#3013 RHOC S19E12 Part 2: Self Defense Classless

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1:30Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

1:44Ronnie Karam: So then we go to United Defense Tactical and Gretchen arrives in some weird jumpsuit with a leather belt and a crazy braid. You know how I was talking on Salt Lake City this week about all the bad hair in that party that they went to at Amy Steele's house and how there was that lady with giant gumdrop hair, like Republican, like, I guess not Republican, but like News Lady. Yeah, like Fox News Lady helmet hair, but then a big long braid. Gretchen has that hair today. Is that just the thing that they're doing now? Is that in the blonde religion? Tap them.

2:17Ben Mandelker: Are gumdrops back in the blonde religion?

2:21Ronnie Karam: Maybe. It's weird. So she comes in looking crazy and she's like, yeah, I'm trying to look like, what do you call her name? Laura Croft. yeah I want to call her craft because that's how I am I'm dumb so I want to say craft

2:36Ben Mandelker: only she would think it's really funny to call someone Laura craft instead of Laura craft oh my god isn't that funny I said Laura craft my intent wasn't to create a costume out of my look for today but then when I started doing it I was like I look like Laura craft or is it craft however I just went with it

2:56Ronnie Karam: yeah so she's very excited you know because we need to learn to defend ourselves and be confident and there's so much shit that women go through which is all true obviously but she says i have seven counts against an individual including stalking and harassment so i've been in this situation before which is why slade wanted me to come here to begin with so is she talking about jay because that's the lawsuit right because it says uh there's a headline and it says real housewives of orange County Gretchen Rossi awarded $500 ,000 in lawsuit. So that was Jay, right? Jay who? The guy that she was accused of sleeping with in Bass Lake.

3:34Ronnie Karam: Oh, geez. Wow. Jay lawsuit. I think that's who it was. The Real Housewives of Orange County filed her suit against former acquaintance Jay Fotoglo in 2010 when she claimed he lied about her being unfaithful to her late fiancé, Jeff.

3:51Ben Mandelker: I was hoping you'd be Miss Jay from America's Next Top Model. Ms. J is like, I'm not stalking you. I'm just trying to get you to wear something better.

4:01Ronnie Karam: Oh my gosh. So she's saying this guy was lying about having an affair with her. Oh, wow. That's crazy. She also claimed he stole her personal property, including nude photos and released online and threatened her. They awarded Rossi 523 ,250 and he filed for bankruptcy in 2012 and attempted to have the judgment discharged. charged now oh wow damn i didn't know all that stuff happened that's crazy yeah i didn't know either i guess well that we now welcome to your education watch what crap happens yeah you didn't have your google alert set for gretchen rossi news i forgot so she has been a scary situation so it's a self-defense class okay so she's inviting everybody to do this thing and we see everybody getting the invite call, you know, Housewives trope, where we see everybody's reaction to the call, the invite.

4:55Ronnie Karam: And so Gretchen invites Heather, and Heather's like, this is so good. You know who needs that? Shannon. Shannon needs self-defense. I mean, God bless her. She's just being attacked by carbs all day long. All day.

5:11Ben Mandelker: Listen, anytime someone raises a hand to me, I just push them down the staircase back into the basement.

5:20Ronnie Karam: so then actually we find out it's not a joke actually I don't remember this part sorry I was making a joke out of it because we find out there's a clip of the lie detector party where Gina says there's there's somebody literally fucking stalking Shannon and Shannon's like targeting me you know he's stalking me I forgot about that sorry to make jokes geez that's dark

5:41Ben Mandelker: I don't remember that it is really dark you're so honey you were you are like wretching herself You are like evil incarnate as per Eddie. Wow.

5:49Ronnie Karam: You made me do it. You made me do it, Slade.

5:53Ben Mandelker: It is scary. And it's like, people need to really just like settle down on the stalking front. Like get a hobby. Get a hobby. Calling Shannon around? Like what? Please. It's terrible.

6:05Ronnie Karam: It's like just someone sitting out in the front yard. That's creepy. So then, yeah. So then this guy's like, oh yeah, it's important for people to understand. They're not prepared. Because people train to be prepared. So today we're doing reality awareness. So that's what we're going to work on today. Yeah.

6:29Ben Mandelker: So people are going to show up. And so everyone's like arriving in cars. Like Jen comes to pick up Shannon. And Shannon is like in character as Madame Swim. Because remember that hilarious character last season. And by the way, I just want to say as long as we're going down. my earlier thing about Gina and Emily about how like even Lydia has moments. We can even think of Lydia anytime. I cannot tell you how many times I think about Lydia being in drag as Charlie Chaplin. I'm being horrified.

