#3000 Below Deck S12E16 Part One: French Disconnection

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2:28Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hello, Ben. Hi, how's it going? Good. What's going on with you this morning? This beautiful Tuesday morning.

2:43Ben Mandelker: You know, I'm just enjoying September and we just wrapped up below deck last night. I couldn't be happier. actually i'm in a tremendous mood because it means i no longer have to watch this season of below deck because i thought it was the worst season they've ever had i'm saying it right now everyone i'm saying it right now i thought it was disagree disagree yeah i thought it was terrible it actually got to me i i thought it was gonna be the best season i thought it opened up so strong and as it went along i started to realize this is actually the opposite this was this season was absolutely insufferable for me.

3:21And I languished

3:23Ben Mandelker: my way through the last night's episode. Languished! But you know, it's below deck. They have good seasons and bad seasons. This one just did not really hit for me, unfortunately. Sorry.

3:34Ronnie Karam: I wish it hit Selene because I was really hoping that this was going to be a fight between Rainbow and Selene that would end up in a fight on an island with somebody dead. I was like, wow, well, Selene and that guy do it you know i was very invested so yeah what can i say you know i was like oh i hope the toilet gets cleaned but i enjoyed it um everyone welcome to this show we did amazon live this week it was so much fun we do those every other monday at 4 p.m pacific over on amazon you can get links on our instagram link in bio also um when we're not doing that every other monday we are doing crappy hour at 5.30 p.m.

4:16Ronnie Karam: Pacific time. So that'll be this coming Monday. So join us for that. That's super fun. You can find that on Patreon for free or on Instagram or on YouTube, our YouTube channel. YouTube, you can also find a bunch of free videos because we put all of our video recaps up there a week after they're released. If you want them new, you get them on Patreon, like right now. Like all you people watching right now, fresh on Patreon. Hello. Crappens on demand. Also, that's where you get our bonus episodes. we've got a few trailer trashes up there, which is where we trash trailers. We did Real Housewives of Potomac and Real Housewives of, what was the other thing?

4:53Ronnie Karam: No, Below Deck Mediterranean, which starts, what, next week or something. And we'll probably do a wife swap. I don't know, we haven't talked about it, but Wife Swap is coming out on Bravo. So there should be a trailer for that. I don't know. But go check over on Patreon to find all that good stuff. And today it's Below Deck, Season 12, Episode 16. Season 12. Over the rainbow.

5:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah, over the rainbow. Sorry, Michael Choses. Michael Choses over rainbow. By the way, speaking about that Bravo housewife, like wife swap, I thought it was that like the housewives swap families, but they just swap with normies. I did not realize that. Did you know that?

5:37Ronnie Karam: No, I still didn't know that until you told me right now. So they're not swapping with each other?

5:42Ben Mandelker: No, I, because I watched like the, I watched like the, the little sizzle reel or whatever it was that they released today. And it was like Melissa Gorga saying something like, Oh my God, I have to go to Idaho. And Emily Simpson being like, Oh God. And, and I, I, I just assumed that like Emily was taking over Wendy's family or something like that. But then they showed at the end of the trailer or like the commercial like some just like normie is being like what have i gotten myself into so that'll be uh it'll be an interesting show for sure well i feel like that's like a real life wife swap

6:19Ronnie Karam: wife swap because you know the name comes from kind of swinging right like wife swap and i feel like swingers when you swap you always get someone homelier or as homely as your current partner you know i don't think it ever works where you get someone better so i think that makes sense it's like wow we're swapping but is the grass really greener no we're all basics i don't know if my person would want to swap into any of the real housewives lives

6:46Ben Mandelker: i don't know i i feel like we see them on tv and i'm not sure i see like the upside of suddenly like swapping in and like pretending that shane is my husband no one needs joe gorga running around their house screaming about how he needs to get the poison out nobody needs that no one needs that

7:06Ronnie Karam: at all i know things that are normal on housewives would probably be considered like assault on a regular show you know emily's gonna go in there and diagnose everybody's child with something and be like i don't love you as much i just don't love you as much i'm trying to divorce everybody's

7:22Ben Mandelker: husband i think this is basically just bravo's attempt to do like some sort of like maximal crappy lake situation, sending housewives off into like rural areas where it's like, oh my God, this is crazy. The kids all need to get their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and go to school.

7:40Ronnie Karam: So I think if you want us to watch how real housewives deal with the real world, I want to see them take on these jobs that are like under fire for being, you know, terrible, like send them to the iPhone factory, you know, send them to, you know, the, the shipping, like the shipping places where they have to go work with no breaks and stuff like that. Do that. Do that. That's what I want to see. I want to see Angie trying to figure out how to lead a train union. I

8:14Ben Mandelker: it is time to organize. I would I hope that they bring back Marguerite Perrine for Perrine. Perrine, the crazy lady from Wife Swap. like the only when wife swap originally aired in like 2005 the only episode that was ever worth watching was that crazy lady marguerite do you remember that that lady who was like this god she was like i'm a god warrior she was crazy and oh i saw the clips of that oh yeah these are sinners these are people of satan that was truly the best like wife swap like kind of like climax in that moment. And it was great. It was a great time for all of us. And so did Joe Gorga.

8:59Ben Mandelker: That's super weird.

9:00Ronnie Karam: Super weird.

9:02Ben Mandelker: Let's resurrect that lady on Twitter with Joe Gorga.

