#3287 Below Deck Down Under S04E09 Part One: Honey Don’t

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2:01Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Benooney over there. Hello, Ben. How are you, my little darling face?

2:11Ben Mandelker: I'm great, thanks. How are you doing, Ronnie?

2:14Ronnie Karam: Good. It's just so good to be here on another Bravo day. Nothing's really happening in the world. What?

2:24Ben Mandelker: Oh, my God. Oh my God, it's a press conference. Oh my God.

2:29Ronnie Karam: Breaking news. Oh my gosh. She's coming up. It's West. It's West from Summer House. West, West. What do you have to say? West. I just wanted to tell everybody that I'm just a little boy and I don't really understand anything that's going on. So I'd just like to introduce Amanda Batula to have her say. Amanda.

2:51Ben Mandelker: Thanks, West. well as i said on my instagram stories um we've seen the growing online speculation so while

3:00Ronnie Karam: well well amanda who is we who is we amanda who is we um the royal we it's like me and my um

3:10Ben Mandelker: bikinis for girls who have large breasts the all of us together have seen the growing speculation And so, like, while this is still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything except our oversized boobs in bikini tops that fit properly.

3:33Ronnie Karam: We were trying to accidentally hide it. Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on reality TV show, Kyle, we needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it.

3:52Ben Mandelker: And, uh, Kyle, we've shown up for each other as friends over the years.

3:57Ronnie Karam: Hold on, I'm going to play a set. Hold on. Why isn't anybody paying attention to me?

4:02Ben Mandelker: Kyle We've shown up for each other As friends over the years Through all the highs and lows And what's developed recently was the last thing Either of us expected Our connection grew out of a genuine Longstanding friendship Which made it especially important for us to approach this With care, Kyle

4:22Ronnie Karam: Fuck you, Amanda Don't pay attention to me Kyle As our feelings evolved We wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact beyond just us and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or perceived as careless. The only thing careless here is West's broccoli hair. I'm sorry, West has a bullet, everybody. There, I said it. I said it.

4:51Ben Mandelker: We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. And of course, what I'm talking about are the new flavors on the Starbucks menu. Thank you, everyone, for respecting your privacy while we figure out the new menu. Thank you. Wow, Amanda. Wow. Wow. Wow. Well, so it sounds, I'm assuming she's talking about the scandal. Wow.

5:18Ronnie Karam: So that's not even like they just made out and she's wearing his baseball cap. That's like they're together together. another oh amanda that's like when i lost weight finally and then i grew back on my hair you can

5:31Ben Mandelker: never win you can never win okay you know what's what's what's terrible for amanda and we'll get to west too by the way but what's terrible for amanda is that here she's embarking on this romantic relationship with west it sounds like and she is going to burn all of her friendships in the house definitely sierra she's never gonna earn that friendship back with sierra like that's done and dusted probably page two um lindsey everyone like she's burned all these friendships she's they're all gone for a guy that ultimately is just gonna be like i'm scared of commitment and like this is like really intense and everyone hates me so i think we shouldn't do this anymore like like this is it's for something that's not gonna go anywhere and that's just sad yeah that

6:21Ronnie Karam: is sad i mean i would have rather it just been like listen everybody i'm single he's single we fucked a couple times get off my ass okay sierra knows i told her something but oh amanda west no i mean anybody else i think if it was ben you know but the whole west and then sierra thing that's just not going to be good i mean sierra's kind of the queen of that show yeah she is these days and rightfully so i mean she's she's earned it beyond her beauty you know because everyone's always like but she's so pretty how could you do this to someone so pretty yeah ugly people get fucked over to you guys okay but beyond her beyond her obvious gorgiosity um the fact that that's one of your girlfriends who's standing up for you currently on this episode that we're watching this week it's like sierra standing up for you and sierra trying to help you through your problems with your shitty marriage and everything like that and i know that sierra and west were never married they were never even dating technically i mean i don't even think they said they were boyfriend or girlfriend ever but you know what's going on there and you know that this is bad you know that this is terrible girl code what are you doing amanda oh my god i thought you were smarter than this but you have been married to kyle for a decade so

7:36Ben Mandelker: and also like west is so generic like couldn't you find just a different west like they're everywhere like why why this west and again this is just not gonna go anywhere it's just gonna be him being like um amanda um yeah like you're really cute like that's just like it's it's terrible and on top of that now on the west end of it i'm not intended um this guy again like we said yesterday he spends an entire last season moping about sierra this season he's got his foot you know tapping her calf while while drunk and like oh my god she really likes me she really likes me all of this bullshit just to like shit on it we knew that was a lie we knew that we knew that was a lie and it seems like that's gonna get and we knew it looks like based on the the the second half of the season that um he's gonna he's gonna screw it up by the end of the season so that is going to happen but it's just like it just it speaks to the bullshit you know if this is if he's truly in love with sierra if he really cares about sierra if you want sierra i don't know i just don't think this is what you do even if you acknowledge like if it becomes clear i my shot with sierra is gone it's done i have to move on i can't hope to keep trying for sierra like she's closed the door to me sure move on but don't move on and hurt her in the process if this is someone that you can't truly say is the one that got away the one that you love you're just not you're just gonna you still are gonna hold her in high regard and not hurt her and that's exactly what it seems like he has done he doesn't care he's only in it for the fame you

