#2977 RHOC S19E07 Part 1: See Ya Later, Alligator

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3:09Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap we just love to watch on bravo i'm ben mandelker and joining me today it's the one and only ronnie carham in

3:22Ronnie Karam: a matching green shirt hi ronnie how are you hi we are having a very olive green shirt day

3:28Ben Mandelker: yeah we are mine looks darker but only because i don't have a lot of light on it and look at

3:33Ronnie Karam: you throwing a pillow back there i'm only one pillow on a chair i'm what the heck okay do the I'm going to fix that.

3:40Ben Mandelker: Okay, you fix that. Ryan is going to go take care of his pillows back there. We are here. It's Orange County Day. We love Orange County Day. So here's what you need to know about Watch for Crappens and the Watch for Crappens experience. So we have a Patreon, patreon.com slash watch for crappens, where you can actually do all sorts of fun things. Like you can listen to our bonus episodes. We do a bonus episode every single week. This week we actually told stories of our youth and being young and in the business and Ronnie's interactions with Robert Goulet and Sally Kellerman. And I talked about my interactions with Amy Sedaris and Diane Cannon.

4:17Ben Mandelker: And there was some, I don't remember what was my first story. Oh, what was my first story? Was it Diane Cannon? I don't know. Conan stuff. Uber stuff. We just told old stories about being young and coming up in Hollywood or just in the business in general. So that was actually a really, really fun and lovely bonus episode. Also, Crap is on Demand. You can watch us, not just listen. These videos are here on Patreon for a week before they go out to our YouTube. So that's the big, that's a surprisingly large pitch for Patreon. You'd think we'd never talk about it before. And don't forget that this Monday we have Crappy Hour.

4:53Ben Mandelker: That's when we do a show on YouTube Live. It's also simulcast Instagram where we talk about Bravo headlines and things like that. We have a lot of fun with it. If you've never watched it, it's usually the two of us. Sometimes we have a guest. In fact, one of our more recent guests is a lady who has been quite the topic on Real Housewives of Orange County, Kiki Monique, which is my way of saying, let's talk about some Orange County. This episode, Ronnie, what did you think about this episode? This episode to me was like, it was like Rashomon, but it was like Rahashosimon. It was like Rosimon. It was R-H-O-C-mon because like the number of perspectives that start to come out by the end of it, you're like, what is the truth?

5:38Ronnie Karam: Well, you know, we had already spoken before this a little bit because I started the day really upset. I mean, I came on to talk to Ben and we got on the phone and I was like, what the hell? I hate these kind of episodes where things just prove me wrong. You know, I'm a Virgo. I like to have my judgments correct. And last week, well, a couple of things happened. Last week after the recap, because look, I remember saying in last week's recap, I don't understand Tamara's motivation. Why would she lie about this? But at the same, and I don't believe Katie, but at the same time, I don't believe Tamara either.

6:14Ronnie Karam: But I hate not knowing what's going on. It makes me crazy. And then Tamara posted, because I wrote the description for last week in the episode notes. And I said something like, Tamara's evil plan failed. And then Tamara commented on our post on Instagram saying, what do you mean my evil plan failed?

6:31Gretchen Rossi: What the hell is that supposed to mean? What do I have to gain from this information?

6:35Ronnie Karam: Or whatever. And I didn't respond. But then because, of course, I was referring to you trying to turn everybody against Katie and it blew up in your face is what I what I meant in the description. Then I went on to Judgy Girls to talk to Courtney, which you're going to go on this week as well. And we were talking about OC and we talked about it at length a really long time. And I've just I hate being wrong on multiple episodes and not being able to figure out what's going on. It pissed me off. And then I watched this one and, you know, it made me mad. But here's why I'm mad. Because I actually have to kind of apologize.

7:11Ronnie Karam: Like, Tamara, I mean, you were right. So, ultimately, I have to even apologize to Tamara. So, I'm going to do it. I'm just going to suck it up. I was wrong. You were right. I still don't believe the way that you handled it was proper. And I still believe you're mostly an asshole on this show. But when you're right, you're right. And this time, you know what? You were right. So, there. Okay? There.

7:34Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I actually loved it. You were frustrated by it, but I loved it. I loved that by the end of the episode, we discover that they're all lying. They're all covering up their own stories. They're all unreliable narrators. And I think that's actually a really fun, exciting space to be in. normally you'd say if they're all lying this is actually shitty because then we don't know what's true but i think that's what's actually so funny like i think as we discover like oh actually gretchen may have said this or she said something close to it and then she's saying no i never said it but then she does say it and then and then katie is like well i didn't say it but now i did say it but then but this is what i really said and jen's like maybe i said it maybe i didn't and now Katie seems like she's going to turn on them.

8:22Ben Mandelker: It's so, first of all, they're all lying.

8:25Ronnie Karam: They're all like, they're

8:26Ben Mandelker: all lying. Yeah, they're all lying.

8:28Ronnie Karam: But I didn't see it coming that Gretchen and Slade had told everybody and then called to tell them to lie about it. You know, I mean, that was like an element I didn't see. You know, because what was confusing me last week was why would Gretchen, okay, if they have this whole thing and Katie did go tell Kiki Monique this stuff, then why wouldn't Gretchen be furious at Katie for telling Kiki Monique. That was what was confusing. Like, if she did do it, and it seems like she probably did, then why isn't Gretchen mad if Gretchen said that? But then we find out this week the answer is because Gretchen and Slade thought that they had stopped it by telling Katie not to say anything.

9:08Ben Mandelker: Well, all three of them are dumb because they've all made this actually much more of a scandal than it actually is. Tamara ignited something. she knew she would ignite it because Gretchen should if this is what happened Gretchen should just be like well yeah I told her that I was concerned that I had been drugged and I went to the hospital and got some tests done and I think that like Gretchen is like flinching now because she's afraid she's gonna get sued or something like that but like it's so old and it's so it's all hearsay and it's all so silly that like I don't know and I don't think it's a big deal and on top of that the person who brought up on camera was Tamara that's not Gretchen so So I feel like the more that they are defensive and they change their stories, the more they're making it sound like this is a big scandal that someone should be to blame for and that someone should be angry about.

