#3156 RHOP S10E14 Part One: Troubled Waters

0:20Well, hello, and welcome to Watch What's Crappin's, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today, as always, from an Airbnb that has running water, it's Mr. Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Well, hello. I'm in my rich, rich house. You're in the Airbnb. Gotta get it straight. Don't get it twisted. We are talking Potomac today, in case you couldn't tell. I am here in beautiful New York City. That's why we have a tall building outside here, this window. If you're on Craps on Demand, you can see it. If you don't, then you're wondering, why does my mic sound a little different?

1:00It's because I've got my travel mic. We've got a big, exciting week of shows this week. We have today Potomac. We've got Married to Medicine today. And then either today or tomorrow, it depends on our stamina, we have more episodes of The Traders to catch up on because, holy crap, this season is so good, so good. And we only talked about the first episode on Friday. So there's more traders to talk about. But of course, the big thing that we dropped last week is that the tickets for the Golden Crappies are now officially on sale. That will be on February 27th in Los Angeles at the Fonda Theater.

1:36Planning is underway. We are going to have special guests. We're going to have great comedy. Well, I won't ever guarantee great comedy. I think it's always a curse when you guarantee great comedy. But we'll have great fun and shadiness. And it's the time to bring the whole community together. So if you are a Bravo fan or if you're just someone who enjoys something fun to do on a Friday night, then come see us. We're going to have a great time. We love it. Tickets are on our website, watchrecrappins.com or on our social media at watchrecrappins. I just posted something on Reddit. We'll get something up on social media too, soliciting ideas for the ballot because it's really hard to think back on all the amazing moments and quotes and things.

2:15anything that you feel like should be on the ballot for the golden crappies go check it out go contribute to that reddit thread or and that's on the watcher crappins it's not an official reddit reddit you know it's not the official reddit of watcher crappins but it's like the fan community that popped up there um and help us out because i think it's gonna be super fun and we'll let you know when voting starts also guess what ad free is available on patreon so if you want to listen to our podcast without advertisements, you can sign up at Patreon. Patreon.com slash watchworkrappens. That was a lot to talk about, but it was all really important.

2:51I would actually say it was probably the most important news you will hear all month or even all year. Sorry that I took two minutes, but that was like world-changing news right there, okay? Okay, so today we're on to Real Housewives of Potomac Season 10, Episode 14. Amazon live today also Amazon live today also sorry Amazon live 4pm every Monday link in bio on our Instagram sorry Potomac Potomac now I was excited for Angel because this is where Angel really gets to shine she's had a rough season all the ladies have been coming for her it has been really rough and now she gets to be like welcome to my mansion in colorado you evil jealous hags look at everything i have look at my black uh wooded walls which are so gorgeous by the way look at my fireplace look at my 36 acres suck it ladies man did she fall on her face i feel so bad now when i say i feel bad for her she did dig her own grave and then lied down on it in it inside of it but gosh i was rooting for you, Angel.

4:10I really was. Not even sarcastically. I was really rooting for you. I wasn't rooting for you, but I do. I actually genuinely feel bad for her about that Airbnb because it seems like I don't, that's just like embarrassing. And you have someone like Giselle who is so mean about it. I mean, it sucks. I would be annoyed. I would be pissed off. I'm like, really? We're sequestered away from other people. There's been like a, the cool people get to go into the beautiful house that was, you know, in Dwell or wherever, maybe it was Architectural Digest. And the rest of us are in this thing an hour and a half away where there's no water.

4:45I mean, I would be pissed, but Giselle is so mean about it that I'm like, I don't know, I kind of felt bad for Angel about that. But then at the same time, Angel is so Angel that like whatever goodwill or whatever pity I have for her kind of goes out the door because, and the window, Honestly, anything that leads to the outdoors, it's going that way because she's such a flop at all times. Angel, oh my God. Truly, really just flip-flopping all over the floor like a fish that just got caught. She was so proud of those guys. I mean, we'll get into it. Oh, those guys were terrible. Those guys were horrible.

5:21Oh my God, I was horrified. The whole thing was terrible. So, wow. And just her instincts are terrible. like have the ladies over shit talk the ladies to all the guests so that the guests hate the ladies by the time they get there which is obviously what literally what happens um then you seat them at a table all the like an acre away so they couldn't be around the real guests so she's just like every decision every instinct she had was just incorrect it was incorrect it was incorrect and i feel like i feel like monique has a like a fairly accurate read on her I won't say it's like the most accurate because I think every relationship is different, but there's definitely a weird energy that Angel has around Bobby.

6:05And I'm not even saying that Bobby is like Chris Samuels, but I feel like Angel seems very wrapped up with status by the fact that she keeps on name dropping or status dropping or whatever the equivalent is of saying that she's an elder wag and Bobby was a starter. And this is my friend who's a high tier investment money manager. super high wealth super yeah like hi well like everything is a brag like that or they're their friends yeah and it makes me wonder if like i think maybe what what monique is picking up on is that insecurity and so it's not even i don't know what the status is of i don't know enough about bobby to know what what really is going on with him but the very least she's obsessed with status.

6:51And Bobby has a big, big piece of status. And I think she's very worried of losing Bobby and losing some status and traction in whatever world she thinks she's in. And I think that's what Monique is picking up on. It's just sad. I don't know what Monique's doing, but Monique is completely in the wrong too. Who does that? Who goes and just says, oh yeah, that's an abusive husband right there. I can tell. Like, oof. Yeah. Not a great move on her part either. I thought that wasn't really cool like stop projecting your shit onto me and yes i know that i'm a hypocrite because that's literally what i do here all day long but um but then we wouldn't have real house wives if they didn't project all their dysfunction onto everyone else because that's what they all do that's what they all do at all times because that's what i do but still i was like that's so rude who does that so anyway let's start at the beginning so everybody is sitting around uh and angel has just confronted them because giselle keeps saying oh really like i get the little room Oh, fine.

