#3373 Summer House S10E16 Part One: Time to SkiDaddle

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3:03Ben Mandelker: will the trio of lindsey kyle and carl be returning to summer house next season or have they will they be transitioned off into the elder care known as in the city we'll have to see but yeah but it was it was the end of Nira because it was you know it's obviously going to be the last summer of Kyle and Amanda still being together and as they left at the end as we just as we start to transition over to in the city you could tell that everyone had this vibe of like like this is it's not going to be the same next year and part of me wonders do they always cry at the end of this this summer but they just never show it on TV because it's like, oh, it's the end of the school year.

3:49Ben Mandelker: It reminded me so much of when I graduated from college. And after graduation, if the ceremony was done, you're still on campus. And then you now have to pack up and you have to pack up your car and drive off. And you're just sitting there, enjoying those last few minutes while you're still technically in college. And then you're driving off to start the next chapter. And it's a very emotional time. And watching this really reminded me of that. And I wonder if they feel this way every time. It's like the end of summer camp, end of college, end of something or another.

4:22Ronnie Karam: Oh, that's so sweet, Ben. I can just imagine you crying, like calling him out. I was getting choked up when I watched this.

4:28Ben Mandelker: I was getting choked up, but I was also like, I also felt manipulated because I kind of feel like they probably also have this moment every single year. But this is the year that they show it because it is the end of an era in many ways. And it's 10 years and Bravo was like, just trying to make us cry. And I was like, well, guess what? It kind of worked for me. It did make me kind of cry. Yeah, it didn't for me.

4:49Ronnie Karam: Just because we're such different people. You know, when I left high school, I didn't get to graduate high school. I didn't get to. I chose not to graduate from high school because I wasn't getting my PE credit because I refused to go to PE class, which I believe is my right. And they were like, well, you have to come back for another whole year then to get a credit. And I was like, no, I'm not going to. So I got my GED. But as I drove away from the high school, I was like that little girl in the meme with the building burning behind her. And she's just smirking, you know. So that's kind of how I look at everything.

5:20Ben Mandelker: I was hoping you would say you're going to be like Conrad driving off from Laguna Beach up to Los Angeles to start your life in the hills.

5:28Ronnie Karam: Well, kind of. I moved to New York on my 18th birthday. I went on a bus for three days and then slept on the streets of New York City. So, I mean, you know, same thing. The non-privileged version. I guess.

5:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Feel those rats on your skin.

5:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So, you know, living like that in New York too, and then watching this show and just seeing how everybody's like so rich and, you know, even the poor ones like I'm so poor. And then you see their apartments and it's like, uh, this is$10 ,000 a month. What the fuck are you people talking about? But yeah, so I have a different kind of view of it, but I would, you know, I look at it as like burn the house down. You know, you've got all these shit relationships and all these shit memories. Just burn it down. Build a new house. This door is still broken.

6:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I know the door. The door. The door suddenly like not working again after a summer of competence was hilarious to me. Like it started to act up last week and then this week it fully was like jammed up again. And I'm like, it's like that. That what movie is? It's like Lord of the Rings or something like the sword that glows when it's like. in the presence of evil or something like when shit's about to go down that door swells and warps and like does not open up anymore it's like yeah it is about to go down scandal is about to

6:49Ronnie Karam: happen well might have to do with kyle slamming it and throwing stuff against it last week when

6:55Ben Mandelker: he was mad but you know lover boy warped it he threw the lover boy can at it and those juices warped the wood maybe it tasted lover boy maybe it tasted the lover boy espresso martini flavor

7:07Ronnie Karam: I was like, oh, what the fuck is this? I'm sorry, lover boy. I tried, but yikes. I did not know that they'll have that. I still have it in my fridge, and I bought it three years ago when it came out. We drank when me and my sister tasted one, and we're like, no, no. I'll drink the purple one, though. That one's pretty good. Okay, anyway, the point is, it's a season finale. Everybody dies at the end. Okay, let's move on to the city. More or less. Okay. Spiritually, everybody dies at the end.

7:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that is pretty true. But we are still in our apres ski party and everyone's dancing and having a great time. And then Kyle basically tells Ben, who would have known that you pulling your pecker out in Italy would have led to this, right? He's like, well, you must have been impressed, am I right? so you mean that like like who would have thought that because you did that that now you'd be here

8:05Ronnie Karam: on the show dancing in the ski ski party i think he means that that kyle acts every kyle acts the same one thing that's great about kyle is that he's consistent you know he is the same when you meet him in real life he's the same parting after in real life as he is on this show he's just the same and i imagine that they were in italy together for that wedding or whatever and kyle whipped out his dick in the backyard was like i'm gonna piss right by this pool and so ben came up and peed next to him and they had their wieners out oh it was like you should come on summer house you know because that's very kyle like love your dick come on summer house and i'm imagining that's what they're talking about did you read the comments that we missed last week that ben and kyle were like staring into each other's eyes like they were gonna make out i didn't even notice that

8:50Ben Mandelker: a hundred percent did not see that it became like a meme and now like yeah kyle put a whole thing I fully miss that, which is really a shame because I love picking up on homoerotic subtext. But I guess I just was looking at overtext. Maybe it's because when I see Ben, I just naturally avert my eyes at this point.

9:09Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, maybe it's like heated rivalry where we don't need subtext anymore. That's not gay enough. I need actual hardcore butt munching or something to see it. If you're not sucking a dick, I just don't even care anymore. I don't care. Maybe he's gay. Maybe he's not. I just believe whatever you say unless I see, you know, some munching or whatever. So I didn't really notice it. But then today I did because it was pointed out. And I was like, these guys really do have some subtext here. There's something cute about it. They've got like a good energy. You know, I'm not saying you're gay. I'm just saying if they were gay, I would watch them do whatever they do on Twitter.

9:47Ben Mandelker: They're like little lady, lady men pussies. That's what you're saying. I see what you're saying. No, I'm just kidding. I just think if this were prison.

9:54Ronnie Karam: I would feel lucky to room with either one of them.

9:58Ben Mandelker: I do really like how affectionate the men are with each other on this show. I think we talked about this a few weeks ago about the affection. Like straight men are very affectionate with each other, but we as a society don't really dwell on that. And we definitely don't portray that. And they're very affectionate on this show. This show and Love Island are the shows where men are very, very affectionate. And once in a while in Vanderpump Rules, there were some moments with like Tom Sandoval and like either Tom or Jax where there was some affection, but it was so wrapped up in douchiness. It was hard to really enjoy.

10:31Ben Mandelker: But on this show, like there's a scene later on in this episode where Jesse just crawls on top of Wes in his bed. And I think like maybe kisses him on the cheek or something like that. Like they're very sweet with each other and there's nothing wrong with it. And it's wonderful. So even with Ben, it's nice. Yeah.

10:47Ronnie Karam: Well, there you go. So, um, Amanda gives Jesse a quick I approve of the male affection on this show I applaud straight men showing feelings you heard it here first

11:03Ronnie Karam: so Jesse tells Amanda he loves her she's like I love you oh jeez we could be friends forever outside the city but nothing beats doing this like partying really hard in the backyard

11:16Ben Mandelker: nothing beats doing this whining while everyone around me as having the time of their life. That's kind of what she does every summer.

11:25Ronnie Karam: I could have a terrible relationship in the city, but nothing beats having a terrible relationship with all of you here to witness it. It's so much better when it's ruining everyone else's summer.

11:37Ben Mandelker: Nothing beats having a terrible relationship when you're dressed like you're on a ski slope, but it's 96 degrees and humid. Everyone's dancing, and Kyle and Sierra go to sit down. And Kyle's like, this might be your best party yet. She goes, really? Wow, better than Snoozefest? I mean, like, it was in the name. I actually disliked the Snoozefest party quite a bit. I did not like the oversized beds. And I hated that reunion last year where they were all sort of sitting in, they made it look like the Snoozefest. Ugh, I hated that so much. So Kyle is like, yeah, well, my only issue is Snoozefest with the name.

12:12Ben Mandelker: I mean, it doesn't really scream party, you know? I was like, well, that's the point. We didn't really scream party that summer. and we see last year, it's basically Sierra and Paige lying in bed.

12:21Ronnie Karam: Paige being in bed.

12:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we had to all be in bed with Paige. So I was like, fair. Well, you screen party this summer, that's for sure. She's like, no, I mean, I've really been like a lot better about it, but I feel like I go out with certain people and I've been like really finding my way, but I just want to like pick your head about last night. Oh, don't pick my head. Okay, it's itchy. Okay, I've got great hair. Don't pick at it. Oh, you mean metaphorically. Well, I mean, Sierra, if I'm not going to lie, I don't know how to process what we talked about on the beach. Like, I just felt felt hurt. I'm really scared for the future.

