#3083 RHOC S19E20: Liked and Loaded

0:21Well, hello, and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker, and joining me this morning is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hey, Ronnie, what's going on? Well, hello. How are you? I am doing just fabulous. I am actually here in Dallas, Texas today because I'm at a board game convention. I'm nerding out. I went from BravoCon to BGGCon, and so I'm actually just telling you all that in case my video or my Wi-Fi gets janky. I apologize. I am on. good old-fashioned hotel Wi-Fi at the moment. But anyway, speaking of video, if you want to watch us, not just listen to us, go check out patreon.com slash watch for crappens.

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1:50Fun times. Interesting choice by this show to just ignore Gretchen's shit and blame it all on Tamara. I'm really surprised, especially with Heather Dubrow, who has, you know, obviously LGBTQ plus children and is always making a stand and, you know, always has a Trevor project scene. And Heather is very much like, well, you're nice to me and my family. Who cares? Who cares? Who cares? So I'm actually pretty surprised by that. I didn't buy one second of that horse shit. So I guess I'd like to start this recap off by saying, fuck you, Gretchen. And fuck you, Bravo, for doing this. This is pretty crazy.

2:36I mean, they're really just going to gaslight everybody, I guess. These posts were not something that were made up and were Photoshopped and put there. And everybody acting like, oh, wow, what? Well, we couldn't find the likes. You know you can unlike shit, right? You dummies. This has been out since 2023. I mean, and that's the compilation. It's been out a lot longer than that that people have been talking about this. So it's pretty crazy that they all know that this was real. And they're all just going to pretend that it wasn't. For what? To keep Gretchen? Did Gretchen bring something that I didn't realize?

3:09So that's my opening thoughts. Wow. How about you? Yeah. I mean, it was pretty wild. and then segueing into the second half when they all just started piling on Tamara. That was the funniest thing to me. I was cracking up because, I don't know, Tamara just seems so caught. She seems so caught. And this is aside from the fact that, why are we deflecting onto Tamara in the first place? We shouldn't be. But the way she's just kind of like, baby, Slade, obviously Slade did obvious. It was Slade. I mean, I've played a lot. Look, I'm at a board game convention. There's a lot of these social deduction games like the traitors and everything that we play.

3:46And she, here's how I know that Tamara is caught. Because she's acting like me every time I'm a secret bad guy in Mafia or something. Every time I'm caught, she's doing the exact same Ben Mandelker techniques. Be like, but what about this person? What about Slade? By the way, and yes, anytime I play Mafia, I play him in Slade Smiley. I'm like, it's not me, it's Slade Smiley. I'm innocent here. Slade Smiley's a bit bad. People are like, who's Slade Smiley? but um i was just laughing so much at tamra she was so funny to me this entire episode because she was like you know like the the tears come on cue but also like the way she just like screamed at emily which was hilarious she's like why are you an asshole all the time i just cracked up so as much as it was a good episode yeah there was a lot of darkness here and a lot of toxicity, but the deflecting was fun because it's been the whole season, right?

4:40Yeah. It started with Tamara deflecting all of the naked wasted stuff, which she thought she would be called out on, by turning it into, well, Gretchen said that I gave her a date rape truck. So it started with a very good deflection, and it's ending in, you know what? I don't even think it's a deflection. I think Tamara's right. I think it's pretty obviously Slade. I mean, in the final episode of the season, when Gretchen is crying to Slade, He's like, oh, really? Well, I'm going to call the bloggers and I'm going to get on this and I'm going to we'll get Tamra back. And then immediately they all get a phone call.

5:13He said something along the lines of, oh, yeah, we're going to figure this out. We're going to get Tamra, something like that. And then this happens. And now they all deleted the DM. Like, we don't even know who the DM was from because we just read it and then we delete it. He deleted it on his end. So we never really even saw who it was. You fucking liars. You are such liars. All three of you who are well-versed by now in Instagram and bloggers and getting gossip and trafficking and gossip. None of you wrote down that name of who was sending you the DM. You're full of it. I mean, I will say, I mean, Tamron's strongest point is that she's been on the show for years and years.

5:52And this is the only season where it's gotten, like, it's been a real issue like this with outside media. Although the funny part is that the whole crux of the central controversy of the season is that she was talking to basically a reporter of good standing. So there's clearly outreach that happens. But I mean, I would love to say that it's Slade because I can't stand Slade. And I believe that Slade is the type that would leak every single piece of information that he had. But they did seem to have some decent logic towards the end of the episode about, you know, like Slade wouldn't know this information that was leaked.

6:34Of course he would. But of course he would know because they just shot the scene. So everybody, everybody who is at the finale would know all of this information. It's silly. And Emily saying, well, how would I know? You just said that you talked about Tam. You talked about these tweets with Tamra or all these likes with Tamra and Gina two weeks ago. And now you're saying there's no other person that knew except Gina and you. Well, that's not true. You knew Emily. And whoever you two big mouths talked to. So the hypothesis is that they are saying only Tamara and Gita knew that they had that conversation in that store.

7:10And also, of course, the entire production staff, by the way, who filmed the entire thing. But also Emily. Why is production never considered one of the leaks ever? like to me it's always so obvious that like it's like there could be just some person some messy person on production alex baskin i mean the same with lvp oh my god who leaked this to the who could it be oh really well might be but alexia baskin i mean it doesn't even have to be it's fun to think that it goes that high it doesn't even have to be that high it just could be like a messy field producer who's you know and we've we've met a good number of them in our lives you know so it could just be that and we've also met a ton of housewives and guess what they leak shit all the time or they try to you know they all talk so it's not it's also not beyond any reason that tamra did leak stuff but it's not beyond reason that all of them did and i don't remember a lot of stuff coming out about this season anyway there weren't like huge leaks they were like oh i guess what happens in episode three nothing like that even happened this season the biggest thing that happened was this tamra gretchen thing i didn't hear about the date rape drug accusations or any of that i didn't hear about that did you no i didn't hear about that i heard the biggest thing from the season i heard that katie stopped filming with a cast i heard that there's allegations that katie did something illegal which is i think the shannon video that's illegal and um i heard she didn't go on the cast trip i heard things like that i heard that tamra had quit i heard that she was back so i heard things like that in fact that's i think a lot of us were really excited for the season because there was so much stuff that was coming out ahead of time but the stuff that they're specifically talking that this you know fbi witness muffled voice person talking about like i heard it's chris samuels it's just chris samuels we really needed the the uh shadow you know i know like all that stuff i i had not heard um ahead of time so i mean i don't know we obviously don't know who the leak is but i just felt like tamra whether she was the leak or not she reminded me so much of how badly i play these social deduction games i'm like she's lucky she didn't make it farther into the traders and like was a traitor because she was she was spiraling in that in that front chair and she was like her head was going like left and right and then like when everyone stopped listening to her she finally starts crying to Andy uh I just I mean like the the stuff with Gretchen was dark but I have to say like to me the episode was saved by the hilarity of this like wild goose chase they all were on over the stupid leaking situation because ultimately I think the the good thing about it you know it is one situation where I believe Tamara of all people which made me feel extremely uncomfortable because I never agree with Tamara on shit but I thought what was super entertaining about it was that they beat tamra at their own game and i thought that that was pretty wild that i do believe 100 this is slade but um it's also slade beating tamra which is crazy i never thought i'd see that happen you know someone who gets just as down and dirty with tamra and beat her at her own game in the finale and of course it helps that he had the help of the cast because the cast was like fuck tamra i mean tamra's quit how many times this season she's been a huge pain and the production and cast.