7:50Then let's talk about your evictions, because I've got some more information, but I'm not going to say yeah. And so Angel's like, okay, well, one thing we're not going to do is bring this negative energy over my threshold. I've been in, well, I've been in Architectural Digest. How dare you? You tell me right now, or you won't get to see my kitchen. She's so concerned about negative energy entering her threshold when she has those, like, three lumps of men just sitting there in those Adirondack chairs, not saying anything to the women so rude later in the episode. And she's worried about these women being negative.

8:22Excuse you. Yeah. So she's demands. She's like, I am in a cowboy hat. Who has more information? And Wendy's like, well, I guess what I heard about you was that a friend of mine who is a real estate agent said that you called her and said you were moving to the area and you want a property to look like it's$14 ,000 a month, but you're only able to pay$1 ,000 a month. Okay. Well, first of all, I say, who doesn't say that when I go shopping? I want something that looks expensive and it's$5. I mean. Yeah, I do have to say that like when this information first came into evidence a few weeks ago, I was like, oh, gosh, Angel is so busted.

9:07But then when you find out that this person is saying that Angel wanted to only pay a thousand a month, I was like, wait a second. I don't believe that at all. The reason why is that's such an, for a family of four to go, to want to pay, like, you can't, like, you can't get, like, a one bedroom, I feel like, for, like, a thousand a month. And so, I just feel like that's such an unreasonable request that, like, even I don't think Angel said that. Like, I just, I think Angel. I mean, especially in, like, a Tony area. No, there's no way. No one's that stupid. and I think if she said that she was saying it like, okay, I want it to look like it's a million dollars, but I don't want to pay a million dollars, which is another thing to say.

9:48Yeah, exactly. But yeah, they're making it this huge deal and no one thought she was going to get a place for$1 ,000. That's just stupid. And Giselle's like, well, that lady, Angel's like, well, nothing is$1 ,000. And Tia says, well, she sounds like an awful realtor and I'm saying that it's a princess. And Giselle's like, no, because she said she didn't want to work with her. She will not work with somebody who will only spend$1 ,000. And so Wendy's like, actually, she's the willy-willy good willy-ter. So suck on that. Yeah, and Wendy's basically like, the willy-ter has no reason to lie on you.

10:22Plus, she's not the only one that said this before. Well, then just say, give us more information then, Wendy. Don't leave us hanging here then. So Angel is like, well, I don't know if she was upset because it didn't work out, because she didn't find us a property. And Wendy's like, oh, so you do know who I'm talking about? She's like, oh, she does know who you're talking about. Oh, she does know who you're talking about. And Angel's like, I do. She's like, well, I'm, Angel's basically like, I'm paying$14 ,000 for this house. Trust me. I'm like really bothered. Like, I don't like it. I am paying$14 ,000.

10:53Yeah, how dare you? I'm paying the money. And also Angel, first of all, one thing Angel is paying for is PR. Because Angel has been on every podcast and every interview show. I mean, she's on everything. I'm surprised she hasn't popped up on QVC or the Bible channel because she has been on everything I've seen. And listen, I haven't listened to any of it because it's Angel. Like, I don't know who thinks like, you know what? We need to up our ratings this week on this podcast. Get Angel. Get me. Seriously. I see the little clips they post all over the Internet. And in one of them, she's saying now that house was fourteen thousand five hundred dollars.

11:28And I have the Airbnb listing to show you to prove it. So I don't want anyone thinking that I was trying to pay a thousand. So whatever. Apparently, she brought the Airbnb receipts. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. I believe her. That's like, to me, of all the things, like, this is one. This is an easy thing to believe. I don't believe that was her natural face on that photo on her Instagram earlier in the season. But this thing I do believe. So then Stacey's like, well, why can't we just call the agent? I mean, since you know who it is, why don't you just call her and say, why did you lie on me?

12:07Why don't you call her? And Angel's like, no, no, no. And Wendy's like, oh, okay, so now you want to make calls? Because you didn't want to make calls when we asked you to call TJ. Well, that was different. You know, with personal relationships, you might need to pause and think about when you want to call. But with business, you call and straighten things out. So why not in this moment? I was like, no, sorry. Wendy got you on that one, Stacey. And wasn't TJ business too? so angel's like well my business is slated to open in 2026 and that's happening and if someone wants to spread lies about me about the ceo of wanderland which i've talked about like it is an open business for a whole year and now we're finding out it is not an open business i hope that they make some lives better than me wanting to spend a thousand dollars a month on a house okay because i was under the impression wanderland was open you know i think it is open i think she was trying to expand into Potomac.

13:03So maybe that's what she meant by it. Oh, okay. But also, it's a Potomac. It's a Real Housewives of Potomac business, so you never really quite know what's going on. I just don't see how lucrative that is. Guiding a few people through the wilderness for a few days to touch crystals doesn't seem like it's going to, I don't know. I think you need to aim bigger for football money. Also, it's like, I think what's so funny about Angel is that she talks about this, this is obviously an important part of her life. Crystal's meditation, affirmations, wellness, but it really only seems to be part of her when it's convenient on camera.

13:45You don't look at her and say, oh, this woman is all about this, because it doesn't really seem to come out of her personality. It feels like she does it, but it's just funny that she is actually professionally involved in it because it just doesn't seem like it flows out of her. It reminds me of on Next Gen New York City when Ava was like, looked at Ariana Bierman and was like, you don't strike me. You don't look like you would be someone who is a fashion designer, right? Like Ariana may like fashion and may want to do fashion, but like there's nothing about her that oozes like that you're, this is part of like your, the fabric of your being.

