#3375 In the City S1E1: Time for the Fall

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1:27Ronnie Karam: Hello, Ben. Hello, hello. How are you? Good. Everybody, welcome to the show. Today is the first recap ever of In the City. In the City. I wish they would have just called it The City. I know they can't because there was another show called The City, but The Valley, The City. Keep it consistent, guys, okay, for my sake. But in any case, In the City started, and we will be talking about it. We're doing our cabaret, Forbidden Housewives. It's all the characters we love on Bravo. In New York City, June 3rd and 5th, those shows are sold out. There's three shows on those nights. They're sold out, but you guys should live stream it.

2:08Ronnie Karam: There are live stream tickets available for that. You can buy tickets up until showtime, and you can stream them for a week afterwards. There will be a big chat room in there where you guys can talk to each other, make fun of us, do whatever you want. That's going to be really fun. So go get tickets at WatchWhatCrappens.com or our link in bio on Instagram. And if you want this recap on video or bonus episodes or ad-free listening, or you want our weekly newsletter, which is free, you can sign up for that for free over at Patreon.com slash WatchWhatCrappens. And today, In the City, Season 1, Episode 1, titled The City.

2:48Whoa, it's finally here. We're in the city after years and years of us requesting more time in the city with the Summer House people. We have received it, sort of, because it's not happening during Summer House as with a whole different group of people. But, you know, it's kind of what we want. And I loved it. I'm going to say this right now. I loved it. I thought it was a great premiere. I was on board. I liked the dynamics. I liked the way it looked. I liked the vibe. I liked the buttons. I liked the zipper. I liked the pocket.

3:19Ronnie Karam: it i like the buttons i like the pleading yeah um i liked it too i mean i think i'm gonna like it you know i think good it's you know for me it's just a lot of kyle and amanda bullshit right after summer house which i mean i can only imagine how they feel because geez it's a lot of terrible couple um and it is worrying me a little bit just to start that it's so the valley because this is like, okay, we're growing up now, so now we move and we all force each other to have babies, you know? And we see how that's working out on The Valley. And I just watched the screener for this week's The Valley.

4:00Ronnie Karam: And let me just say, not great. It's not working out great for anybody. So I'm hoping that this show doesn't fall into just a pit of misery like that show has. But I enjoyed it. I thought it was a great first episode. I thought it was great. I also love that, yes, it is basically the valley for Summer House, but these people all feel like they are doing things with their lives, and I appreciate that. So, they're all... True. You know, they're all like, they have careers. I mean, not to say that Luke wanted to go fishing isn't a career, but they have ambitions. They have... They have fashion. They're all dressed really well.

4:40Ronnie Karam: They're all like going to nice places that we would want to go to and not places with floor tiles on the wall. You know, I mean, it's definitely a step up for sure. Yeah, I mean, for sure, we're going to hate probably many of them the way we hate people on the Valley. But it just feels like they live in a different world. Whereas you go to the Valley and it's like, oh, Jesse Lally, former model who now does real estate. And Danny Zuko, who appeared on The O.C. and now does voices for zombie video games. And is a terrible person. And here's someone else who tried in entertainment and now is kind of doing this thing instead.

5:16Ronnie Karam: Janet. Yeah, like a personal assistant for Sheena who has a ball pit in her house. Yeah. Jason is a lawyer, though. We give him credit there. And it's not to say that there's any more merit for having some sort of professionalism versus non. Everyone's allowed to have nontraditional careers like we do. But it's just very funny watching it on In the City. It's not career shaming. I mean, it's like lack of glamour shaming. You know what I mean? Because this one is something you want to watch. This is like, oh, wow, these are people who are doing well. Like, you want to dress like them and go to the places they're going to.

5:50Ronnie Karam: None of that is happening on the Valley. It just sort of seems at first blush like these are people that may just have a little bit more substance to them. And I don't know, like, people in the Valley. Like, I'm sorry. Michelle Lally, perhaps, would be a good example. sorry to be threatening with these comparisons anyway the point is not threatening the point is talk about in the city I thought it was really good and I really liked what was going on here yeah so we've just left summer house so Amanda and Kyle are driving home and it's like really sad and they're looking at street signs and talking about how much their relationship sucks and um we suddenly out of nowhere the font has changed on our television.

6:39We have transitioned into a new show. We have a serif font, ladies and gentlemen. In the summer, we have sans serif. But in the fall, the serif arrives. We're in the sophisticated world of a serif fonted show.

6:54Ronnie Karam: Trixie Monocle's here, which is nice. I love when she makes an image. Trixie Monocle has appeared back on Bravo. I think she's out of rehab and writing music again for the shows because there was one show this week that had a song that goes something like this. Oh, Oh, it should be illegal to be this blessed. It should be illegal to be this blessed. And I was like, yes, my girl is back in action. It should be illegal to be this blessed. Yes, Trixie. This one is take a breath and close my eyes. All the lows and all the highs. Wow. Yeah. Exciting. It is. I love Trixie. I love hearing her back on TV.

