#3275 Below Deck Down Under S04E08 Part One: Honey Badgered

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1:47Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is my very own sweetie honey boo boo Ronnie Karam. How are you?

2:01Ronnie Karam: Well, hello, Benoons. How's everything going?

2:05Ben Mandelker: Everything is grand. Thanks to everyone who joined us yesterday on Amazon Live where I personally had the best time ever doing puppetry with steamers. And then afterwards on Crappy Hour, we had a lot of fun discussion. And did you see that we already have an update on one of the things that we talked about? That's crazy, huh? Yeah, we speculated about whether or not Margaret Josephs would be coming back to New Jersey. Given that she is now shooting something for Amazon, we thought, we don't think she's going to come back. And then today she dropped the news. All right, everyone. Had a lot of talks with Andy and with the network.

2:48Ben Mandelker: And I've decided it's time for me to move on from the Housewives. Had a great time. I'm already here on my next project, okay? Jody is under a palm tree. Other Jody is under a different palm tree. And Joe is somewhere looking for his seafoam polo shit. So I'm no longer going to be part of Real Housewives of New Jersey. But I want to thank NBCU and Andy Cohen and that dumb bitch Teresa Giudice for making my life hell for the past eight years of my life. And of course, we got to thank Serena and Tenafly for giving me all the news that I needed to get by in New Jersey for nearly an entire decade on that TV show.

3:23Ronnie Karam: I'd just like to say thank you to Andy Cohen for, you know, choosing a stalker with a stalker husband who looks like an eggplant over me. Thank you so much. That felt great. I am glad that you have chosen jailbait over Margaret Josephs. So good luck, you fucking losers. Yeah, I was saying on the show last night, do not make them choose between you and Teresa. That's just never going to work. And it never works on these shows. And I think that's what happened. Damn it, Marge, I love you. Don't do this to us.

3:54Ben Mandelker: I'm really sad to lose Margaret on that show. I think that she ushered in the great era of Real Housewives of New Jersey. I think I never really loved the show as much as I did as when she was on it. I enjoyed it in its first pre-jail run. I enjoyed it, but I never loved it. And then it was in the post-jail run when she was there. And we had this great cast that I really, really grew to love New Jersey. So we'll see what happens with the new look New Jersey if it ever arrives. But I think this is a big loss, personally.

4:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah, what a bummer. I know.

4:33Ben Mandelker: It's all I wanted was Margaret to last longer. Oh, well.

4:37Ronnie Karam: What a bummer. Okay, well, today, someone else who's about to make someone make a choice and lose their job. Ellie on Below Deck Down Under, Season 4, Episode 8, Call Me By My Name. Dun-dun-dun.

4:53Ben Mandelker: Dun-dun-dun. So, Eddie, Mike, and Jenna, they are still in the vans. and Jenna has just told off Eddie because Eddie is trying to repair his image with her after he had texted Alicia that he would drop Jenna in a second to be an alien with Alicia and Jenna's like, I'm nobody second class. So you're fucked up on your first

5:18Ronnie Karam: fucking day. How does somebody fucking do that? I'm serious and this is where I'm at. You burn your bridges with me. Your bridges are burning with me.

5:27Ben Mandelker: It's like, oh no. So they get back to the yacht and Joao is like laying on this like romance offense on Daisy. He's like, let me help you out to the van and I'm going to kiss your hand like the prince charming that I am.

5:45Ronnie Karam: I'm a tennis man now. So he helps her out. It's like, oh, thank you very much. It's just like watching Bridgerton. Really? Yeah. So then Eddie's walking with Alicia and he's like, I really fucked it with Jenna. And I was like, mate, did you ever think you ever had it to do? You know what? If you think you fucked it with Jenna, the last person you should immediately walk to for solace in front of Jenna is Alicia. You dumbass. Since you kind of fucked it with Jenna over Alicia. And he's like, wow, thanks for that. Thanks. I guess I just never had it. Never felt shorter.

6:21Ben Mandelker: I've never felt shorter. I feel so short. so then Jenna, Daisy and Joao are talking and Jenna tells Daisy that she's like yeah I went off on Eddie I'm nobody's second option so I don't know where we go from here I'm like you go nowhere and that's where you've been by the way you guys like share like a kiss with this uncharismatic mustachioed dud and I think it's just time to move on and like you know get back to the primary goal which is thinking that you might have a chance of ascending on the social ladder by falling in love with a guest that comes onto the show

6:53Ronnie Karam: well I think her other choice is Ben isn't it oh yeah there's Ben too lots of bad choices on Jenna it's a grim future, grim options for her it truly is so Ben is lying down in the crew mess and Jenna joins him and asks how he's feeling and he's like I'm tired she's like we're all tired Jesus, so then Joao texts Daisy and he's like would you like a glass of red Zinfandel

7:20Ben Mandelker: and she's like I'm about to go turn in next time so now people go to sleep and Eddie says that the hot tub is cold and we go back to Jenna and Ben and Jenna's trying to tie her dress would you like me to tie that for you sugar paddles and she's like yeah if my boobs drop I apologize well you would not have to apologize for that is that good Do you like how I tied it on you, honey lumps?

