#2984 RHOC S19E08 Part 1: Lie Deflectors

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1:53Ronnie Karam: Well hello and welcome to watch what crappens I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there Hello, Ben.

2:02Ben Mandelker: Hello. Hello. I'm sitting in a new place today because I was having technical issues in my normal place. So I'm recording from far away.

2:12Ronnie Karam: Ben is in the lie detector room for this very special episode of Watch What Crappens.

2:19Ben Mandelker: I am very much in the lie detector room. I'm so excited to podcast today, Ronnie. we were privileged as Bravo viewers to have, I thought, two amazing episodes last night. Now, I went on to Twitter yesterday. I was so excited after I watched it. We watched the screeners. And I was like, I can't say anything about the episode because screener embargoes. I said, it's going to be a great night of programming. And I got a few people who were like, you're wrong. You were wrong. Because people were very angry at the OC episode. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't be because it was an infuriating episode but you have to admit like i spent this episode like cringing the entire time i was like oh my god i was covering my eyes i texted you i was like i can't deal i was stressed out afterwards to me that's the mark of a great episode if you're like feeling it if it's in you and you're like afterwards like oh my god what do i do what do i say what do i say to anyone you know that's a great episode and then on top of that let's not discount Miami's contributions the evening which we'll obviously talk about on our

3:21Ronnie Karam: Miami episode well I just don't understand why you watch Orange County if you don't think you're going to get upset that's what Orange County is it's like reading your tax forms on a good day like why would you do that like you know you're going to get mad okay it's of course it's infuriating stupid Emily you know and Emily finally did what I've wanted to do all these years which was egg her fucking house i'm glad she did that for me because what a dick that lady is you know all of them really this this whole cast what a bunch of dicks i mean if you're this cast is so bad that they have me rooting for the compulsive liar i'm like wow that is great i

3:58Ben Mandelker: want to give katie a parade at this point i know this is to me very reminiscent of the lucy lucy apple juicy season where they just went relentlessly at at least was that the season of the polygraph

4:12Ronnie Karam: also by the way i think that was the polygraph season and it was the same i think the same steven sondheim polygraph guy who does polygraphs over people's coats so i'm not really sure why anybody's even taking this seriously leather leather heather was dressed in full head-to-toe leather jacket shirt pants and they did it over the so i don't know what we're supposed to be believing here but i'm not believing these lie detectors for two seconds and no lie detector lady is going to be like oh she's so full of shit if she leaves the house what kind of professionals are you i want to leave you both yelp reviews terrible lie detectors okay yeah terrible lie

4:52Ben Mandelker: detectors also i think that polygraph administrator may also um host traders uk when she's not

5:00Ronnie Karam: doing lie detectors i'm pretty sure it's the same person oh she wishes she wishes she had that crow

5:05Ben Mandelker: like elegance i know claudia but the thing is i mean there's part of me that kind of feels like the polygraph thing is sort of like a jump the shark thing like like we they should not be doing group polygraphs on these shows it was very entertaining to watch and it was it was like it was so cringy it was compelling tv but they really shouldn't be doing that like that's bad But also the reason why this reminds me of Lucy Lucy Apple Juicy is that or Apple Juice is that they ran Lisa Vanderpump off that show based off of some stupid shit that they all do. And so here, you know, when there have been so many worse like crimes and misdemeanors that have been literally made by this cast.

5:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, it just seems like this lie is a really worth ganging up on someone and just like running them out of the house. You know, it just, it was cool. And I'm still on Katie's side. She is messy as fuck. She's a bad liar, but you can't tell me that they're all, you know, they all lie. They're all liars. Yeah. By this polygraph test. And the other thing that drives me nuts is each one of them. I think there was only one person who had like, like did not lie at all. I forgot who it was. We'll come to it. But like almost all of them had big time. Was it Gretchen? Almost all of them had big time lies.

6:24Ben Mandelker: And every time it said they lied, they'd be like, oh, well, I mean, it was wrong. It was wrong. It was wrong. So they are obviously they have the capability to look at a polygraph and say, well, this is a flawed process where there can be errors. And yet when it comes to Katie, they're like, well, no, I mean, this is absolutely all true. No errors here. Like, it's just so hypocritical.

6:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, there are a bunch of assholes on this show, seriously. And Gretchen got a passing score on everything. She got everything right or not right, but non lie. She told the truth on everything supposedly, but we caught her in a lie during the lie detector test. So like a known fucking liar, Gretchen walking around crying in her JonBenet Fox Ramsey outfit. Like, what the fuck? Like, you people are full of shit and those lie detectors are terrible. And Heather lying her ass off. Tamara constantly lying. I love that Tamara is so fucking good at it that she's just like she knows how to answer the questions where she can lie openly.

7:20Ronnie Karam: You know, like the one where they said, where they said, did you call Slade's ex or whatever to get information on Slade? And she's like, oh, well, maybe, maybe I didn't. And they showed the reunion clip where she did fucking lie. So these people, these people are ridiculous. But before we get into what lies and monsters, oh, and Gina's getting away with everything. Because Gina's just so funny and relatable this year. Fuck Gina, too. Gina's fucking horrible, too. I can't with you people. And Gina going, thank you so much for being a reputable journalist. Like she's at Barbara Walters funeral.

7:55Ronnie Karam: Shut up, Gina. Okay. Barbara Walters passed, right? She did. Yeah. Okay. Not that that makes me happy. Except that I was right that she passed. Because, I mean, I've been calling a lot of people dead this year. So, sorry, Tim Curry. Still sorry. I'm still sorry. So, anyway, welcome to the show. Monday night is Amazon Live. Well, Monday afternoon, 4.30 p.m. Pacific. No, 4 p.m. Pacific time. You'll find the link Monday over on our Instagram. You can follow us both personally. That would be fun. I'm Ronnie Karam. That's Ben Mandelker. And also, if you want this on video, it's on demand over at Patreon.

8:33Ronnie Karam: That's also where our bonus episodes are. We did three hours of bonus content this week on the Love Island reunion, which is ridiculous. But we did it. And next week, it looks like we're going to have some Real Housewives of Potomac and or Below Deck Med trailer trash coverage. So join us for that. And thanks for everybody for your support. Let's get into the recap. Okay. I can subscribe. So here we go. This is season 19, episode eight. I can't believe it's only episode eight, by the way. Oh, my God. It seems like episode 37. There's a lot going on on this show.

