#3068 RHOC S19E18 Part One: Behind the Candelabra

0:22Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crabbends, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk come out on your bravs i'm ronnie that is the gorgeous and talented ben mandelker across from me by side by side from me hello ben hello hi how are you doing good having a great old time over here i've got a family in here of the cutest little family wow um hannah and her family are staying here so i have and her husband her mother so i've got a whole family in here i've got a little five-year-old running around jumping all over me taught her how to make cookies how to play a Nintendo switch. I saw that picture.

0:59We were having so much fun. Yeah. I'm going to be so sad when they leave. I'm going to be family-less again. I'm going to be alone, alone again, but it's been so fun. I've been having a lovely family time. How's it been going over there with you? Um, so much fun. I've been, I built a chair from scratch. Like I, no, not from scratch. Like I assembled one that came from Amazon, but I built it and it's the wrong color for me. And now I'm like, uh, you know, like when you assemble a piece of furniture and then like, it doesn't fit like now the process of getting furniture out of like what now I've got to figure out how to get this out, out back, back to another land.

1:41So, um, that's like, what's plaguing me this morning. So the point is that nothing is new as me. Actually, that's nothing. Nothing's happening over here. I have a chair report. Well, we are going to BravoCon next week. That's noon. That's going to be fun for us. We are going to make a pilgrimage. We will be moderating the NextGen NYC panel, which is going to be the very last panel of the whole thing. Oh, I removed Ben, or maybe Ben removed himself. Anyway, we're going to moderate the NextGen NYC panel the last day. We are going to have a meetup at some point. It'll be free for everybody to just come say hey to meet some of you guys.

2:16We're not sure of the date yet, but we should know. Hopefully by the beginning of the week. So just keep an eye on our Instagram at Watch What Craven's on Guy. And then Monday night, we will be here doing Amazon Live. That will be on Amazon Live. That's where you can watch it. You can watch it on your phone. You can watch it on your TV, whatever. You also get links over at our Instagram link in bio. So check that out. And today it is Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion Part One for season 19. What say you? What are your general thoughts about this here reunion? Okay, general thoughts. First, I love that we just got right into the reunion.

2:52We did not have to see people arrive, people in glam, Andy visiting each room. I love that we just started. I love that. Second of all, is it me? Did this reunion look kind of shitty? It looked absolute dog shit. It looked like dog shit. Dog shit. Embarrassing. Embarrassing. What was the set supposed to be? Embarrassing. The set was terrible. I think it looked like maybe it was supposed to be New Orleans. It was terrible. I don't know. Andy didn't even do a shout out to the set. It just was like, everything looked flat. All the light was flat. All their hair looked like matte and dry. Like there was no gloss.

3:29There was no shine. The light, all their, the color scheme, they're all wearing this like maroon or pink. It just was like - Why would you pick maroon? You can't pull off maroon. You're a bunch of blonde white ladies. If you're going to do maroon, yeah, it was like not, it wasn't giving what it was supposed to. Maybe it's some sort of like reference to like a weird New Orleans element. I don't know, but it was like the color scheme didn't work. The lighting was flat. Everyone's hair looked dry. And I think that was a lighting effect. Like it didn't look sumptuous. Well, it's also reality slipping into TV because their hair is dry.

4:06This is Orange County, okay? I mean, they've never met a hot oil treatment that they didn't ignore in that place, apparently. what what happened to their like panoramic led screen that they had for like the past few years where they were like out in the middle of the ocean that looked great for this cast but this was just like oh like everything every now and then they just mess up the way a reunion looks and this one i just i actually had times i was watching and i was like i don't want to physically look at this anymore yeah the lighting was too bright and also the coloring of the people was wrong.

4:40Everybody was really orange. And I guess part of it spray tan, but Shannon, except for Heather, Shannon was wearing like a weird, like reverse Kabuki mask where she was completely one color all the way up right below her hairline. And then with stark white, she looked crazy. Even Katie, who's the most beautiful hand down, looked a little crazy in the lighting. Everybody looked, Emily, Emily, stop it. Whatever you're doing, stop it. You're a beautiful lady. Just Just stop it. At this point, it's self-harm. You know, it goes to a point where it's like you're hurting yourself. Just stop it. You're so beautiful.

5:16What are you doing? You know, you can't even move your face right. You're blinking wrong. You know, words are coming out of your ears and, you know, teeth are falling out of your mouth. Just stop it. One eye's bigger. Just stop. Whatever you're doing to yourself, just leave yourself alone. It's self-harm. Okay? My only real note for Emily, I actually thought by and large she looked fine. My only real note was it seemed like they had added so much hair to her. like she had more hair than usual and i felt like i just felt like it was like weighing her down she it was just like a big pile of hair every time they cut her i was like oh my god there's so much hair and the light was hanging in a way where it just looked it just looked like a bunch of big dry hair yeah i was like no and we're not you know we're in california so we're like fire danger you know you see things like that and you're like you better clean it up you're gonna get a ticket from the city and this isn't even like like oh let's make fun of how the women look It's not even that.

6:06This is a styling issue. These are the women we all know and love, and they deserve better. Okay? They deserve to be treated well. It looks like they just threw them up there without anybody working on them. And we even saw some of the stylists. And I was like, what are you proud about? How are you even showing your face on camera right now? All of you. Shame. Yeah. Well, it's Orange County stylists. Andy looked good, actually. Andy looked good. but I think that overall this entire reunion was a real dog visually, and that's on the production team my second thing beyond the production of how it looked and stuff is the energy level was real weird, everybody was just like super low energy and like whatever Tamara's just like whatever, yell at me I'll just tell Shannon to shut up no one was really there or present and the whole having Gretchen come on and everybody just kiss Gretchen's ass Like, did no one else watch the last episode?

7:00Like, what is going on? What is happening? Like, I didn't understand what was happening or how people came in with the personalities they came in. Why people are mad at Katie and not mad at fucking Gretchen, who's sitting there. Or Tamara, who just got the whole blog leaking thing out. I was just very confused. Well, they don't know about that. They don't know about the blog leaking thing. They said, I think it was teased that they're going to reveal that. You're right. But the Gretchen stuff was there. I actually didn't really mind the energy. So I need some kind of, I need like, let's not kiss Gretchen's ass the whole time.

7:35Well, it also just goes to show how transparent they kind of all are about that stuff. Because I thought, and I was really surprised that Heather was actually like quite friendly towards Gretchen and was helping her out with some answers. That was a surprise to me. I think we'll probably get more insight into what's going on with their relationship in a future episode. but the energy was low but I think that's because Tamara set the tone because she's like I'm in therapy and she's just like she's trying to be calm I was by the way also surprised that Jen got first seat I honestly think as much as I can't really stand her this season Emily should have been first seat on that sofa because I felt like really so much of this season was about Emily when you talk about oh my god this season's not good like everyone goes oh well yeah Emily is this Emily's that it feels like Emily was really driving this season whether we like it or not.