9:04Ronnie Karam: How about that? I'm down. But in the meantime, we're going to have a below deck swap because below deck, we'll be switching over to anyone need a hug below deck med next week. Below deck med. No. So let's more of a spit swap. Capri pants swap. Okay. Who's in my ankle socks? Okay. So here we go. Below Deck, Season 12, Episode 16, Over the Rain. Oh, we get interviews, and we know that it's the end of the season because there's, like, lots of green screen. They didn't even put anything up. They're like, guys, this is what it looks behind the scenes. It's a green screen.

9:45Ben Mandelker: They are acting like Scandaval is about to happen on this boat. Like, we made it. America has seen this crazy riveting season of people banging each other how's it all gonna shake out I'm like why do we have to have why are they making it seem like we're doing a cameras pick back up episode it's just the maids the maids are just they're finishing up their charter they're like pinging the toilet bowl one last time

10:14Ronnie Karam: every day is hell so you've got to be ready for hell Anthony and then we see flashbacks of Anthony losing his mind and throwing dishrags dun dun dun

10:28Ben Mandelker: it's his best his best act and then we see like oh my god all this stuff and then we see Kelly being kicked off the boat and then we see Kyle and he's like with Helen on the beach oh my god so much scandal happened

10:44Ronnie Karam: isn't it funny how Kelly's whole thing like you Democrats you're all Democrats Democrats, like how fitting that is right now. In this time. Just seeing that clip, I was like, well, you got to give it to Below Deck. They keep it modern because that's basically, if you turn on the news right now, that's basically what's happening. Everyone's like, Democrats, it was Democrats. You're all a bunch of fucking Kellys. Sit down, all of you. So Anthony's like, yeah, tonight's an incredibly big challenge because we do have a lot of restriction. I do it for you, daddy. I do it for you, daddy. He kept saying that in this episode, like, Daddy, Daddy, I'm doing this gluten-free plate for you, Daddy.

11:24Ronnie Karam: This is all for you, Daddy. I'm figuring out the fish-free, gluten-free for you, Daddy. I was like, okay, could you just leave your dad alone, okay? What a rest of peace, this poor guy. He's like, please, son, stop throwing the dish rag.

11:43Ben Mandelker: son I'm sorry but I am in heaven now I cannot pay attention to your 8 course meal there are real celebrities up here I spoke to Matt Napoleon last night he's real cool I don't know why people say he's a complex he is a complex personality but you know come on like you're kind of interrupting my flow right now son

12:06Ronnie Karam: so the captain is going to be eating at the table tonight which could send Anthony over the edge. So he spends half an hour really plucking those eyebrows to make sure he's ready. And he's ready. He's done. So Anthony's -

12:23Ben Mandelker: He's going to just bust out his - He's going to pull out his best mommy dearest look for tonight's meal. Like eight courses. It really is. Every course I have to do, that's one more lash that comes out. Yeah.

12:33Ronnie Karam: He's like, I'm 90s eyebrows today, people. We're going to do this. Back in the day before gluten allergies. Let's do this.

12:45Ben Mandelker: So everyone sits down for the big fire and ice dinner. And then everything is, there's so many slow-mo shots. I don't know why. They just, it's been a lot all season, but this episode, they were like, like, okay, Cindy, one episode left. Just give us everything. We know you've come up with a lot of good slow-mo filters. She's like, yes, I'm going to do it. It's like someone sitting down in a chair. It's like slow motion close up of a lady taking your seat. Slow motion close up of putting something in the oven. By the way, also the other thing is this. Okay. Anthony has a lot of stress. He's got to do an eight course meal before these damn fireworks go off.

13:22Ben Mandelker: Can the producers like get out of his way? Must they put a GoPro on the sheet pan that he puts into the oven? Cause you know, he's like, I just want to cook my food. Like, no, no, stop. We have to put a GoPro into the sheet pan. I noticed that too. So we know what it's like to be put into an oven. I'm like, why are you doing this to this poor man? Let him cook.

13:40Ronnie Karam: I was cracking up at that too, the GoPro on the sheet pan. Like, oh, okay, wow. Now we know what it's like, the life inside of an oven. Yeah, that's why that other guy quit too. That original chef was like, get out of my kitchen. I'm trying to cook. God damn it, get these cameras out of here. I can't do it. And they're like, just get someone desperate enough to put a GoPro on a sheet pan and make sure he's barely got eyebrows left

14:04Ben Mandelker: please please whoever it is please get your gopro out of my polenta oh daddy says you can put gopro on my blender go ahead go for it goreful on gopro so um yeah he's stressed out and i just love that

14:20Ronnie Karam: only anthony could make fireworks this stressful he's like oh we have firework tonight i do this for you daddy i do it for you so um they he introduces the dinner the fire and ice tasting for the first course, it's iced avocado mousse over black garlic paste. Gross. Iced avocado mousse? That's like frozen guacamole. I'm okay with that. I want my guac room temp. Don't serve me some fucking iced avocado.

14:50Ben Mandelker: Listen, you're on Super Yard with culinary food for daddy. Come on, be open to these things. So they have it. They enjoy their iced avocado mousse. And then Barbara and Jess are in the crew mess Talking Jess is like I don't know where I didn't know where you were Oh I thought you were in a different room And I walked in that room And you weren't there And if I had only paid attention I would have known you weren't in that room It is the consequences of my actions

15:20Ronnie Karam: Oh, you're off in August What if I meet up with you in August instead of now? Do you think that would be okay? Because we could spend more time together You want to go to New York and fuck your butt off in New York. I'm convinced that she, and you know, I hate saying this because I really like Barbara, but I think Jess is totally using her for real estate. She's using her for a hundred percent, a hundred percent.