9:11Ronnie Karam: know he's in it for the fame he's like a poser he's like a tiktok he has tiktok hair okay he's like a bar school sports guy he doesn't take a bath and has a mullet like i can't with this guy i just can't i can't why with west why with all of all people and then west you know kyle's supposed to be his friend too so like hello guy code what the hell i mean look part of me is like they're all in a house that's about fucking and there's only a certain amount of people in the cast so you're you know sierra's got two basically with jesse and west you know that are kind of into her who have been messing with her feelings so who's left kyle's already taken then there's ben who boring and then kj's taken automatically but you know you can't do things outside the group you And then that part of me that's like, well, they're both adults and they're both single.

10:01Ronnie Karam: And if this is their thing, then that's fine. Like, you can't help who you love. I hate even saying that. But it's other parts like, but you both have friends that you're kind of fucking over with this whole thing, too. And like, isn't that more important than your whatever, your stupid influencer bullshit relationship, which I probably don't even believe. And third of all, how do you go from one man child to another guy who's like got broccoli hair and trying to like dress like every teenager on TikTok? I just don't. Come on, man.

10:30Ben Mandelker: You can't help who you love, but you can have standards. And they're like woefully missing in this situation. I think it's fascinating the parallels between this and Skandaval. you know you have ariana and sierra who are both kind of cut from the same mold in terms of bravo types which is like principled upstanding girls girls who are by and large like really respected and loved by the audience and they like seem to be the ones standing up for the right things there like sierra has really never had ever a storyline where it's like oh wow like i'm like i hate i I fucking hate Sierra. I don't think there's ever been a situation where like half the audience loves Sierra.

11:14Ben Mandelker: Half the audience hates Sierra. Maybe people got annoyed with her for going back to Austin so many times during that dreaded chapter. But like by and large, the audience has always been behind Sierra. By and large, the audience was always behind Ariana. And in both cases, these two people who really went above and beyond to be there for their girlfriends get screwed over by their girlfriends, which is crazy. And then you have Amanda and you have Raquel and you have two women who kind of are in relationships with guys who kind of disregard them in a way. Or like they're like they're both DJs. They're in relationship with DJs.

11:54Ronnie Karam: They're both DJs with substance abuse issues.

11:57Ben Mandelker: who are like in it who are like really focused on in kyle's case you know going to these random bars and playing in james's case playing on top of some toilet paper at the end tom tom uh but the point is that they're kind of taking their women for granted and you have these sort of like women who are just kind of like left on the side and they've sort of wind up in these situations amanda's not technically in an affair, but it's affair adjacent. Yeah, I mean, the

12:28Ronnie Karam: clearing difference is that Tom and Ariana were in a long-term relationship of like 10 years or whatever. So that's a huge, that's a pretty huge difference. And also, I think Amanda has a lot in common with Ariana in that she's the one who's sitting at home, who just wants her partner to be at home watching Love Island, which is like the same basic plot of that one. But she's also kind of the Raquel, even though, you know, she's technically not cheating. I mean, people are trying to make this into Scandaball, but it's really not. It's not the same thing. It's not a cheating. It's not an affair.

12:59Ronnie Karam: This one, the betrayal is more a friendship. And it's double, you know, and Amanda's going to get more of it because Amanda and Sierra, I think that everyone accepts that guys are pieces of shit. And no one is surprised that West or Jesse or Kyle, none of them would be surprising to end up being a douchebag. We all know they're douchebags. We all know that. So Amanda's going to get it worse because she has been, you know, that's one of her best friends who's been standing there for her. So I think that's the ultimate betrayal. And it's yikes. It's not great.

13:33Ben Mandelker: And it's you're right. It's not technically an affair, although I don't know if Kyle and Amanda are not. I don't think that they are actually divorced.

13:41Ronnie Karam: No, but I guess you're allowed to bang people when you're separated. Right. Right. I've learned that from half slaves.