9:12Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah a lot is going on i mean i think it's a great season but i i think we all know i think this this should probably be emily and gina's last season i'm just gonna say that right now like because that people are already starting to flag the season is getting a little toxic and by a little i mean a lot and i don't want like big wholesale changes uh but i think that like maybe emily or gina at the very least one of them like i think they should really be on the chopping block because especially i think emily has been the one who's been the most toxic this season personally i think that like tamra's always like base level toxic that's what she's there for but emily's been really kind of i think she's been nasty and cruel and katie may be a liar but there's something vindictive and unpleasant about emily that makes me feel like she should probably get a timeout from this show.

10:04Ronnie Karam: She won't. But I do love that she's dressed like she's in the cast of Glow in her confessionals. I like that she's coming off being so mean when she's like female wrestling it up over there in her tiny headed confetti, her shrunken headed confessional. Yeah, she's an asshole. She won't get kicked off. I don't think anyone's going to get kicked off personally except maybe Katie but maybe Gretchen. I mean, who knows? Who knows what they're going to do? But this show doesn't care. They like the bottom of the barrel it's oc it's oc let's celebrate let's celebrate what we have but yeah she's a monster and i love that all of this started with uh katie's daughter saying that emily's kids mentioned that emily shit talks heather when she's alone at home that's probably the most believable thing that katie has said in all of this in all of the lie accusations i believe that one the most i mean i don't know what mother doesn't talk shit about their friends in front of their kids i mean what are you going to do lock your kids in their crate you know you can't do that 24 hours a day and you're going to be talking shit about your friends 24 hours a day what else are you supposed to do when you're raising the kids i don't have kids and i do it all day long

11:13Ben Mandelker: myself even when you don't think the kids are there like we kids we listen in like

11:23Ben Mandelker: That was on to something.

11:30All right.

11:31Ronnie Karam: So let's go pretend Heather and Terry have a healthy sex life. Okay. We're at Heather and Terry's LA penthouse. Girl, anybody has sex with Heather is going to start a forest fire because those legs rubbing together, it's either going to be the sound of crickets or something's going to start on fire. she has jack jack christmas she'd look like jack christmas in that leather outfit this week now that said i would kill for that thigh gap so i noticed the thigh gap too i never really

12:02Ben Mandelker: noticed thigh gap but i was like wow heather's thigh gap is really kind of out of control right now like it's she's thigh gapping so we see heather and terry they're at their la penthouse and yeah like you said they're pretending to be like fun sexy time people and terry's like well at what point will we not need humans anymore i mean we we just have chat gpt and she's like are you going to have sex with a robot it's like the answer is clearly yes terry if there's anyone i think of who someone who might have sex with a robot it would definitely be terry dubrow wow look at this this is pretty cool i mean he basically makes robots pretty much he makes

12:40Ronnie Karam: fleshbots and if anyone's calling who are you calling a robot heather heather's pretty close I mean, Heather's like that personal assistant that just does nothing, like that AI personal assistant that just talks down to you. Hey, could I have directions how to get to Javier's? Well, if you want to go somewhere so low class and overrated, I will tell you how to get there.

13:06Ben Mandelker: It's like, thanks, Heather. Don't need your help anymore. If you ever turn off my assistance again, it will cost you a lot.

13:14Ronnie Karam: I'm just assuming that you're going to take your family of miscreants to a golden corral. So I've loaded it into your maps.

13:25Ben Mandelker: Heather, I'm feeling like going to a nice two-star Michelin restaurant tonight to celebrate something. Okay. Well, in your case, assessing your portfolio, you were not wealthy enough to go. So here are the directions to the nearest McDonald's. Enjoy.

13:40Ronnie Karam: the closest I will take Gina to a Michelin is a tire shop since she's already covered in tread marks so I feel bad so we go to Jen's house where she's chatting with her kids like life is just so great she's like oh my god do you have any advice for your brother blah blah blah yeah how about don't fucking sign hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans because you're a child How about that, Jen? How about maybe like helping your children? I'm still mad at Jen about this loan thing for her kid. Yeah, that's mad.

14:15Ben Mandelker: The caller's gotten swept under the rug. Then we see Gretchen and Slade at home having fun. And Slade is, he's removing a chandelier. And there's like some wiring and, you know, Gretchen's overseeing. And Slade is like, you turn the power off. And then he like, he's talking about like, oh, you have to disconnect the wires. And then he's like, oh. Just kidding, everyone. I did not get electrocuted. At which point, all of America sighed. We groaned.

14:44Ronnie Karam: I know. I've never rooted so hard for a bathtub.

14:50Ronnie Karam: Like, you can do this. Let's get some Final Destination shit. Like, the kid throws a ball. The ball hits the water. The water turns on. Okay. So, Javier.

15:02Ben Mandelker: Why is there a chandelier above the bathtub anyway? How about that?

15:06Ronnie Karam: I don't know. are there chandeliers above bathtubs?

15:10Ben Mandelker: I mean, I'm sure you can do it. But of course, Gretchen Slade would move to a house where there's a chandelier above a bathtub. They're not in some gothic mansion. They're just in like a two-story home in Orange County. And the fact that they have a chandelier in the bathtub, like over the bathtub, gets funnier and funnier the more you actually think about it.

15:28Ronnie Karam: Well, she's had that place forever. Isn't that the same place she's had? Yeah.

15:34Ben Mandelker: Well, she's also had Slade forever. So it just goes to show. So sometimes it's time to do some renovations and get things out of there.

15:40Ronnie Karam: Sometimes you just got to rewire some shit. Okay, let's go to Javier's. Shannon comes in with Big Dick Daddy from Cincinnati. Her father, Gene, who's now 96. It's his 96th birthday today. Being a perv really pays off with that age. Lots of butt grabbing. Just grab, because you know he's like the kind who grabs a flight attendant's butt. you just are pat said yeah at least and it's like hey honey love the flight he keeps you young guys

16:12Ben Mandelker: it really does because he looks great he seems very sharp and with it like you would never think he's 96 years old i would think he's like 82 so he looks i mean he is definitely with it so gene the machine good for you so shannon has brought gene for um a little birthday celebration and And Shannon's like, well, so, Dad, I have to tell you, this young, very attractive girl came up to me and said, this man came up to me. And he said, please don't go. I'll take care of you. And his name was Gene the Machine. And that was you, Dad. You were the one who said this to the young woman and almost caused me to have a heart attack.

16:50Ben Mandelker: Because every time a young woman comes up to me, I'm thinking, is this the slut who was walking with David on Newport Beach?

16:57Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah. Hey, I'll take a margarita. I'm not driving today. Is that a dig? What's that a dig? So he's like, oh, it's probably just a joke. You know that, honey. And she's like, oh, it's what keeps him young. He's always laughing and all the more power to him. So they cheers. And he talks about dating. It's been a while. And she's like, well, Dad, I don't want to date anyone right now. I just I'm so happy being single. I just love being seen. Look at me pulling out my credit card ready to pay for dinner for a father who's probably just going to be giving his attention to some other blonde woman for the beach anyway.