7:00Ronnie Karam: She's like, I'm Christian. I can't go to Hamburger Mary's.

7:03Ben Mandelker: That image will haunt me for the rest of my life in that little hat. How can you not go to a place

7:09Ronnie Karam: literally named after Jesus's mother? Yeah.

7:13Ben Mandelker: My, my, um, yeah, my, my brain, my leap there was Shannon as Madam Swim. And then I thought of Shannon dressing up as Brett Michaels and how she was as Brett Michaels walking with Lydia as Charlie Chaplin. That was, if anyone was wondering why I just brought that up out of nowhere, I realized it made sense in my brain and probably to no one else who was listening.

7:33Ronnie Karam: Well, it's interesting because you know, who else remembered that clip? God this week when he didn't rapture her ass. You remember God remembers. Okay. So Shanna's like Wow who does your hair It looks great Jen It looks just like Tamra's She's like oh it's this new person I don't really get down with this kind of hair I mean this is a little sloppy for me She's like oh it's very bohem Very bohem Delicious work on top of your head I just love it

8:02Ben Mandelker: Thank you so much I don't know what that word means But thank you so much Then Gina's like I didn't wear makeup today It's like a physical day Like I don't care So they're all driving, et cetera. They're heading towards it. And they're all wondering, like, what could it be? And Tamara's saying, if Gretchen's doing it, there's probably a costume involved. Sure.

8:21Ronnie Karam: And Lara Craft. And Shannon's like, well, if this is a panic room, I will not do it. I will not do it. And Jen goes, what do you do in a panic room? Panic? The panic room. I love that they're just going to put them in a panic room and terrify them. I love that Jen is like

8:41Ben Mandelker: Oh I love the idea that there's a room you can go into Just to panic It's really helpful with this wedding coming up

8:47Ronnie Karam: A panic room or as Shannon calls them Rooms So They're trying to guess what it is And they start arriving and Emily walks in And sees Gretchen and goes What the hell are you wearing Jesus Christ Listen Emily talking about someone's fashion Is like Gretchen talking about someone singing Okay Just don't do it.

9:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah, the fact that Emily gets in here in her full-on spaghetti strap wrestler look that she's been rocking. And she's like, she looks like Amazon Lara Croft. It's like, maybe talk.

9:28Ronnie Karam: Hello, Amazon pot. You're calling Amazon kettle, okay? Both delivered in a day with Amazon Prime. so um she could have used some of tamra's fashion fashion school experience yeah this is what happens now that tamra didn't go to fit so gretchen's like yeah it's my tomb raider look girl and she goes what are you just you just sprung that hairstyle on your hairstylist that's torture why would you do that so then um heather's like oh wow you're like gi Jane, a role that I was up for that that slut Demi took from me. Well, she sure learned her lesson. Look at her. Nowhere.

10:12Ben Mandelker: Look at her. Oscar loser. Demi Moore. Demi not in Groundlings class Moore. Demi less. Demi less. The ground. Last time I checked, she wasn't the star of a musical in the groundlings i mean she's gonna use that hair as a weapon

10:35Ronnie Karam: maybe she's gonna wrap her hair around tamar's throat you get paid for this so then um gretchen's like yeah i'm so excited for you to see it because we've all been around in situations that can be sketchy times and like especially where we live in the orange county crime capital of the world

10:57Ben Mandelker: and emily's like have you seen where heather lives and like heather doesn't even try to hide it she tells us i'm on the 38th floor and i've got like 12 security downstairs i feel pretty good one time richard marx burst through and he even got up to the 17th floor but he was intercepted and uh sent back to orange county thank god he was beheaded by three different alfredos so she literally is like the final boss in the video game she's like you have to go through 38 floors to get to me and you're not going to be able to make it. Sorry.

11:29Ronnie Karam: She is kind of like the final boss in a video game I played. That blonde girl, The Call of the Mountains. What is it called? Okay, I'm going to look it up. You keep talking.

11:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm not sure. But Gretchen's like, well, we have a little surprise set up for the next ladies that are arriving next. So basically, there's like a little bit of a fun candid camera moment where they're going to set up a fake carjacking. so the the first group of ladies which is like tamra and gina and like uh maybe someone else um they show up and they are like sort of parked and the windows are down and this guy comes over and he's like spare any change you guys got any change tamra's like no sorry and the guy's like oh wow that's a nice car i'm so freaking i'm so fucking sick of you people lying i know you got change it's like 40 fucking times there and tamra she skedaddles out of there so she like jumps across the car on the inside in a way that i didn't even know you could move inside a car

12:30Ronnie Karam: and she's like get away from me she literally pushes herself behind gina like to throw gina in the line of danger i mean the this was a horrible thing to do to anybody by the way i didn't like this this whole like let's pretend they're being car jacked that's not cool i mean why would the producers do that do you not remember the vanderpump rules cop scene calling the cops just i didn't like this i didn't like it at all but it was worth it just to see how tamra would react in that situation just throwing people overboard well it's you know normally most

13:04Ben Mandelker: people would say it's cowardly to do that but i think it was actually a pretty good technique because i think anytime you like put gina in front of a would-be mugger they'd be like oh Oh, there's nothing in those pockets. We'll go on. We'll go on. Okay, we believe you. We believe you. There's nothing in your pockets. Sorry, do you want some Carabella skincare? No, ma 'am. No, it's okay.

13:29Ronnie Karam: So the guy's like, ha ha, ladies, welcome to United Defense Tactical. And Gina goes, that is not funny. That is not funny. You're a very scary gentleman.

13:41Ben Mandelker: Gretchen's like she's a scary gentleman so they go in and they start yelling at the driver Gina's like Colleen you weren't driving the car away like what the hell Colleen and Colleen's like they told me not to say anything Colleen you know Colleen must have loved this we've seen Colleen over the years she has to deal with these bitches all the time she's like you know what this is the best day I ever had at work watching them get scared like that

14:08Ronnie Karam: this is literally what I would do if they were getting robbed right now. I would just sit here. I would just sit here. Also, what's weird about this is this situation isn't even ever addressed in the show. Like, what would you do if someone was trying to get to you through a window? Like, you can't use any of the tactics that they learned today in this situation, but whatever.

14:28Ben Mandelker: I love that none of them had the instinct to roll up their window, by the way.

14:32Ronnie Karam: They're all like, oh, look, there's a crazy

14:33Ben Mandelker: man coming, and they just sat there with their window open.

14:36Ronnie Karam: Well, don't roll it up. You might want our autograph. Okay, let's just wait and see.

14:41Ben Mandelker: Well, there's a lot of toxins in here, so we have to have the window down.

14:44Ronnie Karam: What if I had a heart attack? How would it suit the fuck out of Gretchen? I thought I wouldn't have gotten anything. Maybe a bag of groceries and a subscription to Facetune, a little baby with an eraser face. It's fair.

14:56Ben Mandelker: Fair point by Tamron. So Gretchen's like, I didn't like that. Like, I'm still, like, shaking. Oh, my God. And Heather's like, I thought you were going to poop. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha. Kind of like Demi Moore when she lost the Oscar. G.I. Jane, more like G.I. Loser.

15:17Ronnie Karam: Why didn't Heather and Emily get jacked, by the way? I think that they would have worried what they really would have done. Because I feel like Emily probably has a gun in her purse. And Heather would have just started throwing Alfredos at them. She would have just opened the trunk and just Alfredos would have come out with like ninja stars and started like pelting the guy.

15:38Ben Mandelker: those crab hands would have gone to work she would have been like if you ever try to carjack me or my friends again it will cost you a lot I'm not carjacking Heather

15:52Ronnie Karam: so at the self defense okay so now we're back at the studio and Emily's like Shannon's next if you guys want to watch this is going to be great so Shannon they do the same thing and Shannon's like where are we and jen goes um i think that man is digging in the trash can and shannon's like what what also

16:10Ben Mandelker: shows how how little exposure they have to unhoused people because like you know when you like that's what you see and you don't even need to point it out you know it's not like oh my god look there's someone digging in the trash can you believe it shannon is literally more horrified

16:29Ronnie Karam: that the person is digging through the trash, then she isn't getting carjacked.

16:33Ben Mandelker: I know. They're just like really sheltered. So then he's like, that's a nice ride, homie. You guys got any change? Well, no, I don't. I have been working on myself, so in many ways I do have change. I am change, and it's been a long process, but I'm proud of the work I've done. Thank you for asking. I'm fine being single.

16:55Ronnie Karam: I'm fine being single. Thank you.

16:57Ben Mandelker: Thank you for asking. Yes, I've had a rough go of it. And, you know, I guess I have some change, which is that I used to be married. And then he wound up walking on the beach with a slut. And now I don't have a husband anymore. So, yes, I do have change in my life.

17:12Ronnie Karam: I'll tell you how much I've changed. Would you like to have dinner as friends? You do not have to be intimate with me.

