#2958 The Valley S2E17 Part 2: Jaximum Impact

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1:48happens when there's so much that happens well hello and welcome to watch what happens this

1:56Ronnie Karam: is part two of a two-part recap if you're like hey wait a minute i didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one

2:07Ben Mandelker: bye enjoy the show so jason is like um well it wasn't like a private conversation from what i heard it was a tirade he was on he was actually removed from the bar yeah you know it was it was out of character not for zayac okay and and then jacks of all people goes out of character he's drunk all the time shut up jacks weren't you the one who just was telling us about that drugs and alcohol destroyed your life and also drugs and alcohol aren't the problem at the same time yeah

2:37Ronnie Karam: so britney's like yeah but you know he was yelling things i know he didn't mean it but it did happen And, you know, I knew he didn't mean it, which is why I ran right to Janet and told her all about it. And so, Janet, what's your response? She's like, are you sorry for that, Zach? And he's like, absolutely. And I have apologized to you for that. She's like, well, before you apologized in person, you're behind my back saying she doesn't suck dick. She doesn't do this. Fuck her. Fuck this. You didn't seem sorry. You didn't seem sorry at all. He's like, number one, that was like a year later. And you called lawyers on me instead of having a conversation.

3:14Ronnie Karam: She goes, well, then maybe don't drink in excess when you're blacked out. By the way, I'm reserving this very judgy, puritanical talk for people who I'm not friends with. Jax, you're still great. Can I cry at another one of your segments, please? I would love to cry about your victimhood some more. That would be great.

3:30Ben Mandelker: Okay, well, instead of having a conversation with me and I didn't even know what I said. Yeah, but why would I have a conversation with you? after you said that when I'm eight months pregnant. Okay, I love that you like to make this narrative of everything. And she's like, but you're not sorry. And Andy's like, well, it's been over a year. Zach has apologized multiple times. Is there a point where you can just forgive him for this or move past it or what? And Zach is like, let's not do this. Let's not do this. Let's be clear. I want to move on from this more than anyone, but I would also like to bring it up many more times.

4:07Ben Mandelker: And I would like to get to a better place, perhaps literally a better place like Daven Busters than this wretched set. But I need to see some things change. I need to see that you're not going to just be trashing me 24-7. That's a cliffhanger now for the commercial break.

4:21Ronnie Karam: So Andy's like, Johnny, you and Zach made up instead of Barbara. But then at the zen point, she goes, oh, yeah, well, I won't make that mistake again. He goes, so why were you two not able to keep the peace? and she says that Zach, you know, he kept blaming her for the friendship thing with Brittany and you know, he felt like Brittany and her weren't as close or him weren't as close anymore and so he should take it up with Brittany because I don't get involved with friendships like that. And Zach's like, um, when it comes to Janet, I know I don't know what voodoo craft she has or doesn't have over Brittany, but it's crazy.

4:58Ronnie Karam: She goes, maybe I'm just nice. Maybe I'm a good person and maybe that's it okay maybe we have fun and britney's like but i love you jay you know i love you uh zach i love you so much i love her so much i just love everybody so much i love you i love her i love that camera guy over there i love you camera guy you won't go out later no guy guy call me you got my number so you know i just love everyone i'm just a person

5:21Ben Mandelker: but can't you can tell there's a level of jealousy oh did you just call me jealous oh my god Oh, no.

5:32Ronnie Karam: So, Jonna, no. She goes, yes, because you wanted Brittany to be your best friend. And Zach's like, no, Jonna was on you to not having to hang out. Oh, Jonna was on you to stop hanging out with me. And Jonna's like, oh, really? Did I tell you not to hang out with him, Brittany? And she goes, well, yeah, a couple of times. She goes, oh, really? So I asked you if you were hanging out with him. That's very different. When I say, Brittany, are you hanging out with Zach? Because if you are, I'm never hanging out with you. That's different from saying don't hang out with Zach. Is it not? Is it not? Threatening to not hang out with you if you hung out with him is different than saying don't hang out with him.

6:09Ronnie Karam: That's very different. One gives you a choice in this situation, Brittany.

6:14Ben Mandelker: What happened on your birthday? Can I talk now? Okay. What happened to your birthday? Did she take down her post? And Brittany's like, yes, I did. I did take down my post. No, no.

