#2986 RHOM S7E13: Plane of Resistance

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1:18Ronnie Karam: Well, hello, little darling faces. Welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hello, Ben. hello ronnie how are you i'm just ready to rumble how's everything going over there with you baby

1:36Ben Mandelker: it's great it's great um i'm ready to rumble as well i am rumble ready rumble ready baby um yeah we just can i give a shout out please sorry can i give a shout out to my friend my friend cita your friend as well. You know, hi Sita. Hi Sita. Sita has, uh, she sells crystals and, uh, I think she's, I want to give a shout out to her, her crystal business, uh, cause times are tough everyone. So if you're in, if you're looking for crystals, go check out Sita art house crystals on Instagram, art house crystals. So show Sita some love. And if you're in the market for some crystals, you know where to go.

2:17Ben Mandelker: So I just want to give that shout out before I forget.

2:20Ronnie Karam: Oh, pretty. I'm going to go there. I wrote down the name. I will be going there later because, you know, I love a crystal. I've got one right here. I've got my little money crystal right here. Yeah. She said she's going to send us each a crystal. Oh, hell yes. I want my crystal, girl. Give me some crystals. Well, that's great. Yeah, go support her. She's a good person. She's a good girl. All right, everybody, welcome to the show. We do Amazon Live this afternoon at 4 p.m. Pacific time. Check our Instagram at Watch What Crappens for links to that, okay? The next week, we'll be back with Crappy Hour.

2:54Ronnie Karam: You can also find a new Dwell Hello coming towards the end of the week. And if you want these recaps on videos or you want our bonus episodes, go over to our Patreon. We did a long three-hour Love Island recap last week. That was super fun for the reunion. And this week, we should have a trailer trash coming for either Potomac or Below Deck Mediterranean, okay? So today we are going to be talking about Real Housewives of Miami Season 7, Episode 12.

3:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah, what a glamorous episode. Beautiful. I mentioned a little bit on our Orange County recap, but this show is doing the luxe thing. I mean, the private jets, this mansion, the seaside mansion in Marbella. I mean, this show is just gorgeous. I was watching it and I was like, I cannot believe it. I believe the fight with Stephanie and Alexia that happens later in this episode may have been the most scenic fight we've ever seen on the show. They are fighting, and the sunset is like casting them in this golden light. There's this gorgeous, beautiful Plaza de España, I think is what it's called, that's like out in the background.

4:04Ben Mandelker: It's like this colonnade, this huge vista. I was like, this is gorgeous. What a gorgeous setting for a petty, petty fight.

4:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it was really beautifully done. And all the colors, they wore their flamenco dresses that they had done for them. The whole thing was just gorge. My God, really well done, ladies. So here we go. It's Gordy. And you know, it's also funny that everyone's always making fun of Stephanie for her fashion. We talked about it a little on Crappy Hour. Her stylist had a fit. And I said she looked like a golden crappie or whatever. But, you know, like to make fun of someone's fashion when they're so well put together. I mean, that really says how good this show is. because it's like she looks great.

4:47Ronnie Karam: I mean, she's really pretty. And she wears, I mean, her outfits are a little try hard Jackie O and everything. I get it. But it's just funny because we're making fun of outfits that are actually really good. It's just Miami standards, you know, that you're judging. I mean, especially coming from Orange County where you want to talk about some shitty fashions. Oh, my God. It's like we don't even mention it as much on that show because it's just so expected, you know. Right, right. Right. But here we are.

5:14Ben Mandelker: We started here.

5:16Ronnie Karam: We're still in España. Yes.

5:19Ben Mandelker: It's the morning. Finally, morning of the Marbella trip, this fraught trip that's going to involve Stephanie's private plane to whom that, that, that may or may not be accessible for everyone on the cast, depending on their behavior. So we're in this hotel bar. They spent a lot of time in this Radisson lobby on this, on this trip. There was this like little couch on the side. They're sitting there they're gathering Gertie and Judy Julia are there and Kiki and Lisa join and uh Kiki's making make some joke about like oh like looking ratchet etc in the wake of last episode's fight and Kiki is like Julia I'm so excited you described the home and the people are so lovely and I'm like you know what I don't want to miss out on it and I really want to be there for you and she's saying how she's yeah she's still pissed off at Adriana but she's gonna be on like good behavior because she it's like very important for her she wants to be on the private plane and it's important for her to go to marbella and be there for julia listen to me i just saw

6:17Ronnie Karam: liza she didn't even look at me we didn't look at each other i mean i get it i get it i get it you guys still have things to work on yeah but i'm not going to do that today i'm on my best behavior i don't want to go to the principal's office again okay okay everybody just leave me

6:30Ben Mandelker: alone it's been a rough year well you know guys that alexia and marisol is not coming and Kiki's like I can't believe that and Lee's like well why aren't they coming they set this up with you and you and Marisol set this up he's like well Marisol feels that what if something happens and then we are like you know stuck in Marbella and then how do we get home because it definitely doesn't take us back or something what happens this Julia just being chill about this when she hung Gertie out to drive she tormented Gertie for missing a zoom link and yet these two jokers are missing this entire like section of the trip a whole like emotional spiritual thing with the godfathers and she's like okay that's fine to me this is a massive double standard julia is just sucking this season i know and this is a super important event too i

7:25Ronnie Karam: mean she's really coming all this way she's taking another flight and she's doing it to give two elderly gay men access to stem cells and you know i think that people need to have some goddamn

7:37Ben Mandelker: respect well it's important that those boys have a male figure in their life that lives in a far away place and is much older and might not be around that long it's it's just really

7:52Ronnie Karam: important that they have that male figure it's very important my children have male figures in their life that they will never see and that will probably die in 10 years so uh so kiki's like oh we can walk back who cares and they start cracking up she's like we catch a horse back so julie is like i'm not taking it personal to heart you know because i i wish they would come but i can't change it it is done it is done um so then we go to marital and alexia who have decided they're going to stand against Stephanie, which listen, they're usually on the side of evil. These two, they are the side of evil usually, but I'm so glad to see them doing this because Stephanie is really ridiculous.

8:36Ronnie Karam: She needs to be brought down a peg or two. Okay. Yeah.

8:40Ben Mandelker: Well, I agree that Stephanie needs to be brought down a peg or two. I don't think that this is the way to do it personally. I think this is actually, you know, mean to Julia, especially because Julia put in, has put in so much work kissing their asses. The least they can do is pay it back a little bit. But of course, this is the problem with kissing asses like Alexia and Marisol. You're never really going to be part of their group ever.

9:01Ronnie Karam: So Alexia is like - No one respects a kiss ass. They're just going to use you and be done with you. So I don't care about Julia's fake shit. I don't care. I don't care. I'm just glad to see someone standing up to the lady with the old man ball playing.

9:16Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm so excited for the weather today. Well, you know, Peter, like we're like actually going to get to enjoy Sevilla for once. And Marisol's like, oh, my God, I want to walk around, bro. I don't want to sit. I don't want to hear anyone fucking bitching or complaining anymore. I need some quiet in my head. You need quiet in your head, but you're going to hang out with Alexia. Good luck with that.