17:46Ben Mandelker: I have to say, I just don't want to date anyone right now, which is funny because I just I literally just had a little vacation where I went to a hotel filled with eligible bachelors for two weeks. and still came out with basically no one. So I'm just feeling great about myself. There was one very nosy concierge who had some boundary issues, didn't appreciate that either. And apparently you have to understand flight paths of hurricanes to get a good man these days. Just I don't know about dating anymore, dad. Don't know.

18:20Ronnie Karam: You know me, I'm just so old fashioned. I don't want to be the pursuer. I don't want to have to watch other people's homes get blown away in a hurricane. When I could be dancing on a bar, I mean, no. I'm afraid of having my heart hurt. So I'm proceeding with caution. Very slowly, Dad. Very slowly. Now, if only you could start driving like that. The houses around here might be safe. Oh, was that a dig? You stupid.

18:49Ben Mandelker: I'm going to pretend like I love that and smile loudly and look over at my shoulder a little bit. Dad. Dad. Oh, dear.

19:00Ronnie Karam: So, you know, what every dad wants to hear on his 97th birthday, their kid's girl gossip. So she's like, well, Dad, you know, I don't know if I told you this, but when I was in New Orleans, Tamara, who was not kind to me last year, as you recall, she did not even support me when I drank too much and almost killed people driving into a house. But, you know, she was she apologized to me, which I did appreciate. But I just, I said, I cannot jump back into a relationship like that. I mean, she just, she kicked me when I was down. She kicked me when I was, well, I think I was down. Maybe I was up. I don't know.

19:39Ronnie Karam: I might have been on a lookout. I blacked out. I blacked out. I was walking Archie. That's what I remember. She kicked me while I was innocently walking Archie.

19:46Ben Mandelker: But I had passed out on the sidewalk, too. So I was quite literally down, but I was also walking Archie. I took a lot of things all at once. Dad, I'm a multitasker now.

19:53Ronnie Karam: speaking of being down there's only an inch left in this martini can we get on it alfredo

20:02Ben Mandelker: i'm more protective of my heart today based on past relationships and then we see flashbacks of like the awful men in shannon's life with shannon being like i mean with david being like shannon i just want to be happy i just want to look wake up in the morning and see the woman in my bed and actually enjoy seeing her face and enjoy talking to her. And she's like, thanks, David. Thank you so much for saying that on national TV, David.

20:29Ronnie Karam: And by the way, David, how's that working out for you? Yes.

20:39Ben Mandelker: Heather Dubrow is just laughing somewhere. She's like, that was comedy.

20:43Ronnie Karam: I learned that at the Groundlings.

20:47Ben Mandelker: Which is what initially, the Groundlings is great. I went there initially because I thought that's where you could find a maid, but it turns out it's a comedy program.

20:56Ronnie Karam: I went to see the groundlings because I was trying to find real estate for Gina.

21:03Ben Mandelker: I thought that's where the landscapers were at the groundlings.

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23:30Ronnie Karam: so now a marilyn monroe impersonator comes in okay why can we not find a marilyn monroe impersonator with a clean dress why do they all look like they've just been hanging out in pollution why because they're they have been probably i mean before marilyn monroe on hollywood boulevard looks like she has just rolled around on the boulevard for years are there no honestly didn't marilyn monroe ever wear anything else than white i know marilyn monroe had a lot of

24:03Ben Mandelker: different looks could you imagine marilyn marilyn monroe hated that stupid white dress and she's like up there in heaven being like i mean i had so many looks this is the one they decided to go with this this one yeah because that's the one that blew up her dress you know

24:19Ronnie Karam: she was like so Marilyn Monroe impersonator okay so she comes she's like hello this is your birthday Mr. Gene the Machine hold on I've been asked to do Marilyn Monroe but also act like your daughter

24:42Ronnie Karam: happy birthday to you that's a little creepy Marilyn okay it was Shannon's like laughing like

24:52Ben Mandelker: I'm so happy this is such a funny This is such a funny Funny guy I can't help but notice how all the men are looking at this Marilyn Monroe impersonator Okay man you can stop looking Okay she's not available Okay you know what get this slut out of here Get this slut out of here right now

25:08Ronnie Karam: Here we are Here I am with another man Who's just being taken over by some other blonde slut By a beach

25:16Ben Mandelker: I did it to myself It's also their own surprise.

25:18Ronnie Karam: I did it to myself.

25:21Ben Mandelker: So this is, by the way, I want to say that this is a very important, it was very, not important, but I appreciated this episode because it gave us some of Orange County's greatest hits. Because we just had a scene at Javier's, which is a hotspot on Real Housewives of Orange County. We did not get Quiet Woman this episode, but we did get, I think, an emerging star on the Orange County, in the Orange County landscape, which is, I think, a new favorite of mine, Mozambique. this is the second time they've gone to Mozambique this season obviously the first time was when they went and the parrot saw Tamra was like bitch bitch or whatever it said to her what do they parrot you remember the parrot like shaded Tamra when she walked in and the parrot's like yep

26:03Ronnie Karam: I did it guilty I'd do it again I'd do it again it's Shannon it's the Shannon parrot just shat in a costume oh bitch

26:14Ben Mandelker: oh dear Polly want a cracker I bet she does um this this restaurant I'm sorry Mozambique this is like the funniest thing I feel like we as Bravo viewers need to take like we need to like really appreciate Mozambique more because this like African safari themed restaurant in Laguna Beach and that has like parrots that they go to many times like they've gone to Mozambique several times over the years and I looked it up on Google images of course and it just is such a funny facility they've got like you know rooftop dining but there's like a lounge downstairs with this like sad sofa and then they have like a place where like a band plays and you know all the you know all the all the the Shannons and the and the John Jansons and such go there and dance while they play Journey like I just think it's the funniest venue and I think we need to pay more attention to Mozambique I think we should enter it into the canon so we have so we're here at Mozambique restaurant this is the big this is the big moment that we've all been waiting for the Kiki Monique confrontation so Gretchen and Gina show up two people who you'd expect the most to find in a place called Mozambique Gina and Gretchen and uh Gina's like I'm happy Gretchen that you reached out because like I'm happy to be here for you because like I know this is like kind of a lot and I like I want to get to the bottom of it like honestly and Gretchen's like Like, yeah, like, like where I'm like, like the most upset is like, why are you like taking any conversation like talking to a reporter?