13:46Ben Mandelker: Technically, like, I don't know, like technically, actually, some could make an argument that's an affair. But what makes it different is that this group of people that like convene together in a house. They're like, they're all living together. And there's like that crucible energy of them all being in there being crushed by Bravo TV intensity. And so like not an affair, flagrant violation of girl and bro code. But it's also like summer house, like share house code violation too. like you're all in this house and you're having an affair within the house there's like there's like that craziness of that as well um but also like the other thing is that like amanda and kyle are like uh just like uh tom and ariana are long-standing couple in this group and so like we really know the ins and outs of them and we thought we really knew amanda but do we really know amanda did we really know amanda outside of outside of like the context of kyle i'm not

14:48Ronnie Karam: actually sure we did well i don't think amanda is like suddenly this evil mastermind horrible person and i you know she's just lonely i think she's making a terrible decision here but also because i really just don't like west so i think she's making a terrible decision to me it's very clear this guy's just using you to get on the city i don't think if amanda had this spinoff show that was shooting that west would care but west is clearly planning on jumping over to this new show um i don't trust that guy but anyway about amanda amanda's gonna get stoned in the streets you know figuratively and i you know i don't hate amanda suddenly i just think she's that's the guy who's been we see it on the show right now west is the one who's like you need to treat with amanda with respect and then amanda you deserve better and this and that so i think she's sees a kind of a really sweet life raft i mean west is really nice if you're falling for his bullshit so if you're falling for that act you know he does seem like a really sweet guy who's just being supportive and then friendship led to whatever so i kind of feel bad for her in a way but man this is a bad move to be fucking over your girlfriend i mean that's the thing is that like i believe that

16:00Ben Mandelker: she has been really lonely i think she's been lonely in her marriage i think she's been lonely in this relationship for a while i think like when you're when you're lonely and someone shows you attention.

16:12Ronnie Karam: It's like, I fall in love with UPS people. Okay. I'm single all the time. I'm single by choice, but it doesn't mean I never get lonely. I literally, when people are delivering my Instacart, I look at their picture and if it's a hot guy, I'm like, Oh my God, like I'll comb my hair.

16:29Ben Mandelker: But I think that she was low. I think that she's lonely and I cannot, I can't like, you know, I can't take that away from her. She was lonely. However, uh, and you know, normally me, you know, how many times have I come on this podcast and be like, you know, what the woman did was bad, but let's not forget what the guy did because I always feel like the women always get it worse than the guys. Let's not overlook what Wes did. Wes is shitty and he's been trying to perpetuate an image of him being this nice guy and sensitive and thoughtful, but he's doing something shitty. However, in this case, I actually think Amanda is the shittier one because I think the hurt to Sierra is worse.

17:10Ben Mandelker: I think Amanda's hurt to Sierra is worse than Wes hurt to Sierra or Wes hurt to Kyle. I think Amanda and Sierra is a deeper, richer relationship. And I think that we see Sierra as someone who's very, very guarded and she's worked hard to bring down her walls just to be on the show and be like a contributing member to the show. She's let down her walls. And, you know, they always are encouraging her to come out of her shell a little bit more and not be so cut and dry. And I feel like this is the exact sort of thing that gives Sierra her walls in the first place and has her put them up. And I just think it's damaging to her.

17:46Ben Mandelker: I think it's like really cruel. And I think Amanda, forget Kyle, forget anyone else in the house. I think Amanda, this is really so hurtful to Sierra. And I think it's -

18:01Ronnie Karam: Well, but you know, and not taking West out again, And West is the one who got involved so deeply emotionally with Sierra and then is doing this. So West, you know, West is still West. I think it comes down to like who I just like the most. And I'm not going to go hate Amanda after this, but I didn't like West anyway. So he can fuck around.

18:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm just saying I think Amanda did the shittier. I think in this case, Amanda did do the shittier thing. You know, I, you know, I'm always the one who's going to be like, remember the guys rolling this? Don't let massage, don't let cultural misogyny make you forget about what the guy did. but I think actually in this case, Amanda, Amanda was more of the, like, I think she's inflicted more harm and, but they're both, they both did something incredibly shitty.

18:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yikes. So that's that. Yeah. Yikes. Okay. So good luck with that. Good luck with that. You two have fun.

18:56Ben Mandelker: Picking up the camera. I wonder if I'm sure Bravo is going to pick up the camera. Well, I guess the city is the picking up of the cameras. Yeah. Probably pick up the cameras on the city.

19:04Ronnie Karam: Because they said that they went shooting right. They shot the city right after Summer House, which means they would have been through like August, August, September through the holidays, roughly. So, yeah, they'll probably pick those cameras right back up, baby.

19:18Ben Mandelker: and out of respect to one of the great reality tv shows of all time known as the city let's please call the show by its proper name in the city because there's a difference between in the city

19:31Ronnie Karam: and the city yeah there's no olivia palermo here don't even try it don't even you can still you can steal someone's man but you cannot steal olivia palermo from my memory don't even i just

19:46Ben Mandelker: saw an entertainment weekly cover from like 2006 with olivia poliamo on it i was like oh god i missed that show it was so good the city i would argue that the city was better than the hills no i really did like the city though oh my god i still remember her apartment olivia's apartment

20:04Ronnie Karam: on the rooftop of that place and she had people over for dinner and the whole table was outside in new york i mean wow anyway the point is what sucks and i don't want anyone to ever forget uh so um good for them uh so sorry to everybody who doesn't even know what that stuff is we will you know time stamp this so if you don't give a shit about these children fucking uh sorry for

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22:41Ronnie Karam: Okay, so here we are, Below Deck, Down Under, Season 4, Episode 9. Whoa. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

22:52Ben Mandelker: Ellie is furious at Ben, and she's now just gone. Merging upstairs to the captain.