7:52Ronnie Karam: Let me read your tattoo here. Therefore, I am God's masterpiece. The fuck does that mean? She's like, I was a really rebellious kid. Is that a rebellious kid where you come from? God loves me. Can I get a tattoo? I wanted to say God loves me. Oh, my God. I'm going to really give a fuck you to the world. Could you put Jesus saves with a little fish on my arm? Fuck you, mom. Sucker.

8:19Ben Mandelker: One of my favorite themes on Below Deck are the people who are like big rebels. And then they come and join the show or they go into the yachting industry. Because I think the yachting industry is an extension of the rebellion. I'm not going to do a standard job. I'm going to be a rebel. I'm going to go into yachting. But it's just kind of like saying, I'm such a rebel that I've decided to become a servant for someone who's wealthy. I'm a rebel. Get me a broom. i would like to insert myself into a traditional hierarchy please

8:56Ronnie Karam: i'm gonna be a rebel and i'm gonna choose a career where i say please and thank you to everything that's ever said to me god damn it these are saves

9:09Ben Mandelker: it's just so funny it happens every year there's always someone who's like and declares himself a rebel and it's like you are sweeping up after a wealthy person who just like vomited into

9:20Ronnie Karam: their champagne glass and poured it onto the teak you're going to be pulling a pussy liner off of a

9:27Ben Mandelker: wall in about five minutes okay rebel i think that's so funny i think it's so funny that they call them pussy liners i know it's well because that was some rebel who came up with that slang but it takes an even bigger rebel to say, hey, take that panty liner off the wall and put it in the trash. Rebel!

9:51Ronnie Karam: So Eddie comes in, and Jenna is asking Ben if he was a rebel or if he was a nerd, and he's like, I was clever. I was captain of chess and stuff like that. So Eddie comes by, and he touches her head, and then he just stands there kind of awkwardly by his bedroom door looking at her, and she's like, what are you not understanding? am i like supposed to go in there and comfort you because you're pouting yeah get back in there eddie fucking loser and then he doesn't seem like a mean person or anything but gosh it's like eddie is just not used to having chances with girls i don't think it's like he saw himself with two chances and he just you can't choose both doors eddie okay yeah he's

10:31Ben Mandelker: like not charismatic enough to be our hero and he's not vile enough to be our villain he's just sort of very like this milk toasty guy who got himself into a bad situation with two women and it's just like just go to sleep and do something with a mediocre appetizer tray that you're just

10:50Ronnie Karam: like am i hungry enough to eat that i really don't want another tuna tartare and you just don't just

10:55Ben Mandelker: go away okay yeah you know what it is he's like the uh he's like the tray of crudités that's on this the table that someone brought with the little you know like sour cream like an onion

11:07Ronnie Karam: dip in the center not even that it's like that from the store that still got the store the plastic

11:12Ben Mandelker: off of it yeah and it's like not bad per se but it's just not just like just not interesting you're gonna go for almost anything before that but eventually like i guess i'll have it it's like it's okay if you dip this cherry tomato in that dip it's like passable yeah it's time for a

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14:22Ronnie Karam: so um eddie mike is sleeping in their room and eddie comes in and he's like you're a sleepmate aren't you does anyone want to hear from me does anybody need to hear my rugby feelings so ben comes in um to check on him and he's like uh eddie and he's like i fucked it with her i fucked it he's like what'd you do bro he's like but i really like her i just ended up fucking it with her you know she's won and done no chances nothing that's that i don't get another a chance to say god i'd choose her any day over you over that this is when did jenna become his

14:57Ben Mandelker: number one since he is just mad that he messed it up and that he looks like a bad guy and that one of his options is closed to him like he never showed any of this energy towards her the entire season and then out of nowhere now that she says you can't have me he's now you know pining for her it's just the scarcity thing it's like when when there's like a thing you're thinking about getting on Amazon or something and it's just like in your cart for weeks and weeks and weeks. You're like, maybe I'll get it, maybe I won't. And then one day it's like sold out and it's like next delivery orders in four months.

15:27Ben Mandelker: And you're like, and then you like scour the internet to find it. Like I wanted that thing so badly. I need it right now.

15:33Ronnie Karam: That's why Timu's like, only one left, only one left. Notification, there's only one left of that thing in your cart. If you don't order it, you're not going to get it. And you're like, oh my gosh, maybe I do need that caftan with a dolphin on it. Oh, better go over there and order it really quickly. It's like I never wanted, I never craved eggs until they became like$10. And I was like, do I need eggs? So Ben, of course, giving total stereotypical Ben advice is like, a woman wouldn't say no unless you had a chance. No means yes. We're talking about women in 2026. Wow. I know. Very Ben of you to say.

16:12Ronnie Karam: Call her sugar tits, slap her on the ass and throw her over your back, mate.