10:31They're all so sick of her. You can tell. I mean, they're all saying how sick. They're like, oh, God, did she quit again? Jeez. And now we're letting her back in. You know, that's been a huge part of the end of the season. So the fact that she got beat and the cast actually went and said, we're going to help Slade. We all forgot who we got this DM from. We all are just going to believe all of this horseshit. We're all going to pretend that we didn't see these tweets or know that these likes were going on the whole time. That means the whole cast decided to team up and get rid of Tamra. And I thought it was pretty funny because Tamra has been using these tactics for years.

11:06And they got her. They got her. I also think that Tamra – You got to credit where credit's due. Tamra is such like an elite villain in the world of Bravo that she actually doesn't really even need to go to the blogs to get her way. She just manipulates so well. and she doesn't have to do these tactics and she never has had to do them. So that definitely moves the needle more towards Slade. But I just felt like her behavior at the reunion just felt so guilty. So that moves the needle back for me. I guess we'll never know. And I'm sure she'll be like, it wasn't me. And you know what? The ambiguity is part of the fun of it.

11:46But it is hilarious that Gretchen did the truly, of the offenses of leaking to quote-unquote bloggers, which of course there are no bloggers involved, versus liking homophobic, transphobic tweets like Gretchen's transgression is the worst, and it's offensive, and it's really terrible, and yet it's Tamara's that seems to be the thing that they really do all the roasting for. So that's so Real Housewives. wow transgression really works i know and it's also ironic on so many levels she had a transgression but a transgression implies that like she would normally she wouldn't do that but she had a transgression and the sad thing is i think that she normally she would like those things but she was caught yeah um okay well let's get into it tonight the reunion concludes uh so welcome back everybody from exotic locales such as Amsterdam to New Orleans Heather Dubrow's penthouse blah blah blah okay so this first thing is just fun we're doing mushrooms Heather Dubrow is a cool mom yeah she does mushrooms whenever she can I mean the kids are gone so why not can I say something you know what image I think is most emblazoned into my brain from last weekend of Bravo con when we were backstage before our panel.

13:18We got to go into the backstage holding area, which is where they pretty much kept all the Bravo Leberties during the convention. And it was like the size of a massive lunchroom. And in fact, there was just tables. It was just this big, long room. Big, big, big, big, big, big room. And there were all these tables, truly like lunch tables. But there was this big aisle. And you had to walk all the way down that aisle to get to the buffet. And we were walking up that aisle. And I don't know if you saw this, Ronnie, maybe you weren't with me, but Heather Dubrow came strutting down that aisle like it was Paris Fashion Week.

13:53And she came right at us. And I think we were talking with someone, because I would have said hi, of course. I would have been like, Heather Dubrow, lady of comedy. But I couldn't. But did you see her, the way she walked? She strutted down that aisle like it was a runway. That was honestly one of the funniest images. And that's just what I think of her with her shoulders going back and forth. Like, you better work. Work it, girl. Televisions. Heather Dubrow. I may or may not be on mushrooms. Cool mom. No, I didn't see that because you tended to see the Bravo Leberties. I saw towards the end of the tunnel, which was cookies.

14:32That's all I saw. I was like, how many of those can I have? What are those made out of? I didn't really see anybody unless we literally tripped over them. I know. because I was concentrating on whatever calories were surrounding me at the time. Well, what was so alarming is, I mean, I too was looking at the cookies and we finally got to the cookies. And then that's when Shane Simpson came right up to us. And it's like, ah, Shane Simpson. He's saying hello to us. I'm just looking at the cookies. Okay. So we talk about how wacky everybody is with their space cakes and their mushrooms. Everybody's really cool, guys.

15:06And then we talk about how Katie didn't know the she didn't know England was an island or, you know, what the Mississippi River was. And so, you know, everybody admits that none of them know, you know, and, you know, I admit that I'm not surprised, but I also probably wouldn't know either. I mean, I'm kind of a ding dong with all that stuff. So does anyone still have their painted dick from Amsterdam? damn. And Gretchen's like, no, I just have a broken dick, that's all. And Andy's like, wow, good one, Gretchen.

15:41Hey! Give me a special. It was actually the only sign that we had that Andy just wants her out of there. Because the rest of the time, he was like, alright, I'll tell the company line and rally behind Gretchen. For this one, he just went, wow, good one, Gretchen, and kind of looked back at his cards. Gretchen and Jerry O 'Connell should do Like a special together where Jerry O 'Connell Could be like Guys get their dicks broken Women break their face for facelifts Am I right everyone? God men and women Women break their nails and men break Their dicks Isn't that funny? There's a straight guy opinion on Housewives Whoa isn't it crazy I'm a straight guy But I'm talking about women stuff Isn't that novel?

16:27Oh my god All right. See you on the next episode. So then we talk about Heather shooting the scene about her dad in front, you know, pouring the ashes into the canal, which I still find kind of odd. I mean, that's like, hey, dad, you lived here. And then you pour his ashes into the gutter. Love you, dad. But I guess it kind of fit. Yeah. Goodbye, cocksucker. So we talk about that and how touching it was and how many similarities she has with Emily once they really talked and realized like, wow, her parents are both kind of monsters. And I don't know. I don't know what else they had in common. But it's just so interesting.

17:10We both have sandwiches in our purse. Just kidding. That's mace. Normally, I use the mace on Emily Simpson and people of the servant class. But today we put the mace aside and bonded. I usually use the mace on carbs. I've got mace in my purse in case Emily decides to pull out any more tuna sandwiches. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappin's commercial.