22:57Ronnie Karam: I need to see the captain. I need to see the captain right now. Captain. Captain. No, don't go through there. There's customers there. Don't go through there. That's where the guests are. I don't care. I do not care. I sought fruit as a child.

23:11Ben Mandelker: i sold fruit for milk he's a child i will do this captain what just happened in the galley it's unacceptable he's like what happened the weapon speaks to me just what was it about

23:23Ronnie Karam: jason and his homer simpson backing into a bush eyes he's just like oh what happened there it's just like slowly backing away he just does that blink blink he's like oh god another day of women's emotions. Endman. Let's watch how I react to women's emotions this time. He's just like, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank.

23:46Ben Mandelker: Like, I was just looking for my M &Ms. Now I have to deal with this.

23:50Ronnie Karam: He needs me to do certain things for dinner, but he never told me about it. And then all of a sudden he was like, you need to hurry up. Dinner is starting. Well, you need to do all these things. I could prioritize my day better if you, as my manager, have told me, by the way, these are your tasks. I need them done by this time. What is the point of whiteboard? Why?

24:08Ben Mandelker: And you told him that? I just told him that right now. Me and my ponytail told him. No, Ben, he's trying to make me feel like we are about to fail dinner service because of me. So yes, I lost it, but this man is literally driving me insane. He's like, well, I actually thought the communication was pretty good inside the galley. I mean, not that I was in there or observing or doing anything other than smelling samples of sandalwood. But I thought you guys were working well together.

24:33Ronnie Karam: I haven't had a woman come up here crying lately, so I figured everything was okay in the galley, and I could watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City with my little talking bowl friends that I eat. All right? So, sorry, but I had no sign of this. She's like, well, I've been trying. So, and he's like, oh, yeah, I can see that. I can see that you're trying. Okay? Let me blink a few times blankly. Okay. Are you backing away or am I backing away? Not really. I'm in a bush. I'm in a bush. All right. The show's over. Okay, I think that this is kind of a weak argument of Ellie's going up there and being like, he's mad at me because I didn't do stuff and I didn't even know I was supposed to do stuff.

25:12This sounds like, that's just not a good argument.

25:15Ronnie Karam: I mean, if you're going to go up there being like, he calls me sweetie and sugar and dumpling all fucking day and he's so condescending and then he gets pissy and no one sees the pissy side. They only see this, oh, he's so sweet. It's not sweet. I'm sick of this shit. Like if she had done something like that, maybe. but this whole like he wanted stuff done that i didn't get done but he didn't tell me in time

25:37Ben Mandelker: and i'm pissed it's like yeah that's like that's a conversation you have after service i agree with you though like i think that her her frustration with being called honey and sweetie and and you know pudding pops like for sure that's actually 100 worthy of going to the captain to discuss um and she does she does do that very shortly but um i think that like i wonder if she's like trying to think like maybe I should lead with more of the managerial things first before I get into my personal issues. But she's like, I'm not going to be a doormat, Captain. What about being a kimono? No, I will not be a kimono.

26:13Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, I totally agree. You won't be a doormat or a kimono. So then downstairs Jenna walks into the galley and she's like, alright. He's like, no, I'm not very alright. Custard cheeks. Elena just fucking spat chips at me big time. It's like, you know, with no inkling of prior unhappiness except for the meeting that we had three hours earlier

26:35Ronnie Karam: this is all coming as a big big shock to me yeah and um sorry he's like yeah you know this is just unfair you know this is completely unfair now she's fucking complaining to the captain in the middle i mean that's not professional you save it i have the weight of the world on my shoulders so i need to be in a good headspace and this is just not what i need right now i mean what is this a wedding that I've already paid for that I've been left at?

27:05Ben Mandelker: Captain Jason, he always calls me honey, baby, sweetie pie, sugar pie. It's humiliating to me. What about good nicknames like good vegetable seller, bombing survivor milk drinker, things like that that I was always called.

27:26Ronnie Karam: Well, he shouldn't be calling you anything that you don't want to be called you've got boundaries and you need to communicate those boundaries but i'll communicate them with him about that as well and i think you need to go back in and create boundaries that's what we're doing today all right today i don't even want you cutting cucumbers i want you creating boundaries all right because i'm with you i understand i'll get to the bottom of it or i'm sorry that was a private body part i should have said that all right but i will get this i will get to it.

27:57Ben Mandelker: Don't you worry. This is the most generic advice. Create boundaries. I was like, are you using CAPGPT? Like, why are you? What is this? It's like, how do I respond to an angry stew? Jason has this trouble. Yeah.

28:17Ronnie Karam: Boundaries. I've heard the term before. Let's say boundaries a lot until she leaves. We'll just keep saying boundaries. Jason, whenever a woman comes up there crying, just gets this same He just doesn't know how to take it. It's so funny to me. And he's like, and she's like, thank you, Captain. I appreciate you. And he's like, no problem, truffle tonsils. Oh, damn it. Sorry. It really is addictive. It really is addictive.