7:35she did a lot of personal inventory in her rehab and she's come out her music's a little you know doesn't have the same edge you know it's like with Alanis she was best when she was angry at someone but we still appreciate her for the for what she represents so Trixie welcome back

7:53Ronnie Karam: yeah I mean I do miss Trixie's girl era where every song was about being a girl like I like being a girl I'm a girl on the street a girl on a crosswalk I'm a girl who sees cars in the stream says stop cause I'm a girl or being a boss I'm a boss I'm a boss I'm a girl who's a boss walking down the sidewalk all I see are people at loss cause here comes a boss and it's me B O S S I'm a boss I'm a boss boss boss I'm a girl who's a boss love her so now we're in New York City we see the Statue of Liberty um He's like, does my armpit smell? Anybody? Anybody? Very working girl coded. Very working girl coded.

8:40And honestly, that's the sort of coding that works for me. Okay? More like working for Ben, girl. Because I was like, just please, please play Let the River Run. That's all I need right now. And then this show, I'm hooked for the next 10 years. Just get that Carly Simon going. This is a whole segment about our audience who is too young to know what the hell I'm talking about, which is a shame.

9:02Ronnie Karam: there at the river run there you go there it is for you kids so Amanda is riding solo into midtown and she's like I can't imagine my life without Kyle but no matter how badly I want to fix this relationship I'm not sure I can something has to change I need time by myself I'm going to a hotel now she'll be able to imagine life without Kyle which is life without hearing coming out of uh airpods hey man you want to hear this crossfade no no kyle's driving solo and he's fidgeting around and and she pulls up to a hotel and he pulls up to his apartment alone it's like they're going separate ways and of course it was just like a really sad moment on on summer house but they had to segue out of that so now that they've like arrived at where they're sleeping tonight then all of a sudden the music is going from like a mournful divorce music to New York!

10:06New York, New York. Gossip Girl was here once. New York, New York. It's fun.

10:13Ronnie Karam: And it's January 2026, four months later. SummerHouse's Kyle and Amanda have broken up. We see headlines popping up on screen about the breakup, and then we see a clip of Watch What Happens Live with Amanda and Sierra being the guests, And Andy's asking, who do you think is going to start dating first between you and Kyle? And she's like, me. And Sierra's like, yes. And then now it's March 26th. And Kyle is on there. And Andy's like, Kyle, what's your reaction to the Amanda and Wes rumors? And Kyle's like, I don't think there's any merit to it. And now we go to another episode where Wes was famously a guest.

10:56Andy's like, what's your reaction to the rumors about you and Amanda? I mean, that's like a friend. And it's like, I'm a friend. I'm a boy. I'm a little boy. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um.

11:09Ronnie Karam: Then we see on screen headline after headline about rumors being confirmed that West is, in fact, sticking his gummy bear into Amanda. And so we see sirens in the city noise and all this stuff. And now it's April 9th, 2026. And we've shot a new scene for this so we can get the aftermath of what happened. You know, they're trying to do like a Scandaval type thing where it's like, oh, show it and then rewind, rewind. And we see Kyle in his apartment. And we know he's upset because he is vigorously scrubbing the cutting board. Very depression scrub coated. He had just sliced a can of Loverboy open.

11:51So he's really out of his mind. I got one of those cool Japanese knives

11:57Ronnie Karam: I don't want to mix the lever board cutting board Up with the steak cutting board And get food poisoning Monk fruit poisoning So Amanda enters With the dog rider Oh wow still got that key of yours Yeah Okay here's a You're eating you look skinny I'm worried about you I'm worried about me too So Amanda a Chiron creative director of her own misery, perhaps. And they sit on the sofa. I'm like, what is she the creative director of? I don't know. I've never heard that. I guess I've heard it in the bikini. Lover boy terms. I guess she's the lover boy, I guess, right? She's a creative director of lover boy.

12:39Ronnie Karam: And her, didn't they only come up with that logo? Well, I guess you do other things. And then they steal that logo. Anyway, the point is she's a creative director. Deep thoughts. I'm watching crap. I know. What do you do? I guess they do a lot of stuff like Instagram posts and stuff like that. Like our new flavor is coming out. The new flavor is called Amanda. Okay, well, that's not an actual flavor name. Okay. So Kyle's like, well, I joined a new gym and I pulled my back doing deadlifts. So I want to be there for you through all this. But I also want to clear a few things up. which is that if you thought my back was in good shape, it's not.

13:20Aren't you glad I opened up with this anecdote about the gym? No, Kyle, I don't care about your deadlifts. Well, you should because I'm a man.

13:29Ronnie Karam: What every woman wants to hear when you've left them and they want you to be doing better. And you're like, well, it started working out more. So that's good. It was actually a free gym. All I had to do was pierce my ear and get a Corvette. So I'm really excited. saying well and he says well you know over the summer it looks like you were just done with me which it did it did look like that over the summer um because we just watched that show and amanda's like whoa that's so frustrating to me because i like gave our relationship everything i had um did you did either of you i can't with these this conference i'm sorry i'm already bitter starting off this because we just finished 17 or 18 episodes of summer house so I've heard it.

