thing. So Katie feels bad because she knows that Shannon was trying to help her and then she hurt Shannon and she feels really bad about that.

8:38Ronnie Karam: So they're walking out now. So then we see a car and it's Tamara and a secret guest. Who could it be? She's like, thanks so much for coming with me. It is a hard path. So I'm just so nervous. I don't want to be around Ryan. It's just scary. Oh, and I know you must be nervous too because it's been decades for you. decades and we see it's joe and joe has not only found a ride with tamra she's found jesus thank god jesus is here gretchen and joe have brought jesus back to our televisions right in time for

9:13Ben Mandelker: the trump era i at first when it was joe for some reason i mentally thought it was lizzie and i was like oh that's a surprise i was like wait no that's joe and they don't even really look alike but like my mind was like inserted Lizzie in there at first. I love Tamara who is so angry that Katie would allegedly would like have some sort of like interference with like Bravo, babe or something like have a sympathetic phone call because Bravo, babe says that Tamara is like planting bad stories, whatever. Like that, that's like, that's Katie's biggest infraction is that she spoke to content creators.

9:48Ben Mandelker: while meanwhile Tamara is the content creator and she's bringing like someone's like ex like Tamara's being actively messy and then is acting like what Katie did is the worst thing that ever happened to this cast

10:00Ronnie Karam: and she's like well Heather said it was okay if I could bring Joe she said oh Joe yeah bring Joe and if Gretchen's upset about it that's Gretchen's problem and then in the car Tamara's like can we just pray please let's pray And Joe's like, let's pray. That's me, Joe. Prayer. I don't know if anybody remembers me. I've become a big prayer since back then. So, dear God, I pray that our relationships can be mended, Lord. And that is my last line of the evening.

10:31Ben Mandelker: Thank you, Jesus. Dear Jesus, you found me at a low point in my life when I was just sitting on counters in 2005 in Cota de Casa, waiting for Slade to come home. And I would just bounce around the kitchen.

10:44Ronnie Karam: opening and closing cabinet doors just remember when that's how they displayed that's how they portrayed how bored joe was joe's like i don't know if i can just sit here all day and then they have a long shot of her just opening a cabinet door and closing it and that was in the pilot of

10:58Ben Mandelker: this show because we re-watched it about a year ago and it was just that it was like filmed on like a fisher price camera as joe opening cabinets and closing them to like okay do you send me to show that you're lonely uh should i open up the cabinet yes yes yes do more of that so they pray and choir music is playing um and then uh we go back inside the ladies are talking

11:22Ronnie Karam: and jen's like so slate you haven't been around tamarai um or conditioner any any time recently and uh slate's like i don't talk now but i'm just gonna shake my head and gretchen's like have you met slate i have to keep him away from her you will eat her alive and so Tamara I'm steaming mad so Tamara sees Katie leaving outside and she's like oh wait you guys are leaving Katie, Katie come back Katie Matt's like do not talk to her

11:56Ben Mandelker: she's like I don't want to talk about it she's like oh I just want to make sure you're okay come on don't you want to go back to the party so I can humiliate you I didn't get my chance yet Matt's like oh please you started this now you want to pretend like you care Ha ha yell her at me yell her so she's like that's my fault That's just gonna abuse my man abuse please So it's my fault that I'm hot and that you recorded Shannon Katie's like you brought it up at my lunch where I was trying to move forward with these ladies

12:26Ronnie Karam: And then Tamara's just smiling in the confessional that evil little Satan smile She's like oops I thought that Gina I knew about that I thought it was a conflict we had last year Guess not

12:39Ben Mandelker: Katie's like She has blood on her hands If she was so concerned Why hold on to that information for a year And Tamara's like

12:47Ronnie Karam: Well you got caught in something against your fault She goes yeah but I owned it Tamara I already owned it She goes I've done nothing but be nice to you And be supportive of you And she goes you called me a Cup fitness last year I've never called you names Too soon

13:02Ben Mandelker: Do you know what it's like to close the doors on your what floor gym too soon don't say cat fitness

13:10Ronnie Karam: I've never called you names and you called me the C word she goes oh yeah you just called bloggers you don't call names you call bloggers Tamara

13:21Ben Mandelker: I don't know how many more times I have to make this point but I will make it over and over again you are the blogger you have a podcast you're so mad at people planting stories you plant your own stories and your own podcasts and put them out there for the world.

13:36Ronnie Karam: So inside, Shannon has yelled at somebody. And so now she's doing the second part of her job, which is wackily eating food. She's like, what is this? What is this, a buffet? I'm just allowed to eat anything here. Is this a spring roll? Why don't they call these winter rolls? Try to get it in my mouth.

13:56Ben Mandelker: Look at me. I'm wearing a chafer, a chafer lid on top of my head. No one bang it like Kelly Dodd. oh no someone just died who banged it who did that that was not nice i actually i was doing a bit

14:08Ronnie Karam: i was doing a bit so tamra comes and she's like i made it

14:24Ronnie Karam: and emily's like oh let me get my popcorn oh so her and gene are like making a big scene out of like, oh, we're eating popcorn.

14:33Ben Mandelker: We're hilarious. Emily did very little this episode, and she drove me nuts every time she showed up on screen and talked. She's just like, you're at an amusement park, and you're tired, and you're finally sitting down to have some shitty burger, and then she sits down next to you at the next table and is loud and annoying and then leaves all her garbage on the table for someone else to clean up. She's just like an annoying person at an amusement park who's walking slowly while you're just trying to get to the roller coaster. I can't deal with her anymore.

14:59Ronnie Karam: But I'm glad she found another food prop. So it's actually pretty impressive that she can do that every single time. So Gretchen is like, oh, really? Showing up with Slade's ex show? She's not moving forward with me. She's trying to poke, poke, poke at me. Poke, poke, poke. Hey, by the way, stop poking on me, Slade. Jesus, get that poke away from me.

15:21Ben Mandelker: Why can't everyone just get along after I make everyone mad at each other? I don't care about none of this bullshit, but it's entertaining, okay? Because, like, you know what? Like, I feel bad.

15:36Ronnie Karam: And Gina's like, I mean, and just right after saying, why can't everyone get along? Can't we just be nice? Gina goes, I mean, Gretchen looks like a fake person. Like, look at her. And Emily's like, yo, she dips herself in formaldehyde every night. Yeah, she looks like an Instagram filter from 2003. She looks like a Barbie filter from 2003. and they start cracking up. First of all, you guys are dicks. And second of all, Emily, you're talking about your dips of face in formaldehyde? Are you fucking kidding me? You look like you're going 80 ,000 miles an hour downhill without a helmet on. What are you talking about?

16:13Ben Mandelker: You look like you're trying to escape a phlobie that's trying to consume your entire body.

