#3356 RHOBH S15E21 Part One: Fox Forceless Dive

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2:11Ronnie Karam: well hello everybody and welcome to watch what croppens i'm ronnie that's ben over there hello ben hi ronnie how's it going good thank you for this video you sent me just got a text and it was from you it's a little family of pigs running through a field yep yep just some good wholesome entertainment you know the way to warm my heart little pigs saw it following each other in a

2:36Ben Mandelker: field yes that is for me a little family of pigs may be so happy thank you yeah well everybody

2:44Ronnie Karam: welcome to the show i've got bad news for everybody it's the final day of real housewives of beverly hills guys how are you going to make it the rest of the year without listening to Dorit and Kyle and Erica bitch about being late. How are we going to do it guys? Yeah. How you feel?

3:02Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, this is it. This is the last chance to complain about Dorit being late and next season she'll be on time all the time. And I'm looking forward to that and on time Dorit, right? Yeah. Well,

3:13Ronnie Karam: we're doing a cabaret in New York city. There's only about four tables left. So you need to go get them if you want to come to it. Okay. That is on, well, we're doing three, but the one with tickets available is on June 5th at 9.30 p.m., New York City, Cabaret 42. There are also two other shows. There's one at 7 p.m. that night. There's one on June 3rd at 7. Those are sold out, but there will be streaming tickets available for all three of the shows. So if you'd like to watch one or all three, go get streaming tickets. You can find links for that on our website or on our Instagram link in bio.

3:46Ronnie Karam: Okay. We look forward to seeing you guys there. We're having so much fun getting it all together. and um also if you want this recap on video or you want bonus episodes or you want ad-free listening and all of that good stuff go over to patreon.com slash watch what crap is okay okay today is part three of the real housewives of beverly hills season 15 reunion

4:10Ben Mandelker: Yo, no, no. Here it is. Well, we pick up where exactly where we left off, which is Dorit and Erica and Kyle squabbling, specifically Dorit and Erica at this moment. And Dorit is, she's really on one. She's on one in a way that we've really never seen her at a reunion. I mean, she'll usually, she'll be feisty at a reunion, but she was really at a, she was going for it the entire time. She was just being so sarcastic the entire time. I was like, do I really look like I'm someone who cares what you think about right now? That was like her vibe the entire time. Her eyes popping out of her head.

4:49Ronnie Karam: Tucking on that little candy. Those eyes were a popping. Yeah, they gave her first chair, and she's really running with that. She's like, I am first chair, Coyle. First chair. And everybody better listen to what I see. She's really into it. By the way, it's really early, which is why my voice will not work. but uh she uh she's really going for it with that first chair i don't know erica is really kind of going for it for erica erica even tried to pretend she had feelings today which was so fucking funny i love when erica pretends that she's not a robot and today she she just completely blanked out in her face and i thought is erica having a stroke and then she was like very upset she was trying to cry it was so good that was the best part of the reunion for me was erica trying to feel things i I was like, Erica, you don't need to pretend around us, okay?

5:40Ronnie Karam: I don't even know what I would do with a feeling Erica. I like robot Erica. And like when she cries, she's like one of those little baby dolls that you put water in so that they pee-pee. You know, they go pee-pee Betsy Wetsy or whatever they're called. She's like that, but like for tears, you know, and she always gets lots of, you know, eyeliner on her eyes to make sure we think that she's really got real tears coming out. It was very, very dramatic, very good. So I loved it. Thanks for the effort, E.

6:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah, thanks for the great effort. um so dorit and erica are talking about they're they're going back and forth about italy and it's like erica what were you hurt by just well something you said at the table you said why are you trying to save yourself you're doing this to save yourself and oh so she said you're coming after me to save your job yes and your job on this show yes not your job doing something Andy, she has no other job.

6:33Ronnie Karam: What's her other job, Andy? It's my job at the Dollar Tree, Andy. That's what I'm worried about. So, that's what hurts you. That's what hurts you, eh? Well, the most, you could call me a cup fitness all day. That doesn't really work out of everything else. You know, that was the one thing that turned me completely out. Because? Because it's not true. And it's hurtful. And that touches such a tender point in all of us when you're trying to be open and vulnerable. when you're trying to tell your story. But yeah, it's something, I didn't like it. It didn't sit well with me then. It doesn't sit well with me now.

7:09Ronnie Karam: I like when they showed a clip of Erica saying the same thing to people. Like, yeah, she's trying to save her job.

7:16Ben Mandelker: Right. You know, she's like, I like that Erica's saying how when you're trying to be open and vulnerable and trying to tell your story, what story was Erica telling this season?

7:26Ronnie Karam: Well, she told the TV thing, which was super a super sad story so i don't want to take away from that but i will say that when she uh mentioned that last week she was like how dare you accuse me of not having a storyline i did my dv thing like it was a number at a yeah like hey i did my dv i pulled out my old dv number

7:45Ben Mandelker: how dare you my dv thing no i guess i meant more like what i was thinking about sort of general storylines from the season she had a moment where she shared that for sure but like she didn't like what was her general storylines that she was dating a guy that we never saw and it was just like, well, actually, I'm sorry. We saw him on FaceTime at the very last party of the season, but she had no main storyline. And by the way, for the record, I'm okay with that. I think we can normalize people just not having major storylines for a season. Not every single person needs to have a storyline because then you get stuck watching stupid scenes of people gardening or whatever.