15:44Ben Mandelker: Barbara needs to start working on looking at red flags. Okay. If you're, if you're working, you're working amongst the waves anyway. So you should be paying attention to these flags because this is so obvious to anyone watching that this lady is purely using it when she says maybe instead of hanging out now let's hang out in like several months from now no we all know how that what that means come on barbara and then barbara says well i do have feelings for jess i mean part of me really wants to see where this goes and but i had a long distance relationship before and it's something that i definitely don't want to have again because i know how easily i get hurt i'm confused it's not nice you know If you get easily hurt, why are you messing with this lady right now?

16:26Ben Mandelker: Because she's really hot.

16:27Ronnie Karam: I mean, look, we all know what that's like, and I get it. Red flags don't mean anything. When the person is hot enough, a red flag just looks like a sheet. It's like, fuck under that sheet. Lay it down, let's fuck on it. I'll take that red flag, because a person's hot enough. You put that to the side. I get it. I guess so. I'll allow it. but protect your real estate you know even when you're renting it's still yours you know protect it because you live somewhere like new york people will be coming to see you all the time and you need to start protecting yourself so um barbara you know jess is like where do we stand in our relationship well i mean you just fuck someone else in the shower about five minutes ago so can we not talk about our relationship right now you little fucking apart you little couch surfer you little cooch surfer.

17:18Ronnie Karam: So Barbara's like, well, I think we keep in touch. And she goes, oh, exactly what I wanted to hear.

17:24Ben Mandelker: Just keep in touch. She probably literally wants to keep in touch. So then Anthony serves his next course. He's torching, he's bruleing. This is an onion brulee for daddy because everything he brulees, everything for fire is literally, he just lights on fire. so he brings

17:47Ronnie Karam: out the can I just say this was the longest service of all time he's like oh I don't know how I'm going to have time to do this before firework please daddy give me strength he brulets that even on even with editing on TV I was like wow you're doing each one at the table each one is taking at least two minutes can they eat their damn brulee do this in the back I know

18:10Ben Mandelker: well that was Fraser who said that he's like shouldn't you be doing this up at the table I think they'd like to see it. I'm like, I don't want to see someone like, I thought that same thing. I was like, just do it ahead of time and bring it out all at once. Cause I don't want to be sitting there. If I'm number one in the brulee line, if you brulee and I have to sit there and just like, wait everyone else to get bruleed when there's like eight ladies there. Uh, yeah, exactly.

18:36Ronnie Karam: So yeah, by the way, you're correct. Everything does look really good. I think he did a great job with this final dinner thing. But it was very literal. Fire and ice. Everything will be on fire. I will make everything on fire. Literal fire. You know, you could have you took the assignment extremely literally. But, you know, it did look good. So onion brulee. And then one of the guests is like, oh, but I'm ice. I'm only allowed to talk about cool things. Well, you failed so far. All of you ladies on this boat.

19:15Ben Mandelker: You didn't talk enough about cool things. Yeah, they definitely did not have that. So then there's some steak and there's more flames on that. And then there's like a mushroom thing. And then one of the ladies is like, I'm not tasting mushroom. And they're like, really, Kathy? I'm like, no, I'm not. Like, whatever. And just moves on. I'm like, we're just going to move on from the lady who doesn't taste mushroom. There was a time in our lives when Below Deck would hear an entire episode over a lady not tasting the mushroom in her mushroom dish. And there would be a commercial break and there'd be promos and it would be a cliffhanger and it'd be like, we're not going to get our tip.

19:52Ben Mandelker: And now it's just like, I just am not tasting mushroom. And everyone says, get over it. And then we go back to watching Jess and Barbara or Selene and Kyle and Damo downstairs. It's just, I want petty service issues back front and center on Below Deck.

20:08Ronnie Karam: but also fuck that lady because she was just trying to have her top chef regular person moment where they where they have those challenges where it's they show the audience eating you know and they're like we're regular people and i don't appreciate that there's no mushroom and they're just trying to get their camera time and i think everyone knew she was just trying and so they're like shut up kathy because it was mushroom risotto okay it was risotto covered in mushroom like there was mushrooms everywhere it was brown and she was like i'm really not getting any mushroom you're like you really need to try harder kathy because this is literally covered in mushrooms it's like what yeah i swear mushroom you're eating a mushroom right now it just it's you know what a mushroom tastes like kathy you know what it tastes like kathy i tasted mushrooms i

20:53Ben Mandelker: was watching it that's why i was like this should have been a cliffhanger because this lady is is is obviously an awful person because she does she's clearly trying to have a moment with the mushrooms and it's just her luck that she's on the season where they don't care about moments like these anymore.

21:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And then there's no spoons for the ice cream. So, uh-oh. So people have to start running around. Yes, they have to run around. It's like a huge moment. And then is a baked Alaska with Grand Marnier. Because you know what you can do with that? Start it on fire. And so he does. Because it's fire. And guess what else it is? Ice. Fire and ice.

21:29Ben Mandelker: Fire and ice. You know what else it is? A state. And it's baked. someone baked the state Alaska a lot of things it's a geography lesson it's a reference to northern exposure it might see Russia from its house

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22:54Ronnie Karam: So then, um, let's see. So Fraser is like, he fucking nailed it. Look at the excitement on my face. The guests always love your food. Why do you think, why do you doubt yourself? Is it because I'm running around, run around you saying, don't fail, don't fail, don't fail, you smell, don't fail? Possibly?

