#3365 The Valley S3E07 Part One: Drag Him!

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2:32Ben Mandelker: It's experience. It's over there. So that is everything there. And today we have a super sized episode of the Valley where, uh, the adventures down in San Diego continue. We have fighting. We have more fighting. We have, we have our, I think we have our official villain for season three now, right? Danny is the official.

2:54Ronnie Karam: for life fuck that guy for life fuck that guy for life fuck danny for life what a fucking monster what a horrible human being and then making it even worse he you know nia has a podcast i didn't even know that it's called hold my crown and uh it's called i'm reading this from vanderpod recaps it's uh the most honest we've ever been about our marriage episode this interview i mean it's not an interview it's her and danny talking about their marriage and it just disgusted me and enraged me even more i sent it to you ben so you can see it as well yeah i'm looking at it right now it is really bad you know this is nia like well danny's not really a bad guy like trying to give danny a chance to kind of redeem himself and he just is worse and worse they're talking oh so no one knows what it's like having kids you know and then that changes and you know we used to have so much freedom before kids and we would go traveling and we would do all of this stuff and oh he's just so successful and so busy and they would travel all over the place and he's like yeah we can make love whenever we want it shut up danny and then he's like yeah you couldn't keep your hands off me right babe it's like honey so then we had kids yeah that's how kids are made and now the house feels like it's a military operation so she says i do want to be kind of wrong really vulnerable right now a few months ago we had a conversation that was started by you and one of the first things that was said in the conversation was our marriage really sucks right now and it makes me cry like I don't want to think about it because we're going through a rougher patch and we feel like we're in the thick of it with the baby being so little blah blah blah we're just not communicating and communications is our foundation and that's what we return to and he's like there was tension there was resentment and yeah there was resentment building and I needed to put my foot down and say enough is enough well you know of the way we were both being Daniel yeah correct because it sounds like you're saying you put your foot down, but you need to stop it enough.

4:55Ronnie Karam: No, no, I'm not saying that. But it was both of us fully, though. Yeah, it takes two. So it was like, this sucks right now. Yeah, it was really a window of time. We were going through it. I know this sounds boring, but trust me, it's enraging. She was like, I'm really glad you started that conversation. And then I said, yeah, our marriage sucks right now. So we discussed it. And they're talking about how this happens to a lot of couples, blah, blah, blah. And then he says, it makes you feel crazy because men want to feel respected and women want to feel loved. And if one's not doing that, resentment starts to build.

5:28Ronnie Karam: And she's not feeling loved. She's not going to respect. And if he's not feeling respected, he's not going to want to show love. And this cycle just continues to go and go. Are we in the 1800s? Both of you don't want to feel respected and loved. Only one of you. You only need all men need is respect. Nonstop respect all the time. Danny, you're not fucking earning respect. you piece of crap this fucking guy

5:52Ben Mandelker: I don't know if there's much that Danny has done over the past two seasons this season and last season that has said this is a guy who deserves a huge amount of respect quite frankly and I'm glad that this is finally coming to the fore because I always suspected this was going on I always felt like when they would mention Dark Side Danny they sort of would mention it in this sort of funny way oh Dark Side Danny it's not Dark Side Danny he is dark Danny it's not just like it's this funny side that comes out it's him it's part of him it's who he is and it just sort of got kind of brushed under the rug but like now I feel like it's on full display and I love that it's getting called out because it should because he acted totally like inappropriately today inappropriately last episode and sounds like inappropriately many other things that we didn't see but I think that like and honestly like I know people don't want to hear it like I know people everyone's like go, Janet sucks, Janet sucks.

6:49Ben Mandelker: But if this, if you've seen this, this dark side, Danny, if this is a Danny you've seen witness and then you're in a, you're, he walks in and he's trying to get tequila in the closet of the pantry and then close the door. I would also be like, Oh God, get me out of here. I don't want to be in here with this guy. Quite frankly. Like, I think honestly, like there's some bit, like a little bit of indication for Janet on this.

7:11Ronnie Karam: Well, I think Janet can still suck and Danny still suck. I mean, me, me thinking Danny sucks. It doesn't mean Janet doesn't suck. But he goes on and says, for us putting God first and then putting each other first. And when you say the healthy cycle is when you're showing these things, and the big word here is unconditional. So I'm going to love you unconditionally, and you're going to show me respect unconditionally. And that's, you know, if I deserve it or not, or if you deserve it or not. What the fuck? He goes, and that's the mind-blowing thing. It's saying she's not showing me respect right now.