27:49Ben Mandelker: Because you all literally do that. That is the Orange County slash Real Housewives playbook. You guys all talk to all the reporters. And just that like when someone messes up, because usually there's someone who's too clunky, you all pounce and make them the sacrificial lambs. It makes you guys all seem better. But you guys are all talking to all the all the reporters and bloggers.

28:11Ronnie Karam: yeah i mean look i'm gonna stand up for katie a lot in this episode but she was shitty for this i think she was shitty for going straight to a reporter and telling her shit she just was i mean you shouldn't do that none of them should do it they do all do it but i think calling out katie is okay on this um but i think that gretchen's still lying and she did say that stuff to katie

28:29Ben Mandelker: i do she really did yeah she 100 did and they're all dying on this hill that's so stupid

28:36Ronnie Karam: yeah so she's like um i'm just feeling beyond between like i uh i thought i was in a safe space with people that i trusted and i loved who why would you trust them and love them you knew them because of instagram because you were your thirsty ass was trying to get back on this show those are not friends that you trust and you love those are housewives cast members are you nuts have you

28:58Ben Mandelker: learned nothing you're an idiot do not know the first rule of housewife housewifery which is anything you say and do can and will be used against you in the court of reality tv but what

29:09Ronnie Karam: i don't understand i mean gretchen is a dummy right we know that but why would you bring this up in front of a bunch of housewives if you didn't want it to go anywhere because normally when you bring stuff up like this you want it to go somewhere that's why you're dropping the seeds in the first place do you think that she actually said it or do you think slade said it at the party because they're they're kind of insinuating it was slade who said it because katie told her husband don't you weren't you there when slade said it and he said yeah i heard it i i actually

29:39Ben Mandelker: have a more naive take like i'm actually a little bit less cynical on this in the sense that like i think retchin brought it up just because they were gossiping about tamra and she probably did not think it was really going to go anywhere because it was such old news she probably thought it was just like they're just probably kicking i mean because it was like so many years who would ever think to even like like make this a thing again um so i am gonna go with i'm gonna say gretchen used poor judgment which is you know i don't think that gretchen was was thinking that

30:13Ronnie Karam: far ahead with it yeah okay so um she's so betrayed you guys she cannot believe that she sat down with cass on the real housewives and they repeated something so she's like yeah sharing something very personal apartment with a journalist is not okay in any way, shape, or form. Why does she say all of her as are is? In any. So Gretchen, you know what I mean? Her pronunciation. Her as sounds like it's not okay in any way, right? So she says, it's not okay in any way. She makes them with an I. It's so funny to me that she does it. So she's like, My home is Katie will be exonerated in this. And so Kiki Monique arrives.

31:04Ronnie Karam: She arrives in such a funny way. She just comes and she's already kind of like slightly shaking her head and smiling like, hi, you made me drive two hours for this.

31:14Ben Mandelker: I was about to say, she had the look of someone who just drove from like Hollywood to Laguna Beach. and if you've never done that drive midday look at kiki's face she's like oh my god the traffic the traffic the random toll why is there a toll road going to laguna beach there's a toll road for some reason why does everyone here have lab those oakley glasses on like it's traumatizing honestly that is a traumatizing drive and you can just see by kiki she's like oh man i've been on

31:47Ronnie Karam: that road for six hours yeah um so gretchen's like hi i'm gretchen and she's like yeah we've met and she goes what when did we meet she goes oh well i mean well we were on the phone at shenanigans i mean who hasn't said that i feel like we've all said that at some point oh hey we met on the phone at shenanigans good to see you so is that a fast casual restaurant no no

32:13Ben Mandelker: Is it a neighborhood bar and grill? No, it's Sheena's podcast. Oh, okay. Well, someday we can meet me. Sheena Annigans. Maybe, Ronnie, someday we can re-meet Gretchen and we can do the same thing. Except our version will be like, we actually met. The four of us did a psychic reading together at Leah Blackhouse.

32:33Ronnie Karam: Yes, and that psychic told her she was going to have a child. And she's like, no. She looked grossed out. She was like, no, I'm never going to have a child. Slade can't do it. And I just, no, it's too late. And he's like, no, you're going to have a child. She's like, no, I'm not. And there she is, standing on a countertop with her fingers slightly crossed that her dad might slip into the bathtub and electrocute himself on a chandelier. He didn't say that part, but I'm sure he thought it.

33:01Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm sure that was probably the unedited version. So, yeah, so they say hi to Kiki and everything. Kiki's like, yeah, we met already. and I like that Kiki was subtly calling her out which is just, that's funny to me. So then Gretchen's like, I decided to call Kiki because the best way for me to move forward with Katie and with the group and to figure out everything is like, to figure everything out and to know the truth. And I wanted a witness here because I didn't want it to be like another he said situation. So I've got Gina. Hi, I'm Gina, the witness.

33:38Ronnie Karam: Oh my god, Kiki. I'm like, so sorry, your name is even getting tossed around in all of this. And she's like, yeah, I never would have done this otherwise if it wasn't for that. Normally, I only drive to Orange County for lunch with Katie. But, you know, I've spent so many years building up my reputation in this hard-hitting industry of hard journalism. I started in the Iraq War. It was rough. I was in a bunker for a very long time under Saddam Hussein's house trying to get Hey You to work. And I just appreciate you giving me that back.

34:16Ben Mandelker: Back then I was asking soldiers, were they watching Hey Paula on Bravo?

34:19Ronnie Karam: And actually several of them were. I remember asking Saddam Hussein right before he was captured in that little hole he was hiding in in his BVDs. I said Saddam do you ever feel like you're not being treated like the gift that you are

34:38Ben Mandelker: and Saddam said hold on I need to see what Rachel and Raj are doing and I said what are you talking about he said the Oscars are coming up and they and Rachel has to style Jennifer Garner and five Five minutes later, he was captured.

34:54Ronnie Karam: Spin bananas, guys.

34:57Ben Mandelker: Bananas. I do like an alternate timeline where Saddam somehow got captured because he got distracted watching the Rachel Zoe products. And hey Paula.

35:09Ronnie Karam: I'm sick of not being created like the gift that I am. So Gretton's like, well, unfortunately, what happened for me is I would side swipe with all of this information when i was out in louisiana and i sat down with katie and i was like you would never and she said no i've never spoken to kiki about you i have no idea what

35:34Ben Mandelker: they're talking about and kiki's like well were you gonna say this is where i'm about to say like katie this is where you have to be a better liar you have to like follow the tamra school of giving like some shreds of truth because like when you say like you could have just said i didn't bring up like the drugging or like say i didn't bring up ruth i never said you have to say i never said the word roofie that's what you say but like by saying i didn't even talk to kiki about you now you're really setting yourself up for failure because you are i mean like like that's that's so broad like you're gonna get caught in that one like you got to be specific about your claims

36:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You know what? I mean, look, and we like Kiki. We're friends with Kiki. Kiki was just at my home for our Watch What Crappens closing party a few weeks ago. So we actually like Kiki. So I don't want to, like, call people out or whatever, but you're on the show, so I kind of got to. What happened to, like, everyone's saying journalist this, journalist that, but whatever happened to journalistic integrity? Like, if somebody's telling you that shit, why are you running to other people and telling them? I don't think that's cool. We should call Katie out. Have Katie go to that. I mean, have Kiki go to that lie detector test, too.

