#3248 Bonus: Candiace Dillard Bassett Talks Traitors!

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0:07Ben Mandelker: Who cares what happens when there's so much that crap it does?

0:21Ben Mandelker: Well, hello, and welcome to Watch Her Crappins. I'm Ben, that's Ronnie, and we are so excited because we have not only someone from the traders, but someone from the Real Housewives family. Please welcome back, well, not back to our show, for the first time ever, Candice Dillard Bassett. Hello, Candice. How are you? Welcome to Crappins.

0:44Candiace Dillard Bassett: Thank you. I love it here. Yes. Hello, Crappins family. Yes.

0:49Ben Mandelker: Yes. We love it there. Look at your beautiful bookcase that you have back there. I love that green color.

0:55Candiace Dillard Bassett: Reading is fundamental. You know, as they say. And this is one of my favorite colors. My whole office is this. It's called Breakfast Room Green. But I love the color sage. So when I saw it, I have to put that on the wall.

1:11Ronnie Karam: We've got a new name now.

1:13Candiace Dillard Bassett: Is it really called Breakfast Room Green? Yeah, they did not pay me to say this, but the company is called Pharaoh and Ball. And that's the name of the color, Breakfast Room Green. Wow.

1:26Ben Mandelker: Love it. Well, we are very sad you're here.

1:30Ronnie Karam: Fantastic job. How do you, how, how was the after press of Traders? How's it been going?

1:36Candiace Dillard Bassett: It's fun. It's been, it's been great. It's been sort of reminiscent and kind of like, you know, a little nostalgic to like, oh, what a time that we had. Because we filmed it last June. So it's been quite some time. Like my son was eight months and he's 17 months now. So it's like, wow, all the time that has passed. But it's been fun. It's been like getting to reminisce and like relive like the most otherworldly insane experience I've ever had in unscripted TV. And probably the only one that I would definitely do again and do the same way.

2:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Really? Yeah. I mean, tell us about this. Tell us about what it was like when you like arrived at the castle. What was the castle like? What were your thoughts even going into it? Did you want to be a traitor? Did you want to be a faithful? Like, just give us the whole spiel.

2:32Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yeah. So, I mean, who wants to go on a show called Traitors and not be a traitor? Like...

2:39Ronnie Karam: Exactly. Yeah.

2:41Candiace Dillard Bassett: Like, I think I said in one of my interviews, like, the traitors are the main characters. The show is called The Traitors. They're on the marquee. I am a main character. So, of course, I wanted to be one of the main characters. Humbley, of course. No, I said, okay, if I'm going to leave my baby and go to the other side of the world, it needs to be worth it. And how fun is it to get to, like, murder people and you don't have to go to jail? Like, we're adults playing a board game. Like, can I pick my own cast? Right. Okay, yes. Yes. And so when I arrived, I was enamored with the castle. It is this just gargantuan, stunning, it's a behemoth.

3:31Candiace Dillard Bassett: It's huge. And we kind of lived and worked and played in a lot of it. And there was still so much of the castle that we did not get to see. Some parts were sort of closed off for like construction and renovations and what have you. But we were in a lot of the castle and there were there were so much that we were not able to visit. So a lot of the times, like when you're walking to do interviews. It would be like a five minute walk and you're walking through these halls and up these stairs and then back downstairs and then up. and you just you get lost it's it's huge it's a maze and it's it's stunning but it was it was so much fun to be there and i think dorinda was saying that she knows the the people that it's called ardross castle she knows the owner so she was telling us like all the the lore and the history of the castle which was fun and interesting but yeah arriving i was excited i was excited to get

4:36Ben Mandelker: there yeah it's funny because by the way what you're saying about the castle because it kind of looks oddly small on tv because i guess you guys are always shooting in the same like four rooms so it always seems like you guys are going to run into each other like oh my god why are you saying that like why are you sitting there like everyone's gonna find you but it sounds like it

4:52Candiace Dillard Bassett: was actually much more expansive than it looks on tv for sure it's i mean yes we so the breakfast room, the library, the bar, the kitchen were all kind of like concentrated right around, like it almost felt like a rotunda because they were all kind of in a circle. And then the stairs kind of broke it up a little bit. But the round table room is like way at the other end. And all of the interviews, like all the things, the interviews that we were doing were in like random places in the castle so it it was huge it was huge and it just felt like it kept going and

5:34Ben Mandelker: going wow so what was your once you were chosen as a traitor what was your plan what what did you think like okay now i'm a traitor this is how i'm going to conduct myself as a traitor this is how I'm going to play this game?