14:11Ronnie Karam: Okay. I'm sick of both of you. So she's like, you know, the, the thought of you not existing in my life was so impossible for me to wrap my head around. And it was so hard to call it quits, but then, you know, it got so messy. And I was afraid that when we did just end it, we'd be out of each other's lives forever. And like, I couldn't handle that Kyle. I couldn't handle that. I haven't been able, I haven't had to pay rent in three years, which we find out later. Well, I wouldn't leave either. That's an expensive apartment. Shit. If I didn't have to pay three, if I didn't have to pay a mortgage for three years, I would stay in a relationship with a DJ who stayed out all night.

14:46Ronnie Karam: Fuck. Yeah. By the way, jumping ahead. I do think it's a little fucked up that Kyle, a charter background. You guys were like married. It's like a joint expense. I'm sorry. I don't think that's fair. Anyway, Kyle's like, there are points during summer and fall where you just, you weren't just like one foot out the door. It looked like you were fully out the door. Yeah, Kyle. It was also, it's been a few years when she, what clue do you at clue do you into the fact that she was out the door was it when she said i want to live in a hotel yeah i think i kind of got the sense you were over me a little bit yeah but he's basically saying like this whole summer we shot summer house i didn't realize you were already broken up with me in your head which apparently you were um because now you know of course the rumors are that she was banging west that whole time and so she's now raising her voice crying and she's like i know i was doing i was done i was tired i had nothing left in me to fight but i still gave it everything i had he's like well can you say that like through thanksgiving what you know like was there an emotional affair with west nothing's happening i heard things i heard things i heard things stop doing your good fellas on me okay i was so committed to you the whole fucking time and for you to even question my faithfulness in any capacity fucking hurts well amanda of course he's gonna question you know you're in a you're in a scandal right now of course she's gonna question your faithfulness you were lying about who you were hooking up with for a long like you were lying to everybody for a long time so it's not crazy to think that you were lying and since you're the one to shame somebody else about this later you are still technically married to kyle and i would not even hold that against you but you're holding it against danielle in about five minutes so you're a hypocrite wow and a liar so it's not crazy and also her reaction to this i i know that her reaction is partly frustration because she's kind of like the number one villain in the world right now or in america in this world right now but um your reaction is not helping like i would never why would you think You're acting guilty.

16:56Ronnie Karam: Guilty. Well, I had a one-night stand. Because she says, by the way, I wouldn't step out or cheat when I've been cheating on. I've been cheated on by you. He's like, well, mine was a one-night stand. He's like, Kyle, you mean I was someone when we were married? And he goes, says who? She goes, there's a video. He goes, okay.

17:17Ronnie Karam: Checkmate. I think that was the best part of the whole thing to me. I don't know why that made me laugh. There's a video. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah. Has he seen the video? Does he know there's video? Or does he just know that she knows? She says there's a video. Because we still haven't seen this video. I just want to say. Not to say that I doubt that Kyle. Kyle's probably made out with hundreds of people. And can't. You know, at his DJ gigs. You know, whatever. So, anyway. She's like, well, my point is I would never do that. And he's like, oh, okay. You're not a bad person. But you were reckless, if I'm being honest.

17:52Ronnie Karam: I'm going to say if I'm being honest a lot. But I am still trying to be a good friend to you through all this because I worry about your mental health. Okay? That's not your responsibility, but I do appreciate that. So now he's crying. He's like, everything I do for you from here on out is because I care about you. Not because I'm trying to rekindle things. It's because I care. God knows I don't want to rekindle. God know how much ass I'm getting out there on the road. Man, I just did a DJ gig at Lodi. Oh, my God. I had a threesome. Talk about a load in the eye. Right? Kyle, can you focus again?

18:23Ronnie Karam: I was dead lifting ass. That's how I hurt my back, okay, if I'm going to be honest. Did a show on Manhasset. More like this man has it. Manhasset, yes.

18:38Went up to Scarsdale, did a great DJ gig there. I was scarred from too much sex. I don't know. I ran out of puns, okay? But I did a gig in Scarsdale. That's the point. Right off of 84.

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21:27Ronnie Karam: um why can't i do the same fucking way kyle we still love each other because there was a version of us that did fall in love for a fucking reason okay you need to you need to you're you're the one in the wrong okay you need to flip this this attitude okay because in the earlier episodes we've watched we've always been on your side because you've been in the right for those episodes, but you've just been caught fucking West for God knows how long. You need to stop the yelling for now. You don't have the high ground at the moment. You're going to turn this city right around if you don't stop yelling.

22:01We're going home. Kyle is like, Colin Taylor on my dick tunnel.

22:07Ronnie Karam: That's where I'm going to be going after this. Again, Amanda says we did fall in love with a version of us that we fell in love with for a reason. And he's like, and that's what makes me upset because someone else gets that version of you that I fell in love with. Now, they didn't spend any time on this line. I thought this was a very interesting line to Kyle. It's something you hear in breakups. I usually hear it from my girlfriends who are like, I trained this man. Like, I'm the one. He's like complained that I was a nag. He complained that I was this that I was bossing him around, whatever.