16:17Ronnie Karam: You can't even close one of your eyes. You've had different faces every single season. What the fuck are you talking about, new hip?

16:25Ben Mandelker: we sat through and were empathetic towards an entire storyline about how you had to wear larger jeans than everyone else because it made you feel conscious about how the way you look and now you're sitting here you're just being so shitty right now I mean it's one thing for like us podcasters to do it but this is actually supposed to be your girlfriend on TV no you guys suck

16:52Ronnie Karam: and you've made me stand up for Gretchen of all people. How dare you? How dare you? So then we go to Wacky Terry, who's stoned, and he's like, hey, babe, I was just congratulating Ryan that his name isn't Natalia, because then Jen's name when they got married would be Jen Italia.

17:16Ben Mandelker: That is very funny. That is very funny. I think that we should pitch this to NBC Universal to get a spinoff on the HG network. it still is out there

17:26Ronnie Karam: what was their TV show that Heather and Terry had for one second that pilot well they had a pilot it didn't get picked up what was it remember she had a big party

17:35Ben Mandelker: yes

17:36Ronnie Karam: it was it was like two years ago we already forgot about it

17:40Ben Mandelker: it wasn't the HGN

17:41Ronnie Karam: advice with Heather and Terry I forget what it was

17:46Ben Mandelker: this is how we've been through it all we're a couple we will give you advice because when there's cracks, we're going to uncrack the cracked marriage or something like that.

17:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, they were giving marriage advice. Let me see. They had a pilot for a show called The Seven Year Stitch. That's right. That's what it was.

18:07Ben Mandelker: I think crack, stitch, I don't know why.

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18:16Ben Mandelker: Okay, the first makeover. You want to make sure that you look better than the people who are walking into your service entrance. Because if you look like the servants, your man will probably lose interest in you. Step one. Look back.

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20:56Ronnie Karam: So then we go to the girls. Tamara comes up to the girls and says, You guys, I just got a text. A text about Katie outside. Drive me blood on me. Get the blood off of me. I got a text.

21:12Ben Mandelker: and terry's like gretchen can't change the things can't things be better with an apology and gretchen's like um she just walked in with slate's ex look how she's still being petty jen's like they went through something then and tamra went hard and she showed up in an fbi hat when stuff was hard with ryan and she does things and we all have to be sensitive all of a sudden i don't think so homie don't play that and heather's like i don't get that reference But I don't throw people away because they're damaged. Only if they're poor and refuse to work for me.

21:45Ronnie Karam: But when do we just say, like, look in the mirror. Work on it, Tamara. Look in the mirror and work on you. Okay, okay. But she is. She is working on herself. But you're just too angry to see it. I'm not faulting you. But you can't see it. Possibly. Do you have any money in your account? Hold it up to your face and maybe you can see better. Because right now you're seeing like a poor person. You're seeing poorly. You have poor vision. Do you understand?

22:11Ben Mandelker: And just to follow up on your question of when do we say look in the mirror and work on it? I do that every day to my maid. Look at that spot. Work on that.

22:21Ronnie Karam: Tamara had a life event. Give her a hot second. Just give her a hot second. That's me. You know, good old Heather. Just trying to look out for everybody's feelings. By the way, fuck that lady who abandoned her children. I hope she's gone from my party.

22:37Ben Mandelker: sensitive so emily emily's swinging around licorice because she's emily does that that thing where she thinks she's so funny when she's like i think she almost thinks she's like a lady of the people she's like oh look look at me greek horse swinging around my licorice look at all this fancy shit i'm like go back to your amusement park please so then emily's like give me a diet coke gaston diet coke i'm like she just mortifies me why is she on bravo yeah she's terrible so then

23:06Ronnie Karam: Gretchen basically stymies Tamara's whole plan by coming right up to Joan going, hi, Joan, nice to see you, and giving her a kiss, and she's like, oh my god, Gretchen, hi, how have you been? Sorry, but that's already over, so Tamara lost that one, and then Jen takes Tamara to talk, and Tamara's like, or she comes to talk to her a little bit, and Tamara's like, well, we've already talked, but she can say what she wants. Like, why does your boyfriend keep going after me on social media? attacking me.

23:35Ben Mandelker: It's like, Tamara, again, I know this is getting annoying, but you can't complain about a boyfriend coming after you on social media when you have a podcast and you go after people on your podcast. Including her and her boyfriend.

23:48Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, people are allowed to respond to you, Tamara. But this is amazing, watching Tamara lose just issue after issue today. I mean, she's already... This is only the first five minutes she got her asshole handed to her by matt and with just one very innocent little line uh then she got her asshole handed to her by katie as well then she walks in here with joe nobody cares gretchen makes up with her i mean it's just one right after the other we've had three and it's not even five minutes yet

24:18Ben Mandelker: and like the fact that jen is going to be the one that really finishes her when jen for two seasons was just such a sweet nice pushover like her whole jen's whole thing was that like she's so gullible and you're like come on Jen wake up and then like last season at the end like they she had her Neo moment she saw the Matrix and she started doing like the slow motion Kung Fu and now it's like watch out Tamara she is activated

24:42Ronnie Karam: I want to go see that have you heard the Matrix is at that new place the dome or what's it called it's like the it's kind of like the sphere but it's a movie theater in LA really in like Inglewood

24:54Ben Mandelker: I think Inglewood and they're playing the Matrix you know I love yeah they made it like a big

24:58Ronnie Karam: They made like a big dome of some kind of an event space. I'll go with you. Do you want to go to the Matrix?

25:05Ben Mandelker: Let's go. I love the Matrix. Oh, you do? I loved it, too.

25:08Ronnie Karam: I mean, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I loved it as a kid. Oh, my God. I'm obsessed. Okay. So, anyway, Gretchen's like, I'm going to be nice to Joe because it's not about Joe. It's getting rusty, Tamara. It's getting rusty. So, then Heather gets a speech. There's a lot of sparklers going on. and Heather's like, okay. Yes, sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead.

25:32Ben Mandelker: No, I was going to say, because Heather's like, hello, everyone. Welcome to my birthday party presented by the memory of Richard Marks, who sadly is still trapped in a closet in my basement. We couldn't find the key. So she's giving like her own little spiel to welcome everyone. And the staff comes out with the sparklers prematurely. And she's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, it's some premature ejaculation. Ha, ha, ha, ha. you know, after this event was done, she walked back. There was like, who was the one who decided to walk out first? You get over here. Get over here. You think you're clever.

26:07Ben Mandelker: You think you're smart. How many plates do you have at Nobu? You will never. If you think you can do this to me, if you ever mess with me and my birthday celebration ever again, it will cost you a lot. And I am not just saying that that is a threat.

26:20Ronnie Karam: Poor Alfredo walked out of there with his hair on fire. Now we'll see who's sparkling early.