5:50Candiace Dillard Bassett: I didn't really have like a plan. I just, I knew that, okay, I have to live a double life here and I'm going to have to employ some of my acting skills and I'm going to have to employ some of my like survival skills from Housewives here. And you just almost immediately lock in. Like as soon as I was tapped on the shoulder, It was like, okay. I mean, you saw, I barely moved. So I was already like, okay, I'm already playing the part. Because inside I was like doing backflips and just screaming at the top of my lungs. but um I I knew I had to keep a cool head and I had to behave and walk and talk and act as if I was a faithful all the while like wearing this hat and like using the the mind of a trader and be sort of sleuthy and duplicitous and sneaky um so I I didn't like plan my strategy for how to behave it just kind of befell me i figured it out as i went yeah instinct yes so the audiences you

7:06Ronnie Karam: know the fandom for real housewives obviously is one of the more intense fandoms on tv i would imagine you know we're a part of it and it's harsh in there yeah it's crazy but you know what is so

7:19Candiace Dillard Bassett: funny though yes i agree with you but the gamers that's what i was gonna say okay thank you like

7:27Ronnie Karam: you're coming from housewatch but then you got the gamer fandom so how is that how was navigating that and how would you compare the two i think the gamers they're a bit more what's the word they're

7:44Candiace Dillard Bassett: they're a little more sensitive. Like they, they need some crying goals and some big girl panties. Like they're just, they're whiny. Like I feel like housewives fans, and I can speak specifically to my fan base. My fans are smart. They are educated. They're well read. They, you know, they, they come from spaces of academia and fundamental reading. They have books behind them, honey. breakfast breakfast room green they know it yes they know breakfast room green my my my supporters are just they they're the cream of the crop and you know even the the worst of the fandom you know i won't name names but you know who they are even they are they're astute and they like they're in on it they they're in on the joke i think what's changed about housewives is that you know we're in we're celebrating 20 years of housewives the fans are in on the joke they know what's happening you can't pull one over on them anymore like they understand the way production works and they know they can tell when somebody is faking or lying or at least you know they think they can and they're really vocal about that um the the gamers a lot of them are just they're just whiny and they don't have any like evidence to back up the whining they're just like why are all these housewives in the turret it's supposed to be gamers well why john yeah exactly

9:21Ben Mandelker: i mean let's like let's get into it it's time to get into it right even like the fandom of

9:25Ronnie Karam: housewives like we're used to arguing because housewives is arguing so it's conflict resolution as someone recently said on housewives so we'll we'll get messy with each other in a comment but but then give each other arguments for days and comment upon comma, and at least be able to like hear each other out where I feel like the game

9:43Candiace Dillard Bassett: where it's just like, you suck. Yeah. They just think they're throwing tantrums and with, with no, with no nothing to back it up. It's boo tomato, tomato. Yeah.

9:56Ben Mandelker: Well, so the, so the thing that like has lit up the housewives fandom, including yours truly. And I'm thinking all three of us were lit up actually, Candace, I saw you being pretty active about this article, as was I. So Joe Reed in Vulture slash New York Magazine, he comes out with an incendiary piece that says, basically, housewives should be banned from the traitors. And I personally felt like this was dripping with misogyny. I thought this was dripping.

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13:08Ben Mandelker: So what do you say to all that? What do you say to this hot take?

13:13Candiace Dillard Bassett: How embarrassing, Joe, or whatever your name is. And I think I tweeted or I posted on threads, Walter needs to ban you from journalism because you do a disservice to the art form by even creating or letting such a narrative sit out in the public and spoil and be moldy, because this is a moldy, spoiled, dirty, funky take. And I think, you know, I'm one of many, I think, who resent this idea that housewives are one. he kind of painted us as this sort of one-dimensional um group that all we do all we are is drama all we are is emotion and that's just simply not the case and i say all the time more more so about black women but it can apply to housewives in general that we are not monolithic we are not one way we are not you know one-sided we have many layers to us we are not all of us Okay.