8:25And she should have been first. Like, I think the only reason why they put Jen in first chair is because I think sometimes they like people if they have a beef to be able to fight across the sofa, like eye to eye. So I think because Tamara's first, they had to put Jen first. But like Jen did not, Jen did not earn first seat at this, for this season. No, you know, and I'm wondering sometimes what they're doing with first seat now, if they're trying to make it less important and just like, well, everybody's, you know, someone's going to get it, you know, because there have been a first few seat choices that have been odd this year.

8:56So, yeah, who knows? But here we go. Real Housewives of Orange County. We start with Tamara coming in and she's like, I've been on this show 15 fucking years. I'm just tired. I'm tired of it. And then we see a flashback to Jen and Gina and Shannon finding out that Tamara has leased the season to bloggers. Bloggers. And then flash forward to Tamara. Now she's outside going, that's not proof. And then we go to the final episode where someone's like, she does do a lot of talking. It's Chris Samuels. Chris Samuels is the leak. And then we flash forward. Then we're forward again. And Tam is like, there's nothing in writing.

9:37Bonus, bonus sob. Yeah, but nothing this season has anything in writing. There's no writing in proof. There's no proof in writing. So since when does that matter to you people? Like you can't start that now in the reunion episode. Suddenly we have to have written proof. Oh, OK. So and look, I know that everybody loves Katie. I actually like Katie, too. I think people are going a little overboard in their defense of Katie because of how much all the other women suck, because Katie is also still full of shit. And Katie reminds us that she is still 80 percent full of shit when she comes back on here.

10:12Or, you know, I don't know if it's just that she's 80 percent full of shit or if everybody has just agreed we're not backing her up on any little thing. So it just looks like she's lying. I'm not even sure at this point, but she didn't bring a ton of energy either. So I'm not really jumping on that bandwagon either. I mean, Katie is not known for her energy, I would say, but yeah, I'm the, yeah, I think like, I think we all know Katie is slippery with the truth for sure, but we are so offended by the way the entire cast discarded her when other people on the cast are equally slippery that it just feels so rude that we just have to rally behind her.

10:48And also she's so pretty. We're like, well, I mean, how could they discard someone so pretty from Orange County? That's so rude. They're just such hypocrites too, you know, but I guess that's the name of the game this season. So let's do it. Bring it on. So then we also see, we're still seeing these flash forwards and flashbacks. And the next flash forward is Tamara now, of course, having her classic hyperventilating in the back room. And Katie's like, okay, just go home. Decompress the day. Let Eddie, you know, win you over with a sparkling personality. just relax a little bit. This is not what this show is about.

11:25This is not what this show is about. This show is about me ripping other people to stress. Nothing ripping me to stress. Come on, guys. So she's crying her big crocodile tears. And tonight is the three-part Real Outlines of Warner County Reunion. I'm Andy Cohen. I have children. I just have to say one thing because I wasn't sure if this was a preview of what's to come or if this was a little flash of we're getting the reunion ready. But in case it never shows up for the next two episodes, I have to say they had this one shot of Heather sitting down on the sofa and she's like, this is neither my slip side nor my nose side.

12:09She was so mad about being on that side of the set. Yeah, they were like, that's where we had room. Just sit down in fancy pants. This is the wrong side for my slit and my nose. So we see the ladies getting into glam. Katie has brought a basket of vodka and bagels. That's pretty funny. Tamara is showing her nipple covers like, this is the neck. This is it. And then we go to Gina looking in the mirror, which, I mean, that was the biggest shock that she's been given one. Gina's been given a lot of credit for her outfit. I don't think this was one of Gina's worst, but she did look like a napkin fold over her boobs.

12:48I'm not sure what that was about. I was like, are you filing your boobs? Are you? What's that? Who made this outfit and why? Why would they do that? What does it represent? I liked when she looked in the mirror and she goes, who is that girl I see staring straight back at me? Why is my reflection someone I don't know? I feel bad for my reflection. Oh, my God. Why is my reflection putting up a sheet in the middle of the mirror to make the mirror big enough for a whole family? You know in horror movies when someone stares in the mirror and then the thing in the mirror comes out and grabs them by the neck?

13:25Yeah. This is the first time we actually saw the reflection be like, hi. It's like, here's a towel. Please put it over your outfit. Please. Reflection's like, I'm here, me. Here's a towel to help out. We both look better. Yeah, so we see some flash-forwards of what's coming in the reunion, which I think we can probably skip. Because guess why? We're going to see it over the next three episodes. And I already kind of flash-forward glimpse. And I accidentally said some of it already with Heather. So, okay, five, four, three, two, one. Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Real Housewives of Orange County Season 19 reunion.

14:03I'm Andy Cohen presiding over a time honored ceremony that'll be equal parts solemn and revealing like getting married in a white bikini ha ha no one wants to Jen you're not even laughing at that joke I love that he said that he's like he gives a Jen line and then it cuts to Jen and she's like um who got married in a white bikini who did that that sounds so fun solemn I wish I could have come to that wedding that would have been great Thank you so much I was just invited, thank you so much Okay, hi Shannon Storms Badur, how are you? Oh Andy, I am good I'm just here in this red Which I'm not very comfortable with If I'm not dressed in black or yellow I don't really know what to do with myself So I'm just going to spiral here in the corner Thank you very much I'm just hoping a lovely bald man with a giant mansion Will come adopt me and give me a life That Adelaide would be envious Tomorrow, tomorrow why is she dressed like little orphan Annie?

15:02Why? Little orphan Shanny. Why is she dressed like that? There's just so much confusing about this whole reunion. Why is Shannon dressing like a 12-year-old girl in like Southern Cotillion? Like who's dressing Shannon and when are they going to help her? There's just so much that needs to be addressed. Okay, so she's fine. She spent a week at the Golden Door. So she's feeling very zen. Okay. Yeah, very zen. Heather. Heather Dubrow, nice to see you. You said you wanted to be a Beverly Hills housewife because the drive was shorter until Kyle Richards said, who? No. Is Reba available? How was the drive tonight?

15:41And she's like, it was seven minutes, Andy. Which is weird because doesn't she say she lives in Beverly Hills? Is that that close to Culver City? No, their apartment is in Century City in one of those high rises. So all you have to do is take motor Take motor on down Into Culver City and you've arrived at Sony Studios And let me tell you something That is probably about a 7 minute drive So you know The first time that it was actually easy to get to Culver City Congratulations to you bro You did it So she had a short drive By the way that explains everything That's why this reunion looks so shitty It was filmed in Culver City Ah okay we cracked the code Okay hi Hey, Emily, what's different?

16:27Everything. Everything is fucking different. At this point, you're going to have to tap her forehead to snooze the alarm button. Everything is different. I'll bet. That's hilarious. Tap her. What even is she? She's a machine now. She's like, thank you. I'm a Sony dream machine. Yeah, I got my shit together after we finished filming. You know, I was feeling a little heavy. So I just kept saying Susan Bender over in my mind over and over again. We came right off. Bitch with the jeans. ah oh you know i wasn't taking care of myself so i just got myself together yeah you look like you lost weight yeah i probably lost 25 to 30 pounds but i gained it all back again oh really well just in the hair there's really a lot of hair on me tonight um okay well uh did you lose weight so you talk about weight and um you know like is she working out again blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you know i'm so sick of talking about weight i'm sick of talking about it i'm sick of hearing it you've been on a no carb thing then we went on jeff yesterday all he talked about was weight and this and that and all everyone who works for him is talking about weight all the time and i'm the only chubby one sitting over here like listen let's stop me of all people who's talked about weight every day of his life is finally sick of it i'm finally sick of it i've had it this was it was all it was all a giant ploy to get you sick of it.