10:00Ben Mandelker: And honestly, it's not. I think that Gretchen had a right to – if Gretchen said that, she had a right to say, I thought that Tamara roofied me. No, because they took it even further.

10:11Ronnie Karam: And she said Tamara did – she said she did test positive for dress. She went to the hospital and they tested her and she had drugs in her system. And then she denies that she said that. No, Gretchen said it.

10:23Ben Mandelker: No, Gretchen said that she went to the hospital. But we saw her say that she went to the hospital, right? But it was Katie who said.

10:30Ronnie Karam: No, we see Gretchen lie because we see Gretchen say. Well, we'll get to it in the recap. It's in the notes. But we see where Gretchen says in the van, I did have to go to the hospital. And then, oh, no, you're right. We didn't see Gretchen say they found drugs in my system. Well, I don't know. But we'll have to get to it in the next. Because it's too confusing.

10:47Gretchen Rossi: It's too much. It's too much.

10:49Ben Mandelker: But by the way, how easy it was for you to miss that detail is how these things get blown way out of proportion. Because it's a human thing to do. You hear 95 % of the sentence and you fill in the last little gap there. And then that's how things go out of...

11:05Ronnie Karam: There's the added thing of you're trying to concentrate on what's happening. Because it's like watching the end of a mystery where everything... you're finding out the truth and everyone's stories start being told right so you're finding out the truth and you're trying to listen to what gretchen is saying but she's wearing the dumbest outfit i've ever seen in my life and i'm trying to concentrate on what she's saying but i'm concentrating on what she's physically saying with that outfit that pink thing that she was wearing with the buckles and the box news hair it was so crazy that it threw me off and then i rewound it and i tried to listen again but i couldn't stop staring at the dress and i started thinking who sells this?

11:42Ronnie Karam: Where do you even buy this? Like, this is horrible. Like, what kind of baby Jane-ass store is selling this thing in the first place? And then I start going into conspiracy theories about that, and it's like, somebody making her dress like this? And why is she dressing like this? What's wrong with her? And then I start going into a spiral of, like, how could I ever believe somebody that dressed like this? Like, has Gretchen been off the show long enough that I forget that she's also a fucking liar? You know? And also, the biggest...

12:07Ben Mandelker: But Tamara's a liar, too. Well, Tamara is, too. spent all last episodes saying that she doesn't drink anymore and she's sober and you will never see me like this and now oh by the way i did have a xanax and i had some drinks it's like but to be fair you're allowed to lie if you're an alcoholic that's kind of part of but they're all we have to they all shift their reality and their truths and they lie all the time and i actually think it's hilarious it was it was very funny it's it's hilarious the way they do it and are always clutching their pearls like me well i never said that it's like it was on camera you guys are such idiots oh i thought it was great i thought it was like a commentary on like post-modern storytelling

12:50Ronnie Karam: or whatever it just was so good well it was very funny and uh two judgy girls call it courtney said that they call it loser on loser crime like you can't let yourself get upset because it's loser on loser crime. I think that's such a great term. And it's so fitting for this show because I was really worked up and I'm pissed because the first episode of that came out already and the next one doesn't come out, I think, until tomorrow. So it sucks or whenever, maybe today, because we're recording this a little bit early. So whenever this thing comes out, I'm already wrong. Everyone knows I'm wrong as they're listening, if that makes any sense.

13:25Ronnie Karam: So it's just, you know, it's just sucks for me, but it's also great for me as an audience member because what an episode. So let's get going. We just had Tamara run out of the restaurant screaming,

13:37Gretchen Rossi: You'll never see my face again, bitches. Is somebody going to get me an Uber? Why do I have to get my own Uber?

13:45Ben Mandelker: It's not normal. I am worried right now. Look how worried I am.

13:54Gretchen Rossi: Did you see on Instagram she put that it's been a long run? Peace out. I'm out. She had a story about Gretchen, and when Gretchen's in Believer, she got mad. Gretchen's like, um, I'm gonna believe my friend who hasn't hurt me. Okay, that's who I'm gonna believe.

14:11Tamra Judge: Well, it was so clear that with, like, Kiki Monique, like, you weren't the one who said it. But, like, at the table, she went back on that, and she was like, what if Gretchen did tell Katie this? Like, she drinks, and she's, like, nasty. Like, who can I, like, she's like, who can I poke, right?

14:27Ben Mandelker: And Heather's like, something turned it. I know. I saw it. I saw it all happen. And of course, by something turned it, I mean turned Wendy Malick's face from normal to old and wretched. Is that what we're talking about? No?

14:41Gretchen Rossi: I mean, I know she's going to therapy and she's working on shit, but you can't be a dick. You can't be a dick. And Emily's like, oh, you can. You can be a dick, but you gotta apologize for being a dick.

14:52Ben Mandelker: That's how I do it. You don't apologize and you can't be a dick. By the way, you're not allowed to be a dick. But people are, like, if you were allowed to be a dick, you wouldn't have to apologize for it. I know. Well, also,

15:05Ronnie Karam: I love that Gina and Emily are looking like the non-dicks in this episode. You're both dicks too, Gina. I know you had one good episode and I'll give you credit for that. But you, ma 'am, are also a dick. So let's not forget about that. You know, and that's another thing. You can never forget on these shows, you're all dicks. Okay? And I can never let myself forget again.

