#2990 RHOC S19E09 Part 1: Katie-Sixed

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3:06Ben Mandelker: of this show no matter what happens yes you get to stay i will continue to shoot with you thank you my spicy little asian thank you um uh we are talking about real houses of orange county the internet is losing its shit they've gone crazy there's a lot to talk about we're gonna get into all of it. Just a reminder, we've got crappy hour on Monday. Come join us for that. In case you haven't seen the latest, we are kind of doing this thing where we alternate one Monday crappy hour, one Monday Amazon live, and that's really fun. So crappy hours at 530 Eastern, I'm sorry, Pacific, 830 Eastern. And then of course, join us on Patreon, get access to our bonus episodes we had so much fun doing a trailer trash of the potomac trailer i think we what was that like over an hour ronnie i think it was like an hour and 10 minutes yeah i was expected that it was long a two minute trailer we spent an hour and 10 minutes talking about it and dissecting it so definitely go check that out on patreon and you also get access to our videos uh with crappens on demand hello everyone out there um and if you uh don't want to watch our videos on patreon after a week or so they go onto YouTube, but you probably want to watch them fresh.

4:30Ben Mandelker: So they're right there. Patreon. That's the news. And now we are going to talk about Orange County. And I've got to say, Ronnie, people are mad at this season as these dumb hookers fault. Okay. Everyone's saying this season's so toxic. We're getting an audience reaction like we got for New Jersey. And first of all, I want to say audience, be careful because I know we're all annoyed at this Katie situation, But like overall, I actually think that Orange County is in a really good place. I think it's like a really good cast. And let's not spook Bravo into doing too many things. However, if this is a quote unquote toxic situation that Bravo is like, we got to like shuffle some people out.

5:11Ben Mandelker: I think is this finally going to be the thing that gets us Gina and Emily out the door? Because I think they'll never go. They're not going to go. They're not going to go. No, they're going to keep them. Yeah. I just, I think that if heads roll because of the season, if, if like the perception is that things are too toxic and Bravo feels like they've got to make some wholesale changes, I think they did it to themselves. They did it to themselves. It's one thing. Okay. Katie's a liar. She's obviously, Katie obviously lied. Okay. But the fact that they are, they're crucifying her for it and they won't even shoot with her to the point where she has to leave the show.

5:53Ben Mandelker: and then that's the toxicity right there and you guys are going to do it to yourselves you're trying to shoot katie off and now some of you guys may lose your your jobs as a result of it

6:01Ronnie Karam: congratulations you idiots well they're all lying gretchen lies in this episode i mean katie's aren't worse than theirs and i believe katie when she said that gretchen and slade said that so i don't know you know they're just there's somebody lies in it it's really hard to keep them all straight there was literally a point last night where i just grabbed my head and said what are we even talking about at this point it's like she said this and you said this and 12 years ago you said this but then they're showing a time stamp of 12 years ago but then it's 13 years ago and tamra's like but remember when i sat down with slate and i apologize and i was like yeah but that was a year before this other clip where you were saying mean things i mean it's just my timeline i'm exploding my head is exploding it's too much it's too much but i'm enjoying it much still enjoying yeah you know what i gotta say yeah also i have to ask you a question that has nothing to do with orange county i'm sorry everybody to derail it recap so quick go ahead should i be friend the baby bobcat that's living outside because i know you're friends a baby bobcat is living outside is that what you call them kittens where i saw yesterday for the first time i was playing piano in the window and there was a little baby well i thought it was i mean i thought it was a lion it looks like a lion it's like a little baby and it has spots on it it's like obviously a wild cat of it i tried to but it got away i was so shocked to see it well first i thought it was a mountain lion but those don't have spots so the only other option is bobcats and i didn't even know we had bobcats here until we went to ann margaret's house and she had a sign that says bobcat crossing and i was like we have bobcats and so i looked up do bobcats have spots and they do and they live in the hills so i have a baby bobcat but then that means there's other babies and possibly a mom protecting the baby but and it's not it's just not a kitten no it's not a

7:49Ben Mandelker: cat it's like a wild cat i would not so i would personally i would not befriend it because if there is a mama mama may come calling and i think we don't go near that also i think it's a wild

8:02Ronnie Karam: animal so i don't think you should befriend it but it's so let nature take its course it will get a kitten then i i just don't those are in my house i want this one outside the house i want to be like i think no i think enjoy it from outside have you seen monique from real housewives of potomac she's been walking around with these little baby hummingbirds that keep coming to her and coming right to her hands and stuff she's like magic wow that's my dream to be like that with baby bobcats we have hummingbirds on our patio we have a little hummingbird feeder

8:30Ben Mandelker: and i would i've seen people do that and i would love i don't know how you do that maybe you need to have essential oils or something they don't come to our hands but also like we have there's like a bunch of green hummingbirds which are sweet and lovely but then there's this one big orange one who i've named gill and he just comes and he always scares everyone away he's like very territorial about the feeder and i'm like that's such a gill thing like he's the guy in the office who just like walks into the break room and everyone has to scatter and so gill ruins everything so i think any chance i would ever have of like befriending a hummingbird gill ruins well but if

9:02Ronnie Karam: i made friends with the bobcat the bobcat could eat gill you see and then you'd be a you'd have hummingbirds and I'd have a killer bobcat on my side.

9:10Ben Mandelker: You're not bringing the bobcat over to our patio to kill the gil. I don't like gil, but I will protect gil. I'm not protecting fucking gil. Fuck gil. You should take a picture of your bobcat next time you see it. Have you seen it more than once?

9:24Ronnie Karam: I try to. No, I just saw it yesterday. It was just like walking around the hill and I was so shocked to see it and of course I was like, hi! I was talking to it and it wouldn't turn around because the window was closed. but i um tried to get a picture but i just got a picture of the bush so anyway the point is we're real housewives of orange county season 19 episode 9 uh which is also kind of known as befriending the bobcat because everybody decides to be nice to tamara again which i don't really get but here

9:52Ben Mandelker: we go here we go so um we start off and we see like the recap of of all the crazy stuff from last week and Katie being like, Kendall, I'm done. I didn't lie. I didn't lie. I never said this. Oh, did you see the conspiracy theory from today about Katie? And what is that? Okay. This is this one. Honestly, I think this is ridiculous. So Katie, the new conspiracy theory is that there is a, there's some account out there that's saying that this is somehow Sheena's fault, which,

10:24Ronnie Karam: Oh yes, I did see that.