17:51While it worked, you guys did it. Emily, I don't care, okay? I don't care about your workout program, you know, but good for you. I don't care, but good for you. Shut up about it. How is the assisted living real estate business going? Oh my God, it's going really well. Yeah, I just sold like a, I sold an efficiency over in Costa Mesa the other day. It was so good. Yeah, you know, it's a lot of work, but, like, it feels so good to sleep again. Because it's, like, all about sleeping. I love sleeping. Sleep, sleep. Sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

18:41All right. Okay. That's good. I feel like I just slept five miles listening to you talk. Okay, Katie. Hi, Katie. It's great to see you again.

18:54She talked a bunch. She ruined my life. She ruined my children's life. I will never talk to you again. I am done with you. Done. We missed you for the back half of the season, and you're here with the group again. I wonder, how are you feeling about being back with the group? Do you have any intentions for the day? I love when Andy acts like he's at the golden door. He's like, guys, what are our intentions? Your intentions are for people to fight their asses off. Okay, that's what your intentions are. What do I have to tell you? But, you know, you have to pretend you're there to make up with people.

19:26So he's just gaslighting. So she's like, well, I feel like I need to make up for some lost time, Andy, because some things didn't get said. And I'm just happy to be here. Thank you so much. yeah i just need to make up for some lost time because so much happened on the season after i left just kidding the season kind of crescendoed after i left so i guess we're all caught up now great jen did ryan sexualize you on your way here it's like yeah touch my boobs um he touched my my chin a lot he put his penis um up my nostrils so that was fun never tried that one wow i just worry maybe he's not here for the right reasons am i right thank you andy thank you so much for asking.

20:09All right. Well, Tamara, that was great. Thanks, Jen. Finally, Tamara, you recently had your 24th breast surgery. Is that true? Yeah, it's true. I had reconstructive surgery because my pectoral muscle was attached to my face. And I was like, well, as long as you're in there, can you add a third boob? And I did, bitch. Three boob, Tamara. She said pectoral. She's like, yeah. You know how it is? Another wound and another pair of rock. Yeah, what are you going to do? Give me some boobies. I love it. It's like how many times I wish we had a montage of Andy just doing reunion questions. Hey, Tamara, you got a new rack.

20:42Hey, Tamara, are those new boobs? Tell me about your new boobs. It's every season. Why are we acting like this is a new thing? They're going up and down and up and down. They need to just make those things screw on and screw off at this point. So you could just change them out at will. That's very hurtful. You know how they do your boobs? That's a great idea. They like go under all your muscles and shit. That's not an easy thing. You would think watching this for 19 years that it would be an easy thing, but it is not an easy thing. It should just be like a door, you know? So yeah, she basically is like, while you're fixing that, that my, my muscle can you do a little something with the boobs?

21:18That's what everyone says to plastic surgeons while you're there. Let me from the top. They always say plastic surgeons be like, name it to fix something. because while you're in there, Alfredo, don't stand there. Sorry. Sorry, I was looking for something in my purse. I've been schlepping. I've been schlepping. If you ever step on my joke again, Gina, it will cost you a lot. That's not correct.

21:55Well, I'll take a laugh wherever I can get it. Thank you. Thank you. It's the only way to get Heather to shut up in a monologue. So Tamara's like, by the way, I'm going to be quitting today. Remember when I quit, everybody? It's a wonder. I'm a classic. I'm a classic. And she's like, what's the day of song, right, Andy? She's trying to make Andy ask her this question. Are you going to quit today, Tamara? Which she doesn't. So she just makes it on her own. And Heather's like, let's not make big statements. like Terry gets in the mail after I go shopping with my American Express.

22:32There we go. Back on track. Thank you. Thank you.

22:38So Tamara's happy because Teddy's doing really well. She, her tumors are like, they like went away, which is. By the way. I mean, that's wild. Another question she wasn't asked. I love that she's trying to make this like whole big Tamara segment, but Andy's not asking her any of these questions. So she's like, yeah, Andy, great. Cut the teddy. No one asked, but yes, she's great. Love Teddy. Teddy's doing so good. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Who cares? Who even is Teddy? Wow, that's amazing. So Teddy is all healed up. So let's follow it up with some more important news. Hey, you went to Alexis Bolino's wedding.

23:14How was that? You said it was one of the most beautiful weddings you ever attended. Tell me all about it. Oh, okay. I guess we'll just move on from Teddy no longer having cancer to talk about Alexis's Mason Jowett. Okay, yeah, it was beautiful. I feel so weird talking about it in front of Shannon. Sorry, Shannon, no disrespect to you. A person who's never invited to weddings because it's stupid. And I wouldn't like you. No, no, no, no. I'm a mature woman and I saw the pictures. It was beautiful. And the flower arrangements, I mean, that must have cost, I don't know, maybe like$75 ,000. Oh, I don't know.

23:46How much does that cost? Did I have my names in the centerpieces since I basically paid for it? It was stunning, Andy. She's stunning. He's like, nice. Jen, were you invited? There was some drama. And Emma's like, she was uninvited. Jen's like, yeah, well. Just like Katie should be to everything. Hold on, hold on. Let me answer. Please let me answer. I was invited, but then I was uninvited. Fine. Go ahead. No, I said fine. You said, let me answer. I said fine. Ryan sounded like a cascade of, ah, was about to come out of you. So just wanted to make sure you had your chance to speak. Just answer the question, Jen.

24:30But when she got married, I texted her back and she said, why are you sending me a penis? And I said, Brian, why are you texting Alexa? Sorry, but I did want to talk to you anyway and say your wedding looked beautiful. And Ryan Spalsack even loved it. It was great. Really, really good. And then she said, I wish there was a world where we could be together. Are you free? Can you and Ryan come? And I said, well, I think I just got re-invited to the wedding. I mean, Alexis, I wish there was a world where you could be re-invited. Yeah, there is a world. It's called, you should have invited her in the first place.

25:01I mean, come on. She's acting like she is, like there's some sort of authority that's looking down at her and banning her from inviting her. It was your choice. I just wish I could. You did it to yourself. I wish there was a world we could be together. So why did she get uninvited in the first place? It's because she's just such a good friend to Shannon. And Alexis heard that she was just such a good friend to Shannon. And it didn't feel right for Alexis. So she uninvited her, you know. And now in the morning, she eats her chia seeds in a mason jar that she had to buy herself. Andy wasn't free from a wedding.

25:32Wasn't holding fire. I was in a wedding. I actually supplied my own chia cup now. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Tamara, you joke about quitting today, but do you have any intentions for the day? Tracy, if you had just waited, I would have made a joke about you quitting. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, can I get to the season? I was emotionally in like a really difficult spot. Oh, really? Are you still going to therapy? That was a rhetorical question. Of course you are, because it's all you talk about. Yeah, because I was there Monday at therapy, and I was just like, trying not to get reactive when I get upset, but I get upset so much because I get a therapy.