14:22Candiace Dillard Bassett: But many of us are onions that require layers that need to be peeled back and peeled back. And you don't always get that in one, two, or even sometimes three seasons. And it takes time to really get the full scope of who we are. But to also do such a crime in the month of women's history. like oh yes candace i love it where is a shoe for me to jettison like i like eat my shoe okay it's just it's disrespectful and and it's also like yeah we're entertaining are you mad about it because while you sit and pitter patter on your laptop spewing misogyny and spewing this hatred toward an entire group of people who live and breathe to create entertainment and and give layers and give uh gravitas and moxie to the people you you you reek of hateration it reeks of hateration to me and as you said of misogyny and then i and it also you know i found it interesting um who he chose to zero in on and his criticism and uh i believe it was myself and he also had a lot to say about danielle and sort of referring to us as i want to say some of like the worst traders or some some criticism of that nature and that that's

15:54Ben Mandelker: interesting as well and that's crazy it's crazy that he would say you're one of the worst traders because I took a screenshot of something that he actually had very complimentary things to say about you earlier in the season. He said, man, I love Candace Dillard Bassett, the poet laureate of Potomac so much. Uh, then he goes, but then he goes, but she's coming across like a sore loser at this reunion. So I guess maybe I take that back, but like, it seemed like he was, he had like some love for you, but I just, to me, it's just like crazy that, um, that I feel like he's discounting a whole group of people when he also wrote an article saying how the villains were doing so well this season and he highlighted uh colton and michael and if you talk about drama i mean they're the ones causing the most drama yeah michael was the biggest drama queen and then

16:41Ronnie Karam: you have um jam jam like oh it was a kiss you know so come on that was a gamer and yeah and actually

16:54Ben Mandelker: you know what? He also said this, I think this was actually the quote I meant to read. I didn't mean to read one where he was like, fuck Candace. He said, he said, I think the big reason why I'm loving this season of the trader so far, despite an early boot order is that the traders, Candace especially are making good, smart moves. So he actually called you out for making good, smart moves. So it's surprising that then he comes out with an article where he's like, oh yeah, the housewives aren't really there to compete. I just don't understand that.

17:23Candiace Dillard Bassett: so well two things um to to say that we are not there to compete like waking up every morning and putting our eyebrows on we are in competition okay we we are we are doing the work um and i also feel like i believe he called me loquacious and i was like okay and like well thank you like

17:47Ben Mandelker: it's either that or mark ballas right what do you oh i love mark no mark did he did start speaking up

17:54Candiace Dillard Bassett: later shout out to mark that's my boo but no i mean what also i'll say this too about me me being talkative um many times when the round tables would start no one would speak we would start the round table and there'd be a solid like 45 seconds of just no yeah nothing yeah and the

18:18Ronnie Karam: whole season i mean it never got to the point where people were just starting off just ready

18:23Candiace Dillard Bassett: to jump in so i'm like okay look i'm ready for my glass of wine i'm ready for my my pastry i need to go to bed okay this is like it's been on for 12 i need to go to bed yeah and yeah smoke salmon they had these also these like salmon pots that were really good that they would give us as snacks that I don't think I want my salmon pot. I want my red wine or my white wine. You only get two glasses a night. That's the maximum. So I'm ready for my wine.

18:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

18:50Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yes. And my eggs and my salmon. So I'm ready to go. We have to get this party started. And you all are dilly-dallying and pussyfooting about. So let's get it started. So often I was just, you know, nobody else was speaking. So I was like, okay, let's get it started. And am I chatty? Yes. Am I low-quiet? Yes. Sure. Sure. But I just, so is Colton. It's like, again, the white male patriarchy of it all is just, it's run rampant in these Americas. The reason why y 'all's president is y 'all's president, because people like Joe and his foolishness that he writes down on paper and calls it journalism.