12:54Ben Mandelker: So I'm going to stare at the at my toes for the rest of the scene. If that's OK with you. OK.

12:57Ronnie Karam: She's like, this is summer house and we're all going to do this today. So I'm going to speak to you in therapy speak. I hear you. You are valid. OK. And he's like, well, yeah, like, you know, I don't feel like anybody hears me. I don't know how to explain where I'm coming from anymore. yeah i mean i'm kind of drunk i don't know if that has anything to do with it is my eyeliner messed up she's like well you don't know how to express yourself kyle okay he's like well when your life is like literally falling apart and like you're not you're not going to react well you know and she's like okay but like you lash out you go after your best friend you say fuck you to people who you know you shouldn't be saying fuck you to like your wife and you know people get caught caught in your crossfire and we're trying to support you but you know we don't know if we need to support you together or apart, but we want you to be happy.

13:46Ronnie Karam: And we're not rooting for you to get divorced, but you guys need to have, you guys need the ability to communicate and to have these conversations. I'm like, well, that's true. And I've really, Sierra's advice is so good. And the way she's just laying it out there for him is also so good. I just wish she would listen to her own because this is kind of the advice that Sierra needs to take for herself because she spent two years, you know, not communicating with Wes and all this. And then it's put, you know, that's helped put them. I won't say it's put, that's the reason it's put them, but it's kind of this like delayed maturity of the friendship where now they're like kind of back at square one and all this other stuff.

14:26Ronnie Karam: Anyway, the point is you're correct, but yeah, you need to communicate as well. And also you can't really teach Kyle to communicate because Kyle only can hear his own pain and he's only going to say, but, but, but.

14:38Ben Mandelker: Here, Kyle, if you need to communicate, just sometimes it's better to write it down with your P. Okay. So just go over there and just start spying the letters. Okay. There you go. Yeah. Well, you know what? Sometimes, Ronnie, the best therapists, their lives are a full on shit show, right? Like, isn't that the, did we learn nothing from Prince of Tides? Hello, Dr. Lowenstein.

15:02Ronnie Karam: That's true. I guess so. Yeah. Cause she, she is really smart in what she tells him. And I think she's the only person that's really explained it to Kyle this well.

15:12Ben Mandelker: I mean, by the way, how many times do we sit here? Do we sit here, especially on Below Deck, and we lecture every single person about how they should be doing their job, and a real person would do their job this way, and if you're in a business environment, you act like this, and you do this, and you say this, and what you should have said in that environment is this, do I do any of that stuff in my real life? Absolutely not. I'm the laziest fucker. Okay, I will have like my bag. My luggage will have clothes in it for three weeks minimum after I go on a trip just sitting there. And I'm sitting here talking about how people should run their lives and act and behave.

15:46Ben Mandelker: So I am the epitome of the person who has all the advice and recommendations in the world and does not follow a lick of it himself.

15:54Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, but that's why we're the heads of the Hippocrat Party. So listen, we're still in office 14 years later. So I know we're doing something right. unfortunately we are not protected from audits from the irs did you just say the same thing no but that's funny i can't believe what this country is doing right now it's awful awful it's time for a commercial it's time for a crap it's commercial

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16:42Ronnie Karam: It was just a tumbleweed blowing through there. But then Wayfair came along

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18:29Ronnie Karam: so um but yeah i mean we were we're talking about below deck yesterday and filleting a fish and i was talking about being a waiter and how much training it took to like fillet a fish and this and that and i'm going on about filleting a fish and i was thinking last night when i went to bed i was like you were such a fucking hypocrite like think about all the times that you splattered fish guts onto people sitting at a table at a nice beautiful moroccan restaurant and i'm just splattering fish guts literally all over people you know and i'm like sitting here judging people

18:59Ben Mandelker: on their filleting of fish we went like we were on one with below deck yesterday i know a lot of people that listen to their various shows and like if you listen to watch summer house you're not you're not necessarily watching below deck first of all below deck is so good second of all um we really we we put in a two-hour episode yesterday of below deck we were just that fired up because we're equally fired up about men being babies and their emotions and like how like systems are sexist and and how women really get the raw end of so many things as bullshit and we're also fired up about how fish are filleted sort of at equal equally it never

19:42Ronnie Karam: stopped it was a non-stop episode yesterday so uh kyle takes sierra's hand and he's like i hear you I'm sorry. I'll speak therapy dog too, all right? She's like, look at me. If I didn't care about you, I wouldn't say anything to you. Now, I don't know if you can find Amanda at this party, but I want you to go to her and apologize and say but some more. All right, I'll do it.