26:07Now I'm in therapy. Do you know that? I'm in therapy. I go to therapy all the time. Sometimes I'm next. You want to have nice? Yeah, I'm going to have therapy. So I got a therapy I just got out of therapy I'm on the phone right now with my therapist I'm a good person She said I'm a good person everybody I love therapy, therapy's great You've not been to therapy, you've been to therapy two times I went to Subway and they asked No, that's wrong I went to Subway, they asked if I want 6 inch or 12 inch I said how about an hour long Because that's how long my therapy sessions are They gave it to me Because I'm in therapy I love therapy It's my new favorite thing to do therapy's so great he's like uh okay well good to see you doing well maybe I'll go to therapy and then well I did think that somehow you were gonna have a different approach to conflict this season based on the therapy what you didn't think I was coming this season than any other he's like uh let's roll the package and we just cut to her thank you Gretchen

27:15and then quitting and then we cut back and she's like okay well i guess some people just don't understand and juna's like well i feel like some things with therapy things get worse before they get better that's what we've been saying ever since you came on the show the show's getting worse before it gets better. So she's like, because, like, you open stuff up and you're like, and then you're, like, not a changed person. Yeah, yeah, that's totally true. And Jen's like, yeah, but, like, you want to make a change for adults. Just, like, make the change. You know what? I know. But, like, then you also have to understand that, like, when I was going through therapy, I was, like, on a good track.

27:58And then, like, two weeks into filming with everything that was going on, Teddy, Teddy, it's a rag, You don't understand. I don't understand. It's like, no, I mean, I understand. It's very scary and sad, but like. I've sat through so much faux Bravo therapy that I just, I can't with your therapy storyline. Seen it. It doesn't work, Jax. Okay. It doesn't fucking work. So Jenna's like, well, it's just, it's just so hard. And I was, I was probably inappropriate for me to say, but I didn't get the grace that you're asking everyone else for. The grace that I had given you. You. You got the grace. Where was my grace?

28:39What? I have not. No, I have not asked anybody for some grace. Give me some grace about that for once. So Jen's like, well, it just feels like we're all assholes if we want to move forward in conversations that are tough with you because now you're going through the hardest time in your life. And she's saying she didn't feel like that, that she got that when she was going through the hardest time in my life. Yes, I was. I was going through the hardest time in my life. I mean, there to be the victim of Archie's drunk driving and being an innocent spectator in the backseat. It was terrible for me.

29:05Okay, Charlie, whatever. No, we don't need to go. We don't need to go back. We don't need to go back. She just went back there. She just went back there. I am bringing up to you. He's not going to go back, but yeah, you're hanging out with your mom in the 50s then. Why? Why is it called Back to the Future? To be fair, that movie was in 1985, and they said that by the time we got to 2020, that where we were going, we wouldn't be needing Rose. And if that were true, wouldn't it be an indecisive in the first place? Am I right? I'm just bringing up to you the frustration that I felt listening to all of this.

29:37Oh, yeah. I know. I've seen it all season. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I tried very hard for you. I tried so hard. Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. Oh, sure. You've seen it all season, Tamara. Tamara Drudge. I don't think you have. I don't think you have. Because you know what? I'm apparently, I'm the grudge holder. You're, wait a second. You're Tamara Grudge. Not Judge. Grudge. You have all the grudges. You can't forget anything. Excuse me. I did not make a joke right then. Someone please tell the audience to be quiet. This is because we're on the wrong side for my slip. Wrong slip side. Yes, Tamara Grudge. Okay. And Emily's like, that was a good one.

30:19Did you say Tamara Grudge? Yeah, I said Tamara Grudge.

30:28Here's one. How about Shannon be more funny in the future? Who did that?

30:40Someone fix the strings in Alfredo's drum. Well, Alexis Bellino said on a podcast a few weeks ago that she thought Shannon was trying to ice Tamar out or get Tamar off the show. And Tamar said, oh, 100%. Even my therapist was told, give me the Tamar. She's a dumb bitch. You tried to come into my therapy. Okay, because like that's what Alexis feels Shannon told her. Well, I don't even plan what I'm wearing before I film. Okay, I don't even do that. Well, she still doesn't know what she's wearing today. I said she still doesn't know what she's wearing. She's, okay, so the joke is Shannon's dressed very poorly and she's very frazzled.

31:22So when you say she still doesn't know what she's wearing today, it's an allusion to that.

31:29I don't appreciate that. I do not appreciate that. Who is, where's Alfredo? Well, I just found out. Is he still in the building? No, I don't try to ice anyone out. And Katie's like, oh, so you didn't call production in the middle of the season and say, I'm uncomfortable. I don't feel safe around Katie. And I want Gretchen to have her orange. I want her out. You didn't say that. To by the way. Thank you. Thank you. Alfredo were you in the bathroom

31:59wrong time by the way this sounds exactly like something Shannon would say I mean it's just in Katie intonation so people don't believe it but listen to it how Shannon would say I'm uncomfortable I don't feel safe Katie I want Gretchen to have her orange I want her out yes of course she said that She 100 % did it. Of course she said it. And so Katie's like, Jen, did she have a phone call with Alex during the season? Like, oh, I'm supposed to know if Shannon had a phone call? She's like, well, I heard about it from you. Oh, so now we're just going to go back to where you're going to, Jen, to validate your stupid lies.

32:37You guys all have other people validate for you. Jen's like, we're going to do this again. She's like, well, before we left for New Orleans, that's what I heard from you. And Alex told you that? She goes, no, you told me that. And he's like, OK, well, Alex just said in my ear that he never spoke about it. And he obviously has no motivation to lie in this moment. So I guess we're just going to move on. OK, absolutely. Trust the man who claims that nobody knew that Gretchen had a horrible, bigoted social media account and tried to get no one to talk about it. And he's still trying to move past this mess.

33:14We all trust Alex Baskin. Okay, moving on. All right, Heather from Tricks are for Kids said, whether it was, I'm sorry, Heather, this is a question for Heather. This is from Lauren from Tricks are for Kids. Whether it was a game or not, you and Emily made it clear that you wouldn't trust Tamara with sensitive information. So how can you be friends with Tamara, but never fully share yourself with her? Well, we've been friends a long time. Historical friends. It's like Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr. Or, thank you. Thank you. I have sent in a self-tape to Lin-Manuel to see if I can play for Hamilton on Broadway.

33:58So we're really in that mindset. Anyway, I care about you a lot. And by care about you a lot, I sometimes, when I'm up in my penthouse, think about you and go, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And then I move on. but you know there are inconsistencies and the unpredictable nature of you sometimes that's just the truth what do you want well how do you take that tamra and say i'm here and i and i'm gonna work on that we might have to dig a little bit deeper about that but still have to have to leave except i'm gonna miss you see that okay could i just ask when we talk about that game you know i said it too i don't know why tamra is the only one getting questioned because I said it.

