#3319 RHOBH S15E18 Part 1: Book Ends

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1:33Ben Mandelker: Kerr and joining me today is the one, the only, the lovely Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

1:39Ronnie Karam: Well, hello, Bennoons.

1:41Ben Mandelker: How you doing, buddy? I am fabulous. We are approaching the weekend. We're talking about the Beverly Hills season finale today. On Monday, we've got two things coming up. We've got Amazon Live at 1.30 on the West Coast or 3.30. I'm sorry, 4.30 on the East coast. Um, and then also in the evening we have crappy hour, which will be five 30 on the West coast and eight 30 on the East coast. So join us for both of those things, because we will have a lot of things to say about a lot of different things. Uh, and also join us on Patreon free newsletter, add free listening, get video with crap is on demand, get bonus episode this week.

2:20Ben Mandelker: We checked in, checked in with top chef next week. We are going to be recapping, um, survivor, The survivor that just aired two days ago, which was really good. So that's all the fun stuff. By the way, shout out to our friend Hunter Harris, who landed a big mega cover story on Glamour magazine with none other than Sierra. The lady of the moment, Sierra, breaks her silence with Hunter Harris. So we love Hunter. Hunter has Hunter filled in for you, Ronnie, actually, one of the days when you were out last summer. So congrats to Hunter. That's an amazing thing. I think Hunter probably has many cover articles, but it's cool.

3:02Ben Mandelker: It's a big one. It's a big one. This is a big one. So congrats, Hunter. Yeah, good for her.

3:08Ronnie Karam: Right on. Okay, so here we...

3:13Ben Mandelker: Okay. I'm just going to cough out something. Here we go. We're just going to crank us up. This is where we're at. This is where we're at.

3:21Ronnie Karam: Start on a very positive note. Here we are with the ending of season 15 of Real Housewives of Boovilly Hools. Yeah. This is season 15, episode 8, closing chapters. Oh, God. Let's hope they close some of these chapters. Some of these chapters need to be closed. Sutton, Kyle. I won't say Erica, but Erica still at least makes me laugh. I think Erica's - And close those chapters. Close the library, I say.

3:53Ben Mandelker: You know, they say bookstores are really suffering in 2026. And yeah, I can see why we're going to close some of them.

4:00Ronnie Karam: Well, they're printing shit from Dorit. So, you know, Barnes and Noble, next time you're asking yourself what the problem is, look at your book covers. Okay. Yeah. Look at all this nonsense you publish.

4:13Ben Mandelker: So that being said, I do think that this show has ended on a high note. I think the past several episodes have been really entertaining and fun. this low burn has now, you know, reached a mid flame, which is pretty good for this show. And I definitely was like cracking up. Like I've been thoroughly enjoying the show the past few weeks.

4:33Ronnie Karam: I've been laughing. Yeah, it was very funny. Yeah, I was watching this with my friend last night and I was like, this show is so boring, but we're laughing. I mean, we laughed the whole time. So I guess it's not boring. So there you go. It's been a boring, I mean, the fights that they keep having, it's like Kyle trying to start a fight. It's just like she does the same thing every time, But then watching Dorit tell everyone to fuck off with like 10 inch roots coming out of her head because she can't afford to get her hair done. I mean, it's like it's art. You know what I mean?

5:00Ben Mandelker: I'm loving belligerent Dorit, but I'm also loving cold Erica. I'm like, I think it's hilarious. I think they're great. Kyle is just doing stupid Kyle things in the middle. but watching Dorit and Erica fight with each other is a real thrill because Dorit is fiery in a way that, that I really appreciate. And Erica is the exact opposite, like super cold in a way that I'm like, wow, she is really handling to read so hilariously right now. And we all win. I think it doesn't matter whose side you're on.

5:35Ronnie Karam: We all win. Everybody. We all win. So when is he except for a second, who's just like crying so hard to get anybody to like her have a fight with her nobody will like her or have a fight with her i mean it ends a spoiler alert fast forward to the end this episode ends with everybody basically walking away from the season finale and then Sutton trying to start a fight it's like the restaurant's cleared she's like i want to speak to the manager they're like do you just wait a minute ma 'am and then it takes like till the end of the night for the manager to come out and you're just stuck in an empty restaurant you're like well i have something to say.

6:10Ronnie Karam: They're like, we don't care. Can we just go home? The shift is over. And she's like, my man. You got this Karen just standing there complaining to the manager and the manager does not care. And she's doing it to impress Kyle, but Kyle's not even watching. It's just all so sad. And it's such a fun way to go out for a sudden because she's really pissed me off this year. So, you know, it was fun that that could be her last scene. Just her standing there alone trying to start a fight and nobody willing to fight with her. Bye. Yeah. Well, that's your rolly TV.

6:40Ben Mandelker: she well yeah yeah seriously uh she is the early tv i feel like we did not spend enough time really focusing on that all season long um but uh i think it's funny because she has her grievances with dorit but she did not want to bring them up because she clearly did not want to interrupt kyle and erica because a she was like well kyle and erica are really hammering to read so this is really good. But also I think she knows if she, if she tries to jump in with her own issue, then Kyle and Erica are going to get mad at her. And the problem with Sutton is that she really is just trying to be their best friend.

7:18Ben Mandelker: She's trying to be in the in group. She never will be part of it. And what she doesn't realize is that Sutton has been strongest when she didn't try to be part of them. When she just tried to be her own thing and tried to actually almost be an alternate, that's when the audience loved her the most but her like sort of kissing their ass and just trying to crawl in and take over Dorit's spot we don't like to see that and it's not the best version of her and it's I think it is the thing that could get her off the show you are forgetting her magic

7:49Ronnie Karam: her magic ingredient Garcelle as well she had Garcelle that she teamed up with she had Avi that was there making her kind of humorous crystal and she had you know her best friend Belvedere you know that was always helpful um and jennifer just you can't give up all of your friends at one time okay i i think that like yeah sutton is strongest when she's sort of on an island like i am mega wealthy i'm wealthy i'm also from like arguably a higher class level like she's on the

8:23Ben Mandelker: board of abt she owns some sort of baseball team she's she's from like augusta she has like wasp cred in a way that none of the rest of them have. And she comes in here and she should be like, ah, I am the alpha, but she just doesn't have that inside her. And so she's just kissing Kyle's ass. And it's just so sad because if she just was like, what the fuck are these girls doing? Sort of like her mom. She would, I think she'd be just the fan favorite and everyone would gravitate towards her, but she's just, I was going to say recast her with Reba.

8:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I know Reba's a little older than, everybody else but she can handle it reba and reba's also shown true housewives grit where she comes on she makes everybody upset to the point where they're like cancel reba we don't ever want to see reba again she must be racist she must be this we fucking hate reba burn her alive burn her at the stake tar and feather reba and then a few episodes later literally people were like oh she's not so bad and then this year people are like lol that therapy scene was great with reba So I don't know. I think she's already shown a good trajectory of being able to get knocked down and get right back up again and still come back with piss and vinegar and new hair, new crazy hair.

9:40Ben Mandelker: And Chumbawamba incarnate. Yes. Cast Reba. Yeah. I mean, I always think it's really funny in Real Housewives world. Maybe it's like a reality TV thing that sometimes you have to hate someone so hard in order to just like love them with all of your heart. Right. Like how much did we hate Camille Grammer first season of the show? Like hated. She was on magazine covers as like the number one most hated housewife. Like everyone detested her. And then her next season, we're like, we love Camille. Because sometimes we realize that like in the act of us hating this person, we have actually grown quite fond of them.

10:19Ben Mandelker: Like we're fond of the hate. We actually love how evil they are. We love the meanness. Sometimes we love their sneaky ways. and we see the camp and like we just sort of need a season or like a summer off like an in-between session to be like wait a second like I actually love that I mean look at Leanne Locken Leanne Locken her first season of Dallas was just insufferable but then when she came back her second season we were all like she's an icon and she was like amazing and she carried the show for several years until she spun out of control but um like sometimes we just knew that and Reba is the latest beneficiary of our weird relationship with some of these vicious women yeah she'll be

11:03Ronnie Karam: canceled tomorrow so that's how that's how it goes that's how it goes with us so dorit's uh book cover reveal day so the episode left off with horror music as we realized that erica was not going to the cover potty. She was going to Sutton's home instead. I mean, man, Erica really is pissed off if she's going to go hang out with Sutton. Erica hates Sutton, and I don't care what they're trying to tell me this season, that she no longer hates Sutton. Of course she still hates Sutton. She can't even hide it. Like, Sutton's making small talk with her, and Erica's just showing her her teeth, trying to smile.

11:38Ronnie Karam: She can't smile. She's just like, oh, oh, yeah. She clearly still hates Sutton.

11:44Ben Mandelker: And I love this for her, because this looked really boring. Yeah, Erica, is going out of her way to show that she's not a minion for Kyle by not hanging out with Kyle and she is hanging out with Sutton and she is not happy about this but like she has to hang out with someone otherwise she'll get in trouble with production probably.

12:04Ronnie Karam: Sutton announces what she should have said in episode one. Alright. I'm drinking. I mean girl it's episode 18. Too late. You're fired. Yeah.

12:14Ben Mandelker: Well I'm at Sutton Brown's house instead of Dorit's book party. I mean yeah are the aliens here like i don't know did christ come back like this is some real epic shit and son's like rachel's party was just it was a lot you know the way that dorit spoke to me and treated me which was she was largely kind and then turned her attention towards someone else that was just the rudest thing i could ever even imagine and she was telling me about i don't know it's just been like it's been a hard week for her and i'm like i just got home two days ago because I took my son, whatever his name is, across the country to some place.

12:51Ben Mandelker: I don't even know where it was, but it was a college, I suppose, and dropped him off. Do you know how hard that was for me?

12:57Ronnie Karam: I love, you know, Erica, Dorit was so mean to me when I came up to her to be mad at her about nothing to try and get a last minute fight in. And she apologized to me. How dare she? And then she turned away to not have a fight with me. How could she? How could she? And then I had to take my son. And then Erica goes, and drop them off. The way that Erica's just so bored, she's like, and you dropped them off. We've heard the story. It still sucks. I can't believe she apologized to me that way. I can't believe it. She ever apologizes to me again in that tone.

13:37Ben Mandelker: So she was talking with someone on the dance floor, and I said, please, excuse me. I hate to interrupt you. And she's blighted about it. I'm like, she was having a good conversation with someone that she was friends with. And you're not friends with her, Sutton.

13:49Ronnie Karam: And she wasn't even mad at you. She just said, I'll be furious with her forever for this as a joke. As she walked away to try and make it less rude that you just took her out of a conversation, Sutton. So Erica's like, oh, God. She treats me pretty poorly. Okay? Probably because she is pretty poorly. And it goes to show. what she thinks about our relationship, which is nothing. You don't have a relationship with her. You tried to pretend to have a relationship with her, and then you tried to get Amanda to come after her and literally instructed her on how to do it to start a fight with Dorit, and then you tried to get the cast against Dorit by saying, well, I don't like Dorit.

14:29Ronnie Karam: Googling people and putting people in the chat. I don't like it. Don't put people in the chat, Gupta. It's disrespectful. It reminds me of my store. It reminds me of my store.

14:41Ben Mandelker: well I FaceTimed with Kyle before I came over because she's not going and we see a flashback of Kyle saying yeah I don't like really feel like killing myself with exhaustion and being like overwhelmed to like not go over and like not feel good it's just like a lot that's like going on with me

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16:50Ben Mandelker: had like was like hey i need someone to take this uh garbage bag out to the back kyle would be there in one second like hey just hanging out just here do you need me to come over and move that trash back for you. Maybe Kyle was exhausted from suing her sister to get out of her house. Yikes. Something we have not even addressed, but that's something that sort of occurs over the weekend. Yeah.

17:16Ronnie Karam: Whoops. Good to see that trio. I won't come for Kyle for that one. Because, you know, yikes.

17:22Ben Mandelker: I'm just saying it's good to see that trio is back up to it. Backed up to its old ways. only two can be in good standing at any moment. Now, of course, there's bigger things going on, but I'm like, wow. It's never peaceful.

17:39Ronnie Karam: So Erica's like, well, you know, there's no way you would go because you're not even speaking. Why the fuck would you go? And so back to President Sutton's like, well, I wonder what we're missing. I'm just like dying. I want to be a fly on the wall to see. Well, then go. You fucking loser. You're such a weirdo. You're sitting at home drinking yourself silly because you're being too petty to go. And now you're curious what it is. Who wouldn't go? I would go. I mean, how could you not go see what Dorit's book cover is? That shit's hilarious.