22:40Ronnie Karam: But I turned him into like a decent person. Then he goes and cheats on me. And now this girlfriend has the well-trained version that I trained. You know, so at first it sounded kind of like that sentiment to me. But I think what he means is Amanda's seen all over the place going out and partying with West. I mean, she's having the best time. She's going to bars. She's drunk. She's doing – she's kind of living the life like Kyle wants from her. Because Kyle's only happy with Amanda when she's drunk and they're out. We see them partying. That's when they've been happy on Summer House. And he hates that he's still living that lifestyle and she's not.

23:17Ronnie Karam: She's like, I just want to be home and watch Netflix, which I think is valid, by the way. But he doesn't want that lifestyle. And I think what he's saying here is I see you living the lifestyle I've wanted from you all this time, but you're doing it with somebody else. Like, why is it OK for you to go live that lifestyle with West? But with me, you demand I'm home at a certain time watching Netflix. Right. Right. Well, it's like even more sort of like directly the girl that he fell in love with, like that personality, whatever, whatever she was presenting as then that went away. And then now all of a sudden it comes back and he doesn't like, he's like, that's what I, this is the car that I bought.

23:54And now, and my cars had like transmission issues all these years. And now I saw it and now the car's working again. And that's not fair because I really liked that car.

24:02Ronnie Karam: You just reversed Lemon to me. yeah it's like the lemon unlemoned itself but it's a pretty profound thing sort of um so basically what i'm saying is that what i'm saying is that amanda is a jalopy no i don't mean it that way i mean it's just like i i understand what you say it is the total inverse of the example you said about your girlfriends and what you've heard before of like i made this i moved this person now that everyone gets a better version he's like no no no i lost the good version. I want the good version back. Anyway, speaking of going back, we're going to rewind to September. So now we're back in September of 2025.

24:39And we're at Lindsay's apartment. And her big ass apartment and her baby.

24:49Ronnie Karam: Is that what you call it? FIDI? I didn't know she lived in the financial district. Who lives that far downtown? I'm surprised. CEOs and founders. Sorry, Daniel. So Gemma's there. Gemma's a big star. Gemma has a lot of time on this episode, and she is actually very expressive. She definitely is a baby. She's pretty cute. Yeah. She is a cute little baby. Oh, my gosh. Well, there are no ugly babies. You know, I feel that. That's not true. There are ugly babies. It's not true. There are some damn ugly babies. There really are some ugly babies, but I do believe that you should never call a baby ugly.

25:24Ronnie Karam: To its face. to its face behind its back all the time because it can't get mad at you it can't be like you've been saying this behind my back say it to my face like sorry if you if you could say more than goo goo gaga sure you have a point but exactly yeah when you're old enough to pay taxes you're old enough to judge me for calling you ugly i feel like the only people that you can say like that baby's really ugly i feel like the only people you should really ever say that to is like the parents of the baby. Because they're the ones who can do something about it. Yeah. There should be a podcast about talking shit about babies.

26:01Be like, oh my God, I met this baby today. So stupid. It's Cheerio on the floor. Like, hello, that Cheerio is for you. Okay, catch us after the break.

26:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah, just rape babies. I'm in. Let's go recap babies. Yeah, Sally, yes. Instead of look who's talking, look who's being stupid. and just about babies. Look who's not talking yet. Yeah, look who's not talking yet. Wow, wait for your babies to not be able to speak. That might not land well. You know what? Neither do babies. Okay, here we go. Why are the babies flying the planes? They will be soon, the way this country is going. Non-union babies. Your next pilot. Okay, so Lindsay is talking to the baby, and she's like, since becoming a mom, life has become chaos, and there's no doubt that Gemma is my daughter.

27:00Ronnie Karam: Like, the way I give a death stare, Gemma gives the death stare. And we see that Gemma does give Lindsay the death stare. Baby's like, I am activated, Wawa. How many peas have you crushed for me lately? How many planes have you landed in the hangar? So, Lindsay's saying, like, my friends are all entering a new chapter of adulthood, but I'm just wondering if I'm ever going to have sex again. It's been nine months, okay? I would have had sex right now, and I got the clear from my doctor, but then I got dumped, okay? Because my vagina used to shoot rainbows and butterflies and sandwiches all the time.

27:39Ronnie Karam: So, I don't know. Has she ever said this clearly, that she just got dumped? I didn't know that that guy dumped her. She hasn't. I don't think so. I should say in the media that I have seen, I have not seen her say it. Maybe she said in some interviews. Yeah, but we see flashbacks of her being sexy. And she says that she got broken up with and it's been a while. And she couldn't have gotten through this year without her support system. She's got her nanny Liz and all of her girlfriends. And then her nanny comes in and she's so cute. I mean, this is how you get along with babies. This is a good nanny because she comes in and she's like, hello.

28:16Ronnie Karam: I know. I love Liz I love Liz She knows what she's doing It was so cute This is how adults want to be greeted You know people like take this away from you When you become an adult I remember the first time I went to a cousin's house Their mom used to always be like Ronnie hi Ronnie And the first time I was old enough that I went over And she was like oh hi Ronnie And I was like crushed I was like really I don't get any like Ronnie's here It's just like, wow, it's Ronnie. I never wanted to go to that fucking cousin's house again. And, you know, I will never forget Sue. Oh, wow. Wow. Sue, you're on blasts for losing enthusiasm.