34:42You know. I want to be in the art of this. Yeah, I'll let me in. Okay, well, Tamara said you broke her heart by saying that. And I'm like, yeah, I know. And that's why I'm bringing it up because, you know, I've seen you throw out terrible things about her, Shannon, and she was your best friend for 10 years. Ooh, burn. Got that one in there. But she threw out terrible things about me too, bitch. Well, I said that you had an ego. No, that's not all that you said. Well, I mean, that's your justification for treating me like shit last year. No, no, that's not all you said, Shannon. Okay, well then, the little whisper in your ear is inaccurate and a posture.

35:21Whatever this means, I don't know what I'm saying, but I'm going to say it anyway. Oh, yeah, the only one who has crazy whispers in her ear. Crazy! Crazy whispers! By the way, just for interjecting a little truth in here, Shannon never did that to Tamara, where she came up with some horrible gossip that's being spread about Tamara and put that out there, did she? Well, I think this all stems from the demise of the Tres Amigos. There was so much chatter about what happened. Shannon and Vicky were alleging that Tamara didn't want to be perfect, blah, blah, blah. There was such a fallout from that, and then that fueled the way Tamara acted last season.

36:01And now this season is a reaction to last season. So I think the ego thing may have to do with Tamara's participation in Trace Amiga's. I think it was like, oh, now that Tamara found two T's in a pod, that then she left Trace Amiga's behind, yada, yada, yada. I think that's the whole giant backstory there. So Tamara's, so Andy says, why were you so surprised that Emily and Heather would say it attracts you when you've thrown people's secrets in their faces to hurt them? And Tamara's like, look at that. Give me an example. I love this game. Give me an example. Go ahead. Do it. He's like, oh, like my dad.

36:41What about that? For example, my father, he had to put down a martini to turn up the TV to hear that again, that he was an alcoholic. How dare you? How dare you?

36:56And so then we have a flash. Shannon, season 15 you had a conversation with Brownwind saying that you have alcoholism in your immediate family and you went to Al-Anon. Was that Eddie? Yeah, babe. I came in to help you out. Why are you blowing a horn? What the hell, Eddie? Well, I kind of, someone once told me that my face always looks like I'm blowing an invisible horn, so I thought why not attach a real one? Okay, I'll take it. I love him. I love his stupid, stupid lady. Why'd you talk about going to Elmond and Shannon? Well, we see the clip, and Shannon did say that to Bronwyn, because Bronwyn's like, well, I'm debating going to AA for a storyline.

37:40So what do you think of that? And Emily's like, well, I grew up with alcoholism in my family. But she didn't say it was her dad, you know? It's still vague enough. It could be a grandparent. It could have been anything. It could have been Adelaide. And it's also Shannon's story to tell. so Tamara's like that's okay if you say that here's my thing about that whole therapy thing when Tamara said it I actually like I know maybe I'm being naive I actually think that Tamara was not trying to like fuck with Shannon in that moment but I think that when Shannon flipped out Tamara's response should have been like I'm so sorry I did not mean to overshare like that I swear instead her response is here we go again and then she went into the kitchen She was like, she probably did that to cover up her own alcoholism.

38:25Yeah. So I think that's why I think that Tamara did do it on purpose. Because she's setting up the evidence. Like her father, you said it yourself. Your dad's an alcoholic. So it's only normal that you're an alcoholic. Just admit to being an alcoholic and blame your dad like the rest of us. You know? And Sandra was like, how bad are you? And then she's like, oh, really? Maybe that's why she's an alcoholic. Because daddy's not her excuse. Bitch. So. Do you know? You said, okay. Okay. Okay. You know what, Tamara? Tamara, we can play the la la game. What's the la la game? I don't know, but I just invented it, and we can play it if you want.

38:58But to sickle out my father, I was in tears. I was in tears having to say, Dad, your past is not brought up on a television show. And he said, I know, because it's you. You're my past, and you're on this show. And I said, Dad, but look, I said, look, you brought this up, Tamara. And you know what you said? You know what you said under your breath? And then we see Tamara saying, like, I don't think she cares that she cares about her dad in the first place. how dare you Tamra how dare you Tamra judge and she's like well that's because I was pissed off at the way you were at the Shannon yeah yeah it'd be a horrible person you're 97 yeah oh she'd be horrible yeah okay listen when it comes to my dad who told me two weeks ago I'm gonna cry hold on again the minute that Marilyn Monroe got off his lap and wiped it down because he did pee a little I mean why lie we all do it and then left the restaurant my dad started crying and he said Shannon, you're the only reason I'm alive.

39:49You're the only reason I'm alive. Just, I'd live to see you. I'd live to see you. So how dare you throw that out? Then he burped, and a little bit of blue cheese olive got stuck in my ear, which was really cute. I love hanging out with my dad. What were we talking about? Commercials. Here comes one right now.

40:11We're talking about how your dad has alcoholism. She does not stop. I was, the man was crying. He was crying. He was saying, if it weren't for you, Shannon Storms Bedore, I would die. I would be dead. And I live for you. You are my daughter. And every day I wake up just for you. No, Alfredo. Oh, yeah. That was a serious moment. So basically now you're dead to suicidal alcoholic. That's a good one. It's a good one. But I'm sorry, okay? I wasn't trying to single your dad out. It wasn't my place to say that at the moment. I should have just been like Alcoholism runs in your family That's why you run with alcoholism Stupid running bitch I should have just face I should have just like face swapped your face On the little boy in the commercial in the 80s And have you saying I hate it from watching you dad Sham was like absolutely not Absolute yes though right Absolute yes I was here to absolute We are so deranged So Andy is like Thank you, Eddie.

41:14Thank you. Thank you, Eddie. Oh, no, Eddie's in the bathroom right now. So Andy is. And he's like, okay, well, Jen, Whitney, from the factory of cheesecake said, do you feel Tamara would have less problems with the group if she took accountability for her actions? Yeah. So the night that we sat outside, guys, remember when we sat outside? No? Okay. Well, the night that we sat outside and we're kicked as the cake decorating party. I remember I looked at you and I said, you're in therapy. When do you look in the mirror and say, fuck, it might be me. Never. Well, that's you. When do you do it? Why don't you do that?

41:57It's not about me. But I'll tell you one thing. I love therapy. I can't wait to go to lunch. I'm going to go to lunch therapy. I'm going to have lunch therapy. I'm going to have my sandwiches and therapy because I love therapy so much. It's so helpful. Shut up, bitch. No, but like, don't you realize like there's patterns that have to change like behaviors have to change yeah i know that's why i'm in therapy okay but like has your therapy enlightened you to anything that you came today feeling like you want to apologize for can we see some evidence of the therapy working yeah yeah you want me to apologize for something okay my plan is to sit calm and apologize and take accountability and try to move forward with everybody in therapy therapy is that you saw my dad's file my alcoholic That's a good plan.

42:51I like that plan. And by the way, everyone, I had a salmon sperm facial to prepare for today. Wow. A salmon sperm facial. You know what? I won't even let my own husband come all over my face. Why would I let a salmon? No, you don't do it for Emily. I was the one who set up the joke.