17:18Ben Mandelker: You don't want to. I have a lot of male friends. A lot of male friends. No, I do have change in that I now am aware of the patterns of hurricanes and if they may be going very far inland and perhaps imperiling a lover's house.

17:33Ronnie Karam: So, yes, I guess that's change. I'm sorry, Earl. My name's not Earl, lady. Well, I'm practicing. It's called change. Do you want me to change or not?

17:44Ben Mandelker: I do have some vegetables. Do you eat vegetables? I do. Well, see, there we go.

17:49Ronnie Karam: And I proved finally a real man around here. I will marry you. I will marry you. So he's like, what? You got a fucking car like this? You don't have any money for me? What are you, shitting me? You don't give me your fucking phones. Give me your phones. Give me that shit. Give me your fucking phone, lady. And she's like, what the hell are you doing? How dare you, sir?

18:09Ben Mandelker: How dare you propose some sort of socialist agenda right now?

18:15Ronnie Karam: Just because I don't have to share it with you. I thought Obama got them phones.

18:22Ben Mandelker: The guy's like, are you prepared to die over that phone? Are you prepared to fucking die today? I actually believe I'm going to die every day. It's very scary out there. I have a little bit of a cough, and I'm concerned that this may be the last day I breathe, actually.

18:35Ronnie Karam: Fool me once. Well, I will either be killed by you in this car or killed by the filters that apparently haven't been changed in this car. Oh, shoot.

18:47Ben Mandelker: Well, apparently Dr. Moon says I have some psychological debris in my anus at the moment. So I think I have a good three hours left on this earth. So I am prepared to die, actually. I've been going through it all day and I've settled my things. And yes, I am.

19:02Ronnie Karam: I've died three times just on the way over here. You can't scare me. You cannot scare me. So she actually stays really calm and he's like, are you prepared to die over that phone? And she goes, oh, this is part of the show. This is part of the show. He's an actor.

19:21Ben Mandelker: He's an actor. You're doing a great job. You're doing a great job. Question. Are you able to actually help me get this debris out of my asshole? I really wasn't joking about that part.

19:38Ronnie Karam: So, Jen's like, wow, now all of a sudden Shannon is calm, cool, and collected. So, what we need to do to calm her down is carjack her. Like, what do we need to do with her? She's like, well, I was functioning frozen. Is that a thing? I thought, can I kick his face? No, because he'll probably drag me out of the car. I can't kick his face. Here's what I'll do. I'll be extremely polite to him. And it worked. It worked.

20:02Ben Mandelker: So now everyone comes inside and it's like, everyone, that scary carjacker, that's Josh. He's one of our instructors. Like, oh, very good work. You were very good. Very good. I really appreciate you. So then he does a spiel about training self-defense and how important it is. And so one group is going to go do self-defense class. The other group is going to go to a shooting range. That way you all can learn the skills to save yourselves. But more importantly, you can gossip about the other group behind their backs. Okay, enjoy. Yeah.

20:34Ronnie Karam: We're ready for some self-defense, guys. What are those? Plastic men. And so they teach them some fighting stuff. and Gina is like, you know, I've never taken self-defense class before but like I know, you know, because I know I'm going to die. Like what are you going to do? Like if a man comes at you, just say, wait sir let me try my move. No, you're fucking dead. Well, wait great attitude Gina.

21:02Ben Mandelker: Let me try my move. Okay. Yeah.

21:06Ronnie Karam: So they do some fighting and stuff and then let's see, Heather's like, I really don't see myself being a hand-to-hand combat kind of a girl. You know, I just wear Alfredo jackets. You know, I just, anywhere that looks dangerous, I'm just shielded by Alfredos.

21:22Ben Mandelker: Well, one thing I always do is I carry a small little bowl in my vest. That way, if I make it to run you to go safely, I can have someone send it along to Nobu, but if I get attacked, I can hit them with the bowl. It's very helpful. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

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23:56Ronnie Karam: every home. So then we see the firing range room and they're going to shoot. They're not getting real guns. They're getting projectile guns. Okay. So Jen's like, well, I was raised in Oklahoma, but I never shot a gun. You know, it's like being out in the Wild West shooting guns and riding horses. Well, it wasn't. I'm good with the water gun, though. It's great. Water gun. Locked and loaded. Thank you. Thank you so much for laughing at that. Thank you, guys. Thank you so much.

24:23Ben Mandelker: Thank you. so Emily's like my shooting sucks I can't see anything I need readers so now and Tamara goes up there and she shoots like bang bang bang bang she's a very good shooter and she's like I don't know why any other women would be surprised I'm a good shot I'm a sniper with my words so target shooting it's a breeze bitch

24:44Ronnie Karam: so they're all impressed Tamara's actually really good I was laughing out loud at this part because everyone else was like I'm a girl I don't know how to hold a gun I can't see anything. And Shannon gets up there and she's like, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats, bats. Let's go. They're all dead.