17:41So Andy's like, that's great. That's great. Okay. Well, the season ended on a dark and dramatic note. To say the least, I want to start with the emotional final dinner in Amsterdam where you all confronted Gretchen about her alleged LOL social media activity. All right, we're getting right into it, everyone. So now we're here at the Gretchen liking homophobic and transphobic tweets. So we see a whole clip of that. Gretchen, your immediate excuse about liking these posts is to say, hey, if I like something, I probably didn't know what it was about. and that you weren't paying attention to what you were liking.

18:21What do you mean by that? And are we supposed to believe this in 2025? Go on. I mean, that many posts. You just like that many homophobic, transphobic posts. Really? Accident. Total accident. So she's like, well. Oh, go ahead. I was going to say, this is not a defensive retching. This might sound like it at first, but it's not. I have definitely been scrolling and I'll see like a friend just post something and I'll just like like it I won't really watch the whole video because I just I know they're happy with what they posted and like it's like a you know like look it's their child like climbing on a thing and I'll be like like I'm like I'm not going to watch that but I know it's like I want to support them so you know I've definitely blinded liked later they're saying like oh that was my child thank god he's trampling over trans rights yes go child Oh my God, what did I just like on accident?

19:13The child's like, oh, the gays should go to hell. And I'm like, like, like, like. But like, but like, like, like. There is a difference, I think, between, you know, aimlessly sort of going through and just, you know, supporting versus when you see like an obvious meme that says stuff about that's anti-gay. Like that's not something you blindly scroll by. Okay, so you can't really use the scroll by excuse. if you see giant text that's obviously about that like you you people you know what's on those those screens there it's you're you can't you can't just act like you were just treating you can't treat it the same way you you treat content from your neighbor who's walking their dog down the street right yeah exactly so she's like well i want to make it clear that there's absolutely no excuse for liking anything that has any sort of um like offensive sentiment okay sentiment and i also want to make it clear to every single one of you that i denounce anything that's that maybe seems homophobic or transphobic or anything like that because i was just confused and i was shocked by what was being brought forward to me oh my god it's not cinnamon okay it's sentiment but also just fire her for that can we just fire her for not being able to pronounce eh and pronouncing it she's seasoning her excuse the cinnamon um cinnamon i wouldn't ever post something with bad cinnamon also by the way i think one thing that we haven't discussed is why also has gretchen not been prepared for this because the the the thread that is mentioned on this reunion quite a bit, is a thread that came up in 2023.

21:00It has been forwarded to us umpteen times. I've seen it with my own eyes. You've seen it with your own eyes. It's really long and really huge. I don't believe that someone went and doctored all those images. I believe that those are real. And what I'm trying to say is someone surely has brought this thread to Gretchen's attention. So even so, and in fact, it's probably why she unfollowed all those things. So why was she so, why this, this, oh, I'm surprised. Why are you so surprised when this is, this is clearly going around the internet? It had to have been brought to her attention at some point.

21:36Like, hey, Gretchen, you're liking all this stuff and everyone's mad at you right now. What's your response to this? Like someone had to say it. So she, like in my mind, I'm thinking if you get, if you get confronted with this on the TV show, normally it'd be like, you know what? I saw that and I was appalled by that and I unliked all those things because I was disgusted at my own behavior and it made me realize whatever excuse you're going to give how are you not ready with that? But I think that in her mind she was saying oh god I didn't think this was ever going to be brought up on TV and how do I handle this?

22:09She is ready for it. I don't know what you're talking about. She's extremely ready for it. She came with a plan. The plan was to act dumb and then blame Tamara for doctoring all these to blame Tamara. I guess that's what I'm saying. Like this excuse. I'm saying her excuses. I've scrolled around. Maybe I liked a couple of things. Oh, so you accidentally liked we teach gender ideology in school or it's normal for half of preteen classrooms to be gender questioning. Blah, blah, blah. You accidentally like something that says this is the trans influencer who went viral for flashing at the White House a couple of weeks ago about that.

22:47I mean, all this shit. you just accidentally you just accidentally like something on matt wash blog that you follow i'm probably still follow i mean come on no but what i'm saying is that like she's saying i was in such shock about these things it's like you can't give that excuse because like this was this is from 2023 like how could you you can't say that you're in shock because because it's been going around i'm just saying that she gave it when she says i'm just i was in such shock i didn't the reason why i didn't have a quick answer is i was so surprised by everything it's like you were not surprised this had to have come to your attention because she's lying she's a liar so she does her whole things and her whole bullshit and Andy's like well did you recognize any of the posts that you saw that Tamara showed you and she's like uh-uh no and Tamara's like well which ones are we talking about and Emily goes the bleep one which I mean that could have been any of them really and Tamara's like but you followed the account and she's like well I know that you said that I followed that account But at the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing.

23:48And I think we've all been guilty of scrolling mindlessly at night. And maybe I saw something and I liked it, not really looking at the content. Gretchen, it was like hundreds of, it's like multiple things, babe. It's not two things. Yeah, that's like me being like, oh, it was late at night. And I just like, you know, casually like some, you know, racist anti-black memes. But, you know, it was late at night. It was like, what? No. It doesn't work that way. And for the record, I did not do that.

24:22So Heather's like, well, I get that. But when you have a good friend that's sitting across from the table from you, who's so emotional and so invested in this and really doesn't want this to be true. I mean, I get it. You were shocked. But what was surprising to me is that the girls had had to say, go after Heather, follow Heather. OK, so you're not you're more upset that she didn't follow you to comfort you. than you are at the post. Like, this is just, this whole episode is fucking mind-boggling to me. Yeah, it is hilarious that that's her takeaway, which is like, I had to walk away from the table, a celebrity who has been on Reba McIntyre's show, bitch, and you still didn't follow me.

25:03That you saw a celebrity walking away and you didn't even ask for their autograph. If a celebrity falls in a forest in Amsterdam, does it still get people wanting autographs? A philosophical question for the ages. If a celebrity falls down, but nobody's there to hear it, were they a celebrity at all? Somebody check on Reba. If a celebrity falls down and no one is there to hear it, does that mean that they are just Wendy Malick?

25:35Oh, so Gretchen's like, but I was legitimately like, what? Wait, are they even serious about this? And also she seems completely benzoed out, right? She's like, yeah, I wasn't like, are they even serious? Like, who's saying this? Because fundamentally, this is not what I believed or who I was. Cinnamon. And Tamara's like, wait, she didn't know you were following all these hate accounts? Really? And Heather's like, I mean, there were just so many. And she's like, no, no, I didn't know. I didn't know what. You know, it wasn't just one. If it was just one, I would have rolled my eyes. You know, but the way it was presented to me.