15:24Ben Mandelker: You two are the ones snickering in the corner at Heather's birthday party about Gretchen's face. so don't forget so now it's the morning in New Orleans people are waking up Jen wakes up with the voodoo doll in her bed and she's like well I swear

15:39Tamra Judge: I didn't stick a pin in the voodoo Jennifer to get Tamara out of here but it's more peaceful here like going home was the smartest thing she's ever done

15:46Gretchen Rossi: thank you Tamara I just want to thank you I just want to thank you for going home and to my little doll Jennifer in bed with me how did you get a cut fitness shirt and little pieces of Tamara's weave

15:57Ben Mandelker: that's crazy that's crazy thank you you look great the little doll is like oh my god i woke

16:03Gretchen Rossi: up next to my former fatty photo so then it's a fatty photo fatty photo so she calls ryan and

16:14Ronnie Karam: she's like oh my god ryan have you been on social um we went to dinner and she was biting on everyone and oh my god and then gina said you're not going to sit at my table and come and slosh and then she left and then Gina tried to take the table home because she has kids. It was very very traumatic.

16:30Ben Mandelker: And so then Gretchen calls Slade who now has a mustache and she's like, okay, listen, I know

16:35Ronnie Karam: someone who's also got an awkward mustache at the moment because of a middle age crisis. Listen, I don't know that I'm pulling it off or not. I'm not going to be my own judge of jury. Some people pull it off. Some people don't. Slade, you look like Ned Flanders. You got it. You are totally Flandersing it up. You can't do this to yourself, Slade. The one thing you have going for you is that you're handsome. Get rid of the Flanders stash. No offense, Ned Flanders, because you're hot in your own way.

17:01Ben Mandelker: He can do a mustache, but not that mustache. That was a Flanders mustache because he already has Ned Flanders hair, and he honestly has Ned Flanders bone structure. Hally doodly, neighbor. The worst Ned Flanders of all time. It's Slade Smiley. Well, I mean, Ned Flanders, Slade Smiley, it sort of matches. Name-wise, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

17:23Tamra Judge: So Gretchen's like, what in the serious hell monkey with this stash slayed? I'm freaking exhausted. Dude, Tamara drops this bombshell that Katie tried to sell a story. And I feel like she was trying to start a fight with me and Katie. And then she says, I'm done. I'm leaving. I'm quitting this show. I don't even know if she's here.

17:45Ronnie Karam: I like when Gretchen tries to be smart and put stuff together.

17:48Gretchen Rossi: She's like, I felt like she was trying to maybe start a fight with me and Katie. You think, Gretchen? Like, ding, ding, ding.

17:57Ben Mandelker: You're on it. I was really on it. Slade's like, yeah, her lies and manipulations are catching up with her. So I'm really loving this keeping Slade limited to a single FaceTime per episode. They're doing a really strong job of just keeping the focus on Gretchen and not Slade. Because Slade was always the one who dragged her down. and now that we have just really a focus on Gretchen, I'm actually a little surprised that she's not a full-fledged housewife because she's really very central to this season, but I'm also glad because if she were, then we'd have a lot more Slade and it would be...

18:30Ronnie Karam: I thought she was a full-time housewife. She's a friend of?

18:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she doesn't have an opening card or anything. She's a friend of.

18:37Ronnie Karam: Oh, I thought she was a full-timer. The Slade thing is funny to me because they're very tricky with keeping Slade off camera a lot, not letting him get in the mix, but then finding out in this episode how in the mix he really is. And that makes so much sense, you know, that he's really back there pulling all the strings because it's very Slade what happens. So then we go to Katie talking to Matt and she's, she's telling us, um, I didn't tell Kiki Monique period. I didn't do it. Katie, you're such a fucking liar. Katie in the same episode that she's found out lies another 15 times.

19:13Ben Mandelker: She also, I mean, this is Katie's thing. She's like, I never said that. I never did that okay I did that and I'm really sorry I really am sorry but I won't do it again yeah I really didn't do that I really didn't do this other thing okay I did but I only did it to one person only one for I only told Matt and I'm sorry I genuinely am sorry about that and then we get a pretty good look

19:38Ronnie Karam: into this marriage because she goes we're going to see gators today Matt and one of these bitches is gonna push me in I just know it he's like you push them first. I was like, okay, well, now we see how you two are playing.

19:51Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So now in Shannon's room, Emily comes over and Shannon's like in disarray as usual. Emily's like, you look stunning princess. Oh, well, did Tamara leave? Let's have a flashback to that moment. And then we go to last night in the car where Shannon's reading a text from Tamara that says, I'm leaving at 4am.

20:10Tamra Judge: Come out with cameras. No, you know what? No, no, I am not. I am not You guys, I am not the ride or die. I am no longer Tamra Judge's ride or die. No, hold on one second. We do have to pull over at this door and get her a roast turkey because she didn't get to eat. Okay, so I will bring that for her.

20:27Gretchen Rossi: I'm not going to do just what she wants at the snap of her fingers at four in the morning. I'm just not. But I was on the bar. I was on the bar. I was standing on the bar texting Earl the Pearl about hurricanes. I mean, better late than never.

20:42Tamra Judge: Unfortunately, it was the cocktail. and I showed up a picture and he said, but what about the real hurricane? I said, this is a real hurricane. What, my drink doesn't count anymore? Really, Earl?

20:50Gretchen Rossi: Oh, it just reminds me of Bali when she said, you'll never see me again. And we saw her right after. Who lips?

21:01Ben Mandelker: And then we see the flashback which is so funny.

21:04Tamra Judge: You'll never see me again.

21:06Ben Mandelker: And it's like all echoey and she runs out of the resort. Yeah. So, Emily's like, it's time to go. We gotta go see gators. Are you manifesting? Can you manifest a hairbrush? Yeah, because Shannon sees the time as 11-11.

21:23Tamra Judge: 11-11, manifest. I'm going to manifest maybe just a Snickers bar. I'm just a little bit hungry right now.

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23:50Ben Mandelker: so now everyone's getting in the car uh to go gator gator times and shannon's not ready yet she's like uh looking for lashes and emily is like did you guys see tamra's post from the

24:02Tamra Judge: airport talking about mental health you know what if you're a person who's working on mental health you don't do it on instagram you also don't join the real ass eyes of orange county yeah and i

24:14Ronnie Karam: I think you do do it on Instagram. I see everybody doing it on Instagram. Guys, I'm hurting today. Let's talk about it. That post was so Tamara. It's just like a picture of her giving a side face in the airport.

