#3328 Summer House S10E12 Part Two: West Sigh Story

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1:20Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens. This is part two of a two-part recap. if you're like hey wait a minute I didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one bye enjoy the show

1:37Ben Mandelker: so now it's New York and it's Monday and Dara and KJ are walking with Dara's dog which is nice and then Wednesday Sabrina and Ben are squishing his she's squishing his cheeks together and they're filming it for some reason because this is what they do when you're a model every moment must be captured And then finally on Thursday, we have Sierra. And she's sitting on a stoop. And Mia and her brother Nick go and meet up with her.

2:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So they all meet up because they are going to see a psychic, a medium specifically. And Mia loves her brother. And he's her everything. And they live like four blocks from each other. And they're really cute. So they go to this medium and Mia tells us about her mom passing from pneumonia, but she had an autoimmune disease that affected her lungs and her heart. And she never got to say a proper goodbye. So she wants closure. So they go see this lady, Tiffany. He was like, okay, so before we begin, I just want you to know I'm a spirit medium. And that means, like, I'm basically one of the less expensive mediums, but my seats are smaller and you don't get snacks.

2:50And you pay for your luggage as an add-on.

2:53Ben Mandelker: I communicate with people that have passed and passed loved ones, friends, and family. Pets come through, too. And I once had an old Dorito bag come through me. Yeah, really anything that's been long gone. It all comes through me. You think it's hard to talk to an alive dog? Try to talk to a dead dog. I mean, that's a talent. Hold on. I'm getting something. There's a dog that says, woof. Do you know of any dogs? Well, Dara has a dog. Must be her dog. Is the dog dead? It's alive. Okay. Well, sometimes a live dog just call me up in the brain and just tell me woof. So that's a free one for you. I have no control of who comes through or for how long.

3:33Fred Astaire, he's come through. You just never know. I'm Caesar. He came. Little Caesar. The pizza one. Pizza guy. Wait a second. I didn't even know he was dead. Heart attack. Too much pizza.

3:44Ben Mandelker: Did I say Caesar? I meant Sid Caesar. Very funny man. He says, hey, yo. Oh, sorry. That was Ed McMahon. That's really difficult. A lot of these celebrities. I just ask that you keep an open mind because I'll probably be wrong a lot. But who knows? Who knows? If I'm wrong, we'll just say it's another dead person that happens to be in the neighborhood. Okay. So she says, okay. So I'm getting a really strong female energy coming through anybody, any female, any female takers. Okay. She's saying, I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Okay. Anybody who knows really annoying females who are constantly waving their arms saying I'm here.

4:21Anybody.

4:22Ben Mandelker: Anybody. Was anyone planning to meet a ghost for dinner and they arrived early? The ghost arrived early. They are at the restaurant. She's saying I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. Did any of you guys have plans with a ghost? Okay.

4:35Ronnie Karam: Okay, whoever she is, she's sitting right in the middle of you guys. Okay, but there's no space between them. They're sitting like touching each other. And I was like, well, is she on their lap?

4:44Ben Mandelker: Like, make some room. Okay, this lady says, move over, please. Excuse me, please move over. It's called personal space. I don't know. Does this sound familiar to you guys? Okay, I'm going to really go out on a limb here. She's calling. She's saying baby boy. Okay, baby boy, you've been on my mind. I fancy.

5:04Ben Mandelker: okay now she just said in a new york minute woo woo wow the don henley is really sticking okay she she's acknowledging a necklace anybody have a necklace okay it has an emblem on it and something like that okay do you understand necklace lady with the necklace who's sitting on your lap okay um she i'm seeing i'm seeing a card and it has little holes in it it's a subway punch card does anyone have a subway punch card loyalty program she says don't forget you need to punch the 10th one for the free sandwich so that was a nice that was a nice tip from whoever was coming through there um there is a ghost sitting on your lap making out with you while sierra's right next to you so wait a minute just ghost trying to get on your show sorry um yeah uh anybody get it necklace uh middle and he's like that's her grandmother she goes oh okay your grandma finally good we got something also she's there with another female i have two there's two did you have two grandmas two females how many necklaces did you have in your family a lot of necklaces okay she just says okay you may not have heard this from any other psychic but uh let me be the first medium to tell you that that she says you need to know that i'm okay which by the way this is what every single psychic starts their session with it makes people cry immediately like okay i am hearing uh okay i've i've just heard from uh president polk and he says he's okay he's okay

6:35Ronnie Karam: polk he's okay you know if you really want me to believe this i need to hear like it's president polk he just wanted to say i've always hated that last name and if you don't like your name you should change it because you only live once um angela lansbury says she's okay she's okay

6:55Ben Mandelker: she's just been cast in the heavens uh version of sweeney todd again she's revamping her old role and she's okay.