7:38Ronnie Karam: I feel like she doesn't deserve for me to show her love or do this for her. And we talk about love languages. is this fucking guy i want to kill this person after reading this and she says you know and this doesn't mean that you stay in a toxic relationship or you stay in any type of abuse and he goes physical and she goes no emotional and mental i mean this fucking guy like okay yeah as long as i fucking don't uh physically abuse you this guy sucks this guy sucks oh my god you know the dark dark side danny i stuff i always figured okay this you know this is this little guy probably gets really drunk and acts like an idiot and that's dark side danny that's what they're talking about i didn't know it was like emotionally abusing his wife i didn't get a whiff of that i mean i didn't so i feel really stupid because i'm super judgmental and i like to pick this stuff out and i didn't i just figured he's an obnoxious little idiot drunk you know um which isn't great that's still not great but i just i mean i don't know to me it felt more innocent than like being like this to your wife for sure and the stuff that happened with janet and or jasmine and um michelle was never in question that was always completely shitty and terrible we've never stood up for that you know but i had no idea it was this bad and now that we do know it's this bad i'm like well what what is he even doing here we have to watch someone else abused their wife on tv you guys already put us through jacks now we have to watch this guy fucking abuse his wife and has he been like this the whole time and you guys just haven't been showing it on camera because what the fuck is with this show well i didn't like that as on on someone

9:15Ben Mandelker: tweeted out something like you know it's like i can understand it because um you go on vacation and you want to be away from your kids you want to blow off steam and you think that's what you get to do but then you're still taking care of the kids and someone i think kristen doady was like exactly he's a good guy he just had a bad moment i was like it would have been a bad moment if like he could have maybe gotten away with a bad moment excuse if the day after they went to the amusement park he woke up and he was chill and happy and fun and it was like okay he was just really really cranky and being a huge dick at the amusement park i would not have let him off the hook but at least he would have had that but then it's two days in a row that you're gonna act super super cranky and like and be a dick that is no longer like oh it's a bad moment this is actually the mask has fallen and we're seeing who you really are yeah and you just got beaten down by exhaustion because you have four four under four and now we see the true danny that's that's really what this all is and for him to even go onto onto the podcast and say essentially say that he's not getting enough respect and therefore he can't show love it's like all we've seen has been nia do everything for this guy.

10:25Ben Mandelker: Everything has been about protecting him. Everything is about like, well, I think Daniels just needs like a nap. You know, like she's always smoothing things over. The whole thing with, the whole reason why Janet really fell out with the group is because Janet at that lunch was like, hey, if the situation's bad, I've been there before. And Nia's like, why the fuck, why are you talking about my man that way? Why would you even say anything about my man and alcoholism, da-da-da-da-da. Why would you say that? And everyone's like, yeah, Janet. And that was truly where there was the big rift with Janet and she became an outsider at that moment.

10:59Ben Mandelker: It was because Nia was really, really taking up for Danny. And so for Danny to act like he doesn't get respect is so wild and that's so crazy. And I guarantee the shortfall of love that Nia receives is 10 times larger than the shortfall of respect that he's feeling he's getting.

11:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this guy's just a piece of crap. I mean, this and Kristen, one thing Kristen is always going to do is stand up for a terrible man. She's always done it. I don't know why anybody's surprised. That's Kristen. You know? Yeah. I mean, hello. She's been on TV a long time. She's always going to stand up for a terrible man. Oh, it's just so depressing. Oh, God. Yeah.

11:43Ben Mandelker: But it felt great. I know. I loved it. I love having I love having like the awful people come to the fore on the show. And it was great because we also got some Michelle and Lacey going on. And honestly, we have this great moment with Lala.

11:55Ronnie Karam: But this isn't fun. This is like watching someone abuse their wife. And this was just terrible. I just cannot. And I mean, thank God for Lala. And whoever thought I would say that?

12:05Ben Mandelker: You know? Well, because Lala, when she uses her powers for good, she's quite effective. The reason why she's with us is because she always used her Lala-ness against the mean girls and people who are mean. And then when she doesn't have anyone to sort of aim it towards properly, she just sort of flounders and can be really annoying. but I was like, Lala going off on Danny at the end of the episode was fantastic. I loved it. Cause she was like, you do not get to play that with me. And the fact that he, for a moment he thought he could even try to take on Lala. When Lala has like grown up in the world of Vanderpump rules and like, this is what she lives for.

12:44Ben Mandelker: Are these sort of confrontations? Oh my God. What a fool he is.

12:48Ronnie Karam: Yep. Yeah. So that was great. And it was crazy. It was crazy to be in a position where I'm fully rooting for Lala again. I mean, it's been years since that's happened. So you never know where TV is going to take you. That's for sure. You never know where Bravo specifically is going to take you. That is for sure. So let's get into it, shall we? This is The Valley Season 3, Episode 7, Triggers and Tierras.

13:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So we're still at that. It's a funny title. Yeah, well, because they say trigger a million times this episode. I know. This is funny. They should do the triggers and tears.