19:29Ronnie Karam: It's embarrassing. Joe, Joe, Joe, you're a fall for Trump, damn it. We're like, boom, boom. It seemed to me, because one of the best parts about all of these shows, both of the shows you were on, is the reading the comments after. I love getting into a messy thread and just reading people fight. You know, I love an online war.

19:53Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yeah.

19:53Ronnie Karam: And it seemed like a lot of this pushback for Housewives didn't really happen until towards the end of the season when, you know, there were a lot of social media things like Chris was on there saying, you know, he doesn't like women. You know, Chris, I love it. I love that you married a man who will also get into some mess on social media.

20:14Candiace Dillard Bassett: You know, you're not afraid of the mud.

20:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it seems like a lot of it came from that and kind of the reaction. Kind of your reaction when you left. So what do you say to that? Do you feel you know, what do you say to people calling you a sore loser and stuff like that? What's your reaction to that? Well, it's it's funny that I just found this out today because Rob had a lot of support online and I was always like, well, who are these people?

20:43Candiace Dillard Bassett: Who are these supporters? and he recently was seen out with an ice out pen on um like on a lapel or on his shirt or something which and i i stand in agreeance with him i love that he did that actually yeah i think and i and rob always we didn't talk politics but he always struck me as someone that i could trust with a general election vote like i don't think he's voting you know for demons to come overtake America. And a lot of the fandom is pissed at him. And when people would be in my comments, calling me a sore loser and, you know, criticizing me, I would always be, it always kind of felt foreign to me, like the direction it was coming from.

21:34Candiace Dillard Bassett: So now that I know that a lot of the people that were rooting for Rob are probably MAGA supporters. I'm like, okay, sure. Call me a sore loser. You, you're a sore voter. You're an idiot. So I'm not, I can't be upset.

21:50Ronnie Karam: It's hard to take you seriously.

21:52Candiace Dillard Bassett: I can't be seriously, yeah.

21:53Ben Mandelker: I also, I have to say that like, we've known you from Potomac and we have known the full range of your emotions and what you're capable of doing. And like you calling Rob to task at the reunion I felt like was you just saying like like hey it's fine that you won but like don't try to have a narrative where you're just like the good guy or whatever who just like is like you have to own up to some of the things you did to us and people were like oh my god she's a sore loser I'm like you guys don't know the Candace you guys don't know the Candace that we know if she was being a sore loser we would have seen a much bigger reaction that was our reaction

22:29Ronnie Karam: we were like you think this is bad these housewives never seen a tamer housewife than these housewives because you could have Candace up there.

22:37Candiace Dillard Bassett: Thank you.

22:38Ronnie Karam: They could have handed you a butter knife. They could have had.

22:43Candiace Dillard Bassett: Thank you. Thank you. I just, I resent this idea that I, as I think, as I said on the show, I'll quote myself, that I also need to drink Rob's bath water. I was not that thirsty. Like, I don't need to drink his bath water. And there was this just, this overwhelming just hypnotization of Rob. And he's a wonderful person. He's very sweet. He was very kind. He's a Southern gentleman. We talked a lot about the fact that he's from Alabama. My family, both sides of my family are also from Alabama. And we talked about that in the Catholic. So I don't take away from him as a person, but this idea that everyone needs to be up his butt is insane to me.

23:33Candiace Dillard Bassett: I saw nothing wrong with me having criticism of the way that he played the game. You have no problem, general public, criticizing all of the women and their gameplay, but somehow Rob, we're going to rewrite history and make Rob's game flawless. It wasn't flawless. Honestly, I've seen a lot of this discourse.

23:54Ronnie Karam: I think it's natural to rip apart each other's games. I mean, that's what the whole thing is, is talking about gameplay. That's a part of the show.

23:59Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yes, gamers do that all the time. But somehow it's become this crime, this high crime misdemeanor because I'm criticizing his game. I applaud that he won. He won the show. I'm happy that he won. But it was just the way that he was like, well, I didn't really want to. And I, oh.

24:23Ben Mandelker: There's a little bit of bullshit in there. That's some bullshit.

24:26Ronnie Karam: I'm just a boy. Yeah.

24:30Candiace Dillard Bassett: That part, I was like, okay, you did all these treacherous things that you did these treacherous things.