25:03Ben Mandelker: By the end, it's like all of them are lying down dead. She just, it's like, she just has to envision like several different mannequins wearing non-leopard print. She's like, what?

25:12Ronnie Karam: Disgusting. Kill it, kill it, kill it, kill it. She's like, Kristen, Alexis, Lizzie. She's naming them all as she goes. The old guy from the Traders who I said had asthma. Kill him.

25:30Ronnie Karam: So now it's talking time and the instructor's like, okay, as is totally normal on gun ranges, we're just going to all leave you here with loaded weapons to fight it out.

25:41Ben Mandelker: Okay, see you later. See you later. Okay, so where are we? Where are we? And we split up. But where is Ben in his notes? That's a great question for Ben. Oh, in the gym.

25:53Ronnie Karam: So Shannon's like, wow, thank you for scaring the shit out of me today, Gretchen. She's like, sorry, you know what I forgot to ask Wes? Like, what would we do if we were getting carjacked? Shannon goes, well, if I had cash, I would have given him money. I mean, what are you going to do?

26:09Ben Mandelker: Well, I would just say, listen, if I had cash, I would just call him, hey, Mr. John Jansen, here's some money because this is what I do. I just give men money. Okay, and then I'd get sued by him later on for$75 ,000.

26:22Ronnie Karam: Gina's like would you like my debit card Because like you can do it yourself You know like I'll give you my pen It's like looking at a phone It has letters on it Just spell out I feel bad

26:36Ronnie Karam: Well it's funny now But it was not funny then It was not funny then Although I do have a new subscriber to the real real

26:46Ben Mandelker: Anyway it was not funny But I we are going to be going on a date afterwards. Yes. So Gretchen's like, how was your guy's trip? And it was fun. And Heather was like, oh, so remember I said to you on the phone by 1 a.m. You'll be in the hot tub with Tamara going, I love you. Remember I said that? And then I said, I wonder what Demi Moore is doing. Maybe she's cradling her Oscar to bed. And then I said, just kidding. She lost it. Remember I said that part too? Were people listening to me?

27:21Ronnie Karam: Shannon's like well that is not how it happened Okay And then in the firing room Where the other girls are Emily's like oh I was to Macula Okay I'm glad you had fun So we had some bumps because guess what I heard about you And then we go back to the other girls And Gina's like yeah She was sharing Shannon was sharing things about her childhood And her parents And her grandpa's avocado mountain It was really good Yeah, I said my parents had a tumultuous relationship. And then Tamara tuned in to say, oh, well, we know your dad's an alcoholic, you loser drunk. Well, that's not exactly how she said that.

28:00Ronnie Karam: Well, okay, what did she say? Didn't your dad have a problem with drinking or something? Oh, well, same thing.

28:09Ben Mandelker: Wow, that was much different.

28:10Ronnie Karam: Thanks a lot. Well, I mean, that's on fear of Tamara, that Shannon's holding on to this.

28:15Ben Mandelker: If anything, Tamara was, like, trying to support her. because when you look at Tamara Judge, you think, oh my God, like what a supportive person. And I definitely think that like Shannon is like creating a mole out of a mountain. She took a mountain and she shaped the mountain into a mole and then she put the mole on a hill and it's like a mountain hill out of a mole. You know, I think she's doing that wrong.

28:37Ronnie Karam: Gina, you can't even do the old mole hill shtick. It's just so sad. It's just so sad. It's like, yeah, She can't even do the mountain out of a molehill. Like, I'm worried for her. I'm worried for Shannon. I'm worried. Avocado's on a molehill once. So, back in the other room, Emily's like, well, you know what? I think that with her, you're just not allowed to have an opinion. Okay? You're not in that position. She goes, yeah, Gina said that. Gina said that, too. You know, she's just going to be pissed no matter what. Okay. We just need to hang one of those signs up that says, blank days since incident.

29:14Ronnie Karam: And at this point, we would just say zero.

29:19Ben Mandelker: We could also say blank day since someone pulled a turkey out of their pocket. And look, turkey sandwich. Zero.

29:30Ronnie Karam: Well, did you guys have fun on your trip? And Heather's like, we went to the Abbey. It's a homosexual place. Very cool among the youths. The youths.