16:18Ben Mandelker: finally i'm here for work and it's complicated enough and it comes with a enough strife and love triangles are a terrible idea and i'm just gonna try to stay right away from it because i am someone who spent fifty thousand dollars on a wedding that he never had i'm

16:35Ronnie Karam: sensitive now and he's like okay well uh good talk thanks for the advice uh to not take no for an answer. That's great. I'll call you from prison. Okay? Thanks. So then we go to Joao and Ellie sitting on the couch drinking wine, and she brings him chocolate. And she's like, oh, here's some chocolate. It is just me. Nice, nice, sweet, sweet Ellie. So, Ben. And he's like, yes, what about him? Well, I did want to ask you something because you are manager of teams and you're also his friend, and also, you have such nice genetics that will grow inside of me until we have a king, a future king. Okay, so there's one thing Ben does.

17:14Ronnie Karam: He never addresses me by my name. He's like, you mean like he calls you sweetie, darling, love, things like that? Baby, I'm not your schmookie. I'm not your pookie. I'm not your honey. I'm not your bunny. I'm not your all of this. What? What even is a donut dermal cranium?

17:34Ben Mandelker: But this is such a good conversation about cultural difference. because in Zim, when we say schmookie pookie, honey bunny, all of this all day long, it means hello, how are you? I'm from Zim. Yes, but that is interesting.

17:46Ronnie Karam: The first female president of Zim was named Honeypuss. Oh,

17:53Ben Mandelker: I did not know that. But I don't want to be called Honeypuss. I don't want to go to Zim. I am Balkan. Balkan princess. So then we get a nice montage of Ben being like, hello, boo-boo, sweetie pie, babe love honey sugar elbows puck up puck a pooch hey there bucklava platter it's like whoa

18:18Ronnie Karam: ginger toes um yeah this is interesting because i see this in comments sometimes talking about the show when people some people are like well that's you know sexist he shouldn't be talking to women like that which is where i land i think that's so gross yeah and then there are others that are like well it's a cultural difference i'm sorry but is that really what they're doing i don't believe that that's what they're doing in his country i don't believe that he would get away with that in 2026 that's crazy that's just fucking crazy so ellie has to accommodate herself to his

18:49Ben Mandelker: culture will he accommodate her to her culture i don't think so so that's why i think the cultural difference thing is like kind of falls apart um because i just also like we've had a lot of british chefs on this show. We've had a lot of British people on the show. We've had a lot of British people on Bravo and we've also met British people in real life, shockingly. And they are not every two seconds saying, hello, sweetie, honey, honeypot. However, I have met creepy people who say that kind of shit all the time. And that is, I don't know if you call that a cultural difference, but it's definitely a communication difference.

19:28Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm from the South. We do a little honey, sugar sweetie hey there hon you know we do a lot of that stuff um but i mean to the extent that he but you know i have been told as well like when i was waiting tables and this was 20 years ago but um not the last time i waited tables just when this happened but i was waiting on a table of ladies and i said something like okay hon like something like that and they were like mortified and they're like you do not speak to women like they told they let me have it at the table and i I was like, oh, shit, sorry, I'm Southern. Sorry. But that was like 20 years ago was the first time I got smacked for that one.

20:04Ronnie Karam: So I'm just surprised that it's all this time later. And it's like, what? It's just a cultural difference. No, it's a workplace. That is your culture. Your culture is being in a workplace. So Ellie's like, well, you know, but you don't work for him. And he doesn't call you love for 18 hours a day. Of all the quirks he's got, this is the one that's going to set me off. I'm telling you right now.

20:28Ben Mandelker: Having a boss call me all of these pet names not only as unprofessional, you're diminishing me into this small non-serious entity like it's affecting me on a personal level. I mean, my family has gone through war. I've been bombed as an eight-year-old child. You know, I spent my early childhood having to sell fruits and vegetables in the market with my mother so she could buy me milk. And I took that milk and I would sell that milk so I could buy baskets. and I'd take those baskets and fill it with more vegetables and sell the basket full of vegetables and then I'd buy cheese. And the point is, I've overcome so much of my life to become a strong, independent person and I want to be shown respect and I want to be treated as such and that matters to me.

21:10Ben Mandelker: She's absolutely right. She totally deserves respect and she doesn't even have to even sew in a war story. But I liked it because it's even more like, don't call me honey, I went through war. Like what a great card to play. Like, if you have the war card, ugh, use it.

21:25Ronnie Karam: Well, I like that Ellie plays that card even over, like, simple things. Like, when he was like, could you, you know, I'm tired. He said something a couple weeks. Like, I'm tired. She's like, I had bombs falling in my head when I was eight.