43:18All right. Well, we're back. And okay, from covert communications with Emily's ex-nanny to nefarious kinks with bloggers, Katie was accused of stirring a pot of deception this season. But a failed polygraph test and a secret recording had those women dropping her faster than Shannon bailed on her grilled cheese. Oh, Shannon, bailing on a grilled cheese, which we know you would never, ever want to do in your life. Am I right, Shannon? Why are you crying, Shannon? Why are you suddenly clutching yourself and looking at yourself to lunches? I always believe that. I always believe that. I always believe that.

43:53Leave no grilled cheese behind. And so the fact that I would do that, I'm just so sorry. I'm so sorry. And your dad had problems leaving grilled cheese behind too, right? do not bring my father into this his grilled cheese behavior is not up for public discussion so now we see clips and a flashback to a headline Emily Simpson's former babysitter speaks out saying Emily's kids know everything and hated Heather Dubrow Shannon's like oh Emily's ex-nanny came forward yeah reached out to me and I was pissed you talk about my custody and it's something that was extreme oh no so Emily Emily is basically saying listen you know you were talking about my custody and something that was extremely painful to me and then Emily saying that's not an excuse Katie don't bring my kids into it she didn't she said that she heard that you you don't like Heather through your kids she didn't call your kids fat or ugly or anything else stop saying that she trash talked your kids she didn't you trash talk children when you were trash talking her as a mother you are horrible and And the fact that they can even compare these two things and make them seem okay.

44:59And Emily's still in the right. Emily was so dead wrong for that whole thing. She's disgusting. Yeah, she was dead wrong. And I do kind of wish Andy had actually asked Katie some more questions about this nanny situation. Because I just, I don't really think it's like the worst infraction in the world. I don't think it's great. Like the nanny calls up, Katie should not have engaged with his nanny at all. but like Emily treated it as if Katie like told the nanny, like scripted all these things for the nanny to say and yada, yada, yada. And I just think it's so overwrought and it just does not pale to what, what Emily did last year, which she brought up this incredibly painful facet of Katie's life and put it on display that like her kids have to listen to and deal with.

45:45And this is this stuff, like a nanny goes onto a podcast. Who cares? The only one who made it a big deal. The only one is Emily. because none of us were like, oh my God, let's tune in to hear what Emily Simpson's nanny has to say. Literally, the least intriguing headline for any podcast would be like exclusive. Emily Simpson's nanny is on the show today. Like no one cares about that shit. And Emily made it a thing, not Katie. Yeah. And so then we see a flashback to a scene with Kiki Monique and Kiki's saying, oh yeah, well she said that you came in and said, is that an Asian designer? implying I guess it was meant to be sounding racist.

46:21And Gina being like, well, I want to celebrate the fact that Katie wanted to come into this group and then she wanted to bring her culture and she just didn't do any of that. Whatever you ignoramus. That's not the way to do it. Gina. Gina's also the asshole in this situation. Gina's also the asshole. All of this is how Katie's an asshole. But these are other people being assholes. Yeah, it's not up to you, Gina, to police the way Katie wants to celebrate or the timeline with which Katie wants to celebrate. Yeah, being like, oh, really? You're supporting Asians? Is that an Asian designer? Yeah, it's fucking ignorant.

46:58Yeah. And he's like, okay, well, Katie, what's it like watching that? She's like, it's not fun. It's pretty hurtful to watch, yeah. All right, well, how surprised were you by the viewer response after the lie detector episode aired because it really felt to me like the viewers really rallied around you. Tamara, why are you twitching? And also, Emily, you seem to be foaming at the mouth every time I say the viewers rallied around Katie. It's not fair! It's not fair! Well, I'm shocked and I'm very pleasantly surprised by how much love I'm getting. Yeah. Shannon, you appear to have re-followed Katie.

47:32She's like, oh, I never stopped. I never stopped following Katie. I never unfollowed her. I just was hoping she would leave grilled cheese hints somewhere in there. Missing. Hopefully she would see my sign that was up in all the ballrooms all over Orange County. Missing grilled cheese!

47:51so Katie's like well you guys in a better place now she's like well we haven't spoken no absolutely we have not spoken until I get my grilled cheese back so well when you describe what happened I mean we all know you recorded her at the promo shots but then you just keep making it like you just sent a voice to note to Matt but you obviously played it for Alexis I'm sorry I'm sorry. I think she's also entitled to play it for a lot. It's messy, but like Shannon having a full on crazy meltdown, like, like, of course you got to play it. I mean, what it does do is like, it's, it's disingenuous knowing that that's Shannon's huge like enemy.

48:29So that's shitty, but they really are acting like this isn't like a total violation of privacy. I think they're prosecuting a case of like, this is duplicitous. This is a violation of privacy. This is as bad as opening someone else's mail. And I think that the actual act of playing this crazy voice note of Shannon Bedore having a meltdown, like, let's all be honest. Let's all be honest with ourselves. If we have that voice note, we know we're going to play it for some people. But it is shitty that she played it for Shannon's archenemy when she's also so happy that Shannon's being her friend. So that's shitty.

49:04But I think the actual playing of the voice note, like, I just don't think. Well, a couple of things. For one thing, I 100 % believe that Katie taped this and played it for Alexis. I 100 % believe it. But again, on this show, and I do think that's shitty also. But, you know, like you said, what you said is what you said. And I agree with it. But also, Shannon screamed it. This was all in public when she did it. So would it be different if Katie just said, oh, my God, Shannon had a huge meltdown. it was so embarrassing. Would she still get in trouble or was it the act of tape recording? Also, Shannon has recorded people multiple times.

49:39It's not only the one that she cops to right now, but she also was recording Kelly having a breakdown in Ireland and other times. Like we've seen Shannon doing it before. So they're not really the ones to be - What's that? I think that was Heather who actually recorded that one to just - It was? Just to be fair, but I think so. Okay, then we've seen them recording other people. So to be getting all upset. And also this is another thing of everybody getting mad of the wrong part. Like, why are we not getting mad that Shannon is making production weight and having all of this time and having another diva fit, which has had a million of them on camera.

50:16So we've seen her doing this. We know exactly what this woman's talking about. Why isn't it about Shannon having a fit and somebody else standing up to Shannon, having a fit? Yeah, I think like, I, I, I do understand why Shannon is, I'm not saying Shannon shouldn't be upset. Like, you know, you like to think that when you're with your friends, your friends are not secretly recording you, you know, and like recording you being silly and then playing it for someone else. Like a hundred percent, I get that. Like that's, that is not crazy to me, but the, I don't know. I also think that like Shannon was having a total, a total crazy meltdown.

50:50And I don't know. I think like as long as it has been recorded, like, you know, I sort of understand the messy impulse to be like, let's look at this. it's like watch it's like any amount this is happening all over society right now and someone has a meltdown a store someone records them and then you play it for friends you put it on social media and so i i guess it doesn't i i guess i'm i'm sort of i guess i'm i might be contradicting myself here a little bit because i i do agree that like you don't want someone in your friend group recording you when you're not aware and being messy with it but then i guess at the same time, I guess more like me as a fan, I can imagine seeing a real housewife being crazy in public and being like, oh my God, I saw Shia Mador being crazy.