24:38Ronnie Karam: There was some, you know, from the traitors, duh, Ronnie, from the reunion when you were kind of insinuating that he might have cheated by telling Colton whatever. What do you think about it? Were you accusing him of cheating? And do you think he did cheat?

24:56Candiace Dillard Bassett: I don't know if he cheated. I just know what I was told. And when I got home from the castle and I think because we all kind of got home around the same time. By the time I left, the the last five were like right behind me. And we all kind of got on the phone over the course of like that next week to debrief and be like, well, what do you think of this? And what happened? And one of the calls I got was from Colton. And I want to make it clear. I did not call Colton. Colton got my number from somebody. I think somebody, he asked someone, hey. He's good at that.

25:34Ronnie Karam: He was outside your house.

25:36Candiace Dillard Bassett: No comment. Oh my God.

25:40Ben Mandelker: Continue.

25:41Candiace Dillard Bassett: Colton, don't come crying to me. We're just kidding.

25:44Ben Mandelker: We're just kidding. We're just easy joke. J slash K. Easy joke.

25:47Candiace Dillard Bassett: So he called me, he called my phone. and you know among other he said about we were talking about a bunch of stuff just debriefing and he said to me yeah rob told me you were a traitor and i said and at the time i thought that he meant that he because he told me where it happened he said i think he told me you were a traitor at the the mountain challenge that abhorrent horrific challenge that should be banned. It was horrible. Somewhere in there is when he told me that he told him. And so I waited all season to see it because I'm like, oh, well, if he built up this case against me, for sure they're going to show this.

26:32Candiace Dillard Bassett: This is like a pinnacle moment for one of the traders to be outed. And it never came. And then I said, well, wait, if he didn't tell him on the show, then where did he tell him? And how did he tell him? So these are just the questions that I think anyone with any level of...

26:54Ronnie Karam: If he had told him, wouldn't he have to say, she's a traitor and I know because I'm a traitor? So is the insinuation that he was also telling him that he was a traitor?

27:05Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yes, because what other reason... He had to have built a case against me. I think Candace is a traitor because I saw her do this. X, Y, Z. Or I heard her say something or she's been acting suspicious. Something. And from my purview, I was not detectable. There weren't really a lot of people, if anyone. Mark told me he was suspicious of me because I gave him Skittles in episode three or something. I was like,

27:37Ben Mandelker: I was literally just giving him Skittles.

27:40Candiace Dillard Bassett: And the same sort of critique when I suggested Johnny go or get a shield during a portrait challenge. I was just being nice. There was no strategy behind that.

27:53Ben Mandelker: I have to tell you, Candice, one of my biggest frustrations with this season, because I'm someone who plays these games like Mafia, etc. I'm a big board gamer. I do all these games. And one of the biggest frustrations I had is that you gave, you didn't just give like one breadcrumb. You didn't give just two breadcrumbs. you gave two big pieces of you gave two loaves you gave a holla you put like a holla out on the table and you were like it's rob everyone good night and like as much as you could without saying it and the way they did not even pursue that do you like did they did they even talk about like it seemed like they just completely discounted it and it was painful for me that they just would not and maura's like well i think that it might be that but i think she just messed up And I'm like, look at that.

28:40Ben Mandelker: You have so little to go on. Why don't you look at the one tangible thing? How was that for you to watch that? It was bad for me, but as you as the one who actually left the bread there. How was that?

28:51Candiace Dillard Bassett: Infuriating in a word, especially watching it back. Because, of course, I left, so I didn't know what they were going to do with the information. but to watch it and to see just the blatant dedication to being dumb. Like, you have to try to be this dumb. Like, it's, I think, who said it? My sister Kenya said in one season of Atlanta, I was talking about poetry, she was like, it almost hurts me to watch her be so dumb. And I had to go back to that place and just sit with her because, wow, my flabbers were aghasted at just how do you miss this? And they kept almost getting it like, well, why would she do that?

29:49Candiace Dillard Bassett: It just didn't make any sense.

29:52Ben Mandelker: Are we a team?

29:55Ronnie Karam: But it was Skittles. I was Skittles. I was actually thinking about you because I was watching clips this morning in bed, as I do, of Maura getting her Birkin on Watch What Happens.