21:39Ben Mandelker: I like that she not only has the war card, she also has the post-war card of, like, selling vegetables in the market just to get milk. I was like, ugh, beautiful. It's like, no pun intended, chef's kiss. like that is just like use that card like just take get the mileage out of it because you deserve

21:57Ronnie Karam: it if you've been through that have you ever tried offloading two-day-old okra just for some two percent milk so he's like well tell them directly that you don't like it well which is actually i don't know how joao became like a somewhat sensible decent person but he did and um i think that's what she needs to do but she doesn't that's where things go that's where things take a turn i mean i think if ben was doing all of this and you told him like hey ben i don't like that and he continued or he gave you attitude or something like that but you have to at least tell him right someone has to at least tell well i mean it seems it seems that the logic would be

22:39Ben Mandelker: yeah oh you should like hey you're i don't could you please not call me that yes i think in workplace it gets tricky especially to your supervisor this is where it's a good time for there to be an hr and unfortunately there's not really an hr on these boats so um i don't know that's if anything it might actually be a good idea for her to go to the captain because he's yeah the captain hr you know and be like i don't want to make this a big thing and i don't want to change our stuff but like you know i don't really know how to approach this she's sort of going hr like i respect her going to joao and getting some advice from like a leadership person on the boat um like i think my first instinct as like on a human basis with how much we talk about these shows and personal interactions so i was like well tell the person how you feel but i just don't know if it's as cut and dry as that when you're in a work environment unfortunately and also when you're a woman and your supervisor is a man yada yada and yada well i guess you have to communicate it

23:36Ronnie Karam: is what I'm saying to somebody.

23:37Ben Mandelker: Communicate it.

23:39Ronnie Karam: Somebody has to tell him. Let someone know. So anyway, so he's like, tell him. So she's like, okay, I appreciate it. So then it's the next morning, four hours till charter. And Alicia goes to the crew mess and Jason's there. And she's like, morning, Captain. I must apologize, Cap, for the helmet. It won't happen again, but really hope to never have it again. He's like, I would like that. That's it. That's all you're giving her. She did not wear that helmet after fucking up all charter and you had to leave your viewing of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City to take that to her at dinner. That's it.

24:13Ronnie Karam: Cut her off from M &Ms or something. I want to see something here.

24:17Ben Mandelker: I think I'm ready for Alicia to go, quite frankly. So she says, I love Alicia, though.

24:22Ronnie Karam: I don't care. You do? I'm not ready for her to go. Yeah, I love her. I think she's really funny. And I love when anybody fights and it just cuts to her face and she's smiling. She's like, oh my God, I love this. Like when the Housewives were on, And you just see her little face poke behind a column or something. She's like, I love that she loves the mess.

24:42Ben Mandelker: So she tells us, getting the disco ball helmet was a real pain point for me. I've already cried a couple of times. I've already gone to captain saying I want to quit. And to be given a second chance, like for me, it means the stakes are really fucking high. And I could be gone instantly. I'm like, yeah, you could be gone, which is why you shouldn't be fucking up so much and getting that helmet. and then you can't even be responsible enough to take the helmet with you.

25:05Ronnie Karam: I think she just left it on purpose because she didn't want to look stupid in the helmet, you know? Well, there's that too. Which is even worse. So she's like, don't worry, I'm a one-time pony. And he's like, you've just got to turn it on. You've just got to turn it on. That fire that we all see in you, Alicia. Just kidding. He doesn't really say much. He just kind of blinks blankly. He gives us Homer Simpson blink, blink, like, well, you've just got to turn it on. Please don't cry. Please don't cry. Please don't cry. So then we go to the galley and Ben's in there and he's like, do you know what the instant coffee is, please?

25:37Ronnie Karam: I really need some instant coffee, Gelato Glabella. Please.

25:43Ben Mandelker: I've never touched the instant coffee. He's like, fuck, man. Go wash these dishes. There's still food on it. He's like, well, I need to wake the fuck up and go for a swim quickly. I just want to wake up. It's going to be good for us. It'll be good. It'll be like we both took a swim, Except I'm the only one swimming and you're doing the dishes. So I'm just going to jump in the water, love. That's it.

26:04Ronnie Karam: I'm just going to jump in the water after doing dishes badly. And you're here remedying that situation. All right, Shaglumps. See you later. She's like, okay. Are you fucking kidding me right now? I'm doing my best, but he's really pushing it. And then we see him. He's like putting on a bathrobe, heading down to the water. He's getting in, laying there, staring up at the sun.

26:28Ben Mandelker: it's like definitely giving like 1920s like wellness retreat like oh i've got to get the salt air to like clean my lungs out and he's just like yeah luxuriating and she's like oh for fuck's sake i really need to speak to ben about this shit because he was like okay if you do if you work extra hard then you can start later and i'll start later certainly but so like so make it all right because she's like complaining to daisy about this and she's like but then i go to work and he's not even there and you know you're like taking the peace. Daisy's like you're completely valid in what you're saying and it's not fair that it's coming down on you.

27:03Ben Mandelker: I wasn't really listening to what you're saying and I just figured I'd give you some of my standard Daisy advice so I can get out of this room and start doing what I have to do for the day.

27:12Ronnie Karam: Ellie has come in as a hard worker and I really think Ben needs to address this problem to start you know managing Ellie more or less and less time in the guest bathrobe. So she's like I've got your back on that. I've got your back on that. I do. I completely agree with you 100%. So now Jason radios the engineers because the new oven is arriving. And it just cuts to Ben floating in the water. Like, make a wish for Ben. You know, it's like make your mommy's wish come true day. So Alicia's like, we should put a bow on the oven. If I went to work and somebody gave me a stapler with a bow on it, I would throw the stapler at their head.