8:24Ronnie Karam: but listen that's how i live my life i don't need a storyline and i never have one you know i feel like we should be free to live like that in real life too you know what's your storyline nothing i don't do anything here's my storyline yesterday i had a whole bag of choco reasons okay and now my stomach really hurts that's my storyline run with it if you can't make it entertaining then that's editing's fault it's a good storyline i have to say thank you i thought so too. It was like a real big deal because the whole day I was like, oh, I really want chocolate reasons. And I was like, you can't have those because you're going to eat the whole bag.

8:58Ronnie Karam: And that's not even just a candy bar. That's like four candy bars. You can't do it. But then I found an excuse to run an errand. And then the errand was right by the grocery store. And then I went to the grocery store and then I patted myself on the head because I actually went to a grocery store and walked in and the candy aisles all the way in the back. So I had to walk all the way back and, you know, like I had to put on deodorant and stuff. So I looked cute. And then I left and ate the Choco Reasons. I mean, it was like a whole thing for me. So I think it was a good storyline.

9:28Ben Mandelker: Why did the Chocolate Reasons people, why did they never hire Pink to be their spokesperson? Just give me a reason, just a little bit. I mean, it's right there.

9:42Ronnie Karam: Ronnie, what is the reason you are late today? Choco Reasons? That's Reasons. Chalk of reasons. Anyway, you don't need a storyline. But yeah, this is very Erica to not do anything all year until the last two episodes where she's like, oh, shit, I haven't done anything. And then she screams and yells and cries and has some fit about nothing. Like it never makes any sense why she's even upset. And then, look, she's the whole reunion. She's had the whole reunion. So she's gotten pretty smart at how to play this game. Do nothing until the very end. Then have a fit. Then become the main part of the reunion.

10:18Ronnie Karam: So, you know, well done, I say.

10:22Ben Mandelker: So, Jareed's like, Erika, you have to understand. From my point of view, I don't understand. I let you speak. Okay, first off, don't. Don't what? Don't. Don't. Don't talk to me that way. Not too much way. Not way. What are you saying? Don't talk to me that way.

10:41Ronnie Karam: Don't talk to me that way. Let me finish how I feel. She's like, okay, finish then, finish This is exactly why I'm in the position I'm in And how I feel Okay, that's it I really didn't have anything to say

10:56Ben Mandelker: That was all that was It was just one last little sentence That's it Okay

11:03Ronnie Karam: Well, you unleashed on me, Erica Yes, I did Well, what was it that made you explode like that? Chuckle reasons Okay And I'll tell you when I fucking lost it Because you said Bulls have supported me more than anybody in this group. Oh, God, again? You guys... Okay, listen. No more three-hour reunions unless you guys earn it. There needs to be some kind of litmus test. You guys did not earn three hours. We've already talked about this ten times.

11:31Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I actually disagree on that. I thought this was a really good reunion. I was totally into it. I love this episode. I love the back and forth. I was on board, to be honest.

11:42Ronnie Karam: All right, well, good for you. Then I'll change my opinion to support your love. You guys, this should be a four-part reunion. Five more. I want to hear about Dorit thinking Bo supported her more again. Do it again.

11:54Ben Mandelker: The family of pigs that watches reunions together stays together in the meadow.

12:00Ronnie Karam: Let's be here till July. You know what? Have eight more reunions. Okay? Let's do this until fall.

12:06Ben Mandelker: I really did enjoy this. I thought it was great. well because i think watching the three of them implode was like fascinating and i do feel like they were kind of well well i think that dorit and and erica were were really like saying stuff that was getting stuff off their chest kyle was just doing that but guys like what about me and people feel the same way i feel too right right right right so kyle was being silly but um yeah i enjoyed it i enjoyed because these three are normally so protective and you know they normally keep everything off camera and it all just tumbled out in the reunion in a way that I appreciated.

12:40Ben Mandelker: But I too, when it started, I was like, how are they going to get three episodes out of this season? There's like nothing going on this season. But they did it.

12:46Ronnie Karam: They, in my mind. They sure did. Yeah, they sure did. So, um, Dorit's like, you know what? If you had said that to me, I would have said Irga! You know what? I have a feeling. I remember you said the same thing to Coyle and I at Anne Marie's house and we see a flashback to 2023 with erica whining with erica saying she's been through something very tough and no one in the group was there for her and so dorit's like i was hurt and she's like yes very hurt by that right so then you understand where i'm at yes but the point is you're a hypocrite do you understand the grudges the grudges these women hold i mean when the fact

13:28Ben Mandelker: that Dorit was like, yeah, but you said that at Anne-Marie's house. I'm like, we're going to Anne-Marie's house? Oh my God. I did not remember this moment at all. Of course, they lived through it. They experienced it. But the way she quickly was like, yeah, well, yeah, you might be mad at me for saying that, but you said the same thing two years ago in this random scene at Anne-Marie's. I was like, what? How did you pull that out of your ass? I mean, obviously everyone does their research going into the reunions and like they're ready to counter but like i really am impressed with how quickly they can like they can reach into their vault of grievances and pull something out

14:09Ronnie Karam: emory well emory's husband by the way is a doctor so we remember things about emory she's a full-fledged surgeon and a doctor so what about her husband what'd he do