14:20And so it's just so surprising to me that this is the path for Angel because it's like, we'll go episodes on end and then suddenly she's like oh let's do a wellness thing you know but where did this come from you know well it seems like a very um i'm i'm not from here but i'm gonna pretend i'm from here kind of thing like i've lived here long enough and now i'm a local like when people move to la and they're like yeah i do yoga now and i've been to a celebrity center i'm from la you know and then they become really like hoo-ha or whatever and i think maybe she's coloradoing that like what could we do in colorado people have crystals and spirituality and hiking and it's like yeah but you know do you i don't know i feel like she likes it she does it like you know like i like yoga but no one's gonna look at me and be like oh my god ben is like he speaks of yoga and should start a yoga business i'm a yogi i should start a yoga business come to my sound bath you'd probably make a million dollars if you didn't like mix the things you really love like yoga and bagels fuck yeah like you you can do yoga but it's like the easier kind.

15:23And then we all go have a bagel together. You want to know something really exciting this Thursday, which of course is bagel Thursday, as is every Thursday, but this bagel Thursday, it also happens to coincide with national bagel day. That's right. I'm so excited. And I'm in New York for it. I get to have a New York city bagel, a national bagel day on bagel Thursday. See, now that's something that moves out of my, that see that's coming out. Like you look at me and you think bagel, right? Yeah, I'd give you$10 ,000 to follow you around for that, watching you talk about bagels. I would 100 % lead a bagel tour in Los Angeles.

15:58100%. And I would gladly accept payment for that. You're like, here's Hanks and Pops. The end. So much more. Anyway, I don't even know why I'm making this point about Angel. This almost feels like an unnecessary point, but it's just what happens. but i why are we talking why am i why am i all revved up about angel and because bagel thursday is national is coming up that's why when is national run out when is national run out of water in your airbnb day yeah exactly last night oh so they're still squabbling over this thousand dollar thing the ladies don't really believe it it is like well angel doesn't strike me as cheap It just sounds out landish.

16:44$100 ,000 isn't going anywhere. Anyway, but maybe in Nebraska. Angel's like, okay, well, everyone, let's have a mindful moment. I hope I cleared everything up. I don't care who doesn't believe it. It doesn't matter to me. And she's like, ooh, that wasn't the mindful moment. And so there's this, we have like this mindful guide who's like basically Gia Judas. She's Colorado's Gia Judas. She is Gia Giudice. And she talks like her way of talking. I wouldn't trust her. She's like Gia Giudice if Gia Giudice was at like a Christian youth camp. Like, hi, guys. Aren't we happy to be here today to celebrate Jesus?

17:27Yes. Okay. Let's get some breath into our muscles and some Jesus into our souls. Okay. Stretch it. The energy. I'm trying to meditate. Get this child out of here. Get her out of here. Go back to your ticky-tocky. I'm trying to do some yogi. Yes. So they all start to move out to the balcony to do some mindful meditation. But before they do that, Giselle turns to Stacey and she's like, so how is TJ? Giselle tries so many times this episode to get other people to be messy. Like so many times. I mean, how many times does she ask Wendy to call the realtor? But this episode and last episode, right? She was trying so hard.

18:10It's too much. It's very like Heather from Salt Lake City. It's like, I get that you think that this is your job, but it's you're overdoing it. You know? Yeah. Calm down a little. So Stacey's like, you know how TJ is? Giselle is funnier. Oh, yeah. She's like, I don't know how TJ is, but I do know how Timo is. So now they all go out to the balcony. I love that guy. He's full of so much personality. he's been making oval squarish rectangular ish roundish pizzas with no cheese or sauce isn't it sexy they go out to the balcony and they all sit on mats for like this meditation everyone except for angel who like sits on like a ac unit or something it was so bizarre she's sort of sitting above them watching down and they are, they're gathering there and Bianca, the fake GioJuda's mindfulness instructor is like, okay, everyone, we're going to settle in.

19:14Here's some organic lavender. Okay. Okay. So we're going to set an intention for the rest of your trip. Take a moment to relax your shoulders for a second. If you happen to be sitting on an air conditioner, please just let your butt settle into the grooves of the vent. Okay. And now let's talk Talk about intentions. Starting with, let's see. Let's start with, oh, first let's do some jazz hands. They start shaking their hands, start doing jazz hands. And Stacey is like, I did not fly to Colorado to do jazz hands while Angel sits and watches us. I'd rather have champagne than do yoga. And I know that I'm a yogi, and I shouldn't say that, but this is just where we are.

19:51This Bianca check, oh my gosh. She's like, okay, guys, take a second to relax your shoulders. Do a little shoulder roll. You better do a little shoulder roll. Yes, you better do it. It's like, why are you talking like this? What is wrong with this person, Bianca? I was so annoyed with Bianca this whole time. She's like, give me some jazz fingers. Yes, jazz fingers. Not the jazz fingers. Am I right, ladies? It's like, can we just, can we kid pop? Can we just get through this? Thank you. So yeah, Stacey's like, I didn't fly here to do jazz hands. And Bianca's like, you see how you feel? a little buzzy because we're getting a little we're letting go of that energy oh my god where is that energy going bye energy see you energy oh my god not energy leaving and so kieran is crying again because she's high on some sort of pill and she's in low altitude and then um now it's like time to set an intention angel is like guys i would love for all of us to set an intention so bianca's like i love that idea we have to point out angel's not even sitting on the ground okay i know everyone else has to sit on the ground angel is sitting on some outdoor air conditioner or some shit and just watching them and they're like why the fuck doesn't she have to sit on the ground why are the rest of us stuck on the ground and this is i think goes back to the point of angel doesn't even do this you know yeah that's what i'm saying it's like i'm not sitting on the fucking ground no yeah i just think it's so odd yeah and like sitting on the ac unit you You know?