28:39Ben Mandelker: You know what? I'm shocked. I thought everything was fantastic down there. And they're working well together, last charter. And I don't want to dismiss their feelings in a situation. However, I would like to watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. However, there's a time for everything, including watching Salt Lake City. and that time should be now. Instead, I'm not doing it. So the time for this complaint is not 10 minutes before dinner. So I'm probably going to have to keep my head in the galley a little bit, monitor this, and make sure the food goes out and tempers don't go up. And I'll do that by sitting in my room and watching TV instead.

29:13Ben Mandelker: By the way, and speaking of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, just a little bit of an aside, did you happen to see the video of Brittany Bateman trying on outfits that she posted just yesterday? Did you see that? I didn't.

29:24Ronnie Karam: What was that like? Was she crying? And do I need to set some boundaries?

29:28Ben Mandelker: She was not setting any boundaries. Actually, the issue is that her boundaries were a little bit too wavy because basically she was like, it was just a little silly video with like Sabrina Carpenter playing and she's like trying on different outfits. She's like, look at me in this outfit and now this outfit and then this outfit. But what people noticed is that the walls behind her were starting to like wave a bit. So basically she had used AI to like either, I don't know, maybe look look better or something i don't know but she was using ai to to have this fashion video and everyone clocked it up right away because like uh your door is squiggling it's like it's so

30:03Ronnie Karam: britney bateman like the ones kim zolciak used to make where she'd be all skinny but then the

30:10Ben Mandelker: walls bending in towards her it's like what an interesting shaped doorway that s-shaped door is

30:17Ronnie Karam: so fascinating it's a doorway for the letter s to come into your life and as we all know the letter s ends the word boundaries let's create them let's create them so ellie comes back to the galley and she's still pissed and ben's just like oh god you know he's just kind of going about his business so daisy comes in she's like can i take out the charcuterie now and she goes into the walking but she hears everything that happens and ben's like you know i don't really want to work around this energy tonight, alright? You know, it's gonna affect me, alright? It's just gonna affect me. I can't take it, cookie...

30:56Ronnie Karam: cookie capillaries. Hey, we'll go around your energy every single day, Ben.

31:01Ben Mandelker: He's like, okay, that's great, but this is very different to how I act. Snickers.

31:10Ben Mandelker: Snickers.

31:13Ronnie Karam: Get over it, Ben, okay? Snickers. Get over it, you run out of sexism!

31:18Ben Mandelker: Sinuses, sinuses! I'm putting it in Snickers' sinuses!

31:22Ronnie Karam: Get over it, Ben! So Daisy's just, like, making that face. Like, she's loving this, but, you know, also, like, trying to hide behind a charcuterie board. And she's like, never in my life have I seen somebody go with their boss in the galley like this! Never!

31:39Ben Mandelker: So Ben's like, you see, I can't deal with what you're doing to me right now, caramel cupcakes you know oh don't search it with me Ben and don't call me a caramel cupcake after you just call me a snicker sinus it's not right cupcake isn't even a body part

31:55Ronnie Karam: you think I'm direct this girl throws me out of the water with her directness if you can't deal with it then don't fucking start it how about that run

32:06Ben Mandelker: so the guests are just they're receiving a short cutie report from Ellie I'm from Daisy and Ellie is just like washing dishes and she's just mumbling. Look at you fucking baking all the time. Is he ever sold vegetables for milk? I don't think so. Maybe if he did, it's probably skim milk, not even the good milk.

32:25Ronnie Karam: I wouldn't even give cucumber for this. So now we go to the guest at the bar and Daisy's serving the charcuterie and Daisy, she sees Jason. She's like, I stand stand there. And he's like, yeah, well, guess what she needs? Banderies. She's got to set them. Memories have got to be set Well I'm staying out of that That was way too intense for me I really don't like confrontation like that And I fucked Gary

32:51Ben Mandelker: So Jenna's like What's your wish? It's my command Where's the tahin? See this is what I want for my team to be like Where's the tahin? Now that's a good boundary A tahin boundary I like that for you

33:04Ronnie Karam: So back in the galley Pistachios are ready Next task Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on there, my little candy cane cochlea, all right? Oh, damn it, did I just say that? I didn't mean, all right, just hold on, just hold, Elena, is that just your name, right? Elena. All right, sorry, let's stick with my first name. Yes, Elena.

33:26Ben Mandelker: All right there, Snickle Doodle Supreme.

33:28Ronnie Karam: What is all that has to say in my name?