9:34Ronnie Karam: How is there anything but quiet in your head? It's soaked in booze. What that what's going on in your head is very slow. I'm sure anything. And also, I love that she's like, I got to get away from the complaining. so I'm going to spend a day complaining it's just how I do it so she's like yeah you know it's just a little overwhelming I mean between Adriana and Kiki and Stephanie's whole mini Mussolini moment I just can't

10:00Ben Mandelker: mini Mussolini moment I didn't clock that the first time mini Mussolini so then we see a flashback to Stephanie like being like okay so someone's gonna be in the timeout seat and then two people can be up here and then the cool people will be back here and then someone has to sit in this chair and they have to call my sisters and then like hang up the phone right away. So then Marisol's like, I mean, the fact that Stephanie said that, you know, if there was any fighting that she would just like, you know, she would just kick everyone off. It's not exactly encouraging to hop on a plane. Am I right?

10:30Ben Mandelker: I mean, the good news is it's easier to remove people than ads. So we're golden, bro. Obviously I don't want to be rude, but we're just going to be rude and, you know, and we need to let her know we're not going. So, Hey, you know what? But even though I worked in public relations for years and years and would brag about how I had a PR company, Alexia, why don't you write the email? Because you're much better at writing those things.

10:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So it's like, okay, I'm going to write an email. I'm going to write a text. I'm going to write it right now. Okay. Here's what it's going to say. Hi. We're not going to come. Okay. Bye.

11:04Ben Mandelker: Well done.

11:05Ronnie Karam: Beautiful. Beautiful.

11:06Ben Mandelker: Poetic. We need a mental break. Okay. Let's say this. We need a mental break from Stephanie and pretty much everyone that's going to be there today. Have a wonderful day. Bye. We're not coming. That's great. It's really beautiful.

11:17Ronnie Karam: We're not going to come. But listen, I want to tell you, I thank you for not flying in a private plane in front of Frankie. That I respect. I got it. You know, I respect that. I respect it. So now the girls are still gathering and Stephanie comes down. And she's like, oh, my God. Alexi just texted me. She said, buenos dias. Hope you got some rest. Blah, blah, blah. They're not coming. What do you mean they're not coming? She's texting me. She's not going to go. I just went to sleep and everything was fine. I mean, I'm genuinely, genuinely hurt. This just sucks. They're both fired. I mean, we were in a good place.

11:49Ronnie Karam: Now they have to come and do this to me. How could they do this to me? How could they not fly on my plane? Oh, I'm so sorry that your weapon has been watered down. Sorry. Your weapon has been turned into a foam finger.

12:02Ben Mandelker: Whoops. Yeah, her whole thing is that they were in such a good place last night. And we see a flashback to Stephanie, like, like doing that, that silent laugh that she does. And like also nudging Alexia with her elbow. She is definitely someone who laughs. And when she laughs, she elbows you, which I don't love that as a laugh technique. I don't like you elbowing me to make me laugh as well. That's not going to make me laugh.

12:24Ronnie Karam: Oh my God. I'm a literally a laugh elbow.

12:27Ben Mandelker: I'm like, you're laughing. You're not going to laugh at this. Wait a second. You are not a laugh elbow. You never laugh. I've never seen you laugh elbow. Really?

12:36Ronnie Karam: Ben, in our live shows, I'm constantly leaning on you and laughing. Like, you need to laugh harder at this.

12:41Ben Mandelker: No, no, it's okay to lean, it's okay to touch, but Stephanie literally elbows Alexia and knocks her to the side. That's too much.

12:53Ronnie Karam: So, Stephanie's all upset, but now she doesn't have a private plane to hold against someone, so what is she gonna do? Let's watch her stew. So now they all go to the sprinter van, and Adriana wants to clear the air with Kiki, but she's refusing to engage. You know, I called her. I mean, this is a big day for her to choose the grandfather. You know, I mean, godfather. Oh, what am I saying?

13:20Ben Mandelker: Look at how I miss say words all the time. I am just going to establish my case for... I'm so ratchet right now.

13:27Ronnie Karam: I'm so ratchet right now. Am I right?

13:32Ben Mandelker: oh julia should we send marisol and alexia another message that if they need to move more time like that we could wait for them like and gertie's like no i just literally texted alexia right now i said sorry we won't be there for sorry that you won't be there for julia and uh we spoke with her and she totally understands and love you or that's what they sent me and stephanie goes i mean what happened i mean she said that she spoke with you and that you understand her and marisol and julia's like well i think that she you know she was feeling that if we misbehave because sometimes in our group we misbehave you know sometimes people just pour water on people let's as they say water under the bridge but overhead first but you know like sometimes we have you know with the rules on plane they get scared oh so it's about me it's about me that's what they're saying it's about me no no no it's about gold really because we want to bring gold on plane we knew you would not like and like they didn't want to be beholding and feeling that if something happened they would how would they even get back you know because once you go to marbella unless you have a private plane.

14:28Ben Mandelker: You cannot leave Barbea.

14:30Ronnie Karam: What? So they think I'm just going to leave you there after a whole night of me threatening to just leave everybody there? That is crazy. That is insane. How could they do this to me?

14:39Ben Mandelker: Oh, Stephanie, you know, we love you, but sometimes your delivery is very bossy.

14:44Ronnie Karam: Oh, but I'm bossy, but you're about to get on my plane? Oh, wow. Wow, so I'm bossy. You're getting on a bossy person's plane. Well, that's great. That's great. You're willing to go on a bossy plane.

14:55Ben Mandelker: Boss baby. Remember when I made that joke?

14:57Ronnie Karam: still funny do you not see what you're doing right now you dummy so julia's like really this is exactly what marisol and alexia were talking about she doesn't offer something then point it out in kind of belittling way and uh lars is like stephanie like thank you so much for like inviting us like on your plane like like i really appreciate it even though if even though other people don't really appreciate it like i do like you know what i don't want any i don't want anything

15:25Ben Mandelker: I mean, you guys don't owe me anything. You don't owe me a thank you. Don't owe me a thank you. Now, say the thing, Larsa. Say the thing you were supposed to say. Okay, guys. It's kind of like a fucked up. No, no, no.

15:34Ronnie Karam: You start. You start.

15:35Ben Mandelker: Wait, let's do it together, guys. Okay, let's do it together. Double Larsa. Okay. Okay, everybody. It's kind of like a fucked up situation.

15:41Ronnie Karam: So, like, you know, it's kind of... No, wait, you do it. You do it. You go ahead. You go ahead.

15:45Ben Mandelker: Okay, three, two, one. It's like a no-win situation.

15:48Ronnie Karam: It's like a fine...

15:49Ben Mandelker: It's like I'll lose. I messed up. You go. You go. You go now.