27:53Ronnie Karam: This is not a gift. This is a work tool. You are forcing me to use this stapler. How dare you treat it like it's a gift? I want a gold watch. I want muffins.

28:02Ben Mandelker: I wish it were like a wacky 80s comedy where Ellie were so mad that she like did some sort of curse and then like Ben became the oven and the oven became Ben. Like they had like a body switch because she was so mad and now she has to like communicate with this oven somehow. The oven's like, what's a cake in May at 350? What was that you said? And it could be called My Chef the Oven. It's actually more of a sitcom idea now that I think about it. I'm going to have to pitch it to Warner Brothers.

28:32Ronnie Karam: Warner Brothers is going to be like the lead has no charisma. You're like, it's an oven.

28:39Ben Mandelker: It's a British chef whose body was sent into the oven. What don't you get about this show?

28:48Ronnie Karam: does the does the oven talk it's an oven it doesn't talk does it move no it can't move it's

28:55Ben Mandelker: an oven all right like the pitch 24 episodes 24 episodes give it a full seven gets done he gets stung by an electric eel while he's swimming and dies just at the exact same moment that they plug in up the oven for the first time and his soul enters the oven and he becomes the oven and Ellie becomes the head chef but she doesn't totally know what to do but no one can know that the oven has been so there's a lot of hijinks where Ellie is like talking to the oven and then Daisy walks like who are you talking to

29:23Ronnie Karam: no one it's no one and the audience

29:25Ben Mandelker: laughs

29:27Ronnie Karam: why isn't this oven cooking my chicken bombs fell on my head it's like take that custard silly

29:37Ben Mandelker: honey this is a sitcom not a good

29:39Ronnie Karam: moment to talk about war um so they do put a bow on this oven and they're very proud of it like jason has his arm around alicia they're just staring at the new oven like wow we did it we have something that should work now working on a boat this is where we've come this is where you're proud of of replacing an oven so ben's like wow look at that it's massive look at this unadulterated potential in a box.

30:09Ben Mandelker: So like, yes, yes, that's, that's what I think about every time I turn on the TV. So Jenna is like, Jenna and Eddie are cleaning the bar and Jenna's saying, how do you know? I tell colleagues, we need to be professional. He's like, definitely. I'm being a big boy now. And I'm in the process of learning my lesson. I'm just going to play and be myself. And I think she'll come around. I'm like, that's going to make it even worse. Honestly, don't be yourself

30:36Ronnie Karam: maybe she'll want me more tomorrow so then we go to Jason and it's preference sheet meeting time everybody alright here we go charter number 4 444444 4 day charter everybody and they're like no no god oh god is that even legal alright Clay and his husband Mark after not having an official wedding party their main goal is to have a once in a lifetime memorable celebration of their love years together with their group of best friends. They are gay. Get as many party city rainbows as you can possibly buy. Alright? And now... Lots of five-cent rainbow themed things. They are homosexuals. They only respond to rainbows.

31:19Ben Mandelker: Now let's go to glamorous Tampa, Florida three weeks ago where we meet Mark. And he's one of the co-primaries and he's playing fetch with his dog, Aria. Aria Stark, if you will. And Clay tells us, I was actually looking for some new clothes and I didn't have, I guess, fashion style. And Mark was the associate that came up to me and said, would you like me to help you? And so he did. And I said, oh, by the way, I'm very wealthy and the rest is history.

31:47Ronnie Karam: Girl, this is like an old man, young man situation. That man went into a Tommy Bahamas and went home with the sales person. You see? Yep. Look, Jenna.

31:59Ben Mandelker: There's hope for Jenna.

32:00Ronnie Karam: This is a very Jenna positive episode.

32:04Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But it also shows that she can just stay on land. And it might even be easier. Well, what would be even easier about saying, what's good about Mark in those situations is you have the wealthy person and they're feeling vulnerable because they're not sure about their decision. And then you can come in with like authority and there could be like a Florence Nightingale situation. but um instead of it being that like this nurse who saved you it's like you're the person who gave someone really good fashion advice and for us gay is that is kind of like a nurse it's a gay

32:34Ronnie Karam: who saved your fashion sense yeah but did he because we see some outfits on clay and i'm like well i don't know i don't know if this is the way you know but he's like i got this at tampa

32:49Ben Mandelker: fashion week. So Mark is like, he's like, I thought he was handsome, kind, and genuine. So we exchanged numbers, and next thing you know, I'm on a yacht sipping espresso martinis and a mimosa. So Clay basically was like, yeah, let me show you why you should be interested in me. I'm taking you on a yacht and the rest of the history.

33:08Ronnie Karam: There you go. So Clay's like, we've been married a few years now. We didn't have a big shindig, if you will. This is our big event to celebrate our wedding. Um, and then, uh, Jason's like, all right, Clay and Mark are joined by their friends Michelle, Alex, Christina, Shay, Mira, Mark's sister, Sophia, I'll just keep naming names. We've got 75 people coming on board.