33:31Ben Mandelker: so i guess have there uh everyone's changed into red and uh days like alicia go get started on the rooms so they're sitting up for dinner and uh daisy tells mike to help alicia with turn downs and everything and we start the food starts coming out there's crispy pork belly there's brussels sprouts there's an onion salad there's a parmesan crisp it's all delightful stuff can i

33:54Ronnie Karam: just say i am so sick of brussels sprouts they have had their day let them go okay everybody is still serving brussels sprouts it's like it's this trendy new thing you remember when brussels sprouts became like trendy and everyone's like oh my god we hated them when we were young but gosh throw a little balsamic in i'm gonna put them in the oven for a while they are just delicious they are not they are not i'm sick of everybody pretending they're good they're not delicious they're sour and they taste like pea and they smell like pea and i don't want them i'm sick

34:20Ben Mandelker: of seeing them find a new vegetable if they're roasted properly they are absolutely delicious I think if they're roasted and crispy and crunchy and like, but sort of soft on the inside, I think they're delicious. If they're undercooked or they're boiled, they're not great. But I will say, what I will say though, okay, but what I will say is that the novelty of Brussels sprouts has sort of passed. I think like if I see them on a menu, I'm not necessarily like, we got to get the Brussels sprouts. However, if we do get them, I'm always happy. but I mean right now cabbage has really is having its moment and that's basically like the bigger version of a brussel sprout it's just like a giant brussel sprout but cabbage is where it's at right now cabbage is exciting

35:04Ronnie Karam: I'll go with cabbage like the new trendy thing but brussel sprouts I just feel like it's over you know it's like shiplap in your house it was cute it's time to end it do I blame Joanna of games for Brussels. I could though. Also, I'm sick of beet and goat cheese salads. They're everywhere and they need to stop. We need to find new foods.

35:32Ben Mandelker: Okay. There's a lot to take in here. There's a lot to unpack here. He doesn't like beets, but maybe he could do a spin on this for some good BPM moments. Okay. Wow. Here's what I have to say. Beaten goat cheese salad, Brussels sprouts. If you see it on a menu, it is dated. It's dated. However,

36:03Ben Mandelker: beaten goat cheese salad is still kind of as delicious.

36:06Ronnie Karam: I mean, it can be. I just need new things. And I think especially as a pescatarian, there's not a lot for me to eat, which is my own fault. That's my choice. But I think that people, people, it's my choice, I should say, but people just are like, okay, well, just we need something vegetarian. So make Brussels sprouts and beaten goat cheese salad. And it's everywhere. And it's like, oh.

36:28Ben Mandelker: It's the novelty is gone. The novelty is gone. And like, it's just, I think it's, I think both those dishes are honestly quite delicious. I'm always happy to have them. But maybe at like a potluck. I think if I'm going to a restaurant and I see it I'm not as excited that being said there's a restaurant here in LA called Petit Trois and they have a beaten goat cheese salad that I ordered and I was like well this is so 90s of me but I'm going to order it anyway and I was like floored by how delicious it was I was like I told the chef I was like this is the best beaten goat cheese salad I've ever had I feel like so like it really can be transcendent but it's just it's not exciting anymore and I think on a yacht I'm bored yeah We could be doing better.

37:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. There's more to life. You know what I mean? So Alicia is sent to do turndowns and then, yeah, you know, whatever dinner is served. So Alicia is bossing Mike around, which he loves. It's like, let's be extra vigilant on toilet paper and also like the side cabinets. Because that was feedback. It's like, from who? Who's that feedback from? From a previous charter. Interesting. Very interesting, Alicia. you'll be a stewardess in no time look at me teaching teaching teaching he's like oh

37:46Ben Mandelker: could you say that to me um then uh jason is now doing this thing where he's like sort of standing in the doorway of the galley like looking in like they can't see me and as long as they can't see me i can't see them i'm like well you both are actually they can see you you're not hidden they see you right there jason

38:06Ronnie Karam: Jason's way he's like I'm gonna go down to the galley and I'm gonna deal with this right now and then he just kind of stands behind the doorway and looks and it's like oh god there any M &Ms down here there any um I'd like to I'd like to

38:19Ben Mandelker: calm things down I'd like to offer you both something delicious to eat this is a Chinese bao it does have some dairy in it it's a dairy bao or it's like to call it a boundary boundary it's a boundary you got boundaries

38:30Ronnie Karam: He's got to sit him. So, Jenna and Daisy are going over tomorrow's gay wedding that they're going to be throwing. And we hear the guests. One of them's like, oh my God, we're going to be wearing beige at our wedding because we're not virgins. And everyone's like, oh my God, that's hilarious. Gay people. Oh my God, gay people. Am I right? So then - Just because you're not virgins

38:51Ben Mandelker: doesn't mean you have to like, then like your next option is beige. Might as well just go like a full, go red or something like that. Like you're released from the white. Do something bigger. like, you know what? To show how sexy our love life is, we're going to wear beige.

39:07Ronnie Karam: Well, I do have a lot of sex, so I'm not going to wear white, but I have sex with some old man I picked up at the Tommy Bahama store. So it's going to be beige. It's going to be beige.