24:26Gretchen Rossi: Hashtag mental health is important. Everybody's bullying me. Stop the bullying. Hashtag Trevor Project. It gets better, bitch. It gets better.

24:36Tamra Judge: The health is health. Oh, yeah. Well, only old fits have ladies on Instagram. She's having an old lady fit by doing it on Instagram. That's what old ladies do.

24:50Ben Mandelker: I think they really have the fits on Real Housewives. So then another car, Gretchen, is like,

24:57Tamra Judge: She expects us to be all accountable.

24:59Ben Mandelker: And Katie's like, yeah, but then she starts. And if you do it back to her, she runs, which is true. Which is that Tamara pokes and pokes and pokes. And the moment there's any sort of pushback, she has a meltdown and leaves.

25:11Gretchen Rossi: Well, I can't believe how selfish it is for her to leave. I mean, I've been taking up for her. I've been standing up for her. When people say things, I say things back to them. How could she do this to me?

25:28Ben Mandelker: You know, as a big sister to her in the rich sister, poor sister program, I feel betrayed that my mentorship is being flung back in my face. As I was telling my friends, the Trelatos, who have the winery, this poor person, I've put so much effort into her. I've bought her things like forks and knives and spoons and Entenmann's donuts. And this is how she repays me. She's talking about Gina.

25:55Ronnie Karam: Gina's like, wait a minute.

25:58Gretchen Rossi: why are we talking about my two year ago storyline my apologies but meanwhile Katie is lying about this whole thing because I'm calling the journalist

26:08Ronnie Karam: and Gina tells us yeah she called this reputable journalist she just looked up reputable journalist and found somebody and they verified what Tamara is saying there's no

26:22Ben Mandelker: journalist in Gina's Rolodex who I'm going to say is a reputable journalist I'm just going to say that right now. Okay. You are not, you are not reaching out to Diane Sawyer. You're not reaching out to like the ghost of Mike Wallace. You're not doing any of these. You're just reaching out to another one of us.

26:39Ronnie Karam: I just want to know who this reputable journalist is. I have to know who it is. It's like the owner of like silent woman or something.

26:46Ben Mandelker: I know it's probably, it's just like some, I don't know, like someone who has like a freelancer for like the orange county register or something like that i don't know which actually would be reputable but still i just don't believe that gina has access to reputable journalists all the other gossip bloggers and podcasters yeah so shannon calls and she's like oh my god

27:09Gretchen Rossi: did you leave me why did you why would you leave me i was getting ready to go i couldn't find my eyelash and now i'm supposed to figure out how to copy you i don't know how to what am i supposed to do. Get on the bus. I'm so bossy. I'm having a nervous breakdown over here. All right. All right.

27:24Ben Mandelker: We'll see you there. It's this unexplained Shannon sobbing on the phone scene where they're just like, okay, whatever, bye. We don't know why Shannon's sobbing. We don't know what's going on with her. We just know she's crying on the phone. And they're like, okay. It's like 11 a.m. time for her breakdown.

27:45Ronnie Karam: You're just used to Shannon having a breakdown. I think she's crying because Emily just went up to get her and said, okay, meet us downstairs, and then left Shannon because she took forever. Shannon's still expecting everyone to wait around, and they've decided, no, we're not doing that anymore.

28:01Gretchen Rossi: Well, I told her to be ready at noon. Well, we're messing with crocodiles. I can only do one crisis at a time. All right? You guys, we finally got rid of Tamara, and now we're going to have to stare at her Animal Kingdom version all day.

28:16Ben Mandelker: so they arrive at airport adventures airboat which is like sorry airboats get it right ben okay we're trying to work in a tie-in with airboat adventures please airboat adventures we are dressed like crocodiles actually we're dressed like alligators today um we're hoping to get a free uh tour with airboat adventures next time we go to new orleans just putting it out there so this guy Jordan is he's the main guy and they're all piling into their boat he's one of those flat boats with the big giant like fan on the back and then Shannon's like in the car and she's like okay I just

28:53Tamra Judge: driver could you pull over I just I need to do my lashes just please pull over oh god where's the glue I can't find the glue David where's the glue oh my god my eyelash glue is in my butt I totally remember now I sat on my eyelash glue oh god is there anyone who can pull it out.

29:09Ronnie Karam: It is funny that they actually pull over to the side of the road for her to do her eyelashes.

29:14Gretchen Rossi: Oh God, I can't find the glue now. Why can't I find the glue? Somebody call the girl. I knew I got to think about the eyelash glue. I was about to get the eyelash glue.

29:22Ronnie Karam: So back at the gator place, there's like a statue of a gator and Emily's asking the important questions like, is this an actual size of an alligator? That's crazy. Do they eat burritos? Because I have one in my purse. alligator i'm the funny one on the show is this the original is this the original alligator leg or does this alligator have a new whip as a call back you guys in bali i realized i was living in fear and now i don't

29:57Gretchen Rossi: want to do that i'm like i can't think of anything scarier than murky water with alligators so today I'm going to see if I can break through my pain.

30:05Ben Mandelker: Does she, does she know how boats and alligators work? Does she know the alligator is not going to crawl into the boat and is not going to eat up the boat? Like, does she, is she aware about how this process is going to go? Because she is really milking this fear moment a little bit too much, if you ask me.

30:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I've, I feel like the scariest thing about going to see alligators is like looking into an animal that you could turn into with like a week without moisturizer. If you really think about it.

30:32Ben Mandelker: I mean, like Lubriderm, those Lubriderm commercials always had that alligator slinking around. Yeah. It was so funny because watching this whole sequence with the alligators, it was like the first time I was like, oh, look, that alligator is kind of cute. And I realized, oh, that's because I'm watching The Real Housewives of Orange County. And the alternate is just to look over at like Heather Dubrow. I'm like, honestly, Heather Dubrow and the rest of these ladies make the alligators look cute just because they're just so scary. Not that they're ugly. They're beautiful. They're scary, though. and make the, like, oh, look at that cute, cuddly alligator just wants to swim around all day and enjoy itself.