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15:37Ben Mandelker: we're still at this amusement park Belmont Park in San Diego and Michelle and Lala have just had actually a really nice conversation about death and now they're all going to be heading to dinner at a local bar. So, Jesse is, he's really enjoying, he's really enjoying that their house, he's telling Lacey that the house has like a petting zoo. He's like, yeah, it's really nice. There's llamas and goats and a donkey and a gym. You're not paying attention, are you? She's like, what? No, I really don't care anything about what you have to say. She hates him.

16:15Ronnie Karam: She's just so over him. lacy does not like this guy at all it's so funny no and he's just watching him try his nice guy act like wow i love llamas she's like shut up god so they go to dinner and uh danny rides tom piggyback he's like hey mister everybody's so performative hey wanna have fun let me ride your bag buddy

16:37Ben Mandelker: hey everybody yeah because this is all he wants to do is just bro out and be silly right so kristin is telling Luke like she doesn't feel great and so he goes well I can't be in your body which by the way why do you why is that your response how about you say oh what's wrong not like I can't be in your body so then can we just turn this into a

17:02Ronnie Karam: housewives type show and get rid of all the men like Jesus I know like what are we doing so he's disgusting too and Brittany's like where we going what's it called oh I say it is called Triumph what is this a bar this is a sports bar so Brittany is like right at home

17:20Ben Mandelker: you know yes they all gather around this whole seating arrangement and the way it works out is that Michelle has to sit directly across from Lacey which is really not what she wants so she's like of course I'm sitting right across from Lacey so then she moves And Lacey's like okay cool Love to see that great she's like I'm hoping in the future Michelle And I can just get to a place of mutual respect But the way that her And her friends treated me last summer Was truly the worst way I've ever been Treated but Janet specifically I just like Don't vibe with her she does things That are so sneaky mean it's Truly like diabolical

18:03Ronnie Karam: Um so Then um Janet's like Um Schwartz they have a Belmont Park IPA you should do that so they're just making small talk and ordering and Danny's like oh oh you're a good friend you're best friends with Janet wow geez oh peach wow everybody just loves Janet shut up Danny shut up you drunk ass god I hate Danny I can't believe this in one episode now I'm rooting for Janet and Lala what the hell yeah it's weird

18:29Ben Mandelker: so then Kristen's like Kristen tells Luke like I don't feel like I want to stay here I think I'm done he's like so you want me to call call an uber do you want do you want me to go with you or do you want me to bring you food like what do you want to do it's like you can say you can say it's okay i just i don't want to do shots i don't want to be negative fucking nancy it's like well kristen if it's any consolation you have been negative nancy for many many years now so that's okay everyone's used to

18:53Ronnie Karam: it and by the way luke you know your wife is doing shitty you know she's in fucking adult diapers and she wants to go home and you're like yeah can i stay and party what a loser what a fucking loser while he's wearing i think this is a scene where he's wearing their engagement shirt with their picture plastered on the front of it it's like look at us this romantic picture of us he's like okay you go home i'll still party it's not like i can i can't feel how you feel we don't need your empathy you dick you need to have sympathy here it's not empathy no one is expecting you to know what it's like to have just had a baby and be postpartum and be bleeding and having to wear diapers but you know you have sympathy and you're like wow you know what i love you and this does suck for you and let's just get some food to go and go home and watch some netflix together

19:38Ben Mandelker: you douche i actually think that if you just said okay i'll go with you she already said you can stay but i think it's kind of like let her be the one to say no no no you you stay don't worry i just want to lie down i'm just not feeling well it's okay i don't need to be babysat it's totally fine uh but he's like should i stay should i stay should i stay he's really just so beyond terrible at this and i just i actually feel so bad for kristen because i think what sucks is that you know she clearly needs time to heal she obviously like physically heal she's also going through postpartum and i think that she probably if she had her druthers she would not have been like come right back on camera like she could she just take her time to get through this and but she has to like this is her job and so she has to like show up when she's like feeling miserable when And she's like physically like going through it.

20:30Ben Mandelker: It's like, it sucks. This sucks so much. And then you have this husband who is saying things like, but what about me? I didn't get to go fishing. It's like, Oh, it's awful.

20:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah. He's still worried that he's not going to get to party with everybody. That's like his biggest worry. And it's the same with Danny. Danny's doing the same thing, you know? So to have them both doing it in the same episode is like, yikes. And so he's like, well, I mean, if you feel like shit, you feel like shit, you know? And the fact that you gave birth to our daughter and what you're going through right now, she's like, are you just saying this because you have a microphone on he's like no why would i just say that so she's like yeah um i want to be in bed this sucks so um nia's telling danny like there's tension has luke said anything to you and luke's like yeah you know if you need to go lay in bed you know because what your body is pushing out of you then you should do that you know i'm not going to tell you what you should do i'm not in your body she's like it sounds like you're giving me shit he's like but i'm not she goes but you're saying i'm not in your body he's like i'm just telling you like there's only so much i can empathize with because i can't physically experience what you're experiencing that's all i'm saying yeah but like you can you can but you know what it's like to be uncomfortable and unwell it's not that hard you don't have to feel the same thing to know how to react when someone is feeling that way and that person is your partner and they're feeling that way because they just pushed out your baby and you don't have to do in the world because you're on her TV show trying to party with her friends with all the money you're making because of her.