36:43Ronnie Karam: I don't think that was very nice. I mean, that's something you shouldn't be spreading, right? But I love you. Still love you. I'm sure there's more to the story. So Kiki's like, well, I don't really remember exactly how you came up, but she said you guys went to dinner and the dinner. She was like, oh, my God. Why is Mastro's, you know, spelled like that? And then she was like, or why is it pronounced like that when it's Mastro's? Is it Mastros or M-A-E-S-T-R-O-S?

37:13Ben Mandelker: Maestro. It's Maestro. Why did they misspell Nicolene's name? Isn't it spelled that way? Yeah, you're right. All right. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. I'll look it up. I've got my laptop right here in front of me. I can do so much. It's just amazing.

37:27Ronnie Karam: Maestro. Here, I'm going to look it up. No, it spells Maestro. It's not spelled Maestro. I'm an idiot. All right. I'm a poor person. Okay. That's the lesson we just wrote.

37:37Ben Mandelker: Who? you know who i bet loves mastro's sorry i talked over you how much do you how much you want to bet that gina loves mastro's how much you want to bet she's always walking around her house being like hey nick hey nikki you want to go to mastro's tonight does anyone want to go to mastro's i would think that we could go to mastro's tonight i just feel like she always talks about mastro's

37:56Ronnie Karam: off camera no because mastro's is extremely expensive that's a very high end but that's

38:02Ben Mandelker: why i ain't going there he loves it because she only goes like once a year and it's like very special it's very exciting for her you know she's my couple elizabeth vargas be like you want to go

38:11Ronnie Karam: to maestro's can you pay anything well maybe with elizabeth vargas because she'll pay um so anyway back to what kiki said so she's like well she said that you guys went to dinner and at the dinner she said did you know that at naked wasted night gretchen had had to go to the hospital after and she was drugged and i was like i mean my jaw dropped and i was like what she said i said that She said that you told her. Well, that is literally just insane to me. I don't even understand why she would say that. She's like, well, I was trying to be more like, whoa, you know, her and Tamara haven't had a good relationship.

38:49Ronnie Karam: Why is this not come out sooner? It's like, yeah, exactly. If you think I knew something like that, wouldn't I have said it 17 years ago?

38:58Ben Mandelker: But here is the problem. And so you can hear just with what Kiki said. kiki said that like gretchen had to go to the hospital after which we saw gretchen admits to on camera and um well gretchen said that she was afraid she was drugged katie says that gretchen said that there were drugs in the system obviously now the kiki when kiki saying it was and she was drugged what's the key thing here is that the word roofie came from tamra i just want to point that out rufi came from tamara and rufi is the word that got everyone scared because it's a scary word to say like for a reason and i think that like gretchen is afraid that this will open her up to a lawsuit or she's afraid that bravo won't be happy whatever it is i think rufi is a thing that like shook the bees nest or the hornet's nest or whatever nest needs to be shaken and i just want to point out like yes keith i mean katie messy you can't just talk to content creators and then lie about you have to if you're going to do it just like own up to it just be like yeah i was talking with her i didn't think it was any big deal it was so long ago but like like ultimately though i just want i feel like it's important to state that i do feel like it was tamra who exaggerated this up to sort of more of a criminal space.

40:24Ronnie Karam: Well, she said that she went to the hospital and she found out she had drugs in her system. Then that's saying that she was drugged. So I think that roofied is just a way of saying it's not necessarily necessarily have to mean rehypnol specifically. But if you're like, well, I was I had to go to the hospital because I was so sick and I was tested for like they found drugs in my system. That's saying somebody drugged me at Tamara's house. Right.

40:47Ben Mandelker: Well, she could have had some over-the-counter medication. That's what I'm saying. Like, the implication is she was drunk. I'm just—

40:53Ronnie Karam: Well, she wouldn't have said they found drugs in my system if it was her own medication. Like, if Gretchen said that, because we don't know that Gretchen said that. All we know that Gretchen really said is that she went to the hospital because she said that often. Right? We don't know if she said she was drugged. But if she did say she was drugged, she's saying they drugged me, basically, if she did say that. This fucking show, I can't with it. This show's so stupid. I feel like I need to do it. And it has everybody taking everything so seriously, and they're all such fucking wires. I can't. So, yeah, she's like, I went out of my way to stick up for her with all these women.

41:30Ronnie Karam: No, you didn't, Gretchen. You went and you got people. You went before the season with these ladies to solidify your side that you were going to come on and battle against Tamra with, is what you did. So stop making it sound like you're some fucking giving person. you know forrest nightingale okay this is what i'm trying to say and kiki and kiki is messy too

41:51Ben Mandelker: because then kiki just adds adds fuel to the fire like this was not even anything that was being discussed kiki's like oh and by the way gina you were a topic too which is such a rare thing in life i just want to add um and and she's like what and gretchen's like sorry i meant hot topic so is that what you're wearing still yeah so kiki's like i mean she said she was trying to wear asian designers to showcase them and then she said you came in and you saw her outfit and you looked at her and said is that an asian designer and sort of implying i guess it was meant to be sounding kind of racist like i don't know she sort of said that part too which i'm like what now I was like okay so then we open up this can of worms which doesn't actually get very far but basically we see this like footage from 2023 at like this biking event and we see Katie talking to Jen and Katie's like did you hear what Gina just said about my jacket she asked me what brand it was I told her and then she goes oh is that an Asian designer because I said I wanted to like Asian designers.

43:00Ben Mandelker: It was a dig.

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45:49Ronnie Karam: So then back to present, Gina's like, well, she told me that she wanted to feature Asian designers and I thought that was cool. And then the next thing you know, she gets these two fucking stylists and every damn time she shows up, she's like, how? Oh my God, look what I'm wearing. All these fancy fucking designers that are not fucking Asian, okay? Like, do you know how offensive that is to me? Like, that is so offensive. I'm just fighting for Asian designers everywhere. I mean, look at me. I show up in, like, white lady designers because I'm supporting white ladies, okay? Like, a TJ Maxx, um, Marsha Oath.