31:08Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

31:08Ronnie Karam: So we get on the boat, and Shanna's still not there, and Emily's like, my pet peeve is people being late. We're leaving. Let's leave Shannon. Let's leave her. And Shannon arrives in some very high heels, for some reason, for an alligator boat, and we just get a,

31:23Gretchen Rossi: and she's like, hi, hi, sorry, sorry, sorry, girls. Sorry, sorry, alligators. Sorry, person on a boat. Are you single? Listen, I've always wanted a man with a giant fan in the back of his car. So this actually could work. Are my eyelashes correct? Oh, hold on. My butt wants to wink at you. It's still there. I couldn't get it off. It was super glue. It was super. The driver gave me lash super glue. So these aren't coming off for a while.

31:49Tamra Judge: Wait a second. Is that John Jansen's son over there? Oh, hi. Hi. Hi. Oh, you know what? It was just a rock sticking out of the swamp.

31:58Gretchen Rossi: Hi, alligator. Hey, I'm a boat person too I have a boat

32:04Tamra Judge: Alligator I love your shirts In fact, I gave John Jansen several of your shirts Is this the Licklis factory? Oh, okay, my bad

32:14Gretchen Rossi: Gina's really mad So, Shanna's like Oh wait, we can't leave What if I need my coat? What if it suddenly gets freezing cold In the middle of Alligator Village? Please, somebody get my coat Okay, thank you So everybody's mad

32:27Tamra Judge: What if it gets freezing cold in the middle of a sunny bayou in the American South?

32:34Gretchen Rossi: What if it starts snowing in this alligator swamp? Does anybody have sunscreen? Does anybody have sunscreen?

32:41Tamra Judge: Oh, should we sing some Christmas carols? It feels like a winter wonderland here in the bayou.

32:49Gretchen Rossi: I can see Sarah Palin's backyard, which is crazy.

32:56Gretchen Rossi: gina are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you are you mad are you mad gina gina's like um this is something that genuinely creates anxiety for me i have anxiety that's my storyline i couldn't get money so anxiety and um i'm really stressed out gina on the heels of

33:16Ben Mandelker: announcing that she was no longer gonna live with fear is now turning this scene into somehow an

33:21Tamra Judge: expression of her anxiety oh my god this is so hard for me to be on a flat bottom tourist boat around animals that can't reach me okay this is hard oh i'm sorry it's because of that's because

33:33Gretchen Rossi: of the water well it's not you it's me oh oh yeah it must be you're afraid of water i get it and well i do still feel bad like i was late just no you should feel bad because you were late you know and you're always late and i could get eaten by a crocodile today and people having fights and being blatant is just like too many things. It's like too many things. I hate when people fight, which is why I called the reporter. That's why I called the reporter. I just hate conflict.

33:59Ben Mandelker: First of all, it's an alligator, not a crocodile, Gina. And second of all, we should be so lucky if you got eaten by one today during the show. The first person to ever get spit back out. I know, that's the thing. You're going to need some more scalp treatments, honey. It's like a bitchy alligator. It's like, I'm not eating that. I feel bad.

34:21Tamra Judge: So Shad Shad's like, oh, well, I'm sorry. I had an anxiety attack. So if you want to play the anxiety game, well, let's double or nothing, bitch. Because I had an actual anxiety attack that was based off of real things. I'm going to link mine to a DUI. So enjoy your alligator anxiety. Mine is related to DUI and by extension, John Jansen.

34:45Gretchen Rossi: I couldn't even breathe. Am I breathing right now? Can somebody hold glass under my nose? Am I breathing? Have I died? And then she tells us, oh, ever since my DUI, I've been having anxiety attacks. I just, I haven't had time to process it.

35:00Ronnie Karam: How much time do you fucking need? How many martinis do you need to process your DUI? You got a DUI. You could have killed somebody. You had a house. You had a fucking DUI with your dog in the car. Why do we have to feel sorry for you for having a DUI? That is the craziest shit I've ever heard. She talks like she's just come back from NAMM for a year.

35:20Gretchen Rossi: She's like, well, after everything I've gone through, you did it to yourself.

35:26Tamra Judge: I just, I haven't had time to process it, even though I spent a whole last year processing it on TV.

35:34Ben Mandelker: So they're like, okay, fine. So they start speeding through the bayou, looking at gators. And of course, Heather's like, I don't like it. I do not like this at all I don't like this too fast I don't want to be on water in the first place and now we're gliding by a shipwreck I was like that is so mean to say that about Gina just try to get along with her

35:56Ronnie Karam: I like that they show an actual boat that's just capsized for no reason we never find out what it is it's not like a pirate set piece I thought they were going to cut to a set piece of a pirate ship but no it's just someone's boat that's tipped over it's like This doesn't bode. Well, this does not bode. Do you understand? So they see something flip in the water. And then we see an alligator.

36:21Gretchen Rossi: And Gina's like, oh, my God. I don't like that at all. I'm trying to be brave. I'm feeling anxiety right now. Oh, my God. Even that alligator is mad that Shannon's knee.

36:31Ben Mandelker: It's like a small, cute alligator basking in the sun on the side. And they're all like, oh, my God. It's like a baby. It's a tiny, cute alligator.

36:39Tamra Judge: and she's like oh my god no no my god this is like really hard from like my post-battle anxiety like i can't do this anymore i called a very reputable journalist and he said the alligators

36:53Ronnie Karam: were coming to kill us all so when the start a little baby starts coming at them and they're

36:59Gretchen Rossi: like oh my god and then gina's like oh my god where's the mom and the dad hey how many of you Just share a room.

37:09Ben Mandelker: And Katie goes, it looks vacant and small. I'm like, that's sort of what I say about Gretchen. She's like, I want to see a real one. So then there's one in the water.