23:14Ben Mandelker: I just always have this feeling to feel like it was not enough and I'm going to work on that, you know? It's like, I'm so glad I put my faith in you to come back and show America that I'm not a dickwad after all. Yes, but without you I would never be at this level on this season. So thank you. Thank you for recommending me brulee at the table. Otherwise I would still be shitty, shitty chef down in the galley.

23:38Ronnie Karam: I hope to see you for many, many more seasons together. I'm sorry I'm busy that day, but thank you. Thank you so much. So Kyle and Solaine are cuddling up and Kyle's in love, you know. He's like, we've been through a lot, but we both made terrible decisions along the way and there's been deceit, but now we're back. And I'm not with Celine, but there's definitely feelings. Maybe me more so than her, but I'm just such an emotional guy. You're drunk. You're drunk with the shakes. And I think you're just going to take any blanket that passes you. And also, she's extremely hot. It's not like some great love story.

24:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he's like, oh, I love her so deeply.

24:20Ben Mandelker: You're damaged. You're damaged and you're looking for a fairy tale to make it seem like all the damage isn't there. But you're damaged. This is not going to work out. and you like, I don't care that he, he wants to bang Solene cause she is super hot, but like him saying stuff that there's emotions involved. I'm like, please, sir, can you not, can you not bore us with this ridiculousness there? Why are you attaching emotions to this person who already showed you earlier this season that she has no interest in any emotions back towards you? And that's fine as well. But now you're going to burden us with your emotional bullshit that like, We all can be like, we know your emotional bullshit's fake too.

25:00Ben Mandelker: And you're just doing this to make us feel some sort of like, oh, poor Kyle. Kyle has it rough. And I don't want to hear it from you.

25:09Ronnie Karam: You guys on our reality shows, especially this one, do that. They're like, oh, my feelings are so hurt. They always do that at the end of the season so that they can go to bars. And girls are like, oh, my God, your heart was so hurt. I can help you. they're like going for the um you know the post-season pousse say that's what they're going for yeah and i'm not buying it and the only reason you like her is a she's hot and b you're an alcoholic and she has wine and cigarette breath yeah i think that really is it it's just like

25:40Ben Mandelker: just i kind of just want him to just stand in it and say like yeah she's hot i just want to bang her a little bit but when he's like oh i'm i i can't help it i just get emotionally attached I'm like, sir, we saw you banging on the piss-laden floor of a bathroom three weeks ago. And by the way, when they showed the flashback -

26:01Ronnie Karam: You stuck your wiener in Big Ams like four weeks ago.

26:04Ben Mandelker: And also, he really talks like this is the great romance of our times. And when they show, at some point during this episode, they show flashbacks. And it could be here where he's like, we've had our ups and our downs. and they show like when he and selen first got together that was 20 days ago and then their issue that they had was 11 days ago i'm like you're talking about this is two weeks i'm like i'm sorry i'm sorry like don't just just bang and enjoy it like please don't give us all this emo crap along i don't want to have to be invested it's not so much that i'm invested in the emo crap it's that then the show gets invested in and we have slow moments and sadness and I can't.

26:45Ben Mandelker: I cannot. I'm really on one today. I'm sorry, Ronnie. I don't know why I'm really like, I don't know why I'm steaming mad today, but I am really on one today about blow deck.

26:54Ronnie Karam: No, I get it. Look, you're someone who loves Love Island. So my initial thought is like, you love it on Love Island, but I think it's different because that's Love Island. And that's what you do on Love Island. But this, I want to see you clean a toilet. And that's it. It's very important to me. I want to see you clean a toilet. I want to see you forget the forks. I want to see you, you know, like figure out how to blow up balloons for ice and fire. That's what I want to see.

27:19Ben Mandelker: That's exactly correct. And I thought about that. I actually had that exact same thought process, which is like, I love when there's this drama on Love Island. But like, it's just, it's not like this. This isn't Love Island. And so it's just, it's not what I'm tuning in for.

27:32Ronnie Karam: This is toilet brush island. Okay. It's toilet island. It's toilet brush island. Get out your toilet brush. I have no interest in you without a cleaning product in your hand. And that's it.

27:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah, so it's just, it's so tiresome. So just to hear me moving about.

27:48Ronnie Karam: Like I go to the car wash, the entertainment is the bristles coming down over my car and me being in it going, I'm dying, you know, as the things splash you and all that. That's the entertainment. I don't want to go through there and just watch the car wash guys fucking. That's just, it's just not the place for that. Squirt my car, not me.

28:09Ben Mandelker: You really should stop driving convertibles to the car wash, Ronnie. No wonder why they're so traumatic. I'm taking my best breath through the car, the car wash.

28:20Ronnie Karam: Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow.

28:27Ben Mandelker: I'm dying.