20:05Ben Mandelker: So Amanda's talking to Lexi, and Amanda's like, Hi, I saw Andrea, but I was asking where you were. Come on, come meet Gavin. Gavin's part of the new family. family is gavin on in the city i just don't remember everyone's names yet probably is i don't

20:22Ronnie Karam: know i haven't in the city is one of those i you know obviously i watched it and i was like i'll learn your name when you prove yourself to me it's like watching a new season of below deck where it's like i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give this six weeks yeah i think i feel like there's

20:36Ben Mandelker: someone on their name willie or maybe not i'm i don't know anyone's names except yvonne yvonne

20:42Ronnie Karam: who talks like emma georgina i remember georgina georgina i feel like i really liked georgina she's like a crazy esthetician and then i that's the one i said you'd like i knew you i knew that that was the well first i because uh ben texted me and was like oh you're gonna really like someone on the show i'm not gonna tell you who so i was waiting and at first i thought it might be lexi because her voice was like there was something weird to start with lexi's voice but then it turned normal and i was like it couldn't be lexi and then georgina came on i was like it's georgina It's got to be a Sergina.

21:13Ronnie Karam: What a mess. Love her. Anyway, that's the next hour. But for right now, yeah, I don't know who Gavin is, and I don't care. So Amanda's, like, talking to Gavin, and then we see Bailey, and she's pouring vodka in the ice luge. And she's like, am I flirting? Am I flirting right now? Then outside, Jesse is talking to – he's introducing Sabrina and Ben. He's like, yeah, here's my friend. Sabrina's hot. Ben's hot. and Sabrina's like oh my god nice to meet you oh I'm sorry I can't be your best friend I've already got one her name is Sierra best friends for five yes by the way Gavin is on in the city

21:52Ben Mandelker: he's the guy who who runs the bar that they go to which we'll get to so yes um by the way Sabrina I I just I can't with this girl I'm sorry I cannot with this fakie fake it's too much it's just way too convenient that she meets one of the breakout stars of summer house like the the one who's most closely aligned with page to sorbo that she like meets her and immediately is like we are soulmates and now it's all up in her business and it's like i'm your confidant you know like i don't know like to me i just think it's suspicious and weird i'm sorry i just i don't

22:31Ronnie Karam: trusted she uh she doesn't really offend me i mean i don't think she i don't get mean vibes or anything like that from her i definitely get crazy vibes but you know they're like innocent you know i feel like they're innocent like when you watch the billy eilish movie and i don't know why i'm still talking about that i'm so sorry but i saw it and um it was good but then you see like all the girls crying in the audience it's like you just cut to 50 000 people sobbing she's one of those people, you know? Just one of those sobbing people. I just see her as being like an Amy Grant song. Well, maybe not Amy Grant, but like a Taylor Swift song will come on in Home Goods, and she'll just be like, oh my god, this song speaks to me because I had a breakup this week.

23:13Ronnie Karam: Oh my god. She's just like hugging random people in the picture frame aisle, like crying over. This was us. Did you see this couple so happy in this picture frame that used to be me, guys? I just see her being an open wound. She's just an open wound. you know? Yeah. It's what we'd call a very young soul.

23:32Ben Mandelker: I'm sure. Yeah. Like a zygote. She's a zygote soul. I, she seems very nice, but I don't know. I'm just suspicious. I'm suspicious. I just, I just, you know, it was the combination of it's, it's one thing that we all have met people that we immediately connect with like, Oh my God, we're going to become best friends. But it was like, specifically the people that was Sierra right away. And then the fact that she got so performative about West being on a lounger with another girl. I'm like, okay, that's fine if you connect with Sierra, but now you're going to take up for Sierra like you've been her friend for four years.

24:09And I'm like, there was something,

24:12Ben Mandelker: I just, I can't discount it. I need to, I don't know. I'm willing to revise my opinion down the line, but for right now, I don't trust this lady at all. And also she voluntarily takes photos with Ben making out. And I think that you combine all these things together. It's all very performative. It's very like aware of the cameras. I just think there's there's an ick factor there for me that I do not appreciate.