26:17Yeah, it was 200. Get her, get her. Yes, 200. It's a lot. It's a lot. I mean, like, when it gets to be as many tweets as the number of auditions I have on a daily week, you know, it's mind boggling. That was a joke. And Gretchen's like, yeah, well, no, I followed a lot. And Shannon's like, well, there were 200? There were 200 on that feed? Well, yeah, she followed. She unfollowed over 200 accounts when she got back from Amsterdam. Which also proves how stupid Gretchen is. Because, like you said, she had been kind of in trouble for this off camera for so long. And she didn't unfollow until she got home from Amsterdam.

26:54She's like, she didn't bother unfollowing until she was like, oh, I guess they're going to call me out on this on TV. Yeah. So Shannon's like, well, but how do you know they're all, you know that they're all hate accounts? Yes, I know. And Jen's like, but you know what? You know, I'll tell you what. it taught me a lesson you know what i thought wow i really need to pay attention i mean who do i even follow who do i follow you know yeah i mean i need to pay attention to i had to make sure that i wasn't following someone with anti-asian shit on their thing but i didn't follow jen so i was safe um i love how jen's takeaway from every single season of real housewives of orange county is you know i realized looking back at the season i just have to pay more attention you know uh when i learned that I didn't have any money to my name, I just realized I gotta pay more attention.

27:41When I realized that Ryan had been sending dick pics to other girls, I just realized I gotta pay more attention. Girl, it's like the ultimate thing for Jen to say. Wow, you know what I learned? I really need to pay more attention. Thank you so much for your anti-trans posts. Thank you so much. You really taught me something. We all learned a lesson here today. You know what? Let's all lift Gretchen up above our shoulders. All I really want to do is learn in this life. Thank you, Gretchen. Thank you so much. thank you so much thank you thank you good old jan always learning i mean listen i gravely apologize if if i like something that was offensive or had offensive sentiment in it but i will say that the one post that was brought forward it was very upsetting to me it was very suspect to me it doesn't align with who i am it's like you are you gretchen i'm someone who doesn't believe in gay rights i mean i'm someone who believes in gay rights so tamra's like but then why would you follow people like that you know all this guy does is post stuff like that and she's like well right but i took steps to go and look at who i was following because i had like 4500 accounts or something i was following you know so like maybe that's my mistake i followed too many accounts and like maybe i didn't know what they were posting because you know i follow left wing accounts i follow right wing accounts and like back in 2020 when the election was going on that's why i followed those accounts yeah that's when you followed like the you know there was far right like the extremely far right hateful accounts like what is how is that an excuse it's like well it was political season listen i was just hating on gays and trans people it was It was the political season.

29:28I was just caught up in it. I was caught up in it. And he's like, well, it is a free country, by the way, and you can follow the right-wing accounts. You can follow whoever you want, and maybe you should follow the accounts at bravotv.com. All right, I'll throw in that. Okay, so Gretchen, tell me more. So Gretchen's like, true, and I will say it was a good lesson for me to learn. And so I went, and I rectified it, and I went and looked at a lot of the accounts I was following, and I was like, I do not stand for this. And I am not going to follow accounts that have this type of rhetoric. And I don't know why I initially.

30:02Do you say rhetoric too? Did I make you say rhetoric? Yes, you did. Because I've always pronounced it that way. That is my bad. And I'm sorry for brainwashing you. Well, I can just hide behind the fact that I was doing a Gretchen impersonation. It definitely was not Ben Mandelker pronouncing it that way. Definitely not at all. That's how I pronounce it. You know what's really terrible? For some reason, somewhere in the past three years, I cannot stop saying apropos as apropos. And that's not correct. I don't know where that came from that's good apropo of delving however, apropo rhetoric oh no, I said rhetoric right this is the best part and I interrupted you, so go for it let me get a running start and what I was going to say because it's a really salient point I'm not going to follow accounts that have this type of rhetoric I don't know initially I followed it but maybe they had a post about God Maybe they had a post about something.

30:58Tamara says, eh, I don't know. I can't tell you why because it's a lot of accounts. And the reason why I followed something and didn't follow something, I don't know. I'm just a girl. I just follow things that say nice things about God. I don't know why people are upset with me. I was just following nice posts about God. Oh, you're just such a fucking good person, Gretchen. I love it. I'm so sorry, guys. I like all these hateful posts because I love God. So sorry. Sorry you misunderstood that. And he's like, all right, let me help you out because you seem to be just doing all the wrong things.

31:36By the way, if you're following 4 ,500 accounts, it stands to reason that you're not seeing what most of these accounts are posting on a daily basis. There you go. It's a freebie, Gretchen. Run with that. What the fuck is this guy doing? This is so annoying. You know, this is really disappointing coming from him and Heather. Everybody else I could kind of understand, you know, because I don't doubt that they're not following a lot of these same accounts. But Andy and Heather are really killing me. Like, you know what, Andy? I guess you're a host and you don't I'm not expecting him to necessarily attack her and be like, you fucking homophobe.

32:10What the fuck were we thinking or anything like that? I'm not expecting that. OK, I'm not a crazy person, but at least don't stand there and help her out. Like, yeah, you probably didn't see him because you just follow so many accounts. Like, come on, sit down. just sit this one out, please. Jesus, she doesn't need any more help. Can I say something to you as long as Rondell Karam is acting like I am not an ally anymore? Can I say something that will absolutely not let Gretchen off the hook? I've known you a very long time. And all those times, you've never gotten a role on Malibu Country. So I think when you initially said that, that was a lie.

32:46But other than that, I think 14 years. You have never been anything but kind to me and my family. And I never believed that you were that kind of person. But I have people that I have had in my life for a very long time that I thought were that way and found out some very disturbing things that go against my family and my children specifically and everything I believe in and that it has shattered me. And I will tell you that what I've heard over the years, rumblings of this kind of rhetoric from you in different communities that I've always chosen to ignore. But when I saw all those posts and saw that you liked them, this is what worries me, Gretchen Rossi.

33:25When you follow a multitude of hate mongers, what you are going to see in your page is hate.