26:31Ronnie Karam: So she's like, well, you know, I would like to welcome you all to my birthday party. Premature ejaculation. You have just seen me not fire somebody. I just wanted to say I appreciate all of you. You are all my favorite things. If Oprah ever told me to look under my seat, I would find you. I know, Oprah.

26:53Ben Mandelker: Thank you. Now, all of you assembled here, I want you to look to your right and look up and you will see I have attached a nice little picture of Drake in the upper right corner of this room. And now you know what it's like to live in my house just to see Drake out there. Hi, Drake. Hi, neighbor Drake.

27:08Ronnie Karam: All right. So now they dance and Shannon's like, well, I'm not going to say I drop it like it's hot. I drop it like it's 60.

27:19Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry. I don't know if I understand this reference. Why do we drop? What is the itch that we're dropping? And like, it's hot. Is this a song? Gina's like, well, I can drop it like it's lukewarm. Because like, I'm here for a good time. Not a long time. That was for you, Drake. Because like, I don't want to like, take Advil when I get home. Because otherwise, tomorrow morning I'll wake up and I'll feel bad.

27:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then the next day, we see a close-up of a sign that says, For sale by Gina and Travis.

27:52Ben Mandelker: so Gina's shopping pillows she's this is her HGTV moment she's going to be selling a house and she's like Travis and I crushed in real estate we did like 10 million dollars in business because you had like most of that was Elizabeth Vargas's estate that she gave to you in Palm Springs I'm sure because as far as we can tell you're now selling like a two bedroom house at a retirement community Bravo. Yeah.

28:25Ronnie Karam: It's like, we've made it our own grill. Like, we're rocking and rolling. And so, you know how some real estate people will put out, like, cookies. And some will put out, you know, keychains with their face on them or whatever. We're putting out stress balls because, like, you got to get, you know, it's like a metaphor. Because, like, you got to crush stress balls because, like, it's stressful. but also like our thing on this show is that Travis has big balls. So.

28:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't know if she really thought this one through. It's like, hi, welcome to our house. Before we give you a tour, here's a stress ball to hold on to before you see everything else. It's like, what's going to happen in this house? It's haunted. So if you see a ghost, just squeeze the ball and you'll be okay.

29:13Ronnie Karam: What are you taking my blood pressure?

29:18Ronnie Karam: The retirement home.

29:19Ben Mandelker: What the fuck is this? gotta squeeze the ball what's happening here just go out of the way you can stick a hose up my ass and check my colon too cheese so wrong i can't go to a house without holding a ball i mean enough already enough so meanwhile she's in a new york retirement community apparently

29:41Ronnie Karam: meanwhile jen and ryan go to a dental dental place and uh the nurse lady is like oh doctor They love their uppers so much they want to do their lowers in time for a wedding. They just bring out the judge model. Bring out the judge model. She wants to make sure she has a triangular row of possum teeth in case there are any predators in the crying yard.

30:03Ben Mandelker: Thank you so much. We really just want to hammer teeth. Ryan's like, yeah, we're addicted to our teeth now, which sounds kind of fucked up if you think about it. So Jen's talking about her like, you know, it's like, what's the OC MILF list is boobs, tummy tuck, G-wagon, and veneers. him so this guy this dentist comes out who is just like he's like in a brown shirt with like a random uh bow tie like i think he was like trying to look like a certain sort of way for the camera and it just was he looked like he should have been selling like popcorn somewhere

30:34Ronnie Karam: yeah he was very like the the backstory to orville for sure but um he comes in and he lets them try on their lowers i guess they have to wear them for a week to see if they like them or something so they have like a mold that they put on and then they show a before and after of jen's molar or jen's bottom teeth they're perfect they were perfect before like why does she and then look exactly the same with the veneers i'm confused are they just like are veneers better

31:01Ben Mandelker: because you don't have to take care of the porcelain as much or is it easier i'm not sure i just was really distracted by that hair clip that she'd put in right in front of her lower right tooth just hanging out Tamra's hair just right there. I was like, really, girl?

31:17Ronnie Karam: I just want to get one of Tamra's breast implants put into my teeth. Is that possible?

31:27Ben Mandelker: Single white dentures. So back over at Gina's. Gina's like,

31:31Ronnie Karam: oh, Tamra might stop by. I don't know if she qualifies. So she shows the house and a guy's like, what? What? I'm supposed to squeeze it? Come over here. No, not me. Okay. All right. What is it supposed to be? Where's the lady from the picture? I just want to see the lady from the picture. That's me. No, no, the hot one. That's me. No, no, this one right here. It doesn't look like you. What are you, her mother? Get her out of school. Tell her to come say hi to daddy.

32:02Ben Mandelker: Okay, so I'm just going to ask you to take a seat on this chair here, and I'm just going to lift you up to the second floor. Okay, goodbye. so then my grandma used to have one of those and i loved it and for some reason like we weren't allowed to ever like sit on it and ride it up the staircase i was like but it was the most fun thing ever the few times that we got to sit on it and like ride ride the chair

32:25Ronnie Karam: up the staircase oh it's my dream there was a movie where uh there was a horror movie where one of the ladies had one of those chairs it was like poltergeist or one of those actually i think poltergeist and then she made the chair like fly up the stairs and out the roof never forget that and i think it was i love a slapstick haunt alice yeah i think it was like the lady who played flow on alice who was the one stuck in that chair and they just like

32:52Ben Mandelker: yeah oh yeah it went around like a circular staircase right yeah it was a famous scene it was like yeah maybe it's poltergeist i only saw i only saw the first poltergeist oh my god there's

33:06Ben Mandelker: there's a spider crawling around my camera get out of here

33:09Ronnie Karam: I have them everywhere in this place they're just crawling everywhere fucking California there's spiders everywhere speaking of Tamara comes into this scene and says hi everybody it's me I just prayed tell me about you with the state what do you have like a group or something yeah it's good you got a lot of old people I guess I could live here now I'm old enough that would be fun everyone probably got a a uti in here some hey you got herpes what you got over there

33:40Ben Mandelker: where's sandy where's sandy where's my mom no really where is she um so i'm so distracted by this spider get the fuck off my camera it's like i don't want to it's like it's it's not really in a position to be it's like it's a weird it's being very erratic with your hand okay let me try to like let me try to use one you can do it i believe in you no the thing is this okay okay we were doing it i'm trying to brush it off of this that way it can get onto it okay oh now oh it's going crazy it's going crazy i just want to get it to the floor and then i can just go off but like don't get into my podcast and when i'm recording while i'm discussing tamra judge i need this to be a spider-free environment.