14:18Ben Mandelker: oh more more counts against him it's not good what do you mean more counts this is better than the reunion what happened no it's not better than the reunion it's it's bad it's just like more of the same counts that he had against him the first time around it's not good he's i mean and why won't you say it no i'm just like saying because i you know it's like sexual assault so it's like it's like not like fun it's not like fun in the funny recap just saying like no that's

14:51Ronnie Karam: not fun for sure um yeah two days ago uh marcellus facing rape allegations by four more women holy shit yeah wow it's it's bad well fuck that guy still yeah seriously so um that's crazy i hadn't heard of that you need to really i need to make sure that my ann marie wiley google alert is is still functioning because wow how'd I miss that

15:18Ben Mandelker: so so anyway Andy's like okay well now that she's told you those two things what you said is wow I understand why you'd be upset so is there anything you want to say in response to those two things do you want to apologize and he goes I'll say it again apologize for what Andy and he's like oh Oh my God. And by the way, I didn't say that in the flat, in the flashback, you do see that to read did not say I've received more support from Bose this year than anyone else. She just says, I've received more support from Bose than anyone else in this group. And so, yeah, so I can see why she was really like, I don't know.

16:03Ben Mandelker: I still see why Erica was like, what the fuck you fucking bitch.

16:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't because Erica wasn't even barely talking to three and Erica didn't even tell Dorit she had a boyfriend. Dorit had to find that out, and she only told Kyle and stuff. So I think Dorit had a lot of signs that these girls weren't her friends anymore anyway. And she's saying, Boz has supported me more. Boz has supported her more. Erica acting like she's so supportive. Where? When? Mm-hmm.

16:30Ben Mandelker: He's like, well, you guys should talk about it then. So Dorit goes, wait a second. What should I apologize? For the things that I said? He's like, well, she's saying that it made her flip when you said that i know well when you when she when you said that she was doing that for her job so you want to apologize for that andy andy i did it's like oh you did

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19:15Ronnie Karam: Well, I did, Auntie. When she said that, I said, Erica, had you told me? I said I would have understood that. I said, I'm sorry. I would have understood had you told me. I don't think she did say that. She did say that, but that's okay.

19:28Ben Mandelker: She did not say that at all. She literally did not apologize. Both of those things I would have understood. And I'm sorry that I made you feel that way. I did not understand how you were one person up until the night before. And then at three in the morning and not even 12 hours later, there was a completely different person that was right there. I'm like, that's because in the 12 hours since the night before, you guys went to a ghost town and had a fight and you drove off and she got pissed at you. And so she came to the dinner, pissed at you. That's why she was pissed at you 12 hours later. Yeah.

20:03Ben Mandelker: I don't know why Dorit doesn't understand these things.

20:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah. 12 hours later was when you left her in the godforsaken, you know, walking dead town in Italy or whatever. I know.

20:12Ben Mandelker: Seriously.

20:13Ronnie Karam: But I think this whole fight just happened because Erica was coming in on Kyle's fight. If Erica had had a separate talk with Dorit and just been like, Dorit, this being late is so fucking rude. Like, come on. But she didn't. And so Kyle is going at Dorit for a million things. And being like, well, Erica feels this way too. Erica didn't feel that way. The only thing Erica cared about was the being late thing. And that's the only thing she keeps repeating over and over. She doesn't care about all of this other stuff. And so when Dorit was getting frustrated at Kyle and then Erica kept piping in, it's like Erica's coming in to pipe in on Kyle's fight.

20:45Ronnie Karam: And Dorit's like, shut up. Stop fighting for Kyle. And I think that was completely valid for Dorit to be like, stop fighting Kyle's battles. Everyone's always fighting Kyle's battles. Just stop. So, I don't know. I feel like Erica did that to herself. I'm still team Dorit on that. Even though Dorit is supremely obnoxious as a human being and in this reunion, I'm still team Dorit.

21:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think Dorit is very obnoxious in this reunion. Also very funny. And it's like really fun to see her just like being so relentless towards Erica and Kyle. And I do think that Dorit is, well, I don't have to repeat it for like the fifth week in a row, but I will one last time until the next time. I'm definitely team Dorit versus team Kyle, but I'm a little bit more team Erica and Erica versus Dorit, weirdly enough.

21:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm not. And I wish that Dorit had just said, you know what? I did say that you need to do this for a storyline because you literally had nothing going on all year. sorry sorry that you feel that you did but you had nothing going on all year and then you're yelling at me for kyle and now now look at you now you have like a a main part of the reunion so it worked but fuck off for it for using me for it you could have yelled at amanda you could have yelled at natalie that girl who's not even here yell at kathy why doesn't anybody yell at kathy yell at her

22:03Ben Mandelker: so um so dorita's now insisting that she did say sorry which she did not say we saw her she did not say sorry we did not say but now she's saying that she did say sorry and she's like she's so she's like saying how yeah like erica showed up to that dinner 12 hours later a totally different person erica's like no this has been bubbling and building well there is no sign of it well that's because you were late for the side we put one up and then waited a long time for you so we took it

22:33Ronnie Karam: down again then you showed up and kyle's like you called her a cut fitness over and over again And relentlessly, you were relentless with calling her a cut fitness. Oh, please. Dorita is really overusing that because the audience likes it when she says it. So now she's saying it every two seconds. Yeah. It's kind of funny. It's like, I didn't, Coyle. And she just said, you can call me a cut fitness 70 times and it doesn't bother me. So dear, Coyle, shut up, you dumb cut fitness.