33:34Okay. I mean, nice monologue, but you basically just said, you just took a very long road to say, yeah, I've known for a long time you were like this, but you've always been nice to me. So stop following, stop liking shit so you don't get caught. That's what it sounds like to me. So Emily's like, well, she's saying like, you know, like ours, like dogs. That's what we get on ours because that's who we follow, dog accounts. Well, I'm saying this. Yours, Emily, yours is animals, Gina. Yours is Windex and other things that the maids need, et cetera, to clean my house. And I don't know. I'm assuming that Katie, I don't know what she sees, maybe just lies.

34:16and I see, I don't know, I see trips to Venice, et cetera. But Gretchen, you see hate. You see hate. Well, my page, my page is all fitness and possums falling in love and possums guarding trash cans and stuff like that. I mean, it shows what you follow. And Andy's like, well, mine's guys. I like Twinks and Housewives and like Diana Ross. It was pretty much the occasional Charo post. and heather's like yeah i have k decorating and folding okay and also how to fire a butler oh god i love those videos i love the heather follows folding videos i want to make fun of that but i too have seen my fair share of folding videos because i'm such a bad folder i really am you know i'm just one of the you're a bad folder go ahead no i don't I don't have anything to add to it.

35:13I'm just a bad folder. Sorry. You need to watch more videos. I have all of my staff watching them. And then I have videos of people trying to get past gates they don't have coast to and being electrocuted. It's hilarious. Oh, you know what I love? I love those videos of a dad coming home from the military and surprising their child. And then their boss gives them bowls to bring to Nobu. Oh, so heartwarming. But, Heather, you've got to understand, that was a small percentage of all the accounts I follow. There were a lot of posts, ma 'am. There were lots and lots of posts. And Tamara's like, well, last few days you've been unlocking problematic posts, huh?

35:53Huh? She goes, no, uh-uh. I told you guys. And Emily's like, wait, how do you know what she unliked and unliked? How does the internet work? You can see if people like things and if they unliked them, that is crazy. and Gretchen's like yeah that's a word and Tamara's like well because I printed out two days ago all the posts that she still had likes on and all but this one making fun of Dylan about being on the Bud Light can that's the only one that she's still liked by you Gretchen well Gretchen still left that one up she's still left that one up that's the one that Heather probably hates the most because she's friends with Dylan yeah I mean Gretchen's like that's where she draws the line she's like I can't fake it anymore I have to stand up for Bud Light I cannot have Dylan Mulvaney drinking Bud Light God forbid Andy's like Andy's like but wait isn't that a good thing like shouldn't she have unliked them I mean wasn't that the right thing to do Andy you're fucking killing me here the point is she's deleting them because it's the reunion and she doesn't want to be caught right not because she not because she had a change of heart and Shannon just turns to Gretchen like you didn't unlike the Dylan Mulvaney ones but she's no I did She goes, wait, did you unfollow or did you unlike?

37:06She goes, both. She goes, I can't follow this anymore. This is too complicated for me. Sorry. So Tamara's like. Oh, God. So Tamara printed out all this stuff. And Andy's like, okay, well, so she just went through and she unfollowed a bunch of things. Well, I appreciate the accountability. And it was a good lesson for me, which is if you have a reunion coming up, always unfollow the hate memes that you liked. That way you can like them again later. what what was the accountability heather the whole i didn't mean to and i just scrolled things that i had no idea what they were and liked hundreds of posts and these are deep fakes how is that accountability is this they're losing their minds on this i will say i mean listen i'm not going to say that housewives audiences are always the brightest okay but come on are we really this stupid i i will say this is what it really strikes me as in all honesty it strikes me as Heather, I think, really likes Gretchen.

38:03And I think Heather is looking for mental workarounds so that way she can still be friends with Gretchen because I think it's too devastating. I think it's almost too devastating for her to face this. That's what I really think is what's going on with Heather because I'm actually surprised too. I think it's really bad. I mean, it's your children here and it's what you stand for. It's like you just did an event in WeHo during the season. You have Dylan on your show. And the fact that she's sort of like looking for mental workarounds, it's, to me, it says that this is someone that she really, I think she's just having a really hard time reconciling the Gretchen that she thinks of, that she really adores, versus the Gretchen that is really sitting here.

38:52And I don't think she's really out of place yet where she can, she's able to kind of like, deal with that. I think that's very giving and kind of you to think that. I obviously disagree. I think that she's doing this because she thinks this is too dark. And honestly, you're talking about a lot of people in the country that feel like Gretchen feel, right? So there's not, this is not something crazy that Gretchen, these posts that Gretchen liked, these are not something that all of us are unfamiliar with. We see it as gay people. We see it all the time. We've heard it our whole fucking lives. And now it's kind of in vogue again to have these kinds of hateful thoughts to the point where they're not even hateful at all.

39:39They're just normal. And now you're just expected to stand by and listen to this shit every fucking day of your life as the racists and the homophobe take over. And that's just how it is. Bigots are kind of taking over right now. They're very in fashion and they're all patting themselves on the back. and if you go against it they will try and cancel your ass and that's just how it is like and i think that heather is not wanting to get into that she doesn't want to have to listen half that bravo audience at least is gonna i already saw a lot of the comments they were leaving on heather's um heather's instagram after the amsterdam thing when they were blaming them all for getting on heather i'm sorry they were blaming them all for going after gretchen without finding out that these posts were true like people are like they weren't true and you guys are going after gretchen you're being mean and calling heather's kids all sorts of names and i think that she's like i don't want to tangle with that side of the country right now it's not worth it to me and that is half our audience and i don't want to hear it and i think that that's where she's coming from and i don't know that i really blame her um i think but it is it is pretty disappointing if you're going to make your whole storyline about standing up for what's right and then you don't stand up for what's right because it's too hard.

40:55I think it could be a mix. I think there could be a genuine concern about that because it really is an issue. People are losing their jobs and they're losing a whole lot more because of bigots. Well, their rights, obviously, yes. But for people just for saying certain things when there's definitely some bigoted mindset out there in the country. So it could be somewhat fear-based. And I'm not saying this as an excuse, but like in terms of like how can someone be so strident about certain stances but then seems to be kind of almost looking for like when she says well at least you were accountable it's like she's looking for a way that she can justify maintaining some sort of like friendly relationship with with Gretchen and that's why I'm saying like I you know I think we all know we've we've all had people in our lives who are, you know, they are on different ends of the political spectrum and they do things that you're like, that's, you say, that's problematic to me, you know, but they stay in your lives because there's enough history and you know, you feel like you know who they are as a person.

