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#3012 RHOC S19E12 Part 1: Self Defense Classless

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In this episode, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam discuss the latest happenings in Real Housewives of Orange County (RHOC), particularly focusing on the tumultuous relationships and antics during a self-defense class. The episode features confrontations, humorous pranks, and insights into the stars' lives.

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0:00What happens?

0:01Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that happens?

0:20Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens? I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hello, Ben. How are you? How are you? Welcome to Real Housewives of Orange County Day here on Watch What Crappens. Join us Monday for Amazon Live at 4 p.m. You can find that on Amazon Live. Okay. And there will be links on our Instagram at Watch What Crappens. And also, that's it. Oh, also our bonus this week was a Great British Bake Off cast roast, which was really fun. So go check that out. Next week, we're going to cover something totally different. It's going to be super fun. Ben's already picked what it is. I can't wait to do it.

1:01Ronnie Karam: It's going to be amazing. It's a good one. So thanks for being here, everybody. And thanks to Jeff Lewis and his team. We just did their show today at Sirius XM. That was super fun. Thanks to Patreon, actually. We went to a Patreon mixer last night and saw a bunch of podcasters that we love and adore and had a good time laughing with everybody. Lars from Sup. Matt Marr from Reality Gaze. Malz from Mother May Asleep With Danger. I mean, so. Courtney from Two Judgy Girls. Courtney from Two Judgy Girls. Brandy and Julie from Dumb Gay Politics. Heather McDonald was over there. All kinds of people were over there.

1:38Ronnie Karam: So it was good to see everybody. We actually met this guy who was a TikToker. And he was so cute. And like too young. So I'm not like thirsting over him or anything. But he was like a, he was young. He was like a twink. But he, his whole thing was that he's an eater on TikTok. And I've been obsessed with it ever since. Like I looked through his TikTok. I was like, how is this a thing? And when can I start? Like, what the hell? And how have I not met a man who's an eater? I want to meet an eater. That's so hot. He just sits there and eats some fucking food on the TikTok. I'm in love with his life.

2:12Ben Mandelker: Wait, how many followers did he have again?

2:14Ronnie Karam: 1.5 million people, Ben. Watching him eat. Yes. I love it. And he was so sweet.

2:21Ben Mandelker: how privileged were we to be able to sit front row and watch him eat we watched him 1.5 million people who are clamoring around their phones and we got to watch him eat a steak right in front of our eyes he was lovely also uh we met sam um sam sanders who does actually like a million podcasts like vibe check etc but he's also on npr and he's wonderful too it was so cool i'd love meeting the fellow podcasters and like chatting with them and having a good time so yeah i'm like if my voice is a little raspy today it's because there was like a lot of like shout talking happiness like oh my god yes exactly and um drinking so i apologize if i sound a little raspy or a little a little more countess luann today well yes but that's just how it goes yeah super fun so thanks for

3:12Ronnie Karam: showing us a good time fellow podcasters and patreon and today we are back with real house wise of orange county season 19 episode 12 um it's called defense defense is the best offense

3:28Ben Mandelker: okay yeah yeah yeah because it's about self-defense right so uh we start actually at the self-defense class we're gonna get some like little clips to wet our appetite for future controversy and And it's Gretchen and Heather and Gina and Shannon.

3:46Tamra Judge: And Gretchen's like, are we ready for Sims out of the fence? How was your guys trip?

3:50Ben Mandelker: And Gina's like, it was fun.

3:53Tamra Judge: And Gretchen's like, really? What'd you guys do? And she's like, we rode these like motorcycles and these like side cars and I feel mad.

4:02Ronnie Karam: And we see clips of how fun this was with Shannon's snot blowing all everybody, all over everybody, wacky laughing and stuff. Yeah. And Gina thinks there was progress made between Tamara and Shannon. Okay. And we see the dinner and there was no progress. Okay. No progress. There was no progress. Tamara's like, you know what?

4:22Gretchen Rossi: I know it's a difficult conversation, but, you know, real friends have conversations. And, you know, real friends like me having conversations with real friends like you, with real drunk dads. You know, I just, it's important. It's important that we talk about it.

4:36Ben Mandelker: Okay. Yeah, we see flashbacks to Shannon. I grew up in a bit of chaos.

4:41Tamra Judge: Oh, yeah, because your dad drinks. No, Tamara, I know you're trying to help, but that's like too much. It's just, you know what? I can't, I cannot do this with you right now, Tamara.

4:48Gretchen Rossi: I cannot do this. Jesus Christ, every time I say one thing, you jump down my throat faster than kettle. One jumps down your throat. I'm sick of it, bitch. Watch out, another glass of champagne. You're all called a stupid bitch.

5:01Ronnie Karam: They're like, yeah, they did well. They did well. It was a good trip. It was a good trip. It was a good trip.

5:06Tamra Judge: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for telling me that.

5:08Ben Mandelker: Um, Emily, do you mind telling me what you how LA was what was like? What was that like for you? Well, Gretchers Gretchers, which by the way, I hate it. Thanks to you. Oh, I can't stand it every time she says Gretchen

5:23Ronnie Karam: I just can't take it. I can't take it. I'm gonna rip off my face if they say Gretchen one more time

5:30Ben Mandelker: Gretchen says loose lips when she drinks a lot of fireball

5:39Ronnie Karam: And of course, she was.

5:41Gretchen Rossi: Gretchen was saying, I have audio of her trying to sing in a studio, and it was not very good.

5:46Ronnie Karam: Gretchen, have you heard yourself? I'm not saying that Tamara sounded good, but you are throwing, you know, water balloons in a carnival. That didn't make much sense. I really don't like you. That sounds nice. I know, it actually sounded fine. That sounds endearing. I just don't like, don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house. I mean, I get what it means. It just sounds so painful because I like throwing rocks. I don't care if I live in a glass house. I don't want to be covered in gashes.

6:16Ben Mandelker: You really shouldn't throw anything if you're living in a glass house. I just want to put that out there right now. Well, a water balloon.

6:22Ronnie Karam: Why are you throwing anything in any sort of house?

6:24Ben Mandelker: If you're in a house, don't throw anything. It's still a house. Okay. You can mess up a wall. Just stop throwing things. Okay. Hey, don't throw pearl necklaces when you live in a blonde house. It doesn't make sense either.