34:27Ben Mandelker: So did it escape? Now it's on my desk scurrying about. Hit it. I don't know where it is. Oh, there it is. Okay. Now it's... Oh, God. It went under the recording equipment. Okay. You know what? It's just going to live there. It's fine. Just don't be on my camera. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun.

34:45Ronnie Karam: So Tamara's like, yeah, everybody's got an FCT in here. That spider's walking around with a big dick looking at you to put it in. What's happening, lady?

34:53Ben Mandelker: I feel bad Because that spider didn't even get to have a stress ball

34:59Ronnie Karam: So Gina's like I don't even understand How like you and Katie Like even got into this Please So then we go back to Ryan and Jen And Ryan's like Oh yeah I saw Katie and Shannon had a desktop And Matt said we're leaving And then Tamara made her thirsty entrance God thirsty Tamara And Jen's like well I'm going to meet up with her Because you know everyone says she's going through therapy I just want to see if that helps. Maybe it will. Maybe it will. If it does, I'm going to send a huge bouquet to that doctor and say, thank you. Thank you so much for doing that. Thank you. Thank you so much.

35:33Ben Mandelker: And he's like, well, I hope you're surprised, but you'll probably be disappointed. So then go back to Gina and she's like, you know, I've been trying to communicate to Jen, but she has anger from last year. And Tamara's like, yeah, I'm sorry. That's stupid. My reaction at that party was to Ryan. Even after Eddie said, let's move on, Ryan blasted him on social media. I mean, she's that girl who acts all kind, but she talks shit. When people tell you that they're kind, they're not kind. Okay? So, ha! All you kind people, hey, ever try to have a kind bar? Guess what? They should call it a not kind bar.

36:11Ben Mandelker: Because kind things are not kind. Ha!

36:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's a mean bar. That's what that is. Hey, enjoy your mean bar. It's got lots of sugar in it, stupid. But I love Tamara saying that people who tell you they're kind are lying. Tamara, you spent a whole season trying to convince us that you're Christian now.

36:28Ben Mandelker: She went through it. Like if anyone proved that you just said it's you. You're actively going to therapy now to convince people that you're actually kind, just damaged? She's so foolish.

36:41Ronnie Karam: She goes, oh yeah, she can say stuff to me. But then I did one little thing and I'm the devil. You did not do one little thing. First of all, yes, you were the devil. So then we go back to Ryan and he goes, what did you even do to Tamara? I don't get it. She's like, I don't know, but she's telling everyone I'm obsessed with her. So then we see a clip. Of course, this was all started by Gina. Shocker. So Gina's like, oh, Jen, by the way, like Tamara said, like, you wanted, like, to be Tamara. And like, she said that you like put her in an actual old, you put it in her actual old hair extensions.

37:15Ronnie Karam: Like, I mean, what the heck? We all look the same. and Jen's like, oh my God, why would I want to be a woman like Tamara? I mean, look, Ryan, you said that there's a smidge jealousy there. He goes, yeah, there's jealousy. Have you seen Tamara? It's like a broom looking out. It's like a broom looking out over at a fleet of cars. You know?

37:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah, poor riches. They're like, if only we could make cars levitate too. Why do we get stuck with brooms? This thing doesn't even have a radio.

37:48Ronnie Karam: so cars can be polished and plushed and vacuumed and waxed we're just brooms it's just like waiting for some bony ass to squeeze us into flight we should be sweeping things up not flying across the countryside jen's like i mean who is the one who asked for an inspo

38:06Ben Mandelker: pic when you were getting a tummy tuck that was you honey and we see a picture of that you know

38:11Ronnie Karam: we have to get that was so funny she's like hey there jen i'm trying to get a belly button put on So I was wondering if I could use your belly button As an inspo pick I love the placement Love the placement of your belly button

38:25Ben Mandelker: Of course So Jen is like We just have to get down to what happened And she has to take ownership She goes you know the lies just escalate Like I'm a stalker I'm obsessed She loves Ryan I mean now he's a cheater And has the FBI chasing him And he steals money Like I just don't get it anymore

38:44Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Heather Who's wacky She's like, I am working with both Josh's from Million Dollar Listing LA, which has now been canceled. But they hired my son, so we're getting them back on TV. It's a cycle. It's a TV star cycle.

39:02Ben Mandelker: There are no better agents than Josh Altman and Flagg. I mean, they had a bit of a falling out, which we all remember from Million Dollar Listing LA, right? We all watch that show. No. Can you roll the flashback? Anyone? Okay. hey, let's see footage of them having a scripted lunch together. Okay.

39:22Ronnie Karam: Not even the people who watch Bravo for a living? Not even you? Okay. No. Okay. Okay. Actually, I tried, you know, because usually I do stick with the million-dollar listing, L.A.s especially, but I just, I was like enough. I used to. Enough. I used to, but I made it halfway through, and I was like, eh.

39:37Ben Mandelker: I think Selling Sunset kind of killed it for me, because after Selling Sunset, million-dollar listing just felt kind of stale, you know? And honestly, I just, I could not get on board with Josh Flagg and Josh Altman. That was just too much. And like, honestly, I still, I just, I don't know. It's just, it's a little taken on so much. It's dead. It's dead. It's dead.

39:58Ronnie Karam: So they, she walks through this house that she gutted and then left for dead because they didn't want to put any more money into it, which I can't really blame them. And they put in floors and already the house is livable. So boom, we're done. Like it changed the whole house.

40:12Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, it looks good. That was really fast, too, by the way. Yeah. She's like, well, it's difficult to put a dime to it when it's a failure. But you have to do the numbers. And I win. I win. I win.

40:28Ronnie Karam: Did you know that Heather was taking, first of all, Heather did like a community theater show or something. And she also took classes at Groundlings. Did you know that? I hope they put that on the air. Because I want to see Heather doing Improv at Groundlings. I have to see it. Okay. Here's a sketch. It's called You're Poor. Okay. So it's this lady. She's gorgeous. And everyone wants to be just like her. And she goes into a store. But everyone there is poor.

40:58Ben Mandelker: Okay. And freeze. No, freeze. You were about to go in the wrong entrance. The service entrance is around the corner.

41:08Ronnie Karam: So, let's see. So they talk about how they put in 45 grand. And they do like a wacky scene. The guys are like, oh, I could sell it better than him. Altman's better than Flagg. Okay, so that was it. So then we go to the next scene, which is Tamara's house.

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44:38Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Tamara's house. So Tamara's going to check in with Sophia. So she's like, Sophia's going to community college right now to get her general ED. And from there, she wants to get, like, I should say general ED. General Edie's. Something Eddie gives me.

44:53Ronnie Karam: I was going to say, what are we doing here? Not another Emily storyline.

44:59Ben Mandelker: She wants to go to the music institute in Los Angeles. She's also an entrepreneur. She buys and sells clothes online. She's actually selling my clothes as well. Isn't she amazing, guys?