7:05Ronnie Karam: Angela Lansbury just came through and said, my neighbor did it. Okay. Well, good. Like, give me something specific. I don't want, I'm okay. Like, if my relative comes through, I want them to be like, this is where I hid the money, you know? Or, I don't know, that guy has an STD or something. Like, give me something I can use. Not just, I'm okay. Who asked you? But that's not, that wasn't my question. Where's the inheritance, you know? What is your word code for the crypto wallet? I need something here.

7:38Ben Mandelker: Okay, I'm getting something else. This woman says, I'm okay. Everything is okay. I'm just going to go to Whole Foods. Holy shit, where'd my body go? Oh, my God, I'm dead. Oh, my God, oh, my God. I'm dead. I'm dead. I didn't realize. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm not okay.

7:54Ronnie Karam: Get me out of here. It would be nice if a dead person was like, get me out of this house. I'm stuck in this house. Please. Get some sage or something for Christ's sake. How long? How many times do I have to switch the lights on and off before you fucking sage me out of here? God.

8:11Ben Mandelker: Sage. I never said I'd like sage.

8:13Ronnie Karam: Okay. But this is where I turned from thinking this psychic was totally full of shit to then where I was like, oh, my God, she's real. And I love her. So she says, okay, now she's saying I want you to know that I can breathe okay. and so then Mia just starts crying because her mom uh had a disease where she couldn't breathe and she was always having a hard time breathing and then she went into respiratory attacks and I was like oh my god this is a real one oh shit and she goes okay and she's calling you her beautiful girl and she says she's proud of you and she says I don't know why you took a picture of my hands and she goes oh my god I did take a picture of her hands because crazy and then I started crying i'm such a sucker i know it actually was the whole first half of the the whole first half of the scene i was like oh whatever dead people say something better dead person and i was like oh my god it was really the mom and i was sitting here dissing the mom and she was really

9:07Ben Mandelker: coming through yeah the hands that was really crazy and i was i also was very moved by the scene mainly because whether or not i believed it i was like this is mia is someone who is like going through it and like i feel like mia is very young to have lost both of her parents and i just was like i knew that she needed this you know and i just it was very emotional and i totally believed

9:30Ronnie Karam: it and um she did take a picture of her hands and wow this is this is real so i'm like i want to go see her um and so mia was saying do i think i'm on the right track in my life and am i doing what i'm supposed to be doing and the mom says i want you to have a little bit more confidence in yourself and i know you've been feeling stagnant and never trust a chef and i was like oh my god

9:57Ben Mandelker: wow she's here wow she's she's very specific um so now we go to like a dog adoption thing

10:07Ronnie Karam: she's gonna have a baby girl i'm so sorry the mom also says don't worry you're gonna have a baby

10:12Ben Mandelker: girl yeah okay so go ahead so uh west shows up at this every last one for fostering and adopting animals which is how west got on this show and so um there's you know he's basically saying that he uh he wants to have a dog but he can't he doesn't have enough space so he's gonna help out that's what he's gonna do and so amanda and kyle show up and amanda and west share a very long hug which I'm sure all the detectives were eyeing and reviewing. And they all are going to do this. And this line. I mean, look at this line. Kyle goes, all right, you know, I was just saying, we're not getting a third today.

10:49Okay, we're not getting a third.

10:50Ronnie Karam: It's like, ooh. Don't worry, you weren't included.

10:54Ben Mandelker: I was about to say.

10:55Ronnie Karam: They were never planning on having a third, Kyle.

10:58Ben Mandelker: Three's company. Okay. So they're volunteering and everything, and kyle goes to get a drink leaving uh just uh west and amanda alone and so she's like how's your week been he's like fine have you had time to reflect lol it's a fun concept with west and

11:19Ronnie Karam: it's like nobody had plenty of time to deflect sounds close it's close it's like i had the scaries i mean that's what you're asking me pretty horribly it's been pretty bad for me well what upset me most is that you've been such a good friend to me all summer like it bothers me when you see kyle disrespect me and then you know you've been so supportive and then to watch you disrespect sierra in that way it just like puts a weird dynamic in place you know what i mean like it's really hard for us to have a relationship when you're still upsetting sierra and making her think that you're in a relationship with her who are you in a relationship with me or sierra buddy it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial it's way day at wayfair

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14:11Ronnie Karam: Now, West came out in an interview this week. We talked about it on crappy hour but just for anyone who wasn't listening uh and by the way the interview was his own podcast we found out i was like who's that girl he's doing an interview yeah he has

14:24Ben Mandelker: his own podcast i didn't even know did you i must have missed it uh this was some blonde girl they call her maga barbie so if that tells you anything great and she's he's finally opening up you know

14:37Ronnie Karam: not looking at the camera just like he never looks in anyone's face he just like looks at the floor in wines and he did that a lot in this interview and was saying um you know i just want everyone to know the timeline like it did not overlap like things didn't really get serious till february and then that's when we told everybody which again leads the question like if it didn't get serious until february then it was still going on before february casual serious so yeah like what caused it like how did it happen how did it start what was the spark he's not telling us dog adoption ceremony i don't know but he he was he's insisting that it was not happening during this time i still don't believe you i think it was happening during this time but well um amanda is i don't know i i

15:25Ben Mandelker: know people are like ben you're being so naive of course they were fucking during this time but i don't know like i'm not picking up on that to me what i'm seeing are like the initial foundations because I feel like Amanda and Wes haven't had like a huge amount of interaction. I feel like they've mainly been in group scenes. And then like when he consoled her, that was the first time we saw them having like a moment. And then I don't know. I feel like what I am seeing is like them having more personal conversations. It's starting to build, but I don't know. I am. I'm frequently wrong because I guess.

16:04Ben Mandelker: Well,

16:04Ronnie Karam: cheating doesn't necessarily only mean fucking either, you know, so who knows what who knows what was going on but yeah i think they were already together in this um but who knows no there's no way to know who's right or wrong you know so who knows so um she's like yeah you know he says well i've been trying to protect every and another piece of evidence is she doesn't show up the next weekend she's like oh god here we go with another west and sierra weekend i'm just staying home so to me that was another piece of evidence that she's like fuck this you just break up with her properly so we can just have our relationship yeah or maybe she

16:39Ben Mandelker: was developing feelings and was like i can't go back out there because i can't um but west is saying um that like you know i still think that regardless of everything amanda brings up a good point which is like you went out of your way to clock kyle for being disrespectful to me but then you're being disrespectful to sierra so that's like weird he's like no i mean that's why i'm to like protect everything for the last month like i'm just trying to protect you're not trying to protect anything you are not we you just had that girl sit on your lap there's nothing about that that says you're trying to protect anything that all all that said was these were your true intentions the entire time and everything else is fakery so um this is kind of his real he can

17:20Ronnie Karam: be a little more real around amanda because he says yeah like i mean i'm not a idiot amanda like I understand why I was disrespectful and hurtful, but like at the same time, like, what did I jeopardize? Like, was it friendship? Was it rekindling? Was it just her tolerating me for eight weeks during the summer? Which is basically him saying like, she doesn't even like me. So like, what are we supposed to be back together? Is it like, why am I supposed to feel bad when she doesn't even like me? It's what it sounds like he's saying to me.

17:51Ben Mandelker: If you know that she doesn't even like you, then why are you trying to like earn sympathy points from us by being like i've been trying so hard not to upset her yeah because of the audience why are you so why if you know that she doesn't like you and and all this stuff like you're sitting here doing this like puppy dog thing like maybe she'll like me maybe she'll like me but then you're sitting here acting like well she doesn't even like me so like why the fuck do i have to like be so upset about this it's like so you know the answer and so now you've exposed your fakery about all this yeah exactly so she's like well there's a lot of moving pieces and a lot of layers and like i get what you're saying but like if you hated each other like go ahead do what you want but you know like you rumor has it you're getting super flirty when you go out at night

18:35Ronnie Karam: and she like gives him that wide-eyed look like you fucker and he's like well i mean that's true i guess now our friendship's fucked so do you have any advice i mean what should i just stay in my room forever she's like just don't go silent take accountability apologize no ifs ands or buts apologize to me for making out in front of that in front of me with that girl truly so now it's friday august 22nd i'm sorry to interrupt you but if they were together during this time yikes this makes it 500 times as bad that may makes it 500 times worse makes it oh my god yeah that's that's be really really terrible so now it's august 22nd three days before your birthday

19:16Ben Mandelker: and um yeah everyone's driving out to the hamptons and this time uh scott who is me as boyfriend he is joining for a night so they're like what like welcome to the hamptons scott yeah and dara's like scott's first big weekend i had my first one last weekend so i've kind of been around the block and then uh scott's like yeah cool uh great because yeah this is gonna be fun because i'm

19:40Ronnie Karam: like a guy's guy. And I'm like, ew. All the girls go, ew. He's like, well, I'm a girl's guy as well, guys. And I'm like, gross. He goes, yeah, I just want to throw the pig skin around and have some cocktails. I'm like, what pig skin? It's a football, guys. It's a football. Okay.

19:59Ben Mandelker: Oh, whatever. And the other car is West and Jesse and Ben and KJ and Carl. The bros. The bros are back together. Brachachos. And Jesse is like, he's like guys i have a bit of a boo-boo last weekend right west what right westifer oh fuck oh man there's only like two things you can control now like it's your it's like your oh and actually i'm sorry it's not west who says this i think it was kj who says the only two things you can control right now are your attitude and your effort so regardless of the fuck up no that is west who's saying that he's saying yeah you can only control your attitude and your effort and we're like regardless of the fuck up we're gonna have fun Amanda told me to apologize again today and KJ's like I mean you can only apologize so much Jesus you have to apologize you're gonna apologize again

20:49Ronnie Karam: every episode is West apologizing

20:52Ben Mandelker: yeah so KJ goes just let your actions speak louder than your words I'm like that's the problem actually and by the way inherently everything speaks louder than his words because he's just sitting there doing mumblecore in his bed. So, Jesse's like, what do you mean? Get her sandwiches and shit? Or just not make out with any girls in front of her? Yes. That's actually exactly the answer.

21:18Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

21:19Ben Mandelker: That's it. That's the key.

21:20Ronnie Karam: So, Sierra is talking about the morning. She's like, how are we going to work out the mornings? Mia usually comes to get to my bed. So, how are we going to deal with that? And Mia's like, well, Scott's only here for a night because he does have to go back to the city. He's like, yeah i gotta do some work tomorrow i'm going back to miami you know it's been great going i'm looking forward to going back to miami though i mean mia's not too excited about it but i am i don't like you scott yeah i have to say it i don't like scott i don't like scott for mia i think mia can do way better and i hope she dumps him i find someone who's not like can't wait to go back to miami

21:58Ben Mandelker: yeah no she does this is not gonna last and she needs someone like she's already declared what she wants out of a partner and this guy is not going to be able to give it to her he may be very nice or they may have a nice rapport but like he's jet-setting around the country he's a restaurant towards it just it doesn't work sorry um so uh yeah he's only gonna stay for one night um and then dara's like by the way everyone as someone who's experienced in living in the summer house i would like to announce our good friend kj did ask me to be his girlfriend like really it's like when did that happen um this past sunday yeah like so you guys are exclusive yes we are exclusive i am exclusively only bully flirting him so you can send all all gifts to this address i've registered at macy's thank you mia says bitch i have a clarifying question put your hands on the wheel seriously please don't raise your hands in the car um do you think you're moving too fast and And she says, well, I mean, at this point, we're like, I mean, we kind of know what we want.

23:00So I think it feels right to full send it. Full send, send it. Saturdays are for the boys. Also, I don't think that they're moving too fast.

23:09Ronnie Karam: I mean, I can. It's hard to tell. I don't think saying boyfriend and girlfriend is moving too fast because they're already sleeping together every day and like at each other's houses every day. I mean, if you're getting married or having a baby or something, that's too fast. But boyfriend, girlfriend is just a word. It's okay.

23:25Ben Mandelker: They do seem quite functional. Like they are all up in each other, you know, and they are spending a lot of time together, but not in a love-bomb-y, codependent way like Jesse and Lexi. They just really, really like each other, but then they spend time with other people as well. Like they don't, they like talk to other people and it's not all some weird fantasy that they're building. So it does feel really good. It does feel really fast too. It maybe doesn't feel as fast for us because this is playing out over many, many weeks for us, but I think it's really only like three weeks old. So that's pretty quick.

23:58Ben Mandelker: I would have to say, I think like six or seven weeks is around when you maybe start having that conversation, but you know what? Everyone works in a different way and a different speed. So God bless. And they're still together, by the way.

24:11Ronnie Karam: I would say you like him. He likes you. Nail it down. The end. Boom. We're done. You know? And then, cause if you don't like each other in two weeks, you're like, Oh my God, we moved too fast. Then that's it. You just break up. Who cares? Yeah, exactly.

24:27Ben Mandelker: So the other car arrives and they start, they all pile out, they all tumble out of the car, but then they forget about Ben and they all close the door. And Ben's like, excuse me. Hello. I'm still in here.

24:39Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry. They were speaking on behalf of the audience. Sorry, Ben. So Katie's like, wow, first weekend I brought my skateboard for the first time ever. Wow. Have fun. Following Carl down the street in the morning. like what do you want from us seriously so then uh everyone goes inside and kyle's on the phone outside and west is like damn he's soaking up the sun like no cheryl crow i was surprised he even

25:05Ben Mandelker: knew who cheryl crow was i was like oh wow she made it onto your radar um so kyle's on the phone all right well hang in there you'll be missed by someone maybe not me but someone will miss you and it turns out that Amanda will not be coming to the house this weekend and so they're like whoa and they're all sort of settling in and it's like a lot of guys like a lot of guys piling into this house

25:32Ronnie Karam: yeah and so it's a dude weekend and he calls Amanda and she's like

25:43Ronnie Karam: and then West jokes about adopting a dog last night and they're like oh my god dude that poor dog that poor dog oh yeah so this weekend is uh for the boys am i right like what if it was just all boys all boys and then sierra's like

26:01Ben Mandelker: where's amanda because there's only three girls here right now and i was like oh she bailed i don't really have a good answer she just kind of was on the struggle bus you know so sierra's like hmm okay well uh that's unfortunate so then she goes up to ccj is like well i heard you got a girlfriend, by the way. And so you've got a girlfriend and you've got a girlfriend. Hello. And Cage is like, is that the girlfriend dance? He's like, well, how do you feel? So she basically is like, you've got to tell me about this. Why did you not tell me about you and Dara being exclusive? I was waiting to see you face to face.

26:36Ben Mandelker: I'm never too busy for tea. Let's go. So it's really sweet because basically Sierra and Mia pull them to the side and they're like, okay, tell us everything. They're like his sisters.

26:44Ronnie Karam: and Sierra's like look I mean I think it is a little fast I want you to brace yourself and you know walk cautiously he's like yeah but like that's the thing though like everyone has like okay she says but yeah I've done multiple share houses and obviously mine were not great experiences but no one's going anywhere so you don't need to rush the process okay because you will have to see this person when you break up and they will try and make you look stupid on tv so and me is like yeah you know you just don't get just don't propose too soon you know and also you're younger than her so just make sure you know what you want okay because she's an old lady trying to pin you down it's like how how many years are they apart they don't seem that many years apart to me i don't know everyone looks like a child to me on this show so i'm like I know.

27:39Ronnie Karam: You're both still youthful.

27:41Ben Mandelker: Is KJ like 24? He seems really young, but I don't know how old he is. KJ and Dara are like the two kids. And I think it's cute that Sierra and Mia sort of swoop in and are like, okay, your big sisters are here and we just want to let you know, slow down, slow down a little bit. So then in the meantime, all the guys are like jumping in the pool. It's like testosterone overload. They're all just being bro-y, like shooting baskets. they're just i'm like i'm just waiting for them to all gather around and watch this utopia again on the big screen like they did that last year they all had like a slumber party outside and

28:17Ronnie Karam: watched utopia sierra calls amanda on facetime and she's like you better be asleep i was napping she goes why are there so many boys here there's only three girls i'm gonna kill you so outside the guys were like bro bro bro bro bro it's boys summer it's boys summer guys

28:39Ben Mandelker: uh i mean it's like i just can't do it serious like you're not coming at all i think the idea of going out there just like overwhelming me so much because obviously this summer for khanai it's been rough and i just feel like at this point you know i've just been i've been showing up with a smile on my face every weekend i'm like have you have you amanda with a smile

29:02Ronnie Karam: on your face every weekend i mean there's been like two that you've done that you've

29:08Ben Mandelker: but uh you've smiled i've seen you smile a few times over the years yeah but she's like i just can't it's starting to catch up with me and i can't take it anymore uh you're pissed at west i think

29:20Ronnie Karam: Like, so Sierra's like, I get it. And she goes, did Wes say anything to you when he got to the house? And she's like, fuck no. So Wes comes, like, as if he heard it and knocks on the door. And he's like, okay, this will take, like, three seconds. Oh, my God, fuck, are you on FaceTime? I can come back. She's like, no, you can go ahead and say it. Say it right now. He's like, well, I don't feel any better. Like, you don't have to reply. I just wanted you to know that after a week, like I still feel pretty bummed out about it. And I apologize again.

29:55Ben Mandelker: She's okay. Um, tell whoever that is what's up. Uh, bye. And then he leaves. And then Weston, Amanda, I'm sorry, Sierra and Amanda just like look at each other on FaceTime. Like this fucking guy, by the way, I think the reason why I don't believe that Amanda and Wes are hooking up yet is because I think that like Amanda's love language a little bit is basically to nag. I hate to say nag because there's so many negative connotations of like, you know, women being put in this position of being like the nag or whatever. But I kind of feel like that is Amanda's love language. We literally just saw it on this footage of the two of them at the, at the Yankees game where Wes is up and he's cheering and Amanda like pulls him down, like sit down.

30:37Ben Mandelker: Or she says, act like you love me. Like that's her vibe is like, I think when she's in a relationship she she does that and and i don't think we've see her really being like that with west just yet i think that like if she were romantically linked with west she would be telling him you gotta do this you need to fix this you know no no no why are you doing this why are you being mean to see her but instead she's sort of being like jokey or like she has that i think she has more of a detached vibe it's not like a naggy vibe i think it's more like a you need like a like this is my advice to you vibe and i just don't think she would give such sort of sanguine advice if she were romantically attached to him well i guess i'd counter that by saying i

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34:51Ben Mandelker: So then Sierra is like, you know, He wouldn't even be in this fucking situation if it wasn't for his dumb, stupid face, whatever. And so she's like, here's the thing. I don't hate him, but it's just really hard to keep up the front that I do. And it's just getting exhausting at this point. And I just feel like I've built up stories in my head about who he is and the things that he's done. And I'm sure he's built up stories in his head. And we should just talk and just put it all out there. So she basically goes over to him and she's like, you want to get coffee in the morning? and he's like oh yeah yeah okay coffee in the morning he's like whoa oh my god oh that's crazy she we're getting coffee tomorrow jesse whoa whoa i did it yeah so then um ben is on the phone with

35:40Ronnie Karam: sabrina and this is when he's like sabrina bale i'm pretty good how are you doing oh i thought this was when he was doing the handjob thing so he's just checking in with her so then uh everyone's partying and drinking and they're home now they're home now they're back home after partying at 2 49 a.m and west comes in and um they're sprinting for the chinese food i would too to be honest

36:04Ben Mandelker: and uh dara's like well that's a little bit rude leaving me behind for panda express and kj's like i want that orange chicken i mean am i moving too fast because i literally sprinted over here i don't know i'm like hey well one thing i love is being in the mix this summer so in that spirit see you guys in the morning i'm going to bed i'm going to bed sleeping in the mix

36:25Ronnie Karam: still counting kyle is having fun and fucking around with everybody and picking out on chinese food and he's like wow here i am for the first time in a long time having fun feeling a little more light-hearted feeling like myself and it's because my wife is nowhere to be seen so yeah i think i'm really starting to realize how fucked we are and uh we see he's having a great time

36:47Ben Mandelker: because he's taking the nozzle from the kitchen and just like spring it up like a Bellagio fountain. And then they all fall over. So Kyle's like, yeah, I've wanted to spray that kitchen nozzle all summer long onto Ben, and I haven't had a chance to. And now finally I can do it because Amanda isn't here. It just made me realize it's fucked. She always hates my kitchen nozzle fun. So yeah, whatever.

37:10Ronnie Karam: He sits down with Ben outside, and he's like, yo, real tight, I'm trying to level with you here. All right? I mean, basically I felt really bad because the first couple of weeks, I felt like you saw me at my worst. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't think this is your worst. I see what you're going through. I'm not judging you. Everyone goes through troubles with business and relationships. I'm not looking at that saying that's who you are, mate. I know exactly who you are. You're a man with an extremely hot wife that I'd love to bang at some point.

37:43Ben Mandelker: Thank you.

37:44Ronnie Karam: Great to see you. great shoot thank you um so so now everyone goes to bed and then um now the next morning carl is talking to somebody and or he's listening to something we just hear gently relax your intention gently relax your intention oh gotta get the bagels gotta get the bagels gotta get

38:10Ben Mandelker: so they're gonna be going on a boat today they're excited boat day boat day boat day excited boat day boat day but scott has to leave i mean i was like i wish you were staying for the boat he's like i wish i were too but you know when you've got two families i mean i have to go to miami that's what i meant to say okay i have to go to miami wife i mean miami so sorry i'll be back

38:36Ronnie Karam: um so she is saying that um you know speaking to the media made her feel like it's time to move on and make decisions in her life. And so now it's time to make a decision. And I hope it is to dump this guy. So now it's later in the day and they're getting ready to go on this boat or whatever. And Jesse is going to go out with West. Dun, dun, dun. And Carl sees her. She's like, you are smoking. You look amazing.

39:08Ben Mandelker: Oh, you look so good. um so yeah sarah comes down the stairs to for her big her big thing and this is where ben is on the phone and he's like oh my god sabrina sabrina bill do you know it's crazy i had a dream that someone gave me a handjob in the house isn't that wild and her name was amanda and it turns out i wasn't really sleeping so maybe it really happened who knows isn't that so funny isn't that the funniest thing you've ever heard sabrina but he's saying you had it he's like oh that's

39:37Ronnie Karam: crazy you had a dream that someone gave me a hand job the minute sabrina's not there she's like who's

39:42Ben Mandelker: giving you hand jobs oh i thought he had said that he had a dream that he got a hand job no sabrina i was like why are you telling me this it's so crazy i had such a crazy dream somebody gave you a hand job in the summer house and he's like that is crazy um so now let's see here um they're

40:02Ronnie Karam: looking for west because it's a big meeting with west so let's go with west of sierra

40:06Ben Mandelker: the big summit so um west is like i woke up before my alarm went off because they're by the way they're sitting at this like outdoor area overlooking some sort of water or something like that and she's like why he's like um i'm antsy i guess so they're sitting on up they're sort of like an it's an l shaped uh sort of bench area and they're different they're sitting on different parts of the l and he can barely look at her he's just sort of doing that thing where he's like looking at his feet and every now and then he raises up his eyes and squints at her but he's like pretty much can't look at her and he's like all nervous and she's like okay well it's been two years of nothing really being said and i'm i'm almost like scared to be nice to you or scared you know to be myself around you because i'm afraid of being like embarrassed and like last weekend was like so weird it's just like the very thing that i was afraid of happening he sat right next to me you didn't even see me and he's like and she says like i just feel like all this is very triggering in this whole cycle of like whatever the fuck our relationship is he's like yeah like i'm subjecting you to that and like i'm really sorry for it so i'm gonna apologize it's like oh god so you're

41:12Ronnie Karam: just gonna say the same shit over and over so she says you know i was just trying to think things over and i don't want to rehash it but you know you talking to the press and the media that was the nail in the coffin because you downplayed our whole relationship and the wording was like we're not each other's people and I really did consider you my best friend and I feel like we had such a great friendship and that's why it was so hurtful because I don't just call anybody my best friend and it felt like you I didn't know you because like I just would never expect you to do that and he's like yeah and I think like hearing you say the words like back to me like yeah it makes me really sad and like in the moment I was just like under attack you know and you weren't really communicating and so like naturally i just tried to defend myself so she's like well i'm sorry that i didn't text you and i wasn't there for you um i can take accountability for not being there for

42:10Ben Mandelker: you when you probably needed it like i feel like this wouldn't be the situation if we didn't have all the cameras and fans or anything it would just be a lot simpler it's like yeah and like the other hard part is that like i know what my phone looks like and it's just like so many people talking about you and I and comparing us and like talking shit on me and like whatever it's just like super nasty and like your natural instinct is to resent the person everyone is shitting on you about and I was like well this feels a little bit more honest he basically is like everyone took your side and everyone's dunking on me and so then yeah I like really resented you because I felt like like no one understood my side of the story so I felt like this was actually good that Wes was finally being a little bit more honest about how he felt about her instead of just being like I was

42:54Ronnie Karam: trying not to like upset you you know yeah and um he's saying like yeah and then you come after me and then now everybody's after me and so of course i just was like resentful and he's like but it wasn't really you doing it it was the audience kind of thing and she says well yeah i guess that muddies the water of how we feel about each other because like how do you know if you're on tv and you're reading all of this other shit and then i feel pressure to act this way towards you and you feel this pressure to you know constantly apologize in a bullshit manner so they say that they miss each other and she cries and um she says you know i don't want people talking shit or being mean to you because you're not a bad person i never thought you were a bad person but last year i wasn't really in this space but this year i'm just tired of carrying it and i want to let my guard down and be normal around you but it's hard because i don't know what that even looks like at