51:37You've got to see what this is. So now I think I'm actually walking back what I said. I don't know. I don't know people. I apologize. This is probably incredibly frustrating. I'll make it easy. I'll make it easy. What Katie did was clearly wrong, but what everybody else does all the time is also clearly wrong. And Katie is being unfairly dogpiled on for this when they've all done it. Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think that's what it is. I think maybe, thank you for clarifying my thoughts. I think it's really that the punishment in this situation just does not meet. Yeah, it doesn't fit the crime, especially when Shannon was, in fact, acting like an asshole.

52:13So Andy's like, well, she went on social media and said that she did hear the recording. This is Alexis. And Katie's like, well, then I want her to tell me what Shannon says. If she's heard the recording, then I want to know what she says. We'll test her. And Andy goes, let's wait. And Kitty goes, no. And he goes, no, I know. I'm just kidding. Well, you say, no, I want to finish this. You say I was hours late and that I caused a whole scene. Did you? Well, yeah, your glam team had to change your hair because they didn't have enough time to glue in the straw that they normally glue in because you were so late.

52:47Haven't you ever filmed people without their knowledge, Shannon? Okay, okay, well, we're just gonna drop it, okay? Because you're just gonna go around this No! Okay, therapy! This is therapy for you now Okay, well, you're gonna hurt somebody So I'm not gonna do that I'm not gonna talk about this, Shannon I mean, Tamara Was it somebody here? No, it's Vicky! She goes, oh, oh, okay, okay, okay You know what? You know what? Vicky is gonna be very upset with you But when I was staying there There was a huge argument with her husband And I just wanted to make sure everything was okay So instead of going in there and saying, is everything okay?

53:19I recorded it on my phone and sent it to Tamara. And that's all that I did. I was just trying to help. That's all I did. All right. Well, Emily, Marco in polo said, hey, you seem to be a fierce defender of your family. Did you go into defense mode on Katie when she was going after her family at the beginning of the year? Is that why? Is this the reason that you, Do you want to hang your crazy behavior on this sanctimonious hanger here? Of course. It was such a level of deceit. It was an evasion of privacy. I just also things that are just outside of the realm of anything I've ever had to deal with before.

54:03Oh, please. She said your kid said you didn't like Heather. For Christ's sake. You're making it sound like the woman, like, dressed your children up like you and Shane and sent them into a bank to steal all of your money. I mean, lady, give me a break. when I got information about someone, I just screenshot and show it to Gina and we have a good laugh. Well, yeah. And then Gina brings it up on camera to ruin that person. And then you come tag team along with Gina to ruin that person. So I'm glad you're admitting it. So basically you're saying when someone else, when you do it, it's okay. Yeah.

54:36Like it's not that different from like, Shannon's having a meltdown. I mean, okay. So Shannon has this meltdown. Katie records it because she sends it, she wants, she sends it to Matt to be like, oh my God, this fuck, my coworker. And I think we're all allowed to bitch about our coworkers, except I would never bitch about you, Ronnie. But you're all, generally, you know, we're all allowed to, you have to vent about your workplace, right? She bitches to Matt. So she has this recording. She plays it for Alexis. So yes, shitty for her to do it. But I also think she's totally allowed, she's totally allowed to record something to share with her husband and then they can laugh about it.

55:08And basically, Emily is saying the same thing here. Oh, I saw this crazy thing and we are messy and we joke about it behind people's backs and like, but we're entitled to it. And they are, by the way, they are. Like you see something, you get a screenshot like, cause these people aren't actually generally friends. And so like, you are allowed to do that. But like, why are you allowed to take a screenshot of someone's like terrible past and have like a little laugh about it? And Katie can't also have a laugh over a piece of content. Because she's saying she's not creating the content. She's just laughing at content that's already out there.

55:40But yeah, she's a total hypocrite. Like she's like, we do shit all the time and laugh with our friends, but no one else is allowed to. So Katie's like, yeah, well, what about what you did at the reunion to me bringing up all the stuff about my custody? And she goes, OK, well, let me differentiate. First of all, I apologize for bringing it up in the manner that I did, because I understand it looked like I was bringing up something about your children, but it wasn't about your children. Right. And the thing she said about you wasn't about your children either. It was what your children said about you.

56:10Do you see, Emily? You're like arguing against yourself here. I'm like such a fucking hypocrite. I can't even watch. Well, if you say I can't watch it because I am watching it. But God. Giddy is like, but you said I heard you lost physical and legal custody. She's like, what you said is literally about my children. It's like, it's about like their, it's about their family dynamic. It's about, it's probably about stuff that she was trying to shield her children from. whereas the nanny thing is nothing that is is has to be shielded from the children you know like this is it was i think more damaging for katie what emily did and she goes i saw an article oh yeah here's a flashback article article article back to present being in my late 20s having no money and nowhere to go that was the only decision i could make and you thought it was going to be fun to like oh look katie you lost physical custody no i didn't think it was gonna be fun I just thought it'd be a really good reunion moment that would get me another season on the show.

57:05I didn't think it was going to be fun. OK, I mean, it was fun, but I didn't think it was going to be fun. I was like, then why would you bring it up? And Jen's like, well, she just felt like there were inconsistencies in it, Katie. OK, well, yeah. Well, I thought your backstory wasn't consistent. You know, she goes, OK, so I need to explain myself from 12 years ago. I mean, yes, because you're on Orange County and we're going back 15. So, yes, I guess so. and Emily's like well but you use content creators podcasters journalists whatever you want to call them to fight your battles and you're allowed to be that piss Katie that's fine but at least have the guts to bring it up to me to my face says the woman who like waited till the reunion to bring up the backstory about Katie's you know like whatever she went through in Georgia Katie's like well and I truly apologize for how I handled it why is Katie apologizing this is making me fucking crazy Okay, and by the way, did you see the article that came out yesterday about Emily?

57:59Fucking hypocrite. Blogger, this is from Reality Blurb. Blogger leaks Emily Simpson's alleged DMs and claims Emily asked them to post negative content about this. So this is from someone named Bravo Boo. And there is a screenshot. She came with receipts. And Emily basically sent her a DM because who made this video? Let me see. Okay, here's the DM from Emily. Would you believe her loser agent publicist posted shitty things about me after saying things? By the way, this is my opinion and my perspective, which I'm allowed to have when people are asking questions. And that's what being a housewife is all about.

58:37Sharing your opinion and your perspective and being real and authentic about it. Oh, God, I just opened Instagram. And authentic about it. And you can choose not to agree or disagree, but this is exactly how I feel. And then this is a clip. I'm trying to make this bigger. her agent posted this how completely unprofessional and the blogger saying oh my god no fucking way I am reposting it but I will not say I got it from you that's so low Alexis is so insecure it reeks of her it reeks off of her and this stuff shows it even more I'm busy but I will make a post about the publicist because I really am writing hard for Shannon right now so she's like I'm busy fighting Shannon's battles as a blogger but I will get back to you in just a moment about fighting your battles.

59:23And so Emily says, don't feel obligated. I just wanted to share because I was so grossed out by it. And then the Bravo Boo says, I'm not feeling obligated at all, but you're messaging bloggers with shit that you want them to put out and waiting until they put it out. And said blogger is too busy putting out shit for Shannon right now. So she's gonna have to get to you after, okay? And I love that the Bravo Boo's shameless. She's just like, yeah, that's what I was doing. and I was also writing hard for Shannon. So here's the proof, everybody.