6:38Ronnie Karam: No, none of it makes sense. You're a hack and you're a terrible singer. So please stop with your voice judging. That's the point.

6:47Ben Mandelker: I have to say, for those of us who are lucky enough to have heard that recording of Tamra, that of course resurfaced over the past week, it's sort of been in my head. like the recording is the recording is like 30 seconds but like her actual singing is maybe two literally two seconds and all she does let me see if I have access to my falsetto today but all she does is go celebrate no hate that's it and I have that like little refrain in my head like all week long

7:18Gretchen Rossi: celebrate no hate celebrate no hate celebrate no hate Snippet.

7:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It was just a tiny little snippet. So, yeah. So, Gretchen showed it. And so then we see the clip of Slade being like, well, actually, the two of them started messing around and they forgot they were recording. The guy from Nelson, both of the brothers from Nelson, she was banging them both while they were singing the song about no hate. and Emily's like, wait, there's audio of them having sex. So we see that whole clip and then Tamara hears all this

7:59Gretchen Rossi: and she's like, wow. Wow, bitch.

8:03Ronnie Karam: Wow.

8:03Gretchen Rossi: Wow, really?

8:06Ronnie Karam: She's doing that thing where she makes blow lips and she's just like, really, bitch?

8:12Ben Mandelker: Really? The old sucking on the invisible straw face. So then we see stuff that we're going to get to anyway, but it's basically like, not too long afterwards it's fading. So now 48 hours earlier and Shannon's at her house.

8:26Tamra Judge: They're talking to Archie. Oh my God. Hey Archie, I'm going to call Sophie on the phone. You want to call Sophie right now, Archie? Do you want to do that, Archie? Archie, you're not still drunk from that walk late at night, are you? Come on, Archie, we're going to call Sophie.

8:40Ronnie Karam: So she does and Sophie has, I'm assuming, a new gay friend in her apartment building because I don't know anybody else who would talk to a mom like this. But Shannon's like, oh wow, Andrew. Thank you.

8:52Gretchen Rossi: Because when Sophie called me and said she wanted to come home, she was at your place. And I just love that you live in the same building and you watch out for her.

9:00Ronnie Karam: And he's like, oh, yeah, I also brought the goods for us, wine, candy and magnums.

9:05Tamra Judge: I was like, wow, wow, wow. I'm hoping that you're discussing the chocolate covered ice cream treat that you can get in a freezer section. Please tell me that's what you're saying.

9:15Gretchen Rossi: Please say it's the Blu-ray of Magnum P.I. Because that was one handsome man. If anybody can get over heartbreak, it's with that one. That mustache.

9:26Tamra Judge: I tell my ladies friends.

9:29Gretchen Rossi: Do not talk about penises with my daughter, you heathen. Okay, good to call.

9:34Tamra Judge: Good to talk to you. Oh, God. Oh, Magnum B.I., I tell you. Friday night at 8 p.m. One hour. Do not disturb because Tom Selleck is on my TV and I am wearing my Blue Bloods t-shirt. Okay. Woo-hoo.

9:47Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Britt's house. Gina is coloring her kid's hair with Britt in the Kitchen, who's just basically Kelly Dodd. It's like she's a Kelly Dodd with, like, downers. Like, the crazy pills or whatever. So they're dying the kid's hair, and they actually bleach it blonde.

10:06Gretchen Rossi: And she's like, oh, my God. You look just like your mommy. He's blonde just like his mommy. Now we just need to get you a dryerscale.

10:15Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And then we go to Heather and she is FaceTiming with her daughter on FaceTime. She's like, hello, are you excited to be wrapping up your tour of duty in Paris? She's like, yeah, I just don't want to leave. And she's like, oh, really? You don't want to leave? And she's like, you want to see Vincent the cat? She's like, yes, please show me Vincent. Grandma's on the phone. Grandma, you know, it's so funny. I remember one time we put Wendy Malick on FaceTime for Vincent and that cat crawled up to the ceiling.

10:46Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. Good memories. I've never had a cat ask me to be put down before.

10:54Ronnie Karam: So then we go over to Emily's house, and her daughter Annabelle is painting her nails. And she's like, I'm going to show you how some of this works, because you're like a little DeLulu, Mom.

11:07Gretchen Rossi: You're DeLulu. You don't understand nails. DeLulu. I'm going to get you some Busser nails, Mom. Busser.

11:17Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, mom. You know what? You used to get like really dark red, right? Isn't that what you used to put on? Yeah, it's called hooker red. Yeah, I bet you used to be one. Stop. You don't even know what that means.

11:30Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah, I do. That's when you hook up with men. I mean, you know, she's close. And Emily's like, I've been with your father for 16 years. All right. And then I'm both like, yeah, but what was before that? And Emily just makes a look at the camera like, yeah, no kidding. My taste level was there.

11:51Ben Mandelker: Before that was aspirations. And then Shane. Oh, thanks, mom.

11:59Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Jen's house and Ryan comes in totally just casual, not ready for TV at all. He's got like blinding teeth and like perfect hair. He's like, hello, it's me, Ryan. hi i thought we said we weren't gonna get stressed over this wedding wink don't marry this man i'm telling you right now do not marry this man this man's gonna cheat on you this man's gonna take all your money nothing good's going on with this man we all can see it coming it's obvious it's blinding it's as blinding as those t-fers don't do it yeah yeah so she's like well i'm just like

12:36Tamra Judge: going back and forth like do you feel like we should maybe do this september wedding instead

12:39Ben Mandelker: I don't know. What do you think? Still waiting out, holding out for that offer from Bravo. He's like, listen, I think that sometimes you just need to like put a flag in the ground, right? Put a boner in the jeans. Okay. We're just going to do it in September. We're just going to stop waffling. Oh my God. Waffling. I didn't even know that was part of the buffet. Oh, I have to go back to the wedding planner now.

12:59Ronnie Karam: I can't have waffles as part of the buffet. They're going to have fatty photos of me. You know how these girls are. I thought we left waffling in the past. Yeah. She's like, well, I just got so freaked out because dawson's moving he's going into the marines and i just was starting to put every wheel in motion and get everything planned and then boom my son's going into the what does that have to do with anything just have your wedding it's a bikini wedding it doesn't take that much planning i mean what are you getting some sandwich trays from ralph's just get married

13:26Ben Mandelker: for christ's sake yeah she i guess i guess her reasoning is that she was like thinking about moving up the wedding so that way dawson could go before he goes to the marines are you not allowed to go to your mom's wedding if you're in the Marines? Do they not give exemptions for that? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know.