15:54Ronnie Karam: You go. Okay. Thank you so much for listening to the Larsa and Larsa relationship podcast. I miss doing that. I miss doing the Marcus and Larsa podcast. That was so fun. Damn it. I really thought those two would last forever. Well,

16:09Ben Mandelker: basically Larsa is kind of like, you know what? This is like a no one situation for Stephanie. Cause either she's dangling the plane and she wants to include everyone. Like basically it's like, like like you guys either call her a kiss ass and or she's like being like withholding like which one is it because by the way it's this is costing her forty thousand dollars to go 20 minutes so like it's not appreciative and like you know it's like fucked up i actually think there's like a shred of truth to what larsa is saying it is actually like stephanie is definitely on a power trip and that's not right but she is also spending forty thousand dollars on these people so like

16:48Ronnie Karam: get it together a little bit you know i i mean i disagree only because they don't want to go because stephanie's being an asshole and no one has said why they're not really going which is that stephanie's threatening to kick adriana and or lisa off the plane so that's really what they're that's really why they're not going and no one's gonna say that it's just like oh poor stephanie she just like that so much for people no no you don't when you're bragging about it and holding it over everybody's heads and then telling everybody how much money it costs you to do it fuck off like I don't want your fucking scrotum plane take it I just think

17:25Ben Mandelker: that like it's not I think that there is like like I said it's just a shred that there's a shred of something to like you know she's spending$40 ,000 and like just follow her rules you know but I think that she's spending$40 to

17:39Ronnie Karam: brag on a housewife show that she married a rich guy that's how I see it so she still gets that

17:45Ben Mandelker: She does get that. I mean, the problem is that she took it too far and she was not chill about it. And now, like, I think that there's like, I think the etiquette part of it gets totally removed because she was being classless in her presentation.

18:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I guess that's all I'm saying. But you're right. I mean, in a normal circumstance, it would be totally rude. Like, what? I arranged this private plane and now you guys are just at the last minute not coming? That's not cool.

18:14Ben Mandelker: but you know she's a dick so i don't care no she she fucked her own shit up so i'm not saying i'm not to me i'm not saying it's like a team stephanie versus i'm just saying like there is something to it she's spending forty thousand dollars on this stupid private plane but um and like and she said and like the least they can do is like show up and not be like like don't mess shit up on the plane but she went too far by by acting like she's like the like the mom on the porch who's gonna take the ball away from the kids.

18:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, I'm really glad that she doesn't want to look bossy and controlling. So she shows up on the plane with like a little iPad that she's reading from and she's like, guys, I just want to say thank you for showing up to Shoma Air. I love all of you and I'm happy that you are all here. You may notice the exit. No lipsticks near the exit. Please. If anybody has zippers on their pants, get the fuck off of my plane. My husband works very, very hard. And this is why I run an industry. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crapins commercial.

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21:21Ben Mandelker: Now, who is ready for some CeCe Peniston? Let's get this dance party started. And then all of a sudden the lights like change. They're all dancing in the sky and they're all having fun and like party, party, party, party, party.

21:33Ronnie Karam: This is what I am talking about. Good vibes only, baby. Okay? Empowering. Les éle bons. Temporal honey. Okay? Let the good times roll, baby.

21:47Ben Mandelker: There's also something so funny about having like a, like this like, like a 10 minute dance party because, you know, they've got to take off. They can't dance while they're taking off. They've got to land. But then for 10 minutes, it's like, woo, dance, dance, dance, dance. Okay, sit down. We've got to land. I don't know. It's like a flash mob.

22:06Ronnie Karam: As they dance, we cut to Alexi and Marisol just sitting there typing on their phones. Click, click, click, click. Oh, my God. Click in Spanish. Click in Spanish. Click in Spanish.

22:16Ben Mandelker: I did Wordle, and I just filled it in. I entered in Pips, P-I-P-P-S. Didn't get it.

22:25Ronnie Karam: My favorite starter word.

22:27Ben Mandelker: Por favor. Well, I answered my favorite starter word, cocky. I had to spell it with a Y. Didn't give it to me. Okay, look at us. We got through this flight. Oh, sorry. I thought you were finished. Go ahead. No, I just realized that if you spell cocky with a Y, you actually make a real word that would be totally acceptable on Wordle. Who would have thought? Still didn't get it, though. Can't.

22:50Ronnie Karam: Well, thank God we made it drama free. Okay? Everybody that has a jet should have rules. It's called jetiquette. Okay? They're very necessary. especially with a group like this.

23:01Ben Mandelker: I'm trying to make Jedikit happen. This is the second week in a row she's pushed the Jedikit thing. It's not going to happen.

23:06Ronnie Karam: It's her champs.

23:09Ben Mandelker: Is Jedikit a thing? No.

23:12Ronnie Karam: I don't know. Oh, it is. It is. Well, there you go. So she makes a speech. She's like, I have to say something. I'm going to get it off my chest, okay? Because we're going to land. So I'm sorry you missed Julia's event. You love Julia so much, but you miss her event, picking the godfather of her parents because of her children because i said you needed to throw the toilet paper in the garbage can and take your shoes off and not scrape my seat no that's not what happened you threatened to kick the cast off and not bring them back if they got into an argument and their job is to get into arguments stephanie okay you little control freak and she's like and so that so now she's not so that's superseded so those are your friends julia okay They cared more about making me look bad than being here.

23:56Ronnie Karam: And whoever doesn't agree, you're not okay.

24:00Ben Mandelker: So then they land and then they're heading off to this estate. And Julia's like, I'm really grateful to Stephanie because it was really difficult to get here. And Marbella, I love it. It actually reminds me of Miami. Sevilla is so gorgeous. It's very traditional, but Marbella is so cosmopolitan. Look at all the houses and not city parts of it. But at the same time, very charming. And you can find your hidden gem spots all over. And you can dance until 6th and I'm like, what? Like, we get it. Marbella is nice. Like, why are you selling us Marbella right now? Just let us look at all the pretty buildings.

24:34Ronnie Karam: And this, my friends, is some serious white lotus shit. Okay? And I approve this message.

24:42Ben Mandelker: I approve. Which is funny because on the Potomac trailer, when there's a part of the Potomac trailer where they go someplace nice, and you hear one of them say, this is some white lotus shit. I was like, okay, this is going to be our new catchphrase on Bravo. So then we meet Julia's friend, Derek. And like, he literally is like the gay guy in season two of the White Lotus. Like it's so a hundred percent the same guy. Like this is, I would be a little scared personally. Yeah, he is.

25:09Ronnie Karam: He's like, hello, welcome. Welcome everybody to this full finished home in Marbella. Please offer anybody, offer anybody. I'd like to introduce you to my nephew. So Julia talks about how they've been friends for 15 years. And they're the life of the party. And she can't wait to give her boys men in their lives who smell like Old Spice and hair dye. So they all cheers. And he's like, oh, welcome to my old crappy fit down area by the pool. It's disgusting. I'm sorry that you've been exposed to it. Sit down, everybody.

25:54Ben Mandelker: If this is what old and crappy looks like, I guess I shouldn't be too offended by what Kiki called me last night. Remember, she called me old. Okay, Adriana. So Derek is like, so what's this announce? What's going on in everyone's life? Anyone have anything exciting going on? And Lisa's like, well, I have an announcement. Okay, I have an announcement to make. First of all, Lenny filled out his subway card. He's going to get a foot long tomorrow for free. So I'm very happy for him about that. And also, yesterday, I am officially divorced.

26:24Ronnie Karam: So they all stand up and cheers. And Larsa just sits down giving dirty looks. And Lisa's like, I mean, I know. And Larsa goes, congrats to what, lawsuits? Wow, like, congratulations, like. Wow.