33:32Ben Mandelker: Clay and Mark would like a yacht crew to set up a Vara noodle on the sun deck because they want to make sure that their relationship is doomed. And they would love Captain Jason to officiate because they want to also make sure they can go to sleep quickly.

33:45Ronnie Karam: the pressure is real like this is supposed to be the most important day of their lives and that's coming from me and my team this is going to be a lot it's a lot look it's four days it's

33:57Ben Mandelker: going to be busy you've got to come out you've got to come out of this rot actually like empty in the tank okay guys so get to it so everyone is prepping the boat cleaning and cleaning and in the galley, Ben, of course, they include every single Ben, like, instance of saying sweetie and honey and whatever because this is the blow-up episode. So he's like, hello, sweetie, you all right? Squishy earlobes, how are you feeling? She's like, okay, peace, peace and tranquility. So he's just, like, looking at the oven. This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. I wonder if I can go swimming in it.

34:36Ronnie Karam: And then Ben and Daisy you're talking on deck and she's like well listen but sometimes i see ellie in there you're not and i worry she's gonna get burnt out he's like what are you even talking about well i saw her there working the other day and i didn't know if you clocked off and i don't know if like that's the way you'd scheduled it or you know if you're just being lazy or something he's like no no it's not that listen i've got to do menu planning i've got to make sure the provisioning's arrived i've gotta scrutinize preference sheets. I've gotta, you know, tan. Tan. I've gotta get tan. Gotta get that sweet, salty water right in the middle of my belly button.

35:12Ronnie Karam: You know how it is, Daze. Come on, Daze.

35:15Ben Mandelker: Look, I tremendously value Ellie, or as I like to call her, gooey shinbones. And, you know, if two in a row explain that I'm the worst possible boss in the world, where does that leave me? Still, as an accomplished chef, and then as two people who complain a lot, I suppose, but I mean I might be the worst boss in the world at that point maybe I am maybe custard kneecaps has

35:38Ronnie Karam: a thought about this that might be true it's just the nature of the beast it's not designed for the fate of heart and I'm lucky to have her because she is a trooper she is a trooper so I think part of this is how he's setting expectations I think it should be like listen I am the chef you are not even a sous chef, you're an assistant and your job is to clean my dishes and cut things when I tell you to. And that's it. I'm going to finish first and you're going to have to clean all the dishes. And it sucks, but you're working your way up in the kitchen and it's a lowly job and eventually you work your way up.

36:12Ronnie Karam: But right now, it's your first time. This is all you get to do. Because I think by setting it up like, we're a team, darling, and all this stuff, it's like, well, then why am I doing all the dishes? Well, you're doing all the dishes because that's your job, you know? So I don't know. I mean, this goes beyond the honey pie, sweetie stuff. Honestly.

36:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I think it's okay to be like, unfortunately you have to get hazed. Like you do have to do the cleaning. Like that's just, that's the way it is. Like, but, um, but like the, yeah, for sure. The, the honey pie and boo boo and all that stuff like that's definitely got.

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39:42Ronnie Karam: so then we go to alicia and jenna in the laundry room and um alicia's like oh my god you know it's like 9 45 everything's in an absolute state we're gonna have guests in like two hours Oh, my God. Clean, clean, clean. So then we go back to the galley with Ben and Ellie, and he's like, Oh, hon, I just wanted to have a quick chat there, all right, my little chocolate chin? All right, I spoke to Daisy. She brought it to my attention that quite often she sees you doing dishes and stuff, and I'm, like, sitting down. And she's like, Yes, well, the biggest issue for me was that I felt it was very insensitive on your part to just up and leave and just leave me on my own to clean.

40:19Ronnie Karam: I really didn't like that. That upset me. We are one team. And it felt like a piss take, Ben, honestly. And, you know, be like, oh, I just don't have the mental capacity. Like, what about me? It's insensitive. I sold vegetables.

40:33Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm sorry about that, Fudgy Follicles. It was very insensitive. And just communicate with me. Like, if you think I'm missing something, but be nice about it. Just, you know, give me a job, you know? That would be pretty cool.

40:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, you want a job? Okay. He's just like, okay, well, sorry that happened. Sorry that happened. Let's give a hug. Tyda. Tyda. Oh, yeah. Hug me, Tyda. Hug me, Tyda. Oh, yes. Good job, Poling Gakes.

41:03Ben Mandelker: Can I get in on this tight hug? I would have really liked to be in on this.

41:07Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. It was too hard. It was too hard. Need a softer hug. So now Daisy is, you know, bossing everybody around to get clean, get the boat cleaned and stuff. and Alicia is still worried about laundry and she neglects the beds even after she was told only concentrate on the beds. So then Daisy and Joao are in the crew mess.

41:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and Daisy's like, hello, how are you on deck? He's like, well, would you want to come and wash some windows with me? And Daisy's like, no, what are you doing after the season? Are you going back to work? And he's like, well, I might just go back home. To be honest, I split my time between Majorca and South Africa, specifically Zim. So she goes, so is Palma your home? Well, it was. I had a house with my ex. Here comes a sad story from Zim. And she goes, well, what? When did you break up? It was November of last year. Is she Spanish? She's German. Does she have arms? She has three of them.