28:33Ronnie Karam: So Fraser, this is also an episode where Fraser acts like he just won an Emmy award. He's like, I can't believe it. I can't believe we're here. My crew this season dealt with different obstacles and challenges There were dinners, there were picnics Toilet cleanings Feels like we've been chased by a feral dog with rabies But we pulled it off Well done to us I'm very proud Ow! I actually just got bit by a feral dog with rabies Damn it, it caught me That would have made the season actually If there was a feral dog with rabies That would have improved us I would love that

29:07Ben Mandelker: I would love that as like a story arc because that's actually one frontier that reality tv has truly not taken us to is just the feral rabies storyline as long as it's caught early and there's no true danger then it's great obviously we don't want anyone to get true rabies i remember the one time um and i remember one time like when i was like 22 my friend kate had a party and my other another kate like slept overnight at the party and then she woke up in the morning and she had like a bruise and she was confused so she went to the doctor and they were concerned that a rabid bat had bit her in the middle of the night so she had to have rabies shots for a few weeks and yeah and i just thought man that sucks but also a hilarious concept the bat got in in the middle of the night and bit her and gave her rabies but by the way i've always been afraid of rabies i don't know i've had this irrational fear

30:04Ronnie Karam: that's not irrational that is a a rational fear of getting rabies it's like growing up my house was sort of like um it was like like surrounded by like sort of like a big wooded area like my driveway was like i had to walk like like down this long driveway to get to the bus stop

30:22Ben Mandelker: and i was always afraid a rabid raccoon was gonna come out of the woods and bite me

30:27Ronnie Karam: yeah i read very fresh when i was like 12 and i have i always wanted someone around me to get rabies i didn't necessarily want to get it but like cujo is basically a mom and a as her son hiding in a car as this dog is attacking their car and they're like oh my god how do we get to the front door and the car won't start and then oh god now we have to get around now we have to get around this dog that's the whole book and it was so scary and i just always wanted to find a way to get my sister rabies because I can imagine like me and my mom hiding in the station wagon while my sister is banging up against the car.

30:58Ronnie Karam: My sister's like so sweet, by the way. So just imagining her all feral out there like, let me in, mommy, let me in. And we just wouldn't let her in. That was always my dream as a kid, which is probably kind of sick. As far as Fraser goes, you know, saying things like, feels like we've been chased with a feral dog with rabies. You know Fraser seems fine and everything I think he did an okay job this season but overall my overall note is I need more cowbell and that's it I just I need feels like we've been chased by a feral dog with rabies like you're fired you know yeah I think it's I think it's time I need more razor also because like honestly like he didn't he did an all right job I think that's Elaine

31:44Ben Mandelker: I think Celine fucking sucks I'm sorry, Celine sucks I love her, she's an icon I feel like I was like that with her for so long I was like, she's hilarious like she has this really ridiculous attitude but then I really I had this moment last night where I was like, you know, we all know she's a terrible worker she's a terrible worker but I had a moment last night watching this show where I was like, you know what I think I like, just in time for the season to end, I kind of hit my wall with her. And I went from being like, oh, she's so amusing to like, she's like, she fucking sucks. I'm sorry.

32:20Ben Mandelker: Selene fucking sucks. She's like, it's a bad worker. She's obnoxious. She really only cares about herself. And you know that Bravo is going to bring her back because she's kind of a breakout star of the season. And she already, she's already going to be on Love Island games. So I just feel like, I don't know. I'm just like, she sucks. And Frazier, Frazier should have like, he should have seen that. And he should have seen how much work other people were having to put in because of her and because he had some sort of ego thing that he was not going to fire someone because he wanted to change his image for the season.

32:51Ben Mandelker: I think that's shitty because other people had to suffer for what he wanted to prove to himself in America. And he should have fired Celine a long time ago. And that is my feeling on that.

33:00Ronnie Karam: Well, other people may have suffered, but I gained because she brought me so much entertainment. Like I literally, if they sold posters of Celine, I would buy one and put it in my room. Like I love her. and I think that the reason he kept her was because as bad as she was it made him look better in his mind to the audience because he was finding a way to keep her and so that was his only thing so I think his big arc for the season was like look at me I've gotten to the point where I don't fight with anyone even if they're Soleil didn't I do a good job when meanwhile it means he kind of did a bad job because he didn't like he can't win you know I'm sure in his mind he's like I can't win with these fucking people you know Like first they're mad at me for fighting with people and firing them.

33:42Ronnie Karam: And now they're mad at me for not fighting with someone and firing them. But the thing is you were in trouble before because you were like having like really weird immature fights with a bunch of girls, which is never a great look, honestly. And you were taking it to you were getting way too personal with it and getting way too like bitchy with people in your job. And it was it was unprofessional. You know, it wasn't that you thought Camille sucked. Camille did suck. It's like how you went about it was very immature. So, you know, you can't win. You didn't win,

34:14Ben Mandelker: but thank you for keeping Selene. I mean, I look, look, my, my Selene feeling kicked in right at the right time. I got like a whole season's worth of entertainment from her. And then at the last minute, I just sort of had this moment of like, Oh, Bravo is going to probably bring this girl back. And that's so shitty because she is like, she's bad. I'm not saying she's a bad person, but she's like, so self-involved. she's so obnoxious and she causes so much damage to people around her i was like god she really sucks and she and i think what's terrible is that like fraser i think in the past maybe he got in trouble for like wanting to fire someone too quickly and so like it was good that he like really tried to work with someone and tried to make it and tried to make it last but at a certain point like you know you're you're rewarding someone for getting marginally better and punishing someone who's actually working really really hard like rainbow and i just think that's like i don't know i think that's like bullshit and i think that i think that she should have been um symbolically fired for this last episode personally even though the charter was over i

35:21Ronnie Karam: still fire her ass yeah uh just on the last day he's like we're not gonna fire her on the drop day and I think the audience would have really liked him more if he had been like, you're terrible, please leave. And then we could have just watched Rainbow like have a nervous breakdown as she had to change all the sheets herself. I mean, that would have been a good ending.