13:45Ronnie Karam: I thought like family values. Have you not watched that show with Teresa Giudice that's on right now? You would know. Special Forces. Special Forces Unit.

13:54Ben Mandelker: How about special exemptions for special occasions? My mom's getting

13:59Ronnie Karam: married in a bikini this weekend. Can I go?

14:02Ben Mandelker: You're going to be like, no. No. It's like, oh, it's like that's like what It's like, we have to do things other than you going to a bikini wedding. So she is like, well, I just kind of had this freak out moment. I was like, oh my God, I'm marrying a guy who has paint splatter on his denim. And I'm just like still having them. And then I realized Dawson's doing this. And then we're going to get married. And then we'll get married. And then we'll work around that when Dawson's home. And I'm just like, I guess this was a flashback when she was talking to Gina. And Gina's like, you know, why are you putting that pressure on yourself?

14:37Ben Mandelker: so I guess that helped Jen snap out out of this and not freaking out so much about this wedding planning this is the most low-key housewives wedding planning we've ever seen by the way there's like this casual kind of like a wedding thing happening in the background of the season and like no one cares about it it's like barely even registering on any of our radars

14:56Ronnie Karam: yeah just go back to your roots get married in a parking lot and call it a day that's what I say just wear some flip-flops and a bikini get it done

15:05Tamra Judge: last time she went back to my roots She wound up putting my hair in her hair. I got married on TV last season.

15:11Gretchen Rossi: Married on TV.

15:12Tamra Judge: Oh, really, bitch. Really? I wore a bikini last summer. Now she wants to wear a bikini. Oh, my God. Single by female.

15:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she's like freaking out about this wedding that nobody cares about. And I just like her whole attitude is like, this is really, really hard on the kids. Sing me marry somebody that's not their father. So I want to make sure they're all there to watch it. I know. Let Dawson take a break. He actually has an excuse not to be there. Let the man live. None of you signed his damn loan for that kid to go to college. So just leave him alone. Let him go live his life.

15:49Ben Mandelker: You know, my first wedding was so wah, wah, wah. You know, violins and orchestra and sit down dinner and food and pasta apps and, you know, wedding band and music and people having fun and a photographer. And I just want the complete opposite of that. I want us to sit in chairs that are sinking into the mud and no one's even playing any music. It's just going to be great. A great rebellion. I'm like, that first wedding sounded okay. But basically she's like, I want to get onto a boat. We're going to drink Malibu and party all day long. We're just going to have a big old trashy boat fun boat time.

16:22Ben Mandelker: And that's it. Yeah.

16:25Ronnie Karam: So then we, why are we still on the scene? It goes on for a very long time. It's still going on. I thought it ended two pages ago. So now we're talking about Temecula. And she's like, well, the house was insane. And Tamara just kept saying, you should get married here. And I'm not going to lie. There was a part of me that was like, this could be easy. Tamara's already booked it. Now I can book it. It'll be my place. It's a trap.

16:51Ben Mandelker: It's a trap. Because Tamara will be like,

16:53Tamra Judge: oh, all of a sudden she's having a wedding at the place that I said she should have a wedding with while she's copycatting all the things I tell her to do.

16:59Ronnie Karam: You know, it's like, I would not touch it with a 10-foot pole. Now she's having a wedding in the house that I found. The house that I found.

17:07Gretchen Rossi: What you gonna do next? Have a motorcycle and a sidecar, bitch.

17:11Ronnie Karam: So she's talking about having dinner and then how things went south with Shannon and Tamara. And on the way home, Shannon didn't say one word. Shannon, stop being so fucking miserable. Like, honestly, you're on a TV show. If you don't want to hang out, I don't blame you for not wanting to be around Tamara. But your misery level, listen, and I love Shannon's misery. It's not like Shannon's never been miserable shan that's whole that's shannon's point is being miserable like i get she's fulfilling her role on the show but it's like 90 of the time now it needs to be like 40 of the time we need the good times mixed in with the bad times right now she's just ratchet ratchet there i said it there i said it or what are you gonna cancel me now ratchet you know when i gave

17:55Ben Mandelker: her that word. I gave her that word. I did enjoy the flashback of them driving in Tamara's trash mobile and Shannon just looking out the window like, I am so angry.

18:07Tamra Judge: I'm so angry. I can do nothing but look at the beautiful scenery of Carl's Jr.'s and McDonald's going by as we drive back from Temecula to Orange County. I am just livid right now and everyone will see it because I'm looking out a window.

18:20Gretchen Rossi: I am extremely upset and I will not even share with you people the avocado mountain story uh you told us that one already shannon damn it fine oh okay well we just

18:33Tamra Judge: we just drove by and annie says i guess we're not gonna stop by and look for fashions there that's fine that's fine we don't have to go there we don't have to go there

18:41Ronnie Karam: don't listen to me um so ryan's like you know i actually give shannon a lot of credit because she's got her own boundaries you know and she's like i tried and now i'm out you know and that's is how it is. Also, I hate Tamara's guts. So I'll support anything that Shannon does. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crapins commercial.

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21:19Ronnie Karam: Speaking of, let's go to Tamra's where look who's back home. It's Eddie. It's Eddie, guys. Eddie back from Big Bear where he's been hiding out all season. Here he is.

21:30Ben Mandelker: He has come in and he said, you know what, America? It's time to change things around. this time you're going to get some charisma out of me just kidding he left the charisma in Big Bear again so now he's talking to the dog and he's like you poop more than any dog I've ever met

21:47Tamra Judge: yeah Eddie that was a good one here's some watermelon

21:51Ben Mandelker: wow very Martha Stewart of you okay just because you serve something on a platter does not make you Martha Stewart come on Eddie

21:58Gretchen Rossi: well I don't got anything to do so I'm going to take Sophia to the music institute in Hollywood

22:04Ronnie Karam: Which I love because that was a scene that we saw of Lisa Vanderpump taking Max to Hollywood to the music school and acting like it was like, I don't know. What's a war-torn country right now? Insert war-torn country here. It's like, oh, darling, I can't do it. Please, armor the car.