26:43Ben Mandelker: Wow, you got, like, divorced, like. I don't know. like some of us already did that already like sorry like why didn't people toast to me when i got divorced like so then uh lisa tries to like toast to larsa but larsa just ignores her gritty's like i mean i know they have their differences but like come on larsa you're a big girl aren't you i mean you've been hearing about you know i've been hearing about lenny lenny lenny for two years i feel like this is like a win-win no more lenny lenny lenny but larsa's like like what am i even toasting for like lisa's like going to be like continuously fighting with Lenny for years to come.

27:14Ben Mandelker: Like, it's not over. It's like a pause-like. It's not an end-like. It's not a period-like. It's like a pause-like and this and that and XYZ.

27:22Ronnie Karam: I extended a branch, Lian, but it's okay. I guess, I guess, forgive me for extending a branch. And Derek's like, well, we have a couple of friends arriving. Here they are. So, Chris and Danny arrive, and Lars is like, well, I wish Alexa and Mary so would like be here like because i feel like they just like i feel like miss like out on the like a great i feel like they like and julia's like i know but look honest to god i don't hold it against them i don't hold it against them they have power they have so much power so so much

27:56Ben Mandelker: power wow and then stephanie tells us wow you're giving a whole pass to them for missing one of the biggest days of your life that's nice that's nice i'm like i don't think this is one of the biggest days i mean like it's you're having lobster with an old queen in spain and it's a nice day it's a great day it's i wish i were there but like come on let this is this is not like a

28:18Ronnie Karam: let's just relax so now mary saw an alexia in a cafe and uh mary saw some one of those kathy hilton bucket hat things she's like oh my god look at us i'm so happy we're enjoying the day Like we're at peace right now. That's crazy. Watch this. Can I have an espresso? You have that? Oh, my God. They have espresso. Oh, Santa Maria. Okay, bring it. Am I right? Like, could you imagine a better day going to a coffee place with espresso? This is crazy. This is like totally crazy right now.

28:48Ben Mandelker: I know. It's so crazy. I mean, it's been so exhausting. I mean, Alexia, if I have to hear about that airplane one more fucking time, I'm going to need a cocky. The last thing I want to hear is about the same thing over and over and over again to try to make it a thing that people enjoy. That's why I'm going to have a cocky now, a cocky later, and a cocky tomorrow. And each one will be in my special cocky caddy. So that way you know that I'm having a cocky. God, I hate when people really try to make something happen. Like, God.

29:14Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry. Can I get a little espresso cup with jewels on it? I'm really into bedazzling. It's kind of my thing.

29:22Ben Mandelker: You know, I feel like she has this, like, boss attitude. I don't really like it. And Marisol's like, yeah, I mean, everyone's got to work on their delivery. You know, I'm going to start the Marisol School of Delivery, which will actually be about how to deliver things to things. But, you know, that's different. You can also learn how to speak. Because, you know, I know how to hand it over soft. That's what I do. I hand it over soft. And then it comes to Marisol being like, that's a dumbass question to, like, Dr. Nicole.

29:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I know how to hand it over soft. I mean, God, I've learned something from Steve. Am I right? well I admire that about you being so soft you know because like when you don't have that trait and what can I say I was born with it I'm Elsa's daughter she handed it over soft and we get a clip of Elsa going I'm going to hit you with my pocket book

30:10Ben Mandelker: to Elaine

30:14Ronnie Karam: so then Marissa goes fucking Elsa man she was a classic every little thing they show of Elsa is just gold she doesn't even need that many lines i'm going to hit you with my pocket book

30:27Ben Mandelker: she was so great remember she had that like web series where she had like a like a truck and she was like it was like some sort of food truck i don't know so marisol is like oh by the way i'm talking to richard okay and you know we got a little something up our sleeve and then to me this was crazy we go to a flashback of marisol just facetiming richard branson i was like Richard Branson is relegated to a flashback? This is like a major celebrity cameo appearance on this show and they just are like, oh yeah, remember this thing that happened a little while ago. Let's see three seconds of Richard Branson.

31:07Ronnie Karam: Well, Richard and I are social friends. We met in our social circle. So we see their call and he's like, how's the marriage? I've just prayed to Boat Reynolds. so tell me how it's going with you saying oh yeah we finally made a legal in miami can you believe him richie richie rich or dick you mind if i call you jack jack jack richard dicker we're friends

31:34Ben Mandelker: we're mate we go a long way back we're friends oh yeah he's like well i think you're planning a night uh planning a two-night vacation with all your girlfriends to celebrate your wedding yes because there's one thing we like doing on the show is having my wedding and going on vacations and sort of alternate. So right now we're on vacation. When you get back, we'll have a wedding and then go on vacation again. Is that okay with you, Dick? And that works for you, right?

31:55Ronnie Karam: Are they going to Branson? Is that where the Richard tie-in is?

31:59Ben Mandelker: No, they're going on the Virgin Voyage next week on the cruise ship. Oh, right, right, right. Imagine they're going to the Ozarks. They're going to go to Branson. Well, Dick, I love what you do. So we're going to go to a city named after you and see some Wayne Newton. He'll help you down to join.

32:16Ronnie Karam: listen it's not a real marriage until it's sealed and delivered by loretta sweat am i right r.i.p am i right so marisol's like yeah so darling dick i mean richard he's so generous

32:32Ben Mandelker: i mean he wanted to give me something to celebrate steve and i like reach these new nuptials and i wanted to invite the girls and share dick's love this is so marisol well first of all the fact that she's having her umpteenth wedding celebration her umpteenth wedding to Steve is hilarious but also like Alexia got married on a boat so Marisol of course is like well I gotta do a boat too that's just how it's just that's the rule of bro so what is she saying that

32:59Ronnie Karam: Richard Branson got them the virgin cruise because she said Richard is so generous he wanted to give me something so she's taking she's like okay you know what you can get me a trip for 10 a virgin voyage cruise for 10 people

33:13Ben Mandelker: yep that's exactly what's happening because we've seen the previews for next week we see the we see the cruise ship so marisol's like you know what when you go on his plane there's no rules and when you go on his boats there's no rules you can smoke you can poop you can do whatever you want oh my gosh except yeah except maybe uh i don't know missing out on the on the safety instructions so then I'm like watching imagine Marisol running amok on the cruise ship being like no rules guys am I right like just cut to her being like tied up in the tied up in the bilge yeah

33:52Ronnie Karam: I got a cocky I have a right to call my cocky

33:58Ben Mandelker: like ma 'am you were trying to break into the captain's quarters no rules though am I right

34:04Ronnie Karam: so now we go to back to Marbella and they're having lunch and Lisa, they're talking about how fancy the lunch is and Lisa's like, oh my God, I love rich people dinner. You know what? I feel like I want to be classier here, you know? Like I want to hold the glass by the stem. That would be crazy, right? I can feel like I need to be like super elegance. You know, I want to talk like rich people English. Do you have any great poupon? Hey, you got any great poupon? Could

34:33Ben Mandelker: she just like, she's so embarrassed. like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman in the first part of the movie. Like, you were married to Lenny for 12 years. And look, you guys are both trashing new money, but did you learn anything about how to be around wealth? Anything at all? What has happened?

34:51Ronnie Karam: She goes, yeah, you got me Grey Poupon? Give me some of that. What is it, sauce? Whatever it is, give it to me. It's so embarrassing. I can't with her. So she's like, alright, everybody, raise your glasses. Kiki goes, how many toasts do you have today?