23:03Ben Mandelker: Do you see, like, when she can say that? Like she's supposed to do you see when she can say that she supported for 10 years? You say, oh, only if you had said that It's like Kyle, you just came in and you're saying something just like, um, it's completely different reaction to me than to her Okay, that's not fair. Like Kyle's going back to her main thrust, which is it's not fair. It's not fair It's not fair, which has actually little to do with Dorit's well-being It's more about like why are you being mean to me and not mean to her? It's not fair. It's not fair

23:32Ronnie Karam: It is. It's like, why are you forgiving Eric all of a sudden? And now you're still mad at me. What the hell? This isn't fair. And so now, the moment we've all been waiting for, a Sutton section. Guys, name changes are really hard, especially when you get a letter from the Pope about it. Sutton, talk about it. Yeah. Talk about it for 10 hours, please.

23:52Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, I just do want to say that we are going to get to Italy in a minute. And Sutton, okay. It's not, Sutton, I need to know, you buddying up with Amanda, Doreeth said that you did that as an attempt to score points with Kyle. She's like, yes, yes, with Kyle, with Kyle, just in case you couldn't get to the end of that sentence, Sandy, with Kyle. And Sutton's like, I mean, because Kyle cares. I mean, what is that? Why would Kyle care if I room with Amanda? Did you care, Kyle? That was pretty cool that I did that, though, right? That was nice of me, right? I am a loyal friend, right, Kyle?

24:27Ben Mandelker: I see you've got an opening in your trio here. Do you think maybe I could just slide on in because I stayed with Amanda, anything like that? No, no.

24:34Ronnie Karam: I am nobody's minion, okay? But I will be your personal assistant if you'll just have me in your group, okay? I do like to wear an overall. The answer to this question was so funny because Sutton's like, well, here's what happened. They made me, production made me do it, okay? Because they were like, you know, you can broom Jennifer. And I was like, well, I shouldn't do that because she's like a movie star person. Okay. And also she smarted off to me one time this season. So I was giving her kind of the cold shoulder. Also, no one would do it. So I had to do it. Natalie wouldn't do it. And then we see a clip of Natalie.

25:08Ronnie Karam: Natalie, right? Is that right? Natalie being like, she doesn't want to room with me. I brought my vibrator. Oh, my God, Natalie.

25:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, freaking Natalie. so basically a sudden a sudden literally says okay amanda well when andy says like what like why did you room with amanda and son goes well somebody had to do it amanda's like thanks and she goes okay amanda you just you're just gonna have to take this with a grain of salt here okay this one over here is a movie star this one over here has been on the show a really long time that one over there is really rich that one over there i'm not gonna room with and they didn't want to room with you so basically we drew we drew straws but turns out i was the one who drew the straw and everyone else just ran away and i got stuck with you amanda but uh it was great i loved getting to know you uh fun times you're like the most backhanded response i mean i'm just what do

26:07Ronnie Karam: i care i'll just sit there with my headphones on ignore her ass okay i'm just doing my thing i mean Who cares?

26:12Ben Mandelker: She literally said that. She said, I'll just put on my headphones. I'll have to hear her.

26:18Ronnie Karam: Doreen, I'll watch what happens live. You called Sutton a social climber. Well, that is absolutely ridiculous. That is ridiculous. Do you believe that? Where am I climbing to? Where am I climbing to? I'm already at the top of the mountain, okay? There are stairs made out of bodies. I'm already here, okay?

26:35Ben Mandelker: Thank you. That's right. I am established. and Kathy's like, oh my god, not a climber. Well, listen, that's just part of her world. That's also why she combs her hair with a fork. And son's like, well, I'm already in a world. Where do I need to go? She's like, well, listen, I think you'd like to be invited to parties, okay? And I don't know. I'm not in that world, so I don't really know. Oh, yes, Tari famously does not like being invited to parties, which is why she's always hanging around Kathy Hilton's house and is on this TV show. yeah exactly i like kathy's like you're not a social climber you're a socialite oh okay um so

27:17Ronnie Karam: isn't that kind of climbing parties because you're always listen i only watch the gilded age

27:21Ben Mandelker: so what a lot far be it for me to know socialite's already there socialite is already of the tier and it's just now flittering about the climber is socialites are climbing girl they've got to be

27:32Ronnie Karam: invited to all the parties and if they're not they got to befriend the right socialite and then if they don't befriend this right socialite then they're not going to get to go to the best parties i mean socialites are are the are climbers aren't they well well i mean

27:44Ben Mandelker: social climbing may be part of their repertoire but they i think they a social light is already at living a life of leisure in a way that a alex mccord and simon van kempen who are like bravo's original social climbers are not so like a social climber implies you're not in there yet and you're you're you're doing what you can to get up in there and a socialite is just already there already getting invited to things and just making appearances and taking pictures and is happy but of course there's you you must maintain your station so it's not it's not a it's not a job where you can rest on your laurels but yeah so there is so there's always social climbers and

28:28Ronnie Karam: I'm standing by. And you know what? Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I always say that when I have nothing to say. Oh, yeah. I was going to say Sutton. Remember the plot line with Lisa Rinna where Sutton's Lisa Rinna accused Sutton of being a climber as well. And she's like she uses her money to get people to be her friends. And then it turned out it was Rinna that was using her money to get her to be friends because Sutton always has a table at the Elton John AIDS Gala thing for the Oscars. And so, you know, Rinna always went as one of her guests. And then Sutton was like, well, you never paid for a table.