37:22Tamra Judge: And then she's like, oh my God, where's the mom and the dad? Is the mom like really crazy and like screwing everyone up with like divorce papers and stuff?

37:32Ben Mandelker: And the guy's like, well, actually, with alligators, every male is a deadbeat dad. Oh, well, a little John Jansen in the bayou today, huh? Now Tamara can just refer to Slade as an alligator. She doesn't have to say deadbeat anymore. 31, queen of sarcasm.

37:54Ronnie Karam: Well, the mother will protect the nest, you know, that's how moms are. And Heather's like, that resonates.

37:59Gretchen Rossi: That resonates. I will protect my nest as well. Hey, alligator, you should write an autobiography.

38:07Ronnie Karam: We'll have a party for it at Nobu. It's going to be amazing.

38:10Ben Mandelker: Is that alligator's nest within view of Drake alligator's nests? Just wondering.

38:19Gretchen Rossi: So Gina's like, wow, the more you just sit here with alligators, the more comfortable you are with them.

38:26Ronnie Karam: Like, yeah, you all seem fine with Tamara. I mean, my God, that's like the most horrifying creature on this channel. And everyone's just fine with Tamara now. You know, even when Tamara comes in screaming and yelling, you just get used to it. Yeah.

38:38Ben Mandelker: But also, you're not like swimming in the murky waters with these alligators. You're on a flat boat and perfectly safe. So you don't get any sort of like medal of honor for just like going on a very standard tourist experience. Yeah.

38:51Ronnie Karam: So back at the hotel, Emily calls Shane while she's in bed with Gina. and um she's like what she's like oh you don't look very excited to see me i'm busy i'm busy over here okay it's like yeah thanks for calling what are you busier than me i've got kids i've got family i've got workers here she's like oh he really misses me oh yeah and she talks about um

39:17Ben Mandelker: she's asking questions about luke she's talking about like his arfit and like you know the link to autism and she feels really guilty being on this trip and uh shane's like well i have dogs and workers and kids it's a lot going on here and lots of humor too god america isn't he just so

39:37Ronnie Karam: funny yeah she's like love you say about shane i mean just hangs up on her so now let's go to bourbon house seafood emily is wearing these heels that looks like she's been captured by pirates and is about to be thrown overboard. I've never seen heels with like manacles. Like it looked like she was chained to something. They were huge, thick manacles on the ankles. I did not see them. You do. You know, Orange County fashion is like Gina being around alligators where you just get used to it and you stop noticing it as much.

40:11Ben Mandelker: It's like, oh, it's totally normal. I mean, Emily is definitely going for some looks this season. There's that one confessional look where I was like, oh, well, this is this is a choice emily you know what is it the one with her hair in the top ponytail or

40:25Ronnie Karam: something she needs to not do that what what is that look look i think emily's a beautiful she looks she's a beautiful woman i really do think that but her um she looks like a shrunken

40:36Ben Mandelker: head or something with that in that look i don't know what it is weird it's not a hit it's not a hit um so they go and heather is like oh fried oysters that's what new orleans is known for right i love it they call these what i love about this is people say i live in my own world around rich people but what a rich person would someone like that ever come to new orleans and order a poor boy sandwich i don't think so i love one of the poor boys please now do these sandwiches can they be hired as servants? Can the poor boys drive cars? Ma 'am.

41:14Ronnie Karam: We call these Alfredo sandwiches at home. Just stuff Alfredo full of shrimp and call it a staff meal. Okay. And Emily's like, wow, really lovely. Really lovely, isn't it? Everybody like Heather said, oh, it's so lovely. I'm so fancy. I ordered fried oysters. I'm going to put a fried oyster in my purse. Stop making fun of me. sometimes I feel like you say things to me that if I said to you it wouldn't be okay Emily she's like I can take a joke can we please order Emily some size 12 jeans how dare you how dare you

41:49Ben Mandelker: no I can take a joke I can take a joke okay good because your hair looks like snuffle off because today snuffle off I guess how dare you how dare you and Gina's like choking on something and

42:02Ronnie Karam: making a big scene and others like are you choking your peristolstice isn't working what's happening what is peristolstice by the way peristolstice i don't know what peristolstice is but in 1997 i did

42:18Ben Mandelker: film a television pilot called emergency doc and it was emergency comma doc and it was me with patrick dempsey smiling at each other and i did have a very funny line where i said your peristolstice isn't working because otherwise you'd be making out with me unfortunately cbs did not pick it up to

42:36Ronnie Karam: order actually let me confirm peristalsis is a series of wave-like muscle contractions that move food through the digestive tract and other tubular organs like the esophagus and the uterus the ureters ureters it's an involuntary process that's crucial for digestion sees Sutton Strack on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, which I'm still not on and I'm very upset about.

43:06Ben Mandelker: What's so funny is that Heather's having this like, this sort of stern moment with Emily and I bet in her mind she's thinking, this is great. This will be the centerpiece of the episode. But it's just like treated as this like random backdrop to like Gina, like hacking up along, like she's like choking on an oyster and you just hear like Gina's like, being a fool. But then you just hear Heather scolding Emily. And she's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's just like how Shannon was just sobbing on the phone and no one's like, oh, that's just what Shannon does. It's like Heather scolding Emily.

43:41Ronnie Karam: How dare you? It's very offensive when you are mean to me. I could do mean things to you. For example, you ask so many questions. For example, I have a question. I have a question. That's you, Emily. That's my imitation of you. How about Dem Apples? How does that make you feel? Emily's like, okay, Heather, I'm sorry. Thank you. That is all I needed. Thank you. Oh, God, All in a Day's Work. That's a top-rated episode right there.

44:10Ben Mandelker: Which reminds me of the time I was in a pilot with Drew Carey called All in a Day's Work. Unfortunately, I was recast by Nancy Travis.