42:00And you know, like, you're like, on one hand, you're like, I probably should, I should drop this person as a friend. I really should, because I'm actually like offended by them, but somehow they stay in your life in some weird way. And we all know it's like, you know, family members sometimes that can happen. Luckily, luckily none of my immediate family members have that. I have no issue with that. And I think that that's what's happening with Gretchen, with Heather, is that she's trying to deal with the fact that she's had this long friendship with Gretchen, that she's really enjoyed it. And I think that like, she's, I think she's just trying to figure out a way.

42:36But I think for us as outsiders to their friendship, it's like, how could you stand for these things? How could you have an event in West Hollywood? How could you have these radio shows and you have these children that you advocate for and that's all really wonderful that you do that but how can you do that and sort of be oddly forgiving to Gretchen? And that's really a hard pill to swallow. I mean, it's not even forgiving it. It's not even forgiving it because Gretchen's not apologizing for anything. She's just playing dumb and saying she never did any of that and Heather knows that that's bullshit.

43:09She knows she is. She knows she's a huge Trumpy. She's posting online with her hats and her this and her that and her anti-vax shit and all of this. Heather knows exactly who that is. And as far as people that we deal with in our own lives, of course. I mean, I talk about it all the time. I come from a very religious conservative family. I have these arguments all the time with people very close to me that I'm not dumping. But I am telling to fuck off every time we have those conversations. And I am trying to explain the other side to them. But when it comes to a friend, no, I'm not going to listen to this shit.

43:42Absolutely not. When it comes to my family, you don't choose your family. You make that work. But when it comes to friends and people I have in my life, there's absolutely no fucking way. And I think that a lot of this is just producer. I think production didn't want them to bring this stuff up in the first place. It's a huge can of worms. It's a huge mess, which they could have avoided by not bringing Gretchen back in the first place. When you know all those posts are out there, you ding-dongs. But instead, they're just going to pretend like, let's just whitewash this. Let's just get over it.

44:09And let's just turn this into a fun fight against Tamra. And I think it's disgusting. And Heather is a part of it. So sorry. She's, she's, she's just as bad in my eyes and I hate saying it, but you know, that's what I see. So fuck her too. I would have liked her. I would have liked her to have, to have been stronger against Gretchen. It was a little surprising that she was, she, she, she, she was, um, Her vibe was more like, I'm not upset. I'm just disappointed. And I would have liked her to be more like, Gretchen, I don't care what you say. You like these things. This is offensive to my family.

44:50And I really expected a lot more from you. And I felt like we didn't. I mean, we got that on the episode, on the episode itself in Amsterdam. But it was surprising that she was sort of soft on Gretchen, I thought, as well. well mandy too coming up with excuses and being like oh no but she did unfollow people isn't that the right thing to do she's doing great guys it's really it's just it's a mindfuck watching this honestly commercials here comes one right now

45:22so jen uh gretchen's like it was a lesson i don't subscribe to it and i don't align with it You subscribe to all of them and you align with all of those accounts. So whatever. I would – you know what? I would rather Gretchen just say, listen, these are my opinions and I'm sorry you don't like them. But I have a different political idea than all of you. And I think my right is a – whatever the arguments are for the anti-trans stuff or the anti-gay stuff, the religious arguments against anti-gay stuff, all of this that we're seeing every day. Every one of us is seeing this every day. I wish she would just have stood up for it and said, this is what I think.

46:00And I'm sorry that you guys don't agree with it, but it's nothing personal against you. These are my beliefs. I still wouldn't agree with it. And I still be yelling and screaming and pissed off over here. But at least you would have some nuts. I mean, grow some heels. You know what I mean? Be a real fucking person. If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. Just like I believe what I believe. And I'm ready for all the comments that are going to come at me and call me a reverse bigot and everything else that I hear whenever I go off like this. from religious nuts, I'm willing to take it.

46:29So fucking take it. If you have an opinion, then be willing to stand up and stand up for your opinion, you know? But this whole, I'm gonna do it and then just pretend I'm too stupid to understand what I did. And I'm the real victim here because you guys are calling me out. I mean, that's what we're hearing all the time now. If you call out bigotry, we're the bigots. Because how dare you? Oh, I thought you were the accepting ones, huh? But you don't accept my bigotry? You know, that's exactly what we're seeing here. And to see the gay person and the person who supposedly supports gay people bending to that.

46:59It's just gross. Like I don't know. I don't know what else to say. Yeah. No, it's upsetting. It's very upsetting. It's so upsetting. Obsetting. Forget about it. I have to keep my grammar. By the way, if you try to rob my house, I'm going to shoot you. That was in the headlines today. Mauricio threatening to kill people if they can do this. Great. I'm glad that that's like now I guess the discourse that's happening in public these days. I guess it's a top-down effect. so just to lighten it up a little bit thanks yeah yeah i actually also i mean i know we're trying to move on from this i also do think that there is a part like what you you touched on it which is that like probably heather just wants to move forward with this it's i think it's an uncomfortable situation for her that there's someone that is a friend of hers but the friend is also hateful and it's just like she doesn't want to i think deal with this right now on the reunion it is more fun it's more entertaining for the whole audience to talk about like you know grilling tamra about you know who who leaked what you know and so she's probably putting a nice little like well at least you took accountability you know showing that she's the reasonable one and you know like let's move let's move on also there's this like i also do think that there is this pressure on us to, you know, that people who are more left, lean left have been sort of put in this, put this label that we're like this totally irrational, left leaning, you know, mob who doesn't listen to reason, who doesn't listen to the other side.

48:40And that's always been our problem is that we're in our ivory towers and we don't understand the real world. So there is this like pressure to be like, okay, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. And I wonder if, if that is something that Heather is also catering to, which is like, you did something really hateful and I will give you some, okay, you did took some accountability. So I will, I will grant you that, but you know, I'm, you know, and so, you know, that's also frustrating that like, you know, we have to do that all the time because we've been accused of being totally, you know, not, we've been accused of not listening to the other side.

49:18But the truth is, I think like when you've been, if someone is saying, hey, like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna like this, I'm gonna like this meme that goes out to 100 ,000 people that advocates for someone's rights to be taken away, and advocates for someone to be viewed as lesser than, and then could lead to some to violence against a person could lead to me for it to be less safe for me to walk around on a street without getting punched in the face or even who knows what like i think you're allowed to say that's offensive to me without having to worry about like but i understand what you're saying like i don't know why we have to couch things when it comes to like rights yeah well that's what this whole fucking thing is it's like let's just ignore it so jen now we get jen spin okay jen who acts like the biggest dummy in the world comes with her spin to help out Gretchen.