22:23Gretchen Rossi: Who are these people standing around on the street without showers?

22:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she really like, she was acting horrified. She did look like she had like walked into Ukraine. She was like, oh, watch out for Putin. And she's just walking down Hollywood Boulevard. That was, it was really, truly like the scene in big business where the limo or the taxi cab drops them off, like in the middle of the Bronx. And Bette Midler and Lily Tomlin have to like walk to the subway. And they're like, like, what do we do? So Tamara is Yeah, she's talking We have a flashback of her talking to Sophia Who is like ready to go Up to LA and like You know, advance her music career God bless, this is the right move for this poor girl Get out of there And Tamara's like, it's gonna be a sad day

23:11Tamra Judge: When Sophia moves out of the house But then I'll be the hottest one in the house again, bitch Ha! She's my last one at home But I want her to experience going to college Making those friendships going out having fun coming on late doing things I wasn't able to do afternoon snacks late night snacks going to Starbucks waking up in the morning I'm like these are such

23:33Ben Mandelker: basic things like I wanted to go outside I wanted to make friends poor Tamara she's really been deprived of some real building blocks of just living I mean I get the college part but she's like

23:45Gretchen Rossi: yeah making friendships going out having fun coming home late you know stuff I wasn't able to do

23:51Ronnie Karam: Tamara, we've watched you going out, having friends, ruining friends, coming home late. And you've done all that. What are you talking about? But I get what she's saying. You know, how can you have Ryan at such a young age and now be at this age and look at what Ryan has become and not feel like?

24:09Gretchen Rossi: God damn it. I could have gone to music school. What the hell? I'm wasting my time.

24:15Ben Mandelker: We've been watching this show for about 19 years now. And every time we see one of these housewives children preparing to spread their wings, I think we're all just kind of like, do it. Get out. Get out while you can. Don't be a Lucy angel.

24:29Ronnie Karam: Run like hell. You can be the one. Burn your fingerprints off. You know, just get the hell out of here.

24:37Ben Mandelker: Especially this girl. She's so sweet. And she's like an artist. And she's like edgy. And she sort of has like a Joan Jett kind of hairstyle. I'm like, you should not be in Orange County. This is not your place. Go to Hollywood. Go to Silver Lake. Find the hipsters. Be with the artists. Do not stay here in Costa Mesa or San Juan Capistrano. This is not like dinner point is not for you, Sophia. Please go, go find your path. Yeah, so Tamara's like

25:05Gretchen Rossi: You know, Shannon, Shannon was miserable on that trip Just fucking miserable Yeah, and you shared with me that your dad had a drinking problem You know what, Zoe, I said maybe your dad has a drinking problem And she's like, how dare you? I mean, I just can't say anything about you You just can't call anybody an alcoholic anymore

25:23Tamra Judge: I can't do this with this woman anymore I'm too hot for this

25:28Ben Mandelker: And Eddie's like, well, until somebody is ready to help themselves You can't help them, right, Martha Stewart?

25:35Tamra Judge: Yeah, that's good. She was open up. She was talking about the difficulty she had growing up and the problems she had with her dad. And I was just trying to enter that conversation and not call her out or anything. I wasn't trying to call her out. I was just trying to remind her that her alcoholic bloodline has a 0.1 OBAC level.

25:55Gretchen Rossi: That's it. Yeah, you know, she got mad at me for calling her dad an alcoholic because I said her dad's an alcoholic. You know, because the dad, he's an alcoholic I hope she doesn't get mad that I'm saying the dad's an alcoholic So many times in a row

26:07Tamra Judge: You know, if the apple doesn't fall far from the tree Especially if it lands in an apple martini glass You know what I'm saying?

26:15Ronnie Karam: So she's pulling her whole leg

26:17Gretchen Rossi: I just don't know why she's so mad at me I was just trying to help I didn't think it was such a big secret

26:24Ronnie Karam: And then we cut to Shannon

26:25Gretchen Rossi: She's like, oh, I wish that I could believe That Tamara had only good intentions but I know her. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. I will start a show called Tres Amigas with you. Fool me three times. I will scream at you until you try to have me thrown into a mental hospital. Screw me four times.

26:45Tamra Judge: I'm going to make you salmon with hoochies on the inside.

26:50Gretchen Rossi: Stuff a salmon with cream cheese and serve it to you before I yell at you.

26:55Tamra Judge: Fool me five times. I will have you go move to New York and give my daughter magnums. Fool me six times. I will go to a Lucille Roberts, and I will complain to the manager.

27:12Gretchen Rossi: She has crossed the line with me. I will never be friends with this one. Hold on. Tamara's calling. Hello. I will meet you at lunch. Can't wait to see you. Love you, too. Okay.

27:21Tamra Judge: Wait a second. That was a robocall. Okay, well, fool me seven times, and I will not answer the phone any longer. Oh, well, she's calling back. Hold on one second. Okay. Oh, it's another robocall. Okay, well.

27:34Gretchen Rossi: Yeah, and I'm just trying to move forward with Betchen, too, but that's just a whole different circumstance because this girl's attacked me for 12 years.

27:42Ben Mandelker: Wait, this reframing, this ref, I'm sorry, but this reframing of Tamra, this episode, cracked me up. the way she has turned the tables and made herself her own victim where she's like she's like say that Gretchen's been attacking her for 12 years she's been attacking me we have been watching we will always remember that reunion we will remember Naked Wasted we will remember

28:09Tamra Judge: did you go to Bass Lake

28:11Ben Mandelker: I mean we like you have been coming for Gretchen all this time and at this point if Gretchen comes for you it's just like it's kind of like earned retaliation in my mind at this point.

28:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's just Tamara. She's so good at reframing everything because she knows they can only show so many clips, right? So the proof of Gretchen coming for her is 2017 at dinner.

28:36Gretchen Rossi: So do you know if Eddie's gay or not?

28:39Ronnie Karam: And one of the guys saying, I saw him making out with a guy. Dun, dun, dun. So Eddie's like, yeah, you're talking to Gretchen? why would you talk to Gretchen? And now let's go over to Gretchen's house. Yeah.

28:55Gretchen Rossi: Skylar Gray. Skylar Gray.

29:01Ben Mandelker: Skylar Gray. Isn't that sort of like naming your kid Gray Skies? I don't know. Well, they'll clear up. So then the doorbell rings and...