29:01Looks like, Ronnie, you want the version of Sue you fell in love with.

29:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah. What happened to that Sue? I don't know if Sue, well, you become seven and suddenly you're just Ronnie again. says uh suddenly sue sin um okay so lindsey's talking about how like she's relying on her support system which includes liz who we love icon liz and also her friends and speaking of friends we see a flashback as an example of her friends to lindsey and she meets up with yvonne at like a one of these like toddler places and yvonne is like so is this brunch i thought we We're doing something fun I mean This is fun But like Actually like The way I'm gonna trail off Is supposed to imply It's actually not fun at all And I'm lying to your face Well Yvonne's been my best friend For 13 years And when my ex and I broke up I went right to her house And she was like Milking my tits While drinking tequila Oh my god Yeah She like totally forgot Her breast pump In a home And so I'm there Like milking her boobs And calling my husband Telling him It's not a good time To come home Whatsoever so now the women are sitting on the floor in a circle and um we meet georgina lindsey's other best friend and dermatologist and so they're talking about nick yvonne's like nick and i went out the other day the other night the wine was flowing and georgina's like one of the best parts about being a mom is that you still get to parent like while hung over it's amazing i'm crazy georgina i'm georgina but i also still have a lot of fun my life is a disaster my ex left me when i I was 32 weeks pregnant.

30:39Ronnie Karam: I'm alone with a toddler, a dog, a broken ankle. Don't even ask in the cold of New York City. So I went a little crazy. I'm surprised I'm not on Snap. They didn't say how she went crazy, but I feel like that's going to be something special for us. A little gift for us on a later episode. By the way. When she went crazy, you mean? Yeah, we don't know what she did when she went crazy. Oh, yeah, I need to know. And I need to know how she broke her ankle, too. Does that have something to do with it? She kicked in a window at the Capitol. She was an insurrectionist, wasn't she? I went so crazy, I started tap dancing on a subway grate.

31:15Ronnie Karam: Next thing you know, broken ankle, toddler on my shoulder, another one in my arms, another one in my belly. At least I don't have pores. You can't see my pores. I mean, I wouldn't say it was crazy what I did. I mean, did I bum rush the stage at Les Mis and kick Jean Valjean in the nuts? And I said, you want to talk about Les Mis and Rob? How about being dropped when you're 32 weeks pregnant? But I mean, I thought that was fun for the audience personally. Anyway, they fell off the stage into a tuba. And next thing you know, broken ankle. Yeah. So here's what we know so far. Lindsay was with a guy who dumped her, what, right after she had a baby, I guess?

31:53Ronnie Karam: Yep. And then Georgina had a guy who left her at 32 weeks pregnant. We find out later that this Yvonne's husband is completely disinterested and checked out. and doesn't even know when she's out of town for a week. The men are not looking great on this show. I'm just going to say, it looks like we're going to be carrying over the valley tradition of terrible men. If you're looking to this show for any hope in love and long-term relationships, you're in the wrong place. I mean, the good news for Yvonne is that the breakup is trending sooner and sooner. So maybe she'll break up with her man before there's even a baby situation.

32:34that would be nice also I just want to say R.I.P. R.I.P. to Lindsay and Yvonne because we all know on a reality show when someone says so and so has been my best friend for 13 years that is the beginning of the end of the friendship and by season two they will hate each other so it's been lovely seeing you guys as great friends and we wish you the best. It's over.

32:59Ronnie Karam: We see past Yvonne in this episode Danielle And also, what happened to Gabby? I mean, I'm assuming she's still friends with Lindsay, but why don't we ever see Gabby anywhere? I was thinking that. Why wasn't Gabby at Softbar? Honestly, why wasn't Mia at Softbar? Maya, sorry. Why wasn't Maya at Softbar? Hopefully, she's at home making my cookies that I never got still. Where was Jacqueline the Fit Model? I'm never going to let that go. I know. But we did determine that they were stolen off of your porch, right? I think they probably were. because she actually did show me a mailing label. She's like, I swear to you, I'm trying to send you these cookies.

33:38Ronnie Karam: And then we did have a lot of mail theft in my neighborhood where I was getting cards from my Meemaw that were open. They were taking the money out of my birthday card because, yes, I was still getting$10 every year from my grandma, from my Meemaw. So, yeah, I think someone ate them and stole them. So that's really not her fault. It's not. Probably, if they were ever sent. You know what? I think we both deserve to have a cookie today. I think that's what we've learned. God, I would love a fucking cookie. You know, I'm going to see about getting my waddle done this afternoon, and I'm so nervous about it.

34:12Ronnie Karam: And the reason I have to get my waddle done, other than the fact that I'm old, look, here's my waddle. Why are you nervous? I talk about it all the time. Because it's terrifying. They're going to cut my fate. You know, it's scary. And also, the reason I have a waddle is because I lost a lot of weight. I've lost almost 200 pounds over the past four years. So I've lost a lot of weight, which is great, but it's left me just like hanging. So now I have like hanging stuff everywhere. So anyway, I'm going to get my waddle done. And I'm so nervous that all I've been thinking about all day is cookies.