42:04Ben Mandelker: How did that happen? I don't know. That's why we broke up. Too many arms.

42:08Ronnie Karam: Ah, she's German. So you love a foreign girl, don't you? And he's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? And she's like, ah, well, just German. It's like going around the world. Now, Irish, have you dated an Irish girl before then? It's like, no, no, actually, I haven't. What about you? No, I haven't dated an Irish girl. But I don't have very successful relationships. Why? Have you watched this show? Do any of the countries you live in show this show, Gary? Okay.

42:39Ben Mandelker: I'm probably the kind of person I'm just attracted to them. Absolute dickheads. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, I like a dickhead. Well, what qualities do you look for? Well, I like secure people. Somebody who doesn't put me down. Men find me difficult, you know. Oh, well, you know, that's intimidating. Yes, it's kind of hot. Like, well, yeah, maybe intimidating. Maybe that's the word. Because it takes a long time. It takes so long to break down my walls. Or like, whatever the fuck is going on inside of me. Yeah, it kind of sucks when in the end. But it is what it is. Get back to work, Joao. Why are you angry at me?

43:12Ben Mandelker: What do you think? What do you think you're looking for, genuinely? I'm like, why is this conversation? Shouldn't you guys be getting ready for the guests that are coming in, and you guys are having like a bachelor conversation?

43:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I feel like they're trying to make this happen, and I just don't believe this. I'm feeling no chemistry. None of this. But I think they're like, well, we're on below deck. We're supposed to do this. All right, let's give it the old go. They're like, wow, I like dickheads. But I'm not a dickhead this season. So I'm a very, very good person this season. let's skip over the girlfriend broke up with me pardon let's not go into that

43:47Ben Mandelker: yes it was totally innocent why that all happened nothing bad happened at all I am charming look at me smiling and being supportive so now we go Alicia still doing laundry because she's just in there for whatever reason and then in the galley Ben's like alright I'm just gonna pop this in the oven I love you to check it out you know about cakes don't you uh what yes, remember I have a story about working in bakery after the war? Oh. Well, yes. So, do the cake. And back in the day, I used to get fucking punched and kicked and frying pans thrown at my head, and I was like, yeah, cheers, mate. I learned a lot from that.

44:29Ben Mandelker: That was great. But this day and age, you can't really do that. Sad that you can't throw a cast-iron skillet at someone's head just because they forgot to put the toothpick into a cake, but I guess I'm growing and learning.

44:41Ronnie Karam: yeah it's funny how he's like yeah i used to get abused so i'm not gonna be be abusive i'm gonna be nice like this do you know what a cake is do you understand cakes little sweet mumple mumple

44:54Ben Mandelker: maple maple mumps she literally just made an amazing birthday cake like two two charters ago remember she made that thing the the edges that were sharp and clean and beautiful and she put the strawberries on top. She like killed the cake assignment. And I was like, do you understand the concept of the cake? Do you know what flour is? I'm not talking about the things that grow on the ground.

45:16Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Mike and Daisy and she's like, are you ready for the new charter, Mike? He's like, I literally cannot wait. No, I'm being serious. I feel like this with this charter, I'm going to come in with a positive mindset. I just want to keep learning and improving, you know? I just want to keep improving on what I'm doing. I just want you to know, I got your back. Got your back, Daze. Got your back.

45:36Ben Mandelker: Oh, I'm gonna do something that no one in the past five years has seen me do. I'm gonna smile, Mike. I think that's so great. Not a lot of people can self-reflect. Wait a second. I think I missed a smile. Too late. It's closed up again. You'll have to wait again another six years.

45:52Ronnie Karam: Come here and give me a hug, Mike. Give me a hug. And he's like, oh, all right, a hug. You smell lovely as well, by the way. Oh, God, Mike. Shut up, Mike. I'm not coming on to you. Mike so gross

46:06Ben Mandelker: I know Alicia is still doing Laundry and she says she's about to have a mental Breakdown which is exactly how I feel Watching her about to have a mental breakdown

46:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah She's not gonna win the worker of the year Award that's for sure no Well I'm getting real conscious At time guys Oh for fuck's sake so we see That Alicia has left piles of towels on the floor And uh daisy's like oh for fuck's sake why did she do that 40 minutes until we need to be ready come on

46:37Ben Mandelker: yeah why is it like that and jenna's like i'm just gonna hold you up and put it away real quick so daisy's alicia just be wary of the things that you start from now on that includes boyfriends

46:53Ronnie Karam: yeah so um now she's telling us mark and clay looks super cute she's so excited she loves gays so now we go to the galley and uh ellie's like i put the fish in the fridge oh thank you sweetie that's great wow that's a good start thank you darling my little my little cookies cubitus

47:13Ben Mandelker: us doing a great job and um the the gays come on board and daisy gives them the tour they they love it and um then the deck crew is helping the anchors pull up and it's fine it's actually they there's not even a drama it's just like you blink and the boat's already like heading out to sea i was like well okay well i guess we're not watching below deck anymore apparently we not that we're saying there is drama when the anchors come up but usually we have a 10 minute process and a commercial break to make us think the boat's about to sink. And this time they just let the boat just go out to sea without any issues.