29:09Gretchen Rossi: It's actually two brands of vodka in one. You've got Sky and Grey Goose.

29:14Ronnie Karam: I'm not really sure. If you want me to drink your baby, Do you want me to drink your baby?

29:24Well, you know,

29:25Ben Mandelker: there is a rumor that she was conceived while they were listening to the Mr.

29:28Tamra Judge: Belvedere theme songs. Well, that's hidden three for three. So, um...

29:35Ben Mandelker: That's as far as I can get with my vodka jokes. Run, Fido, run! Sorry, that's dumb smoke.

29:47Ben Mandelker: absolutely so anyway I love that there's a lady who arrives to pick up Skylar Grey to take her to school or is a nanny or something her name is Miss Aaliyah and she is basically like the nanny from Muppet Babies because we don't see her we just hear Gretchen

30:04Ronnie Karam: I don't even believe it was anybody there I think it was just a Facebook filter or it was an Instagram filter that came to pick that kid out because Gretchen's like protect your skin And she's just like, take this filter with you. Wear it everywhere you go.

30:18Tamra Judge: Miss Aaliyah is here for you. Go away with Miss Aaliyah.

30:21Ben Mandelker: Miss Aaliyah is like, I will not be seen on camera with this lady. I will not.

30:26Tamra Judge: Gretchen's like, are you sure you don't want to put some pearls in your ears?

30:29Ronnie Karam: She's like, no, just give me the child. It's like, I don't want to come anywhere near you. You're going to try and erase my face again. Do you remember when she first had her kid and she was like face tuning the baby on Instagram and people were having a fit? you don't facetune a baby what is wrong with you Gretchen she's got an obsession she can't stop erasing everyone's face she loves she just is like

30:55Ben Mandelker: listen no one is opposed to facetuning it's a fun little thing to do but Gretchen just like puts it on max and then goes back and like it's locked in and she facetunes it again so that way it's like facetune on the facetune and then like pretty much like half the people on her Instagram look like that that Jesus this like adjustment that that little old lady did in Spain. You know, it's just like, it's just like a gradient. Everyone just has gradient faces. Gradients with eyes. Yeah. She's like,

31:23Gretchen Rossi: but I don't want my baby to look old. It's like,

31:26Ronnie Karam: it's your baby's one. Would you stop face tuning the baby? Okay. Everyone thinks you've given birth to a pencil eraser.

31:37Ronnie Karam: So a pencil eraser with a bow in its hair and a crucifix around its neck you know come on jesus give the baby a break so gretchen is now that the

31:47Ben Mandelker: now that the child has disappeared into the ether gretchen is like i was so tired last night i went

31:54Tamra Judge: to sleep but i felt like i didn't get to fill you in we were all having fun and being silly and letting loose and somehow my music that brought up and it made me made me think about when tara went out to the press and was talking shit.

32:09Ronnie Karam: Tamara Barney says no housewives should sing. Defines her own Bravo job description. That's the headline we see. And Slade's like, oh, so you talked about her music career?

32:20Gretchen Rossi: She goes, yeah, about the music. And so that's rich coming from Tamara talking shit about housewives trying to sing. She's in a freaking studio trying to sing and she's sounding like a drowned rat.

32:32Ronnie Karam: I like that she just keeps saying that. No one's told her that that's not what a drowned rat is. So you look like a drowned rat. You don't sing like a drowned rat. Maybe you sing like a rat that's like stuck in a door. I don't know.

32:44Ben Mandelker: Also, the rats drowned. It's not singing. There's no noise coming out of that rat. Also, to be fair, when Gretchen says that's rich coming from Tamara, like, see, you're lying again on camera. Nothing rich comes from Tamara.

32:58Ronnie Karam: She's not a rich housewife. So they ask her if she's heard Tamara's singing voice. She goes.

33:04Gretchen Rossi: it was not great, but that's okay because she gets an A forever.

33:09Ronnie Karam: Gretchen, we've heard you sing. I mean, I can't stress this enough. Just you're not, don't bring up anyone singing and especially your own. Please don't bring up the ears. No one needs this. So Slade's like, oh yeah. So he's like, oh yeah, the song she did in that studio where she fucked Nelson. Yeah, I remember. Like Slade doesn't know this conversation's coming up. We saw you guys on the phone two nights ago talking about this whole thing. Slade's like, you guys talked about this? So bad at this. By the way, have you seen Slade's website, his production website? Someone posted it on Reddit. It's like, this production company, it's all the people on it except for him are from AI.

33:49Ronnie Karam: They're like people that you can search the pictures and they show up from like, you know, image sites where you can pick images and pay for them. And then the credits, he's like, yeah, we've produced Real Housewives of Orange County and Marriage Bootcamp. You have not produced them. You've been an under five on these shows, sir. Or like a one season wonder on these shows. You're not a producer. It's so crazy. You're below the line. So Gretchen is like,

34:15Tamra Judge: Yeah, well, I was trying to talk about the music. So the fact that you brought up the part that we told you to bring up, God, that really frustrated me. I'm like legitimately like mad that you brought it up.

34:25Ben Mandelker: And he's like, oh yeah, I apologize. It wasn't my intent to cause conflict by saying on camera that Tamara was boning a member of a boy band, possibly Nelson, possibly another one. And the fact is that she's the one that did it. So sorry, you are such a fucker. Don't make us stand up for Tamara on this one, but you're being a real piece of shit as usual, Slade.

34:46Ronnie Karam: Well, that's the thing, you know, and Gretchen can't last on this show because she's going to get fired for the same reason she got fired before. Slade. Who wants to fucking work with Slade, trying to be a housewife over there, starting fights with housewives, saying vile things about like we're not here for this slade okay we're not here for you go away and take your eraser face with you please yeah and gretchen's gretchen tells us you know slade

35:10Ben Mandelker: you know you know his shenanigans shout out sheena shenanigans he always goes more than what the one he needs to talk about and then we see a footage of slade saying that tamra looks like the michelin man you know on his stand up i'm like gretchen you married this man like why is this not a deal breaker for you. I'm sorry. I think this is a deal breaker. I think this is actually, like, he's a piece of shit. And you can't just be like, oh, he just always goes a little bit too far. No, that's terrible, because Tamara goes too far, too. And look how, look what your thoughts are on Tamara going too far.