6:24Ronnie Karam: She says that Janet did because Janet put up a post like a happy birthday post for Britney. And then she got pissed and took it down. And so she's like, you know, Britney at all. She said, well, Britney had only communicated to me that she was taking a break from Zach. She wasn't ready to talk or see Zach. And then she went and saw Zach. So, yeah, I got pissed. OK, so you were telling Britney she couldn't hang out with Zach. I mean, what the fuck else is it, Janet? Like, stop lying. Just own your shit. Like you'd be so much more entertaining if you just stop your fucking lying.

6:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Janet's like, well, you know, from my perspective, Brittany was like, I'm not talking to Zach. I'm mortified by the things he said. It's not okay. It's horrible. And if I ever talk to you again, like that was the tone that was, if, if I ever talk to him again, do you see? And Brittany's like, listen, Zach, Zach, I did tell you it was bad. And I was honest with you about it. And I love you, honey. I love you, but you know you are lowest on the totem pole of people who's back sucking him. That's just how it is. That is the role of the gay sidekick to the female star. You know that. So Andy's like, well, Kristen, you're talking with Zach and Brittany.

7:35Ben Mandelker: How do you think Brittany has been as a friend to Zach versus Janet in the past few years? I think she's a great friend of both, but I know that if Zach makes any comments or if there's anything like that, Brittany immediately is like, don't. But then I also know Janet will talk shit and Brittany doesn't say stop. Sorry, caca, seriously.

7:52Ronnie Karam: And Janet's like, yeah, but I don't talk shit about you two to Brittany. Okay, well, we know that's a lie because of what just happened on the stage. So I can't even listen to her sometimes. So Kristen's like, well, you've literally told me about group texts that she's talked shit about me before Brittany. And Janet's like, well, there's been plenty of times you've gone to Brittany and questioned why she's friends with me. I'm sure the fucking mailman goes to Brittany and ask her why she's friends with you. Who wouldn't? the checkout lady at the Ralphs is like are you friends why are you friends with Janet girl I watch your show

8:22Ben Mandelker: why why so Chris is like I don't speak ill of you well I'm I just think asking they all talk ill about each other all the time so you know I just think that asking why she's hanging out with me is speaking ill and like why are you friends with her why did you invite her to this why not me like she doesn't need that Zach is your head about to explode I have never made her cry Zach, well, his head is about to fall off. Everyone, can we get a net? It's about to fall off his neck. I can see it. It's swiveling so much. No, I've got my neck and my head is fine. You are literally turning around on her when you are the one that constantly goes to Brittany.

8:58Ben Mandelker: Constantly, why are you friends with Zach? Zach's here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

9:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Janet says, you're the ones who talk about me and say, why is Janet invited and not me? That's talking bad about me. No, they're not invited because you say I won't go if you invite them with me. That's why they're not invited, hence why they're asking the question. You see how she twists things around? It makes me so fucking crazy. So she's like, I'm like literally gonna start crying. I'm like literally gonna start crying right now. I'm like literally trying to stop myself. Brittany's like, oh honey, I don't want you to leave feeling so wide by me because I love you. I love you, honey. Bye.

9:37Ronnie Karam: All right, I'm gonna switch gears because I cannot believe people are actively fighting over Brittany. That's hilarious. All right, after uncorking, all right, let's just get to it. Zach, when you were on the bus to the winery, Jesse was twerking on you guys. Let's all vote. And they're like, he sucks at dancing. So then Brittany's like, I thought Jason was going to whoop his ass. I thought he was going to whoop his ass. So, Jesse, you called Michelle an escort. How do you think she was going to react to that? He's like, you know, I thought about that. I'm sure you have. And I, you know, I should have offered a white flag before offering a conversation before we went into the house.

10:18Ronnie Karam: Maybe it's like, well, why did you get so emotional that you had to leave and go to your room at the healing circle?

10:26Ben Mandelker: Well, you know, I've been a really shitty person. And part of not being a shitty person anymore is having a performative moment where you cry when you have a chance to cry and you strip down to your baggy gray, tidy whities. maybe I would call them Lucy Whiteys I don't know but like I would hope at all times that if Michelle can't think of one nice thing she could at least say I'm a great father and that I love Isabel and the fact that she couldn't even bring that up it just really kind of it hit me and I thought this would be a way to gain sympathy with the audience and I think it worked I think it worked

11:04Ronnie Karam: Hi you were just calling your child's father a whore or your child's mother a whore that's not being a good father I don't know what planet you're on that that counts as being a good father. You don't work anymore. You spent all your money and you had your wife move out of the house. You had the child's mother move out of the house. How do you think that makes you a good father exactly? I'm still confused about this.

11:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And Janet's like, yeah, it's kind of hard to offer a compliment right after all that happened. He's like, 100 % it was. But it was a great time to cry. Michelle's like, you didn't even have a conversation with me. you didn't call me you did not tell me you'd be handing out very small little white flags as a joke that we were supposed to laugh at he's like well we we we have apologized left and right like no we haven't well they're like just say sorry now jesse now it's a fight of like who said sorry

11:57Ronnie Karam: when they said sorry when they should have said sorry so he's like but i have said sorry a million times and michelle's like nah and jesse says and you know and now i have to worry about the fact that I said that and Isabella might be bullied for it someday.

12:14Ronnie Karam: I really regret saying it 10 times on camera.

12:19Ben Mandelker: Yes. And now Isabella might get bullied. If she gets bullied, it'll be for you, not for this stupid thing. So Michelle is like, why don't you worry about that? Because your clients have told you about that. They've called you. That's why you worry about this. So he's like, no, no, no. They absolutely haven't. All right, Michelle. I want to know about the gay guy that he was zelling money to Jesse. Jesse goes, okay, I can tell you about him. We spent like three summers with him at the house, you know, trading handies under the table once in a while. No big deal. Went to Capri, got some oral. Maybe three times, four times.

13:01Ben Mandelker: I don't know. It was great. Doesn't count. It was Italy. I don't know. He sent me money on my birthday. I send him a dick pic back. What's the big deal? Can we move on?

13:09Ronnie Karam: Were you blowing him for money? No, we're friends, okay? He was one of like 52 people at our wedding, okay? I had a Venmo QR code on my suit. So can I stop the guy? I cannot. Can I come in his face? I can. I mean, Jesus Christ, is this a free country or not?

13:30Ben Mandelker: Suddenly you bring knee pads to your own wedding and tell people to line up and give you some

13:34Ronnie Karam: money and it's a crime i don't know what's going on anymore it's not whoring yourself if you take donations after teabagging somebody it's only whorism if you take money after teabagging somebody do you understand do i need to have a lawyer call you or so basically michelle winds

13:55Ben Mandelker: up clarifying that it's like you know like i may know someone and you're saying that because i know this person that makes me a high class hooker who's getting$1 ,500 a night when you know a gay guy who sent you money and like I could say the same thing about you, but she's not saying it just make, she makes it sound like she's accusing him of having some sort of illicit relationship. But what she's actually really illustrating is, you know, you also have relationships that like a craven narcissistic person could twist and turn and make look like they're way worse than they are, but they're completely innocent and that's what you did to me right that's the most innocent way

14:35Ronnie Karam: of putting it but she did she did make she did want to make it sound like he was the one whoring around because you know what it is called did for dad it is did for dad so so jasmine's like i mean i mean i was like whoa whoa why are the gays being brought into this do you know how much that hurt me michelle like that really hurt us that like set us back like we need to talk about this you're going to be apologizing for this 19 times next year so just what you know just just just putting

14:58Ben Mandelker: it out there so then um then they're talking about the guys jesse's like honestly i never should have said it on guys chat in the first place michelle's like and it wasn't to smoke out a mole because he could have literally said anything he knew that by saying that it was going to be on the season so what did you want to do you wanted to ruin my reputation so jesse's like, well, you know what? I sent the text and I was like, shit, I'm so embarrassed. Well, then I wrote, maybe I'm just going to try to smoke out the mole. And then they're like, can you smoke him out anyway?

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17:53Ronnie Karam: FX's The Shards, now streaming on Hulu. So, now they're having a little chat between filming starting at commercial breaks, and Kristen's joking with Jesse, and And then Andy gets back into it. Danny, there was a lot of talk about your drinking this year. And that being a problem, what's going through your head as Jax talks about his struggles? And Danny's like, well, I'd have to rewind because, you know, going into the season, Jax said he was going to be coming after me. He did say that. He did say that. So I guess I knew it was coming in some way.