29:42Ben Mandelker: lots of homosexuals we listened to chapelle roanne and she was lovely and hilarious i am such a stanley and they're like oh wow that's fun well gretchen's just lose lips when she drinks a lot of fireball

29:58Ronnie Karam: what do you mean what's that supposed to mean lose lips what's that supposed to mean why are you bringing up my hot school nickname no i mean she talks a lot she started telling us that you recorded a song Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I was in the recording studio, but it was in the house, you know, like a house. And we were hanging out. We were in the house. We were drinking. And it was right after I separated from Simon and then just started dating Eddie. I was like, oh, that's interesting how she's, like, making sure the timeline is that she was between relationships. So I wonder if this was true.

30:31Ronnie Karam: Because she was like, oh, yeah, I remember that. I was separated and maybe just met Eddie one time on a thing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

30:43Ronnie Karam: That was 15 years ago. So what? What about it? And Jen's like, you have a pop song, Tamara? Oh my God. I need a pop song too. I need a pop song. Yeah, we were just joking around. I'm going to write a pop song called Thank You So Much. Thank you.

30:58Ben Mandelker: I'm going to have a pop song called Collateral Damage. It'll just be my daughter crying on the track.

31:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we were just messing around. We were just messing around. We were just messing around. Yeah. Yeah, just singing songs, you know. I don't know how, I don't know who would have gotten it, but like, I don't know, maybe it was someone who was six degrees of Kevin Bacon away or maybe 98 degrees away. Who knows? But they wouldn't, I don't know how they would have gotten it. I don't even have it.

31:25Ronnie Karam: So she says that she was confronted by somebody from a boy band that lived in her neighborhood. Confronted by, next on 48 Hours,

31:35Ben Mandelker: confronted by a boy band member starring Tamra Judge.

31:39Ronnie Karam: And I thought, I'll give it my all. Well, it wasn't good at all. So I'm like, nope, I'm not embarrassing myself. Maybe you should just do it alone. I'm used to embarrassing myself with my speaking voice. Sorry.

31:51Ben Mandelker: Oh, my God. Well, then she says that, like, Slade has a copy. He has a copy. Well, of course he does. Yeah, so then he proceeded to say that you had an affair. Had an affair with both brothers of Nelson while B.B. backwashed. What? What? I can't believe that.

32:09Ronnie Karam: What the fuck? What the fuck? So in the other room, Emily is like, Oh no, sorry, still the same room. In the recording studio, you recorded a song, but then you and him had sex, and it ended up being on this recording, and Slade has a copy of the recording. She goes, Oh, bring it. I'd love to hear it. I'd love to hear it.

32:31Ben Mandelker: I feel like the more normal response would be like, that doesn't even make sense. it's like the strangest rumor like they had i mean the last well actually it's not that strange because it did happen to jacks taylor but that's also jacks taylor so tamar's like well you gotta give her credit he decided to try to make me look bad she's just so obsessed with my life and what i have and what she doesn't have that she just wants to tear me down so jen's like well i have gotten no gretchen last thing she ever wants to do is talk about tamar she's always like please I don't want to talk about Tamra and then she talks about Tamra so I don't know if Emily's being a girl's girl or stirring the pot a little bit well my understanding from Slade is that first

33:13Ronnie Karam: of all he was more than happy to share information about Tamra and you know the way that Gretchen kept saying we get stuff about Tamra all the time it's unsolicited we don't ask for it but people send us stuff about Tamra all the time and Jen's like yeah yeah she tells me that she does she says they don't have anything to do with it. It just comes to them. So I don't know. Who do I believe?

33:34Ben Mandelker: Here's the thing. Oh, wait, let me rephrase that. Here's the turkey sandwich just came out of my pocket. I think it's really fucking hypocritical for her to have been for the past month or two to be on your case, Tamara, all the time talking about how Tamara's a horrible person. She brings up all this stuff that you brought up, Gretchen having an affair or whatever, and that whole thing. And she had to go to court and she had to defend it. She had to do all those things. Remember, remember remember flashback to all that and then tamra's like yeah and then there's pictures of her on the internet making out with him yeah so basically they're saying like it's ridiculous that gretchen's coming for tamra about all this stuff but gretchen's doing the exact same thing

34:13Ronnie Karam: all right so then um we see the bass lake staff for the 2009 reunion was was he a bass lake with you well he came for a date with a whole group of friends oh he was a bass lake too imagine that That just happened to be a bad slag. Well, he knows it. Well, you know, Jeff knows him as a family friend. Oh, now he's a family friend. I thought he was a stalker. Which is it?

34:42Which is it, bitch?