35:44Ben Mandelker: But then, yet you're willing to also just, like, bring this man into your life who also goes too far. Well, that's why she likes him,

35:49Ronnie Karam: because she uses him as her batting ram. You know? She's going just as far as he is. She just likes it. So, she's like, she can sense Slade out to do all her dirty work and spread all this shit like she has all season and then be like, oh, Slade. Then she can blame him and look like, oh, you know, man.

36:07Ben Mandelker: You know, Gretchen has the ability to be like a really like a really good real housewife. She really does. You know, when she first burst on the scene, she was great. I was such a big fan of hers. She came back on this season. I was like, wow, Gretchen is killing it. And in all cases, she starts to curdle because of Slade. And it's just, it's unfortunate because I hate seeing Raw Housewives talent not being used to its fullest. And Slade is just always going to be the metal ball that will drag her down. It's a shame. Yeah.

36:46Ronnie Karam: So

36:47Gretchen Rossi: she's like, that guy's in the doghouse right now for sure.

36:51Ronnie Karam: So she wants to move forward, but, you know, everything's going to remind her of something tamra's done to her in the past and um slade's like well i'm not giving you advice because i'm bitter as hell over all that stuff but you know i'm trying to be a better person i don't even know that she's trying but look at me at least i'm trying just you know spreading roofie rumors and yeah like you're really trying slade okay so then back in tamra's yard eddie says yeah you know gretchen i don't think she's even a good person i mean shannon's harmless, you know, unless you're a house that's in the way.

37:26Ronnie Karam: And she's just very into herself, you know. She's not malicious. She's just wacky. I'm okay with her. But Gretchen, I think Gretchen's evil. Okay, you're kind of invalid, though, because you're married to Tamara.

37:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Gretchen's not evil. I'm sorry. She's not evil.

37:41Ronnie Karam: Don't throw dumpsters when you live in a possum house.

37:46Ben Mandelker: He's like, she was calling me gay. She is the epitome of evil. Ugh, who would even say such a thing? Like, you should be so lucky, Eddie. no kidding it's a compliment you could use it you could use some gay in you yeah so slade's like

38:01Ronnie Karam: you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube after all the stuff she said about me and ryan it doesn't get taken away like how does a person like that have an authentic relationship with

38:09Ben Mandelker: anyone well that's actually fair so gretchen so gretchen's like well i do think that they've

38:17Tamra Judge: already realized it for instance even with emily yesterday she has a whole thing where she's saying to me about Tamra that she doesn't like Tamra. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's a flashback sound.

38:30Ronnie Karam: I wouldn't trust Tamra because like, do I want to hand over information that's sensitive or personal and then one day she pulls it out and throws it back at me? No, thank you. Do I want to pull out this turkey sandwich from my purse and share it with Tamra? No, I don't. Will I eat this turkey sandwich right now to remind America that I'm a wacky person? I will. It's from my purse.

38:52Ben Mandelker: I love Emily saying she doesn't want to hand over information that's sensitive or personal because it might get thrown back at her, which is what Emily does every single episode of this show.

39:03Ronnie Karam: Literally, that's all Emily does is take everyone's sensitive information and explode it in their face over and over again.

39:11Ben Mandelker: And she also cons people into thinking that she's on their side. Like, for instance, right here, when Emily says that she wouldn't trust Tamara, but then immediately, and she's going to curry some favor with Gretchen and build a bond, and then Gretchen will sort of like do some light confiding and then Emily will go and run to Tamara and then explode it all up.

39:27Ronnie Karam: And it's one thing that's always made me crazy about Emily is she can't even play a long game. You know what I mean? Like a good, talented real housewife would do what she's doing in a more subtle way and just build a case and keep it going. But she's, it's like five seconds later, she's like, oh, so you don't like Tamara either? No, she doesn't like you, Tamara. Okay, so you have a recording? okay and this happened to the record oh my god your season would actually be much more entertaining if you weren't blowing your load every fucking episode you know so yeah patient yeah and yet

40:04Ben Mandelker: she's gonna railroad katie off for being um you know shady when emily is doing all this bullshit every single episode in an uninteresting way and then they're all dumb they fall for it and it's like she's so transparent it's just all these people yeah and now look what happens she doesn't

40:18Ronnie Karam: have Katie to bully and mess with anymore, so now they're going to turn on Gretchen, which I don't like Gretchen, so I'm fine with it, but it does show that she's just going to try and ruin whoever else is next, you know? Lame. Lame Emily. Bad work. Lazy work. Lazy house wyvery.

40:38Gretchen Rossi: Commercials. Here comes one right now.

40:45Ben Mandelker: It's time for us as Bravo viewers to take some stock about some things, which is that Emily and Gina have been on Bravo for about seven or eight years now, and they still have yet to have a single iconic moment, line, gif, incident, anything. There's not a clip, clip. There's not a, you can't be stupid and smart. There's not a, you stole my goddamn house. There's like nothing. Well, there's a turkey sandwich.

41:20Ronnie Karam: That is one.

41:21Ben Mandelker: She could do one thing. Turkey sandwich. No, I mean, that's not even really that much of a thing. Like, it really, it was like in that season, it was sort of a thing. But, you know, like all these years later. And like, the truth is everyone, everyone has said, like, Gina is actually awesome. Like that everyone who's worked with Gina said, like, she's kind of the best. And I have to imagine maybe that's why they come back. because maybe Bravo really likes working with them. And I have no doubts that they are probably like cool people. But the truth is we've been watching these people and some seasons they're better than others.

41:57Ben Mandelker: Sometimes we're like, you know what? They actually are. They're doing their job. They're stirring the pot. Why are we always so shitty to them? But I think the issue is that even with the stirring the pot, even with doing the things they're supposed to be doing, we're this deep in and there's still nothing for us to grasp onto as fans. it just is like it's just a big groan and so now here's emily doing her shit again

42:19Ronnie Karam: and we're going to the patterns again here's how i judge how successful a real housewife is that's why i was looking at my phone in case anybody's thinking i'm just over here texting while i was talking i was looking this up uh i like to go you know when you send a text and you can send a gif or whatever like the images section so i'm showing it to people on demand right now so that's what i I do. I type in real housewives of Orange County. Kelly Dodd is first, just making like a little movement. It's like a movement thing. No words. And then we have Tamara's. That's my opinion. Then we have Tamara's.