29:00Ronnie Karam: What about that, Lisa Rinna? It's like, I come from a place of yes. But it always kind of gave the impression that Sutton was, in fact, kind of a social climber because she would be like, oh, I'm going to invite Lisa Rinna to my table and then I'll get on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. So she's kind of climbing in that way. I don't mean money climbing. I think that you're right. There are different levels of it. But, yeah, who knows? Who knows who's right or wrong? But this has been some stink on Sutton for a while.

29:31Ben Mandelker: And you know, when I talk about some stink on Lisa Rinna, you know, the disease of the moment, the pandemic of the moment, Hantavirus, Hantavirus is hot right now. Oh, have you not heard about the Hantavirus? The Hantavirus situation?

29:48Ronnie Karam: No, I can't believe you haven't told me about it. How long has it been out and you haven't mentioned it to me?

29:52Ben Mandelker: Well, Hantavirus has been with us for a while. it's a thing but the big news is there's this cruise ship and there's a hantavirus outbreak hantavirus is really fucking scary and dangerous it's a really scary thing to get it's basically like you get it mainly from like rat droppings like inhaling particles from rat droppings or whatever or like mouse pee and like it's what Gene Hackman's wife died of last year. That was the big, that was a lot of press about that. So anyway, there's been an outbreak of Hantavirus on this cruise ship in the Atlantic. And, um, you really only get Hantavirus by exposure to these things, but there's one little stream that can be passed human to human.

30:45Ben Mandelker: And the strain is from like Argentina and Chile or something like that. And these, this couple came down with it and then got on the cruise ship and uh they have the human they had the human to human strain they died and they had the human to human strain and now it's like a thing and everyone's like oh my god hantavirus hantavirus is spreading but it's like apparently really hard to spread but there's been like hantaviruses like there's a hantavirus frenzy and so this article resurfaced about rumors that went i feel like we never even knew about this but that uh there's an allegation nothing is confirmed i think actually at least serena fought back at this but back in 2022 there was a on this one instagram account actually dana wilkie sorry dana wilkie is the one who spread this so it can all be blamed on her the original hantavirus dana wilkie she um she posted something that said a source is now reporting that while filming the show's 12th season, Cherie Zampino was bitten by a rat during an event at Lisa Rinna's house, and Zampino was rushed to the hospital where she was treated for exposure to Hantavirus, a disease found in wild rodents.

31:58So Lisa Rinna on the

32:00Ben Mandelker: Hantavirus train for having a rat at her house, according to Dana Willkie.

32:06Ronnie Karam: And this was, what, 2022?

32:09Ben Mandelker: Yes.

32:11Ronnie Karam: Hmm. Well, Lisa Rinna didn't have those rats in her house. That was one of her plot lines. Remember? Yeah. She's like, yeah, we got rats. They were in the house. They were on Mad Men. So we love them. They're very talented mice. They've got good angels. Okay, so now we see images of Sutton at the Met Ball because now the fight is like, well, Sutton goes to the Met Ball. Because Andy's like, well, she, you know, I just want to point out with the exception of Rachel Zoe, she's still the one that's been to the Met Ball so many times. you know it's like so many many many times many many many times many times okay i've been to the the ball so many times i didn't even know that bezos was uh doing it this year because that's all i get when i go to the sun when i go to the ball bezos tons of bezos all over me people just

33:01Ben Mandelker: love me there okay all right well so i guess it seems like you're an actual socialite and it's Yeah, because it's only been you and Rachel Zoe. The only people. Excuse me. I went. I went there in 2016 to the Met Ball. I went there pre-Kiwi. Like, okay. All right. Well, it seems like. Okay, so you. But what I'm trying to say, though, is that Sun seems like an actual socialite. Well, were you offended when I called you a social climber? And Sun's like, well, it's not the nicest thing to say. So I apologize. Okay. You bought that.

33:38Ronnie Karam: see you bought that apology well I don't really care I don't care about your apology anymore okay so your friendship's in the will it come back I mean we'll see Andy I just don't know I don't know Andy

33:53Ben Mandelker: alright we'll leave it right there and son's like oh wow by the way look at me I've made it through this whole reunion so far with that one drop of alcohol isn't that amazing note that you're also at the end of the couch let's get that alcohol flowing again Sutton

34:12Ronnie Karam: also it's pretty sad when this starts at like 7 in the morning and you're congratulating yourself on not having a drink Sutton I do not have a bad relationship with alcohol we are always together do you understand

34:26Ben Mandelker: I've not even had a sip of alcohol but I did have it kind of just like mainlined into my vein during lunch

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35:55Ben Mandelker: All right, well, welcome back to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. and this year HBO's rebranded HBO's rebranded what? I don't understand HBO's rebranded herself. I think that was a typo in the notes.

36:13Ronnie Karam: They were probably doing voice to text. So it came out as a

36:17Ben Mandelker: HBO's rebranded herself as a woman manly in love. HBO's. HBO's is actually that's funnier and funnier the more I think about it. HBO's. Bose has rebranded herself as a woman madly in love looking to expand her family. But when Bose felt knocked down by painful setbacks in her IVF journey, Keely was more than willing to ask if he could stop working. Let's take a look.