10:26Ben Mandelker: Yes. This is my favorite conspiracy theory. And I think it is 100 % not true i don't think it's pretty funny because katie is doubling down katie clearly told kiki okay like kiki has said it i believe kiki on this i don't think kiki like i just don't think this is i don't i don't see why it like why kiki would cover for sheena if she heard her from sheena but the theory is that sheena and gretchen are really really good friends and it was sheena who told Kiki that Gretchen said that she was roofied, and Kiki is saying it came from Katie. I don't think Kiki has any motivation to set up Katie in that way.

11:11Ben Mandelker: It's too far-fetched, okay? I am on Katie's team, but Katie is messy. She has had a history of lying throughout the season, and she just didn't do it well. I don't know. The Sheena theory, it's entertaining, but I just do not believe it at all.

11:33Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, because even if she did tell Sheena and Sheena told whoever, she still told Kiki, right? We know that she admitted that she went and hung out with Kiki and told her stuff, so I don't know.

11:45Ben Mandelker: But the theory is that Katie's not the one who said it. It was that maybe Kiki got the, I guess maybe Katie's saying like, I told her about the hospital thing, but I never said Rufi and maybe she knows one who said Rufi, but either way, why do we keep, why are we, why are we also discrediting the messy daily mail reporter who got in the middle of all of this? Who's somehow not in any of like, not in any of the online discussion, even though it was outed by Tamara.

12:11Ronnie Karam: Well, and then Tamara said that she, Tamara said the reason that she came out with it on the show was because the kiki told the daily mail and the daily mail told dave quinn and dave quinn called tamra so that's kind of the chain that they're setting up but at this point like who believes anybody on this show i really don't at this point i'm just trying to calm down

12:33Ben Mandelker: and enjoy the show because it's it's too much it's outrageous that this stupid like daisy chain of gossip is something that's going to get someone like kicked off the show like that's what's the true outrage of it because this is also stupid and it's also very par for the course of like lies and rumors that go go around and like this is going to be like you're going to drive someone off the show because of this when there's been like so much lying over the years there have been so many worse offenses over the years and this is what you're all going to rally around and say i

13:05Ronnie Karam: don't feel safe shooting this woman let's concentrate on the real evil here if we're going to go back all the 13 years to Naked Wasted. That was when they went out of their way to get Gretchen as drunk as possible, to have Ryan follow her into the room. Ryan was pouring those drinks too, and then have Ryan follow her into the bathroom and try and have sex with her. And took him a long time to take the no as well. So that's kind of the crime here. And the fact that Tamara has wormed it into her now being a hero of the season, because it's so funny how this show it works. So you've got Tamara, who is the one who brought this on camera, no matter what you say about everybody else and who they told and who they gossiped with and who they did this to and who they blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

13:46Ronnie Karam: It was never brought up on the show. The one who brought it to the show was Tamara. Okay. Tamara was the one who did it. So then it got Katie villainized and then it got Gretchen villainized. And now it's turned around to Tamara becoming friends with Katie, who's now the most popular person on the show because of all the bullying. And now that is leaking off on tamra so now tamra and katie are looking like heroes in this whole thing and who started this whole thing in the first place fucking tamra did fucking tamra did and the way that she's wormed this around to making herself kind of a hero now in the comment sections of this show is just fucking hilarious and somewhat magical like i mean it's it's because it's crazy

14:29Ben Mandelker: it's because you got two dumb dumbs in the mix emily and gina who have like they they're on this righteous campaign and it's blown up in their faces because honestly i don't although heather's

14:40Ronnie Karam: been good about not letting it blow up in her face but heather's way behind this too

14:46Ben Mandelker: i think heather i mean have to i don't think i think heather's just like i don't think heather has not like katie since last year when katie came for her and you know heather's like well you know i don't know if heather would have been like i'm not going to shoot with her but emily and gina are on the righteous campaign they're the ones who seem to be on a righteous life. And Shannon too. But Shannon's also like, that's just Shannon. No one would, no one really ever take Shannon's righteousness seriously. But Emily and Gina, I feel like, are really aggressively against Katie despite any time Gina's like, I really can't for you.

15:17Ben Mandelker: I was like really trying to make it happen. I was like really trying to give you a shot. It's like, no, you really weren't. You can say that you weren't. And if anything, if you have to blame one person, I really blame Emily. I think Emily has gone above and beyond. She arranged an entire polygraph party just to bust this girl. And it's, I don't know what my point was. I think I'm just ranting. I'm just going for it, you know? Emily's stupid. That's the conclusion from today's episode.

15:46Ronnie Karam: Oh, gosh. Okay, so we start in Emily's living room, and they're still talking about the lie detector. It's just flashbacks from last week. She's like, she failed every single question. And Bangs, the examiner Bangs, is like, Yeah, your body reacts to questions in a different way when you're lying. Yeah, we get it. You're also a paid actress, and we know. Very poorly paid, I would assume, bangs. Shut up over there. And also, you're a bad actress because no lie detector is like, that lady's lying her ass off. You are. Shame on you. I hope you are being shamed in the lie detector community that you're not even a part of, really.

16:22Ben Mandelker: I hope you go from the polygraph community to the monograph community because it's just going to be one of you. Listen to that polybangs. i know people be polybags um uh i know people would be very interested in us actually starting this recap but guess what i've got something else to say which is that um in the wake of all this there was a lot of discussion about how polygraphs like a proper polygraph takes like two and a half hours and like you're just not going to get anything realistic from like the short a short polygraph i don't know how long they were up there but it definitely looked like people were up there for 20 minutes maybe and like you can do a targeted polygraph um that's like about a very specific narrow range of questions but even that's gonna take well a while but even though it's

17:08Ronnie Karam: already we know that it's bullshit from what we've seen on the show without even knowing that this guy's been on a million shows rents out his services blah blah blah everything that is brought up later in the show by katie we know for a fact that it's bullshit because we saw gretchen lie in it and um no one even cares like gretchen lied in it and she passed the test so we know that the test is full of shit you know even disregarding everything we know about the current justice system where these are not even admissible in a court of law because they're full of shit and emily who's working for the innocence project trying to get innocent people out of prison uh still like sitting there uh you know waving the flag for a polygraph is ridiculous right people

17:52Ben Mandelker: were talking about that online that like uh like polygraphs are known to like really not be reliable and are often used you know against people and if you're on and yet she's like she should know this as someone who's an advocate for the innocence project that's like a big thing that people were talking about yeah so um tamra's like well anyone i thought you did say that you went

18:13Ronnie Karam: to the hospital question remember when we were in the car we were driving to see crocodiles or something i think you said that you went to see you went to the hospital something don't you remember she's like no and then we see the flashback where gretchen says in the back of that car uh well the next day um yes i did go to the hospital trying to whisper it behind the seat and she's like because i was so sick and she's like no i said that i was sick i should have gone to the hospital that's what i said and shannon's like oh well that doesn't mean that you were roofied if you went to the hospital i mean i'd go to the hospital i mean it doesn't I mean, have I been Rufy?