35:09Ben Mandelker: you're done no more toast this is amazing and also i wish our friends were here because that's nice so he goes we should pour a drink out for the poor drink i was like don't pour your nice champagne out on the table okay you are not at some you're not at some frat house in miami come

35:29Ronnie Karam: on get it together i love we should pour a drink out and garty goes they're not homies that are dead in LA girl put it down put it down I'm not gonna do that they're all just like oh my god

35:40Ben Mandelker: she is mortifying Larson's like it's like embarrassing like you know I'd like award shows when they have like the music play because you know people are talking too long they're like and people like wait I just have a few more things to say but they're like playing the music because it's like going on for like so long and then eventually they like cut to my commercial because it went on so long but they played the music over them and they cut the mic like that's what they need to do for lisa right play the music so julia is like i just want

36:09Ronnie Karam: to say to everyone here what a special god is to me this is not just my friend you are my family i would so love for my boys to be part of your mansion and pool and view of the ocean so i want to ask you you and jeffrey the boring one hello jeffrey thank you for not speaking ever no one need to would accept to be godfather of little boys and please say yes don't say no i brought all these people here will you sign this paper boys get money right boys get god god god sons

36:40Ben Mandelker: get money you know right it's like absolutely absolutely everyone claps imagine he's like

36:47Ronnie Karam: unfortunately we can't do that i know i thought for a minute wow this is going to be like an adrian malou set moment where taylor's like okay so you didn't say you'd be my children's godparents but will you you want to be my children's godparents she's like uh no no not really i don't that's that's a huge thing to ask no i forgot 100 about that so embarrassing oh my god i remember the level of courage he's like uh no no i children have two wonderful mothers two

37:22Ben Mandelker: sisters a goat and a chicken and i hope that they will one day meet soon and they will come around I hope my daughters come around, because the boys don't have a male figure in their life, and now they will. They will have a male figure in a remote land that they will see once or twice. And this is just so important to us, and Derek, who is my closest friend, is now, like, officially a part of our family. It is special.

37:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so they go take a little walk together, and Adriana says, you know, I'm really happy for them. Like, you know, they wanted the godparents, so it's good to have it. but I have to admit I'm a little bit sad that I wasn't asked. I mean, it feels a little bit rachad to me. You know what I mean?

38:04Ben Mandelker: I clearly say it rachad.

38:08Ronnie Karam: I'm just saying rachad. Did you not understand what I said? I said rachad.

38:16Ronnie Karam: What did you hear me say? Maybe you're just hearing it wrong.

38:23Ben Mandelker: so then stephanie is of course calling masoud and she's like babe look how beautiful this house is it makes me miss you it's like so different being here without you he's like i love you and no i haven't even told you the half of it like i just like didn't know like that the world was like so harsh out there because i feel like i live in such a bubble like but it's like a happy bubble but i just didn't know the world was so harsh what is she talking about did she like go to a slum or something why is she having some sort of perspective that the world is harsh out there

38:48Ronnie Karam: Because people refuse to go on her private plane. She's like, oh my God, it's such a hard life out there, Masood. But I'm normally surrounded by such love. He's like, because you are under my wing, my little love, my underarm anti-waving wing. Get over here. Come back under. Put your head under my underarm flap. Come here.

39:08Ben Mandelker: I love that wing. And I also love that you applied some degree Cool Rush deodorant under that wing for once. Much better. Much better.

39:15Ronnie Karam: Masood it is so bizarre being in a mansion with a senior citizen male that's not you

39:24Ben Mandelker: so Gertie and Kiki are talking and Kiki is saying like about the ratchet thing you know you know when they've been calling us she said you know talk about how it bothers her and she's basically like I'm not gonna have a conversation with Adriana here and like maybe in Miami I'll talk like maybe in Miami I will but like I'm not doing it I didn't leave my kids to start drama okay I'm gonna have the best time um so then Adriana and Lisa are talking and Adriana's like so I couldn't sleep last night thinking what I did say like what was so bad about it and Lisa's like well you said ratchet and then they're looking at the phone and Lisa's like oh you said wretched you said wretched oh Oh, you thought, okay, because we thought that you said ratchet, but you said wretched.

40:15Ronnie Karam: So Adriana's like, yes, I was looking on my phone all night at this word, trying to stare at it to figure out what's wrong with it. Look at the word. It's like, that's wretched. That's a tool. That's a tool. So don't feel bad about that. And she's like, yes, I said wretched. And she goes, oh, well, it sounded like you were saying ratchet. She goes, no, that's what I'm saying. Ratchet. No.

40:39Ben Mandelker: I was upset that they did not do a slow-mo, like, rewind at that moment of her saying it, because I'm pretty sure she said ratchet.

40:48Ronnie Karam: She said ratchet. She said ratchet. Um, I mean, she said ratchet. Sorry, I read it. That was, that's crazy. Because even now when she says this, she's like, ratchet. I'm like, no, last time you said ratchet. It's different.

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43:33Ronnie Karam: And so they go to Jeffrey or whatever his name is and they're like, well you're English so why don't you say wretched? And he's like, wretched. She goes, see? It sounds just like that. Wretched. He's like, wretched. Yeah, see? Wretched. That's what I said. So Lisa I was like, okay, well, she has an accent. I'm actually just calling you that now. You're wretched. Please leave the estate. I thought you were asking my opinion on your behavior, but. You are the one who keeps saying Grey Poupon over and over again. Wretched. Absolutely wretched. And ratchet, if I do say so myself.

44:15Ben Mandelker: Two for one discount. Really? um so he's like i am aware so then julia and derek are talking and julia is like you know when you last saw the adoption came up it was tough because like i don't know maybe we can call them like the children and see them and like checking them so they facetime the kids and like you know this is your these are your this is your godfather the kids are like poopy pop

44:39Ronnie Karam: because i have no idea what's going on the kids are like coloring on the walls with sharpies you know yeah carving tattoos with glass scratching a treasure map into the f-150 that julia has so um martine is like oh my arm my arm is falling off honey i have to go okay you can try and get sympathy from the audience on your own time mama's trying to take care of some boys over

45:07Ben Mandelker: here so then julia's talking about her daughters and how her daughters are like not talking to her right now and derek is like you need time time is all it takes look look how much i enjoy you now because i've had three years since i've seen you last and i'm only slightly rageful right now let

45:28Ronnie Karam: me just tell you something that normally i wear a bowl gown to say time here is everything all right this is not time for this okay please I can't take it right now my daughters why won't they talk to me well darling it's just over exposure to you sweetie just let it go I'll talk to them they can be mad at me because I don't care I'm

45:58Ben Mandelker: gay and wealthy so no one will ever be truly angry at me for very long just Well, just tell them. Tell them! Tell them how I miss them. And I hate talking about it. But like if they would have known 1%, 1 % how much I miss them. I'm sure they would not wait so long. And Martina, oh me, I don't cry a lot. But Martina, she's much softer than me. When you look at Martina, you see there is a soft woman. Soft, soft Martina. Always sobbing on the tennis court. Subbing tears down her eyes. Martina, the softest lady on the entire show. Oh, she is so soft. She is hurting so much. Derek, please help.