30:08Candiace Dillard Bassett: On Watch What Happens Live, yeah.

30:09Ronnie Karam: You see that?

30:10Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yes, I saw the clips. Congratulations, Maura. I hope it restores some faith in men for her because she's spoken at length about how she doesn't trust anyone, you know, least of all men. and for once a man what did she say she said it's not so much that he got the birkin but that he kept his promise so if for nothing else restoring some faith in you know in in men as as you know it's hard to trust him in general it restored some of my faith i mean yeah i'll get you a birkin

30:44Ronnie Karam: because i thought that was so old-fashioned when a man fucks you over and then he gets you a gift but i'm glad to see that still there and we're not just getting fucked over and that's the end now

30:52Ben Mandelker: because I don't like men take no life yeah yeah I want to talk one positive thing like or I hope a positive thing is you coming back to like reality TV in a big way here with this do you feel that you've been seen differently than you were on the Potomac like do you feel like oh I finally got to show a side of myself or people got to know me in a different way they may have had preconceived notions of how I was on Potomac but now they actually got to see a different Candace

31:20Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yeah, that was part of the reason why I think I wanted to do the show was to sort of open myself up to a new audience and, you know, perhaps reframe the way that the current audience viewed me. Because, again, Black women are not monolithic. We are layered and we come in many different shapes and colors and sizes and personalities. And, you know, when you're on a show with, you know, six or seven big personalities, it's hard to see all sides of someone, especially when you become sort of typecast. And I, you know, I own that I was sort of this spoiled princess who was, you know, seen more often as emotional than she was not.

32:09Candiace Dillard Bassett: And that is me. I own that part of myself. That's just not all that I am. And I love that I was able to put myself into a game where, you know, you're employing things like strategy and conga lines to sort of show that there's more to me. And I am fun and I can be light and I can, you know, get through a season of something and not get into like a huge argument with someone unless they're a snake and they lie.

32:42Ronnie Karam: And that was a rough end to your time on Potomac. I mean, that was just like intense. It was not pretty. That was like two years of intensity, like severe intensity. So it was a lot to recover from, I imagine. My God.

32:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I loved seeing the Candesans, as I'm going to call it right now, the Candesans on the Traders. I loved seeing, I thought you did actually, you did do, I think a great job. And I honestly, well, the only thing that really, I think I'm really bummed me out was I loved you, Lisa and Rob, when you guys were a Trader family, I thought you guys were so fun together and I knew you guys wouldn't ever be able to make it all the way through together. But I was, when it started to crumble, I got so sad. I was really, really sad about that. You know? Yeah.

33:27Candiace Dillard Bassett: I will say this. I actually did think probably by episode six, episode five or six, I woke up one morning that morning and I was like, wow, we could maybe win together. Like we could maybe all three traitors go to the end because at that point it still felt like we were a cohesive unit and we were still really flying under the radar. And we had pulled off at that point. I think at least one, I think we pulled off both of our heists, our murders in plain sight. We were just sort of working together as a great team. So I naively, obviously hindsight felt like we could go to the end together. um and yeah i was also just really disappointed that the band got broken up because i think that you know in the history the short history that is um u.s traders we like i think we'll go down as you know like some of the most iconic trios of traders um to get that far um and

34:41Ben Mandelker: still be on one accord yeah i really loved watching you guys work together and i guess i'm sorry we are gonna let you go very shortly but i do have i do want to ask you some questions about like when you first voted against rob and then the second time so the first vote against rob i think a lot of us in the audience were like oh no this probably won't end well because this is gonna start like do you when you did that was that like a spur of the moment decision like what was your thought behind that and then also then the subsequent vote it seemed like the the talk was between you or Stephen, but you were trying to do a push for Rob.

35:18Ben Mandelker: Do you feel like you kind of like split the vote? Do you think if you had just piled on to Stephen, it would have been better for you? I'm just as a fan of the game. Like I love to feel what was going through your head.