18:08Ben Mandelker: No, she doesn't want to see the book cover. She wants to see what people's reactions are to the fact that none of them are going to be there. So she's literally not going there purely to get a reaction out of them, not because she doesn't feel uncomfortable or not because she feels uncomfortable. So then we go back to the party and Bose is talking to Rich. She's like, well, you look fucking fantastic. And look at this outfit. Girl, it's the power in the sex appeal for me. And then all of a sudden there's our crash. And Jennifer Tilly's$40 ,000 Gucci bear, which I guess is not like, I guess it's sort of, it's a porcelain or something.

18:48Ben Mandelker: Whatever it is, it's broken on the floor.

18:52Ronnie Karam: that's a$40 ,000 bear no it hurts mommy it hurts oh and they just keep cutting to everybody being horrified Dorit's like oh she's eating a nail everybody's dying that she just broke this purse nobody knows what to do and then Jennifer just bends over and picks up a Tums off the floor she's like oh it's my Tums you're eating that off the floor and she's like yeah well my restaurant my friend owns this restaurant i know it's clean so and then she just goes back to her life

19:24Ben Mandelker: god bless this woman to it just right back i guess it's it's not that it's of course i'm looking it up but it's just it's some sort of firm material and now it's broken and i i i just love how she's completely unbothered she's like oh well things are broken okay but when she said Mommy, it hurts. It hurts.

19:46Ronnie Karam: It hurts, mommy. Well, you know what's not broken? Bart Simpson. Bart Simpson is still putting out material. She's fine. She makes$40 ,000 a second. She literally does not care. And that's what's so great about it. She's like, oh, no. It's a thumbs. That's it. That's it. I just earned another season. Thank you. so um Bo's is talking about how people aren't coming she's like I can't believe people aren't coming Andrea's like well Coyle didn't come Coyle didn't come Coyle because she's tired and overwhelmed she's planning a tortoise weeding couldn't even come for 30 minutes I mean that's probably how long her daughter's going to be married jeez

20:32Ben Mandelker: although to be fair going from Encino to Beverly Hills for 30 minutes That's a big ask. That's a big ask. Although Kyle could probably build out a little dinner too. But either way. And Dorika's like, hello. And then Poz is like, I mean, you can come and say hello and give me a hug and at least wait to see the cover for crying out loud. I mean, Kyle is making it really, really difficult to continue to defend that I believe that her intentions are good.

20:57Ronnie Karam: And let me just finish this by saying, maybe this time I'll be lucky. Maybe this time he'll stay She looks like such a cabaret star in this outfit that she's wearing

21:11Ben Mandelker: She does, I love it I love her little short hair

21:15Ronnie Karam: It's just funny because it really does match her voice that little outfit and her little short haircut that she's got with it She's not wearing a bow tie, but she could be You know, that little collar She's like, hey, there's no business like show, you know what she could have done? She could have shut up for 30 minutes Like she's like a tough talking girl from the 20s. She's the new Jennifer Aiden. What's going on, mister? Pizza bagel. Her outfit totally fits the voice and I love it. Yeah, you can at least come over, say hello. Give me a hug. Wait to see the cover.

21:52Ben Mandelker: It just feels like you could have put in a little bit of effort. You know, if she's truly concerned about Dorit's financial situation, then she would be here tonight to celebrate Dorit's financial win. But she's not. okay, yes, that's true, but let's also stop acting like this cover is like, you know, Dorit getting the keys to the city. You know, like she's not, like this is not the difference between her being, you know, Scrooge McDuck diving around and swimming in piles of gold. It is a good promotional moment, but it's being covered by the TV show. It's getting actually more attention than it would normally get.

22:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but it's like your friends, it's the representation of like me, I got a book, this is my thing, it's my storyline coming to an end, I'm divorcing this pig and writing a book and I'm going to support myself and I'm a woman. Give me raw. I mean, they should have been there to celebrate that. They celebrate Erica's bullshit, shit paid for in gay bars with her writhing all over the floor, lip syncing to off key shit music. You know, they can show up for this. Or Kyle's, all of the captains and shit that Kyle does, you know?

22:55Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think they should show up just to be good people. But I don't, I'm like, when they're like, Like, this is her, this cover, the launch of this cover. This is like, this is, she's like opening up the stock exchange. You know, it's like, they should just be there because Dorit, this is the first time Dorit has done anything without PK and it's of significance. And like you said, they showed up to watch Kyle's stupid loungewear and Kyle by Alien 2 and half a million different things for the agency.

23:19Ronnie Karam: And flew to New York to see Erica. I mean, Erica, they've really, especially Dorit has really, Dorit stood up for Erica against Kyle and Aspen. And that's what set Kyle off in the first place against Dorit. And now Erica's like, oh, fuck her. I don't know his shit. Because she was late. Yeah.

23:39Ben Mandelker: So Boaz is like, well, we're not going to say it's a thing. We're going to wait because she might be here. You never know. Erica might show up. She's like, well, no, it's 730, honey. So we go back to Sutton's place. And Erica's like, I wish I felt like I should be there. But I don't. It's like, well, I called her and she didn't pick up. So I texted her that I wasn't coming. Isn't that a riveting story? Even that was returned.

24:01Ronnie Karam: Even that was returned. I wrote her a text and I got something back that said, I'm sorry, I'm not accepting texts right now. Please leave me a message. Beep.

24:11Ronnie Karam: Declined a text. Can you decline a text? I haven't even called her. I haven't done any of that. I haven't sent her a text. I don't give a fuck. She's like, you haven't? No, no. I mean, I'm thinking about me. You know, I was thinking about the time she supported me on Broadway and then coming to my show in Vegas and all this shit. And then I said, Erica, you should be there. And then I said, wait a second. I'm not a good person. Since when do I give a fuck? I got an electric rod and I stabbed myself in the head with it. Lamont buys myself again and now I feel nothing.