44:19Ronnie Karam: It was literally All in one Day's Work. So that's not one of my proudest moments. Where's she? Where's Emily Travis? Where's Nancy Travis now? Nowhere. Okay. Well, hey, can I have some milk just to see if Nancy Travis's picture is on the back?

44:36Ben Mandelker: Great. Thank you. Hey, congratulations, Nancy Travis. No one knew for a long time if your name was Travis Nancy or Nancy Travis. Firsty, firsty.

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46:26Tamra Judge: So Gina's like, what if I died listening to Emily fight with Heather Dubrow? What if I died?

46:33Ronnie Karam: Like, I can't. Okay, so they go to the table and they start talking about Tamar. Like, where is she?

46:42Gretchen Rossi: Has anybody talked to her? And she was like, no, but when she left, she brought up a rumor that was really horrible. And, like, I was swinging your way, Katie, but, like, I don't know what to do now. But in my heart, like, I gotta know. So I called the journalist.

46:56Ronnie Karam: And you just see Katie's face, like, oh, God. Oh, God, I'm already caught. Can I just have one oyster?

47:04Tamra Judge: Yeah, last night I said, what is happening? And he said that Kiki and Katie went to lunch, and seven minutes into lunch, Katie said, like, on naked waisted that like Gretchen suspected that like she had been like woofied and like she went to the hospital and Kitty goes that didn't happen though

47:20Ben Mandelker: it was happy hour not lunch this whole story just needs to be dismissed.

47:26Gretchen Rossi: It's a very credible journalist Kitty okay like very very very credible like this journalist served in Iraq okay

47:36Tamra Judge: yeah very very good it was it was Bob Woodward and call Bernstein Lover. I mean, we really got there. I love that Gina would know that. I know. Gretchen's like,

47:48Gretchen Rossi: but that credible journalist, if they're credible, quoted and unquoted then why did they call me? Like, nobody called me about it. And Gina's like, well, no, they didn't call you because they're not going to print it because they know it's on the air. They know it's on the air, so they're not going to print it. If it's a lie, then why are we talking about it? She's like, well, if you don't yeah, then like, she sat at lunch and said that about you. Then like, oh, yeah. Gretchen's like, I need proof. I need proof that this is the truth.

48:20Ben Mandelker: And Heather's like, well, you have Kiki's number. Why don't you use it?

48:23Tamra Judge: And Shannon goes, well, text her. Text her and walk to another room. Walk to another room and call her. And if you have to cry to her, you can do that too. I've done that many times. So Jen is like, yeah, you need to. Go give her a heads up.

48:36Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't know if I can actually call her. I mean, I do have her phone number, but you know, it's, I mean, it's just time differences. There's that, um, you know, like, I don't know. How will she know it's me?

48:47Ben Mandelker: I'm afraid, you know, I'm, I'm Verizon. She's AT &T.

48:50Ronnie Karam: I'm not sure you can really. It's very difficult. I'm out of minutes. I'm out of minutes. Is there a wifi in here? If only there was wifi in here, I could call her. Just not getting any reception. It's rough. It's not funny. My phone just doesn't work. Yeah. My phone doesn't work. Whoops. My phone died. Sorry, everybody.

49:07Gretchen Rossi: Well, here's the battery.

49:08Ronnie Karam: my phone fell in water. It's waterproof. Okay. My phone has been stepped on by me. I can't.

49:15Ben Mandelker: Oh, unfortunately, my phone was trampled by a Mardi Gras parade passing by in the streets. It just cannot be used.

49:25Gretchen Rossi: If I were Katie, I would be calling her and I would be saying, Kiki Monique, why did you say this? I just don't know why my friend wouldn't clear this up with my other friends. This is very important. What's going on with my friend?

49:38Ben Mandelker: And honestly, at this point, like they should be saying, let's remember the whole reason why this came up. This entire thing came up because Tamara was trying to turn Katie and Gretchen against each other. It was to serve a maniacal evil plan to just ruin friendships. That's what this was for. And it was to get revenge on Katie for perceived slights that camera feels. and so like whether katie did say it or didn't say it the fact that they are giving it so much credence and getting so mad about it is actually just supporting tamra and i think that's why gretchen just doesn't want to even touch it she's like i'm not going to fall into tamra's plan of having you guys turn against me even if she did say this i'm just not going to let on that i that i said it or care whatever and then gina's gina's like um well i'm sorry katie's like do you like Gina says, do you need blood?

50:29Ben Mandelker: Think to yourself, do you ever tell a story? Do you ever tell a story? And Katie's like, well, you told us that story at Mastro's. She said that to Gretchen because Gretchen apparently sat them all down. And Katie tells us that Jen, Ryan, Gretchen Slade, Matt and her all went to Mastro's and Gretchen's Mastro's.

50:50Ronnie Karam: God, so much shit goes down at Mastro's on these shows. So much shit goes down at Mastro's.

50:55Ben Mandelker: smashed rose anything that's in that like costa mesa mall it's gonna it's gonna happen or it's

51:01Ronnie Karam: the fine spectrum and jen's like yeah she said she was really sick from drinking that's what i remember her saying i mean was that conveyed to be more was it more than that and uh jen's like listen she never said she was roofied i was sitting right there and we all know that i remember things we all know that and gady's like um okay audience i'm gonna use heather's line let me be clear okay Gretchen said she felt sick she went to the hospital they did a toxicology report and they found drugs in her system there that's it I said it okay but you're kind of outing yourself because that's basically saying she got roofied so then who did tell Katie Kiki Monique that told this other guy it was you so why are you still lying about it but it's not quite the same as

51:46Ben Mandelker: saying you got roofied because it still offers some wiggle room like there was drugs she had Maybe it was medication. Maybe it was something else. Like she drank, she drank, and maybe there was a reaction. Who knows?

51:57Ronnie Karam: If you tell a group of people that night at Naked Wasted, I went to this thing. They plied me with drinks. I got so sick I had to go to the hospital. I had them run a toxicology report, and they did, in fact, find drugs in my system. That's accusing somebody of re-fingering. To me, that's a pretty clear-cut case.