21:23So Angel's like, well, my intention for this trip is just to get to know you ladies on a deeper level. Oh, my God. They get to know you. You'll get to know me, and I'll get to know you. I was like, oh, gosh. And Ashley is like, Angel has said repeatedly that she wants to get to know the other ladies in the group. And then we see the montage of her, like, a million times. I'm really looking forward to getting to know you and for you to get to know me. I'm like, Angel, we know you now. It's not getting any better. Yeah. And she's like, well, hopefully she puts her money where her mouth is because we really want to get to know her.

21:58Hopefully she admits that her husband hates her and that she's broke. So Stacy's like, my intention for this trip is to be present and to enjoy you guys because I'm tired of fighting. I would like to enjoy you a little. Wow. I don't need any of your intentions. The season is over. Just get up and fight. I don't want to meditate and I certainly don't want to watch you meditate. Yeah. Ashley's also her intention is to pull back more layers and laugh and realize it's not that deep and Wendy also says that she just wants to have fun they don't have a lot of time together let's have fun and Tia's also like I want to get to know everyone better everyone's saying these really nice things and it gets to Giselle and she's like okay my intention have a room with a bathroom

22:46not having this Angel's like well Giselle's made it her entire life's mission to criticize me into nitpick and that's what she wants to do then let her let her do it with her no water no running water and her twin bed so later on is gonna be a hoedown and uh yeah we better bet it's gonna be a hoedown yes okay you can leave Bianca you can leave not a hoedown talk about it hey this hoe is down am I right of altitudes. Pimp up, ho down, am I right? God, this was fun, guys. Leave, Bianca. Bianca's like, well, fuck you all. I'm taking your water. So, Kierna, they're all excited for the ho down, and Kierna is like, hi.

23:33And they are talking about their arrangements and everything, and Giselle is once again bragging about how she when she took everyone to Nevis, you know, she made sure everyone had their own room and it was beautiful and their own bathroom, even Stacy. Yada, yada, yada. So she's still very salty about these arrangements. She's like, so I expected Mrs. Wondernuts to do the same.

24:02Wondernuts. So they're like, so Giselle, are you still leaving? And Kieran is like, I don't know if I would. It's really dangerous out there. It's really, really so dangerous. Why am I crying? Giselle says there's a hotel. And Wendy's like, uh-oh, she's willing to go to a hotel, you guys. But the hill, and Kierna just says again, but the hill was so dangerous. I wouldn't go to the hill. The hill's very, very dangerous. The hills are alive with the sound of music. Kierna laughs. She has probably no idea what the reference is. She's like, so, okay, well, Kierna, you need to lay down. Angel, I think you need to take your friend or whatever.

24:40So they're basically trying to make arrangements to be like, okay, we got to go take a rest. And it turns out Kierna is going to Angel's house. That was a thing we were confused about. We were like, why isn't Kierna going? But she is going. And Monika's like, how many bedrooms is your house? She's like, well, it's six. But unfortunately, a lot of them are used. Bobby uses one for his man cave. And the bunk room is Bobby's man cave too. And then there's a kitchen, which is Bobby's man cave. And we have a nice foyer, but that's his man cave. So unfortunately, it's all used up. lots of, lots of man case for Bobby.

25:16You better work at man. Bianca, get in your car and drive away, drive away, Bianca. By the way, we find out that those, if Bobby's friends are staying in the house also, which I don't know if we'll ever find that out. But if those, if those guys are staying in the house, I'm going to give a big raised single eyebrow and go, Hmm, Hmm, because you're telling me that you took up bedrooms for those, those guys who wouldn't even stand up and say hello to the women. But this is pure conjecture, but I like getting mad on pure conjecture. Well, six bedrooms. Okay. How many kids does she have? She's got a lot of kids, right?

25:48Three at least. I forget. I don't count the kids. I'm not really a kid counter. Sorry. But she's got, let's say she has three. So she's got at least two bedrooms for the kids. She's got one for her and Bobby. She's got one that's like a bunk room. So that still would only leave three bedrooms, which is not enough. So, but even, even without having the room in the house, getting them a place an hour away is crazy. It's an hour and a half, actually. It's cray-cray. It is cray-cray. They did mention that the Airbnb was in Littleton, right? Didn't they mention Littleton at one point? But I don't know.

26:23Someone's got to do a map. We got to see what the distances are. But I feel like in the past, when people have invited people to stay in their houses, it has always worked out. Because people have big-ass houses, and people share beds and stuff. and I just feel like when people have gone on cash trips to people's homes, like to Camille's place in Colorado on Beverly Hills, or to, there was another Colorado place, I think they say that, unlike Dallas, and anytime anyone goes to Colorado is what I'm saying. They don't. You're like, Colorado has this space. I've seen it on housewives. when they went to Monique's house in, um, you know, that's where they, they went, they had a trip where they went to Monique's house, like her other house.

27:12Um, the husband's not there with the kids get Bobby and the kids out of there. You know, it's like, send them on vacation, have them get a friend or something, you know, like the kids, the kids have that opens up to room. Well, no one wants to stay in the kid's room, but you know what I'm saying? Like there's a way to do it. I feel like it's not like everybody's dying to wait. wake up and look at Angel's face. You know what I mean? They're not like, oh my God, we don't get to spend more time with Angel. I think it's more like, you dragged us all to Colorado to advertise your wander butts and to like show everybody, to show the TV how gorgeous your house is, but you're treating us like shit.

27:47Like you're not treating us, you're treating us like an afterthought and you're just using the show to kind of like promote your own bullshit. And, you know, fuck off. And it's like, if they were like 20 minutes away or 15 minutes away, I think it'd be okay. but they really are so far away. And it is weird. Like, you can get them, you can just get them a regular Airbnb. I feel like this cast, for as much as this cast has come up, Potomac is definitely one of those shows that has, like, a rich history of, like, bad Airbnbs. So, like, you can pull it off. Yeah. So Angel's like, well, the other rooms are for Kieran and Tia.