35:43Ben Mandelker: In fact, I actually thought that we're going to be getting that. I was like, okay, there will be some justice. Anyway, enough of my ranting. I'm sorry, I'm just really ranting today. Why are you sorry? That's what we do.

35:54Ronnie Karam: I'm not even in a bad mood.

35:56Ben Mandelker: I'm not even in a bad mood. I'm just like, maybe I'm in a bad mood. I don't know. Am I in a bad mood? I don't know. Are you in a bad mood?

36:04Ronnie Karam: Well, this is also kind of an early morning recording for us. We had a meeting that we had to get up for on the East Coast this morning, so we're recording a little early. But I like it. I don't think I'm in a bad mood. If this is a bad mood, I like it. I'm all for it. I think I'm in a good mood. I think I'm in a good mood. Listen, who cares? You're about to sit around and bitch. Who are you apologizing to? That's all we do every day. So anyway, it's a final night of Charter. And there's a fireworks show. It's huge. And everyone acts like they've never seen fireworks before. Like, oh, my God, it's fireworks.

36:35Ronnie Karam: Thank you, Daddy. I did it for you, Daddy. And yeah, fireworks. It is cool seeing them close up like that. Because this is where, like, fireworks can kill you. You know, where they're so close. They didn't, though. It's like there's no feral dogs. No one got hit by a firework. So it's all kind of a letdown. Yeah.

36:53Ben Mandelker: Remember the time when they did a big fireworks show, July 4th fireworks show down in San Diego, and there was an error and they set off all the fireworks all at once. Oh, my God.

37:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's terrible. There was something that happened like that this summer somewhere, and it was insane. Like a fireworks factory went off.

37:09Ben Mandelker: It was like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. That happens every once in a while. Once in a while, someone like something goes wrong in a fireworks factory and it's real chaos. but I just remember that San Diego thing all these people showed up found a picnic blanket and got ready for their big firework show and they all went off in five seconds and it was over and it was like wait what oh god fireworks they're hilarious so Fraser says I finished this season with the same interior team and I'm so happy about it every season has different personalities every year is a whole new game and test but this year i think i passed no you failed you did not fire your worst stew who was terrible okay i'm gonna say you failed on this one and they give him a big stamp that said passed

37:58Ronnie Karam: um i wish it was spelled p-a-s-t i'm the past because they had a commercial for below deck med and just seeing daisy with her new haircut i was like why am i so excited to just see daisy with a new haircut and like on a different boat i was like this is the excitement i need when i see the chief stew coming back and i'm like oh my god i can't wait to see what daisy is like what you gonna do without gary what you gonna do without call what's gonna happen um and i just you know

38:28Ben Mandelker: i'm sorry for it i just don't feel it so carrie uh oh sorry just as just as a uh just so we you know people will write in daisy was actually in the salt lake city preview because they're going and go on to the Below Deck Down Under boat on Salt Lake City this season. Not men. That's right. I'm saying that only because people will say, actually, it wasn't Below Deck Men that you saw it on.

38:56Ronnie Karam: That was Down Under. You're right, yeah. But still, you know. Well, that one had Aisha. But your point about excitement. And that's another one. Aisha also had that cute haircut. They both got that same short bob kind of haircut, actually. So I did see a Bob. So I was correct about that. I was very excited about another Bob, but it was Asia's Bob. And I felt the same excitement about her, you know, you felt so both Bob's got, we're exciting as they should be. You know what? You've been out, you've been out entertained by two Bobs, Fraser. Okay. Two separate Bobs have both out entertained.

39:33Ben Mandelker: If Fraser comes on next season with Asia's little Bob, that would be hilarious. I've changed up my look a little bit

39:41Ronnie Karam: I've passed Fraser's like I'm doing what I can this season the audience said that they liked Bobs so here I am back with the Bob

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41:50Ben Mandelker: So, Kerry is happy and you know, he's like, Dinell was fucking amazing, a true culinary adventure. He's like, thank you again, Captain Daddy, for trusting me and bringing me here. I was like, oh yeah, for me to have the opportunity to see you flourish is pretty amazing, bro. I'm very proud of Anthony. He's come a very long way and he's had the same, he's not the same chef that he used to be. He's had a few hard knocks, made some mistakes, but he ended up doing great and he's grown to be the chef that I always knew he could be. A chef with impossibly thin

42:25Ronnie Karam: eyebrows you see daddy thank you daddy this is for you daddy as the chef leaves as the captain leaves so damo hangs with the guests and is still you know they're still wooing about things they're going on a baked alaska woo fireworks woo we're single woo and damo's like wow they're a huge temptation look they're hot they're rich enough to charter a yacht and if you're looking for a future ex-fiancee. I'm here to play. You're so gross. And also someone posted in a comment on Instagram. I thought, I think her name was Betty Ba or Betty Ba. I'm sorry. I forgot your name. I promised myself I would remember your name because I freaking loved this comment.

43:11Ronnie Karam: She said, Damo looks just like Steve Martin. I cannot get it out of my head yet. He has Steve Martin face. He has a face. None of his charm or talent, unfortunately, but he's definitely got the face.

43:24Ben Mandelker: Steve Martin face with like 1987 Annie Potts hair. Yes. Yes. Isn't it crazy?