52:16Ben Mandelker: It's very close, but I think that in the court of housewives, you still have wiggle room out of that. And in fact, they all are using this. They're all like, roofie was probably not ever said. And so that's what's like, well, she never said roofied. And that's why Katie's like, I never said roofied. What it is was that there was drugs in the system. And the implication is roofie. But if you drill down, it actually could not mean that at all. but letting it hang there which is a classic housewives move is an implication that they all

52:48Gretchen Rossi: then go and run with so gene is like well everyone keeps coming into my ears about katie and i like about katie and i feel like you don't want me to like her oh no gene uh gretchen says that sorry and gene is like yeah but i was open like you came to me about timra and i was open and i listened to you but then when i came to you about um you know when i came to you about this you're not open and it makes me think that maybe you did say something to Katie Gretchen.

53:16Ronnie Karam: And then Gretchen's like,

53:17Gretchen Rossi: you guys defend your friend Tamara and I can't defend my friend.

53:20Ronnie Karam: And I'm like, whoa, we hold Tamara accountable. You will hold Katie accountable. Hold her accountable.

53:26Ben Mandelker: You literally never hold Tamara accountable. Never. You just follow her around. We've watched for season after season as Tamara has like gone after people like Shannon, et cetera. And like, you just don't, you don't hold her accountable in the same way. You may give her like a slap on the wrist here or there, but you don't hold her accountable.

53:44Tamra Judge: So Gretchen is like, Katie hasn't done anything to me. Tamara has done something to everyone at this table.

53:51Ben Mandelker: And it like hits them all like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And they still don't think to themselves, wow, yeah, Tamara's garbage. We shouldn't be friends with her anymore. They're like, okay. Well, anyway, moving on.

54:04Gretchen Rossi: Gretchen's like, no, I can't eat. When I'm with these people, I can never eat. I just want to believe my friend and not the person who's proven to be a liar and a manipulator and conniving person. Like, who are you going to believe, America?

54:16Ronnie Karam: And so Heather's like, well, you know what? We've been scared and we've been honest about this with you, Katie. We're just very, very terrified of you because what? What? What's next? What is going to happen next?

54:31Tamra Judge: I can promise you the truth will come out. Okay, guys. Well, thanks for commenting, New Orleans. We're all going to be traveling back a little bit lighter. No, we've eaten so many beignets.

54:46Ben Mandelker: And scene. Great episode, guys.

54:50Ronnie Karam: It's going to go down as one of the Heather Dubrow, Emily whatever her name is, fights of the century.

54:58Ben Mandelker: I'm so glad we were able to find peace and resolve after that vicious trailer centering fight. that Emily and I had about how she makes fun of me and how she can't take a laugh.

55:11Ronnie Karam: So now we go back to Orange County and we get the like, oh, everybody is getting reacquainted with their loved ones. Jen is telling Ryan she wrote a cock and he's like, wow. Huh?

55:23Ben Mandelker: It explains last week when we're like, cock, but it's a bull. Why are they calling it a cock? Because it was a mechanical bull that they put chicken feathers on so that they could call it a cock. Sorry, just wanted to clarify. Just want to circle back to a loose end from last week. Thank you so much, everyone. We're very reputable journalists ourselves.

55:45Ronnie Karam: Lots of apologies today. We're the reputable journalists. We're like we're on the prom. And Ryan's like, wow, you wrote a cog? Maybe tonight you could try writing it. Shut up. So then Shannon calls Sophie and said, well, I just got back from

56:00Gretchen Rossi: New Orleans. Sophie, you can't hear me? you can't hear Sophie go outside and listen to your mother Sophie go outside oh god Sophie just have another cocktail okay

56:11Ronnie Karam: and then Sophie just lifts a beer up to the camera and is like yeah mom

56:17Gretchen Rossi: that is so fun are you driving a car right now you are

56:23Tamra Judge: hilarious I remember that when you do this I have to laugh to show that this is funny to me and I'm not reflecting on how lonely I am in my house right now and how I can't drink when the cameras are here otherwise I face the judgment of the American people. So I'll just laugh because I'm so happy. I'm happy. I'm happy.

56:45Ronnie Karam: So Gina gives her kids gator

56:47Gretchen Rossi: gear and they're like, oh my god, that's gross. I'm like, oh, look at that. You can use a nose picker.

56:54Ronnie Karam: And then we get very dramatic music, but they're still playing the old B-roll footage of hot people doing things. It's like, someone has died it's like a hot shirtless guy playing basketball like you guys might need some

57:08Ben Mandelker: more depressing b-roll footage if we're gonna play this music but the best part was yeah like they they showed these hot guys shirtless playing basketball and this hot guy goes and he like does like a layup and just totally misses the basket i was like oh well maybe it was more more of a fitting intro to a tamra scene just missing the layup like you can be hot but you just got immortalized as someone who can't get the ball in the basket.

57:35Ronnie Karam: Hello there. This is a two-part recap, okay? This is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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1:00:27Ben Mandelker: Please don't stop. It's solely in pop. Let's take off with Tam La Plain. It's always a good time when you're wasting time with Bravo. She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar. We love you guys. This episode is sponsored by McDonald's. I'm having my hot Caesar summer, Ronnie. Yes. Caesar sauce. I feel like we don't talk about Caesar sauce enough because it's so, so good. I love to dip everything into it. Have you ever dipped fries in Caesar sauce before?

1:00:55Ronnie Karam: I mean, I just have. It is delicious. Caesar sauce is like a Parmesan, garlicky blend with some lemon in it. And you can dip anything in there.

1:01:04Ben Mandelker: One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go to the drive-thru and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the Caesar sauce. Also, the Krispy's drips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good.

1:01:18Ronnie Karam: Listen, I say if you put Caesar sauce on something, that automatically makes it better. But yes, that's really all you need is the Caesar sauce.

1:01:26Ben Mandelker: I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times.

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