42:51Ronnie Karam: God, I hate her. Then we have the messy gay that's with Gina Keough throwing a wine glass at Tamara. For him. Get in there. Screaming. That's why you're getting a divorce. And then we have Vicky's whoop it up. And then we have Shannon screaming something.

43:05Gretchen Rossi: We have Gretchen, who's like, we might as well throw jello shots into it.

43:09Ronnie Karam: We have a couple of Heathers, another Heather, some Vicky, some Tamara. We even have a Megan King Edmonds. Megan King Edmonds had moments. We even have the swimsuit designer, Lizzie, saying something. We have another Kelly Dodd. There is not an Emily or Gina in this entire thing after eight years. I mean, even that boring lady. What's her name? Yeah, I got to be more specific on this show, right? No, the one Lydia.

43:48Ben Mandelker: Lydia.

43:49Ronnie Karam: Lydia has a couple.

43:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, like you can say, oh, remember the time when Megan King Edmonds was just like tenacious against Vicky? Remember the time when so-and-so did this? Remember when this, remember when Heather like sat down Shannon and like read over filth or like yelled at Taylor about IMDB. Like there's always, they're like little snippets that like, that like we, we grasp onto you. But like with Gina and Emily, we're looking back.

44:19Ronnie Karam: There's nothing.

44:21Ben Mandelker: There's no like one, no, like those special moments. Like if you're doing a top 100 moments of all time with Real Housewives, what moment are you putting in for Emily and Gina? I'm not even trying to be mean. I'm just building a case of like, I think it's time. I think it's time. I think their time has come. Ax them.

44:40Ronnie Karam: Get rid of them.

44:42Gretchen Rossi: Okay, so Gretchen's like, yeah, I mean, she's literally pushing, pushing, being part of like trying to hear the song, which is going to make her friends sound bad. So she doesn't like Tamar either because she wanted me to play the song.

44:54Ronnie Karam: Gretchen you brought up the song Of course they're going to want to hear the song You can't make them sound like bad friends Just for wanting to hear the song So she's like

45:04Gretchen Rossi: Yeah I'm like was I proud of the fact That even That it even got to that No but my heart and soul was telling me Like I don't want to be a mean girl That's not my intent that's why I called you To be mean so I didn't have to be mean Why were you mean that was so mean of you To be mean I'm so mad at you and the dog ass

45:23Ben Mandelker: Here's the thing Gretchen you could have been messy and you could have been like oh well you know Tamara tried to sing and you could have literally just left it at that it would have been funny and try to but you said yeah remember when she was having the affair with Nelson it's like you said like you add you can't act like I was trying so hard not to be a mean girl when you added the you didn't add flames to the fire you didn't add like oil to the gas to the fire you provided the matches, you provided the gas, you provided the little drum that the fire is in, you provided the logs, you provided everything for the fire.

46:00Ben Mandelker: You were the fire. Don't act like you were held against your will to become a mean girl. Yeah.

46:07Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Tamara with her daughter walking down the glamorous Hollywood Boulevard. They're naming stars. They're looking at stars. They just don't know anybody.

46:19Gretchen Rossi: Tamara's like, it's Patty Page. Sounds like a bitch Here's Bob Hope, that's a stupid name Fred Astaire, what the heck Okay, here we are at the Music Institute After walking down a whole street And no names Losers, you're a bunch of losers, okay They should have poop emojis Instead of sides, bunch of poopos Stupid I know it's a side here

46:44Ben Mandelker: So they go in And Sophia meets with a guy In there, and he gives like a tour and tamra's talking about how you know she's like yeah she makes her own music now she can

46:54Tamra Judge: probably tell you better than me i'm just a hot woman who's here for the ride and

47:01Ben Mandelker: they just go on a little tour and it's like it's it's cute it's nice i'm actually happy for uh sophia and there are definitely flashbacks in our minds to um max todd etc and we we go through all these facilities and the funny part was at one point um she's talking about what kind of she's Sophia's talking about the music, like her inspirations, and she's like, I really like Alice Glass at Crystal Castles, and like trip-hop stuff like Massive Attack, and LDP is pretty cool, and she's like, what?

47:29Tamra Judge: Me's a very bad?

47:31Ben Mandelker: Which is a fun, neat little tieback, callback to the original scene.

47:38Ronnie Karam: So Sophia's like, yeah, my name is Ugly Angel. That's my artist's name. And Tamara's like,

47:45Gretchen Rossi: Ugly Angel. So stupid.

47:47Ronnie Karam: And he's like, yeah, that's edgy. That's edgy. And for paying tuition, I'll pretend that that's a good choice. She's like, yeah. I'm really inspired by people. So they, you know, they look at the tour and the facility and stuff. And then it's time for them to talk. You know, so Paul has to leave. And Tamara's like,

48:05Gretchen Rossi: can you offer this? Because whatever enrollment methods, we should get you in here. Are you going to drive? Are you going to move here? You want to move here? You should move here. You should move here. Ron lives right on the corner. He's right out there right now shaking some change in the can. Come on. Ryan, go live with Ryan. You're going to love it.

48:21Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, you know, I just feel so much more confident about this now because I don't want to be stagnant, you know? I mean, look at you, mother.

48:29Gretchen Rossi: Like, hey, bitch. Yeah, but that's the last thing I want to be.

48:33Ben Mandelker: But, like, sometimes I'm like, okay, with being on my own now, you know? So, Tamara wants to cry, of course.

48:40Tamra Judge: She's like, I want to cry.

48:42Ben Mandelker: And Sophia's like, dude, you cry at everything. It's, like, actually absurd how often you're crying, mom. Like, I appreciate your support,

48:48Gretchen Rossi: but like enough with the tears okay i love you sydney i i just want to say sydney you're doing the best job and i've done the best job raising you and no one named sydney is ever gonna call

48:59Ronnie Karam: me a bad mother again my name's sophia shut up shut up just shut up just go with it roll with

49:04Tamra Judge: it you know when i was 20 years old my dream was to go to the fashion institute you know i wanted to do some fashion believe it or not that is hard to believe the mother it really is

49:15Ronnie Karam: It really is You would think that you would have read something about fashion Before ever going to do that I mean so you wanted to go to the Fashion Institute And now you just defile it Every day of your life

49:28Tamra Judge: I was going to get every girl in North America Shoulder pads and cutouts

49:33Gretchen Rossi: I always wanted to bring those kinds of shirts That are just two pieces of cloth under your armpits That you pull towards the middle of your chest And then you tie off with a giant brass door knocker Always wanted to bring those to the masses.