39:17Ben Mandelker: Don't tell Alex McCord. She may show up in a matching color. That's a throwback. Do you guys remember? You, Ronnie? Remember when Alex McCord wore beige to like a wedding in Quag or something in Jules Arons? I was like, how could she wear the beige to the wedding? You can't wear cream colors at the wedding. It's absolutely inappropriate. This is exactly what she would do.

39:37Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry, Jolzerin. You've been canceled from this recap. Sorry.

39:41Ben Mandelker: Jolzerin, you've been canceled from that flashback that Ben just had. I didn't even say something. Why is it where we're only seeing beige outfits? What happened to all the white outfits? What happened to all the white outfits?

39:54Ronnie Karam: Am I supposed to understand all the beige?

39:57Ben Mandelker: Commercials.

39:58Ronnie Karam: Here comes one right now.

40:37Ronnie Karam: So now we cut to the guests. And yeah, they're still talking about beige because they're them. So then Daisy finds Mike and Alicia and orders some red wine and champagne for his turndown. And she's like, you got to get this. It's very important for a romantic turndown. Okay. Red wine and champagne. and so jason is continuing to kind of stand in the doorway blinking blankly and um they're still serving food this is grouper with pistachio and roasted tomato now there thank you there there's something that's not brussels sprouts

41:12Ben Mandelker: did you mean to serve a refreshing dish at last wow you just lost padma's culinary cup with your brussels sprouts but you want it back with a

41:23Ronnie Karam: grouper congratulations stupid all right i've got a thought all right joao joao joao uh i might need a hand in here please because we need to like rotate these dishes please oh no that is my job that is my job rotating dishes how dare you this is my job rotating dishes you will not give someone

41:41Ben Mandelker: else my rotating dishes job when i was young i used to rotate stones in the town square so i could buy myself heavy cream is a special time for me when i was a child i would rotate wishes one wish was

41:55Ronnie Karam: not to have to sell milk the other wish was not to have to sell fruit the other wish ah it was a cycle it was a cycle i'm not going to lie i once had to spend three full days rotating pebbles in town square just so i could afford pineapple yeah all right fine great you do it why don't accept it okay you're not going to do this shit to me i don't accept that ever again i am this rotator

42:24Ben Mandelker: i have to say it is it is inappropriate to sass off to your boss that way but i kind of loved it i love that she was like oh no no no you're not gonna now start like pushing me out of my job you're not gonna start minimizing me you're not gonna do this to me i am like uh these are my responsibilities is this a mundane task of rotating dishes absolutely but it is my task and you're not going to push me out of this so i kind of like loved that she just like two feet down stood up for herself even though professionally probably not appropriate i was cracking up because she

42:58Ronnie Karam: just takes it so far but you know what people like ben like he just laughs it off you know through most of it and it's really getting to him and it's funny it's like you treat people how you want to be treated or teach people how you want to be treated i guess and she's definitely doing that

43:13Ben Mandelker: so yeah and we've seen by the way we've seen some of the strongest women on this franchise go at ben we've seen kate we've seen hannah we've seen and whoever else i think ellie is the first person who has basically been able to just like like i'm not gonna say shut up ben or silence but like really kind of halt him i don't think he's ever been halted even by kate ever before

43:41Ronnie Karam: daisy's pretty good at dealing too i have to say yeah daisy's like oh don't you get me that bun

43:47Ben Mandelker: all right god i love daisy so hard um so that's pretty good you know you're i think you're right

43:57Ronnie Karam: though i think that uh she ellie is going too far in a way but it's also so fucking funny to watch because he really does not know how to deal with it and uh he's like all right well she goes okay do not fuck with me i will do my job so what do you need please and he's like uh i'd like to scrape all of that red stuff into a clean bowl thanks rotate the place okay i've got it chef

44:21Ben Mandelker: and also label the laundry that was retroactive for brie last season as long as i'm in a role so um daisy's like oh my gosh the doll the gallia's so tense jenna's like oh wow who lives then If I was Alicia not feeling comfortable in the galley Plus this other girl not feeling comfortable Who lives on? I'm trying to work I've got dinner service to do Quiet Jenna

44:44Ronnie Karam: And now we go back to Mike and Alicia And she's still bossing him around She's like remember to do the day head I've done the day head Did you definitely take a hand towel Because I know that needs a new one He's like Alicia's younger than me She's a lot less mature than everybody on this boat And she's already failed in the galley So it gets under my skin when Alicia tries to delegate to us. I just can't take it anymore.

45:08Ben Mandelker: It's under my implants. So Alicia's like, I'm quite good at delegating because I know exactly what needs to be done. For instance, when cleaning a room, you always leave a pan on top of the closet and a little bonbon at the bottom of the bed inside the covers where the feet are.

45:26Ronnie Karam: Well, I already work for Daisy and Joao. I don't need extra management. Mike needs management and I'm management. Are you able to make that box up to the primary? And he's like, oh, goddammit. So he just goes off and we see a flashback of five seconds ago where Daisy's like, can't you take some wine and champagne and flowers and some chocolates after the team's down or whatever. And Alicia's like, do you have the checklist? Go get the checklist. And he's like, oh, do you have to put me around them?