18:30Ben Mandelker: And Jack's like, yeah, you know what? I'm truly sorry about how I handled that.

18:33Ronnie Karam: of me daniel yeah okay it's okay jacks jackson sorry everybody can someone bring jacks um an ice cream cone he apologized again that's great it's about number 76 in the past 15 minutes great

18:48Ben Mandelker: thanks even even before the show they would always call me they'd say happy birthday how are you doing and even in rehab they're just the sweetest and nicest people in the world to me and that was a terrible thing for me to say. I mean, you've always been the nicest guy. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry, bro. I mean, whatever. Danny's like, I mean, before the summer started, you said you wanted to take me down. Well, I didn't say take you down because you're already pretty short, you know, but I said I wanted to hurt you. You see, you're doing it again, Jack. It's just not nice. I mean, you're like a brother to me, man.

19:22Ben Mandelker: You're like a brother to me, man.

19:25Ronnie Karam: He's like, hey, come on, man. Own up to your stuff. and jack's like well well that's the pot calling the kettle black if i ever heard it you just apologized jackson just stay on the road for christ's sake like that was pretty quick for

19:37Ben Mandelker: the pivot i mean even for jacks that was a quick u-turn right away so chris was like wait why did

19:44Ronnie Karam: you want to go after him why do you want to go after danny and he's like i don't know i don't know maybe because these are the only people who get a decent edit on this show maybe that maybe because this church going little motherfuckers get everything get out all the love for doing nothing on my show. And he's like, oh, you told us why, though. It's not even a mystery. You said that you didn't like your edit in season one, and you said that you felt like we got a good edit. So you were going to come for us. And Jack's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. Okay, wait, rewind that. Let's rewind that.

20:13Ronnie Karam: I was told, I was told that they get protected on the show. I was told that. So I was just saying something that I heard. So it's not really my fault. It's like, I'm a narcissist. I can't help it.

20:23Ben Mandelker: By the way, I hate to come to Jack's Taylor's defense, but his whole thing about pot calling kettle black was a flashback. It did not happen during the reunion. We just both read it. Like it was an active conversation, but it was not. okay. Thank you. We both misread our notes, but the fact that we both believed it and we're not like, we didn't think, wait a second, are we in a different part of the season right now? Shows that it's like totally Jack's doing. It doesn't even matter.

20:49Ronnie Karam: We could be reading notes from literally 10 years ago and it would be the same fucking story with Jack's. just read the just read the same written reunion notes from season three exactly the i'm sorry i'm sorry i can't help it you know i'm trying it was i'm a work in progress i'm a new jacks you know i'm really really good to try guys i'm really good to try just please forgive me please guys

21:08Ben Mandelker: so neo's like who why how do we get protected we don't know anyone at bravo it's like this is an apology guys i'm apologizing i'm sorry i'm sorry i don't know what else to say i'm sorry that Danny molests people and has a drinking problem. I'm sorry that I brought that up. I shouldn't have done that. You guys are being protected, and I should see that as a good thing. I shouldn't be jealous that you guys are doing that. That Danny, I don't know, maybe goes out late at night and beats up people. I don't know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that he's got a whole other second family. Am I saying these things?

21:41Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry I just said that, guys. You're still doing it, Jax. Why are you still doing this, Jax? I don't know. It's an apology, man. Let me have my apology, bro.

21:50Ronnie Karam: And Danny's like, but I wanted to be your friend, man. You were like a brother, dude, a brother. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I know, bro. And he's like, but you just took my face and you dug it into the dirt. And then you just kept going on and going on and trying to ruin my character and my name and my marriage. It sucks, man. Four under three. Four under three. And Jackson's like, I know, but, you know, like, I don't expect you to be my friend tomorrow. But, like, I just want you to know that for the bottom of my heart, I'm so sorry. So, so sorry. and Zach's like why does anybody believe what he says?