34:45Ben Mandelker: My point is, Heather and I aren't even asking her shit about Tamara. And then she tells us all about this unsolicited stuff. And they get in and they hold on to what that has to do with Tamara. in my mind i'm thinking you're no different than what you've accused her of being the student has become the master the turkey has become the sandwich the salad has become the tuna i wish

35:08Ronnie Karam: i had a delorean me too to the week they cast your ass please deborian that's what she drives seriously so i thought this was interesting tamra's like um yeah they were in a relationship Things went down. She got caught. And now she's worried about her image. So then she started saying bad things about him, which caused him to sue her. And then she sued him. So it was a clusterfuck of suing because they used to be fucking. Is that my fault? Is that my fault?

35:43Ronnie Karam: Tamara. So she's like, I don't have anything to hide. I don't care. But it proves my point. And the reason why I never wanted to be around her for the past 12 years. So Gretchen, so now they go into the room, right?

35:58Ben Mandelker: I thought Tamarotti did her shooting. I guess she's doing more shooting now.

36:02Ronnie Karam: No, Gretchen and her ladies walk into the firing room, and then I think the other ones go to the other room. Like they switch rooms, right, to get the other lessons. So, wait, is that right?

36:12Ben Mandelker: I don't know. They're just shooting more guns. And now Gretchen's saying how she gets nervous when she shoots guns, and they're just shooting guns. Okay, so Tamara basically gets the award for being the best gun shooter. And they give her an award. And she's like, oh my God, I got a butt plug. And she got a Kubotan, not a butt plug. And now it's time for them to sit down and enjoy some fireball. You know what I love? I love free booze at a firing range. I feel like that always works out really well.

36:44Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't think anyone's drinking it except Gretchen, right? Doesn't she just pull it out of her purse and start drinking it?

36:52Ben Mandelker: Well, she just says that they have champagne and Fireball at the table.

36:57Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay, okay. I thought it was like, damn, Gretchen pulling some Fireball out of her purse. Like, she got addicted pretty quick there.

37:07Ronnie Karam: Gretchen, don't get your ponytail on the food. So, yeah, she's drinking Fireball, and Emily's like, Gretchen, are you drinking Fireball? oh yeah i heard fireball makes you talk a lot of shit gretchen she goes um yeah it does unfortunately gretchen knows what's coming you know she's like so what's your problem i don't have a problem so tamra then gets up she's basically like reenacting her scene with

37:33Ben Mandelker: alexis bellino at the cut fist the cut fitness preview she's like well clearly you have a problem because i heard what went down and gretchen see gretchen should have said oh yeah it was you on that boy band member. But she didn't do that. Instead, she's like, you know, it's annoying to me that Emily immediately went running to Tamara and, oh, Gretchen was doing this and Gretchen was doing that. Like, come on. You're just as much a part of it than I was. No. No. No.

37:59Ronnie Karam: No. No. No liar. No. No, you fucking compulsive liar. So she's like, so what do you hear? And Tamara's like, oh, I'm not about your manipulation. And she goes, well, what did they tell you? And so Emily's like, oh, I'll just say So when we were in LA, oh, it started out silly. It was like, we're talking about the Pussycat Dolls. We're talking about her single. And then I said, Tamara tried to sing a song. Wait a minute. You tried to sing a song. Oh, my God.

38:32Ben Mandelker: Oh, my God. Like, this is, like, very fascinating to me. And I'm, like, locked the fuck in. And it's like, yes, we were having a girls' night having fun. We were having what is it called the circle thing pizza and we were just having girls girls time and then we're like Let's hear this song could it possibly sound as good as me in the groundlings musical and it was silly It was like oh she tried to do a song No one was taking it seriously. It wasn't like she was on Malibu country or hot in Cleveland We're getting advice from Betty White or having a better career than Wendy Malick He was just fun

39:12Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah and then it turned into I'm fucking Nelson And I was having an affair and you hear moaning in the background And all that shit come on get to the store Heather Jesus Christ And Gretchen's like that's not what I said Well Slade said that part Slade said that Yeah and if Slade said something stupid That's on him Oh yeah of course Slade said something stupid This is the shit you've been doing to me For 12 fucking years And I've had it I fucking had it

39:41Ben Mandelker: she tamra sees it sees an it like she she can see that she can she can make herself like the epic victim here and so she's just gonna literally run with it because she like runs out and tamra's like he has to be ready on speed which by the way gretchen's saying like i can't control it if slade says something that's on him it's like yeah but he didn't even have to be part of the conversation in the first place you literally brought this shit up you called him to do it you

40:07Ronnie Karam: know what you two are doing we're not stupid well we're not as stupid as you so heather's like um hello you brought up the song in the first place gretchen and emily's like i'm so tired of gretchen putting herself on a pedestal i mean she's so self-righteous and everybody else is wrong by the way we still want to hear the song

40:26Ben Mandelker: someone's like i don't think it's a fair statement because we were out and we're having fun and it first came up as like a song. Gretchen's like, it was silly. It was silly. Let me finish. Well, you guys were saying like, why was she singing a song? And I said, because she was like working with Nelson on some song. You know, that's all it was.