45:11Ronnie Karam: Wow, you're selling camera dresses online? Someone save this child. This girl's too smart for this. so Sophia has her dress and she's like oh mom we need to get rid of this one I think Elmo wants his skin back

45:27Ben Mandelker: you're funny do another one oh my god it's like a gaudy funeral mom that's funny do you want to look like a worm you're funny you're really funny she buys her clothes at Goodwill I don't know what that is but she goes to it and she does have a good sense of style like she's helping me like for my age but i'm like not going to goodwill it's not gonna happen

45:53Ronnie Karam: don't have it not going to it so um they want to do a tour of the music institute and sophia doesn't want to because she doesn't want to move out she's like mom i don't want to like spend 30 on eggs okay like and i have a cat like i need a place that accepts pets and she's like um i feel like you're making excuses because you're afraid to go because you'd rather stay here and listen your mom get banged by that guy from Costco in the downstairs apartment.

46:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and she's basically saying, like, I know it's scary, but you got to do it because they basically become, like, codependent and stopping Sophia from living her life. And so then we see two weeks earlier in therapy, Tamara be like, when she decided she was going to L.A., cry, cry, cry. I couldn't even think about it. I would just break out in tears at the thought of not having her there every single day. Ha, ha, sad, ha. I'm sympathetic, America.

46:43Ronnie Karam: And the therapist is like, wow, look at you, but you're going to help her out so much by all of this therapy you're doing. It's pronounced therapy. Don't fuck it up. Therapy. Therapy? Can't even pronounce it wrong. It's the worst actor ever. I never should have let Heather take you from that groundling use class.

47:01Ben Mandelker: You are doing the twerk.

47:03Ronnie Karam: It's called doing the work. Doing the work, not the twerk. yeah therapy gets me tools and it makes me able to get up with things better and that's right now I call the potter and I say you stupid bitch you shouldn't have done that to me I shouldn't express myself yeah

47:22Ben Mandelker: Tamara is getting tools the way I buy tools which is like usually an impulse buy on Amazon and I put them in my closet and then it takes me about three years before I ever use you know what I really need I need to really buy a roto leveler. I'm going to get that right now. It's like, yes, you can have tools, but do you use your tools? That's a whole other question.

47:41Ronnie Karam: I do not. So this whole thing about her leaving, and then she starts crying because she's like, yeah, you know, I had to go to therapy. I've never gone this long before, but you know, my parents got divorced. That was so sad, remember? And then, you know, me and your dad, we're in a bad place. Remember him? Yeah, that's been real bad. Maybe Sydney leaving. Sydney leaving. You need to come up with some new shit. Your parents got divorced. Really? You're going to cry over your Simon divorce when you cheated on that man with someone who worked at his office? No, Tamara. Sorry.

48:16Ben Mandelker: I couldn't even watch The White Lotus season one because there was a girl named Sweeney who was in it. I mean, Sydney. You know what I'm trying to say. It's just flashback to therapy, please. Cry, cry. Okay. It's just so painful to not have your child around you. I can't wrap my brain around it.

48:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know, because I get triggered and stuff. I learned that in therapy that we're triggered. My little thing, which is calling people dumb bitch. And so she talks about Sydney moving out when she was 14 and never coming back. And when Sophia moves out, she's not leaving. But because she was traumatized by Sydney, now she still worries that Sophie is going to leave her. And she's worried that she'll never talk to her again. I don't know, just maybe be less horrible to her. And also stop bringing up the daughter who doesn't want you bringing her up on TV. I mean, that's like a very simple way to not piss her off.

49:09Ben Mandelker: Honestly, at this point, though, I have to say that daughter has to get over it. Sorry. Listen, where do you think your money's coming, young lady? Where do you think your money's coming from? It's from your mom going on the television show. Is it? It's over. You're not a teenager anymore. You can have a relationship with your mom.

49:27Ronnie Karam: When someone's that toxic, I say, cut the cord. Cut the cord.

49:32Ben Mandelker: I felt like it was like very moody teenager. And now it's like, okay, you're in your 20s now. You can probably like, it's time to move on. Because like until she moves on, we have to deal with it. So then we go to Pilates class and Emily and Gretchen are there. And Shannon shows up late and they're like, we do this in Arizona. So then Shannon's like, oh, what? How do I do this? Oh, look at me. I'm losing my balance. This is for those who wanted a sequel to Wacky Shannon eating wacky hors d 'oeuvres. Here's Wacky Shannon doing wacky Pilates. Oh, wow.

50:02Ronnie Karam: Oh, look at me hanging upside down on a rope thing. Whoa. Whoa. Oh, can I have a spring roll while I do this? Is that what they're called? Why don't they call them winter rolls? Wow.

50:17Ben Mandelker: I feel like a winter spring roll right now because I'm wrapped in cloth. I'm so confused. It's kind of like a sexual position. in. Ha! Earl the Pearl wishes.

50:26Ronnie Karam: So they're being wacky and the instructor's like, loosen your grip ladies, slither like a snake. And she goes, oh, that would be Katie. So then we go to a coffee bar where Katie is joining Gina and Heather.

50:40Ben Mandelker: And what sort of trap is this? I don't understand why Gina and Heather are being nice to Katie because Heather hated Katie all of last year and was like the main person who hated Katie. And now this year she's the one who's like trying to later on she says, I just want you to have a win. What is happening? What is the end game here for Heather? There must be a bigger fish to fry that she's angling for. What sort of pawn is she? That's what Heather does.

51:10Ronnie Karam: She shows she'll pretend to be nice to you, listen to you say some stuff, twist it, take it back to Tamara, and watch Tamara tear her limb from limb.

51:18Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, that works. so Katie joins and Gina's like oh my god you like match this place oh my god cause they serve matcha here that's so hilarious for me

51:32Ronnie Karam: so Katie asked him how the rest of the night was and Heather you know has just two eggs two sad eggs well she had like a little salad an avocado salad on the side in a little bowl but I noticed how they eat and I was like this is why whenever you really pay attention to how the super thin ones eat, this is why they're thin. I mean, Katie comes and she's like, I'll have a tea and a cucumber salad. I mean, that's just like a little tiny side of cucumbers, you know?

52:00Ben Mandelker: Tiny. That's all she eats. So Heather's like, can I ask what happened when you guys left my wonderful party? Gina's like, yeah, because Tamar said that your husband yelled at her. And Katie's like, Matt yelled at her. And then we see flashbacks, right? And Katie's like, that's hilarious. And we see Matt going. Absolutely. He's not yelling at her at all. Yeah, going, he literally goes, you started it, you're gonna pretend like you care? Yeah. That was it.