24:47Ben Mandelker: Well, to be fair, you know, Erica did go to the Beverly Beach fashion show. So there is something there. I think I actually did in a weird way appreciate Erica verbalizing this because like it's nothing that we would have said it's like what you actually just said about two seconds ago like she went and supported this and that and whatever and so she's like I know I know she's like I'm I'm real she's basically saying I realized that by me doing this this could end the friendship because I'm not being fair right now but I also like she called me a cut fitness now did I just brag about how I brought that word into the groove yes

25:25Ronnie Karam: exactly

25:26Ben Mandelker: that's what I said too she's like and then

25:29Ronnie Karam: she calls me a cut fitness

25:31Ben Mandelker: okay is everything I'm mad at that she's called me things that I've said to other people and been like to other people yes

25:39Ronnie Karam: but she's such a hypocrite and you know I know that they've all been to each other's things and that's like a weird thing to be like well she went to her thing because you know that's what they do on this show they go to each other's things but it's more it's a bigger deal that people came to Erica's things because erica's things are hours long making you sit there and listen to erica try to sing i mean that is fucking painful sitting through chicago starring erica jane i mean that is you that's ptsd inducing sitting through erica's vegas show we watched that show she did we recapped that show she did about her vegas show it's shit it was utter shit so that somebody put their eardrums through that that's a huge deal that you couldn't come to some little thing for 30 minutes yeah i i

26:24Ben Mandelker: I do agree that this was a pretty low left thing to go from, to go to. I, but you know, honestly, I did think that like to read when to read said that like basically Erica and Kyle, but like Erica is mainly cause that's, that's who we're talking about here. Did not support her has like not supported her at all. And that it's really just only Bose has been supporting her. That was like really insulting. I think I think it was really really insulting to say to like your best friend and I actually really understand why Erica is like fuck this girl I've had to sit here and listen and nod along and yes she's had to listen to me singing for many hours but I've had to listen to her monologuing for hours and hours now way more hours and I'm supportive and I listen and I listen and I listen and I listen and I listen and then she's gonna say I'm not supporting her so like I actually understand why Erica is really pissed um I do have to disagree with you I have to disagree a

27:24Ronnie Karam: hundred percent disagree with you on this one because Dorit said she's been more supportive of me this year and that's true Erica started off the season by everybody like oh we saw you're dating this guy and Kyle's like well I knew about it and Dorit's like well why didn't you tell me and she's like well I only wanted some people to know about it so Erica started the season being very clear that she's not telling Dorit shit. She's only being friends with Kyle. And so Dorit's like, well, you're not being supportive of me all year. And then you're acting like we're best friends and that you've been so supportive of me.

27:56Ronnie Karam: You haven't called me about my divorce. You haven't given me, what are you talking about? Like, Bose is my only friend this whole year. You and Kyle have been shitheads to me for this whole year. And then Erica comes at her with all of this shit from Kyle. I mean, Erica's thing about Dorit being late, yes, that is fucking rude. And that could have been a separate conversation that I would have been a hundred on board with Erica. But the fact that she's just jumping on Kyle's like, yell at her. So Erica's like, yeah, Dorit. And so she just goes for Dorit just because Kyle tells her to. That's just bullshit.

28:25Ronnie Karam: It's not being a good friend at all. I think she's being a total asshole. And I think that Boz is her only friend this year. So Erica can suck it.

28:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I still think it was. I think that Boz, I actually do agree that Boz is probably a better friend to Dorit these days. but I still think that Erica probably has been really supportive of Dorit. And I've been in that position where someone is just taking and taking and taking. So you just don't even bother saying like, this is what's going on in my life because it's like, you're not interested in what's going on in my life. You're just only talking about yourself. That's all you do. I'm just not, I'm just going to sit here and I'm going to be supportive of you. But like, you're going, you're going through your thing.

29:01Ben Mandelker: You don't want to hear about what like exciting thing is going on in my life. I'm just going to hold it back. so I'm giving Erica a bit of the benefit of the doubt because I don't know if that's the context I don't know if I was going to say did that happen I don't think that Erica even accused her of that well but we I mean but we all know we've all had our friends who've gone through like the divorces and stuff and like you know it's a one-way street in that time at that in that moment it is one way

29:27Ronnie Karam: we also know that is there a bigger one-way street in that in that vein than Erica going through everything she's been going through with Tom and the court cases and screaming cunt at everybody on the show, calling everybody names, screaming at everybody, crying, making everything about her and Tom for years and years and still bringing it up. Like, you don't know what I'm going through. I mean, Erica's been the worst. I don't think Erica's, have we ever seen Erica, well, I guess this season we've seen it a little with Kyle, but we don't see Erica calling people and being like, how are you? How are things with your divorce?

30:00Ronnie Karam: Even Denise's abuse storyline erica turned around to make about herself and i mean i'm not taking away from erica's abuse because that's fucking terrible but like the scene was about denise's thing and erica i mean just like erica calling erica insinuating that anyone else is selfish is my point is cray

30:19Ben Mandelker: cray yeah i think um well i think first of all there's like a base level of selfishness amongst

30:25Ronnie Karam: all these women let's well that's true it is in the description i think you're right i think also

30:30Ben Mandelker: I think if Erica four years ago had said something similar to Dorit and Dorit got really pissed off and was like, oh, I'm not friends with you because I'm sitting here supporting you during this. And you're going to say that to me. I would have been on Dorit's side about that as well. I just think that like, I just think it's like shitty. Like when people go through these breakups and go through these things, it's like the person on the receiving end who's supporting them has to really just kind of like sit there and hear it and hear it and hear it and not like the phone rings. And you know that the next 45 minutes to an hour and a half of your life is going to be devoted to having to listen to them.

31:07Ben Mandelker: And that's what you're there for. You're there and you want to do that because it's your, your friend, but like, it's a lot, it's a lot. so then for someone if you've gone through that and then someone says like you haven't been supportive of me i don't care if erica has or hasn't shared about shrek and i do agree that a like a the better thing would have been for her to share it i do think it's like kind of shitty that she didn't share it but i do also think that two things can be true like erica could have shared about that but i think that dorit just being like well they've supported me more than ever and while you have like these people waiting for dorit erica waiting you know i'm just like

31:42Ronnie Karam: Like, well, I'm never going to stand up for the waiting. I'm never going to stand up.

31:46Ben Mandelker: I know you're not. I'm just like that. Like you add that to it. And actually on top of that, that's like a multiplier. Like in video games, that's like the 4x point multiplier is the lateness. Because that just somehow makes everything so much worse. So, yeah, I kind of get why Erica is so angry.

32:05Ronnie Karam: I just, I don't see how this season, she said this year, Dorit. and we have not seen Kyle or Erica be supportive of Dorit this season. We really haven't. We've seen Erica a little bit, like when it's brought up in the scene, she's like, yeah, fuck PK or whatever. But, you know, I just, I can see why Dorit, like how are you saying you're supportive of me when you're coming at me? Like you're constantly coming at me with Kyle. Why are you saying you're supporting me? That's ridiculous. Like you see that Kyle's trying to call me crazy. She's trying to insinuate that I'm unstable, which could affect my divorce, which you know my husband's evil and he's using everything that comes on camera against me in a court of law.