50:10So she's like, well, but the post came from somewhere, right? So if you're telling us it wasn't you, then where did it come from? And Tamara's like, wait, the posts were real. And Gretchen's like, wait, you mean the original post? And Jen's like, yeah. I mean, where did that come from? Huh? Go ahead. Blame Tamara. That's what I'm setting you up to do right now. And Gretchen's like, well, that is a question. So when I went home, I hired a cyber analysis company and you, Heather, said to me, I need you to prove to me it's not true. So I did. I spent thousands of dollars. You should have sent that to that mother who still needs the child support that Slate hasn't paid.

50:48Getting a cyber analysis done on these posts. And you can see it's a 25-page report. The most egregious post is a fabricated fake post. Oh, God. Okay. Okay, Gretchen. So what about the other 199 ones? even if we believe you, which I don't for one second. And did they show which is the most egregious post? They didn't, right? They didn't. But I am wondering between the lie detector and this cyber analysis firm, I am wondering what's going on in Orange County with these online experts. So Andy's like, well, it's important to note that at the time, he's reading it now, he's like, at the time of our initial investigation, the most egregious and offensive post did not exist anywhere online.

51:34Our system detected it may be a combination of AI and some other image editing software, and the software is called Technological and Malevolent Ratio Antagonism, also known as Tamara. Whoa, who would have thought? We've been using software that's called, if you're going to use me, at least give me a taco. Okay? And it found that these posts are fake. And Tamara's like, wait a minute, did we even have AI three years ago? I mean, come on. And Andy's like, okay, leading to the conclusion that it's a manufactured post and could not be authenticated. Tamara's like, okay, well, it's probably a post that Instagram removed because it had the word, the F word in there.

52:20And so Gretchen's like, well, this third party cyber analysis company continued to do a lot of research on a lot of accounts that unfortunately were tied to Tamara. Was this third-party cyber analysis company the Liberace Foundation by any chance? Exactly. Exactly. They continue to do a lot of research on a lot of accounts that unfortunately were tied to Tamara. So are you saying that Tamara was the honeypot? Like she was coming up with far-right, horrible, like gay people are pedophiles. She was coming up with all these posts to like trick you into liking them so then she could use those later?

52:59because you've already admitted that you had to go and follow 200 accounts and unlike all of these things like we've already got that into evidence right where gretchen has basically said yeah and andy said she's doing the right thing by deleting all of these likes but now you're saying that these posts are faked so which is it yeah were they fake posts or were you tricked into liking the posts this makes no sense i wasn't really i think she was trying to say like no i'm not the like I'm not the one who likes hate accounts actually the hate accounts it's Tamara who's actually connected to them so Tamara's like oh my god I will sue your fucking ass and Gina's like what does that even mean I feel bad I can't follow and Gretchen's like okay then sue my ass no I have nothing to do with this nothing so Andy's like well how did you find that post like how did you find this and Tamara's like it's been cycling around social media for a long time bitch and it really has like Tamara is not lying about this it is I mean again The number of people that have sent it to us, it's staggering.

53:59It's for years. It's been for years. And it hasn't only been during this season. It's been a long, long time that Gretchen's been doing this shit. And everybody knows it, including Andy, by the way. So what? Where did this post come from? How did you even find it? And Tamara's like, well, it's been, it's been, it's been around. And Gretchen says it's not. And Shannon's like, well, you said it came from two teeth in a pod. No, no, she didn't. She said that it was a headline that iHeart sent them because it was going viral this season. But that post was from 2023. The one that compiled all of this stuff that they're talking about is from 2023.

54:38Yeah, I think that also, I think the mentality is, again, a lot of Bravo stars, a large chunk of them are conservative right wing. And a lot of them have gone and liked problematic posts. I mean, Corey Kiefer was up there liking anti-trans posts a few years ago that we caught that, we flagged that. And so I think the mindset is like, okay, we're casting people on these shows. They're from all different backgrounds. And really these shows are to show how different people from different backgrounds interact in many ways. And the byproduct of that is that some of these people like really problematic things.

55:17And I think they're like, okay, that's that. But I think with Gretchen, though, it was really like – it was a lot of it. And I think that the volume of it is what has been so shocking. It's just been – it's like a – it's a huge amount. Well, it's also not just liking Republican things. It's liking hateful, very far-right things, right? Extremist things. And I think also your point about a lot of these people, I mean especially on Orange County. This is Orange County we're talking about. These are the women of Orange County. So a lot of them, I think, are like, well, don't come after me. Like, shit, are they going to come through mine, too?

55:52Especially you've got Emily up there. You think she doesn't have a lot of Trumpy shit going on over there? She was reposting that, like, all those Save the Children, you know, QAnon posts a few years ago, too. So it's like they could all be caught. So I think they're probably doing like, OK, let's have an emergency session here and just save us all from this. Yeah, I think between Orange County and Utah and New Jersey, Southern Charm. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of right-wing, right-leaning people on Bravo. McBee Dynasty, hello.

56:33And the thing is, I don't think that either of us are offended by the mere presence of someone who's conservative or right-wing. I mean, like, you know, it's like we're here to see people of different backgrounds. But I think it's the fact that Gretchen, she likes so many of these, as you said, far right wing things that were really hateful and are about, you know, depriving people of their rights just to exist as a human. And that, and I forgot what the rest I was going to say, but I think you guys can know. I don't even have to explain why. Well, there's a difference. There's a difference between having a disagreement with someone politically.

57:08so it's not like saying oh fuck all republicans blah blah blah it's not that i mean people are gonna have different you're gonna meet people in life with different points of view and you have to fucking suck it up and be you're still gonna have to interact with people it's not that these are far-right hateful bigoted posts and if people are saying well that's just you're just disagreeing with me politically it's like oh okay so you're that whole side now is completely racist and bigoted i mean okay if you want to take that title that's fine but yeah i think you know it needs to be a distinction it's not like we're not talking about tax policies here you know right so um anyway so now they're arguing about where these posts came from so shannon's saying you said it came from your podcast and tamra's like well let me finish and gretchen says no it was just one twitter feed and tamra says okay well two years ago it came through to teddy and it because it was tweeted so gretchen's like wait two years ago and she goes well i don't know i can look up the up on my phone if you want the exact date that she retweeted it and she's like no but you said on that thing it was a year ago now you're saying two years ago oh so you haven't seen the post either gretchen it was posted in 2023 and it was a compilation of your post that went back years and years yeah okay so now they're trying to get her on the specific date tamra first saw it to get her and gretchen's like well you were the only person that knew anything no and she's like I wasn't the only person.