18:48Ronnie Karam: Maybe I have been Rufy. I don't know.

18:51Ben Mandelker: Rufy's good. So after we're done with the flashbacks of what happened last week, we then land in a really exciting scene, which is Emily and Gretchen getting testosterone injections. So they're here at a Sandra MD, and Emily's like, this is the appointment that Shane always has on the calendar. They're like, don't forget your testosterone appointment. Because I've been getting testosterone implants. So it's like this right size thing that they stick in your butt and like not in your butthole. Let me clarify. I'm hilarious. And it just makes a world of difference. My workouts are better. And I want to have sex with Shane.

19:34Oh, my God.

19:36Ronnie Karam: What are they putting up there? Fucking Molly. what kind of drug do they need to put inside of you to want to have sex with shane i get the biot which is what they're talking about these little um testosterone pills i just got mine last week that's why i'm talking like this this week hi everybody welcome yeah so i get those twice a year i just got mine last week and i can guarantee you right now i do not want to have sex with shane okay so i don't know what kind of magic pill they're putting up her ass but nothing is that

20:08Ben Mandelker: strong yeah um so then uh i think gretchen is talking about how she uh she's like she's like

20:15Ronnie Karam: yeah testosterone is great because all you want to do is like you have sex only long and then

20:20Ben Mandelker: she's like talking about how let me see a flashback of how she broke slate's penis because um she wanted to have sex too much uh but then she also explains that there is a machine that will straighten the penis after it is bent so like really it's just so many medical medical miracles uh that we learn about on this show i didn't even know all this stuff could happen to

20:38Ronnie Karam: wieners that you could break i did know about this you did know about broken wieners my friend uh was

20:45Ben Mandelker: dating a guy with a broken penis and it was a it was an issue yeah yeah like if you like about that like you could get it like because it could like yeah because it's like when stiff it could kind of get kind of like think about like a straw you know if you like you break a straw it's or like

21:03Ronnie Karam: you know or like a piece of straw all the turtles have this washed up with penises sticking out all over their face they're like stop everywhere i mean stop penises they're killing the turtles you don't don't make me think about straws i'm still upset yeah so but you can fix it you can

21:19Ben Mandelker: fix it and uh that's great to know so slate is back up and how can you fix a broken wiener but

21:24Ronnie Karam: i've had the same same stock for two months and had surgery on it i mean the world is just not fair really i'm gonna go get a penis put in my eye i'm just gonna have a penis out of my eye yeah

21:34Ben Mandelker: yeah because when it comes to men's sexual health or just health in general there that there will be a priority to fund research on that don't you worry like who needs your eyes let's get his penis working okay um so how many broken penises there probably are in congress right now they have mass-tracked all the research on that all those need your eye you can just feel around with your

21:56Ronnie Karam: penis okay um so yeah we get to hear about slade's broken wiener and then um gretchen still is talking about his wiener i do not want to hear about slade or shane and their sex i just don't want to hear about it so don't need to know emily is like so after my person new year party I hope that Katie's gone. You're such a monster for making a Persian New Year party. It's such a trash event. Shame on you, especially with your father-in-law in the hospital. And you're supposed to be celebrating Persian. Would your Persian father-in-law be happy that you're using this to ostracize my spicy Asian? How dare you?

22:39Ben Mandelker: That's right. Yeah, no, it is pretty shitty. I don't know enough about Persian New Year to know what it symbolizes and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But it seems like across the board, most cultures, New Year's are like, let's celebrate coming together, moving forward, opening new chapters, yada, yada. I don't think most New Year's celebrations are like, how can we run someone off of our TV show? But that's what she used it for. Although I guess we should maybe circle back to Shaw as a Sunset because they had some pretty toxic moments.

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24:51Ben Mandelker: murders fx's the shards premieres august 5th on fx and hulu gretchen is like yeah as far as i'm concerned i'm not gonna be around if she's around and emily's like yeah in the end like you and Tamra had like a long hug, so remember? Which, by the way, I love Gretchen okay being around Tamra, but God forbid Katie says this thing to Kiki Monique about a passing comment about something that happened 14 years ago. You will not film whatsoever. That's where she draws the line. Come on, give me a break. Give me a break, Gretchen.

25:25Ronnie Karam: So we see a clip of this long hug, and Tamra is saying, Thank you. Thank you so much, Gretchen For taking the time And going to meet with Kiki She's like, yeah, well I needed to Because I needed to know for myself Well, thank you Thank you for getting to the bottom of the gritty Come here, give me a hug, my little friend I'm so glad you're a friend now I'm so sorry you was dragged into this You know, after I, you know, got your waist And had my son follow you into the bathroom And then I had my try to have sex with you And stuff for fun So you could look like the cheating slut that you are Thank you, thank you for the vindication, Gretchen Well, that was very interesting that she was like, thank you for going and finding out the truth.

26:06Ben Mandelker: And I appreciate that you're saying that. But I was also like, this wasn't even for you. This is for me.