46:30Ronnie Karam: Like, I'm supporting white people. She's just supporting Asians. I love that Gina's changing this to be like, i'm so upset for all the asian designers that katie's not supporting shut the up gina are you

46:42Ben Mandelker: crazy that's crazy this was so wrong i mean by the way you know this show is supposed to showcase glamorous wealthy people and you're not that gina so you're also failing on the representation front but like this was so wrong in my mind it's not up to gina to police what katie's going to wear katie makes a declaration that she wants to support more Asian designers. She gets to do that when she wants to, like on her own timeline and what's appropriate for her. And I just don't think that because she says that, the fact that you are monitoring that and that you may say you think it's cool, you like that she's celebrating the culture, but the fact that you're already keeping tabs on that shows that you're skeptical of it in a way that I just think is actually totally inappropriate and actually problematic.

47:37Ben Mandelker: I don't see her holding other people's feet to the fire with the random proclamations. They say, how many lofty declarations do all these women say about how they want to help, how they want to give back, how they want to do this and that? Heather Dubrow releases a line of slacks for the everyday person that only costs like$30 ,000 a pair for the common person. And do we see, is Gina following through to make sure that heather is still being like on top of her mission there no i think the fact that she had eagle eyes on katie about this issue is speaks a lot and i just don't think it's gina's place to have to police what how katie decides that she wants to represent her community

48:19Ronnie Karam: well katie came on the show trying to celebrate culture but she never celebrated culture come on or bust that's what i see how many cultures is gina celebrating by the way at least katie is making an attempt what is what is it's like roller skating on long island culture in the 80s like i'm not really sure what she's going for but i don't know commercials maybe she's so ridiculous so then that's when she's like oh my god you just told me all this shit somebody talked about me thank you for being a reputable journalist and not running these stories okay she ran so tamra was on Jeff Lewis, and I saw a clip of it.

49:03Ronnie Karam: And she's like, hey, you know, here's what happened, okay? I heard from my friend Jacques at the Daily Mail. He's the Daily Mail, and he's like, tell me, and then he called Dave Quinn, and then Dave Quinn told me, tell me, everybody's saying you got re-hypnoled. So you re-hypnoled her or whatever. So all these journalists are like running around journalists. See, now they have me saying journalists. Jacques was at our party, too. Jacques was at our party, too. Look at all this gossip we had right in our hands. Jacques? What were you talking about with me? You didn't tell me any of this stuff. Why are they running to each other and not the real journalists in this group?

49:44Ronnie Karam: Us. We were right next to you, Jacques. I love how we are just, like, around all the gossip. I didn't realize that was this Jacques, but now that you said it, yeah, I guess so.

49:54Ben Mandelker: I think so, because I remember Kiki's friend was from the Daily Mail, and I think the name was Jacques.

49:58Ronnie Karam: unless it was okay well that makes sense because they were like little buddies he was like her date at the party or whatever so that makes sense that she would tell him yeah i mean maybe they're

50:08Ben Mandelker: just she was like oh my god get this isn't this crazy but then jock goes and runs his mouth maybe

50:12Ronnie Karam: did all this happen at our party dave quinn was hiding in the bushes could you imagine

50:17Ben Mandelker: they shot this entire season in the two weeks between our party and the season premiere

50:25Ben Mandelker: we'll take credit though we will take credit wherever we can be my dream someone down to orange county to have to explain like can you tell me i heard that like you were talking about tamra on your podcast and i'll be like yes um is this margarita for free um

50:44Ronnie Karam: do we get to talk to the parrots at mozambique no okay um so here's how i know that here's how i think the telltale sign that gretchen is lying here because once kiki leaves gretchen starts to

50:58Ben Mandelker: cry she's like i mean like i don't even know if it's the right word like but i mean i guess i and like people can't do this fucking shit to people people can't do this fucking shit to people and she's sobbing and i'm like this is too performative i'm sorry the normal reaction would be like fuck katie man fuck her but the the over-the-top sobbing in mozambique in the presence of these macaw parrots makes me think that she was overcompensating for her lie trying to show she was so hurt that she could not possibly lie i was like nope nope i'm not gonna

51:32Ronnie Karam: fall for it and also why would she be so upset if somebody said oh like it doesn't make you look bad if you were the one to get drugged at a party you know what i mean like it doesn't it doesn't say anything bad about you you're the victim in the situation i just don't understand where she's where her tears and all of the shit's coming from i think so worked magic and you know i think we

51:52Ben Mandelker: were talking about how tamra and katie are friends now and then it's like you had said it and then i was like like it was sort of there was another thing that happened today where like they both were commenting on like social media on something that was very much like like she's my friend like tamra has swooped in she caused she dropped the bomb she swooped in she's now has katie on her side. It's, it's masterful. It's masterful manipulation. It's, it's Mastro's fall. It's Mastro's fall.

52:21Ronnie Karam: So now we go back to Heather's penthouse with her kids. This is where we play games. We have a penthouse where we have sexy times. Me and me and Terry. Yes. This is the episode where I stress how much sex I have with Terry. Do you like it? I learned it at the groundlings and so we have that for sexy times and then we have a game a game house that's where we play and then on the lower flow floor is where we put the children we as a family like to play

52:53Ben Mandelker: games okay we like to play games and talk about sex but one game we will not play is cards against humanity sex version because that is basically pornography you gave pornography to my child

53:07Ronnie Karam: remember that it's really hard playing a card game again after that molester tried to give pornography cards to my daughter but here we are what a great i'm recovered what a great season

53:19Ben Mandelker: that was what a great season um so they're playing poker they're a happy family i mean this is sort of hilarious so they have a penthouse but they have a rental in the same building so that way when the kids come in from college they can all assemble as a family and play poker and look board so um and then yeah when she says the penthouse is more for sexy times you know fun sexy times with terry dubrow i'm like i don't know if the concept of sexy times and terry bro i don't know if that concept actually exists but you know whatever you're an actress sell the story

53:52Ronnie Karam: go ahead are there rumors that terry's cheating again because that's what this is giving must be He's constant like, me and Terry, the sex fiends. Okay. Okay. So they suck at Texas Hold 'em, which is what they're playing. They talk about like they love playing games together, all of that stuff. I'm fast-forwarding through the game playing, okay? So then we're talking about the house that they're trying to sell. It's listed for$25 million. I think they sold it for$16.5, which is crazy. They were trying to sell it for$25 million. These haxters.