21:57Ronnie Karam: You fucking loser. Get your fucking zucchini sticks and go back to the Airbnb.

22:03Ben Mandelker: I think that like maybe the language he's maybe striving for is like, I wish I could help you more. I'll never truly be able to understand how you are feeling because that's just like a physiological never. And I just want to be there for you because I can't understand. Something like that, but not like, I don't know what it's like to be in your body. It's just so, it's so rude. Um, just cause it just feels like you're crazy. Like, what do you expect me to do? I don't know what to do. Like you have to explain it. Use your words. So Luke is like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just, I didn't mean it that way.

22:35Ben Mandelker: I'm just like, I'm not trying to make you feel bad. So Kristen talks about how postpartum has been really hard on her and how she feels really distant from Luke and how Luke is just never going to understand what it's like to be in her shoes. So then Nia goes to check in on Luke and Kristen, because she senses and she can empathize more. And she also knows how to empathize, unlike Luke. And Kristen's like, it's just making me, it's making this like big deal. It's like, make me so uncomfortable. And like, why can't my family just be like, listen, if you don't feel, go home. Like, I don't like it.

23:02Ben Mandelker: I can't physically be in your body. Why are you saying that? Why are you saying that? So then Zach goes up and now Kristen's like embarrassed because now it's turning into a thing. She just wanted to privately leave. And now, now Zach is there below. What's, what's going on? What's happening over here?

23:16Ronnie Karam: yeah and she's like why is everybody coming up to me well you are standing right at the table she walks two feet from the table she's like why is everybody coming up to me um so jasmine's like yeah postpartum is real geez and so he's like sorry sorry my god sorry i just don't want it to be this big thing oh my god so then britney comes up so you're okay like oh my god just leave me alone so i thought you were looking at me no one was looking at you

23:46Ben Mandelker: britney no one was she just wants to be meddlesome if people were looking at you they're looking at

23:53Ronnie Karam: you like what's wrong with that person why is she smiling like that is that person talking to a

23:59Ben Mandelker: cheese stick so britney is goes back to the table she's like she doesn't want anybody talking about I think that's what she's saying. So then Luke is like trying to reassure her. He's like, you'll be so much more comfortable soon, especially once I go fishing. She's like, no, I don't think you actually get it. I really fucking sucks. I just want to go to bed. So now Luke tells us my relationship with Kristen is like not in an ideal place. I feel like I'm her verbal punching bag. I just wish there was a mutual understanding that we're both freaking this out. And part of me believes this is very normal for new parents.

24:33Ben Mandelker: And there's another part of me that believes that this is insanity. No, the problem is she's lashing out because you are not being supportive and you keep on making this about you. You know, people have told me before that something that I think is really a good thing, which is that sometimes in a relationship, you know, sometimes you want to be 50-50 in a relationship, but sometimes someone can only give 10%. And when they can only give 10%, you step up and you give the other 90%, regardless of what's going on. And that's what Luke has to do here, but he's still kind of stuck on the 50%. He's very much in this mindset of like, yeah, I know you're going through it, but I have my needs too.

25:10Ben Mandelker: It's like, this is not a 50 % moment. And it may be tough on you, but you need to be at that 90 % right now because she cannot be there.

25:18Ronnie Karam: He's not even giving 50 though. That's what's killing me. If your wife is like, I feel like shit, I need to go, is that okay? First of all, even asking is crazy. You shouldn't have to feel that you need to do that with your partner. but then for him to be like well i just don't know how to feel in your body i mean i don't know if you should go i mean if you want to go go i'm not going to tell you to go i'm not going to tell you no you say yeah you don't feel well let's go outside and you go outside with them and you call the car or do whatever you have to do you don't make them sit there and stand at a table and argue with you about it for another 10 minutes yeah honestly it's not about your feelings and you didn't even do 50 of the work to get that baby out like blowing your load in somebody is not doing half the work.

26:01Ronnie Karam: She carried that thing for nine months. She put it out through her body. Now she's bleeding. Now she's got it latched to her, you know, sucking the life out of her. She's doing everything. You're not doing 50 % of anything.

26:14Ben Mandelker: And you want to hang around for what? To watch Lacey and Janet hash things out? That's really all that's left here for this evening. You've had a whole day out with everyone. By the way, you've had a whole day out. I think he's just being really self-centered. He's just being a pig.

26:31Ronnie Karam: So he sends her back and returns to dinner and they're like, what happened? He's like, well, she's already in the car. I don't know. I think it's physical.