47:46Ben Mandelker: I was like, okay, great.

47:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then a guest did. They've got enough going on today without relying on anchor drama. So the guests are unpacking and one lady opens her closet and there's like a panty liner on the wall of the closet, on the inside wall. And she's like, oh my God, oh my God, it's a panty liner. Oh my God, I've never seen anything like this in my life, never in my life. Daisy, Daisy, there's a penny lighter in my closet, Daisy, Daisy. She's on the floor having convulsions. There's a penny lighter on it.

48:22Ben Mandelker: Who did that? Who did that? I was trying to think about it. The last charter were those women. I just don't see any of those women doing that. I don't see any of, was her name Mecca? I don't think that entire crew. I just don't see anyone doing that. They didn't get like drunk and crazy enough to do something like that. The one before that was that.

48:40Ronnie Karam: What if it was Mecca? She just reached down, grabbed it, and slammed it on the wall and then said, you know what? That is my best. You just got mecca'd.

48:50Ben Mandelker: Is this your best? And the charter before that was the ballroom dancer with the white powdery face. So I'm like, was it? You know what? It probably was there since the real house. It's a Salt Lake City. Probably Heather slapped it on there. Like, this is hilarious. Look at me being a wild girl right now.

49:08Ronnie Karam: I actually would believe that 100%. and they just don't clean the interior closet walls.

49:13Ben Mandelker: And no one noticed. No one noticed. No one saw it. I think that it's either that or the producers just slapped it on there to create some drama. But I can actually see Heather, maybe Bronwyn. I mean, Bronwyn did, you know, instigate the uni attack doing something like that. Or Whitney, for sure. This is like, or Brittany, like Brittany thinks she's being hilarious.

49:37Ronnie Karam: I think it's all like, It could be like 90 % of the cast of Salt Lake City, and I would believe it. Yeah. So Daisy comes in, and she sees it, and she goes, oh, gross. Why is it there, Daisy? Why is it there? It's a panty liner. It's like, oh, my God. I'm so sorry. We'll get this clean for you. And Mike's just cracking up. He's like, I'm sorry. Whose pants have been down? That's my question. Whose pants have been down? Why didn't they call me? I would have been there for them. Love her. Very attractive to you, whoever's panty liner that is.

50:08Ben Mandelker: You look great, by the way. So someone else is like, you must go soak your hand with some bleach because you don't know where the earth it's been. I mean, clearly it's been around. It's like, I'm so sorry about that.

50:18Ronnie Karam: I like the fact that clearly she's been around. Only sluts put their panty liners on the inside closet walls.

50:27Ben Mandelker: Well, that's a slutty wall if I ever saw one. Closet of the sluts. So, of course, Mike gets it down to his primary job, which is going to every single room of this boat and telling everyone, about what happened. He's like, hey, Ben, guess what? The guest came downstairs and there's a panty liner stuck on the cardboard and they've stuck it to the wall. They found it. So glad I wasn't on cabins. I'm like, yeah, you've been in a cabin and you all share responsibility for this. I firmly believe this panty liner was there for weeks, weeks, I tell you, and no one saw it.

51:01Ronnie Karam: So now we go to Alicia taking drink orders and the gays are like, um, hi, do you know how to make a paper airplane? She goes, I do. Good drink. Oh, I thought you meant a physical one. But I can learn. I can learn. He's like, yeah, it's called paper plane. I need a paper plane. What is a paper plane?

51:21Ben Mandelker: We're obviously going to look it up right now. But also, I kind of don't believe Alicia can make a real paper plane anyway. She's like, look, guys, I made a paper plane. It's like, that's just a wadded up ball of paper. But it's a plane. It can fly. I swear it could fly. Oh, Mommy was right. I shouldn't have tried to go to aviation school.

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52:08Ben Mandelker: I was wondering if actually it was related to that. Guys, I was wondering. I already know. I already know. I was so on top of this. I basically answered it in my head. I should have said that out loud. I'm so smart. I was like, guys, it's obviously a cocktail based off of MIA.

52:24Ronnie Karam: I've been watching The Traitors UK season four, which is amazing. Don't worry, I won't say any spoilers about it because it is the best season I've seen. You should definitely watch it. It's on the internet. gotta watch it so everybody go watch it it's so good so uh anyway almost i would say like most i don't want to say percentage because i keep saying 90 today i don't know why i keep saying that but i would say that most of the round tables they get the person and then the person is not a traitor and then someone goes i knew what i told you guys no you didn't you never said anything what are you talking about they're one of those people like in the game you know you play trivial pursuit and they they're like i knew it no you didn't or you would have answered that like why are you saying i knew it at the last second you did not get points for saying you do

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53:49Ronnie Karam: It looks sweet. To me, no. It's too fruity and bitter for me.

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