32:45Ronnie Karam: And you see what Kyle's doing and you're choosing to team up with Kyle against me and yet you're trying to call yourself a supportive friend. You haven't been supportive of me this year. Bose has been supportive of me this year. You've been cackling hags. So, yeah. And listen, I feel very uncomfortable being on Dorit's side because I don't think it's ever happened. how do you think i feel since when have i ever been on erica's side i don't like it i don't think this is that so it's an uncomfortable space for me to be in

33:16Ben Mandelker: but um yeah i just i i still i guess i guess it's more like whether or not erica should feel should feel this way i understand why she does feel this way you know and however What I will also say is that later on in the episode, I think it's really shitty, really shitty when Erica says, oh, now I guess I understand why PK, now I understand where PK is coming from. That to me is bad. It's one thing to be like.

33:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so like how could you stick up for someone like that? Someone who's not supporting you. You know, like what you're saying about your friends, you know, you go through the divorce and then you have to sit there and listen to it. Yeah, I've done that. I do that multiple times. I've done that with a lot of my girlfriends. You know, that's what you do. That is being a friend. And that's the point. Erica's not that. And she refuses to be that. And the second she's required for any kind of emotional support, she's like, fuck that bitch. And she just doesn't care and has no problem piling on. And then saying shit like that, like maybe her husband was right.

34:19Ronnie Karam: I mean, Erica's just a shit person. She's a terrible person. And she admits it, you know, which should help. But it doesn't really.

34:27Ben Mandelker: I think I was actually I was really shocked when Erica said that thing about PK. because I would like Kyle saying that I would not be surprised because Kyle is not a girl's girl despite all her proclamations you know to the contrary but Erica I actually do feel like has it's been pretty good about certain things about like not saying shit like that so I was like genuinely shocked when she said that but I still I still think that she is like I don't know I I actually want to go back and look at their whole fight again and see it in the new context of this of like everything and like see how I, how I feel about it.

35:02Ben Mandelker: And it has like a relationship ending fight for them. I don't know if they come back from this, quite frankly. I think this is the end. There've been, they've had other fights, the three of them that I felt like were performative to get the audience to shut up because the audience is always accusing them of being a clique. So they have these performative squabbles. So that way we think like, Oh no, they're not a clique. They, they have their own independent people. But this time I think this is it for this trio. Well,

35:25Ronnie Karam: I think casting is going to change up. So I think it just depends on who wins with casting because Kyle and Eric are making a stance. They're making that, you know, they do it every season to somebody. And this season it turned on Dorit, which, again, it's Dorit's fault for being part of this clique in the first place because Dorit's helped do it with multiple people, you know, back to the Vanderpump days. So she's been a part of this, getting people off the show. And now it's coming to her. And so it's like the gauntlet's been thrown. It's like, who's it going to be? Is it going to is Kyle going to retire, which leaves Erica really nothing to do.

35:57Ronnie Karam: and they keep Dorit because Dorit's kind of got this divorce storyline going on and people are kind of behind Dorit right now? Or do they get rid of Dorit and just let Kyle and Erica kind of flounder for another year? No, they're going to keep Dorit.

36:10Ben Mandelker: Dorit is, she's shown like a huge amount of life and spark. So I think they keep Dorit. I think they'll keep all three of them. I think everyone's trying to like drum up this thing like Kyle might be retiring. They might be getting rid of Kyle. Kyle is not going anywhere. Kyle, for better or worse, knows where her bread is buttered. She knows where her salmon is burnt. And it's here on Bravo.

36:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I mean, I've always said that. Like, Kyle's never going to leave this show. I just don't see her doing it. But, I don't know. It's kind of

36:40Ben Mandelker: long in the tooth, you know? Yeah, but also Bravo's going to want to track this, because now we actually have, like, a real relationship dynamic that's worth watching, which is how do Kyle and Dorit and Erica move forward like that they're kind of all three like built in for the next season they actually actually have a storyline to to follow yeah where they have to get back together and all that and

37:00Ronnie Karam: by the way when i say long in the tooth i don't mean old i mean it's been 15 years on this show it's like enough enough kyle like her stories are long in the tooth very long veneers and shaved down she's done her so many times that she doesn't have gums left okay

37:18Ben Mandelker: okay well the point is this um this was a simple thing that they could have gone to they probably should have gone to they probably should have gone to this thing but um they haven't and now there's gonna be shit a shit storm about yeah to read book cover

37:37Ronnie Karam: and then she says yeah and you know it wasn't just a calling me a cut fitness it was leaving kyle and i in the town you were not left in the town there was another van to take you home we're not idiots. We saw it on TV. And then her and I having words at dinner. Which, who cares? And then saying Buzz has treated me better. Well, sweetheart, wait a second. Wait a minute. Like, I'm your friend for eight fucking years.

38:01Ben Mandelker: I think everybody's just at their limit. You know, there's only so much that friends can take before they go, you know what? This is not worth this. I don't need to be treated like this. Maybe PK wasn't wrong. I can't believe I just said that. Yeah, that's shitty. That was, that's, that's bad.

38:18Ronnie Karam: I love what you're Erica. So it just, it feels like

38:22Ben Mandelker: something Kyle would say. I feel like it's something Kyle has said. It's just so funny to

38:26Ronnie Karam: me that Erica is like looks the way she is in this confessional because she's just like such a robot anyway. And she's done her makeup to look like two little sardine cans being opened and her eyes just kind of poking out of metal being like, maybe PK was right. You're such a bot. Jesus.

38:46Ben Mandelker: she really is

38:47Ronnie Karam: it's her best season she's like the robot overlords who end up taking over you know she pretends to be nice it's just like you ask her how the weather's doing in the morning and she's like the weather is 76 degrees have a good day and then it turns into this you know and they just kill everybody around them yeah that's her best season

39:08Ben Mandelker: Dorit it really is

39:11Ronnie Karam: it is one of her best seasons

39:13Ben Mandelker: it's like legitimately her best season so Dorit is like Erica not trying to even have not even having the fucking decency well she didn't even write or say anything no so then they're like wait a second wait a second it's time to have it okay let's it's time to have this okay Dorit it's gonna be your moment your moment coming up she's like okay okay okay I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do this she's like okay we've got you we're here we're the people we love you okay think about the people who love you got it I'm going to do that right now and listen

39:41Ronnie Karam: nobody may be taking this party seriously but at least one person is and that is nick the party planner next like oh my god oh my god where's steve stop the music stop the music steve stop it okay are you ready and like nick calm down you're you're taking the sheet off of a picture

40:01Ben Mandelker: it's gonna be fine steve nick but what if it sticks what if it sticks what if it hangs on the corner and knocks the whole thing off come on these are things you have to think about

40:07Ronnie Karam: contingency plans i'm really worried because i love to read and there's a dorit right now behind a sheet and that Dorit can't see anything. And I'm really afraid of the Dorit in shoulder pads. Please, please help Dorit take the sheet off her face.