26:40Ben Mandelker: But also, by the way, again, I also do believe like Kristen is a, is an adult. And if Kristen says you stay, I'm just going to go back. Like you, you don't have to like, then make this a moment to patronize her and pretend like do all this fake stuff of like, are you sure? But I want to, it's like, just say like, okay, Or either you go with her and be like, okay, I'm just going to come with you because I want to come with you. Or you say, okay, I will meet you later tonight. I love you. Let me know if you need anything and I'll come straight home. But not the, are you sure? Because I don't know what it's like to be in your body.

27:13Ben Mandelker: It's like, ugh, it's too much.

27:16Ronnie Karam: So now they try to lighten the mood and Jasmine's like, oh, Michelle, how would you feel if Jesse was like an officiate at our wedding? And Melissa's like, yeah, that's not going to happen. Whatever makes you Abby, whatever makes you Abby is fine by me. And Lacey's like, you guys are not letting him officiate your wedding.

27:37Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Jesse's like, of course they are. Melissa goes, okay, then off the top of your dome, do some officiating right now. So he's like, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us today. Please be seated. Okay, doing well so far, I think. I am here in New Jersey to celebrate the love of two women that I've grown so close to over the years. And what does love mean to us? Love is not defined. Oh, my God.

27:57Ronnie Karam: Are you going to get the dictionary definition? like what is this a dictionary

28:02Ben Mandelker: it's my audition yeah of course I'm doing it this way come on

28:08Ronnie Karam: try harder so Lala's like can I give my auditions okay here's mine once you find love and choose to get married you know that it's gonna end

28:17Ben Mandelker: and they're like wait a second Lala you eat a big

28:20Ronnie Karam: gross Harvey Weinstein B level man's butt out and you think it's gonna last forever well guess what it doesn't so good luck with that But thankfully, you're lesbians. And lesbians stay together forever. Yeah, that's, I thought that was actually pretty funny.

28:39Ben Mandelker: Just like, you're connected for life. You're like, two condors. So then Danny and Tom have a cheers. And like, Danny has this really intense moment. He's like, shaloud. Geez, no eye contact? You didn't make the eye contact. and ever again you gotta make the eye contact and I'm like is this I'm not gonna give Danny any sort of inch here but like does he just have terrible joke banter is this is out that he like doesn't know how to be bantery without sounding actually really intense and evil because like why are you getting so mad about the eye contact on a toast like normally it's like hey you gotta make eye contact not like you didn't make the eye contact now i'm gonna have seven years of bad sex how could you do

29:31Ronnie Karam: this to me bro uh-oh you didn't make eye contact now i have to take another shot while you do it right um so tom's like whoa whoa now you can't look away and he's like eye contact with the tears he's like okay god i thought we were finishing okay we're not in college anymore we can't we don't need to do all these shots just because we're dating college-aged women doesn't mean we're still in college.

29:55Ben Mandelker: So Lala's like, I heard that Danny, when he drinks just to one mini and he becomes very obnoxious and loud and super annoying. And like, I hear someone super annoying and loud and obnoxious and it's like, oh, it's Danny. So I do that. I do know with myself when too many and aggression starts to happen. So I'm watching Danny like a hawk and I got to be on guards.

30:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So Danny's just drunk and being obnoxious. He's like, yeah, You're not eating those things. Bring them over here. Look me in the eyes. I don't focus on any negativity. No negativity for me, okay? So, wow. Don't want to say anything negative or someone might call me an alcoholic. You don't want that. Oh, my God, Danny, you're drunk, you fucking moron. Jeez. Janet's just like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Janet's having a much-deserved, I will add. told you so moment all over her face

30:51Ben Mandelker: yeah this is a great lesson to Janet that sometimes you let people fall into their own messes you don't have to be the one the more you scream it the less people are likely to listen to you just let people just fall into their own messes so Danny's then Michelle yawns and Danny's like hey Michelle Michelle don't yawn don't want you to be labeled as an alcoholic if you fall asleep like yeah this is not really helping

31:21Ronnie Karam: yeah it wasn't sleeping that got you labeled an alcoholic Danny well I guess it was at that Santa Barbara trip because he took a nap and they're like oh my god Danny's asleep why is Danny asleep I find it very offensive that Danny's asleep I forgot that that was a fight

31:35Ben Mandelker: yeah no that was the big thing but like I don't know we are we've all been around drunk people and we always know when there's one person who gets over served and they pass out versus the person who is drinking in a way where you're like this person doesn't is not drinking in the way the way the rest of us are drinking and of course he's passed out right now because he went too hard he was out of he was not pacing himself properly because he was going too hard so like he's acting like oh i just took a nap it's like no everyone picked up on something here danny everyone picked up on it enough that nia had to be like guys he's just napping everything's okay everything's okay like we're adults we know these things.