26:13Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Gretchen is saying again, something she said about 9 million times over the years. I'm cautiously optimistic that the hug was sincere. And then we can maybe, you know, like, you know, I don't know. I just hope I could trust it. however then we're back in the waiting room and she's like you know i want to ask katie if she even feels remorse and emily's like here's what we need to do we need to do a beach party then we see flashback to jen saying guys i just thank you so much for answering my call i just have a great idea i want to have a party a party in a public place a beach or something that i don't have to you know cook or clean or cater i don't know i was hoping it's between a parking lot and a beach but i don't want to have the same i don't want to have a party in the same location that my gym was located so beach it is i love this innovative idea for a real house west of orange county doing

27:11Ben Mandelker: something on the beach they've never really done that before so emily is like can we get a handle where our minds are right now and put it all out there and just like try to reconcile that because i just would love for tamra and gretchen to just have a conversation or i don't care go into boxing and beat the shit out of each other i mean i just feel like there's like all these grievances from 12 years ago that we keep on reliving and can we hope it's can we just like hop to 2025 please grievances from 12 years ago you're the one who has been rolling around in the grievances like a pig in mud you know like what was this whole katie thing about in the first place you're married to

27:50Ronnie Karam: your grievance from 12 years ago. Shut up. Yeah. So back to the waiting room. You're married to Shane for crying out loud. So we go back to the waiting room again and it's time to get their rice in their butts. Their little rice sized pellets. So I mean that's really it. They get their injections. Yeah. Injections. Yeah. So then we go to Oslo Coffee Company and Jen's there and now it's a big meeting with Katie and Jen. Dun, dun, dun. And I just want to say all I could concentrate on was the giant muffin sitting in the middle of the table that no one was going to touch. And I just knew it was happening.

28:30Ronnie Karam: And I was like, look how much that muffin has put into its look today. It looks so delicious. It's been in glam for like hours. It was prepped. I mean, multiple people worked on this muffin and these ladies are just going to treat it with total disregard. it's almost as bad as last season when uh when gina and jen had a sit down on a coffee shop and

28:51Ben Mandelker: gina ordered the world's largest croissant and didn't even bite it and then she stormed out without even having her croissant i was so mad for months after that disgusting behavior it really is

29:02Ronnie Karam: this from you people carbs deserve respect you know they certainly do so kitty and jen sit down

29:09Ben Mandelker: very serious. And Jen, Katie puts on her purse and Jen's like, oh, I literally thought you like walked up with like receipts or something. And Katie's like, oh, I have them. I have some very, very strong receipts that will fully exonerate me 100%. Just brace yourself for what I've got coming to you. Just get ready. It's like, okay, great. I'd love to see it. So Katie pulls out her envelope and she's like, well, this is just so hard. I mean, you know, I've had so many conversations about our lives. Oh, Jen's, I'm sorry, Jen's saying that. She's saying, we just had so many conversations about our lives, about pasts, about the future, about Ryan's paint splatter denim jackets.

29:47Ben Mandelker: Just so many thoughts about that stuff. I just feel like, what am I missing? And then I sit here after a stupid fucking lie detector test. I'm like, did you even pass any? Like, what am I missing? Jen asking what she's missed is hilarious because to be fair, I think she asked that after every conversation she has with every single person

30:04Ronnie Karam: she has in her entire life yeah it reminds me of that golden girls where um betty white said what i miss and dorothy says just the boat dear uh so jen's like yeah kitty's been such a loyal friend to me you know such a good friend but now i look at all those conversations and i think were those all lies too what do you mean were they all lies when she sat there listening to you sob about your ex or sob about your current or sob about your children or how are those lies Stop being a follower, Jen. So back in the day, oh, Jen's having a real meltdown on social media these days. I heard. I heard that she's having a meltdown.

30:39Ronnie Karam: What's going on with her?

30:40Ben Mandelker: I haven't actually looked into it.

30:42Ronnie Karam: She is basically commenting like, you know what? If you guys, how about instead of hating me, you just go over to Katie's page and you send her love. Because I'm so sick of this race crap. I can't even. This is ridiculous. This isn't even about race. She's just like, stay off social media, Jen. You're making this worse for yourself. Okay. coming on and being like, I'm sick of this race crap. Not great, Jen. All right. So we'll go into more of that on Crappy Hour. I'll bring the videos and stuff. So Katie is like, do you want to see something? I have it in a manila envelope. And she's like, oh no, I don't eat anything with vanilla in it, including that muffin.

31:19Ronnie Karam: Please do not make me read the muffin. She's like, no, no, it's manila. It's kind of an envelope. So did you know that the guy they hired is a paid actor? and she pulls out a piece of paper and she's like, this is Wendy, Wendy, who works for him. This is all on his website, by the way. He tells you all these different things that you can book him for, and some he can do simple acting. What do you think about that? Well, Heather Dubrow does very simple acting, and she's had a job here for years. I don't know we're allowed to hold that against people.

31:53Ben Mandelker: What is simple acting? It's just like, is that basically like you go onto TV and then they give you lines of what you're supposed to say to the people. And then you, I don't know what simple acting is. I could do some.

32:05Ronnie Karam: It just means like I can be, I can do lie detectors or I can act like I'm doing lie detectors, whatever you need me to do. He's like,

32:12Ben Mandelker: I cannot do Chekhov, but if you need me to read some lines from, you know, like empty nests, I can do that. It's like,

32:23Ronnie Karam: yeah, I'll give you a couple of lines from different strokes. but nothing from like Sam. Why can't I think of this?

32:33Ben Mandelker: If you need me to, if you, yeah, Sam, I know you're talking about it. Shepherd. If you need me, he's like, if you need me to be in your infomercial audience and reacting to a product, I can do that. If you need me to do Tennessee Williams, I cannot do that.

32:52Ronnie Karam: He's like, do you want me to pretend I'm driving a car? Great. Sit me in a fake car and I'll drive it. do you want me to improvise driving a car that is much more difficult i don't do that it's difficult acting uh um so chance not do my stance so i like the idea that like the

33:13Ben Mandelker: implication that like maybe he's been accidentally called in to an audition for like fences and he's like unfortunately i can be in an infomercial about fences but i can't be in fences yeah i

33:23Ronnie Karam: I need simpler acting. Yeah, I'm from the school.

33:26Ben Mandelker: Like someone saw him and was like, get this guy in. We need him in our place. I'm sorry. I'm just not qualified for your production. Very difficult acting.

33:34Ronnie Karam: They're like, sir, will you be an extra in Avatar? He's like, that is a lot of makeup. That is difficult acting. Okay, I need simple, simple. That's crossing a line.

33:43Ben Mandelker: I have to speak with my union representative. I'm in SSAG, which is simple SAG. i'm in simple psych after

33:57Ben Mandelker: this may violate our union's rules so katie tells her yeah this guy's an actor and he can do simple

34:03Ronnie Karam: acting and jen goes okay you know what this is fucked up okay is it fucked up that she's telling you this or is it fucked up that they just hired an actor to do the party like what are you mad about do you even know what you're mad about jen jen just came in here ready to be pissed

34:16Ben Mandelker: she was about to offer him a role in an Edward Albee play. This is fucked up. I didn't know he was a simple actor. I thought he was a regular actor. This is really fucked up.