49:47Tamra Judge: If I had my way, every girl and every woman in America would have gumdrop hair. But at last, I never got to do it.

49:54Gretchen Rossi: I got tied at home with the baby. And that was just a different life for me. Just a different, different life with a horrible, horrible little baby.

50:03Ronnie Karam: And she's like, Mom, you're probably my biggest fan. Like, you're being so supportive. I'm so grateful.

50:10Gretchen Rossi: And what's your name?

50:12Ronnie Karam: Sydney.

50:13Gretchen Rossi: Okay, good job. I'll pay for it. Okay, good job.

50:16Ronnie Karam: So then we go to a med lounge, and Jen is going to get a facial with her daughter Everly.

50:24Ben Mandelker: Everly. This sweet girl Everly, she's like way too normal to be on the show. I mean, this is what always happens on Orange County. Well, I shouldn't say. Orange County actually has some, I would not say it's track record with like super chill normal kids is great, but this is something on Housewives that we see a lot is just like these really lovely kids and you're like, why are they being dragged into this? So they go and they get facials and this is Everly's first ever facial. It's a big moment for her. You know, like I know like in my religion, when you turn 13, you have like a bar bat mitzvah and you become an adult.

50:59Ben Mandelker: And I know in like blonde religion, when you get your first facial, you become an adult. So I'm just like so proud of this sweet person. Blonde religion.

51:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So they do that and they talk about boys and she's going to high school and she wants a boyfriend. Mom, you had a boyfriend in high school. She's like, yeah, but like when I was young, that's what everybody did. But, you know, you're supposed to be at home, you know, doing dances with your elbows on the internet. Isn't that what kids do now? She's like, no, I want a boyfriend. So they have like good, cute, small talk, but then it moves on to marrying Ryan. Dun, dun, dun. and she's like so you know um when you get married typically you have your best friend stand with you and you know tamara's accusing me of being a stalker right now and as i'm gonna probably wear the bikini she wore last weekend on our trip i don't think it would be appropriate to ask her so i wanted to tell you you're my best friend would you like to stand for me at my wedding and she's like i mean i've never even been to a wedding mom and my first wedding will be standing she's like is it weird me being married to jack tripper's neighbor instead of your dad and she's like i'm really i'm really happy for you mom she's like okay well are you are you sure you weren't

52:14Gretchen Rossi: please don't marry him please don't marry that man please don't marry that he wears hello kitty

52:20Ben Mandelker: jogging suits please and i love that like we see that the two of them are doing um like this joint confessionals and jen is like you know and and everly's like sitting there like crying and jen's Like, I mean, Will and I, we were, we were a really good family. And when that splits and that goes away, I mean, there's, there's just no relationship anymore. I mean, it's truly like morning. I mean, obviously look, look at this one. Just sobbing. Look at this. What a mess. Look at my daughter. Isn't she so sweet? What a mess. Look at her. Obviously look, look, she keeps on doing this. She keeps like pointing to her daughter.

52:52Ben Mandelker: Like, I mean, look, am I right? Look, she's a mess. My daughter. Look at her.

52:56Ronnie Karam: Look at her mourn. It is crazy. Like, yeah, well, let me tell you why I want to be married again. I want to be married because I love having a partner. Okay. And Brian's my partner. And I feel like dad and I were parents and marrying Brian changes nothing because I'm still a parent and your dad's still a parent. So you see how that works. So I still love your dad. You know, I just don't want to speak to him or have him in my vicinity, but he feels like family for me, family that I hate. And I will always fight for that relationship with dad always, which I'm doing by marrying the man I cheated with him in a parking lot of Tamra's gym.

53:30Ronnie Karam: so it's gonna go great she's like please don't make i can't stand i can't look at his teeth without hurting my eyes please love it's just such a shitty trade because i'm finally prioritizing

53:42Ben Mandelker: i'm finally being prioritized in relationship with a man who spends time with me and who's my best friend and then i look at the collateral damage this one over here dumb dumb next to me

53:52Ronnie Karam: look at her crying this was so crazy but she goes look at the collateral damage and she just points at Everly who's like sitting there crying. It's like, look at it. Look at that collateral damage.

54:02Ben Mandelker: We had to postpone our first facial by two years because she couldn't stop crying.

54:06Tamra Judge: Oh, God.

54:07Ben Mandelker: It's in these moments where I just feel like a failure. I mean, big old blubbery mess next to me. Can you even call yourself a success as a parent when you got this one next to you on national television? I don't think so. Do you think that your mom's

54:19Ronnie Karam: a failure? And Everly's like, um, no, I don't think my mom's a failure at all. She goes, yeah, well, it's just going to take some time to work on the confident answering. But thank you. Thank you so much, Everly. Thank you so much, CD. Mo? Collateral damage. Let me make that.

54:38Ben Mandelker: CD. You know, I just want to marry my best friend and show you the best version of your mom that may have some paint splattered on her face that was supposed to be going onto the denim. And I just want you to do that by my side, okay? But you're going to have to not cry at the wedding. Well, you can cry, but like happy tears, not collateral damage tears. You can do that, right?

54:59Ronnie Karam: Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap. For part two, go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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56:17Ben Mandelker: This is Livin' with Michelle Vivian.

56:20Ronnie Karam: I love a ya, Olivia Williamson. Tastier than Flandersen, it's Rachel Manderson.

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56:28Ronnie Karam: Yes we canna, it's Sadana.

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56:59Ben Mandelker: Who, what, why, where, and Gwen Pentland.

57:02Ronnie Karam: Let's go into the woods with Guy Tubbs. It's our queen. It's Queen Laifah.

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57:35Ronnie Karam: The Incredible Edible Matthew Sisters. She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose. There's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud. Meat. It's Ronit Feldman.

57:45Ben Mandelker: Maximum love for Sandy Maximoska. She's the queen bee It's Sarah Lemke We cannot tell a lie It's Sarah Talafson Shannon out of a cannon Anthony Please don't stop It's Soli and Pop Let's take off with Tamla Plain

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