32:15Ben Mandelker: People pick up on stuff.

32:17Ronnie Karam: He's just so stupid, too. I mean, here you are. You come off this season where I guess he felt like he was a hero because the audience stood up for him against Janet because Janet was so unbearable that now he's just like, oh, so now I'm just going to get wasted and just fuck with Janet and verbally, dare I say, start verbally accosting somebody across the table. And they're like, oh, God, he's starting. She's like, well, I'm just ignoring it. I love this. This is such a fun day. He's like, I just don't want her to be labeled. That's all. And so everybody's like, oh, God, let's just go. Fuck this guy.

32:51Ben Mandelker: You know, drunkenly unleashing your true emotions is probably what's going to get you labeled as an alcoholic, sir. Yeah.

32:59Ronnie Karam: So Jesse's like, Janet, can you guys stay back and have a quick conversation with Lacey and me? And she's like, oh, God. Okay. So Janet's like um well i noticed you blocked me so i didn't want to like intrude if there's a boundary there okay so if there's anything that you want to talk to me about i'm here it's me janet by the way love skeeball or anything that i can win tickets at i'm fun okay go ahead uh i've created a

33:28Ben Mandelker: metaphorical ball pit between us and i just want you to know it's a safe space so lacy goes well The thing is I don't Personally like the gang up Like mean girl bully thing And Michelle's point of view On me is warranted because they were Married so she's allowed to be An evil fucking bitch Because they're going through a hard time but the way you Treat me is like so uncool Like you went on national television And told the world I was threatening To sue you

33:57Ronnie Karam: Well you said you were gonna send everyone Sees and desists so

34:01Ben Mandelker: No I never said that to you I only said that to Michelle that I was going to send it to everyone, not to you, though.

34:10Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I never said that. Well, I don't have a mean girl gang up mentality, okay? I did not like that you sent Michelle a legal letter, and that's the only problem I've ever had with you, okay?

34:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't have a mean girl gang up mentality, but if you need me between the hours of 10 p.m. and 11 p.m., I will be in a room on a Barker lounger making fun of you with the other girls, okay? Thank you so much.

34:35Ronnie Karam: but like my wish is that like i told you you hurt my feelings and then you would be like i'm sorry i treated you unfairly because i'm a ride or die for my friend and you don't deserve that but instead you're making excuses like you shouldn't have sent a legal letter okay but you don't get to tell people how they respond to you yeah either lacy and i'm actually team lacy for the most part on this but you i know she does that a lot where she's like here's what you need to say, I say this and then you say this.

35:04Ben Mandelker: That's not. Yes. Which is funny when she does it to Jessie, but I don't know if I like it when she does it to other people.

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37:27Ben Mandelker: I did forget that they did go on TV last year and accused her of sleeping with someone from Baywatch. And so that is unsettling. If that is a false accusation, that's like really unsettling. But that was Sheena. That was Sheena and Michelle. And she still was like, I'm going to threaten cease and desist. I think that like everyone has the right to be annoyed that she is this person who's off camera, who suddenly has been like thrust into Isabella's life way before she was supposed to be. And now is suddenly making these, like is doing these moves of like, I'm going to send cease and desist. It's so, it was so extra and over the top.

38:08Ben Mandelker: I think like Janet and all the others had a right to be like, this is ridiculous. And she should rot in hell for sending me a cease and desist. Even though now things have cooled off.

38:18Ronnie Karam: well i mean look i think jesse's going back and telling lacy oh my god now these girls are saying that you're sleeping with this person and now they're saying you know you're probably an unfit mother or whatever other shit was going on you know because they were sitting around like this crazy bitch and this girl she's sleeping with some bait watch guy and she's around my daughter and so god knows what jesse was telling her and she's like tell them to stop talking about me on national tv i don't want this fucking up my reputation i've got little kids like i'm divorced too i don't need this shit and he's like oh now they did this and so she was like please stop talking about me or i'm gonna send a cease and desist but like to me that sounds totally rational

38:57Ben Mandelker: on the other hand i i totally believe that jesse was fanning the flames i believe jesse was pitting lacy and michelle against each other um i don't i just don't know in what world like sending a cease and desist to people who are on reality tv and filming is going to be like something that's going to lower the temperature on something that you don't want to become a thing so like to the point where now it's come up again a season later and it's like oh yeah there was that thing with lacy and this thing like it it is it exacerbates it massively and i think lacy is smart actually and i think that she she should know that she she seems to have a lot of ideas of how people should react to things.

39:39Ben Mandelker: Well, this is my, this is me weighing in with how she should have reacted to something. And I don't think that was the way to do it.