36:44Ronnie Karam: So now we get a Bose segment and she's talking about how, oh my goodness, I'm having two weddings. I can't believe it. One in Ghana, one in Beverly Hills. Who did I let talk me into this? You did that So now

36:57Ben Mandelker: One's the real wedding one's the one for this show We understand how it goes

37:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah Bo says so everyone's invited As long as I'm getting along with you And Carl just makes like a I don't know Are you getting along with Doreen better than me That's not fair How many weddings does Doreen get to go to And then Andy goes

37:18Ben Mandelker: Will there be a bachelorette And will there be strippers and she's like, uh-huh, well, there will be a bachelorette, and then Sutton goes, I'll be in charge of the strippers. No, you will not. I don't need to see your Colonel Sanders strippers at this party. Okay, let's get someone else who can take care of this. By the way, I don't think it's anyone on this cast who would hire a good stripper. Actually, Erica will hire the good strippers. I will give her that. But I don't trust anyone else here to do the strippers. Not a single one.

37:46Ronnie Karam: Well, especially Sutton, because she'll start crying in the middle of the party that the strippers aren't paying enough attention to her like she did at that Magic Mike show. Remember?

37:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah. No, this is not... She's not who we're going to turn to for strippers. Yeah.

37:59Ronnie Karam: So Rachel's like, yeah, you don't want to put me in charge of strippers.

38:05Ben Mandelker: No. They all look like Noah Cahane or whatever his name is. Let's be honest. It'll be like... It'll be like Xander. Zand. Zand strippers. Just emo guys in hats with like beards.

38:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, totally.

38:23Ben Mandelker: And they're just not going to take their clothes off. They'll just sing Mumford and Sons type music.

38:26Ronnie Karam: Or they'll take their clothes off and you won't even notice because they'll just be all

38:30Ben Mandelker: you know, hair.

38:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah, like Bush. They'll be like Afro Bush, like 70s Bush. So Andy's like, okay, it's been a year of high highs and low lows. I was so sad watching the results of your fertility journey. Ouch. God. Boom. Got it. As a father. Okay, Andy. Well, we're, you know, going to take it step by step, and we're just going to keep trying. Just keep injecting. Well, I want to say that, like, you know, like, now I get it. Because, like, I'm single now, too. And, like, single people, like, guys, when they're younger, I mean, they're not, like, teenagers. It's not like I'm dating Zanzan's friends. But still, like, younger guys, they're like, I want kids.

39:14Ronnie Karam: So what am I supposed to do about it?

39:18Ben Mandelker: I never thought about like what they, that they would actually like want a child. I thought they just would want like a fedora and like a scarf. And I can provide that for them, you know?

39:28Ronnie Karam: So, well, maybe these guys should have thought of that before they started dating 50 year olds. I don't want to hear it from these guys. I'm so sick of these men who wait their whole lives. Don't do shit because they want to keep dating. And as long as they can get hot, but in LA, they want to just keep dating. and then they turn 50 and then they start pressuring you like well I didn't have a baby I'm gonna need to have a baby well you should have fucking thought of that sir I'll bet you pee like you know 15 minutes after we leave the house too oh I gotta pee you should have thought of that okay you should have thought of it yeah well Buzz fans

40:04Ben Mandelker: had a strong reaction to the dinner that you and Keely and Lail had were in San Diego and so we see footage of that of Keely being like ah so how would you feel if I stopped working and I didn't have an income. So Andy goes, Pam Oliver on Twitter said, y 'all are really not listening to these men. And they'll tell on themselves every time. He's setting the stage for when he no longer has an income. It's a red flag. And the coach says in the second half, they're just going to focus on defense and try to score some points. Thanks, Pam Oliver. Thanks. Thanks for that.

40:43Ronnie Karam: Thanks for chiming in. She goes on to continue that she only used alternative names on Amazon packages and not on false credit cards. Okay. Thank you. Well, I wasn't worried because we were sharing our vulnerabilities. And, you know, he was vulnerable about, you know, not having a job. So, yeah, I've been independently wealthy for a long time. He knows.

41:06Ben Mandelker: He knows. That's the point. I'm independently owned and operated. And so.

41:14Ronnie Karam: casino morongo I don't know things are coming to my mind

41:21Ben Mandelker: it's a lot it's a lot out there if you just sort of the more you talk the more you you feel the spirit coming to you you know show me the oh that's all I got of growing pains I really only had those first two words that's it show me the show me

41:38Ronnie Karam: that was three that was three

41:39Ben Mandelker: you're right I got to a third word there Maybe I should work onto it, move onto a different property.

41:46Ronnie Karam: That is one more word than dollars that Kitty has, by the way. But you know what? It's okay to be vulnerable when you're poor. And that's fine, Andy. And he's like, well, you know, you were asked on the after show what you would say, Kyle, if your man said that to you. And we see this. And Kyle's like, oh, really? Well, if he said, how would you feel if I lost my job? I would say, well, how would you feel if your penis fell off? Because it just did.