22:21Ronnie Karam: Why? Why does anybody? I hope he miscarries I hope he miscarries and Danny's like um thank you, thank you for that apology okay so that's done so now Danny when you were in the pantry and you took a swig were you trying to hide from the cameras from the group or what? Danny's like well mainly from cameras I knew I was going into this I was, Jackson said what he had said so I knew you know if I was going to be drunk I had to hide it

22:47Ben Mandelker: it's the healthiest way to be drunk i found so andy's like he's and he's like nia did you take issue with the person danny becomes when he drinks um there's definitely times where i'm not happy with daniel with the way he is when he drinks and obviously sometimes he's hilarious daniel yes daniel has a great susie kurtz impersonation when he drunks you should hear it sometime he's very funny but sometimes he gets under my skin and it's annoying but i love him and i know he is he's the best he's a great person overall you know and he's not like going out drinking getting drunk all the time we have kids okay so do you think he's always odds with you about drinking and how much he's had i mean we always check in and it's like there are moments where i'm like okay too much but oh you know the next day we have conversations and get back on the same page and jason's like yeah whoa whoa i think

23:42Ronnie Karam: that's great. You know, you should support your husband, but the, instead of taking accountability, it's like, where's the boogeyman, you know, like where's the scapegoat where I can blame all of this on, you know, like it's all Janet's fault. You know, Janet's the reason for all this happening. No, the fact that Danny has done some bad things, it's all Janet's fault. No, it's that Janet didn't stop and kept going and going and making it bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger every single episode, probably to lift up Jax. Like, who even knows what her motivation is? But he's like, yeah, you know, like, why can't anybody articulate what Janet has done?

24:18Ronnie Karam: Why can't you fucking listen? They have articulated it. She gets in the middle of shit. She tries to ruin everybody's reputation for fun to get herself a storyline. And her only personality is stolen from betters from seasons past. What are you not hearing, sir?

24:33Ben Mandelker: So Nia's like, oh, we loved you guys so much. like really cared for you Janet and I think the place that's coming from like is it from a place of concern like you're the only person who's perpetuated the conversation so Janet's like you know what I came to you at a girl at a girl's night and I said if you were struggling with him with alcohol or whatever issue you know like just huge amounts of substance abuse and and booze and and inappropriate behavior sexual assault the list goes on and on I think we all know I think we all saw it everyone so you know like we have friends that will support you and bring it up a few more times just in case you need some more support about it and maybe after that bring it up a few more times and then maybe talk about some to some other people maybe add a few other little details in there and if that you know if that's what you're going through you know and then you bit my head off you bit my head off for saying that and she's like yeah and so of course danny's

25:25Ronnie Karam: calling me a snake so at that point it's like of course i'm gonna keep talking about it i mean you guys are blaming me anyway i might as well just keep talking about it that doesn't make sense and that's new that's a new that's a new angle your arguments suck you have no justification literally for what you did ever so danny's like well first of all i called you a snake after you called me darko danny and darkside danny and she's like well i think danny darko is actually better named than darkside danny but that's just my vote and goes well that's a trigger so i called you a snake and she's like well it's easy to be triggered when you're drunk so keep a level head and you won't be so triggered really because your husband is supposedly sober and he's like shaking next to

26:08Ben Mandelker: you so it's well it's easy to be triggered either way when someone's calling you a name especially dark oh you know how i want to be in that movie so badly so andy's like all right well between season's a boozy Halloween incident with Danny and Jax's bar sparks tons of chatter. Okay, let's talk about the grope heard around the world. Okay, how are you two able to work through it? So, Nina's like, um, well, it's something we do in our relationship is that when there's an issue, we address it head on. So, once Brittany called me and filled me in because Danny didn't fill me in head on, it was great.

26:44Ben Mandelker: So, we talked in therapy and you know, we got through all of it and we We made sure we got back to a good place. End of story. Moving on.

26:53Ronnie Karam: Well, Brittany filled her in because Danny was supposedly blackout, right? So that's why she had to fill her in. So she was like, and then we went to therapy. We went separately. We went together. We talked it through. We wanted to make sure we were back in a good place. And this wasn't a thing. So Danny's like, well, yes. And then, you know, I don't remember that. So I was completely blackout. I don't remember being at the bar. So I remember waking up on the couch. so I just want to make sure everybody understands it's not a drinking problem if you don't remember it