28:22And Monique said, or Jazzy's like, so when did you and Tia get so close? Which I think is a good question. But listen, she needs to get some friends. So Tia's like, well, she's been very kind to me. And because she and Angel are super close, it was like an automatic connection there. You know, Angel only has two extra bedrooms. What's the problem? Because, like, who else would go, right? Like, who else would Angel invite? If she has room for two people. Anybody would be questionable, right? Because she's not friends with anybody. She's not friends with anyone. It's not going to be Giselle. It's not going to be Ashley.

28:59You know, Angel said this sort of nice thing about Wendy. Like, I think generally, like, I generally like you. That does not qualify you to be in the main house, though. Right? And then after that, it's not going to be Stacey. I don't think she even has a relationship with Stacey of any, like, noteworthiness. Right? I actually think she should have invited Monique. Because I'm surprised she didn't pull the WAG card. And be like, from one WAG to another, come stay in my house. Yeah. So Angel's like, okay, let's go. So some of the girls are going, you know, and so they get in the truck, and Kierna and Tia are getting in the truck, and she's like, well, if that girl really said what Wendy said, she said, that's bad.

29:41She's like, oh, that is still unprofessional. She's like, very unprofessional. That is a very bad realtor. Very, very bad. Cut to Giselle. So, Wendy, do we want to call the agent? Let's call the agent. Let's get her on the phone. Let's hear her. Come on. no, come on. Wendy's like, uh, I'm not calling her. Let, let Angel do that. She's like, she's like, I'm not getting dragged into this mess. Giselle more than I have. Okay. More than me. The ones who started it. Well, she started, but she started it in the beginning. But then what's going to happen is, is that Wendy will get blamed for calling the realtor when it was Giselle who really wanted to do it the most.

30:17Yeah. I think Wendy's just like, I'm not doing the work. I'm tired. She can do it. I've passed the baton. I'm exhausted. and Monique's like okay so what was she saying I'll call her she goes yeah she's like I'm not calling her so Ashley's like okay well that's fair well you wouldn't be so defensive about the word eviction if you weren't evicted yes you would if I was leaving an Airbnb and someone accused me of being evicted yeah I would be like I wasn't evicted but I love that Giselle takes that as this huge piece of evidence so we go to Angel's truck And Kierna says, well, first of all, for professional reasons, I'm extremely unprofessional.

30:58It's extremely bad. And Angel's saying, like, well, Giselle was mad because she thought she had a gotcha, but really it made her look stupid again because I keep my business tight. These issues that they have, they are made up and they're based off of jealousy because let me tell you something. They hate the house, but that house is a$1.6 million house that they are staying in. That's like wag money right there. It speaks of ingratitude, wagless ingratitude. And she goes, now listen, I'm a humble lady, which I was cracking up at. Because in the other scene, when they were like, oh, you only want to spend$1 ,000.

31:35And she goes, let me tell you something. My very, very rich, rich ass did not. She said something like that. And then it cuts to her like, yeah, listen, I'm a very humble lady. And I'm not sure where this energy is coming from. But I'm an eternal optimist, Wanderland. wonderland if there's anything i have picked up from angel all season long is that she is an eternal optimist that's what i always think of when i see her smiling face every single episode not being a wet blanket i'm like there's an eternal optimist if i've ever seen one yeah and uh so tia's like well angel i know that obviously it was a given that k would be in your house but i feel so special that i would include it so thank you so much do you have a whole bunch of stuff walking through your garden or backyard or property or anything like that tell me tell me right now what to be afraid of she's like well we've got bobcats um and plenty of snakes and she's like rattlesnakes yes rattlesnakes boa constrictors um we've got the snake from um jungle book that is actually bigger than a mountain that could eat you so be very good like, what the fuck am I staying here?

32:47Who brings me to a house with rattlesnakes and bobcats? I know. Also, something just occurred to me. Isn't Angel's whole thing that we wanderlust is that we lead people on these, like, wellness retreats, right? So one must assume they keep people in a place for the wellness. Do they keep them in the Airbnb that the women are at? like where do they keep the where do they keep them because they have 36 acres the whole thing is they have 36 acres i always thought wanderlust took place on their property but i just have so many questions i don't know that's a good question i wonder if they can pitch tents and dig holes for their poopies or something because that's maybe it's a whole other yeah maybe it's a whole other property yeah where do you stay when you go to wanderlust i don't know but uh anyway um uh Giselle back to the Airbnb.

33:39Giselle's like, when we went to Nevis, y 'all felt warm. Y 'all felt loved. Giselle's so hung up. She's so proud of her Nevis trip, which was fine, but like nothing, nothing memorable. But she keeps going back to it. And Monique is like, well, I thought we were staying at her house. Because then we see a flashback again to the episode, you know, where Angel was talking about like, if you're coming to my house, I need to make sure you don't act this way. We need to clear this up before you come to my house. I invited you all to my house, my 36 acres, you know? So they're like, yeah, we thought we're staying at the house, the house that she's talked about all season long.

34:16Yeah. And so they're all upset. And Wendy's like, my favorite part of the trips is when we, when we come tonight, we talk in the kitchen over cheesecake. Can we hang out and talk about how stupid Woz is? They're like, yeah, we're robbed of our golden girls moment. And then the other ladies, Kieran is like, is the mountain lion going to get us? And Angel goes, no, no. If you see a mountain lion, it's already too late. You're not going to see one because you'll be dead. And Tia's like, well, there's a point of entry in Stacey's room. She goes, so are we neat? And Tia goes, they may smell Stacey.