42:12Ben Mandelker: damn this is like whoa kyle geez i mean we're like we're shitting on keely but like this is this was kyle's attempt to be like sassy and fabulous and like it just shows she has

42:26Ronnie Karam: no ability to do it whatsoever yeah it's only worth it if they're rich if they're rich um and erica said you're right and rachel's like oh my god you said that because like no i was referring to him saying like if my husband said like what if i didn't have a job would you take care of me that's all i meant no it's like i'm that's that's what we that we know that that's

42:49Ben Mandelker: what you meant kyle it was a shitty thing no i'm just saying like if the penis fell off i'm saying like how it's like saying how would your penis felt what would be like if you if you lost your job like i'd be like well what if you lost your your penis like if your penis fell off right it's like a penis is on and then it's off this makes sense guys if you think about it's like really funny guys okay i've been like around a lot of comedy writers okay so like the penis is on then it's off it's on then off it's on then off you guys are you following this is that like you know

43:18Ronnie Karam: if a man doesn't have money then he basically might as well not have a penis or be a man at all that's all i'm trying to say sorry if it sounded weird i don't think there's really anything

43:28Ben Mandelker: offensive about it i think you're like twisting my words to reet and i don't think i don't appreciate you doing that i mean everyone else is making the penis joke why can't i say the

43:36Ronnie Karam: penis joke without everyone getting mad at me well by the way i think a lot of men equate their money to their penis you know what i mean yes that's why she said it i'm so confused by this segment i love that kyle's such a gaslighter she's like no what i really meant was what i exactly what i just said so what do you need they they they mean they have a big dick and a big And Kathy goes, no money, no honey.

44:03Ben Mandelker: All right, Boz, I asked you on Wall Trappin Live, what do you think Amanda's good at? And you responded, scamming. Yes, I know that was harsh. Didn't say it was false. I just said it was harsh. And Amanda's like, that was very harsh. You know, when you said that, that was like shown in my home. Like, that wasn't nice. She's like, well, it was harsh, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you are such a wimp. Oh, but you said the W word right in front of me, and we're close to my home.

44:32Ronnie Karam: I didn't actually mean it. I was pretty angry at the time, and I was like, why the hell is she comparing us? You know? You compared you. You were the one who compared you. She was reading your own words. She was saying back your own words. And Amanda's like, when did I compare? She goes, oh, you compared us a lot. Tell me. You said I was jealous of you. So we cut to a producer asking Amanda why she thinks Bose is comparing herself to Amanda. See, the conversation came because you were composing, you were comparing yourself on the chat GPT in the bus. That was the question, and that's what she was responding to.

45:09Ronnie Karam: So her reply was, well, my course makes millions of dollars, and Bose's doesn't. In fact, she's losing money, and she even told me herself.

45:20Ben Mandelker: I didn't say you were jealous of me the interviewer said do you think she was speak it for, speak it for do you think that, do you think Ipohus was trying to compare her own accomplishments in the series, that's what I was asked well, there were so many things that you were saying afterwards that I was like, wait a second I don't know if I like that well I actually want to correct that because that's not true, well I was so angry that I said you were scamming but it was more like the fact that I didn't understand what the hell you were doing. All I could really tell is that you were, I think you were scamming, actually.

45:56Ben Mandelker: Now that I think about it, you were scamming. No, and I don't think you're jealous of me.

46:02Ronnie Karam: Thank you, because I'm not. Okay, Amanda, well, Boz was one of the first people you spoke to about your business, and during that conversation, I'm wondering if you got the feeling that she was skeptical about you, the way that she kept shaking her head and sucking her teeth, looking towards the exit sign, and doing the circular motion with her index finger around her temple? Or did it catch you by surprise once the show aired and you saw it? Well, I'm going to take this in part. And he goes, oh boy. Why are you acting like Amanda talks so much? She hasn't even said that much.

46:41Ben Mandelker: It was so funny. When she said, I'm going to take it in part, and he goes, oh boy. Erika just looks at Andy like, Andy.

46:48Ronnie Karam: Erica wanted to crack up. The way Erica does that robot move, she went...

46:58Ben Mandelker: I don't know. Erica was cracking me up this reunion. What can I say? I have 10 years of talking. Yeah, Erica's funny. So down on Erica, but I'm enjoying her. So Amanda's like, okay, well, I feel like no matter what I say, it's being questioned. and there's no room to explain myself. So I love my stepkids is my own. Like that's being questioned. Like everything was being questioned. And Bo's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. No, no, no, no. And Amanda's like, well, what did you say?

47:43Ben Mandelker: I asked if they were his kids and that is very different from do you love your stepkids? I mean, how do you conflate those two things, Amanda?

47:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you said in your interview, I don't know about this. The kids having two moms. But that's the reality. No, I did not say that. Again, you're misquoting me. But how did I conflate it? You made it sound like I said you shouldn't love your stepkids. Like, I don't believe that children should be loved if they're not birthed by you. And that's not what I said. But I didn't say that. And that's insane. I would never say it. But you said you didn't know about them having two moms? I did not say that. Was that Bo's in the interview? I mean, come on. Was the interview something about two moms?

48:26Ronnie Karam: Somebody help me here. And Andy's like, we'll find it. These two just have a semantics issue. They really do. They're always fighting over semantics.