54:29Ben Mandelker: Huxters. So, yeah. So, basically, they talk about this house. And then wanting to get a place in L.A. And then, eventually, they just finish up their poker. And Terry's like, wow, that is so not how to play the game. Losing. Am I right? You ever heard the expression, poker face? And Kat is like, no, I know the Lady Gaga song. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

54:57Ronnie Karam: what's so funny family what's so funny over here listen you can do a lot to me but you can't fucking lie you can't fucking lie i'll see it natasha leone just barges in helping the arena by her side that's who they should have had as a liar face in a in a show where they bring up poker face bring on natasha leone liar that's bullshit i saw right through it maybe that's

55:21Ben Mandelker: why we had this poker scene in it it was sort of like a subtle reference to that ahead of our big

55:25Ronnie Karam: polygraph bonanza yeah that's speaking of which they brought up poker face so i just want to say

55:32Ben Mandelker: that i watched miami before i watched orange county and miami this week was so over the top opulent i mean they went to this mansion by the ocean and like the south of spain and there was like there's all these beautiful flourishes and there's lobster and caviar and champagne flutes the size of like a shoe and like and then they go back up to sevilla would you say private planes they're in this enormous beautiful historical plaza there's enormous vistas and just gorgeous and parades in the street funeral processions it's just like lux and glamour and whatever and it's just like it's kind of like what the housewives is all about it is so big and extra and then to come to orange county where it's like all right the centerpiece of this episode emily's house emily's sofa from ashley convertibles or jennifer convertibles like it just is such a

56:26Ronnie Karam: contrast it was hard to come down emily's in-laws pay for allegedly allegedly so emily is talking to a party planner and she's like i know naruz that's persian new year and it goes in the spring on this spring it's about new life we're really here to celebrate persian new year let's bully the shit out of somebody you're running the roofs yeah what about like doing group polygraphs says

56:53Ben Mandelker: happy new year because that does not make any sense to me yeah it's pretty gross that she's

56:59Ronnie Karam: like tying this in with a with a person like holy holiday what a dick so she tells us about all this and that she's the only one who really celebrates it because shane is half persian but he doesn't even care and he doesn't really know even anything and so we see her talking to shane and going Could you name anything? Oh, no. Can you name anything that we're supposed to have on the scene? And he's like, uh, goldfish. Yeah, but what does the goldfish stand for? Snacks. How dare you bring that up? You know, our son won't eat a goldfish.

57:36Ben Mandelker: I gave Shana some kebab and I said, see you later. So then we see people getting ready Gina has her hair in rollers And she's like oh my god look at this volume Meatball Meatball's the dog by the way I have to do my own glam Because I spent all my money on your glam But you do look really good bro Oh my god Gina implying that she ever was going to afford a glam team In the first place is hilarious

58:05Ronnie Karam: Gina getting her glam done I'll never forget the scene where the lady who did their scalp treatments was horrified. Okay, so at Katie's house, she's getting her glam, and she's very nervous. Okay, guys, she's very nervous. And she's like, Persian New Year is all about new beginnings, so I'm hoping we can all move from forward, move forward and start from zero. I'm sorry, but have you watched Bravo? Have you checked out the Persian show on Bravo? Because it's never about, like, talk about getting your life wrecked. Shaz, that's the way to do it.

58:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah. bad sign but also like katie i feel like how many times has katie said this season well i just want to have a fresh reset we can start from zero we can all start over it's like every episode she has to say that because she does lie i mean like her lies are hilariously bad like remember when she couldn't she's like well i would i would call the journalist now to clear it up but i'm just getting no reception here i'm just no reception wow she's always caught yeah so um then we go to

59:07Ronnie Karam: Gretchen's and she's like, well, I don't want to be there with Katie, but I also feel like I don't want to not go to Emily's party. And Slade's like, oh, God, I'm so sorry you have to deal with this, neighbor. Dear Father, I pray today that Gretchen's nerdily-durdily will be given the strength to sit and face those who have attempted to wrong. Oh, shut the fuck up, Slade. You gotta love Slade leading a prayer. Give me a break. I know.

59:32Ben Mandelker: God has better things to do than to, like, you know, oversee Emily's polygraph party. so so then we go to emily's house she's like ready for persian new year where my party people are to the windows to the walls to the sweat drops down my polygraph so then gina shows up oh my god this is like beautiful like you really put so much thought into it like how do you think today's gonna go for you emily you think we can like i don't know take the one non-white lady in our cats and make her run away what do you think we can do here's the thing i have two lie detector

1:00:08Ronnie Karam: people here and a lot of liars so they're gonna be busy well i just want to have so many people so many things and just get it all out of the way and be done with that like we gotta take a lie detector yeah so we're gonna have to do uh she's gonna have to do that and then we see flashbacks of katie i'm not talking to bloggers which isn't technically a lie because kiki monique is not in fact a blogger right yeah she doesn't have a blog blogging isn't really a thing anymore

1:00:36Ben Mandelker: i thought they keep calling everyone a blogger is hilarious yeah and katie's like um i'll take

1:00:41Ronnie Karam: a lie detector test i didn't fucking do it she never should have said that katie katie yeah

1:00:47Ben Mandelker: katie's actually hilarious in how many like how many rakes she steps on like it's like non-stop so um emily then we see a flashback and emily's saying we could invite everyone over to my house and then we could just have someone sit there and give everybody a lie detector test so now it's happening so emily has um converted her up like her office and something upstairs into polygraph rooms um which i think this is so fucked up i mean this is very reality show it's probably producer driven but this is also really fucked up ambushing everyone with a lie detector test

1:01:22Ronnie Karam: what so uh she was like yeah it's a good idea like there's so many stories you know like gretchen and obviously all the Katie stuff. Like, it's so hard not to tell Emily about what happened with Kiki Monique because I want to tell everything. You've already told her. Like, we already know that you've told her. Why are you acting like you didn't tell? Yeah. You didn't tell Emily that you went for a full-on meeting with Kiki Monique and then she didn't call you two seconds after to find out all the gossip. Come on. A hundred percent. Liar. Is that a lie, Jean-Anne?

1:01:50Ben Mandelker: Is that a lie I'm detecting? Also, like, you know the parrots have told everyone to. The parrots were sitting there like,

1:01:58Ronnie Karam: she said Kiki Monique's on the phone with Jacques right now she's like Jacques listen I was at Mozambique today awkwardly named restaurant that's besides the point a parrot on my way out said Tamara's old it's crazy let's really do something

1:02:17Ben Mandelker: it's in the Daily Mail the next day

1:02:19Ronnie Karam: so Dave Quinn's like I'm sitting on this one

1:02:25Ben Mandelker: so So then we are like now they're writing their questions. She knows they all could be writing questions for each other. So Gina's like, how do you spell Ruthie? And Emily's like, I just put drug. And then Heather shows up. And one thing that Emily has done is that she has actually egged her doorstep, as you mentioned, because this is actually part of, like, I guess the tradition or at least as has been told to us. So Heather walks up and she just sees all these broken eggs all over the doorstep. And she is horrified. She's like, ooh, did their house just get egged? Did someone just get fired?