34:53It's like, oh, my God. Stacey kills still catching strays. She just can't win that chick. Left and right. Right. So back in the Airbnb, Stacey is saying, I just hate that we're separated already. Wendy's like, I hate that. And Stacey's like, and now we're going to be separated again, because you guys are leaving because Giselle really wants to get a hotel. And as we talked about on Crappy Hour, there was footage of them at the Four Seasons of Denver, which I wonder if that's where they wind up going at the end of this episode, because this Airbnb just gets worse and worse and worse yeah they just needed a shower so yeah uh so wendy's like if angel was going to tweet us like this then why did she even invite us on the twip like okay you know what some of some of the people i can see being like wait a minute why don't we get to stay with angel but wendy you're the one who's like angel just wanted to pay a thousand dollars for her play why does angel want to put you up i mean come on the fact that it's monique and giselle crying the loudest when they're being the meanest is so this show.

35:58You get what you earn, okay? So the Wendy crew, I'm not the Wendy crew, the Angel crew arrives at her house and Bobby shields Angel from the rain and they go inside. They're so impressed with the house. This is beautiful. And Kiara's like, I love the invention of Whitaker Marble. I was like, what? Kiara is suddenly a marble expert. And they're just like, oh my gosh, it's so beautiful. It's beautiful. Oh, it's lovely. It's gorgeous. Of course, they're just like, go for it. So you see the room. The house is gorgeous. The house is so, so pretty. Yeah, it's really, really well done. And the guest rooms are gorgeous.

36:41Like the treatment on the walls is so pretty. Is it like a cement? What is it on the? I don't know. It looked great. I mean, it's just so pretty, this whole place. The beds even. I mean, really well. But then there's also like a violinist. It's like standing in the corner of the kitchen as they walk through on their little tour. I'm like, what's happening here? Or maybe that was later. I don't know. But at some point there was a violinist. Actually, it wasn't. Yeah, there was a violinist at the party. At the party. Yeah. So they asked Tia if she's happy to be here. And she's like, well, I was told where I was going to.

37:15She goes, let me fix my face. So it's not obvious what I'm saying. I was told where to stay. And I stayed there. Yes. And Kieran is like, is this the Wonderland? I feel like I'm in Wonderland. And she's like, oh, wow, this is beautiful. You also have your own ensuite bathroom. You have your own bathroom. And they're just like, oh, this is the lap of luxury. Cut to Wendy. She's like, you know, the magic of our girls trip happens when we're all under one woof. And like, I could sleep in the bed with you for like a night or whatever. I just think it's a bathroom piece. I don't know. It's just really sad.

37:47So it's kind of funny because for sure, if you're going on a group trip, that is the best time. It doesn't matter whether it's on a housewife show or if it's just in real life. The best is like at the end of the night, you're all together. I mean, you're sort of having a slumber party. But they are really leaning into it here in a way that they never have on any other girl's trip. They never talk about it this much. We're not going to see each other getting ready at night. How will we talk to each other? Will we get glam done? How are we going to live on this trip? But it is funny because it's like the four of them and there's like this whole giant bar of alcohol, you know, and Stacey's like, well, we have all that liquor.

38:27I mean, who's going to drink it if you guys leave? Because, you know, again, Giselle and Ashley are thinking about leaving. And they're like, they have all this booze. They've got all this snacks. But it is just like four of them, four or five of them. It's just so awkward. So Ashley says, I need a bathroom. I poop three times a day. They're like, wow. And Giselle's like, I'm like twice. I said, okay, that's where we've come to. We're finding out how many times each person poops now. Come on, man. So they keep going on and on about this. And then now it's time for Angel's welcome mixer. And so...

39:00By the way, a welcome mixer where the people who are supposed to mix refuse to mix. It's more like a, what's the opposite of a mixer? It's a welcome separator. Yeah. So Angel's getting glam. and she's like, oh, this face is giving. Now I'm going to go get nice and drunk. So this was$100. I'll give you$50. I'll give you$50. Yeah. I cannot wait for the welcome mixer. I have a beautiful dinner, open fire dinner for the ladies among the backdrop of our 36 acres. And I have really tried to plan details so the ladies know that I'm being intentional with their time. And so then we see them all getting into the car.

39:44to go 35 miles north for this one. It's a one hour, it's 35 miles, but it takes one hour, I'm assuming, because of windy mountain roads. Yeah, so it takes an hour and a half. Yeah, so it's even a lie about the distance. So Monique calls to check on her son to waste some time, and she's like, Mr. Call, it sounds like you've got heat exhaustion and dehydration. okay i've got a uh i've got a remedy for you it's called you're an annie stop fucking calling me okay yeah she's like i finally get phone service only to hear this bullshit go in the shade drink some water so then uh now they're talking about divorces and and like marriages and stuff and jazzy's asking like hey did you guys have a sticky like really bad divorce like i hate you i hate we're done with this and monica's like no but i don't think he thought i was gonna go through you know um and she says that chris didn't even really want a divorce and um and monica's saying she's also joking that like in light of recent events stacy would be the most comfortable person she could talk to with her issues with her ex because she's the only one who really knows chris samuels at all so maybe she can relate yeah and that's what she meant by that or did she well like that they're dating like she was joking like oh well it's her ex too if they dated so she would get it.

41:08But I think she was kidding. So then Ashley, meanwhile, is like, oh my God, look at those houses. They have to be Airbnbs or whatever. I mean, we could have been at those. I see 30 Airbnbs. This is everywhere you pass. It's like, wow, there's a place with running water, I'll bet. No, but they have a toilet. Someone's probably pooping in that house. They probably have. I mean, it is. I mean, they are passing several houses. Although, to be fair, if Angel had put them in one of those houses, they'd be like, we have to stay here in some crappy suburban ranch house while they're in the lap of luxury.

41:43So they would never be happy, to be honest. Yeah. And that's the thing with Giselle. She's so unhappy about every little thing that when there's really something to be unhappy about, it's like, oh God, there she is complaining again. Even when it's real, it's like we don't have water or anywhere to poop. It's like, you do nothing but complain. So it's like you're the little girl who cried, I can't poop. So then they do the thing where they're still driving and they actually go on to Airbnb. They're like, let's just see what's near here. And they're like, okay, here's one. It's an eight-bedroom hot tub in Red Rocks and sleeps 20.