34:42Ronnie Karam: And I'm like, but then you're going to gain the weight and then you won't need the waddle done. But then that'll save me some money. But it'll also save me from getting my face cut off. It's a whole conundrum. Don't be nervous about getting your waddle done. I mean, Tamara gets her face done every six weeks. Okay. Like this is just like nothing. I need to think about it like that. because the housewives really do. I mean, Kyle comes back with two faces a year now. She's had two faces this year on Beverly Hills and they all look great. Like, how do you take the pain? How do you take it? It'll be fine.

35:13It'll be fine. You'll have a few days of soreness, I'm sure.

35:19Ronnie Karam: I'm looking at Gabby's Instagram now. God, she's gorgeous. I love Gabby and I miss Gabby and I want her back. Her first one is, her first picture is dressed as Colonel Sanders. from Kentucky Fried Chicken, which is funny. And then she's at a game of some kind. She's watching tennis. Oh, yeah, she loves tennis. And then the rest of them are her looking gorgeous. She has one of her and Lindsay, though, from, let me see. Okay, so Lindsay's still friends with her, but that's from over a year ago. 62 weeks. So I don't know. I kind of feel like Gabby, once she left, they were like, okay, well, nice knowing you, Gabby.

35:54But I think I saw her in the background of something actually like yesterday, which is why I was thinking of her. so i know she still circulates around but she was also i don't know i was a little surprised that

36:03Ronnie Karam: we didn't see more gabby yeah i want to know okay i'm sorry back to this show guys waddle and gabby aside let's come back so now we see um we lindsey says she wants to show jemma a strong female role model and that does not require relying on a man because clearly we can't so now she's going to go to Brooklyn Fair, or as it's spelled on its sign, Brooklyn, B-A-P-A-V-E-K-L-Y-N Fair, because their sign is probably too small. But in true Manhattan fashion, it's too far to go to Brooklyn, so they go to a place. The place is actually in Greenwich Village. It's like, this is exported from the faraway, imported from the faraway land of Brooklyn.

36:49So she and Gemma and Amanda are strolling through this grocery store and they're looking at all these different snacks and Amanda's like, oh my God, does Gemma like these? My dogs love these snacks. I'm sorry, Amanda says that. Amanda apparently has been feeding beets, blended, oh, it's blended beef. I thought it was blended beets. I thought she was serving.

37:10Ronnie Karam: No, she's sending, she's giving that to her dogs, which is very fancy for a dog. Blended beef in a bag. I'm like, you suck the beef out. And she's like, does Gemma like those? And she's like, um, blended beef in a bag? She's like, yeah. She's like, no. No. Wants to give their baby blended beef. Blended beef. It's like when a Brady Bunch family gets into a big fight. Blended beef. Think about it. And then you'll say, get it. Gemma gives this side eye. Like, don't give me that blended beef. She really does. Gemma knows what was just said. And she's like, get this trick out of here. And by the way, Amanda feeds the dog the beef.

37:55I'm like, did you, I hope you pay for that. Okay. Oh, it was a flashback. Nevermind. I'm a disaster with recounting this scene. You would think I hadn't watched this, but I actually have watched it. Sorry. I don't have all the details.

38:05Ronnie Karam: I can't believe you don't remember exactly what happened in this grocery store scene. Well, I thought it was beets. I thought it was beets and I couldn't believe that Amanda was feeding beets to her dog. I didn't know that was a thing that dogs like. And then I thought when she was feeding, in my mind, when she was, when they showed her feeding the dog, it was happening in the grocery store. but that did not happen. It was a flashback. Yeah. Well, you know, can you put my brains rotting? It's almost Friday. Kind of. Not really. So Amanda's like, so I haven't seen you since we left summer. Oh my God.

38:37Ronnie Karam: That weekend was like so crazy. And Amanda tells her she stayed at a hotel for like two nights, which fixed nothing, you know? So Gemma is also looking at Amanda with the side. I like loser. I know Gemma. has got it all right all the great reads she really does she's like glad i could skip time with the fun nanny to come hang out with sad sack amanda over here hey amanda why don't you tell her who you've been fucking check this one i was this close to being able to put the square thing in the square hole i swear i had it almost figured out and now a mom says i gotta come to the stupid brooklyn fair grocery store to watch this bitch feed blended beef to her dog thanks a lot um so amanda's like yeah i just didn't want to fall into the old routine of going back to business nothing gets discussed and we're going to couples counseling now and i'm just back at the apartment but she made a really weird comment in therapy she was like oh so like you guys hate each other i was like oh my god has she been listening to us was your therapist gemma was your therapists anyone who has basic observation skills because yes that's correct amanda's like yeah well i want some fruit okay also after that kyle and i talked in the park and he said like maybe i should get my own place and so now we see them on a park bench lindsey but but you met amanda um so yeah the shrink was like i've been doing that today too i don't know why their voices are a little bit the same when she when amanda's really in like sad sack mode But her voice, when I tried to do her voice, I sometimes teeter over into Lindsey Berg.

40:17Yeah. The world.