52:30Ronnie Karam: Screaming abuse! So, Katie's like, yeah, Tamara puts out a half-truth, so when you come back and argue, you look like the liar. And then we go back to Pilates, and they're all getting affirmation cards. Oh, God. So, So, um, if you can brand me an affirmation card at Pilates, I will shove it up your ass.

52:49Ben Mandelker: I don't want a card after I've worked out. Gretchen's card had like an image of like three cacti. One was winking at her. One was yawning. And then it said, I forgive myself for past mistakes and failures. Well, thank you to this tribunal of like bored and winky cacti for giving me this affirmation.

53:10Ronnie Karam: You hand me a card after Pilates. It better be a gift certificate. like a gift card to Baskin Robbins or I will fucking murder you with the card. Affirmation card.

53:20Ben Mandelker: Well, Gretchen, have you had a conversation with Tamara Judge? Gretchen's like, no, I don't have this desire to be friends with Tamara Judge. It's like, but if you can have some sort of resolution, don't you want to do that? She's like, well, why would I even set myself up? Because maybe there's a chance that she would surprise you. I mean, Emily, you're the one who's in like a, stupid ass feud with Katie over this nanny situation like the same thing could have been said to you

53:49Ronnie Karam: but I mean Tamara literally just walked in with Joe and they're like well won't you give Tamara another chance

53:57Ben Mandelker: and these infractions are so much worse than anything that Emily is accusing Katie of doing

54:02Ronnie Karam: yes and so Gretchen's like even if she said I'm sorry I still wouldn't believe her because it's been 15 years Jana's like wow there is a repeated history of patterns. I mean, how many times do you have to put yourself in a position to get hurt?

54:18Ben Mandelker: Although, based on this class, apparently it's 25 times. Thanks a lot, instructor. So, Emily's like, well, what about Katie? Well, I said, I said what I needed to say to Katie, and I'm not going to talk to her anymore. I'm not going to open it up again and be stupid. I absolutely will not. Well, speaking of feeling stupid, I was trying to defend Katie, and I went to bed, and I was struggling with that because I really like her a lot. Well, if she videotaped me, I guarantee you she has recorded each and every other of you. She's recorded everything.

54:48Ronnie Karam: So you've seen the clip that's been going around all week of Ireland when Shannon and Heather were recording Kelly having a meltdown in that hallway, right?

54:56Ben Mandelker: Not only did I see that clip when you were on vacation, I think I mentioned it or maybe we even talked. No, no, I think it was before you were here. No, maybe I I don't remember, but we brought it up on it was brought up on this show. Like you're all you guys are all in a tizzy about Katie. But it was Heather Dubrow who videotaped Kelly Dodd in Ireland.

55:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, hypocrites. And of course, the whole I guess people would argue, well, she didn't take it to Alexis. Who cares? They videotaped it to put it on TV. And that was also the episode where they were trying to make her get drunk and look stupid and all this. They're such hypocrites on this show.

55:31Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I agree. So back over the coffee shop, Heather's like, well, I have to ask you another thing, Katie. Did you meet up with Kiki Monique? And Katie's like, yeah, I mean, we had lunch. I mean, I met her when we went to that event in LA. You know, that event? No, I don't. But she was, you know, she's really funny. She's what a hilarious young lady. And I heard you were asking Kiki to put out stories to hurt us. And Katie's like, I did not. Who did you hear that from? Tamara.

56:02Ronnie Karam: of course on her own shocker it's tamra so then two days earlier tamra's saying katie contacted somebody that has a radio show and she's got a podcast and she asked this girl to repeat something that i'm not gonna repeat it is so bad it is so so so bad i'm gonna repeat it

56:27Ben Mandelker: prove it never did i do that never you know i have listened to kiki monique for years i mean it's got to be 10 15 25 years she's been on the radio i listen to her all the time and i thought she was a cool down home journalist and the producer was like well did anything about the other ladies come up no i mean why if i went to lunch with someone who's on radio andy why would we ever talk about bravo okay so are they going to play a clip of

56:56Ronnie Karam: this Kiki Monique show where Kiki has all this inside scoop that she heard from an anonymous source because otherwise, shut up. I mean, I don't doubt she sat there and talked shit with Kiki. Like, her name is Kiki. Of course you talk shit with Kiki. It's literally her name. The instructions are in the name, okay? But Kiki also has relationships with a lot of those people, so I doubt that she's going to be going around getting messy like that.

57:24Ben Mandelker: No, and I think that like all of these real housewives go around and talk to everyone about everyone and uh now they're gonna just make it seem like katie is is like some vile mole or whatever like i don't care i don't care if she did bring up anything i don't care if she said anything to kiki to get her to repeat it the funny it's just it's still so funny to me that they're angrier at katie for allegedly trying to get kiki to say something on the air versus tamra who just does say things on the air yeah so heather

57:56Ronnie Karam: It's like, I mean, look, Katie, no one knows what to believe anymore. Some of us, including myself, we sit back and we say, hmm, what's next?

58:10Ben Mandelker: It's hard to know. Like, are you poor? Are you really poor? I can't even tell anymore. It's so hard. All I know is that when I see you on my ring cam, I hide in one of my very large closets. That's all I know.

58:25Ronnie Karam: poor people are coming for us all so katie is like look i owned all the stuff that i'm being accused of doing because i did them i'm not denying anything but i'm denying this kiki thing this did not happen and she's like i mean it's like a game of telephone everything's twisted and that's not what happened and genuine genuina's like i genuinely like want to want katie to like have a triumphant moment but like the problem is she's only told consistently it's like it's a It's bad. It's bad. It's so bad. It's so bad.

58:59Ben Mandelker: Listen, I've tried to be in your corner, Katie, starting three seconds ago and ending now, but I don't know if I could do this anymore. That was a very tough three seconds. Katie's like, I appreciate that. I mean, I even told Gina that, that I appreciated those three seconds you were in my corner, and I would love, ooh, I would love for you to score just like, what's his name? Bon Leroy? What's my neighbor's name?

59:25Ronnie Karam: Marriott the guy the bonbon person you know the guy who came up with the little ice creams and

59:31Ben Mandelker: the chocolate god I love those I'm so proud of him every time he scores so by the way Heather when since when have you been in Katie's corner and why would you why would you love her to score I swear she has I'm just trying to parse it out because like I know the reason why Tamara's going hard at katie because tamara's going hard at katie because she can tear apart one of shannon's new allies because ultimately it always comes down to tamara versus shannon right so tamara has one on that front she has now shannon doesn't really have anyone on the show at this point she's just sort of like alone she has no she has no buddies 19 and emily they're on team tamra heather's uh it's always up and down with heather and shannon there's no one left for shannon so tamara has won that one But Heather, I'm just, I think, is Heather now going to try to go after Tamra?

1:00:21Ben Mandelker: Because Heather can't go after Tamra on her own. Do you think that's what's happening here? She wants to embolden Katie to go after Tamra?