48:36Ben Mandelker: They really, really are. And the thing is that neither of them remember the semantics well. because Amanda, she refers to the semantics incorrectly so then Bose can't place it. So she's like, what are you talking about? I never said that. And then Bose is like, I never said that. And then it seems like Bose is lying. But ultimately the quote was like, I don't know how I would feel about someone like a stepmom coming in saying, these are my kids. I'm like, I'm the mama. Like I thought what Bose was saying was I think benign and it was just like saying, she was taking the POV of the biological mother probably having a mama bear response it was not her saying there's only one mother and you can never have more than one mother she was just sort of being tongue in cheek about like hey wait a second don't call your kids mine they're mine you know it was like not but of course Amanda takes it as you know as seriously as possible to be like she's saying that kids can't be in another family if there's a divorce that kids should be thrown out of the streets and it's just like not nice

49:39Ronnie Karam: she said that i should just take the kids back to the library and drop them off in the used book bin andy i did not say that so yeah bo's uh amanda uh bo's got one over on amanda on this one because that doesn't even make any sense now as far as the actual really saying like i don't know if i want another woman calling my kid her daughter i mean they're babies and she's raising them but still Well, yeah, I mean, I can see that. I probably wouldn't like that either. It'd be like grandma. You know, you need to come up with another name for that, Gigi or something.

50:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, obviously, that's such a thorny issue with, you know, step parenting, et cetera. But I have to imagine the producers said, how would you feel about someone, you know, someone else referring to your daughter as their own? Not me. You know, so I don't know. To me, I thought it was a totally benign moment that Amanda took very seriously, as usual.

50:32Ronnie Karam: Amanda takes everything very seriously Alright well let's move on to a sensitive topic Uh oh Okay so he's saying Amanda and Bo share something in common and that's the death of a child So this is a sad part You know I hate fucking sad parts I'm sick of them There have been too many this week on Bravo I've had to think of my mom dying I've had to think of just too much to think about Stop making me think like that I'm watching Housewives

50:57Ben Mandelker: Well think about people dying

50:59Ronnie Karam: Kids die

50:59Ben Mandelker: The sadness only lasts for three moments before it starts to get intermingled with pettiness over the word accosts. So it is a sad thing. But now it becomes about Dorit and Amanda having their words at that party. And Dorit says, first of all, when I approached you, I wasn't looking for a fight. I was looking to understand. I was looking to understand how I could have a fight. And I think we had a few things going on at once. and I just left speaking with a psychic. I'm sorry. Amanda goes, well, I think we just had a few things going on at once. I had just left speaking to a psychic. I was like, okay.

51:41Ben Mandelker: But she was saying she's emotional. She's emotional because everything, everything was brought up. And so she's, she used the word accost in regards to Dorit because she did feel in that moment, in that sensitive moment, like that she had been accosted.

51:55Ronnie Karam: She's like, you know, every time I'd seen you before, you'd been really nice. And then all of a sudden you're coming at me. So it felt aggressive. So it was an attack energy, but you weren't attacking me. And she's like, well, you said I was a ghosting you yesterday, but she just took that back. You know what I mean? Doreen's just ready to jump already. She's like, that's the way you interpreted it. Acousting. And she's like, well, but we're talking about that moment. And I see why you felt that way. No, well, I look back and I see why I felt that way. I love that Amanda can be so empathetic with herself.

52:26Ronnie Karam: She's like, you know, I want the season back. And I really felt for myself in that moment. And I'm aware that you didn't know. She goes, well, I wish I did. I wish I did know at that point. I wish I did. Yeah, but the point is, and they don't harp on her about this, which is bizarre, is that you knew it when she told you. And then you kept going and followed her even after she got up from the table and tried to start it again. Doreen, what the fuck?

52:53Ben Mandelker: Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, well, I think we made some progress, which is a lie, but I'm just going to say that so we can move on. I'm going to move on, which is also what I say when I want to move on. Well, while I overwhelmed Dorit looked for support this season, Kyle's comments about her spending and her erratic behavior landed with a bigger thud than the plane Dorit boarded almost two hours late. Okay, that was a stretch, team. That was a stretch. And while Erica got dragged into the mess, things got so heated, even the Tuscan gelato couldn't cool everyone down. Ha!

53:29Ronnie Karam: Ah! Ah! So we see this big clip of all of this stuff. And Erica's saying, you know, there's only so much friends can take before they go, you know what? Maybe that was not it. I don't need to be treated like this. Maybe PK wasn't wrong. and then Dorit you see her watching the little TV in the bottom and she's like

53:53Ben Mandelker: we knew that was going to get played we knew that was going to get played so so then I also like that in the middle of this weren't they watching it and at one point Dorit starts going are you watching? are you watching? are you seeing this? what's happening? okay settle down

54:14Ronnie Karam: so Tariq's like well that's something else these two women can sit here on the couch screaming at me oh the shit not you Erica but the shit the last few months I was going through in the last three months so much shit would be with my kids I had to show up every single day and I had you know to have something else directed from you from you and you can sit here And you can argue about how everything is about the group. And everyone, Bo said it, and Rachel said it, and Amanda said it. Kyle, you went into this season with a ploon. A ploon.

54:53Ben Mandelker: A plan? No, you had a plan. That's not fair, because you had a plan, too. Like, that's so fair. Like, why is it, like, only you're allowed to have a plan? And I have a plan? And suddenly, like, I say one thing, and then I have a plan, too? That's not fair, Dorit.

55:05Ronnie Karam: Dorit, you don't really believe that, do you? Yes, I do. She had a ploon. Well, I've never said anything bad ever. I've never said anything bad about you. Then you just tried to insinuate that she was insane and erratic.

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