24:38Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, I can see that for sure. So, Lindsay, Lindsay's like, um, to be honest with you, like to be honest with myself, like I super buried like a lot of things after the breakup. And I need to have a talk with Carl after this whole Sharon debacle. Oh, Sharon attacked me in a soft bar. So she is going to go have a conversation. Sharon came up.

25:01Ben Mandelker: I was like, nice to see you. Oh, my God. What a tobacco.

25:06Ronnie Karam: No, I knew what Sharon was doing. That's, you know, coming to insist on shooting a scene with Lindsay so she can victimize herself. I know what you're doing. I see you, Sharon. Sharon is the real problem. I'm fine with Sabrina while Sharon is still in the neighborhood.

25:25Ben Mandelker: the grass is always greener um i i just think it's funny when lindsey's like this sharon debacle i'm like it wasn't a debacle it was just an awkward conversation so uh yeah but didn't it

25:39Ronnie Karam: make more sense once she kind of explained it to carl because i really got it i mean i yeah i thought that was good context that was yeah but i really got it in this conversation so she pulls Carl aside. And she's like, we need to have a tongue. And she's like, yeah, I have to like, I can't leave it up to Carl because like he faints around me. Remember that time he literally fainted before he was proposing? And we see Carl just being a wuss.

26:06Ben Mandelker: Oh, no. Lindsay Dale Hubbard, will you revive me? So she's like, yeah, let's go sit in the igloo. Oh, yeah. It's good to see that Evanna's here. I thought Emma Stone had come to the party. I turned around, I was like, oh my god, two time on Oscar winner, Emma Stone, there's a Sivan voice.

26:24Ronnie Karam: I just wanted to sit in the igloo, which is like the perfect representation of our relationship. He's like, oh, okay, let's go over there. Okay, so the last couple of days brought up a lot of feelings and emotions, and not really about our relationship, but our friendship.

26:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah.

26:44Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, I was going to be a little more. It's like I'm not I'm going to show you what therapy has taught me Over the course of this conversation So please go ahead and say your piece You're a lady and you deserve that I hear you

26:58Ben Mandelker: I just want to say one thing I just want to say thank you for helping calm the situation Last night during that fight Having you do that it like It meant a lot It meant a lot

27:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah well I feel like I knew in that moment Like if it were me and my voice And I looked you dead in the eyes And I was like, Carl, it would trigger you. And if that triggered you, then you would be less triggered over the other thing you were triggered about. So I was blocking one trigger with another trigger, which is my voice. He's like, you're right. I'm still triggered right now. I'm triggered right now. Thank you so much. Thank you for triggering.

27:31Ben Mandelker: It's like when you go out to, you're out in the world, it's like 3 p.m. And for some reason, someone has the exact same alarm clock. And it goes off at 3 p.m. and you get triggered because you're like so used to it being 7 a.m. And that thing going off. I was like hearing your voice. So thank you. I think that really calmed me down in a really weird way.

27:49Ronnie Karam: She's like, yeah, well, for me, it brought up a lot of feelings. And then on Wednesday, your soft slash bar opening, your mom came up to me and was, like, asking for a bunch of hugs. It was disgusting. And then asking me questions about Gemma. And I was, like, very uncomfortable, girl. Like, I was, like, pretty rattled.

28:06Ben Mandelker: Really? Wow. Okay. Okay, well, go on.

28:12Ronnie Karam: I can't believe you said something about my mom. at the sharing being like well you you sure are yourself and that's the most important thing to be

28:20Ben Mandelker: that is one of the most hilarious passive aggressive lines of the year like she's a little mean just like her mom you are you so lindsey's lindsey's like i have not spoken to her since our breakup and i just felt like i was like glossing over everything that's like happened and I'm just like, you know, it's just like, it's confusing as hell, right?

28:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, like, what now? Yeah, I don't think that my mother clocked it as such in the moment, though. She's like, yeah, well, but I know that's kind of the problem, though, because, like, there's no clocking. Like, no clocking is going on. Where's the clocking? Well, I did just tell you an alarm story, so that was something, I'm sure. But when we broke up, like, I didn't even hear from your mom for, like, a month, and, like, I have weathered the storm already, And then like two months later, your mom's partying and celebrating, basically dancing on the grave of our relationship in Mexico. So this, I think, puts it into context that people don't necessarily get, which is that since they broke up at the last minute, Carl was like, well, I spent all this damn money on this wedding and I'm not getting it back.