34:26Ronnie Karam: Well, I think I was set up by Gina and Emily. Did you notice every single question was a set up? And she goes, no. I mean, every question was a question to see if you were lying. You know? I think that's

34:38Ben Mandelker: the point. Never ask Jen if she noticed something. Okay? Don't ask Jen that question. There's only one answer to it. No. I didn't notice that so yeah we see that they are all I mean all the questions are you know we see this flashback of Emily saying everyone ask a question that you want to know about each woman and what we're going to do is take a lie detector test and nobody has to do this if they don't want to so Jen's like well I mean I can't take this evidence back to the women they're going to think it's preposterous Kitty's like well if you don't believe me that's okay and to be fair I just don't think this is strong enough This is to say it's too conspiratorial to say these are actors and Emily paid them to recite these lines.

35:20Ben Mandelker: It's just it's just not going to even if it were true. It's just not it's not going to convince these dum-dums.

35:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I mean, it looked like a setup to me. I would just have I mean, I say get the men involved at this point because Matt was there. Ryan was there and Slade was there. So I say get them involved because Matt's sitting there also insisting that he heard it multiple times. And then we have all the calls from Slade. So I say it's time to just bring everybody in and get the truth out.

35:47Ben Mandelker: And note, by the way, this is jumping forward a little bit, but, you know, people were taking screenshots of there's a scene that we're going to get to very shortly about how Matt's reading text from Slade. And all of Slade's text messages are blurred out. So does that mean that Slade did not give like Bravo the authority to show the clearance to show his text, his Texas?

36:09Ronnie Karam: I don't know. Why would you have to give clearance if you've already given clearance that you're going to be on the show? Do they need clearance to show your text too? I don't know, but I think that's fishy.

36:19Ben Mandelker: I think that's fishy. Yeah, that is. I think if it would be exonerating, I think you should. I think it's probably because they were talking about production.

36:28Ronnie Karam: Because Matt said in an interview that he did this week, he went on Stu's podcast. and he was saying that Slade said, hey, you know, you better watch your wife because she's saying all this shit and production is pissed. They don't want this stuff coming back up again. And that's why Gretchen and Slade are lying about it because they don't want to get in trouble with production by bringing up Naked Wasted again because they want to pretend that never happened. So he's - That's why it would be blurred out. Yeah, so Slade is calling and telling him, you know, production's pissed and I've got Alex Baskin on the other line right now and he's extremely pissed off about this so you keep your wife in line and tell her

37:05Ben Mandelker: to lie about it which is exactly what we predicted was was that it was not so much that gretchen was afraid of of uh lawsuits it was that gretchen was afraid of the wrath of alex baskin and bravo yeah but that would make sense okay so that makes sense why it'd be blurred out because production actually does not want to show that they don't want they don't want to they don't want to break

37:27Ronnie Karam: the fourth wall that much well they don't want to make themselves look terrible so um then um we see so jen's like well i'm i'm trying to believe you i mean i'm sitting here listening to you and so we see flashbacks of these questions and then katie's like well gretchen told us the story about naked wasted and then she said the next morning i went to the hospital they did a toxicology report and they found something in my blood she said that and i will die on that she She goes, no, she said she felt like she needed to go to the hospital. She's like, well, that's how she's twisting it. Jen, come on.

38:03Ronnie Karam: I actually believe Katie here. I believe her.

38:06Ben Mandelker: I believe Katie. I believe that this is an honest misunderstanding with Jen. I believe there is room for the idea that Jen is not remembering at all. I cannot tell you how many little gaps in stories I don't remember anymore. Okay? like i would not be surprised if jen was not fully paying attention if jen heard it doesn't remember parts of it and so her truth is that it was not said but i don't know if that is the truth no i don't think that she's lying you think she's covering oh i think she's straight up lying yeah

38:44Ronnie Karam: because i think at the dinner they said it and then when k first of all this is kind of katie's fault for going and running and telling a blogger she shouldn't have done that right if you're at a private.

38:53Ben Mandelker: Yes, Katie is totally culpable in this situation. I think ultimately Katie shouldn't have done

38:56Ronnie Karam: that. But I think that because she did that and Gretchen, if Gretchen and Slade, if Slade called the husband, Matt, and said don't say anything about this because production is pissed, we need to toe the line and say that Gretchen never said it. Then obviously they said that to Jen too. And Jen is choosing to stay with production and Gretchen because Katie never should have run to a blogger in the first place. So I think in her mind she's not doing the wrong thing because Katie never should have run and told stuff from dinner in the first place. So I think in her mind, Katie's still in the wrong because she went to the blogger.

39:28Ronnie Karam: So she doesn't care. She doesn't see it as this big, huge lie. But yeah, I think that Gretchen Slade said it. And I think Jen's lying because they agreed to lie. And Katie broke the pact by going to the blogger in the first place. So I think that's how she's reconciling it in her mind. She's trying to drag me into this drama. I didn't do this. She did this to herself. Yeah.

39:48Ben Mandelker: I mean, I don't know. Jen could be lying. I guess it's more like I could also see a world where she just doesn't remember because it's Jen. Now, I will have to say I'm just sort of like going back a few beats because I feel like getting mad at Gina and Emily again. And I just feel like I've gone five minutes without doing it and I need to do it again. So the sequence of events, Tamara says this thing. Gretchen denies that she ever said it. I'm sorry, Katie denies that she ever told Kiki Monique that. So Kitty does toe the line for a while. They're all towing the line. Tamara storms off, right?