27:25Ben Mandelker: it is sort of a weird excuse I just look I was just shit face beyond shit face that's it you know so Jazz now they get into it about how like then Danny reached out to Jasmine right away then Jasmine's like no Nia reached out to me first and then it was like okay Danny had texted but Nia had called is getting into this and jasmine is you know says all the stuff and nia says that she checked in and andy is like so what the apology like like you didn't feel like that was genuine and jasmine said that the white party the problem was that when they sat down danny's first reaction was oh are we doing this right now and then we see the the footage of him being like oh i didn't think this was coming up tonight so that rubbed them the really the wrong way because then they're like oh like suddenly we have to be on your schedule when we want to air our grievances to you yeah so what do you think about that i think they're right i mean i think they're right i mean obviously it's being brought up because it was it was like the season premiere and they're going to talk about things but i also i can imagine why um if you're like listen i want to like i want to talk about this and someone has that vibe at like it would maybe put me off a little bit i think though the subsequent conversations they had over the course of the season were really productive and good ones so uh like but no if they're if the question is about like what danny should have said or not said i don't know i i imagine he probably said i probably i imagine he probably said it like a joke like oh whoa i guess we're having a serious conversation right now and she took it as something else and i don't think it's wrong that she took it that way i don't think it's wrong that he was nervous and made a joke but it obviously spiraled

29:14Ronnie Karam: yeah i think he was probably pissed because she he was like i thought we discussed this and now you're gonna be bringing it up on camera great you know so i think he's probably like fuck um and he's just too um new as a reality person to know that of course they're gonna bring it up on camera what do you think you're doing here sir of course she's gonna bring that up on camera the second she gets a chance because that's kind of your job so she's like i mean what what like what am i doing to you like i can bring it up if i want to i mean it happened to me you know and melissa never got an apology to her face so like she wanted an apology to her face so it was like you know we hadn't seen you for months and so his argument is like but i thought we were good we'd seen each other multiple times and she's like no no we didn't and nia's like yeah we've seen each other we'd seen each other since halloween by by the middle of the summer and she's like no no and And they're like, yes, we have.

30:07Ronnie Karam: So basically they're saying, I thought we worked through this and now it's almost a year later. But you're being sure to bring it up like it's something fresh and new and you've never gotten an apology for on camera. So, I mean, I can see why they would be annoyed with that. But at the same time, after what he did, she can bring it up every fucking day as far as I'm concerned. Jasmine can. It bothers me when Janet uses it as a weapon because it's not her thing, you know. But Jasmine, you know, it gets kind of annoying that it's like he apologizes and she forgives him. Then she's not. Then she needs another apology.

30:38Ronnie Karam: Then she needs another apology. Then she needs another apology. But, you know, she's the one who went through that shit with him. So I think he's just going to have to shut his fucking mouth and just say he's sorry over and over. And he's been pretty good.

30:50Ben Mandelker: He has.

30:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he's been pretty good about it. But, yeah, I'm not mad at Jasmine for bringing it. I get annoyed. I'm not going to lie that she brings it up over and over. But I also think it's her right.

31:02Ben Mandelker: so just yeah but it gets brought up it gets brought up whether it's janet or whether it's the show whether it's andy cohen it gets brought up and then she has to explain it and then she is the one that's like people like why don't you just get over it and it's like it's like you guys keep bringing it up she i mean she had a scene she like they had they had a scene where they talked about it and well i mean i don't know you guys all saw the season so nia's like she's like well you have every right to and i think you just felt kind of guard we're friends and they just he's caught off guard and she talks jasmine talks about how it was deeper and and then but then later on they had a deeper conversation which was better and we saw the flashback to that and jasmine was saying it she just was feeling like her relationship was less than because other people and and this is where i think she's totally right which is that like conversations get rehashed all the time on this show and on other shows all the time people like circle back to talk about something or they shoot a scene because they know that's what the gig is and but with hers it was like oh really we're doing this right now and like whether he meant that as a nervous joke which i sincerely believe he did it landed with her like oh god like the lesbians have an issue okay i guess we'll do a scene i think that's how she took it and it triggered her and you know the rest is history

32:18Ronnie Karam: so jason's like whoa whoa whoa you know i'm really trying to hold my emotions together over here but Like, honestly, these khakis are itching. Okay. Because honestly, that interaction was disgusting. And by the way, this is the interaction where Jasmine's like, we had a great conversation about it. So, and then Jason's like, disgusting. And then he goes, what interaction were you disgusted by? And Danny's like, you weren't even there. And Jason's like, yeah, well, you admitted what happened and I heard what happened. I'm like, what else do I need to know? I mean, Jasmine's still feeling a certain way about it.