35:28Candiace Dillard Bassett: So with my first vote, that was a strategic move. I knew at that point, I knew earlier that day that I was probably not going to make it because whatever seeds Rob had planted, he had garnered enough trust by like shoving his bathwater down everybody's throats and gotten them to like get on board with him that they were not going to trust me over him. It just, I knew there wasn't a lot that I'd be able to say because I'd seen it. I'd seen just the very hard-lined, vehement, like, well, it's not Rob, so who else is it? As people going through the list. So for me, the moment was about if I'm going to go out, I'm going out clearing desks.

36:23Candiace Dillard Bassett: And as much as I can within the confines of the game, I'm going to shout Rob's name so that even when I'm gone, my ghost will live on as i people can hopefully somehow recall back to well why did candace do this this doesn't make sense it's out of the blue and um what was the other question oh it was

36:52Ben Mandelker: basically actually all wrapped up in that at that point did you realize it was like oh it's too late so i'm just gonna just put all the put it all on to rob as much as possible yeah yes and i there No one was really saying Stephen to me.

37:09Candiace Dillard Bassett: I was not hearing Stephen. And at that point, there weren't a lot of people left. But I was hearing people say that they were hearing my name. And that was it. That was all I was hearing. So then my goal was just to, as much as I could, get people to look at Rob. without, you know, just blurting out his name.

37:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah. My God. Wow. Well, great job. It was a great season. And it was good. I still think you did great. On the TV. Can you tell us about your, you have a new podcast out, right?

37:50Ben Mandelker: Yes. Can you tell us about it?

37:52Candiace Dillard Bassett: Yes, I have a new podcast. It's called Undomesticated. We are on the Odyssey Podcast Network. It features myself and my amazing co-host, Michael Arsenault. And we are talking about everything that's happening in your group chat, at your kitchen tables. We're talking about, we do a segment where Michael talks extensively about baddies on Zeus, because he is a baddies fan. We have a segment called Nobody Asked Me, which was kind of born out of my, to quote my former boss, my being a disaster on Twitter. It's a space for really me, but anybody that comes on the show to just opine about whatever. Like nobody asked me, but I think that Maura is a fool for accepting the Birkin bag or whatever you want to say.

38:44Candiace Dillard Bassett: So it's a space to get your thoughts out about anything. We talk about relationships. We talk about pop culture. People were kind of like up in arms that I was talking about housewives. why you lead the show if you're going to talk about housewives well housewives is pop culture so if there is a uh a breaking news moment like my former cast member potentially going to jail god forbid we're going to talk about that like that's that is that's that's the news of the day

39:14Ronnie Karam: that should be what are they not going to let nfl people talk be football commentators i mean the whole point is that you have the experience that makes you more exactly to talk about it exactly

39:25Candiace Dillard Bassett: yeah i mean that's they are and that's but that's that is a small grain of rice in comparison to everything else we discuss whatever is happening in pop culture in the zeitgeist we are discussing and we're doing it with michael's sort of signature cynicism and my just passion for being mouthy and loud and you know the mess you see before you we love that and you have a new

39:51Ben Mandelker: single out too we also would have to promote for everyone to go download it and listen to it right

39:56Candiace Dillard Bassett: if only yes if only yes it is um the new single that will be a part of my new album which will be coming later this year i do also have a remix coming um to if only with uh an amazing um vocalist, I won't say who yet, but an amazing vocalist that you all know and love. And then I will actually be going on tour with this person later in the year.

40:29Ronnie Karam: So lots of exciting

40:33Candiace Dillard Bassett: moments on the music front. There's also a visual out on YouTube and Vivo you can check out and And just keep streaming and downloading and letting me know what you think. I love all of the feedback on the song. And I can't wait for you guys to hear the remix and the next single, which will be coming soon as well.

40:53Ben Mandelker: Fabulous. Well, congratulations on that. I mean, in my mind, I do believe that you have, like, one of the very best Housewives songs in Drabik. Love that song. Yes!

41:02Candiace Dillard Bassett: Thank you.

41:03Ben Mandelker: Thank you. Candice, you were hilarious. Oh, my God. Thank you for spilling all this tea on our podcast today. You were great. Congratulations on your run on the traders. And thanks for being here with us. Everyone go check out our podcast. Thanks Candace. Thanks Candace.

41:20Ronnie Karam: Bye.

41:20Candiace Dillard Bassett: Take care. Bye.

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