1:00:26Ronnie Karam: No, she's not being nice to Katie.

1:00:27Ben Mandelker: Or you think it's just that you want to set up Katie for failure?

1:00:30Ronnie Karam: No, she's having a scene with Katie to confront her about the blogger things. She's only being nice for this one scene so she can make Katie look stupid by accusing her of blogger stuff. And now she's going to disappear. I just like to leave the Game of Thrones narrative.

1:00:45Ben Mandelker: I like to make it seem like it's much more exciting than it is.

1:00:48Ronnie Karam: I think that Gina was just like, I'm not going there alone with her, guys. And Emily's like, I'm not going. What are you kidding? I'm cooking an egg in my purse. So Heather's like, I'll do it. I'll add that little snitch for all the bloggery blogger lies. Yeah, she's serving the camera's dirty work.

1:01:07Ben Mandelker: So now we have some clips of things going on around the county. So at Shannon's house, she's with Archie. And she's like, well, I'm going to bring Archie to the beach. But Archie, I'm bringing bread because you're going to get diarrhea. We all know it. So have some healthy bread. You're going to get some nice, delicious Ezekiel bread, just like every dog loves.

1:01:28Ronnie Karam: Then we go over to Gretchen's and she's cooking with Slade and her little twin daughter. And she's like, oh, my God, Slade, we already had all of her tools. Why did you buy her more cooking tools? And he's like, that's like me saying, what? You bought a dress? You already have a dress.

1:01:47Ben Mandelker: What I'm trying to say is women, no matter what the age, are basically like children, am I right?

1:01:52Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Katie's house. Hey, where did her nose go? You had that removed last week, Gretchen. Oh, right. Well, it looks good. Yeah. I like, by the way. It's a toast, Wendy. I can't smell it.

1:02:06Ben Mandelker: The toast has been ready. We face-tuned the toast as well. So it's just a blur. I like how we're mad at Gina and Emily for saying that Gretchen looks so facetuned, but like, we're all like, she's so facetuned. So Katie is at Katie's house. We sort of settle in on Katie's house. And Katie is telling Matt, she's like, well, I met with Gina and Heather and Gina was actually great because she didn't really talk very much. Oh, what a relief. She was like, I can see from both sides how you feel. And she's like, I'm in a middle spot. And I'm like, I get that. They also dropped this bomb on me. Tamara apparently told Heather that I'm using this girl Kiki to plan stories about them.

1:02:44Ben Mandelker: And I said, prove it. Show me.

1:02:47Ronnie Karam: Matt's like, whatever. You're perfect in this house. Like, seriously? Like, Tamara judges in this friend group and you're the untrustworthy one. Okay. Okay. Can we just go to bed? Please. Let's just go to bed. So then we go to Tamara and Jen's big meetup. Dun, dun, dun. And Tamara's like, there's so many other things I could be doing right now. I could be praying. I could be praying to Satan. I could be praying to Jesus I could tell Jesus all the mean shit Satan said I could tell Satan that Jesus called him fat

1:03:19Ben Mandelker: I don't know what Jen wants to say to me but I'm hopeful we can move forward because if I said something I shouldn't have I already apologized for what else do you want from me that's therapy talking that's how you know you're healed

1:03:32Ronnie Karam: Jen comes up she's like hi and Tamara goes oh hi I have that belt

1:03:37Ben Mandelker: stockage yeah that's what she's trying to say but Jen's like oh my god I'm obsessed yeah obsessed with me bitch well thanks so much for meeting me yeah well what do you want to talk about well hi um a lot actually I know that you're you know you're going through a lot and I know there's a lot going on with Teddy and all the girls are telling me how heavy that is on you how could you use the h word okay you're not allowed to say that on this cast sorry sorry sorry I can only imagine

1:04:03Ronnie Karam: I'm telling Teddy you caught it heavy I'm telling it

1:04:08Ben Mandelker: I just want to ask you so many questions And I want to know that you're going to answer me honestly

1:04:13Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah Why wouldn't I answer you honestly Come on, try me, try me stupid I'm always honest I'm always, always me I'm always honest She goes, okay, so where did it all go wrong for you? Where did our friendship fall apart, Tamara? I just don't understand Well, it went south We went to dinner at Katie's house And I admitted I was an asshole, okay And I went off on Ryan And then Ryan called Eddie a baby bitch. So he's not so innocent. No, you started it and people stood up for themselves, Tamara. That's not the same thing. You went way hard. You came with machine guns to a balloon fight.

1:04:49Ben Mandelker: You went on TV and brought this FBI thing onto the TV show. You know, that's the thing on these shows. People get upset when people bring sort of stuff that's lurking in the background onto camera. People don't like that, you know. And so Jen's like, yeah, well, you run around about the FBI. Then you make allegations that my home with my children was raided. Yeah, and you can say whatever you want, because if anybody says anything back, they're the bad ones.

1:05:18Ronnie Karam: I'm like, that's literally the camera. It's you. It's you who's saying it.

1:05:24Ben Mandelker: It's you.

1:05:26Ronnie Karam: Oh, God.

1:05:28Ben Mandelker: So you're going to say that to my husband? Say that my husband doesn't have a job. It doesn't make any money. I had built a banger about that.

1:05:35Ronnie Karam: Okay, does your husband have a job? And does your husband have any money? Because it looks like he's following you around, sucking off your teeth.

1:05:42Ben Mandelker: Wasn't that the storyline last year? It's like, yeah, Eddie's not really doing anything with himself ever since cut Finn's clothes. So I just want him to do something because he's getting really upset because he doesn't have a job.

1:05:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I tell you, sir, my husband doesn't have a job and isn't doing anything. So Jen's like, let's go this way, okay? Because this maybe will work better for you. She goes, don't be fucking condescending to me, okay? I don't know who the hell you think you are, but you're not. You're not whoever you think you are. It's somebody else. Maybe it's somebody who doesn't remember who she is. She just woke up. She has an angel. I do remember. I'm Jen. She's going to realize her husband was doing it the whole time.

1:06:17Ben Mandelker: No, I'm Jen. I'm Jen. I remember who I am. Jen Petranti. Yeah, I do. Isn't that amazing? I do remember. Thank you so much for reminding me to remember. Oh, yeah.

1:06:26Ronnie Karam: You think you're somebody that's so above. like you told Heather to bro.

1:06:32Ben Mandelker: So last week, we go back to that pub and Jen goes, Heather, why do you lower yourself? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's bullshit. Are you not lowering yourself to be someone who will videotape one of our friends?

1:06:52Ronnie Karam: And so Tamara's like, Oh, yeah? Well, I'm not the one that gets evicted. So what about that? And she goes, okay, does it make you feel better that I got evicted? No, but you can't say that I'm lower, because you're lower than me, because you got evicted.