40:18Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, the therapist said that she should get her own place. And so we see a flashback to a park bench with Amanda and Kyle arguing. And Amanda's like, I feel stupid for wanting you to change when you've showed no hope. And he's like, show no hope. I can't continue to be in our home around you with the way that it's been going. If you're going to keep acting like this, I got to go. We can't be in the same place. And it's like, so your solution is for me to move out? well yeah i mean isn't that the lover boy office as well like isn't that where they have the lover boy offices as well i was actually kind of surprised too that it's just automatically kyle gets to keep the apartment but i'm guessing it's because they have the lover boy offices next door or whatever but it's still weird to be like i need some time away so i'm gonna start living in a hotel and then but now i'm gonna now actually i've decided i don't want to be here anymore so you have to leave the house.

41:12Like it's a little weird. I don't know. I also am surprised she's saying like your solution for me is to move out. I'm like, didn't you want to ask me for space? I don't know. I don't understand sometimes.

41:23Ronnie Karam: So yeah, I just don't understand the divvying of the property, you know, because if you own the apartment, which I don't think, I don't know if they do, but that would be like something that you divvy in a marriage, but maybe this is just a rental. And so she can't afford the, because that's gotta be an expensive as fuck apartment. Oh my God. so maybe that's why he asked for back rent it was almost like a like this way like well no but if it's a background then he would pay her if he was taking over the place and he should pay her no not if she hasn't paid for three years no no but i'm saying theoretically like you're buying someone out and be like okay this will be my space and you gotta go to your place um but i also do contend that i don't think that she should pay rent i really don't i think if you're married it's joint because they're they're married it's like it should be like the the money his money should be her money etc like you may have different but she said that they have she said that they don't do it that way and they keep all their she said on summer house that they keep all their finances separate so she doesn't know anything about his fine because they were asking her about lover boy and how this affects her and she's like i don't care like our finances are separate that wouldn't affect me at all so she's keeping all of her money and all of her influencing money she makes money amanda like we joke about her lack of work but she makes a ton of money doing deals and stuff so i don't know i get it i get it that like you're a couple and that like if he's gonna pay he's gonna pay but if someone knows like hates you and is like fuck you constantly wouldn't you be like well you don't even pay rent because this goes back to this whole you don't do anything like you don't contribute anything.

43:03Ronnie Karam: So who knows what leads to this? I just, I think it's still like, it's not a roommate situation. I don't know. I think it's like a little weird, especially cause she actually professed that she wanted to live in New Jersey. So I don't think she even wanted to live there in the first place. I don't know. I mean, people have different financial arrangements. I get that. It's not a hill. I'm really, I care too much about dying. I just think it's weird. I think it's like, you guys are a couple and like ultimately may have different accounts, may have different sources of income. You may keep your own, you may keep bit separate or whatever, but it's still sort of like your joint thing.

43:35So I don't know. You know what? Who knows? God bless.

43:40Ronnie Karam: I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess I think it's weird, too. I just don't know how it works or how it was separated. But so anyway, they're arguing on the bench. And then she's telling Lindsay about this. And so Lindsay's like, so what did you say when he mentioned you getting your own place? And she's like, well, even Sierra suggested me and him spending time apart, which is kind of funny because Sierra set this whole thing in motion, really. Well, yeah, she just was the person to finally say what everyone else is probably thinking, right? And so Lindsay's like... Over and over to both of them.

44:16Ronnie Karam: Like, she really hammered it into Amanda. Then look what happened. Yikes. Well, you guys haven't been partners for a very long time. Like, you guys are just like now in couples therapy tackling the resentment that Kyle has built up for years. but it might be too late. And Amanda looks at her like, what? Like too late? Commercials, here comes one right now.

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45:54And then we segue over to Central Park Where we see Andrea Ah, Lexi and Andrea We're holding hands Because he's a model And she's a model too And they're being models together Walking through Central Park And Andrea's like I remember the first time We came here together Probably when we first started dating And I remember falling to my knees And going, Lexi

46:14Ronnie Karam: Oh, God, Lexi It's like, yeah In the beginning, right? He's like, oh call me a romantic, whatever you want, but you know when you meet the one. And Lexi, Lexi is the real deal. She's priceless. Lexi! Oh, she's a princess, I should say. Not priceless. But, you know, princesses are priceless as well. I always dreamed of my prince charming and we see a video sequence. We see her getting married in a castle and it's kind of funny because a lot of times on these shows, it's like it's like Rula and and her husband Brian. She's like, he's my Prince Charming. You're like, this guy's not Prince Charming.

46:55This is a fair case. I think like Andrea, strong case for the Prince Charming thing because he is charming and he is hot. They got married in a castle. He's Italian, sexy accent. It's a fair case for the Prince Charming here.

47:09Ronnie Karam: And she's like, yeah, I could spend every second of my day with Andrea. I used to dream about getting married at Disney World in the Princess Castle and then when I got married to Andrea it was in a real castle but in Italy and I was like where's the Matterhorn and they were like this isn't Disneyland and I was like but where's Epcot Center? They're like it's not Disney World either and I was like where am I? Where am I? But then they explained to me what Italy was. And then we see their wedding their photos and how everyone was there. And then Andrea's like, oh, baby Gemma was there. Everyone was there.