40:45Ronnie Karam: Wow, Gretchen. Not Gretchen lying again, huh? I can't believe Gretchen's lying. This is crazy. So Emily's like, you said more than that. And so we see the clip of Emily saying, when did Tamara go to a studio? and Gretchen's saying, when she fucked Nelson, was she married? Oh, that would be bad. That would be bad.

41:12Ben Mandelker: So Tam is like, enough. Enough is enough. Jen's like, you know, through the years, you've been saying just as much as she says, Gretchen. And Gretchen's like, yeah, but I'm always responding to things that you said and I said to you girls that night, like I'm so mad at myself for even saying something and like I get sent stuff all the time. And then you just said like all these people reach out to you and I kept my mouth shut forever and I fucked up the other night. I just fucked up. And Tamara's like, oh yeah, you really kept your mouth shut, didn't you? Yeah, sure.

41:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah, yeah, I did about all the shit I know about you. Fuck yeah, I did. I kept my mouth shut. And so Heather just puts bread in her mouth. I mean, you know Heather's stressing if she's eating a carb. On TV. On TV. And Tamara's like, what do you know about me, bitch? She's like, oh yeah, I know a lot. you trust me oh yeah what do you know about me you want me to talk go ahead and talk because it's gonna be ugly for you so then the producer is like well what else do you know about her that she doesn't want known next question so then tamar's like here's the thing that's the thing

42:14Ben Mandelker: she's the one that tries to destroy people's lives like the time when i caught what we went on the reunion and i said she's been cheating on jeff god the way she tried to destroy my life when I said that to her.

42:27Ronnie Karam: And Gretchen's like, yeah, okay, let's go with I ruin people's lives. You're the one that's been sued for your lies about trampoline parks and the person that you tried to get in a lie with about me, I sued and I won. So you can fuck right off on that. Oh, the guy you were fucking? The guy you were fucking? See, there you go. There's pictures of you making out cameras with fine grade up your fucking vaginas all over the internet. Remember that?

42:56Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, remember, you remember the one that I took to court and grieved everything? She's like, oh, fuck off. So these two, I mean, I have this argument. It's just so hilarious. They're so ridiculous. They are.

43:07Ronnie Karam: Tamara gets right in her face and gives her both middle fingers. And she's like.

43:17Ronnie Karam: She's been doing this to me. She's been doing this to me. She's been doing this to me. Why did you have to talk about it in all? Why? Gina, you're right. I should not have opened my mouth. Yeah, she was like, she wasn't that shit talking about you. I mean, she was talking about how Shannon's father's alcoholic. Alcoholic. Just again, if I whisper it.

43:40Ben Mandelker: It's not fucking funny anymore. It's not.

43:43Ronnie Karam: It's just so juvenile. And Tamara runs out. And she, you know, running and screaming and having a fit. And she's like, I'm done. I'm done with this shit. I'm so done with it. now look here's my thing about these rumors with tamra i believe them because of how uh tamra's been acting but also we know that when tamra is wrong and she's caught she runs the hell away she does it every single time we've got multiple instances of her doing this so i think you're guilty but then that said it's also a zillion years ago and i don't care if you fuck the boy band guy i say if you've got a boy band neighbor who wants to fuck you you It's your duty as an American to fuck the boy band guy.

44:26Ben Mandelker: Okay? Yeah, I think so. I think you got to take that shot. You need to do it for the story. And I think if someone's like, but you were in the early, but wait, she was already in the early stages of cheating on Simon with Eddie. I say, just like, you know, just say, hey, it was a wild time. It was a different time in my life. Sorry, guys.

44:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. I'm not talking about shit from 15 years ago. Just do that. Just say that. All right, everybody. Well, this was a fun time. Thank you for being with us for this very special two part. We will be back Monday with some Real Housewives of Miami and a surprise on Patreon next week or maybe on the main feed. I don't know. Wherever. We're going to do something fun and special next week. But if you do want our Great British Bake Off cast roast, go check that out on Patreon. It's also where you find these videos, which we do every day. Okay. We will talk to you guys next time. Have a good one.

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