40:19Ben Mandelker: I wish they did a callback to Dorit's first season when she and P.K. had their first party and they had a secret band behind curtains. But they told everyone that the curtains were up because there was a black mold situation. So everyone was like, welcome to our party. Please welcome, come to our mansion. Unfortunately, we do have some black mold over here. Black tails are over here. Would you care for some canapes? Just make sure you don't get any black mold in it.

40:46Ronnie Karam: And now the physical representation of black mold,

40:49Ben Mandelker: Boi-Juge. I know. Everyone, please welcome to my book cover party. Come over here. We've got free cocktails. Just stay away. We have one small section of black mold on an easel here. So just stay away from that. Thank you so much. And now the coming chameleon,

41:06Ronnie Karam: Boi-Juge. Boi-Juge. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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42:19Ronnie Karam: Shop in the app, online, and in stores.

42:25Ben Mandelker: So then we see Jennifer selecting charcuterie, which is just very, very entertaining. A little this, a little that.

42:37Ronnie Karam: just yeah all i need is jennifer just put jennifer choosing charcuterie breaking a purse she was the best part of the episode and dorit's really trying to hammer all this stuff home with nick she's like oh and these people didn't come and those people didn't come and let me tell you something nick i'm surrounded by a bunch of court fitnesses okay dorit like we get it like You say the C word. You're so empowered. Like enough.

43:02Ben Mandelker: Enough. Rachel has to confront her living nightmare, which is having a one-on-one conversation with Amanda. She's like, how's it going? She's like, um, my ethos is women making money and doing their thing. And I love this night. And like, we're standing here at Dorit's book party for a book she's not even writing herself, which is like just fits into this like overarching story of like you know like she knows this right now yeah this is like a stream of revenue for her a small stream a trickle it's like one of those little streams that you see in the back that are like imagine if this were a flash flood but it never it becomes one one of those streams you know it's like it's an amazing stream of independence and power and maybe tens of book sales.

43:53Ben Mandelker: The entire premise of everything that I do,

43:56Ronnie Karam: everything I do, is to impact and empower women. That's all I do. And I think I'm the epitome of a girl's girl because even if Dorita and I aren't friends, even if things never get hashed up between us, I still want this for her because outsourcing your financial well-being to a man works for some women, not women like me, because I'll never rely on a man. That was never who I was going to be. I'm me, Amanda, who believes. Shut the fuck up. What is this, 20 minutes? How is Rachel sitting through this claptrap? Shut her up. She's such a good person. let her monologue for 30 minutes about what a good fucking person she is.

44:49Ronnie Karam: Please go pay$50 ,000 for her course now. Get out of here tissue dress. What are you wearing a bunch of used Kleenex? Get out. Get out of this party. You're not even good enough to be at a picture unveiling. Get out.

45:03Ben Mandelker: All Rachel can say is fuck no. Fuck no. And when she says it she like her whole body rattles because like when Rachel says a syllable too aggressively her body can't handle it. It's like driving a car too fast or something or carrying too many things in the car. Fuck no.

45:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this is why I felt like we would find some common ground. Yeah, I prefer... What's the other place in the Hamptons where I really fucked this one up? On Common Grounds? No. You know how they go to Common Grounds? What's the other place they go to this week when she's like, no, we're not going... Yeah, Surf Lodge. We're going to Surf Lodge. I prefer

45:42Ben Mandelker: that's where Xander's playing oh by the way Xander's singing happy birthday in Surf Lodge right now I live here now I live here now um hey something is happening something is happening we need champagne yes Dorit Dorit Dorit hip hop hooray so Dorit is like she gets up on stage and she's like yes Posey Posey yes hello everyone thank you my darlings Okay, here's Jaggi and Phoenix. Okay, everyone, my babies. Here they come. Here they come. Phoenix is doing much better ever since she went to her first class. Okay. I love you all so much. I'm so glad that you're here. I'm like, gee, everyone that I love is in this room.

46:27Ben Mandelker: Thank you so much for coming tonight. Thank you for being here. This cover, it's the marker of a chapter that I thought very hard to arrive at. There was a wordplay there. See, I'm an author now. Chapter. Are you following? Do you see what I'm saying here?

46:42Ronnie Karam: This is my memoir. This book is about grace, great, and choosing yourself without apology. So I'm sorry. I'm choosing myself. Now here's to all of us writing our own stories unapologetically. Cheers.

47:00Ben Mandelker: And then at this point, Nick's heart is racing because the kids have to pull the sheath off the picture. He's like, come on, come on, don't snag the corner. And it's revealed and everyone cheers. And it's Dorit in her shoulder pads. Looking like the biggest shoulder pads in life.

47:18Ronnie Karam: She's wearing like a cream suit with gigantic shoulder pads from like another world. And this week, Erica did an interview on the street somewhere. And she was wearing the same outfit. And I was like, what's that? Why are you coming from Dorit and then wearing her outfit out in public?

47:36Ben Mandelker: Weirdo. The concept of Erica doing an interview on the street is hilarious. That's a... I just can't imagine Erica walking down a sidewalk and doing like a man on the street interview. So to read is...

47:51Ronnie Karam: Go back to your roots.

47:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. This book is just the beginning of what's to come. Me using my voice and reclaiming my independence. Fearless and unburdened. I'm so independent. That's why I need all my friends to be here right now. So three tugging your kids. It's a nice moment. And I don't need those kids up there.

48:13Ronnie Karam: Did they write something? Listen, if we're going to, if we're going to congratulate children, I would prefer that they're actually doing labor. Why don't you have some of the kids that make iPhones up there? I'll applaud them.

48:23Ben Mandelker: Your kids haven't done shit. So something then happens that really amused me. Rachel. So goes, I'm literally dead. And I laughed because. I saw on the, I don't know, like I randomly like was looking around and someone was saying like, gosh, why did Ben and Ronnie always, whenever they do Rachel Zoe, they always have her say, I'm dead. I'm literally dead. I feel like that's like really old. Isn't that from like her first show? I'm like, see?

48:52Ronnie Karam: Really? That's funny. Yeah. Because she says it all the time. I'm literally dead. It's giving like, I don't give a fuck, but I still look hot. That's the vibe. And she looks like, what is it? like bothered is it was it burdened is it bridled what is it i don't i don't know what it is i'm pretending to be supportive just what what's the book cover shoulder pad and shoulder padded i don't

49:14Ben Mandelker: i don't know what is that no this is going to be a kathy tells us this i think this is going to be a good long read this will be a good summer uh this will be a whole a summer a summer read i'm like what is going to be the whole summer what has happened in Dorit's life that's going to take the whole summer to read about it's like I worked in fashion and now I'm on the Real Housewives

49:41Ronnie Karam: Kathy like they finally got Kathy to get a line at she's like it's gonna be it's gonna be the whole summer

49:50Ben Mandelker: so uh the party is going and they're all happy and Rose is like it's like oh my god look at me I'm like fully dressed like Rachel Zoe. My hair is just like Rachel Zoe. I'm like Rachel Zoe. I'm Rachel Bose. And Rachel's like, ha, ha, ha, ha.

50:04Ronnie Karam: So they all sit down together to chat. And Amanda's like, yeah, it's me. I think a stream of revenue, like a book deal, it's financial independence. Like, I believe in this for you. And that's why I came, even though we had a bit of a rough go. I made a coffee cup that says, I believe in you. I'm a woman. I believe in ethos. This is a huge coffee cup. Does it ever shut up?

50:36Ben Mandelker: It matters a lot, you know? It really does. Now, could you sit on the other side of the banquette? Thank you so much. So, Dorit says, it's wild to me that Amanda...

50:45Ronnie Karam: Mick, could you throw the sheet over her? Throw the sheet over her.

50:50Ben Mandelker: So this is one of those Dorit confessionals where she's looking at us like a lemur and she's like, it's wild to me that Amanda could show up to support me. You two of my closest friends, two of my closest friends in this group could not be bothered to walk through that door. I'm like, okay, Dorit, we get it. We get it.

51:12Ronnie Karam: They're not here. Am I allowed to toast you, Dorit? Am I allowed to toast you? I don't eat toast. Make a toast. Please don't make toast Calms have been disallowed in this party Okay, let's touch to Dorit Okay, here it is To Dorit Wow To Dorit also Wait, hold on, I forgot to add something Dorit's hot as fuck

51:36Ben Mandelker: Thank you Seeing all of you guys show up and truly support Truly, truly, truly, truly Truly, truly, truly Dorit, you have to stop It's made my heart very full And I think Boze has something to say. Boze, as my best friend, most supportive friend, and person I've always confided in the most in this group, could you have the floor?

51:57Ronnie Karam: I'm marrying an out-of-work actor from San Diego, buying him a house and pretending to have a baby with him, everybody. They're like, oh, my God, there's no business like show business. It's Kelly!

52:13Ben Mandelker: So they're all like... they're all very excited and um and to read like you know tonight was a really big night and the launch of my book boz's engagement nick got to take some satin off of a poster it's a lot to celebrate

52:31Ronnie Karam: and they didn't launch your book for it you didn't launch trying to be on your side here you have not written a book to read okay guys we've got a bride amongst us. A bride! So she says she looks around and she's reminded of what is important and who shows up when you need them the most. I'm sucking on candy.

52:55Ronnie Karam: I love her sucking on candy look she gives in the confessional now. She's like, oh really? Well, I have a point. And it is this.

53:05Ben Mandelker: I'm going to suck on candies and say each word very slowly and give it a lot of space. And then look like a little tiny pointed claw machine.

53:16Ronnie Karam: If Carl thinks that she is going to do a confessional without a second candy, are we even friends? So, Boz is like, to defeat being unburdened by these god-awful shoulder pads with those heavy G's.

53:35Ben Mandelker: And now it's time to go to Farrah's house. Oh, good. Because it's time for a Richard's wedding scene, wedding planning scene. So the girls are all like choosing things and like, are you ready in this house? What about mom? Where are mom and dad going to stay? What about this? Again, they're doing their whole, we have a dramedy on ABC on Sundays at 9 p.m. And that's like what this whole scene is like. It's just doesn't even, it's just like annoying.

54:01Ronnie Karam: You know what's so weird is I did sit through this scene, but in my mind is fast forwarding. It's like, I don't remember any. I just remember them all laying on the couch talking in like vocal fry and then Kyle crying and being like, oh my God, we have all these like big life moments happening right now. Like my daughters, but they're grown up. And then I think about my husband and I'm like, oh my God, you know, it's like, should I, I remember thinking like, should I pull the plug on this marriage? You know, and you'll know when that time comes at like, I'm not buying it, Kyle. Okay. And Kyle talking about, oh, I'm so lonely.

54:35Ronnie Karam: you know, Kyle, you left your husband for a hottie who's as old as your daughter and bought a house with her in Nashville. Can we stop pretending that you're going through this horrible divorce and you're so lonely in your house with nothing to do? I don't want to hear it. You're banging a hottie country star. Okay. You're living the best life ever. You're buying houses all over. I'm not crying for you, Kyle. Okay. I just,

54:59Ben Mandelker: I just, I'm wondering how many times in one season, how can ask us, how did we even get here? why is it that this was like so entertaining when i watch it on sisters on nbc but like

55:10Ronnie Karam: when i watch it in real life i'm like there's not a sealer among these women that's the family there's not that's there's not sealer has more charisma and one fingernail than any of you there's not a question that i can get into it needs to not be like how did we get here but why am I still here? What are you still doing here? Your ride left five seasons ago.

55:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But so either way, it's, it's a whole thing there. She's just being, she's just contemplating about this wedding and yada, yada, yada. So anyway, they're what's her face is going to get married. And it's an exciting thing that we'll see later on. Now we go to Rachel's house and her kitchen island has just like a million flower vases on it for no good reason. And we're just like, Dana, these flowers are like insane. Like stunning. I can't stop taking pictures. Wait, can you take a picture and send it to Zand and be like, happy birthday, right? He loves that song. It's like our song. I love your now.

56:14Ronnie Karam: So Dorit comes over and it's like, oh my God, I poured you some vodka because you drink. Oh my God, have you recovered? Did you sleep at all? That book cover was insane. You look so hot. You look so hot. I'm dead. You're hot. I'm dead. You're hot. You're hot. I'm dead. I'm dead.

56:34Ben Mandelker: Surf launch. Sad. I love that at this point, Rachel seems to refuse to go to anyone else's house. They just always have to go to Rachel's house. Rachel is just staring into the camera like,

56:47Ronnie Karam: this is still going? How long do you guys do this? And they spell Hamptons before the season's over.

56:54Ben Mandelker: No, not the Beverly Hills season, the Hamptons season. Keep up.