29:28Ronnie Karam: So he went on his honeymoon with his mom, like he partied on this honeymoon. And then the mom is making videos, basically, you know, like lying down on the bar while bus boys are doing shots out of her tits or whatever. Like, well, I broke up. Fuck you, Lindsay. You fucking loser. And so Lindsay's like, yeah, that that wasn't cool. So like your mom's publicly humiliating me and like celebrating my demise and then coming up to me at soft slash bar when I can't even have a martini.

29:58Ben Mandelker: Right. And by the way, she was there, too. Most importantly. And also let's not forget that Lindsay did mention that like Sharon was like another mother for her for 10 years. And then, you know, so this breakup happens and she doesn't hear anything for two months from Sharon. So, you know, Lindsay already has a lot of abandonment issues with her mom as it is. And then this woman doesn't like, doesn't say anything to her. And then she goes off and, and she goes on a vacation, this honeymoon which feels very much to lindsey as she says dancing on the demise of our relationship which i don't i think probably for sharon it was like uh it's a free vacation but like for lindsey it feels really insulting especially when there's a headline that um that's like carl radke's mom dances the night away with sheena shea in mexico on his canceled wedding weekend that's you're not going to feel good about reading that kind of thing especially when you're like wait why is Sheena on my honeymoon.

30:56Ben Mandelker: How did that happen?

30:57Ronnie Karam: And he just goes, oh, yeah. She's like, yeah. And part of me was, like, waiting for you to say, like, you know what, Linz? I just want to talk to you one-on-one and figure out what went down after we broke up. And you never did, Carl. You never did. And he's like, oh, I hear you.

31:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah, everything just, like, fell apart, like, two months before our wedding. So, like, that to me was, like, shattering. like how can you be my best friend of eight years and dreamy like that like I thought our friendship wouldn't be on the TV show and I thought that like you would have like come to me first and been like I'm honestly having second thoughts I think we need to postpone our wedding no I mean that's true but if we all remember that season and that was not going to be a season where either of you guys were going to be talking to each other about anything you were sitting there complaining about he wasn't having sex with you behind his back and he was complaining about you know a million different things behind your back and yeah you guys I mean that's true in the forefront of your relationship at that moment in time you guys hated each other that's true and i think they

31:57Ronnie Karam: were both a disaster in that relationship but i mean i was definitely team lindsey there because totally you know to like go watch to go watch the season and see that the whole season was carl basically telling everybody like oh my god like she's horrible to me it's just acting like this huge victim when she's like staying calm and trying to work things out with carl and trying Trying to help Carl and trying to baby Carl through life and help him get a podcast started and help him get anything going. He had nothing going on ever at the time. And then to find out that he's been talking about you this whole time on national TV, like he does this season with Kyle.

32:33Ronnie Karam: Like, this is Kyle's MO, you know, or Carl's MO. And so to see him doing that and then not ever really get to say anything. I mean, I guess she did at the reunion.

32:46Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, Carl's thing is he's very non-confrontational. And so that for sure is like the issue here. So she's like, yeah, we never had a talk about this. And I want some closure, yada, yada, yada. Meanwhile, everybody's watching.

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34:23Ronnie Karam: So then back in the igloo, Carl's like, oh, okay, I really understand. I totally hear you, totally valid. And you know, it's fucked up, you know, I'm really sorry. And I've said to Kyle a couple of times, you know, just being able to laugh at you and talk about the good times. Oh, hold on. We've had a lot of fun. We've had good memories. and I didn't handle it well, you know, and you've helped me in so many ways in my life and I probably wouldn't be where I am today without the way you were there for me and just like pushing me and like guiding me in a really difficult time in my life and saying brick and mortar sucks.

34:55Ronnie Karam: You know, you made me a better person and I'm forever grateful for that. I just can't believe it took two years and you actually going, hey dude, what the fuck?

35:04Ben Mandelker: Well, I have to get a lot around here. I was like, yeah, well, not gonna lie. when you crack the whip is really good. And I'm just like so glad you took me to come over here and talk. And I learned a lot right now. And it was a great moment for growth. Am I harboring resentment about the fact that you're talking shit about my mom? Yes. Will I just bury it deep down inside and let it fester and then complain to everyone behind your back for the next season? Perhaps. But yeah, great chat. Great chat. Yeah.