42:20They're like, here's what you could do with 20. And the thing is this, they're right. Of course, there are giant Airbnbs. Colorado is such a – like that Denver area in general, Boulder, all that. Like, you know, people want to go and have a cabin, you know, and have like a whole bunch of people there. So it is crazy that theirs is so far away. So in the other car, Jazzy's like, oh, my God, 53 minutes. Monique says, wow, you guys, yeah, let's find an Airbnb. Find an Airbnb. So Monique's like, well, I've hosted two trips. and the network does cover certain expenses, but it's our job to be in line with production every step of the way.

43:01And then we see clips of Monique's trip to France and her lake house in 2020. And she's like - What do you think she means by that? I'm going to make sure it's good. She means that even though they might pick up the tab, it's still your responsibility to make sure everyone's comfortable and make sure their accommodations are good. Like production doesn't do all that for you. They just pay for it. So if your trip sucks, It's because you sucked at the planning of it. This was actually, I thought, a significant moment. This is the first time I can remember, I think it was the first time ever, that there was a breaking of the fourth wall about how the logistics of the trips are taken care of.

43:38They always, always, always, even in the later years of the Housewives where we've seen a lot of fourth wall breaking, they always make it seem like, oh my God, I just had this idea to go on a trip and I'll do it all myself. And this is the first time that someone's actually said, and that Bravo's put on the air, like, look, the network pays for stuff. But, you know, yada, yada, yada. I thought that was like a pretty significant moment. Yeah. In an otherwise insignificant. Seriously. I'm like, this is a, guys, it's 2026. Huge moment. Significant thing that happened in America. Huge moment, guys.

44:11In an otherwise insignificant vertical. Yes. This year, my horoscope said shit's about to change, and it just did. It just did. Acknowledgement. Monique says the energy was just weird. It was like, damn. And Jazzy's like, yeah, I mean, she just seems so emotional. I mean, what the hell? She goes, yeah, but this is Monique. She goes, you've got to understand there's so much other stuff she's not sharing. And I can confidently say that because I've been in her shoes. Like, I see right through it. You know, it's a lot of pressure when you're doing it all and you have one whole partner that may not be.

44:43I'm just hypothetically speaking, you know, just I don't know. I mean, maybe it's abuse. I don't know. But seeming pretty abusive to me. I'm just saying, just rhetorical. I didn't take it as abuse. I really didn't. I did not take it as an abuse. What I took it as is that Bobby calls all the shots, and Angel is afraid that if she doesn't go along, or she doesn't stand and say, I don't want to do that, or no, or stand up to Bobby and express her wills, that he's going to leave her. and that's how i so she's sort of powerless in this relationship and it's a relationship that she likes the she loves being in the relationship she likes the idea of it she likes the image of her life as like hey i'm a wag and i'm married to a football player we've got this mansion and everything's great we have this beautiful life but fundamentally it's like it's not a it's not like a it's not an equal partnership that's my takeaway i i see what you're saying the reason i say abuse and i don't mean like physical abuse like she's accusing him of physical abuse i'm just saying that what monique has told the ladies about her relationship is she's like describes an abusive relationship she wrote in her book it's an abusive relationship right it's like she's very out about it being well actually she said physical she said in her book she said that they're physically they physically abused each other like had multiple abuse um and stuff like that and so she's telling the people this she's showing them her book she's kind of like it's not like she's being shy about her own so when she compares her relationship when she compared when she says oh i recognize that that's exactly what my husband did like you're comparing her husband to your abusive husband you know what i mean so you know abusive more toxic maybe toxic is a better word but it's still just like like gross not the best yeah and because you know even though what she's saying like we see it and when you know when we see it later the way he is with her i don't want to say whether it is or not because i don't know whether it is or not i just think it's like the second he says like oh it's gonna you know we'll get there when we get there they all switch to this immediately oh well bobby bobby i just i don't know it just seems like i get that they attack each other on these shows but it just seems to be going a little low to be comparing her relationship to your abusive relationship.

47:10Yeah. I took it more just like she was saying, Angel is just not a... Angel is not... It's afraid to just be herself. But I mean, it could be both ways. And definitely Angel takes it the way that you said it, I think. Yeah, because they just went to this whole book thing about Monique's terrible relationship. You know what I mean? She wrote a whole book on how she's not part of this horrible relationship anymore. She's like, oh my god, your relationship was just like mine. It's like, excuse you? That was not a book. That was a series of love letters from her former self. Written by Chad GPT. So Jazzy is like, well, as a wag, I don't experience that kind of thing.

47:51You are a five-minute wag. Okay? And didn't your husband have kids on you? I mean, come on. She's a wagamama. it's a joke that would make more sense in london because there's a series of restaurants there called wagamama um so yeah no i agree she's you're you're a recent wag yeah you've been here two minutes okay you're like a wag newt yeah and call me three kids later a wag zygote um god it must be fun to do to be able to start every sentence with as a wag i think that's probably why i mean it's got like the what you're a minute yeah as a wag as a wag yeah i don't experience that you know but i wouldn't want a woman bringing an ex-husband and comparing them to my current husband you know um so monique is saying yeah i mean maybe she doesn't want to open up and maybe she doesn't want to talk about it i'm just saying i don't know who am i to say and stacy's like be careful she's very sensitive about her man and she's like that's why i mean hello i've been there too so that's what i'm saying i was sensitive about my man too so she reminds me of where i was in some ways no that being said uh this is not the first time on bravo that these moments have arisen where people have brought have recently experienced some sort of trauma and then they project it onto a situation they see the they see the similar signs and they would feel like, ah, ah, warnings, warnings.