43:33Ronnie Karam: He has his exact face. That is wild, actually. Only herpes in the building. So he checks on the guest. He's like, is there anything you need? And they're like, probably. Woo. Woo. please fuck one of those basic bees please please do it i dare you you fucking hypocrite

43:57Ben Mandelker: so now it's late at night and selene and rainbow it's their final lates and uh rainbow is like oh my god this is the last lates list oh my god this is fucking good bro yeah and selene's like yes this is the last one last one i hate doing this me too me too tonight is the last so i want to play I want to have fun because I really work hard. I do my best all the time, period. Okay, and I think this is the time for celebrating and no more fucking lists.

44:28Ronnie Karam: So she pours herself a gigantic glass of wine.

44:34Ronnie Karam: And then the guests are hanging out on the deck and they're talking about drinking and wanting to do shots. She shots with Damo. He's so sexy. Tell us about Martin Short. Is he really funny? So they do an ice luge shot thing. And then let's see. So Selena's doing shots with them. Yeah. So, yeah, she's doing that. And Rainbow sees that. And she's like, are you fucking kidding me, bro? I'm so irritated. Taking shots with guests doing fuck all at night? Like, I don't understand how you are this selfish and narcissistic. Fuck all this bullshit, you stupid bitch.

45:19Ben Mandelker: I'll see you in the Dutch island. One woman enters, two women enter, one woman leaves. So Selene is like, okay, go for somebody. Okay, demo, go stand for somebody. I'm going to jump. I'm going to jump on you. I'm going to jump like this. So just be ready. And Rainbow's like, um, yeah, okay, Mary Lou Bratton. Can we just like do whatever we're going to do after work? Because I really need Selene to like be here and like that way I can go to bed. Okay. So it's, oh la la. Oh la la. Cross to there. Okay, Demo. Like, it's last day. We don't care. Okay. Don't. Okay. Move your arm away. And then Selene just, like, runs across the deck and, like, jumps onto Demo in such a way.

46:03Ben Mandelker: I actually rewound this a few times. I was like, how did she do that? She, like, jumped and, like, her legs wound up, like, above his shoulders.

46:10Ronnie Karam: Oh, she was above his shoulders? I thought she was just, like, on his waist. No.

46:15Ben Mandelker: Those legs were up by his neck. Wow. I was like, finally you do something skillful, skill-based.

46:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Now, if you could only, you know, maybe do that with a fork and knife in your cooch, you could set a table decently. That's all she needed. Yeah. So now Danebo's with Rainbow and he's asking if she needs help. And she's like, I'm done too. I'm just doing laundry. I mean, so-so might need a hand, but I'm not helping her. And if I was a chief stew, I would never hire her. He's like, well, she's not a yachty. She's a socialite. A socialite? That's a pretty loose use of that term. Where'd he come up with that? He's not a socialite. What has she ever donated other than her spin?

47:03Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm not sure. She social lights off. So then, and he's like, and you don't ever have to work with Avery again. So she's like, I'm not, and I'm fucking thankful. Okay. So now Deimos goes down and now Selene is, Selene is like doing handstands. And she's like, oh, this is nice. This is nice doing handstands. This is nice. Also, I love when she like jumped into Deimos arms. Afterward, she's like, I love to jump. So now she's like jumping and doing handstands. Maybe she was like a gymnast at some point, did she ever say she was like training to be a gymnast as a child? She's surprisingly like athletic.

47:44Ronnie Karam: No, but I like that the producers were like, okay, Celine, it's the season finale. Nothing has happened. Just please try to give Rainbow a nervous breakdown. She's like, okay, I will do. I'm not children. So she's just going to do whatever she can. And this has to kill Rainbow because she's also jumping all over the guy that Rainbow's been flirting with. You know, which Rainbow's not going to like either. And then he does the ultimate when he says, good night, Cinderella. because he's not saying like, goodnight Cinderella from the ball. He's saying goodnight Cinderella on the ground picking up little rice bits so she can eventually take a bath and go to a ball.

48:20Ronnie Karam: You know, it's like she just gets kicked in the nuts over and over again tonight. Yeah, she really does.

48:26Ben Mandelker: So then it's like 3.30 in the morning and Selena's like drinking this wine and Rainbow comes into the salon and she's like, you're not supposed to be drinking. Hang on. Hang on. The only reason I'm awake is because you're taking so long to finish I'm still working, I'm not just chilling, I'm doing work too Bro, I want to go to bed, okay? No, I know, no, I know it's not funny, I know it's not funny Are you fucking kidding me? No, you know what, fuck you bro, fuck you Fuck you too, fuck you too Dutch fuck you, okay, Dutch fuck you I've only ever tried to help you and you're standing there and you're laughing I genuinely think you are the worst person I've ever had to work with.

49:09Ben Mandelker: No, no, no. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You don't even give a fuck. Don't even give a fuck. You don't give a fuck.

49:16Ronnie Karam: I am genuinely so thankful I never have to work with you again. At this point, I am just like so over it. Okay? I don't know. You don't have to be pink. You don't have to be pink like that. I don't know why you are so pink. Are you pink?

49:29Ben Mandelker: Well, her name is literally Rainbow. But like her face is red. She's screaming so hard. And by the way, they're also screaming. There are guests downstairs. I was like, you guys both need to shut it right now. Like, you're acting like it's an off day. But there are guests down there. And of course, I thought this was going to be a thing. The guests heard fighting. And it gets back to Captain Carrie. And they both are going to get reprimanded. No, no, it wasn't.

49:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So it's the final day, 7 a.m. I have a three-page long letter from Rainbow. Because, of course, Rainbow's like, oh, I'm going to go. And I'm going to tell on her. I'm going to tell on so-so. Oh, good one, Rainbow. First of all, you've told on her for the past three weeks over, like, stupid shit. Like, I saw her standing there, like, hugging someone, smoking a cigarette, which literally no one is going to care about. And now no one cares about it. You know, like, you've got to save them up. And also, she's texting Fraser while he's asleep, and he gave her the job of dealing with this girl.

50:26Ronnie Karam: So, I don't know who you think you're making look bad, but it's kind of you because you're supposed to be managing her. Although, Solane sucks. So let me just practice this by saying, I get where Selina's coming from, but her whole like, I'm going to go tattletale a Fraser and we'll see how she likes it. And he's like, I don't care. I don't care. Do you understand? Listen, the Fraser without a Bob would have cared, but this new Fraser doesn't. And she's wildly entertaining. Yeah.

50:58Ben Mandelker: I mean, like Rambo, her tattling is just delivered in such a sort of angry kid sister way that no one takes it seriously. And she just needs to work on her gravitas. She needs to, instead of doing things like, um, Fraser, so you didn't give Selene a break. We're not doing breaks yet, right? Because she's out there having a bowl of cereal. That's not going to be as effective as sitting down and saying, I'm doing a lot of the work. I need you to help here as my supervisor because I'm reaching my wits end because she's not doing what she needs to do. And it's affecting my performance or something like that.

51:38Ben Mandelker: But like the tattling means that when you get to a situation like this, you're just not taken seriously. And it's actually kind of bullshit because I just think that like Fraser has Elaine's back more than than rainbows and he should have rainbows back more. But she doesn't make it easy for herself by being so so tattly.

51:53Ronnie Karam: Well, we all know, you know, when there's two little kids and one runs to their mom constantly, it's like, oh, my. God, Raleigh trying to pull out my eyelashes. Eventually, the mom's just going to be like, you know what? No one likes a tattletale. You know? You know what, Carly? No one likes a tattletale. Go to your room. And then she gets in trouble. And meanwhile, I've got, like, eyelashes that I'm gluing onto my doll. And I'm just happy as pie. Yeah. Yeah. And that's just how it is. She's a tattletale. No one likes a tattletale. And also, she tattletales badly because she's like, oh, my God.

52:24Ronnie Karam: She's drinking with the guests. And she's fucking around. And then she's drinking white wine while she cleans. Okay. But you put while she cleans into the complaint, which means she's actually working and drinking white wine. And no one's going to get mad at her for doing that on the last night. They're just not. And honestly, no one would. Yeah.

52:44Ben Mandelker: But, but also if you're going to, if you're going to like spend the energy to tattle, you're, you're basically tattling into a void. You might as well at this point, like tattle to carry, right? Like it's your last night. If, if Selene's going to go for it, why don't you go for it? Why don't you do, why don't you be the Selene of tattling and just, yeah, and just tell captain Kerry and let him do a symbolic firing. Cause honestly, I can't imagine that a captain would be happy about that. I feel like a captain would say, I don't care. Like, I don't care if it's day one or day Zed. You're out of here.

53:17Ben Mandelker: There's a super yacht. You got to have standards and let this be a lesson so you can grow. Flourish. And what an honor. It's been here for me to see you flourish as I fire you. Like I would have loved that.

53:25Ronnie Karam: Well, and also stop picking up her slack and just say, hey, Fraser, it's two in the morning. I've done as I've done 75 percent of this list. I'm exhausted. Selene's drunk and is refusing to finish. So you deal with that how you want to deal with it. Bye. And that's it. Like if Fraser wants to be like this the whole season and let you take up the slack, then just say, listen, Fraser, I've done more than I can do. And like legally, it's probably not legal because it's international, but like my union says I need this amount of sleep and she's not doing her job. So I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and leave that up to you and then boom, leave it up to him.

54:02Ronnie Karam: And then that frustration falls on him. But like picking up all season and then complaining about it, like doing all of her work for her and then complaining about it is just not the way to go. And I see why she's doing it because she wants to prove that she's like the hardest worker. But that comes with a price tag. You just need to say she's not doing her job and the job doesn't get done when everybody's woken up and she gets yelled at. You won't get yelled at. She will. And Fraser is ultimately the manager of all of you. So if she's not getting it done, Fraser is ultimately responsible. So I think she just needs kind of a different tactic because Rainbow is, you know, as a person, probably super annoying, but she's a good worker.

54:39Ronnie Karam: And she's painting herself into a corner with all this enabling bullshit.

54:44Ben Mandelker: I think we need to open up a tattle clinic for future stews. Like, listen, when you get onto that boat, this is how you tattle. Yeah. This is Ben and Ronnie's tattle clinic.

54:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You manipulate, you do, you know, there's ways that you have to, to massage the situation and crying and stomping your feet just is not it. That's not how to lead. I mean, unless you're leading, look how Damo does it. It's a free world. Unless you're leading America,

55:07Ben Mandelker: that's not really the way to lead. I would say follow Damo's lead because he tattle, tattles very effectively. Although he's also a guy and like people tend to be more open to, I think, men tattling than women tattling. I think when women tattles, people are like, oh, whatever, she's just a tattle. But then like if a guy does it, it's like, oh, that's pretty cool that the bro brought me some interesting observations, you know, man. But either way, I think like Damo was very effective with his tattling this season and Rainbow just has to like, She just has to learn how to make sure her message really drives home.

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