39:45Ronnie Karam: So Janet's like, well, I mean, if you, all you were upset about is that I said you threatened legal action. And she's like, well, I'm upset from the day I met you from how you treated me and said, oh gosh, you're Lacey. I saw on Reddit that you auditioned for Housewife like 17 times and you were laughing. And then, I mean, I even have a message from you apologizing, Janet. And so the producer asks her if, well, by the way, you have a message from her apologizing. So there's something in her favor. So the producer asks if she's ever auditioned for Orange County. And she's like, yeah, but that's not my issue.

40:20Ronnie Karam: My issue is when I met Janet, the first thing she said to me is how she was Googling me and doing a background check. And then she went on a deep dive on me on Reddit because that's weird and inappropriate.

40:30Ben Mandelker: yet i personally think sending like threatening to send like a cease and desist is worse than someone saying i looked you up on reddit like i don't know i just i just well she's not sending

40:42Ronnie Karam: this i mean yeah okay i'll respect i mean i respect your opinion i just think that she's sending a cease and desist because she's hearing about stuff they're saying about her on tv it's not like it's coming out of nowhere you know she's just like well but she but she said that like um

40:55Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I just, I feel like she's, she's acting like, wow, Janet, that was so extra that you looked something up on Reddit about me. Like that's so extra, but like, but you sent a cease and desist. That's extra too. Like you, like, like it's all extra. Like you can't act like you're not doing extra things as well in this situation.

41:16Ronnie Karam: So Lacey's like, but am I lying? And Janet's like, well, I don't think that was it exactly, but sure. Okay. If that, If that came off offensive to you, I'm sorry. Okay, well, first of all, you don't audition for Housewives, but you were laughing about it. You should be like, yeah, I said that. It was a bad joke. It was in poor taste. That's what you should have said.

41:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Why was it in poor taste to laugh about auditioning for the Housewives? I think that's actually in good taste to laugh about that. So Janet is like, okay, you know what? I just want to have a fun weekend, and I'm really happy that you guys are here, and I hope you guys have a fun weekend. So Jesse's like, this is the type of apology that everyone hates you for. And Jason's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's the type of apology? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Lacey's like, because it's not an apology. And Janet goes, well, I guess you guys don't mean that much to me, so it's not worth my time.

42:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so she gets up and leaves. I mean, I will say it's weird for Lacey to be trying to start some kind of on-camera fight with the ladies. Like you're with a guy who was divorcing somebody. Of course, she's going to like get with all the girls and be like, fuck, fuck that girl. I mean, it seems weird. Like a year later, if you're going to try and come into this group to be like, I didn't like that. You didn't like that. I was with Jesse, you know, or how you reacted when you first met me. It does seem a little much of a stretch.

42:41Ben Mandelker: And she's like, the way you guys treated me last year was horrible. And I want an apology. And it's like, yeah, I mean, it was you know like yeah it's it's shitty if they're going on tv and accusing you of sleeping with someone and you have like no recourse or whatever but then also like it was like one small like minor chapter in the front of the season it wasn't like this thing that got dragged on the entire way and there's all i don't know there's just like something weird here that i just don't i just don't trust it i don't trust it says like she she refused to come on camera last season and all of a sudden she's on camera this season she's like doesn't want to be in filming and yet shows up to the season finale there's something like that is like uh i i can't articulate what it is but well here's one way to articulate it and it's that she's already she's

43:30Ronnie Karam: putting it on camera herself which is i've auditioned for orange county god knows how many times i didn't get that and now i'm dating some guy i clearly don't even like that happens to be on another show on bravo so it's like okay like we see why you're here but um you know i i think if we're just taking this at face value like okay she's someone trying to come into the group coming in and starting a fight isn't the best way i mean i would say like come in and be like hey look i know we had a rough start and it was super weird how i've kind of been brought in but i'm here so it would be nice if we could like try to get along it's more like let's move forward i want

44:07Ben Mandelker: I just like forget everything from last year would have been the right vibe. Cause I actually believe in or not, I don't really dislike Lacey. Um, but I just think, I don't know, like there's like a lot of red tape around her and I think she's acting like there's not, there's like, she's acting like she was just this easygoing person who got, who got dragged into this mess. And, uh, I feel like there's more to more than meets the eye, but I not had coffee today and I'm really having a hard time articulating speculating my feelings on this matter.