56:57Ronnie Karam: so to replay are they keeping the extensions on their head they're so long on this show everybody has extensions down to like the back of their knees they're long doesn't that cause like hair thinning when you've got extensions that big and heavy all over you it's a lot i know it's crazy

57:13Ben Mandelker: and like rachel's hair looks like one of those slides at the carnival you know it's like oh my god like you can take like a burlap sack and just go right down the side of it and just have the best time. Those are long extensions. They're long.

57:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Oh, sorry. Sound is trying to climb up my extensions. Sorry.

57:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Rapunzel's like very in right now. She's a hot bitch. She's like so hot tangled. Rapunzel was so hot they had to lock her in a castle. She's like dead. Literally dead. So Dorit is like, you know, it was such a beautiful moment seeing my face on some film core. That was just such a beautiful thing for everyone. And it just could have been wonderful to have the whole support of the group to see that too.

57:58Ronnie Karam: To see myself as I've always envisioned myself when I walk into a Kinko's.

58:06Ronnie Karam: Banners are next. Okay, so here's what I'll say. I've been standing up for Dorit. I will say this though. I would prefer if I was directing this show, I would say, you know what, Dorit? I think this is where you're the bigger person and you just let it go and don't hammer this for an entire episode and a three-part reunion and just be like, okay, they were bitches. They're not my friends. I'm a strong woman. I came out with this book. Fuck them. What else do you want to do? Instead of being like, they didn't come and this hurt me and that hurt me. How could they? Am I the fools? And she's going to go down this kind of victim path, which I get.

58:46Ronnie Karam: I mean, in my opinion, she has the right to argue. And I know it's a show about arguing, but I would rather her be like, look, I'm making this. I'm leaving my loser husband, even though he left her. I'm getting rid of this loser. I'm coming out with a book. I'm going to support my kids. I'm going to be this strong ass woman. And I don't care what those stupid, you know, bees think about me. I don't care.

59:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But, you know, it's this show, which means that if something happens, it's going to take 12 episodes to resolve this.

59:13Ronnie Karam: 12 years.

59:14Ben Mandelker: It's going to take 12 years. The whole concept of like, you know what? Just move on. That doesn't exist here. So, Dorit is like, you know, in Sutton, Sutton's was under the guise of, oh, I don't want to put a damper on your evening, sweetheart. You shacked all over the evening by doing what you did. And Rachel goes, now, Kyle, like, that makes sense to me. Like, only because you guys are like, not in a good place. Like, literally, you guys live in Encino. It's just like, the worst.

59:44Ronnie Karam: are you sure they're not talking to you are you sure that they're not like ignoring you because you moved to encino because that's like that's rough it's like all you guys have is basically

59:53Ben Mandelker: a chili's on ventura um it's like absolutely however she maintains that i'm somebody that she cares about so so much but she's been concerned okay the worst that i have done rachel is what i've been overwhelmed right not erratic overwhelmed so i don't have it together like I usually do. So I'm not on time. So you've had to wait. So that annoys you. So I'm like, not myself. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that you've had to wait for me. I'm like, well, okay, Dorit, don't bring up that thing. That's like your most losing argument.

1:00:24Ronnie Karam: You're going to fail on that one. Yeah, you're going to fail on that one, even with me. And I'm going to the mat for you today. But yeah, the late one, no, ma 'am. You do that shit to me, I'm out of there. Ouch. And just acting like it's no big deal is not cool either. Like, oh, I've had a divorce, so I can be late. You're always late. You've been late for 10 years. You need to cut that shit out. It's rude. It's fucking rude. So Rachel's like, have you said this to her verbatim? Have you said it to her? And she's like, oh, honey, so many times. She goes, have you? Was I around? Was I living then?

1:00:57Ronnie Karam: Because I'm dead now. Well, even when I tried to explain, she shoot me down. She shoot me down. She doesn't even allow for a very, how do you say? Je ne se quise. Open dialogue. Yes.

1:01:11Ben Mandelker: Kathy's having a party and if Kyle is ready to have the conversation Kyle and I can sit down and we'll have the conversation that's Kyle Erica I really, really, really, really have a deep pain in my heart that she could be so flippant about something so important to me could you imagine she's just being flippant about things well, I mean, literally people will be flipping the pages of your book that's not the point okay, my relationship with Erica is not contentious nor has it been there's deep love there, deep support there's friendship that has been built for a decade

1:01:45Ronnie Karam: oh god and then we see their friendship built up over a decade we see all these little phony housewives clips and we all knew this wasn't going to last the second they went to that chocolate place and they were like you guys are basically Thelma and Louise that never works out has any Thelma and Louise from these shows stayed together? oh no, Lucy and Ethel it's the Lucy and Ethel

1:02:07Ben Mandelker: When people say that's like Thelma and Louise, I'm always like, did you see the movie? I actually have never seen the movie, but even I know how it ends. You haven't seen the movie? It's a good movie. I know. Isn't that shocking? It is, actually. I was going to look at the Gino Davis marathon a few weekends ago, and I was going to watch all the Gino Davis movies that I'd never seen that I felt like I always should have seen, but I didn't do it. It's hard to say. Wow. Big update, guys. I still have not done my Gino Davis marathon.

1:02:34Ronnie Karam: Talk about being unbooted. Yeah, that was a good one But no, I think they called themselves Thelma and Louise Later when they drove the fast car With scarves on their head But this time it was the Lucy and Ethel And I don't think Lucy and Ethel stay together on these shows

1:02:49Ben Mandelker: I don't know if Lucy and Ethel even stayed together in real life I think they had some acrimony Probably Also like

1:02:56Ronnie Karam: How would you feel if you were Ethel? You're stuck with Fred Okay, Lucy gets the hot husband You get Fred Lucy gets all the good lines You're the one, you know, looking like an idiot everywhere you go. You have to be frumpy wherever you go. You know, Lucy gets everything. Fucking Lucy.

1:03:11Ben Mandelker: Also, like, I don't know if it's good to be Lucy and Ethel. They were totally inept and incapable when they were at the chocolate factory. Like, is that who you want to pair yourself with? Like, you're losing the, you're going to get fired.

1:03:21Ronnie Karam: Someone has to know what they're doing.

1:03:24Ben Mandelker: I want to be, truly, I want to be part of a high functioning sitcom couple. Okay. not some two bumbling idiots stuffing chocolate in their mouths because they can't keep up with a very slow conveyor belt. Okay?

1:03:37Ronnie Karam: Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap. For part two, go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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