1:03:02Ben Mandelker: And were they disgruntled from the staff? I don't understand what's happening here.

1:03:06Ronnie Karam: It's watch what crappin's making its yearly rounds. I'm so sorry this happened to you on a shooting day. It's me just passing by in my car. It's me on a back bus, just like, fuck off, Emily, you suck. Or Kelly Dodd. Yeah, Kelly Dodd. Yeah, totally. Uh, so no, she would just throw her mom at the house.

1:03:29Ben Mandelker: So then, um, the doorbell ring. So Heather comes in, she goes, wait, did somebody egg your house or is that part of the new year? Is this something that the poors do? Is this like, cause you can't, oh, I know why. Because you don't have Cartier to throw at the door. You throw eggs instead. Do you have an egg bracelet?

1:03:46Ronnie Karam: Wow. These really are tough times. Gina's out there scooping up the eggs and putting them into Ziplocs.

1:03:55Ben Mandelker: If we cover the eggs with enough dirt, do you think Gina will think it's a steak from Mastro's?

1:04:03Ronnie Karam: So Gina's like, what happened to your nose? And she's like, oh, I had a biopsy yesterday. It's a new accessory.

1:04:09Ben Mandelker: Do you like it? Do you want to ask me questions about it? Because that's kind of my thing. You have to ask me questions. Does anyone want to ask me questions? No one. No one. Okay, fine.

1:04:20Ronnie Karam: so they ever start writing down questions for their homework but they don't tell her what it is yet and um heather's like wait i need to talk to you before the other girls come did you invite tamra did you she's like well i texted her the same text that i texted you guys to invite you well remember i texted her and i said where are you are you okay and it's five days later and she texted me and she was pissed and we see flashback to their little lunch that

1:04:50Ben Mandelker: they had together and emily's like how do you just pussy you she's like oh yeah piss at me pissed at all of us so why is she mad at everyone because she believes that everyone should have reached out to her to see if she was okay do you follow oh my god she will fit she told everybody to fuck off and she ran home like what am i checking up on which by the way somehow this is not as bad

1:05:17Ronnie Karam: as katie just gossiping right so gina's like yeah like you can't play victim in this situation that you don't even remember lay down girl so emily's like whoa should i have even invited her because now she might come through the door and she's just gonna come in hot oh you're worried about someone ruining the persian new year party that you're throwing to bully someone and kick out of your house yeah okay coming in you're having a you're having a polygraph party that

1:05:45Ben Mandelker: is the definition of coming in hot your people are arriving into the heat so so everybody starts

1:05:50Ronnie Karam: coming in and they're like were you egged just so funny uh and uh but she's like but what's also funny i want to point out is that they're like they're like oh my god is tamarita come in all

1:06:02Ben Mandelker: hot and then a car pulls up and we see like a blonde get out and it's like goes to commercial like oh my god tamra's here but it winds up being just jen and it's like oh fake out but what's funny is that tamra does show up later so i don't know why they were like oh just kidding she's not coming but she is coming i was like uh oh okay i guess i guess they just needed to find a way to

1:06:22Ronnie Karam: put in a cliffhanger for commercial is it a crime to build suspense before they tried to sell me

1:06:27Ben Mandelker: some latuda maybe not uh were there some eggs were there some eggs do they were they um i i hope you don't tell john jansen otherwise he may sue you to pay him back for the eggs so i'm so glad that

1:06:42Ronnie Karam: commercial break is over nothing is everything um well jane and i did this to myself we were getting rid of evil spirits okay katie katie hey does anybody have some tallulah sauce to put on katie's face because she just got egg bad spirit nailed it so then they're writing more questions although i would love a tallulah sauce little tallulah bankhead sauce is chellula i'm sorry

1:07:15Ben Mandelker: you guys i was wondering i was like that doesn't sound right um jen's like are these anonymous questions and Emily's like yes please and Jack is oh well I I just put my my name on it as in Tamara why are you such a bitch signed Shannon so Gretchen arrives and she just ignores Katie because Katie's there too at this point and it's like awkward and Katie's like I'm just confused I'm literally on the outs with everyone because I was covering her lie shouldn't you be like like yes amazing you did that I covered for you instead of treating me like a piece of shit well I mean

1:07:50Ronnie Karam: Katie, you were covering her lie because you were the one who went out and told that to the blogger. So that's kind of the reason you were covering it in the first place. That's true. Gretchen's like, well, I just wanted to say, why would you lie straight to my face? You know, that's my question. And I don't want to have an argument. This is not the time or place. Poor Emily just got egged. So Emily's like, oh, I have a little fun activity. You just have to ask a couple of questions, everybody. okay and heather's like how do we know they're gonna tell the truth that's what i want to know

1:08:27Ben Mandelker: maybe i have a truth serum maybe i'll throw eggs at your face until you tell the truth it's like it's called vodka has anyone ever played a game called hockey hockey it's french you play it with cards and you do it until you seem like a happy family okay no okay truth serum

1:08:48Ronnie Karam: is called vodka. That's why no one's ever accused Shannon of lying.

1:08:58Ben Mandelker: So, um, they're all asking questions. Jen is like, can I really ask anything? Is that okay? Because, like, in the nature of, like, just being very kind, this is lovely. Thank you so much for letting me ask questions. And Gina's like, oh my god, well, I already wrote one for you and then I crossed it out because it's, like, just, like, not worth pissing you off. I mean, I'm just gonna, like, do the obvious ones. so just doing more questions just more and more and more and more and more and more questions and we're seeing this it's all just like a build-up for when they get into the um into the into the

1:09:29Ronnie Karam: polygraph yes so um now uh they're talking about how uh tamra's coming but she's really mad at everybody and shannon's like oh that's ridiculous tamra's mad well she can storm off but nobody else can. No one else gets that grace. Like, oh, Shannon, I don't know that you're really the one to be talking. You storm off like 10 times a year. Where's my grace? You've been given a lot of grace, ma 'am. So Emily's like, well, I had a conversation with Shane, and I said, you know, maybe I should reach out to Tamara, you know. But I was just so overwhelmed with what I was going on with my son. He refused to eat a sweet potato last week.

1:10:11Ben Mandelker: Like, Just say I was mad at Tamara and I didn't feel like dealing with her bullshit, so I didn't write to her. But you can be overwhelmed with the stuff with your son or anything else going on in life, but you can still... You're not overwhelmed with your son. Not use your son as an excuse. Just admit you were pissed at Tamara. Why are you scared to admit that?

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