47:53Even baby Gemma. But Gemma was in Lindsay's belly at the time. But that was just a rumor at the time. But then Danielle caught the bouquet. So you never know. She might be next. Alexi. And then we go to a tennis court and there's Danielle.

48:09Ronnie Karam: Married people. It's just, Andrea acts like married people do when they get married. And they're like, oh, who's next to get married? like they're so desperate to pull you into their cult you know it's like when someone gets a heroin addiction and they're like just try it just try it like you know mystery less company i don't know what it is but they just want to drag you in there second they do it they're like when are you getting married when are you having a baby come on water's warm so uh then we go over to this tennis court where Danielle is playing tennis with her man, Owen spelled E O I N and, uh, Danielle founder slash influencer founder of what was the name of her app?

48:51It was something like, I don't know, like where is it? Girl, Don was like Don decked Don. I think that, I think it was Don. Don. Yeah.

49:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Oh, that's, you've got a good memory. Don't name an app after. It's funny. All you really had to do is remove one end for it to be a future prediction. Yeah, worked out really well. So Danielle is like, tennis is expensive, so to get lessons for free from this guy over here, he's like, what do you mean for free? Oh, my God. Owen is amazing at tennis, and he's also my boyfriend, and we met nine years ago. and then life happened, aka fame and other relationships and I guess you could say he slid back into my DMs. Yeah, I slid back into your DMs. Well, I guess, I guess you could say you slid back, so I said it.

49:49No, it's an expression you don't actually have to say. If I say, I guess you could say I slid back into your DMs, you don't have to then say I slid back into the DMs, but you said you wanted me to say it.

49:57Ronnie Karam: But I did it. I slid it. What do you want me to do? You want me to slide in or slide out? Which way do you want me to go? I'm so happy. I love this man. She's like, I'm trying tennis. You have to try my things, too. He goes, well, we can make a couple of shitty apps if you want. She's like, oh, yeah, okay, okay. Well, guess what? It's time to start making babies because I'm 37 and I'd love to have a baby by 38. Come on, come on. Whoa, whoa, slow down. You've been dating this man a second. But that being said, she is pregnant. So he's like, well, if you want to do it, I'd love to do it with you.

50:32And I want to do it with you. and she's like well i definitely want to be engaged before that so i don't know my dream engagement we're on the li double r we're about to pull up to the hamptons the train has a emergency we're stopped we're stuck there he gets down on one knee his one knee is in a piece of gum the other foot is in a puddle of beer and he says danielle will you marry me god i would hope that

50:56Ronnie Karam: happens to me please then he slips a pie chart on my finger oh so she's like oh god i would love to be able to share this with lindsey but like last time i spoke with lindsey it was like probably like four months ago i mean it was weird because like we've known each other so long i mean god i took a glass to the chest for her and we see a flashback sierra throwing the red wine glass Danielle's chest. And she's like, I'm like, what did I do? Oh, gee, I don't know, Danielle. Maybe watch the last couple of seasons you were on. What did you do? Do you have a TV? Now let's go to Tribeca, up and coming Tribeca.

51:36And we see this guy, Kenny, and he jaywalks. He gets honked at, as he should. And this is Kyle's friend slash venture capitalist. Guys, the people that are making America great, the venture capitalists, don't we love to see what they do to all of our favorite brands ah finally a real hero on this

51:54Ronnie Karam: show automatically fall in love with kenny guys he seems like a real great guy so he sits down with kyle and kyle tells us kenny and i met in the most stereotypical new york way what what would you gay sex clubs oh wait i was gonna say i think it's different for our cultures we had a lot of mutual friends we've known each other about each other for like about 10 years or we've known each other for 10 years and he's like the epitome of well and then kenny goes i'm a work hard play hard guy that's how we really relate because we both have businesses and we like to go out and drink and enjoy the city and uh the producer's like why are you smirking kenny and he's like oh i mean kyle can be a bit of a lush okay so it's hard to team that But, you know, he does have a big personality.

52:41Ronnie Karam: I love Kyle so much. First thing I say about him on TV is that he's a fucking lush. But you got to love him. That drunk idiot. Yeah. So Kenny says, I never thought I'd be the black guy from Michigan who ended up at the investment bank on Wall Street. But here I am, you know, and I'm 15 years later. I start believing I do belong. I left Wall Street to become a venture capitalist investor and ended up investing in Loverboy. Ouch. Am I right? Okay, so they can't all be winners. We'll start off there. So you're saying you're not a good venture capitalist, right? So then Kenny is like, well, so what's going on with your business?

53:19And Kyle's like, well, I had to lay off five people. Kenny's like, okay, well, at a certain point, dude, just like punt it, right? He's like, if I could have sold it, I would have. So Kyle says that like at one point he was promising a 25X return on everyone's investments. But now he basically is like, I'm on the verge of going out of business. I don't know how he's going to sell his company.

53:42Ronnie Karam: If he keeps on going on TV and saying how bad it is, but he is the worst at PR for his company. Oh my gosh. He's like, lover boy sucks. Everybody hates it. Anybody want to buy it? