#3352 Summer House S10E14 Part 1: Freedom Fried

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2:11Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Benoons. How are you?

2:19Ben Mandelker: I'm doing fabulously. How are you doing?

2:22Ronnie Karam: Precious little dumpling. I'm good. Everybody, we do a cabaret. We are going to do a cabaret June 3rd and 5th. Two of the shows are sold out. We added a third on June 5th at 9.30 p.m. in New York City at Cabaret 42. So go get tickets for that. If you can't make it to New York, there are live streaming tickets available at the same link. Just go to watchwhatcrappens.com to find the link. Okay? It's going to be so much fun. A musical is Housewives. What more do you need? Okay? And some summer house people as well. So we're working on our big summer house number at the moment. Right as I speak. Just put down the little tinkles on the piano.

3:02Ronnie Karam: Play the bones. If you want this recap on video, you can get it on Patreon. That's also where you get bonus episodes, our free weekly newsletter, ad-free listening, and Discord server. Lots of fun stuff. So go over there and do that. What were you going to say, Ben?

3:20Ben Mandelker: Well, I was going to say, speaking of Summer House, I was lucky enough to go on to none other than Nick Viles' podcast, The Vile Files. And the episode will be dropping tomorrow, and we talk extensively about Summer House and the scandal. So tune into that. Check out The Vile Files. I'll be on it. and when ronnie you're back in la i'm sure we will both be on it together or separately but either way your your presence was requested and i think it will be a fun time so uh check that out

3:51Ronnie Karam: and fun times fun times well that's good i'm glad you had fun over there nick's little nicholas's place little nicholas pretty nicholas um yeah so there's that also we are going to new york we're going to be i'm going to be there two weeks ben's going to be there like nine days we are looking for a hotel. If there are any hotel people out there, call us, give us a call, message us on Instagram. We're being shameless because New York is ridiculous. And listen, I've never seen a place that's better with faking their, their pictures online than New York. I've been tricked too many times. It's like dating a real housewife.

4:25Ronnie Karam: I'm like, what, who is this even? Who did you put online in the dating profile? Cause that is not the room that I booked. Yeah.

4:31Ben Mandelker: Hotels in New York are in fact, like housewives. They've put the, they definitely have had like a facelift in the lobby but then the rooms are like the neck and you're like whoa you gotta take care of the whole thing so um yeah so hell you know like look if there are hotel people out there just let us know because we need to we need a place that we can podcast and uh also you know pop a squat so yeah

4:55Ronnie Karam: we're being shameless about it i'm playing with my own neck waddle while we're shaming

5:02Ben Mandelker: so yeah we're being shameless about it um we'll be there for a while So, yeah. Hook us up. Hook us up if you're in Midtown.

5:12Ronnie Karam: So here we are. The penultimate episode. Which I thought it was going to be the season finale. I mean, it should have been, right? How long do you think that fight can go?

5:22Ben Mandelker: It can go a long time. It's Carl. 6.0. Is it not the penultimate? I don't know. Because it ended with a to be continued. And so when there's a to be continued, they don't give you a next time on. and if there's no next time on, we don't hear them say next time on the season finale and we don't have a Bravo content calendar so we don't know when the season finales actually are. So it felt like it was leading towards the season finale. It's the final weekend. Nope. But they may be able to squeeze one more episode out of it because it's a long weekend. Yeah, they will.

5:52Ronnie Karam: So it's May 19th is the season finale. May 19th is the finale? I just looked it up on the internet.

5:57Ben Mandelker: Did you see how I vamped just long enough for you to go onto the internet like that? So great. Yeah. Oh, actually, you know what's crazy? This is my life. I just looked at my calendar and it's like, oh, going to New York for a cabaret. Oh, going here for my cousin's wedding. And then I have it written on my calendar. The 19th is the Summer House finale. Why did I put that on my calendar? That's weird. That's so weird. I'm like, guys, let's mark this down. This will be a day. This will be a day to remember. And it's super weird.

6:32Ronnie Karam: well it's an important season you know people are very very great into it very involved in this episode and this episode i mean i mean you know this really moved the needle for me

6:46Ben Mandelker: on the conspiracy theories about west and amanda i have to say the way he pulled up that chair and sat behind amanda in that final scene i was like okay i'm i'm now i really am starting to believe that something was going on at this point like this was this is mr passive it's like he just wouldn't even pick up and move a chair anyway whether or not there was a fight he just wouldn't

7:06Ronnie Karam: pick up a chair okay so here we go summer house season 10 episode 14 the turntables have turned

7:13Ben Mandelker: wiki wiki

7:19Ben Mandelker: so we start off um we're at sunrise day camp so i guess i guess we knew that this episode was about to turn rotten towards the end because they give us something like really wholesome and nice in the beginning um which is jesse west sierra carl and ben showing up at sunrise day camp and this is actually a camp for children and their siblings uh or children who have cancer or cancer survivors um who can go to this camp and just feel normal and feel like like they don't have to worry or don't have to think about things for for for summer they can just have fun which is

7:55Ronnie Karam: really wonderful so what a lovely thing yeah let's tear it apart let's make fun of it rip apart all right let's talk about these kids with cancer look at that counselor

8:12Ronnie Karam: the counselor is welcoming them all and like hey uh you know every single one of these counselors have been campers here before you know they're campers turned staff so just get to know each other and hang out and jesse's like can we talk about cancer i mean you're at a cancer camp yeah and they're like yeah you know they're they're totally excited you can talk about whatever you want but you do have to wear head coverings in solidarity like we all wear head coverings in solidarity and i hope my friends are listening to this that's cute and uh they were like oh we're around ronnie we should wear a hat because he's sad so they uh are basically like yeah this is a place where kids can sort of like escape from you know the scary things in life um like then

8:58Ben Mandelker: why did you bring uh jesse there because if he starts singing i don't know like let's let's keep this like a nice happy bubble he's like hey he's gotta be me they're like mommy he ruined our bubble

9:09Ronnie Karam: there's actually a sweet video going around of him going into a hospital room to sing to a kid with cancer that's actually adorable it was sweet and you know it makes it it's so much cuter because it's like a little kid, you know, and like watching the kid walk away and slam the door

9:24Ben Mandelker: behind him was, I mean, it was like, I asked for Rihanna, not this fake Michael Buble.

9:35Ronnie Karam: So it's, it's pretty cute. They're all doing a good thing. So I have nothing to say about it. In other words. So then after that, we go to Bailey, who is having her it girl party and Levi's there of course because it's a Bailey scene and um Bailey's like oh my god what if people don't come what if nobody comes like what if everybody comes what if it's my first grade birthday party all over again when nobody came I'm so scared but it looks so amazing am I flirting right now am I flirting

10:04Ben Mandelker: why does Bailey give such YA novel like character energy right like I feel like Bailey throws a party and it's like I feel like I'm plucking it out I'm buying it at like the schoolastic you know book fair thing you know in school i don't know why she just reminds me of so like like she should have been written by like what's her name rosemary cleary or ramona quimby

10:27Ronnie Karam: or ramona quimby oh my god that's the character i think actually quimby age eight judy bloom

10:34Ben Mandelker: oh judy bloom yeah that's more judy bloom right bailey isn't it girl it's like well today i got

10:40Ronnie Karam: my period um well today uh well no not today i was gonna anyway i think that bailey seems to be kind of playing a role because she's this like you know i've said this a million times it seems like she's playing somebody on summer house she's like this vixen bombshell i mean the woman is absolutely stunningly gorgeous she's stacked i mean she's in this dress i was like damn i mean i'm a homo okay and i was like today yeah and she looks yeah her eyes kind of half closed and she looks like reading someone's face she looks like this is so stupid like most of the scenes that she does i feel like she's thinking this is so stupid but she's just going along with it i guess probably for her it girl career but you know i don't necessarily buy her i guess is what i'm saying i think she's kind of faking it um and not necessarily with this it girl thing but all of this Carl like oh my god I flirted with Carl how's it gonna work out with Carl you do not you're not gonna get me to believe yeah for two seconds that this is really going through your mind I just don't believe it but I still really like her I'm looking forward to her season two or three where she you know breaks down and has to finally become herself yeah Bailey is an interesting one for me because

11:54Ben Mandelker: for some reason I really enjoy Bailey and Levi I really enjoy their friendship together um I'm I I really adore Bailey. I think Bailey's great. I think Bailey's a great addition to the show. I do too. I just really love her. But what's weird is that I love her but I also feel like she has sort of a strange chemistry with the rest of the cast. I feel like the rest of the cast knows who Bailey is and will talk with her but I feel like she doesn't occupy any space in their minds. Right? I feel like they would just move on. They continue on with their lives as if Bailey wasn't there. And sometimes they intersect with Bailey.

12:36Ben Mandelker: I'm like, oh, hey, Bailey, how's it going? But like, you wouldn't think that these are people who like live on the weekends with Bailey. It feels like they're not like really in her life and she's not really in their lives. They just like talk at the table. And it's like weird because normally that means that there's bad chemistry. It's like, oh, they're not fitting in with the rest of the cast. But I actually feel like she's really good on the show. And it seems like everyone likes her and they like them, but it's just, it's a weird chemistry. and i don't normally in these situations i'm like yeah they're nice but they should go but i'm like no i think she should stay it works but do you know what i'm saying doesn't it feel like

13:11Ronnie Karam: i do like my theory is not impactful my theory is that the cast doesn't like tick tock people like they don't like when they don't like that casting is bringing in social media stars because they don't like dara either they think that they're like everybody and they say this about Dara. They're like, Dara's just using KJ for clout and all of this stuff. And I'm like, well, has Dara done anything really that bad? I mean, I can see how they would be like, okay, she came in, she was flirting with Ben first, then she switched to KJ, then she was kind of lying about the Ben situation. So I can see how there's like a little bit of that there.

13:46Ronnie Karam: But I think a lot of it's that Dara is like a star already on TikTok and Bayley's already a star already on whatever it girl's TikTok probably as well and it seems like the cast kind of others those people you know they did it with lexi last year although lexi was supremely annoying so i don't know i don't know that's just my working theory is that they don't like social media people sort of yeah but it's kind of funny because like this show has kind of been weirdly connected with social media and hannah and page came on

14:19Ben Mandelker: they came on via betches and so did what's the jordan came yeah but that's not like a tiktok star they were like it's not but it's like adjacent right it's still like in that in that space like an online influencer space i think there's just something about being an outsider and i think it's i think it's just a little harder in this on this show right now and i think like um i think we're just in a female transition at the moment i think we went through a male transition where they were the show was trying out different men for a few seasons and then we finally got west and jesse who've been great additions regardless of what you think about them they're like they've been great for the show yeah they've been and and so like you know we're just sort of like at a we're just trying out different women right now lindsay's not really on the show that much sierra's not really on the show so we're just trying out different things but um i mean i think that they're i think valuable um did i say sierra's not really on the show i don't

15:22Ronnie Karam: They are, it is kind of a guy season. It's all about like the guy, the guy stuff and the girls, you know, Sierra takes a minute to warm up. I mean, not that she's been cool to anybody, but she takes a minute to like become besties with people, you know?

15:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah. They may also have that feeling of being like once bitten twice shy because of Lexi of like, okay, let's see what's going on with these new girls. But like, when was the last time they had a really successful launch of a female cast member on Summer House? I think the last one, Sam got like two seasons, I believe. Well, actually, well, Mia. Mia currently is the one who's gelled. That's actually a huge oversight. Mia is, that's why everyone keeps on saying like, oh my God, Mia fits in perfectly with kind of like the vibe of the house. whereas Bailey just sort of feels a little like left of center in a weird way.

16:18Ben Mandelker: And I don't know why it is, but I think she's great.

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19:43Ronnie Karam: your stance i'm just saying i like seems to be off to the side which i think is true and it's like no one's mean to her but she's off to the side i mean i think that's a good point yeah it's fun to

19:52Ben Mandelker: kind of like drill down into like why is she off to the side and i realized that whatever theory i was starting to hatch is completely bullshit and so i don't have to start from ground zero and i'll

20:02Ronnie Karam: square one i'll figure it out guys don't worry so she tells us about it girl she's like i started this two years ago it was so silly but now it's my full-time job and it's changed my life in every way and so it means everything to me and it's like oh my god it's like so insane how far you You come, I can't believe you. I love you so much.

20:24Ben Mandelker: Don't cry. Please, I love you. Okay, don't you dare cry. Okay, the party planner is not allowed to cry. Rule number one of event planners. I brought you a sweet green salad to make up for the bad one you had that time. So people start to arrive. And Bale's like, oh, Lindsay, you look stunning. She's like, ew, thank you. I just threw whatever on. No big deal. She's like, yeah, well, you're enough, so it doesn't matter. You can always look great. Ew, thanks. And so other people show up and Amanda goes up to Lindsay and she's like, oh my God, you like ran off the other night. She's like, yeah, I had to relieve my nanny.

21:00Ben Mandelker: I was also like so rattled. I mean, like, have you ever seen anyone who could rattle you to your core like Sharon? Oh, my God.

21:10Ronnie Karam: Sharon basically bombarded me. It's so funny. and uh we see a flashback to sharon being like can i get a hug lady with the short hair wow so someone's not spending time with their daughter oh what a shocker wow someone's at a bar instead of being at home with their kid how you doing lindsey a little skinny there aren't you

21:33Ben Mandelker: it is funny to think about being bombarded by sharon because like really what happened what lindsey didn't see was like five minutes of sharon going through the crowd being like oh excuse me oh oh i'm just gonna get by oh oh excuse me oh i'm just gonna get by

21:45Ronnie Karam: oh yeah she was trying to stealth her yeah it wasn't a bombardment it was more like a stuff

21:51Ben Mandelker: yeah it was just a funny way to describe sharon um but uh lindsey is like i'm like oh you know like last time i saw her was like my bridal shower and then we see them in happier times although was it really happier times no lindsey saying telling her at the bridal shower

22:09Ronnie Karam: I talked to Carl earlier and he mentioned that you had some concerns about us getting married and Sharon was like Yeah Yeah, yeah, Lindsay

22:21Ben Mandelker: I do have some concerns. Why are you curtsying? Just force of habit Seeing Sharon last night brought up a lot of hurt and that she caused me And you have to keep in mind I was very, very, very, very, very, very close with Sharon for almost a decade and amanda's like yeah you saw her as like a literal mother figure so yeah lindsey is like yeah you know you have ups and downs um but like look at no point are kyle's parents going on national television saying you should break up with like with her i'm like that's because

22:55Ronnie Karam: kyle's parents are drunk right now they've got other things to do yeah but your parents amanda did go on national television and told you not to marry Kyle. And they said they wanted Kyle to sign that document that said he would pay back everything that the wedding cost if he broke it off or if he cheated or something like that. Do you remember that? The dad was like, you need to sign a contract. It is. But that was after Kyle cheated, which is a huge diff as well.

23:26Ben Mandelker: It is really funny because you see Amanda's parents are like gritting their teeth about this relationship. And then every time we see Kyle's parents, they're like doing pyramids on water skis on Lake Winnipesaukee up in New Hampshire. They just seriously, they're listening to Jimmy Buffett. They're doing whatever. And they're fish. They're just doing something else. They just feel like we don't care.

23:50Ronnie Karam: When Kyle said, I want a relationship like my parents, he meant like, I want the miles. Like I want to be like this, this couple traveling all the time, partying being drunk on a ski slope that's what i want and i'm like yeah i ain't skiing

24:04Ben Mandelker: that's when they should have known yeah so um lindsey's saying um like uh she's like well you know what like sharon did that sharon went on tv and said that he should wake up with me and man goes do you think that carl acts like nothing happened listen i gave carl plenty of time to sit down with me and have a one-on-one have decent like respectful conversation with me and he like never has. And Amanda's like, yeah, Carl has a hard time confronting things head on. It's amazing he can open any doors. Aw, hey. Aw, I don't really want to confront this doorknob. Doors are hard. Doors are hard.

24:43Ronnie Karam: Well, we know where he gets a lot of his qualities, and I'm just tired of being treated like I'm always a villain, because they're always a victim, and I can't handle it anymore. And I think she's got a point. but you just got to drop it like what are you going to go get into a war with someone's mom

24:58Ben Mandelker: i mean that's the thing just that's the thing yeah yeah i i i just i'm 100 with you like yes i mean carl we've we've called carl a victim for what 10 years now straight and sharon sharon for sure shows displays elements of that you know and when lindsey says in about a second like you know like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree of course but like also it's like what you know it's his mom. I don't know why. I just feel like what's she supposed to say? Like, fuck you, Carl. Go marry Lindsay. Like, you know, he's like, oh, she's really mean to me. Of course, she can be like, well, dump her, you know?

25:37Ronnie Karam: Well, look, I'm not going to stand up for Sharon. I loved Lindsay giving Sharon attitude. I'm just saying that this following the Sharon thing, I just, just, I would say, just give it up. I don't think this is something to like have a storyline with Carl and being like, we need to have a talk like that's that's over so just to be like you know sharon's just some annoying passive aggressive almost mother-in-law from the past i uh gave her shade deservedly so and now she's dead to me kill her in your mind that's what i do i just kill people in my mind and then when i see them again i'm like like i literally i'm so delusional i really believe my i believe my delusions that i've that people are dead you know and then when i see them in real life i'm like oh my god you're back it's very dramatic it is you guys should see all the star

26:25Ben Mandelker: the starbucks baristas he does that too at the airport when i traveled to ronnie it's like what's wrong ronnie i thought that barista was dead you know i love a barista who would i kill i don't think i would have been mad at a barista you know what so i go to phil's coffee all the time. And there's one barista who refuses to say anything to me or even smile. And I always come in. I'm like, Hey, thank you so much. Thank you. And he looks at me like he wants to destroy me. And I'm like, what have I done wrong? I've literally done nothing wrong. All I've done is pick up a coffee and say, thank you.

27:00Ben Mandelker: And he gives me such evil eyes and I'm determined, determined to make him smile. And I know I can make him do it because there was someone else. There was a frosty person at the fabric store that I go to. And she would, she would always give me this evil look. And I just wore her down to finally, she like smiles and banters with me. I'm going to crack that code.

27:20Ronnie Karam: I crack it all the time. I'm really good with that. You know, you know how I love that. And I'm really good at that actually. But I, um, there was this home goods lady who refused, who was trying to refuse to take something back. Cause I didn't have the receipt. And I was like, but it still has the tag on it. And she's like, was this bought in a credit card? And I said, no, I bought it with this gift certificate thing. And she's like, well, I can't scan the gifts or two. That's not how it works. And I said, well, but I know that you guys, I'm here all the time. Like, I know you can give the, take this back for store credit.

27:50And she's like, well, let me tell you the only thing that I can do,

27:57Ronnie Karam: I can take this back for store credit. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like I, in my mind, in my mind, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me lady? That's what I said five minutes ago. You know, she did it. And then I was like, please don't let me ever have to deal with this lady again. So then I buy the thing that I was buying, the return or whatever. And I come up and I'm like, okay, I have to use this. I mean, it was the whole thing again. It was all over again with this lady. And my mom was there and she's like, why is that lady joking around with you? Because she's like, oh yeah, we couldn't live together.

28:29Ronnie Karam: We're always losing things, me and you. And it suddenly became like we're best friends. And I was so proud because I melted this lady's heart. She hated my guts and I finally got her to my side. And my mom was like, Why the hell are you making friends with every weirdo in town? You don't have any friends here, but this is who you're going to become friends with. Because she didn't like me. Don't you understand? This is a huge deal for me.

28:52Ben Mandelker: Oh, you guys should see Ronnie on an airplane. I feel like I'm always so impressed with that. You're always trying to have conversations. I remember one time I was on a plane. And you were like, so you headed to North Carolina or something. Like going to North Carolina, got a wedding. You were just having a full-on conversation with this lady. It was so funny. I go into dad mode on those things. But to be fair, I have resting bitch face, which was confirmed by Cynthia Bailey. And so I think that's probably why I don't like melt as many people's hearts in public.

29:21Ronnie Karam: You just don't like people. You don't need you don't you don't feel the need. You don't feel that need with people. I feel the need. I'm like, oh, my God, if someone's not smiling at me. Oh, God. For you, it just takes a barista. You're like, wait a minute. I demand respect from this barista. I will get it. Damn it.

29:36Ben Mandelker: Well, the thing is this is that I feel like this barista, I feel like he's like a, he might be like Gen Z and I feel like his thing is like talking to people. It gives me social anxiety. I feel like he actually has like a, he's built a story into why he can't smile or be nice to people. And I want to break him down. I'm like so determined to like make him smile when he sees me walk in. All right.

30:00Ronnie Karam: Well, I wish you luck on your journey. I look forward to updates on this Phil's Coffee Barista. so um now we go to the house and sierra is putting on a lorax costume it's wacky costume sierra time so sierra's putting on this orange leotard thing and a little for no reason we'd like to have no

30:19Ben Mandelker: reason i think it was a costume that she meant to wear earlier in the summer and didn't get a chance to so she just put it on yeah i feel that's why i thought this was going to be the season

30:30Ronnie Karam: finale because she does this and everybody else comes in they're like oh my god final weekend final weekend i was like okay good this is it but it wasn't she's just putting on a costume for fun and she's got a bunch of squirt guns and she leaves them in the middle of the room and it says pick your pick your weapon and then when people come in she sprays them with water and everyone's like oh my god i'm being sprayed with water and then they get a gun and then they spray the people coming in with water and it's like it's wacky i actually was laughing but then the other part of me was like you are soaking this house and these people hate your guts like they hate your people renting out this house i hope they see you guys right um it was a fun time everyone was

31:12Ben Mandelker: laughing everyone had so much joy with it well everyone except for one person which is amanda so they spared amanda because she was wearing a suede jacket they're like no she's wearing suede spare her so they open the door she walks and she's like um like what's going on and she just is like so e or and like that's her humor her humor is to be the one to be like what i really she's like not a yes ander and it's just like you know i know we're all piling on to amanda because this scandal but like even without the scandal it's kind of like i feel like i've put so much energy over the years into trying to be chill about calling Amanda a sad nag, but she just kind of is.

32:05Ben Mandelker: And I try not to say that because it's a stereotype that gets put onto women a lot, especially when women are in relationships with man babies where they're being treated like shit and they get put into this role and then they're called a nag and it's like not fair. It's not fair because a lot of times it's women just trying to deal with their immature man. But ultimately, sometimes people just are that way. And Amanda, Jesus, you can't even have fun in the water gun game. Jeez, come on.

32:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's a little different of a journey for me because I've been calling Amanda a sad sack and a whiner for literal years. And then this is the first season that I was like, you know what? I'm sticking up for Amanda this season. god damn it kyle and then yelled at kyle the whole season then for it to turn around like this i mean what the hell it's like i've given us 10 years of hating on somebody for one second it was the wrong second you know i just wasn't choosing right i just didn't choose right i've always i've always

33:03Ben Mandelker: felt it but i always felt like my feelings were really the product of like a societal kind of a societal thing that tells us that women who aren't who aren't just like the cool girls just don't go go along with their husbands or nags and i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna push against that i'm gonna push against that instinct it's not fair it's not fair to a man that's not fair to women but honestly she is such a drip oh my god oh my god everything is like it's just like oh and like her whole thing is to be super sarcastic and to be like oh it's too much already enough.

33:42Ronnie Karam: Listen, as a great poet of our time once said, Summer is supposed to be fun. Amanda, not fun. And I think it was best said then, you know? So the best part of this shooting people with water thing to me was Lindsay going, You know I was a sharpshooter in high school, right? Yes, Lindsay. We all remember your entire high school career. And Sierra goes, what the fuck is a sharpshooter?

34:15Ben Mandelker: I did forget that Lindsay was in ROTC. It's such a funny thing.

34:23Ronnie Karam: Foxy, ROTC, heart bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. So Lindsay's like, do you remember when I was in ROTC? No, Lindsay. No one knew you then. So all the other people come up. Yeah, Amanda goes winding into another room. She's like, this whole house is wet.

34:48Ben Mandelker: It's always wet. What part of all these people walking around with their bathing suits and spilling beer everywhere says it's not wet? This is a dirty ass house. The water guns are actually doing a service, actually washing away some stuff for once.

35:01Ronnie Karam: So

35:01Ben Mandelker: they all eventually sort of get in. They really soak Kyle big time because at that point, there are so many water guns going at once that like he's basically just like dripping and they all get in it's funny and there's hugs the lorax costume is still not explained and then carl has an announcement which is hey hey gang i have a quick announcement now that we're all here in the mix oh today is national beach day which means i'm gonna go for a run for six hours hall marathon training bye

35:33Ronnie Karam: Guess where we're going We're going to the number one beach In the United States of America Well I thought you were going to say It's our two year anniversary Carl It's your two year anniversary Of our breakup Everyone cheers Yeah two years of freedom Let freedom ring

35:52Ben Mandelker: I like to think of it as the Ten year anniversary of Reporter Christina Gibson Walking out the summer house with an oversized Magnum of rosé

36:02Ronnie Karam: which happened on their final weekend i like to think of it as being um two weeks late for the season of put your weight on me put your weight on me

36:17Ben Mandelker: lindsay dale hubbard will you marry me three years anniversary of that

36:22Ronnie Karam: so well i have an announcement too i'm hosting a dinner tonight they're like oh my god freedom Freedom dinner. Freedom number two. She goes, yes, second annual freedom dinner. Well, great. Okay, we have 40 minutes until we leave for the beach. Okay, everybody. So Kyle and Amanda are in their room, and she's like, Kyle, are you showering? Because I have to shower. So I go to shave and shower. Hello? Can you hear me? I don't know when Amanda just ignores Kyle. It makes me laugh every time. He's like, all right, here's what I was going to do. I was going to take a shower, and then I thought maybe we could, you know walk hand in hand down the beach hello man can you hear me

37:02Ben Mandelker: somewhere out there amanda here is my questions so jesse is like hey are you sleeping with sierra mia because they've got a full house everyone is there even levi is there this weekend uh you wouldn't know it because they don't even show her but she pops she somehow manages to sneak into frame later on but she is there um and so uh yeah it's a sack of potatoes

37:28Ronnie Karam: Levi those are those are baby potatoes they're crying for some reason so Jesse KJ Ben and Wes

37:38Ben Mandelker: are like and Kyle they're all shaving they're making mustaches boy summer boy summer yeah boy summer boy summer yeah blah blah blah they're all getting excited and Levi speaking of which Is like the boys are too hyped I'm telling you this right now Yeah the boys are like way too hyped on each other Yeah they're too hyped Yeah it's disgusting It is This summer

38:03Ronnie Karam: Completely changed my life Just the bond of community Was much needed for me Like I've never been one of the boys And this summer I was myself For the first time ever and it feels like it's ending too soon oh kj did you see kj on watch what happens live last night

38:26Ben Mandelker: and the thing that happened yes you talk about it okay i'm gonna talk about it which is that west texted kj right after the reunion and kj left it on unread which i guess is just having it unread and um he basically is like i've got like i've read like every text message except for that one's the one that it hasn't and he's like well why don't you read it he's like um okay and then so kj eventually reads it and it's like a nicely nicely phrased nicely worded kind of canned response of like um kj i know this is like it was like really dark with the uh first of all you were really articulate so that was really good i appreciate your articulation i'm like ready to go

39:11Ronnie Karam: west right out the gate right a little nice microaggression to open heather thompson's

39:17Ben Mandelker: writing it for him um so then uh he basically is saying no it's like i know it's like a time for healing and like take your time but like whatever i've been off social media so i didn't realize how bad the hurt was that was out there and like i'm really all it was just like whatever and poor kj he was like about to cry and at one point andy's like how you doing over there kj he's like I think I'm about to cry Okay, cool Well, if you're gonna cry What size boobs would you like to cry on? A double D or a double C?

39:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he looked really upset by it But I mean, KJ gets upset by a lot of things KJ's very sensitive He's too sensitive for this world I don't mean the earth I mean Summer House He's so cute He's gonna have 10 breakdowns by the end He's the new Carl of this show I'm calling it right now Everybody's already online like poor kj oh my god poor kj i'm like because he read a text you guys calm down kj did not get you i don't everyone's going too crazy with this like poor kj thing this is an adult he's a sweet guy he hasn't done anything wrong i'm not being a hater but the audience is really infantilizing kj and i'm not really understanding what's happening because this clip you know he's he's on there with well i mean he's like he's not a child you know it's just weird he's nearing 30 and everyone's like oh my god poor kj they made him read a text and meadow soprano was so insensitive i watched the clip because i wanted to see meadow soprano being mean because everybody's like that me no she wasn't mean she just said that's really not i think that's really nice that text and he's like yeah and it really bums me out because we were so close and he gets upset um and the thing is like meadow soprano she has no heart wow i didn't realize that people were mad at jamie lindsigler uh in the insta clip i was watching i i think the reason why we all are rooting for kj

41:13Ben Mandelker: is because i think oh god i may eat these words because it's bravo but as far as we can tell at least so far kj does seem to be like a really like authentic person like in terms of that like he is what west is trying to portray himself as is like someone who's kind of like emotionally in tune and i think he is what carl is sort of trying to be but i think that kj really is just like a he's like a sweet emotional man and like it doesn't feel like he's being sweet and emotional to um portray an image of something like like project an image like west does at the very least i don't know like carl it's weird carl does seem like he is carl doesn't it's carl just seems more

41:57Ronnie Karam: like rickety like he's gonna fall apart at a moment but like rickety but carl is a bit rickety

42:04Ben Mandelker: i mean honestly whereas kj is he's sensitive in a way that i think west is trying to be and try to pretend to be and try to give off but i think west is as much as we know a fuck boy douchebag insincere guy as as the rest of them you know yeah i think kj is a sweet guy like i

42:24Ronnie Karam: like him i think he's good on the show and everything i just think the audience's reaction to kj is a little disconcerting it's just a little much to me i don't understand what i don't understand why everybody's so upset for kj like i haven't maybe there's something i haven't seen too you know and so i have to leave room for that but um because he's good looking also let's

42:43Ben Mandelker: not honestly what he is if he wasn't if he wasn't if he wasn't hot i think we'd all be like oh that's nice but you should get over it but because he's hot we're like it's a hot guy who's feeling things Yeah.

42:54Ronnie Karam: Well, it's not that they like him. It's that they're always like, oh my God, poor KJ. Everything I read about KJ involving this scandal is like, oh my God, poor KJ is just so upset about this. I don't know. I don't feel bad for KJ. I like him, but the audience is really like, oh my God, it's our new baby. It's our new little baby. We need to hold KJ. Hold him close.

43:18Ben Mandelker: I can't wait for Sally Fields movie to come out Not without my KJ Just a story about her smuggling KJ out of the Middle East I kind of like this I kind of like us all hugging KJ I think he's so sweet and cute And I I just am happy to see Some shred of loveliness In this dark Bravo world

43:42Ronnie Karam: I'm just holding my reservations Because from the very beginning with his whole, I'm going to just date because I'm a lover boy, you know, that whole thing, which turns out was true, right? So I had to eat my words on that because then he, you know, and he's still with Dara and they seem like they're very much in love. So it didn't seem like he was saying that just to be a fuck boy. So I had to eat my words on that. But I just see like everything he says seems to be code words to the audience. Like when he comes on and he's like, you know i have anxiety or i have this it's like those are like code words that gets i feel like a lot of the audience will be like oh my god kj so it's just so i don't know what it is i'm not saying he's manipulative i'm just saying i'm wondering why everybody is infantilizing kj i

44:31Ben Mandelker: just don't you also don't like victims and i feel like what this is hitting on is i kind of feel like it's probably hitting on like the signals the things that you normally hear when when like when you feel like someone's playing the victim. And so I imagine, and I think that probably, cause we've heard people, we've heard guys get out of sticky situations on Bravo all the time by using a lot of the language that KJ uses, you know, like I've got anxiety or I'm going through things or I'm close to my mom or like women. And it's like, and it's like, so when a guy is like being emotional and being in his emotions and he's saying these things, I think it's probably hitting some of these, these triggers, dare I say it,

45:11Ronnie Karam: that um that you may have i'm triggered i think you're right yeah because when i that makes a lot of sense to me because when i do hear guys say stuff like this it's usually in response to them doing something wrong like using it as an excuse i think he really hit the nail on the head with that one so maybe i'm hearing these things so i'm like okay if i'm hearing these things from a man he must have done something wrong so what did you do wrong so now i'm mad at him even though he hasn't done anything wrong you know what i mean but he's said he said by saying these things something that makes me think he has done something wrong.

45:43Ronnie Karam: So I'm mad at him even though he hasn't done anything. Wow, that was a good session. Alright, everybody. Thank you. This has been my therapy for the week.

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47:02Ben Mandelker: Now be a man and stop crying on Watch What Happens Live.

47:06Ronnie Karam: That's not it. It's not even be a man. It's just, I just, like, he's okay, you guys. He's okay. He's a 28-year-old man. He's doing fine. We can all rest assured that KJ is okay. Okay, so then Sierra is talking about how they have a full house. And Wes is like, we sure do. Well, it's really good to see Amanda back. She's in good spirits this week. What made you think she's in good spirits? She walks through the house whining in suede and walked up the stairs whining in suede.

47:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah, there's nothing about Amanda's arrival said this is someone in good spirits. This is someone who's covered in water, maybe. I know she wasn't even covered in water. She didn't even have that. You can't even. Tom Clicko comes in. You can't even say that. It's about cooking the basics. You know what? Two of you made rice. Two of you made rice. Two of you made rice. We asked for a meat dish and not a rice dish. And guess what you did? You gave us Amanda.

48:02Ronnie Karam: Tom Click is just in the summer house. I would love that. He gave us the whitest rice possible, Amanda Rice, and that's unacceptable. I'm sorry.

48:11Ben Mandelker: It's just at this level of the competition, we just can't have Amanda in it anymore. Just gotta go. Amanda, please pack your nagging and go.

48:25Ronnie Karam: Sierra's like, well, I will say I did meet up with Sierra this week and I was like, how's your weekend? And, you know, she stayed back. So she was like, I just needed to breathe. And I was like, do you feel anxious when he's home? And she was like, yeah. And I was like, well, like, what if you take a month apart? You know, like get an apartment for a month, you know, then you'll both have your space. You guys can date each other. And Lindsay's like, date? Like, I don't think it sounds like they even currently date. So why would they date if they don't even live in the same house?

48:57Ben Mandelker: Mia's like, you never know. because like them having that space and time apart, they could fall back in love with each other. I'm like, I think the word that you're messed up on is back. Fall back in love. That implies that they fell in love in the first place. They were fuck buddies that just got used to being around each other. And Wes is the one who's against it.

49:17Ronnie Karam: He's like, I think that they'd miss each other though, don't you think? She'd definitely not leave her husband. So immediately you want to get a commitment out of anybody she's banging. so she definitely should stay with her husband.

49:30Ben Mandelker: I will say I don't agree. I don't disagree with that advice or idea, but if I heard another couple that were married and the wife got an apartment for a month just to get space for her husband, I'd be like, wow, that's not going so well. It feels like a last-ditch effort to move, and by last-ditch effort, it's over.

49:49Ronnie Karam: It is a last-ditch effort. That's the point, Lindsay. And she says, you know, I feel like Amanda deserves more than she's getting, but she loves Kyle and she's known Kyle longer than anyone in the house, including Carl. And, you know, as much as he's in the wrong, he also has feelings and she can't help, but go full blown mama bear mode. She's like, and I just think like, Oh, what can I do to help? What can I do now? I probably lecturing him at dinner and telling him off about how shitty a husband he is. That's going to do it.

50:22Ben Mandelker: I love that. Lindsay's version of going mama bear is actually turn on her own cub. destroy it

50:29Ronnie Karam: flay it flay it in front of everybody

50:32Ben Mandelker: you're supposed to go you're supposed to protect your cub protect your cub well she has mommy issues so it makes sense guess what number one bitch cooper's bitch cooper's bitch we're here everyone if anyone needs to apologize apology dude is right over there welcome back to the bitch oh my god wow wow that's an arm burner carrying all this stuff whoa we made it guys they all set up and um amanda's like can you move your toe a little bit

51:02Ronnie Karam: kyle she's he's like but i was here first in this patch of sand to go sit on your foot and then be like um your foot's in my way you came to sit on my foot you move move your butt how about that how

51:18Ben Mandelker: your your butt's in the way of my foot don't sit don't sit on my foot so sorry i'm gonna get this freaking cabaret i've just got really in the mind all the time selling every single thing

51:31Ronnie Karam: yeah so wes carl and jesse are playing beach volleyball and carl's like oh look at kj right now look at him he's just relaxed on a beach chair it's hilarious kj loves to sleep in this house kj actually loves to know this and this is one thing i really love about kj kj will just sleep anywhere and that's my kind of guy that's how i am yeah i'm like we are on a weekend this is what we should

51:53Ben Mandelker: be doing we should be in bed yeah he has big nap energy he really he's like everywhere but you know he's because he's shredded so he's probably working out all the time so he's probably exhausted right so uh yeah he's like asleep and west's like kj like doesn't even know where he is like it's crazy. And by the way, somewhere in the middle here, they're playing volleyball and Carl just spikes the ball like, what was it, on top of like Dara's face or something like that? He's like, oh, they're like, Carl, can you like relax? Sorry. Sorry, I just had a little bit of rage on the inside. It's okay.

52:27Ben Mandelker: It's okay.

52:29Ronnie Karam: So yeah, they're playing volleyball and Carl's like, oh, yeah, like is it like weird? Like sing Sierra? Wes says, no, no, dude, not at all. He's like, yeah, I mean, I can relate to that a little bit. And we see Lindsay walking to the water. And she's going to take a little bit. Who were they talking about?

52:48Ben Mandelker: They were actually talking. He was asking West if it was weird seeing Dara with KJ because West and Dara had a past.

52:54Ronnie Karam: Oh, I see.

52:55Ben Mandelker: I see. Probably forgot about because it's barely been mentioned. So then.

52:59Ronnie Karam: West has had a past with like everybody. I think the next Summer House coming out, the Ozark ones, that's the Ozark one that is based on all of West's friends. I think all the, like, nine out of ten of the women he's had relationships with before. It's like all of West's exes or something.

53:18Ben Mandelker: But he, like, doesn't, like, know what to do because he's, like, he's, like, a scared of commitment. And that's, like, my thing to work on. And, like, I'm going to. But it's just, like, it sucks because, like, I just, like, have a lot of things that I feel all the time. and i just don't want people to i don't want to hurt people but i hurt people and it's just like

53:40Ronnie Karam: a lot yeah so um carl's like oh we're celebrating two years of freedom today boys i have nothing to worry about except really pretty big lease alone but you know life is good yeah you're free bro you're free yeah and you got a you got a new best friend um and uh wes is like kj kj's my new best friend he's like yeah love is good so west is saying you know like i think with sierra and i like we're good and everything but like you know now everyone else is like what the fuck like what's going on i'm like i get it like clearly you know like i obviously don't want to speak for her but like i think we're just like comfortable being friends and like let's have fun and just like

54:26Ben Mandelker: get to the fall you know what i mean like oh and then when he says by the way did you notice this when he says let's just get to the fall they put this like bell chime on the soundtrack it was like for whom the bell tolls it was like an ominous like bong it was like the death it was like a bell that sounded like the death of something and I was like post production I heard that because that was a little easter egg to be like like watch out when we get to the falls when the shit happens when everything falls apart you know and I love that little detail but also what's up with this like backpedaling suddenly from West who spent the whole season being like I have a crush on her I think I'm still in love with her putting his hand on her and now all of a sudden like whoa let's just be friends okay guys let's just be friends well it's typical

55:14Ronnie Karam: because it's what West does he says one thing to us which is we're just friends I don't understand why everybody's blah blah blah and then in real life he's like let's hug for 10 minutes I'm crushing on sierra people who will tell sierra just telling people who are going to tell sierra i have a crush on sierra hope you don't tell her and then act to us like what i've said the whole time i just want to be friends i mean it's typical he's doing the same thing as always but i did notice when he said let's just have fun and get to the fall like he gives this look like just get me through this like i've saved my reputation with the audience so just let's get through this final weekend so I can go back to having a life and using my Bravo Aspass in every bar that I go to.

55:55Ronnie Karam: Please.

55:57Ben Mandelker: 100%. Or as Paige DeSorbo would say 1000%. So they're playing Spikeball now. They love this game where they put that little trampoline thing on the sand and they throw a ball at it. And Lindsay and Wes are Lindsay's putting lotion on Wes's back. She's like, I haven't really touched a man's back in a while. I was like, oh, I'm sad that it has to be Wes. Wes that you break the streak with.

56:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Jesse is talking to Ben about how it's been such a good summer and how's it going with the mythos? He's like, oh, it's the best. It's the best. And then we see all these videos where Ben and Sabrina are videotaping themselves, making out every videotaping. They're filming themselves making out. Why do they do that? You called that out a long time ago. And I thought, well, it's not that abnormal. all no but it's like every video it's super weird like did you guys get a selfie stick just to tape

56:52Ben Mandelker: yourselves like making out what the fuck yeah it's so performative it's also like the implication that we all care about this that the implication that like oh everyone wants to see our love that we're inspiring people maybe whatever the reason is it's just it's it's it's weird it doesn't make any sense it's stupid stop doing it you know i remember there's this one guy who i used to follow on Instagram and like his friend was on a TV show. And I just remember he posted something of himself watching the TV and he was just like snacking and eating potato chips, just like watching it. Like, wow. And you could hear this TV show going and he's just like watching along.

57:29Ben Mandelker: And then like the caption was something like, like congrats to so-and-so on like, like, wow, you booked it. You really did it. You did your thing. I'm like, why are you showing, why are you showing us you watching the show? Why don't you turn the camera around and show the TV show, show your friend who's allegedly killing it on screen. And it's just like that weird self-involved thing that people do with social media where they just assume that like every single thing that they do is interesting. I mean, obviously so much of social media is about selfies and it's about like, here I am, I'm doing something.

58:03Ben Mandelker: We all post stuff. Like, that's okay. But like, there's certain things that it's like where you went out of your way to set up your camera to showcase this thing that like, not people don't inherently care about this they don't inherently care to see you making out with

58:17Ronnie Karam: your girlfriend yeah yeah it's it's super it's super weird this this taping yourself making out it's second to taping yourself crying like i can't that's that's yeah for me i just hate yeah so much

58:30Ben Mandelker: why please don't please stop doing that people unless you're laughing at yourself while you're crying like i can't believe i'm crying right now i just saw a crocodile you know like that's that's one thing.

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