59:57Eating it up. But anyway, the point of this is that Emily is, as we all know, a fucking hypocrite. And you think the only person she's writing is Bravo Boo? Doubtful. Yeah, doubtful, doubtful. So Jen is like, and he's like, okay, well, why did you say Katie was a con artist between seasons, Jen? Jen, was it because you knew she was talking to people behind everyone's backs? Is that why? He says, I'll tell you, Andy. Thank you so much for asking me this. Things were just like not adding up. But to be fair, nothing really adds up to me. Yeah, I was going to say, what else is new, Jen? How they work.

1:00:32This is you. Could you imagine Jen getting the bill and trying to figure out the tip at the end? It's like no one's asking you. What happened to the middle part of the Cheerios? Are they just in some factory somewhere? how are these not called satios when they've been hollowed out like that

1:00:55satios why are they called satios thank you ryan somewhere in beverly hills okay well yeah things weren't adding up okay and i've asked you know you've asked me this a million times, Katie, and I don't remember telling Gina that, you know, you were a con artist. So I can't sit here today and say that. Jen never remembers anything. That's always Jen's thing. Like, what? What did I? I never remember. I don't remember. So Katie's like, Gina, did she say that? And she goes, whoa, it was something to the effect of, like, I'm just, I'm like, I'm sitting over here like, is this girl like a con artist?

1:01:33And then Ryan's like, no, she's just new. And that's how I remember it. Like, I don't remember because I was schlepping. And schlepping feels so good. I was schlepping a sign that just said, just sold for a studio apartment in a senior living facility. So Jen is like, she's like, well, for me, it's just like, you and I have so many conversations, but I was having weird feelings about stories that you were telling me. Okay, well, we got a lot of questions about the lie detector test, Katie. You told us weekly that you felt it was one person who refused to film with you and then went on to say, I think it came from one person who maybe set me up for something and maybe other people believe something untrue about me.

1:02:16She's like, yeah. Well, who was that person? Emily, duh. She's like, duh. Emily, of course. She goes, I love that power. She goes, well, I was set up. She goes, I don't need a lie detector to know that you're lying, Katie.

1:02:29Dun, dun, dun. And Emily's like, Katie said on camera, I'll even take a lie detector test. I'm like, you weren't even in that room when she said that. You weren't even fucking there. and then we see Katie saying, I'm not talking about stories with bloggers and Gretchen's saying, okay, listen, I believe you. How am I? She's like, well, I'll take a lie detector test. So then Emily's like, yeah, that's where it came from, okay? It wasn't even my idea, it was Gina's idea and then I was like, let's have a lie detector test because then look, I know they're 86 % accurate and they're not admissible in court, et cetera, et cetera and Tamara's like, oh yeah, I had a few crunchy bottles, you can pass it.

1:03:09Katie told me that. Katie told me that. Well, Katie failed it, so I don't think it worked. She failed on every question. Yeah, she really, yeah, that was a tough time. So then Katie's like, yeah, she told me that. And he goes, okay, well, y 'all came up with the questions, I might add. Well, that was my only input in this. That was my only input. The audience should stop being mad at me. It wasn't even my plan. I just said to everyone, make up your own questions. That was my only input. But, well, production found the lie detector people because there's only a few that will go on camera. And even though they're on camera, they still won't cut their bangs.

1:03:45It's a big issue. A lot of back and forth on that one. Well, I'm sitting here telling you I had no way to set you up because what am I going to do? Pull them aside? Like, what am I going to do? Pull them aside and say, you better do this. They would have caught it on camera. You could have DM'd them. You could have emailed them. You could have talked to them. I mean, lady with the bangs was sure pretty hard on your side, as I recall. I mean, I don't know any other professional lie detector people, quote unquote, who when someone leaves goes, oh, yeah, she's full of shit. Bangs was totally on your side.

1:04:20Give me a break. Yeah. And Katie even says that. She goes, you know, they did have guys say, like, we've got her. There's a plan. Okay. Okay. That was Katie. Okay. All that was Katie was that it was like a lie detector test about to happen. in and then they said oh my god we got her because they were also like i don't know if you know this but they were trying really hard to give julia roberts a lie detector test and she was resisting and then she finally said okay i'll take a lie detector test and then they landed the account and so she's like we got her katie come on like it makes total sense and emily's like it wasn't my idea you know i don't need one to know you're lying i already knew you were lying and she was like well i wasn't expecting you to fail every question honestly but you did i was but first of Well, if you're going to set somebody up, like everyone knows if you're going to cheat on the test, you got to get one or two wrong.

1:05:06But you got like all of them wrong. I don't think cheating goes that. Gina's a moron. Like I can't even I'm not even going to parse what Gina's saying. She's useless. Katie, there seems to be a feeling in the group that you were tougher behind everyone's back than a group of events. Saint from Lewis says, why don't you just say to the girls what you say in your confessionals? And she goes, oh, I should. I should. Yeah, a lot of people should. A lot of people in here. I'm just going to squint at him right now. Shannon!

1:05:38What does that even mean? Oh, why do you think I'm talking about you, Emily? Well, I don't think you're talking about me because I say things. So who are you talking about? You say a lot of things in your confessions about me. I was like, oh, behind my back, over the cutthroat, it's like, wow. Yeah, but I don't trust you. That's what I said. No, you said that and went to my face. Okay, what else then? You make nice little comments all the time. Like what? Emily, you do it. You do it with everybody. And also, saying something to someone's face occasionally doesn't mean it's okay to be an absolute asshole to your friends behind their back either.

1:06:15But she's like, what? I'm sorry, go ahead, Ben. Obviously, Shannon tries to jump in. She goes, you do do that, Tamara. You do. And Tamara's like, Shannon, be quiet. No one's talking to you. Just be quiet. Just be quiet. No, I won't. I will not be quiet. Just sit on the end and be quiet. Sit on the last seat. Sit on the loser seat. I'm on a show where everyone expresses their opinions. I'm talking to Emily. You make snide comments. You do it. You do it. Shut up. That's therapy speaking. Shut up. No, I just felt like - Every time Tamara yells at Shannon, Shannon looks to the - There's some sort of invisible ref that we're not seeing offstage.

1:06:54Shannon just looks over to her left. What camera man? Do you see this camera man? Do you see this camera man? Yeah, get out of here You're stupid You're stupid and you sit in the last seat, okay? Yeah, that's right, Eddie That's right What was that? Was that Shannon's guy? Um, no, I just tried to get in my car and leave And it didn't work out so well, sorry Yeah, you know what, but Emily My feelings get hurt a lot You know what, I talk about it in therapy Which I'm in every five minutes, okay? And I don't know if you're trying to be funny or what She goes, what? What do you mean? Well, you know, just like I've never had any girlfriends And I'm not a girl's girl Well, okay, well there was a lot of conversations I had with Gretchen And I was trying to explain Maybe she's never had girlfriends Maybe she's not a girl's girl I mean, I don't know I mean, if that hurts your feelings, I apologize for it Go on!

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