35:32Ronnie Karam: So it was nice. He stayed. You know, he kept, he was just like, you know, I'm not going to argue with Lindsay. I'm just going to give her what she needs. Give her the apology she needs. and move on, which, you know, good for him.

35:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because honestly, like, I'm on Team Lindsay with this whole breakup, but the truth is he's the one who broke it off with her, so he doesn't need the closure. She's like, you never sat down with me and we never had that closure. It's like, well, unfortunately, the person who does the breaking up usually is not the person who's also going to seek out the closure because they just got their closure. They just closed it.

36:01Ronnie Karam: I closed the door in your face, so that was the closure. Okay, but I did laugh when he goes, okay, Lins, learned a lot right now. Yeah, learned a lot. Thanks. I started cracking up.

36:15Ben Mandelker: So like, therapized Carl's. As per your work list, I have made sure to make a note of this, and in the future we will do better. Thank you.

36:26Ronnie Karam: Totally. He's like, oh, please take 10 % off next time you come to Soft Slash Bar.

36:31Ben Mandelker: Oh, thanks.

36:34Ronnie Karam: So now people are doing dot skis, and Kyle's like, I'm alive. No, no word on if that means Amanda or if he's looking for somebody else at this point. I'm hoping the latter. People are partying and KJ is like, whoa, this vest, by the way, this used to be a lifestyle. Dara styled me. I was like, all right, I'll let you style me this time.

37:01Ben Mandelker: I'm anxious. Then Kyle is like, hey, man, I want to introduce you to somebody. no I'm good no so she just walks away and so Amanda's like I don't ignore my issues with Kyle by any means I just don't feel like arguing with him anymore like I know I've had these conversations before and I know how they go like do I get an apology maybe will he do it again yeah and like the only thing that's changed is like my reaction and you know it's so funny because like literally Amanda would have been the people's hero but at by the end of this episode like she would have we would have all been cheering for her so much so much like we would have been so behind her all the decisions she makes

37:49Ronnie Karam: i don't know about amanda i don't know you know i really don't know and it's hard to say but um you know while i was cheering it on for through a lot of this because kyle is just full of shit you know and his apologies are bullshit you know i don't blame her for being pissed about any of that stuff but i think just watching that dinner you know a couple weeks ago where she was sitting there smirking while lindsey was like going off on kyle about everything that amanda had told lindsey i mean that would have probably turned to me because she's i don't know an asshole you know like i think i think being an asshole does not negate her being an asshole so yeah no but i think

38:25Ben Mandelker: look we've we've said this relationship is doomed for many many years and i think that there is literally 10. When Kyle said, yeah, when Kyle said, you know, yeah, maybe the reason why I'm going out and partying so much is because I don't want to come home because, like, she hates me, and, like, why would I want to come back to that? So, like, we've really had this POV of, like, like, Kyle, like, all she wants is for you to be there, and then you're not being present for her. Like, of course, this is going to be the, like, she has simple requests, just do them, and I still stand behind that, by the way, but also, like, you know, it's important to know that there's also the other side as well i hate being a both-sider but i do think in a relationship there are two sides of a story and um i i think honestly if this scandal had not broken out i i feel like we would have seen that scene with kyle and amanda looking at him and i'm not sure we would have honestly scrutinized her facial reaction as much in that i think we would have seen her as someone who's like Like, finally, people are seeing what I see.

39:29Ben Mandelker: And we would have been like, there's a world where we may have been happy for her in that moment. But I think now with the greater scandal happening and we see sort of duplicity at play and we see someone who can't fight her own battles, like we see that more in that situation. and so i think though that like without the scandal i think a lot of us would have been cheering her on for finally taking owner not owner for finally taking control of her destiny and moving out of the situation that was making her so unhappy yeah i mean i would have been happy

40:01Ronnie Karam: that they broke up for sure because they've needed to but she just seems just god she's just unbearable a lot of the time she just really is sorry yeah i agree i think she's just like The constant whining and going behind, you know, going and telling everybody your problems and then having everybody fight your battles and then sitting there laughing when they do it. And then he's like, do you want to meet someone now? And just like being a total asshole, you know, like if you're not going to work it out, then just don't work it out. Leave, but stop dragging it on and on. It's just painful.