40:25Ben Mandelker: Storms off. And it's pretty much dead at that point, right? Like at that point, Tamara's the bad guy. The people who resurrected it, remind me if I'm wrong. Because guess what? I don't remember the full timeline, which is proof that people don't remember things. But after that, it was Emily and Gina who reached out to Kiki to get to the bottom of it, right? oh no because gina called gina called unrep the reputable journalist right gina went and continued looking this up so gina is the one who also i think there's blood on gina's hands because this was done and it was dead and and katie was being good friends but gina was determined to get to the bottom of this and like for what for to what end the reason why is because she's

41:11Ronnie Karam: addictive because gina emily and katie yeah and they want to get her off so exactly and i think that's shitty actually yeah this it is of course shitty but she but you know katie is still lying katie is still saying that she didn't talk katie is still lying but but gina is the one who actually

41:26Ben Mandelker: asked i'm gonna love just let me be mad at gina okay just let me have a workaround here let me have a mental workaround gina contributed to the escalation of this is what i'm trying to say yeah because i personally think really at the end of the day that katie should not have said this to Kiki, but I also think that Katie, I know we talked about this last week, like how, what was the intentionality behind this? And maybe we should ask Kiki this. I would not be surprised if Katie brought this up because it was like, oh, well, this was the thing that happened, you know, 14 years ago. And like, isn't this funny?

41:58Ben Mandelker: Isn't this crazy? Like why would, it's shocking because Gretchen's coming on this show and like, I mean, Tamara's been awful to Gretchen all these years. I mean, she even tried to like drug her all those years ago. It's like a tiny thing that now gets brought back with such a huge outsized level of importance. And I think that Gina contributed to that because it could have been dead. And Gina decided to keep sticking her nose in it and making it a whole thing. And then to the level where it becomes a polygraph. And now this woman's not even on the show anymore.

42:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Katie is like, well, Jen, I sat there yesterday. I looked at you and you were like, don't look at me. And she goes, well, yeah, because I mean, you light fires and you just want to say Jen knows Jen was there. And like, you want to validate through me and Katie. And I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you know, and it took, you know, and she's basically saying, you can't keep dragging me into your fucking drama over and over and expecting me to fight your battles. Like you started this shit. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. Sorry. And so she felt like she was thrown under the bus by Katie.

42:58Ronnie Karam: So then we see a flashback to the hot pot. We see all these examples of Katie doing this basically to Gina where she's like, well, or to Jen, where she's like, Gina, Jen heard it. Jen heard it. Jen heard it. And Jen's like, oh, I'm not going to fight your fights for you. Stop dragging me into this shit.

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46:33Ben Mandelker: Like you want blood. I don't know what to give you. I'm not lying. I am definitely not lying. I'm like, I don't know, Katie, I'm on your side. Don't get me wrong.

46:44Ronnie Karam: But I believe about, I believe her about this. I believe her about this, uh, slate and Gretchen thing, but Jen's like, well, I'm sitting here telling you it's messy around you and you have to take accountability. And she goes, but I take accountability for when I'm wrong, but I'm not on this. I'm not guilty. And Jen just says, well, that tells me everything I need to know. Goodbye. And so she's done with her. So,

47:07Ben Mandelker: yeah, I think it's, I believe her with the, I believe her with the Gretchen thing. I just want to clarify. It's more like Jen has lied so much in the past. It's like, it's just hard. Like she just keeps on saying, I'm not lying. Katie, you've really, I'm sorry, Katie, you've really sort of like painted yourself. You've got the Ronnie disease.

47:21Ronnie Karam: You're just going to call everybody. Just calling everybody. I'm like, Kyle is such a liar, you guys. Ronnie, that shows not to come back on the air yet. Okay.

47:30Ben Mandelker: So Jen's like, I've been waiting for something to give me an answer. Like, where am I with this friendship? Like, why does this keep happening? She doesn't stand there and say, I've been fucking lying. Trust me when I tell you. I would have remembered if Tamara had drugged Gretchen and she went to the hospital. Katie lied to me the whole time. And that just doesn't work for me anymore. But like, I don't know. I don't know, Jen. I just feel like Jen is, I don't know what Jen wants.

47:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, here's the thing that I think is confusing because Jen's not the brightest bulb on the tree, but we haven't caught Jen in a lie yet, right? That I've seen on the show or that I can remember on the show. I don't think anyone's really caught Jen lying. No, no, she's just such a dummy. She's been around.

48:16Ben Mandelker: Like Ryan is also no angel, right? Like we sense that Ryan has been up to shifty business. And I think that Jen is. I don't know if she's always the best. Honestly, I don't even know.

48:28Ronnie Karam: Well, I guess we have seen her lie because she was having an affair with Ryan. And she said that they weren't having an affair. And Tamara's like, but they were fucking in the parking lot. And she's like, but that wasn't. I mean, we were waiting till the divorce came through. So I guess we have. We were having a conversation in the car. yeah but i i mean the things that we think are a lie but i guess that you know that wouldn't be in the group that wouldn't be group dynamic lying or whatever that would be like private life lying so i'm not sure if you would count that yeah so anyway they're they're done um and katie's crying jen leaves and k jen's katie's like you can go cut the white girl names on this show

49:10Ben Mandelker: like seriously i'm just getting i really i whipped myself up into such a frenzy about that gina rant i had about two minutes ago that i literally i guess i've been sharp i've been short circuiting ever since like i'm like i'm like and then jen and then jen said this and i'm like wait what what's my point why am i like now i'm angry at everything for no reason i'm like and then jen she picked up her coffee and i'm like jen you don't even know how to pick up coffee like wait

49:34Ronnie Karam: no look i'm doing it too and i don't even have rage today i'm just it's just the utter brain melt of this show. It's like she lied about this, but she didn't lie about that. And then that girl lied about this, but she may not be lying about this. And then Gretchen probably lied about that. Slate's definitely lying, but then Gretchen might not be lying. Maybe Gretchen didn't hear, but Tamara's lying, but she's not lying about that. It's just so much trying to keep who's lying and who's not lying, and then they're running in shit from 13 years ago. It's just, it's a brain-melting fucking episode.

50:02Ronnie Karam: So, basically, Katie goes, okay, well, you should go. And she goes, okay, well, I mean, I guess keep me updated. and she goes, I mean, whatever the fuck that means. They just, yeah. So Gina goes over at this point. Right.

50:20Ben Mandelker: So Gina goes over to Britt's house. Britt is Matt's wife or girlfriend or whatever. And they basically like fake Kelly Dodd. And Britt's like, I almost wore a jean dress today, which is exciting. And she's like, really? Oh my God, we would have been like 20s, which I think that would be my nightmare in life is to find out that I was twinning with Gina. I'm like, Oh no,

50:44Ronnie Karam: I've got to burn my wardrobe. They are kind of twenties though. Cause did you notice the word art when the, yes, they showed a closeup of word art. And I was like, I guess we're at Gina's house, but it turns out it was Brit's house. Does Matt only marry people with word art? Is it Matt's fetish at the end of the day? He's got like a kink words everywhere.