1:07:05Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, you got caught. Caught what? Cheating? Yeah. You've never cheated before, Tamara? Maybe. I do hear stories. Oh, now you didn't cheat. Suddenly you didn't cheat. No, I left Simon for Eddie, and there was no crossover, no crossover. She goes, well, I did the same as Will.

1:07:23Ronnie Karam: I happened to find one of Simon's best friends that he worked with in the same office, but there was no overlapping at all.

1:07:30Ben Mandelker: And I said the same thing with Will, and I never said that I didn't cheat on Will. Okay, so it was the first time or the second time? Because now Tamara's run out because everything she's trying to get to Jen at, like Jen's like, yeah, okay, what else? And so she's like, okay, well, there was a second time.

1:07:48Ronnie Karam: Now I'll just make stuff up. Yeah, now I'll just straight up make stuff up. So she's like, what are you talking about? And she goes, you don't want to bring it up. And she goes, well, I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, come on, Jen. You don't know. So the producer asked Tamara what she knows. And she's like, um, I don't know.

1:08:07Ben Mandelker: Is there any question? Is there any difference between going to someone who's on Radio Andy and saying, I heard something. and like maybe you can put it on your show versus going to a producer and saying, I heard something, maybe you can put it on our show. I don't think there is a big difference.

1:08:27Ronnie Karam: I guess their argument would be that they will fight for themselves and use themselves as their weapons. But when you go use the media as your weapon, that is super, super low. Fair.

1:08:40Ben Mandelker: So Jen's like, I don't have any clue what you're talking about. But to be fair, I also rarely have any clue about what anyone's talking about. deny deny deny deny deny deny what is this allegation that you're pulling out of your rabbit hat she's well there are some rumors that there was another guy at a yoga studio that she got involved with oh god like seriously okay then who is it where is it who told you

1:09:05Ronnie Karam: tamra but of course she's not it's just a rumor it could be wrong she can't get in trouble for it and jen's like i don't even know who you are she's oh yeah but i don't care if you know who i am Doesn't matter to me, okay? Like, if you're going to keep poking at me, then yeah, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. There she is.

1:09:23Ben Mandelker: She's back. There she is. She's back.

1:09:27Ronnie Karam: And now I'm obsessed with you? Like, what am I, a single white female? I mean, do you tell people I'm obsessed with you? And she goes, oh, well, that was weird shit back in the day. Like putting my old hair extensions, putting your hair in. What about that?

1:09:39Ben Mandelker: How do you know about that?

1:09:41Ronnie Karam: Because you told me.

1:09:43Ben Mandelker: Yes. What's weird is how you twist shit. Because you want to make other people look so beneath you. Ha ha. You're the one who's trying to make someone lower now. And it's mind blowing. So Jen explains that yes, she put Tamara's hair in her head. But for like a second, because she was playing. And she didn't leave the salon with it. She just was like there. And like someone was like, hey, that's Tamara Judge's hair. So she put it in as a gag and had fun with it. So it's hilarious how Tamara does twist it to make her seem like a lunatic. When it actually was a benign joke.

1:10:15Ronnie Karam: like tamra i don't know if you've ever seen your hair but nobody's clamoring to get it put on their head yeah okay this is like christ unless it's like a scarecrow trying to scare off some crows girl nobody is looking for that on purpose this is like when ashley put on karen huger's wig you

1:10:33Ben Mandelker: know like like and start walking around they'd have to distress the they'd have to distress the

1:10:37Ronnie Karam: fake hair to even look correct on your head no one can reuse that you know if i die in the middle

1:10:43Ben Mandelker: the night of stab wounds. It's her. She's going to stand over my bed and stab. It's going to happen one day. I swear to God. So Jen's like, they said Tamara was in the chair next to you and she just came in and we were all laughing. She explains it all and she's like, but you want to twist it like I sewed your hair in my head? Like it gave me some sort of joy? She goes, yeah, but you go to my doctor and get your face redone. You go to my gym because you saw I did a fitness competition. Tamara, you literally advertised you did the fitness competition to advertise your gym and now you're mad that people actually came in from your marketing.

1:11:19Ronnie Karam: That's such a good point. And Jen's like, your gym was one mile from my yoga studio. How dare you? How dare you put yourself on that much of a pedestal and say I came looking for you? You did. You did come looking for me. You did. She goes, oh, you're so special. You're so sick. How's your therapy? Listen, I didn't come to your gym. I didn't know shit about you. You're fucking sick, Tamara. And I'll say it again. She goes, don't call me sick. You can't call me sick. I got stuff.

1:11:46Ben Mandelker: You're fucking sick.

1:11:48Ronnie Karam: You can't use my sickness against me. How could you? She's using my mental disabilities against me. She's calling me all type of sick. I can't.

1:11:59Ben Mandelker: That's unfortunate. I wish you all the luck in the world, but that's not cool.

1:12:03Ronnie Karam: 127 toothpicks. 127 toothpicks.

1:12:09Ben Mandelker: Tamara step one is admitting you have a problem Step two is actually fixing it So Tamara's like you know what The old Tamara would have laid into her But you know what what she thinks about me Is her problem so she can fuck off I don't want anything to do with her I just don't see where Jen and I Can move on I like how she's like The old Tamara would have laid into her I'm like was Was that not what we just

1:12:33Ronnie Karam: Here's what the old Tamara would have done She would have laid into her denied everything And then when she couldn't win the argument, run away like a little wuss, like you just did. You're the same old Tamara girl. You're the same one. So meanwhile, Jen sees a therapy dog. She goes, oh, my gosh, is that a therapy dog? Can I hug it? Oh, my God, get over here, therapy dog. Get over here. She's just hugging the dog.

1:12:54Ben Mandelker: She's hugging the... Tamara's storming out. Jen, like, the definition of villain edit versus hero edit is, like, Tamara storming off. Jen cuddling a random adorable dog. And the dog starts chewing on her hair. and she goes, well, at least it's not Tamara's hair.

1:13:09Ronnie Karam: I mean, you keep chewing on this hair, it's going to look like Tamara's clip-ins again. Save me the argument, dog. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for eating my hair.

1:13:20Ben Mandelker: So next week, the New Orleans trip happens and we're going to see what this shit show is all about. But wow, it's really astounding to see that Jen's so composed and so easily dismantling Tamara. It's shocking. I didn't know she would be the one.

1:13:39Ronnie Karam: It was lovely. Loved every second of it. So yeah, we're one step closer to Tamara being like, ah, queer, you never see me. Loved it. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being with us this weekend. We'll be back Monday night, or Monday afternoon, 4 p.m. Pacific time for Amazon Live. and then with you know another zillion recaps we'll talk to you next time we love you guys

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