46:36Ronnie Karam: Oh, they'll be back, darling. They'll be back. Oh, I could not imagine having boys with upset girls. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. So she says bye to him, and it was wonderful and amazing. So now let's go to day five back in Sevilla. Tomas, the hotel employee, brings Lisa her dress, and she's like, Andale, is that what you say here? And he's like, no, here we say ole. She's like, ole. Poupon. Please give me some gray Poupon. You buying it?

47:08Ben Mandelker: You buying it? Do you happen to have some gray Poupon ole? I don't think I don't know what you're talking about now.

47:16Ronnie Karam: Well, Julie and I are planning Stephanie's birthday since a week ago. So I guess we have to go. We're going to go to it. I don't want to hear any complaining about it. we're going to do hors d 'oeuvres and carriages to Plaza Despania, you know, even though Stephanie's been like a really kind of over-the-top little power baby idiot face. I mean, I don't want to lose my deposit.

47:43Ben Mandelker: So they're going to be celebrating Stephanie. So they're all gathering in the lobby, except for Lisa, who's taking a while. And then Marisol's talking to Stephanie. She's like, look, I'm so glad that it was a good day and everybody got along. The pictures were beautiful. I wish I could have seen the house, but I also wanted to be with Alexia, too, because we kind of haven't had any time, you know, because, you know, what's the point of spending all that time with your friend in one place when you could be spending all that time with her in another place, right? We just haven't had a day for her.

48:12Ronnie Karam: I mean, it's just been really upsetting. This whole trip was for Alexia leaving Todd, even though she didn't really leave Todd. She's still happy with Todd. I just couldn't. Why would we spend it with someone picking a godfather or someone else who just got over cancer? I mean, that's ridiculous. We needed some espresso with jewels on it, and we did it.

48:32Ben Mandelker: So Stephanie is basically like, their story keeps on changing. And then we cut to Larsa telling Alexia that they were missed and everything. And Stephanie is like, so did you – and Alexia is telling Marisol that – Alexia is telling Stephanie that Marisol felt really strongly about the rules, and that's why they didn't come. So Stephanie is like, so did you say that you wanted to stay because you wanted to relax? or is it because you thought I was going to leave you stranded? Like I have too many rules. You aren't my friend. Which one is it? Someone's lying.

49:02Ronnie Karam: And so thankfully people just get in the van so they don't really have to answer. So now they take a fun van ride and they take little carriages now. So they're riding around the plaza in carriages and they look beautiful in these dresses. I mean, this whole sequence is just really good looking. And Stephanie's like, I never thought I'd be in Seville on a horse carriage in a dress. I mean, this is fabulous. I just love the smell. I do. I love it. It reminds me of the farms in Columbia before I was, you know, a trillionaire. And Kiki's like, okay, okay, too far now. Too much. We don't need to smell the Columbia farms, even in memory.

49:40Ronnie Karam: Please.

49:41Ben Mandelker: So they arrive in this plaza. This is like a big historical plaza. I've never been to Seville, and I don't know much about the city, but I have to imagine this is like one of the big spots. and they show up and Marisol tells everyone about what it is and it's like a place where people would dance flamenco and everything and it's crazy because they basically cordoned off an area where they're going to be shooting so you have like, actually a giant crowd has like assembled on the edges of this plaza so here come the real housewives of Miami in this historical landmark location and they have like a crowd watching them all do like flamenco or well, first I have flamenco singers sing happy birthday to Stephanie.

50:22Ben Mandelker: It's kind of like a wild scene in production. Like it's a very large scale moment.

50:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she FaceTimes Masoud. She's like, oh my God, I miss you so much. They're singing to me, Masoud. They're singing to me. And Julia's like, well, we thought, you know, with Marisol, it would be so special to feel welcome like this, to feel that she's part of us. We are so thoughtful people, right, Gordy? and Gertie's like, this is epic. This is absolutely epic. I've never seen anything like this in my life. Why did you just pour water on me? It was not a friendship. This is what I do. You know, it's no big deal.

51:00Ben Mandelker: They're also treating Stephanie like a make-a-wish child because they're like, Stephanie does not know how to make friends. She doesn't understand how to be a friend to person. We want to show her how to be a friend and that you are part of a group. And Stephanie's like, oh my God, I have friends. They're doing something nice for me. This is crazy. They're like, come on. Come here, sweet little girl. Here, you get to understand friendship for a day.

51:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's like, this is so sweet and so nice. But wait, they were just like saying I was bossy a second ago. I'm going to fight with them anyway. Yeah, that's our gift.

51:31Ben Mandelker: The greatest gift you can give to me would be to fight with me right now.

51:35Ronnie Karam: So they dance now and talk about, and, you know, Adriana explains Flamenco to us some more. And then Stephanie thanks Mary Sol and Julia for planning this thing. And so now they're up on this castle balcony and kind of walking around this gorgeous castle. And so Stephanie's like, oh, my God, what a beautiful, touching moment. Alexia, do you want to go fight? She's like, oh, my God. Okay, I'll do it. Why? Not in front of Frankie. Not in front of Frankie, please. That's a statue of St. Francis. Please, not in front of Frankie.

52:08Ben Mandelker: St. Frankie. Stephanie's like so I wanted to talk to you because I didn't want to talk in front of everybody because then it gets too crazy Okay, but can you explain to me what happened yesterday? And she goes oh well maybe Marisol should be here too because I feel like it's more Marisol So like you really shouldn't be fighting with me And she's like, okay. Yeah, but like she threw this for my birthday So I don't want to fight with her because she arranged that singing thing So i'm gonna have to come after you instead. She goes, okay. Yeah, like I understand but like It doesn't have to be like your rules I feel like Marisol should be here because she wanted to spend the day with me So like, she's a big important part of the conversation.

52:39Ben Mandelker: And I needed a day for myself to be with Marisol. And like, that's what we decided to do. So it was her decision. It was her decision for me to have my decision to have a day with her. That's it.

52:48Ronnie Karam: But I like that Alexi immediately is like, you know what? Like, it doesn't have to be on your rules, okay? Because like, I like my rules better. And my rules is that Marisol should be, now she's going to fight over her rules. So she goes, okay, well, the way I felt, I felt like everybody there was on the way there. And she's like, but like, I don't want you to take it personally. It's just that we don't like you. And she's like, wait, I let you finish. And she's like, no, no, because if you're going to talk to me like that, like I appreciate you not talking to me like that because this is the thing with you.

53:15Ronnie Karam: Like you're trying to set rules and this is the problem. And so you know what I'm going to do now? I'm going to kind of put my head up and shake my head and then nod it and blink a lot. So you're going to get very confused. Do you see what I'm doing? Okay, go by my rules, not your rules, because I don't know what you're talking about right now. Do you see? Do you see?

53:32Ben Mandelker: And you talk to people like that. It's like, you're very condescending, Stephanie. and like you're talking to me like that and it's only with me and you don't want Marisol here like that's not right and Stephanie's like no I'm going to talk to Marisol just like because I'm not talking to you guys together because we're like you're not twins and I'm allowed to talk to you guys at separate times she goes no no no you're not and like I'm not allowed to talk to you like and I'm not allowed to talk to you or not whenever I want to as well which is and I am allowed to as well which is my favorite thing that Alexia does when she throws that to the point like you are it's like you are though I'm allowed to talk to you guys separately and I'm allowed to talk to you too and I'm allowed to pull you to the side and I'm allowed to pull you to the side.