49:24But is the track record on Bravo on this terrible? Like, is it every time someone does this, it's like, oh, see, they were wrong. They shouldn't have projected. Or has it been actually fairly accurate? I'm just trying to remember the examples. For some reason, I'm going right to Lisa Rinna and Kim Richards. Well, with most of the examples, you know, with most of the examples, and look, I say this about my own personality. If you just automatically think everybody's shitty, 80 % of the time you're going to be right. Because that's just how human, that's just humanity. No, that's why everyone always says, Ronnie's always right and Ben is right.

50:03It's like, because Ronnie always is like, because they're shitty. You'll see they're shitty. And then eventually they're shitty. Because guess what? It turns out that like most people on Bravo at certain point, they just spoil and they turn shitty. And then I'm the one that they're like, we love Ben, but he just doesn't get it. And I'm like, no, you see the good a lot more than I do. And I think that that, you know, I'm going to win more because I see humans are humans are nasty. Like it takes it takes more effort for a human to be good than it takes for a human to be nasty. It doesn't mean I think like humanity just sucks in general.

50:39I just think that humanity has a very dark side and it's easier to just live in the dark side. You know, it's harder to do good. And so I think that, you know, just voting on human nature, you're going to be right if you say people are shitty. So I think on these shows, when people are like, oh, her husband is shitty, 90 % of the time they're going to be rude. That's going to work out eventually. Yeah. It's going to work out. Yeah. Yeah. So anywho, they all arrive at Angels at long last. And they're like, oh, my God, this is so beautiful. And then we see there's people in the backyard. This is there's a violinist lurking in the kitchen.

51:15playing like Mozart, which it's like, okay, sure. That's a new interpretation of a hoedown. I, I appreciate, I appreciate a Mozart moment at the hoedown. I, you know, sort of a hybrid tea party, garden party hoedown. Sure. Go for it. Well, it's definitely something to be like, I'm rich. I had a violinist following people. Nobody wants that. Nobody, nobody is like, you know what i really needed today some violinist following me around playing some bullshit i don't know what is this song do you do like do you know any like carly xx but it's also like it's like if you ask a kid what is it like to be rich and like well there's a violinist at the party right like a kid would say that and that's it's like i feel like i've never seen the movie richie rich but i feel like richie rich probably becomes rich and has a party and has a violinist there, right?

52:08But this is Angel doing it. So she has this random violinist coming through because she's a humble woman. We forgot to mention. She's a very humble woman. Super humble woman. So the house is stunning, you know, and Ashley's like, clearly no lack of land here. And you don't have a house big enough to sleep some women, sleep some girls. Land does not equal housing. I know. You dumb dumb. So Stacey's like, Stacey says, Poppy probably won't allow it. oh, Angel, I brought you a little crystal for your home. And she goes, Ashley, are you trying to make me love you? I just love this. Now I feel bad. Are you trying to stay in my bed?

52:46I don't even, I don't even, I didn't even know that you knew that I collect crystals. And Ashley's like, yeah, I had a sense. Yeah, and we see, we do see clips of Angel's new age moments from the season. So it's not like there are none of them. Just don't feel like it oozes from her. So then we see our vinyl analyst and Tia's like, who does that on your wedding day we can hire him British shade and Angel's like okay ladies there's a bar over here with the specialty mezcal drink mezcal it's a drink that we've discovered in New York in the Upper East Side brought there from Mexico apparently you'll really enjoy it I would like to thank a lady named Erin for bringing this to America And I got mezcal because I know that's your favorite, Giselle.

53:36Okay? And I wanted to make sure you had something that you would like. There are also toilets of flesh here. You're welcome. So, Giselle's like, I mean, she's got a lot of making up to do. So, she's like happy. She's like, okay, Angel, I see you. I mean, it's funny how flat, like the simplest flattery will start to turn someone. And then Stacey goes, Angel is showing more excitement for Giselle than her own husband. I'm trying to figure this out. I'm like, no, I feel like Angel's very excited about Bobby. I think that was a wrong take by Stacey. Doesn't she see Bobby all the time? Like every time Bobby comes, does she have to be like, Bobby, I got you mezcal?

54:13Yeah, I think she's like really excited about Bobby. They all say hi. And then Monique is like, hi, I'm Monique Samuels. We used to talk on the phone for like years and years and years, like years and years and years ago when, you know, like my ex-husband mentored you. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm an even more elder wag than your wife. so just you might not recognize me but I'm a wah-wag that's a was a wag yeah I am what your wife will look like soon enough okay after you guys have a bitter divorce I am the representation of the autobiography that your wife is going to write to herself in letters in voice notes on her iPhone if you find some love letters if you if you find some love letters written by your wife just know they're coming to me.

54:56Just the metaphorical version. He's like, yeah, I talked to you in high school. God, that was a long time ago. She's like, yeah, full circle. Full circle moment. So now then Angel brings them down to an oxygen bar, you know, because why not relive the year 2001? Am I right, guys? He doesn't want to breathe in fluorescent green food coloring. God, it just sounds so healthy. Back when I moved to LA in 2001, Woody Harrelson had an oxygen bar on the Sunset Strip. It was wedged right between the Standard Hotel and the Argyle, or the Argyle and whatever. It was right there, and it was this crazy thing, and you'd go in there.

55:39They had all these potions like this, and you'd go in and you'd just snort oxygen of different flavors. But I just, it was such a, it was, that was such a trend of 2000, 2001. And just so funny that Angel's like bringing it back. Yeah. My mom did it in Vegas and she came back and she was like, oh my God, Vegas has this thing called oxygen. It's like, so does the world. And she's like, no, Ronnie, like you sit down and they put it on your face and you breathe it and you just feel, you just feel so clear. You feel so free. And I'm like, mom, it's because normally when you breathe in, it's Benson and Hedges or Virginia Slims.

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