40:32Ben Mandelker: She's been a wet blanket for years. And I think we talked about this a few episodes ago as well. She's been a wet blanket for years. And I feel like on my part, I've, I've tried to kind of not just lean into that and be like, she's such a wet blanket because I, I just feel like it's just not fair. I do think that women a lot of times are labeled nags and wet blankets when they're not having, not having fun because the guy says it's time to have fun. And I just think it's like really unfair to do that. And I was like, I, I tried to push back where I could on leaning into that feeling, even though clearly we definitely have called her a wet blanket before, but now I kind of am like, all right, can't resist anymore.

41:14Ben Mandelker: She's been a fucking wet blanket for years and years and years and years, years, years, years. And, and I think that we've all been rooting for her, I think, and trying to hope that she gets into a better situation and like, well, she's a wet blanket, but it's because she's miserable because Kyle's making her miserable. But now I'm like, it's just maybe who you are. Yeah.

41:35Ronnie Karam: I mean, I do think Kyle has been making her miserable and she does have reason to be a wet blanket sometimes, but it's like someone's making an effort towards you for a whole, like we've seen now is the effort quitting DJing and you know, her, for him to win, he has to quit DJing and be home every night. And he's like, no, I'm earning money and I'm not going to do that. And this is my dream and blah, blah, blah. So that should be the long and the short of it. This is what I want. This is not what you want. But instead, it's like, but you won't quit managing over and over. And he won't. So that's kind of his fault, too.

42:05Ronnie Karam: So I'm not saying it's either one of their fault. But this whole thing of like the whole summer, you see him kind of like trying to like have a good weekend with Amanda and trying this and then her just rebuffing, rebuffing. Of course, on the other hand, you see Kyle still is even at the summer house going out every night after a fight instead of staying here to talk, you know. So, like, I can see her point. it's just like one of you is at least trying to be pleasant and one of you is not and as an audience member i'm just would rather be around the person who's more pleasant because you're just making me fucking crazy at this point either shit or get off the pot like honestly

42:39Ben Mandelker: geez it's like it's like like when people are in are unhappy they uh they act in different ways and Amanda's form is just acting in a way that's like, like not as fun. Although Kyle getting wasted and throwing shit out of doors also not fun. Okay, they're both miserable. Congratulations to us. We got to the bottom of it. So now we go back to Sabrina and Sabrina goes up to Sierra and she's like, and Sierra's like, where have you been? She's like, well, so Ben just told me that he loves me. Oh my God. And Sierra's like, really? He loves you? I know he loves me. And then two hours ago, flashback, Sabrina Bell, I love you and you're my person.

43:26Ben Mandelker: And I don't want to be with anyone else unless you don't pick up the socks you left on the floor. Could you please pick those up, little lady?

43:34Ronnie Karam: Do your chores and I will love you forever, young lady. All right. And say, oh, my God, let's go make a baby. Oh. see how quick that went see how quick it's like my fear is that if i say i love you

43:52Ben Mandelker: then all of a sudden we're gonna be wrapped up in a relationship and get way too intense

43:56Ronnie Karam: no that's crazy let's make a baby so then he's immediately like we're on in the city okay i'm already making my mistake in the next show baby time in the city here we come baby

44:11Ben Mandelker: yeah um so then sierra's like well you've been waiting so long for that she's i know and honestly you were the first person i thought of after he said it i was like where the fuck is sierra she's my most famous friend she has to know this news you've been the biggest blessing in my life oh my god these past 10 days of knowing you oh i've been changed forever sierra i didn't need as much time as ben needed to tell me i love you i love you let's have a baby together okay love you back The woman you are, the woman you want to be. I love you, Sierra. I love you. Okay, you don't have to do Jerry Maguire to me.

44:43Ben Mandelker: But I do. I'll be the body hunter you're Renee Zellweger any day. Oh, jeez. Just change the roles, okay?

44:52Ronnie Karam: Just send the car over the cliff. Just let me get out first. Wait a minute, that's not how that ends.

45:01Ben Mandelker: Doesn't Jay Moore drive a cliff off the edge? No.

45:07Ronnie Karam: Thelma Louise. Thelma, just scratch out Thelma.

45:11Ben Mandelker: Show me the I love yous. Show me the I love yous. Did you know a human brain weighs eight pounds? Help me.

45:20Ronnie Karam: Help you.

45:21Ben Mandelker: Make me famous. You had me at hello, Sierra. You had me at hello. Just call me angel of the morning. Deep cut. It's when Tom Cruise was driving by himself.

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