43:47Ben Mandelker: this point and so he's like well i obviously can still feel that you do have like um clearly a lot of walls up and i hate that because like like when you told me about the fucking house in north carolina like i know that story more than like fucking anyone at that table and i wanted to talk to you about it and like how fucking proud i am of you and i was like how cool that was and then like um i knew we weren't gonna like talk about it and like those moments are like really hard because like even if we never talk again i want you to know that like i'm sorry for anything and like everything that hurt it's like been like a lot and i have like a lot of time to reflect and like um i was thinking about like the family stuff you know like when i had you meet my family and like um i don't want to have to say sorry for to you but like you know for doing that but like i thought about it and it's like really impactful and like i feel really bad so like i and i think I understand you like more now am I am I excuse from class now can I go okay I've already used

44:50Ronnie Karam: walls down and everything I can already use so I'm just gonna say this I see you more because that's really like her key phrase you know it's I just want to be seen I just want to be seen I just want to be seen so he's like I see you more she's like thank you that's all I wanted okay you can pass it's like she opens the door it's like he finally came up with the passcode the passcode and he's like yeah you know i'm just happier when we communicate you know and now you're smiling that's good so we should move forward to like you know whatever boundaries you have i mean i could be your best friend tomorrow and she's like can we just be best friends again and then she starts to cry and they hug and cuddle and i'm like oh god damn it no don't fall for it i know but you I will say if this stuff all didn't happen with Amanda, he would have been officially forgiven.

45:41Ben Mandelker: He would have been audience. He would have been. Cause it actually was a nice scene and it just was painful knowing what's coming. If you didn't know, then it would be like, this was a nice moment. They were being honest. And I thought that like, there was something kind of like heart wrenching about her saying, can we just be best friends again? And she just starts to sob and he goes over and hugs her. And it was like a, it was like a nice moment of release of like, I just, I'm sick of fighting with you. I want to be best friends with you again. I just want like our friendship back. And it seems sweet and it seems nice.

46:11Ben Mandelker: And it's like all the more frustrating to know that he's taken all this goodwill and he's going to shit on it. You know, like if he wants to have a relationship with Amanda, he can have a relationship with Amanda, but like, you're not going to give your best friend a heads up. I just think it's just so shitty. Like he's like, but obviously both of them should have linked in Sierra and be like something weird is happening. we're starting to feel something like you know whatever whatever it is she still probably wouldn't have been happy but like link her in but like yet again she's going to be left to look like you know the idiot and it's just it's so not right yeah and it's it's also frustrating i mean i don't

46:50Ronnie Karam: know that i would have forgiven him i think the audience would have been like okay that sounds good to me but to me it's like okay but it took you like a year and a half for you to finally just go regurgitate what the audience is saying basically which is like you you took her to your family's house that makes someone feel a certain you know all this stuff that he just couldn't get and he could never really understand it was acting like a huge victim about it's just taking him all this time to read what the audience reaction is and just to repeat everything that he needed to say to get by you know and she's but she's you know she she falls for it because she does really like him my thing is like do you like him as a friend like what what is this still because i still don't have clarification because they still seem like beyond friends to me at this point so i'm like is this a rekindle or is this a friendship but ultimately you know we just know west is a douchebag so it's like no stop but apparently they had a conversation before this because there were all these rumors you know when all those rumors were coming out online about west and amanda a couple weeks before this there's a room i mean i don't know what's true or what's not but apparently sierra called her amanda and was like is this true and amanda's like no there's nothing going on and then so yeah that that shit just makes it i wish we could basically the episode ends with

48:16Ben Mandelker: tell her yeah the episode basically ends with west saying by the way i knew you weren't gonna make out with jesse and she goes um i'm pissed that you said you didn't care are you kidding me and he's like well what was i gonna do she's like well stop it or save me like that's true and then he sort of like looks off in the distance and like this is exactly what we thought this whole thing

48:38Ronnie Karam: was about anyway i love that he finally it takes him all of this to finally get to the true statement which is i knew you weren't gonna make out with jesse that's literally all you care about Oh my God. It's like that revenge with the girl was the Jesse revenge. You know, it was like getting revenge on her for the Jesse thing. He's just so fucking transparent. He makes me crazy. And it takes him all of this to finally say the one true statement.

49:02Ben Mandelker: And I love the last shot they got of him sort of like squinting his eyes and looking out on the horizon. And we know like, there's bullshit ahead for this man. So anyway, that's where the episode ends. And yeah, we're, we're coming close to the end of the season here. We are heading into the last weekend of or so of summer. So we'll see what, how it unfolds next week. And we still, again, have that Kyle and Carl fight to look forward to, which should be a real, real doozy. So thanks everyone for being here and we will catch you on the next episode of watch what crap ends. Bye everyone. Bye.

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