45:55Ben Mandelker: but I feel like Alicia and Mike remind me of two kids at recess like role playing like they're in an office right like yeah you just see them like walking around like the playground and one's like I need my reports right now it's like I can't give you the reports it's like but you need the reports I'm your manager and you're like oh that's cute the kids are pretending like they're like having real jobs but of course their children have no idea what they're talking about and I feel like that's what that's what's happening with these two when she's like our management make sure you know what you're doing.

46:24Ben Mandelker: Don't forget to wipe down the doorknob and you have to use vegetable oil to do it to make it nice and shiny. I don't want to be delegated about that.

46:34Ronnie Karam: And they're both constantly trying to tell us that they know more than everybody, but neither one of them knows anything. It's so fucking funny. So now the tables are being cleared and chocolate fondant comes out and everybody's like, oh my god, Ben is the best. He's the best. Yes! Ben is like beige Ben is beige at a wedding So then we go to the bar And Mike is asking Jenna for a tray And she's like Don't take it like this Just on a tray You gotta put Something on it Like a napkin Or something It's not gonna look right

47:08Ben Mandelker: No I'll put a cloth on it Darling darling darling We got it Okay Alright Alright Ellie I'll be back in a little bit Boopsie snoot Don't call me boopsie snoot Sorry about that I meant Baby gravy What? Baby gravy I'll stand two feet in it Baby gravy Why are you saying those things to me?

47:34Ronnie Karam: So he goes out and Alicia comes in And she's like Are you alright Al? Oh I had to blow up with Ben He goes Oh my god Honey Don't be so sensitive And when he said that I went off I said Don't you fuck with me ever again I'm dis-rotator

47:51Ben Mandelker: I got it that's why I couldn't do it also I had no idea what to do in the kitchen I put a knife in the cheesecake they didn't like that

47:58Ronnie Karam: well I put them in place for both of us and so Alicia's like dancing and spanking herself like yes girl so meanwhile Mike is getting things ready still but then he goes down to the pantry and he's like I'm thirsty all the time and then we just see him chugging kind of leaning around meanwhile the guests are clearing and heading to the bed will everything make it to the room on time so clay who is basically like nathan lane's character

48:26Ben Mandelker: in the birdcage is like oh god um hey um we say there's no wine or champagne in our room could someone help us jenna i'm so sorry is there uh some wine and champagne that you can get in here i don't know why i gave him a southern accent but that was the vibe i suddenly felt for him and he's not southern at all but uh jenna's like what the fuck she's like mark mark mark they They don't have the champagne or the wine. Can you bring the champagne in the ice bucket? And Jenna's like, you know, that took a long time to get ice bucket. Must be done, Mike, before he gets to his room. Like, ask for help if you need help.

49:00Ben Mandelker: He's like, yeah, of course. She's like, that's so thirsty. And she's like, no, Mike, come on, bring it in there. So, of course, he brings the stuff. He brings the flowers and everything. But, like, why did it take him so long? They asked for that so long ago. How did he not bring red wine on a bucket of ice with champagne in it down to the room right away?

49:16Ronnie Karam: Because he's leaning and spraying his hair and drinking and just taking forever. So Daisy sees Jenna and she's like, what's the primary pest off about the champagne? She's like, no, I have a self-confused thing as it took him time to manage to find an off-bucket.

49:31Ben Mandelker: For fuck's sake. Okay, well, Elliot, if I can explain why I wasn't myself today, Cinnamon Swirls Aspergerilla, it's because, you know, it was the first time I didn't really have you helping me with food prep and that was fine because you were doing other stuff like yelling at me a lot. That's why I was like in my head. It reminded me of when I was throwing a wedding that I paid for and never attended myself. I'm more sensitive now. So how do you feel your reaction to it all was?

50:05Ronnie Karam: Well, my reaction was justified because you are belittling me and I stood up for myself, which I will continue doing. Okay, well glad we settled that one Can you just go to bed please, Toffee Tendon Please

50:21Ben Mandelker: Coffee Tendon Don't tell me to get out of here Well, when does your job finish Duke Fluffernucker Nutter

50:31Ronnie Karam: When I clean up It is finished, unlike you I don't leave the galley until it's fucking clean She's not gonna She's not even gonna let him make up with her She's like, nope, I'm done.

50:42Ben Mandelker: He really thought like, okay, dinner service is done. Tensions can come back down again. Everything will be fine. She's like, no, I am completely justified. You shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch. So then he's like, okay, I guess I'll just go to my room now. It's like, are you angry right now? Are you angry, Giggle Biscuit? Like, don't fucking try me, Ben. Don't fucking try me. He's like, are you threatening me now? I'm not threatening you. I'm just saying don't try me. I am like poisonous appetizer. Don't try me.

51:15Ronnie Karam: Oh, you are intimidating, and you're swearing at me as well, are you? You're swearing at me as well. Oh, shut the fuck up, Ben.

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