54:07Ben Mandelker: I'm going to the side. I can decide if I want to go to the side, not just you.

54:11Ronnie Karam: She's my favorite kind of argument on Housewives. The classic, you are, but you are. Nuh-uh, you are. So Stephanie's like, okay, but like I got on the bus and they said to me, who's they? Who's they? Who's that? Who's that? I don't know they. Who's they? Julia, Gertie. You told everybody that I dangled a plane in front of you, but you do, you do it. You dangle a plane. You're like Godzilla holding a plane, okay? Was that the monkey? Was Godzilla the monkey or the dinosaur? Like, I don't remember each one, but like, that was scary. Okay, that was scarifying. Okay, and Marisol said the same thing.

54:44Ronnie Karam: And you know what? You could ask her, but she's not here right now because you wouldn't do it because it's your rules.

54:49Ben Mandelker: You said that you were so scared that if I broke a rule, I was going to leave you there. What kind of human do you think I am? I would never do that to someone unless they broke the rules. I don't understand where you got this from. Alex is like, well, did you or did you not do that? Because same with the seating thing, remember? We see a flashback to that when she was being a little tyrant. And Alex is like, you know, you're like trying to separate people. Like, let's try and fix it. You're trying to separate. He goes, really? Because I wanted to bring everybody on the plane together. No, that's what I've been doing.

55:17Ben Mandelker: I actually wanted to bring people on a plane. I was going to do the plane thing too, but you did the plane.

55:21Ronnie Karam: I love Stephanie. I wanted to bring everybody on the plane. Yeah, and then separate them into different rooms and close the door.

55:31Ben Mandelker: that's true she wanted to cordon people off on the plane to bring people together

55:35Ronnie Karam: yeah i wanted to bring them together like you bring food into a bento box everything must be

55:40Ben Mandelker: separated so you want to immediately people behind you disguise yourself as a friend and then backstab me she goes oh you're so rude and disrespectful no you are you're a liar so then alexa starts walking away and stephanie starts going after you are weak your fragile little ego is weak.

55:55Ronnie Karam: Oh, gosh, she's so terrible. Stephanie's so fucking terrible, but I was laughing, too. So, like, she's like, I'm not going to talk to you anymore because this is how you belittle women, okay? Because you, look at you. You're the women belittler. Am I right? You guys remember when she said I was mean to women? Look at her. She's belittling me right now. And she's little, too. It's like a little person belittling. It's so much belittling right now. You're basically a mouse on a roller skate. That's how little you are right now, Stuart, okay? Stop it.

56:21Ben Mandelker: You were like that song. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, Don't worry. Be literal. Okay. That's what you're doing right now. So Alex is like, I'm not going to talk anymore. Okay. So Adrian was like, oh God. So they're already fighting again. Are we? This is, this is rather behavior right now.

56:40Ronnie Karam: This is so, you see? And Julie is like, no way, no, no way, no, not good. That's what that means. And Marisol is asking what happened. And Alex is like, yeah, well, I'm tired of you reprimanding me over and over. this, that, this, that, belittler. Women belittler. Okay, why don't you take out a list? A little list, okay? Take out a little list. And Stephanie is like, she wanted me to leave you behind, Lisa, and we were in the car ride, and you said, and they're like, what? That's not true. They never told you to leave her behind. And so Lexi is, oh, okay, so now you're going to lie.

57:13Ben Mandelker: I'm saying, no, I'm not lying. It was, but it was, it was, it was Larsa who wanted to leave Lisa behind. And in fact, I think we see a flashback somewhere in here that it was larsa was like i don't want to come so then everyone now everyone's joined together into this group and in the middle of this like beautiful colonnade and lisa's like wait who asked who has to remove me from the plane for the day and lex is like larsa larsa and stephanie and stephanie that's not true so but it's 100 true it is true stephanie who introduced the idea at that tile class of like hey should we not have her on the plane how do you feel larsa yeah i can't have

57:49Ronnie Karam: drama on my plane guys it's a plane and planes can't handle drama it was totally her so lisa's like i'm so confused but you know i mean did you know gray coupon is like yellow like what the fuck why would they call it that so we we see the flashback here that shows that stephanie was the

58:11Ben Mandelker: one who asked larsa and so lisa's like larsa you don't control the group and you're working over time to try and get everyone against me. Oh, take notes on your friends. Take notes on your friends. Noted, Petty Pippin. Petty Pippin, everyone.

58:23Ronnie Karam: Petty Pippin. By the way, she didn't want to be at your plane because she didn't want you to dingle the carrot. Okay? Carrot dingler. And Stephanie's like, well, that's the truth. And Alexi says, so tell her the truth. So say it to her. And she's pointing at Marisol. And so Gertie's like, oh my God, call her the Chihuahua, but we have the Rottweiler. Okay? We are the Rottweiler right now.

58:46Ben Mandelker: This is so good. So then Stephanie is like, it wasn't that she wanted to hang out with you. That's the truth. And Alex is like, no, she wanted to stay. She wanted to stay. And Marisol's like, stop demanding an answer from people. We don't answer to you. And I think one thing that we are not emphasizing is how this was all happening all at once. Yeah, they're all talking over each other. So fast. Like, I have to, I mean, like, when I was watching it, I was like, oh my God, our poor note taker. Because I couldn't even keep up watching it. This was over in like 30 seconds.

59:15Ronnie Karam: Yes, but the way they're all talking over each other is so funny actually reading all their little lines. Because when I was watching it, I was just laughing the whole time. You just hear little random snippets. But this is so good. You're lucky I'm shutting my mouth. Open it then. Open it then. Open your mouth then. La, la, la, la, la. You're all lumpy and bumpy. Bumpy, lumpy. This is so ratchet. Now, this is what I call ratchet. And Adriana's like, oh, my God. See, look. Our thing seems like nothing now.

59:42Ben Mandelker: kiki right so marisol tells stephanie shut your in spanish is like shut your mouth i've had it up to here you don't have to give you an explanation we don't have to give you an explanation like we didn't want to go on your plane and that's it she's like oh so you're so your twin's just gonna like do whatever you want to huh that's what's gonna happen and like it's like no she's not she's independent and she thinks in a certain way isn't that right marisol i'm independent and

1:00:05Ronnie Karam: i think in a certain way that's it yes okay then then if you're gonna talk to us then you should talk to her too and not just me. She goes, well, how can I talk to you? Because you're not standing together. You're twins. You're standing across from each other. I don't have eyes. They can go like this. They can go like this.

1:00:25Ben Mandelker: Alexia and Marisol are flip-flopping and screaming and they're saying one thing and then they try acting another way and this is exactly what I go through with my sisters. And it's really, really triggering to me. Oh, come on. You cannot bring your sister shit into this. That is hilarious that she tried to pull this card.

1:00:37Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm glad she did because it shows exactly what's going on with her sisters. She's an asshole. And then when anybody reacts, she's like, oh, my God, they're so sensitive. They're just so sensitive. No, you're an asshole. Like, if you have the balls to be an asshole to everybody, then have the balls to not care when they get mad about it. You know, can't have it both ways.