58:30It's been all over Reddit. It's been all over the entire internet. Right. And Gretchen's like, and Gina, I really like you, but it really was frustrating to me because I had someone call me and say that you were, you and her were plotting and planning together. Oh yeah, I know. And like, but you saw, you saw what you saw Gretchen. And the reality is she, she brought it up to me. I'm real mad. Gina doesn't plot. Yeah. Right. Tamara, Gina and Emily saying, oh yeah, we never plot. Okay. Then how do you explain having all of this information two weeks before you even brought it up? Isn't that a form of plotting?

59:05Well, let me ask you this, Tamara. Why, after you made up with her several times, did you bring it up at the end? Tamara's like, well, when did I bring it up, Andy? She's like, in Amsterdam. No, I didn't. I brought it up at night after and stayed right after me. Which is true. Tamara told Gina this after that country, whatever that thing was that they did, that event. And so she told Gina in Orange County, and then Gina just sat on it and decided to wait until the big trip, which is also pretty shitty of Gina. She's like, oh, I felt bad. And this is like waiting on me. I was like, really? So you waited until it was a group scene two weeks later.

59:43And also you waited until right after they made up. So now you're going to destroy this fragile truce that you claim that you want so badly. Exactly. But I don't plot. So Andy's like, okay, but you said you resolved everything with her. And then you two, pointing to Tamara and Gina, had talked about bringing it up. And Heather's like, so why didn't you tell Gina to squash it? And Tamara's like, yeah, you know, any time I bring anything up, it's like, oh, God, here Tamara goes. Here she comes with some poison. And Emily's like, but you did bring it up. And I'm saying what doesn't make sense to me is that you've had this for a long time.

1:00:21That is true. That's a good point. But it's also a good point that you knew for two weeks too, Emily. You knew as well as Gina and you also didn't do anything. So I think it does go to show that Tamara, you know, has just been sitting on this and waiting until she could use it to her advantage. This entire reunion is – But it also shows that you did too, Emily. This is like that Spider-Man meme where they're all pointing at each other. All the Spider-Men. They're all pointing like, but you, but you, but you. So Andy's like, okay, so you said you knew about it for two years. and Tamara's like, yeah, well, I found about it two fucking years ago and I never thought about it again until recently when you came on the show.

1:00:57And Tamara's like, oh, no, that's bullshit. Yeah, you want to figure out how to weaponize it against me and harm me and hurt me? That's what you did. You used it against me. You used me like I hate tweets against me. So Tamara's like, then why did I bring it up the first day of them, bitch? Because I don't know, Tamara. Well, I'll say why you didn't bring it up, which is because you didn't think you had to – that was the nuclear option. and you're like, I'm not going to do the nuclear option on the first day, right? Because we have a whole season, you know? Right. We need a finale. But I also think production was like, we're not bringing this up.

1:01:28Because everybody in production knew that this was going on. And I think they were like, we're bringing Gretchen back. We just want to bring her back for the old fun of fighting with Tamara. But we don't want to bring all this stuff onto the show, so don't do it. And now I think it makes them look all like assholes that they didn't bring it up. But they are kind of assholes for not bringing it up because this is crazy. Well, I don't think that it was even supposed to be. I don't think that Tamara's like, I'm going to save this for the finale. I think Tamara got to a breaking point because Tamara now has this narrative that Gretchen's been coming after her for 15 years.

1:01:56The truth is it was Tamara who was always going after Gretchen. But I think she was so fed up and she just decided, you know what? I am doing the nuclear option. I don't care. But if I do the nuclear option, people won't really believe it. It won't have the same gravitas because I've used up all my credibility because I'm in this endless feud. so let me give it to some dumb dumb to do it for me gina get over here yeah exactly because gina is the person who would walk into the oval office and be like oh my god look at that nice red button oh my god oh my god i just sent off a bunch of nuclear weapons i feel bad i feel bad the code and it turns out the code was i feel bad all i had to do was enter that into the football sorry so Gina's like well I think she brought it up in retaliation Tamara says well why is that changing that you're a homophobic bitch uh-uh I'm not you know it I just went to a gay bar this year yes you are you are so gross yeah but then you but when you say tied to Tamara what does that mean though what does that mean that these tweets were tied to Tamara like she made it up is that what that means no that's not what I said.

1:03:08There's a Twitter feed that Tamara happened to have on her phone that night and she was like, look at this. And that Twitter feed, that was the only feed it was on. It has not been anywhere else but on your Twitter feed. And she's like, Gretchen, it's all over Reddit, bitch. It's all over Reddit. She goes, oh, well now it is because you started putting it everywhere. No, no, that's a lie. You're a fucking lie. You're a fucking lie. You're not. Do you know how many DMs that people have sent me that you're the one that's out putting that into the press? Girl. So now you have. So you're getting you're getting a lot of stuff from bloggers saying that Tamra is the one telling them.

1:03:51Why are they communicating with you so much? Miss lady who never talks to bloggers. And she's like, do you know how many people are saying that? Oh, my God. Can someone just buy this woman a G? For Christ's sake. I'd like to buy a consonant. She can't even do it right. She can't even do Wheel of Fortune right. She's like paying the wheels. Like you don't have to buy the consonants. I'd like to anyway. She's like I'd like to sound the puzzle. Trans people. We're going to stop you right there. The first word is pants, not trans. I would like to pay for G because that's the gay and the LGBTQ whatever.

1:04:29And I support them. I would like to donate money for a G. Can I say one more thing to Gretchen? Because I really want to say this to you. In hindsight, was this something that I felt I needed to bring up? Yeah, because it was something that was brought to me, and it was a little disturbing to me, and I wish I had brought it up to you, not at a dinner table. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel, I don't know. It's not so much remorse. It's not so much sadness. It's like, I guess you could just say, I'm your man. I'm your man. So now not only are they going to let her off, they're going to apologize to her.

1:05:15I'm sorry I embarrassed you. If this isn't fucking dark enough. I'm so sorry I brought up your hate posted dinner. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that when you liked all these things that advocated for the removal of rights for a segment of the population, that I approached it in a way that made you feel uncomfortable. I apologize. Unbelievable. And Gina's like, yeah, I'm sorry for doing that at dinner. I was like, thank you. I appreciate it. Because I thought you and I had a good enough relationship that you could talk to me. And if you knew a couple weeks or maybe a month before, I wish you'd brought it to me because I feel so blindsided and ambushed.

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