32:48Ronnie Karam: I was disgusted with you. Disgusted.

32:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and so Jason's like, you know, I mean, you know, quote unquote, I was taken off guard because you're still her. Why are you still her? Insinuating she did it for the show. And Nia's like, no, because not because you were still her, because she thought that he thought they had good communication in a better place. You know, well, you can think anything. And when you're told otherwise, get over it. Jasmine's like, but I hadn't seen you and it was like out of sight, out of mind. So Danny's like, but we've seen each other. So now they're fighting again because Jason has never shown this sort of energy for anything that Jax or what's-his-face Jesse has ever done when I would argue that they've done way worse things.

33:36Ben Mandelker: I'm not saying the groping that Danny did. I'm not saying they've done stuff worse than that. I'm saying like he's Jason is angry at the interaction at the white party. way more angry at that than any stories he ever heard about um a a like the jacks flipping tables throwing bar stools or whatever unless i'm mistaken if jason said that if jason was mad about the grope okay legit but like why doesn't he also have the same energy for jacks well i guess that's the my big issue how does he not have this anger for jacks that literally everyone in the

34:09Ronnie Karam: audience and everyone in the cast and janet sits there crying during jacks's sob stories like they They support Jax 100%. That's why. And also because I think Jason is mad because they're getting the bad rap for something they thought Dan. They were like bringing this up on camera constantly to give Danny a bad rap. So now that it's turned back and people hate Janet and Jason for overdoing it, basically overplaying their hand, he's mad. And so he's like coming in with this righteous anger like, well, why does Danny get away with it? Why is everybody else at fault when Danny was the one that did something wrong?

34:40Ronnie Karam: because you were trying to wield someone else's trauma as your own weapon against somebody that you thought had a good edit last year because your friend Jax wanted you to. That's why, because you're a pathetic fucking follower and you have no feelings of your own and you're standing up for a monster, which makes you a monster as well.

34:55Ben Mandelker: And Jax, by the way, if you think about it, Jax is still so shitty. He probably says, let's go after Danny. You know, he like, you know, Danny, he's a bad drinker. He, you know, he's doing these things. He's groping, he's groping our friends and he just gets away from it. Oh, and they're like the golden couple. Danny and he, everyone loves them. They're pretty, they're nice, and no one knows the side of them when I have to deal with all this shit, so let's take them down. And Jason's like, sure. And John's like, sure, I think you make a good point. Let's do it. So now Jason and Janet go and do it.

35:24Ben Mandelker: And then the moment that, hold on, the moment that they are like, they go in full guns blazing, they get it from the audience, and Jax is like, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

35:38Ben Mandelker: He just backs out and sells out everyone. right like how hilarious what a day typical typical so um jasmine danny's like well but

35:46Ronnie Karam: on the after show you saying wait so the jasmine goes but it's hard to hear you say even at the after show why would she bring this up again it's like like right there that's a slap in the face that's a slap in the face and uh danny's like well what do you mean after the on the after show saying that you brought it up again she goes yeah on the after show you said something like oh i I can't believe it was brought up again. And Danny says, but not by Janet. By Janet is what I was talking about. Not by you. And he goes, yeah, not by you. You can bring it up as much as you want. It's Janet. And Jason's like, oh, you are such a clown.

36:18Ronnie Karam: You're such a fucking clown. You better never. And then he starts getting like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, bro. Like he's going to go kick Danny's ass. No one is scared of you, Doc. Sit down. Okay, penny loafers, sit. So Danny's like, are you kidding me? No, I'm not kidding you. You better try it. So Janet is Janet, by the way, and I'm I'm really glad that Janet spent so much of this reunion stressing how, you know, coming for an eight month pregnant and eight months pregnant woman can cause her to lose her child. And how devastating that is totally comes for Nia while she's sitting there on the couch, eight months pregnant.

36:55Ronnie Karam: And it's like, oh, yeah, well, he's been appropriate and made women uncomfortable multiple times since multiple times since as recently as the Super Bowl. And Nia's like, Janet, that is a lie. Like, she finally gets a rise out of Nia. And Danny's like, that is a lie. And Nia's like, and you're really good at lying. So, dun, dun, dun. I don't know, but I'm terrified that Jay said. Just terrified.

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