44:39Ronnie Karam: That makes sense. That makes sense what you're saying. You just don't know. We don't know yet. We don't have enough evidence, you know? I mean, I like her okay so far, but yeah, I think she's actually way better than I thought she would be,

44:50Ben Mandelker: to be honest. But I just think, I don't know, demanding this apology just feels, it should just be a, I know things were, I know things were said last year and I think it was because we were both standing up for what we thought was right, but let's just like move forward we don't need to have this tension between us yeah it feels very much like i'm new and i'm

45:08Ronnie Karam: gonna come for the villain you know i'm gonna have a i'm gonna have a fight on tv and it's like just calm down there you just got here you know so janet leaves and she's like well i've met lacy a couple of times and the fact that she thinks i'm digging up information is interesting because everything i know about her she's come out and told me now do i know the square footage of her house and have interior shots of it yes i love zillow okay do i have her tax returns i sure do but i mean it's just all public information because you know janet probably does have all of that stuff all of that and uh jason's like wait wait janet stay for a minute janet and she's like and jesse's like and there she goes this is what she does she did this in santa barbara when i brought up lacy and lacy's like don't yell at her jesse and he's like oh no it's a janet thing that's what Janet does and she's like do not yell at her don't take my battle Jesse this is my scene

46:01Ben Mandelker: on TV yeah she's like this is my moment but also she knows that Jesse ruins everything and she's like trying to actually have like some sort of breakthrough or whatever and so Jesse just starts clapping and Lacey's like stop clapping don't clap don't and Jason's like what do you what's going on this is like too far you guys this is too far she's like fuck you guys so then Jesse's like yeah better walk away she always walks away and so lacy's like don't yell over me this is my

46:28Ronnie Karam: scene stop it yeah fucking jesse so she's like he's like she always walks away from a battle it's not your battle dude go away and jason's like what's your problem lacy's like can you just stop talking jesse okay i'm gonna get upset with you and this is kind of why i like lacy it's nice to hear somebody be like hey maybe like let's not yell at women at a restaurant you fucking weirdo the hell yeah especially like for me quote unquote yeah well it's but yeah exactly like

46:58Ben Mandelker: i don't need you to to be like my knight in shining armor especially when i'm earning all the money in our relationship so jess is like well don't be my he's like be my teammate like don't like stop me and say that and she's like well because i don't appreciate you yelling at me in my ear because well but because janet does the same thing every single time janet can just be like can't just be like you're right i forgot i wrote that to you i'm sorry she instead tries to manipulate the situation and then jumps up and storms away. It's like, sit down, take your medicine, just grow up. Just, like, this drives me nuts.

47:29Ben Mandelker: But the thing is, like, how many times has Jesse not sat down and taken his medicine and not grown up?

47:35Ronnie Karam: But she didn't, she also didn't try to, I mean, I hate standing up. I really do not like this position. But I'm gonna stand up for Janet because she didn't try to manipulate anything. She just said, okay, sorry. And then, when you didn't like that, she was like, well, you don't mean that much to me. bye and she left i mean she stayed pretty respectful you guys come on now i mean i know janet sucks but you're taking like a lot of past stuff and trying to like still make it a this season thing and that's just not how it works and you're all gonna look fucking stupid and jesse you shouldn't be starting fights with women period but especially like in public like what what's wrong with the men on this show i'm gonna ask it for the 20th time like i don't need to see the men treating women like shit.

48:17Ronnie Karam: I just don't need it. You know?

48:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Janet is honestly, Jason is the one who's really emerging the best out of these guys. I have to say. So Janet is like, she's like, look, I'm not trying to poke at you. I'm not trying to start anything. I'm telling you the only thing I ever disliked was the legal letter thing. And that's not like this hatred or animosity towards you, even though I will be making fun of you later this evening. And Lisa's like yeah but like that's my whole persona now like you google my name and it's like baywatch

48:46Ronnie Karam: cheating threatening lying i'm like and she goes david hasselhoff blocked me i mean oh my god i think his new wife did and i was like never referring to him i feel so bad i've been blocked

49:00Ben Mandelker: by david hasselhoff's new wife i thought so it was funny like if you search lacy is is baywatch what comes up i don't remember so then uh janet's like i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings genuinely and she's like i just i don't go and sit with like six girlfriends and gab about it you know one thing i am forgetting is that this was filmed last summer i think somewhere around i think it was in the summer or maybe late summer but it was much closer to the last season so all this stuff seemed probably was fresher in their minds and definitely fresher in lacy's mind and because it was just all airing on TV.

49:37Ben Mandelker: So that's why to me, I'm like, this is so old. Why are you rehashing this? But maybe it's like not as old for Lacey as it is for us. I'll give her that.

49:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it was a few weeks ago for her. So, but also, of course, you sit down with six girlfriends and gab about it. Like, who doesn't? And Jenna's like, but we don't, genuinely. And Jesse's like, yeah, Lacey gave me your car key. Lacey, give me your car key. I'm going to go get your car. And she's like, can you apologize for yelling? He's like, at some point. She goes, no, you need to apologize right now. He's like, okay, forget the car then. And Jenna's like, can we, you know, we can all move forward if you just peg him tonight. She's like, ew, what's that? I don't even know what that is. She goes, it means if you fuck him up the butt.

50:18Ronnie Karam: She's like, ew, I don't even talk about butt stuff. Add that to the list of things to get offended by.

50:25Ben Mandelker: She's like, yeah, okay, great. Well, let's get to the car. That was sort of a funny resolution to this.

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