1:00:58Ben Mandelker: She is so threatened by the fact that I'm now friends with you guys and she couldn't split up the group. Can I say something? Please do. What I don't understand is that even though Adriana and I, we had our differences the night before, but we still put it aside to get on the same flight. So then Adriana sees this as a way to get in, and she's like, oh, by the way, Kiki, I owe you an apology. I'm sorry for using a word that has double meaning. So you're saying you did say ratchet then.

1:01:24Ronnie Karam: I think her argument is she was saying wretched, and she doesn't even know what ratchet is because she's showing the word to everybody in the dictionary. Like, I didn't know this was bad. It doesn't say in the dictionary it's bad. And they're saying, yeah, ratchet is bad. And she's like, I know, but I didn't know because it's ratchet. It's in the dictionary. And they're like, but it's bad. So she's not even taking it as a separate word. Her defense is she was saying wretched, and they're telling her that wretched also has racial undertones, like racist undertones. And she didn't know that wretched had racist undertones.

1:02:00Ronnie Karam: I still don't even think that she thinks they're talking about ratchet. I think from what she's claiming, she doesn't even know that ratchet is a word. She's still fighting about the word wretched, right?

1:02:07Ben Mandelker: Or maybe she's saying, I meant to say wretched, but the way it came out of my mouth was ratchet, and I didn't mean to use the word ratchet.

1:02:13Ronnie Karam: Well, when she says a word has double meanings, wouldn't that mean that she's using one word in one way, but they're taking it as a different way? That's how I'm taking it, but I don't know. I think she said ratchet.

1:02:24Ben Mandelker: This is so Adriana. She goes, you know, we all have times where we stick our foot in our mouths and say things we don't necessarily mean I'll get misconstrued I misunderstood so I'm forgiving myself and I'm forgiving Kiki I thank you for forgiving yourself for calling her ratchet that was the first step

1:02:42Ronnie Karam: it's just so this show and Kiki's like okay I accept your apology however you know I said a word to you and you know it was very hurtful it was awful and so Kiki's like yeah you know but you know I think you're the most beautiful woman and I always give you compliments so please start taking your power and be like you know what i am older i am smart and i'm beautiful because that's how i view you you old skink they're like hugs yeah somehow this craziness winds up with

1:03:14Ben Mandelker: like resolution for the two of them so now they all sort of head they head back to the radisson and marisol is like crying and she's like oh i still gotta get my breath back i mean everything was crazy i thought it was horrible wow and kiki's like why are you crying she's like i don't know today was beautiful and i'm just a little emotional right now that's crazy i mean i miss my steve and my khaki so yeah she seems upset by the fighting she's such a weirdo i know lisa alexia and julia are on their their presidential suite patio on the roof and they're talking and this is my favorite part they come around the corner lisa's like whoa and she's like oh god that looked like jesus and we see there's a patio umbrella on another rooftop and like from the angle it looks sort of like jesus and then they put this halo effect on it that's on the umbrella i die that was the funniest

1:04:08Ronnie Karam: thing so when we go to larza and stephanie and lars is like are you like getting comfortable i feel like a what and stephanie says yeah you know i need comfort because i just started thinking about what happened and i'm not okay with it i just feel like i might not might not be so much alexia but maybe marisol too so um then we go to marisol kiki and adriana and i you know adriana

1:04:33Ben Mandelker: is like well also don't don't overlook that she once again draws a connection to her twins because stephanie once again tells a story about how like she's actually saying like it's really marisol who's the problem it's not alexia so that way she can still be friends with alexia and she's like saying how Marisol likes to play two sides of everything. And, you know, and that's just what her sisters would do. They would tell me one thing to my face and another to my back. Like you can really, this is a stretch drawing your family trauma, putting it on, grafting it onto Marisol. And I say this as someone who enjoys it when anyone grabs anything onto Marisol, but this is a stretch.

1:05:05Ronnie Karam: Well, Marisol does do that too, though. She does flip-flop and she won't just be honest. Like she should have just said what she's told the audience, which is, listen, you're sitting down, You're making rules about behaving and who's going to be kicked off the plane. And it just starts feeling gross to me. And I don't want to be a part of that. So if you're going to do that, then you do that. But I don't want, but instead she's like, well, we were tired and it's for Alexia. We haven't spent any time together, but then she's telling the other ladies, this other thing instead of, she probably just doesn't want to fight with this girl, you know, but yeah,

1:05:36Ben Mandelker: she's always been sort of cowardly when it comes to fighting. Yeah. So now we have Marisol and Kiki and Adriana, and Adriana saying how she's heartbroken. And Marisol's like, well, that's why you three are here. Part of my petite committee, because now we have the crews coming up with Dick, you know, Dick's crews. And like, this is great, but I don't see a future where anybody's getting along with anyone anytime soon. Wow. How do we set this up?

1:06:01Ronnie Karam: So now back on the rooftop, Alexi is like, oh my God, Stephanie's trying to create friction and conflict between our friends. Like, I'm not going to allow her to do that, you know? And that Larsa saw Stephanie's ass. Like, I don't like that. Yeah, and I've never seen her act like that. Yeah, you know what? I put yourself in my shoes. And I was like, oh, oh my God, these shoes are so high. And like, how can plastic hold me up so high? But also like, you have to be hurting, right, Lisa? Oh my God, poor Lisa. You're hurting so bad, Lisa.

1:06:30Ben Mandelker: And then Alexia's like, you know, I just, you know, like, and you unfollowed. You unfollowed Marcus, right? You unfollowed. Good, because I'm happy you did that. Because Lisa's like, wait, what's that smell? What's that smell? It smells like death. And then it turns out that there's a funeral procession, like a big funeral procession happening downstairs. And, you know, Adrian was like, oh, Dios mio. Oh, God, not during a funeral, not during death. And I'm like, this show, the way they're able to have these crazy things happen during their big fights. Like last year, it was in Mexico City, like on those boats.

1:07:01Ben Mandelker: And then like another boat came by with like the mariachi band. It's just like I was dying. I was like, of course, there's like a giant funeral procession happening down the streets below. And of course, they're like going to use that as like they're the thing that brings them all together.

1:07:17Ronnie Karam: Like, oh, my God, it's like, oh, my God, is that what death smells like? I smell it. Oh, gross. Lenny. So they look down over the roof and they're watching this huge funeral procession walk by. And they're like, oh, my God, I cannot believe we were having this conversation about you on Following Marcus. And then the funeral passed. This is so beautiful. This is so beautiful. It's like an angel is telling us that you are right to unfollow Marcus. Like, this is such a beautiful moment.

1:07:44Ben Mandelker: Can you believe that Jesus is here watching the whole thing? No, that's still an umbrella, Lisa. Are you sure?

1:07:54Ben Mandelker: They all hug. They all hug.

1:08:00Ben Mandelker: It's so wacky.

1:08:02Ronnie Karam: It's so good. It's so funny every single time. It's a good one. alright everybody well join us next week because it looks like it's time to go on the virgin cruises with the real housewives of me jam jams we sure love you guys we will see you later this afternoon for some amazon live and go on patreon if you want videos hi everybody on video if you want videos or bonus episodes and we'll talk to you next time bye

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