51:06Ben Mandelker: He actually is like very lost in the kitchen. He needs, he needs, he doesn't understand room. So he needs to have signs that say kitchen. And I think this one was intense.

51:16Ronnie Karam: It was like, bless this home, the home of Mac and cheese, the home of children with smiles, flowers in the sunshine, toasters and toast. It's like, could you make a shorter word art? I don't have nine hours to stand here before I walk into your home and read this. Fuck is this? Yeah. Let's relax. Shell silver scene. Okay.

51:34Ben Mandelker: So, yeah. So Britt offers drinks and everything like coffee and all that stuff So Gina's saying My relationship with Britt is amazing. I really feel like we parent together and it allows me to have a career and chase dreams. So finally at long last because of Britt I'm able to chase my dream of selling two bedroom houses to old people

52:01Ronnie Karam: Finally I'm living Like it's proof that we I'm like an amazing relationship. Let me show you some TikToks we've made. And so we'd see TikToks of them dragging each other across the floor. I'm not really, I'm not really sure what that, what that sub genre is on TikTok, but you know, whatever. So, uh, things that I wouldn't be able to do without four parents fully committed. So then, uh, Gina is talking about how things happened with Matt guys. Matt had a heart attack.

52:32Ben Mandelker: Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. pretty shocking uh so he had a heart attack and um gina is like we see a flashback to her having dinners like having drinks with shannon and heather and she's like you guys i went straight from new orleans to cabo and then the next morning had a heart attack and they're like oh that is so crazy maybe almost as crazy as terry having a stroke and driving angrily through beverly hills I guess I kind of did the spousal scary thing first, didn't I? And mine was more wealthy because mine involved a luxury car.

53:08Ronnie Karam: Heather made me laugh with almost every line she said in this episode because she's just so ridiculous. I think she's just so happy to not be in any drama. She's just like, look at me, fun Heather, reacting to things. And she's never reacting the right way. Gina goes, Matt had a heart attack. And Heather goes, that is so crazy.

53:32Ronnie Karam: she could have just heard my girlfriend guys i found a i found a half off price deal on a birkin you know wow crazy

53:47Ben Mandelker: so genia's like i just can't imagine brit like if you didn't take the hospital like you saved his life brit like if you didn't do that like he would be like literally dead right now but it's like Like he would be like gone Like the guy that you live with that you love He'd be gone not even there I'm like can you just like ease up there a little bit Gina like I think Brit understands What would have happened she's sending her a puddle Of tears and Gina's like I mean he would have died

54:11Ronnie Karam: He would have died Brit

54:13Ben Mandelker: So um

54:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah like literally like I was thinking of Matt dying and I was like Oh my god like I might have to have a Conversation with my kids about Their dad dying and you saved me From having to do that Look at Gina's selfish ass. It's like, thank you so much for saving me from having to have a conversation with my kids about their dad being dead. So, Gina.

54:37Ben Mandelker: You know, Brit, like, beast mode down to the hospital, and, like, they had to get, like, a stint in his heart because it was, like, 100 % collapsed, and it was so nice because the hospital wrote on the stint, stint! So it was so nice. He loves a word. Now he has word in his heart, literally. And he was having, like, a full-blown heart attack, and as soon as they got the stint in, like the danger wore down it was like a good wake-up call and he needs to be healthy um which is by the way really scary and i was like i was like feeling my heart i was like am i safe um so then gina is saying like this is what you realize but this stand stand is sort of like

55:11Ronnie Karam: katie's time on the house lines it was a stand um less than this is what i said oh i thought you stint no it's like the word art on his stint bless this stint so this is like what you realize like having like a functional family like that comes into play because like like if there was any bullshit between any of that that wouldn't have been the same thing like this crisis was so eye-opening to me because like it could be more opposite with trav and his ex you know what i mean like if he had a heart attack no one would take him to the hospital you know what i mean

55:47Ben Mandelker: Mm-hmm. So Matt walks in, and Gina's saying that this really lights a fire under her to get Travis to his divorce so she can marry him and, like, take care of the kids in case something were to happen to him. And then Gina's like, Matt, I got you a gift. He's like, really? Is this for me? He's like, yeah, I got, like, real sweet after, like, I get real sweet after, like, life-threatening situations. So, like, look at what I got you. so he she's given him like a care package of like a mediterranean cookbook mediterranean diet cookbook and like some aspirin and uh he's like great thanks thanks like i was hoping for a fun

56:24Ronnie Karam: care package but thanks for reminding me of the rest of my life now yeah so then hammer hammer that's heather and tamra's couple name hammer yeah heather and tamra meet up at a restaurant and they're talking about what the hell happened at the lie detector test. Tamara's like, I couldn't even sleep last night. I'm like, what the hell happened? I'm like, what the hell happened? So much happened. And you know what I was thinking? And Heather's like, well, I've really tried with Katie this year. Really, look at how good I've been to Katie. Do you remember that time I sat down with Katie to try and get information to use to hold against her later?

57:02Ronnie Karam: That was just so good of me to do. I've really tried with her, but I just can't do it anymore.

57:11Ben Mandelker: I offered her a job as a housekeeper and she did not take it. So Tam, I like that Tamra said that she couldn't sleep last night because she was on a high from adrenaline, which is so Tamra to see someone like run off of a show and like, she's like, best night of the year. Like, that's like what she lives for is someone like being the victim of a gang up. Like that, that speaks to Tamra's villainy right there. So Heather is, she's, sorry, Jen arrives and she's like, hi, everyone. I brought stuff. I brought stuff. Oh, do we need a cocktail for this? Because it's just me with my girlfriends. Okay.

57:50Ben Mandelker: We can get Cosmos. Okay. Who here is the Carrie? Who is this, Samantha? I'll be the Blanche. Like, okay, Heather. It's like, stop trying to be the fun Heather right now. Fun girlfriend Heather.

58:01Ronnie Karam: Let's order something fun. I'm going to have a Paloma. Paloma exotic, fine, fruity

58:09Ben Mandelker: You mean like a tequila with grapefruit? No Paloma is the name of one of my cleaners and I was hoping to have a second one Can we hire another Paloma for the house? No. Okay

58:21Ronnie Karam: She actually messed up on the laundry so I was hoping you could pick her up and blend her down so I could drink her DNA

58:32Ben Mandelker: So they order their cocktails and everything Well, actually, Jen asks about the strawberry margarita and like the waitress is like, it's delicious. And Heather's like, has anyone ever asked you something? And you say, don't get that. God, I'm so fun. Look at me interfacing with service workers in a pleasant way. I have grown.

58:51Ronnie Karam: If you want to see fun, Heather, let me call out a service worker for being the fake bitch that she is.

59:01Ben Mandelker: And so, yeah. So she has a polygraph test waitress.

59:06Ronnie Karam: Let's get that. Cause we had a polygraph test. That's that. She failed it. Come back.

59:13Ben Mandelker: Thank you so much. So I met with Katie and right when she sat down, she was like, that whole thing was staged. What? The polygraph was a setup. Yeah. And she's being set up and she's the one that we're all, we're all picking to, to, to do this too. That there. Okay. They, those people were not for entertainment. Trust me. If they ever tried to get onto TV land, they would not get through the front door. Those are not entertainment people.

59:40Ronnie Karam: So the polygraph people work on TV. Well, guess what? My husband is a world-renowned TV doctor in real life. So do you want to take pictures and put him in your file? Hmm? Hmm? Oh, okay. Okay, so you're saying the polygraph person is super real. Then what about you lying about paparazzi shots? Because he also said that.

1:00:03Ben Mandelker: Or we're just going to forget all your lies, madam. Yes, we will. Don't you understand? Okay, so the polygraph people work on TV. They can't be trusted. Well, last time I checked, I was on an episode of Malibu Country with Reba McIntyre. Does that mean you can't trust me? Television's Heather Dubrow? I think not. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, that was good adjudication. So Tamara's like, well, I don't know anything about that. I've never met these people before. So Jen was saying how this whole thing was like sort of, it was like a weird interaction. And Tam was like, did she say I'm done?

1:00:39Ben Mandelker: Did she quit? Did she run off? God, I wish I could have seen it. Oh my God. My heart's racing so fast right now.

1:00:45Ronnie Karam: I mean, personally, I wish we'd brought in a gay psychic to reveal this information. But whatever. Different roles at different places. Isn't that right, girls? So Jen's like, yeah, you know, I just, I don't want to see her and talk about her the whole time. I just want to have a conversation. and I'm glad that you're here because last time she and I sat down, like, yeah, it didn't work out. It didn't work out. So then we see Jen and Tamara fighting at the restaurant and Jen being like, you're fucking sick. How dare you call me fucking sick? I could be out to sickness. So back to the present. Jen's like, yeah, I guess maybe I placed more of a value on our friendship and I would just feel embarrassed that I ever placed value on that friendship.

1:01:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah, don't say that. Like we had some good times, we had really good times.

1:01:32Ben Mandelker: Like remember the time when I accused your husband of like having an affair? Remember the time I called the FBI on your husband? And remember the time I tried to like get everyone against you like a few different seasons in a row? Remember the time I called the private investigator on your husband?

1:01:48Ronnie Karam: We had so many good times together Jen. Yeah, remember when I told everybody that your boyfriend wanted to fuck me instead? Yeah, they're so good. We've had some good times together, come on. So good So now Tamara's like okay Let me just say I admit that I fucked up I'm so sorry Tim What happened? Okay everybody listen Tamara's about to open up Remember what I said about Ryan? That was a real aha moment for me It was aha It was so aha Hey guys that was so aha That was 9 hours out of 10 hours In the hours I really gotta have that bitch

1:02:29Ben Mandelker: You know what? I started therapy And I'm deep diving into shit I don't even want to talk about it But I will talk about that I'm doing it And that little girl in me that just gets upset Is the girl that fucking lashes out I got a little girl in me She's her name is Tammy Sue And she's got hair in the shape of thimble And she gets mad at people And I'm mad now But I'm working on it, babe I'm working on it

1:02:50Ronnie Karam: But you'll do this And then two weeks later You know, you get backed into a corner And you're like a fucking aggressor, you know? Oh, are we going to go backwards? I feel like this is going backwards. Rewind to that waitress lying about strawberry margaritas. Let's do that. Alright, Knife and Paloma's back. Anybody?

1:03:11Ben Mandelker: We are going back, but I'm just saying you gotta start changing the pattern because people don't like... It's almost like Crang Wolf, you know? Yeah, things don't go to sleep when you don't really care about somebody and I do care about you. Which is like the classic thing that like awful people on reality TV do. They're mean and mean and mean and mean and mean. And then they're like, I only act this way because I care. Because if I didn't care, I'd just be indifferent. I care about you so much. The angrier I am at you means the more I care about you. You just make me so angry sometimes. Don't make me so angry.

1:03:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And by the way, you know who else cries for us? Little girls. Little girls stuck inside a possum face. That's what they do. They cry while they're down by my disciples. wolf sometimes it's a wolf and you're the wolf bitch i'll get two beds so jen has decided to forgive her again you know tamra who's done all of this stuff but uh can't forgive katie for

1:04:05Ben Mandelker: yeah exactly well this is something said at dinner so this episode is definitely the producer is trying to be like no america don't worry nothing's toxic here look everyone's getting long everyone's happy everyone's fine we just ran katie off the show but it's fine everyone loves each other now Yeah.

1:04:20Ronnie Karam: So Jen's decided to support Tamara and her journey, her journey of therapy. So just thank you for going there. Thank you so much, Tamara. And they agreed to not do it anymore. And they kiss on the lips. And Tamara's like, I love you, Jen. I love you so much. We're like sisters. I'm so glad you're happy. I'm so happy. I'm with such good friends now. I'm in Zoom, just like sisters. Sisters separated the birds, right?

1:04:46Ben Mandelker: And then Heather, they're like sort of hugging or like clasping each other's like elbows. And Heather takes like a selfie with them in the background. I'm going to send this to Drake, my neighbor. But we'll save these for later to see how it ends up.

1:05:00Ronnie Karam: This is almost as believable as that strawberry margarita tasting decent.

1:05:10Ben Mandelker: Does anyone know where Paloma is? She's due at the house at 4 p.m.

1:05:14Ronnie Karam: Hello there. Yeah, this is a two-part recap, okay? This is the end of part one. So thank you so much for listening to this. Just come back a little later for part two.

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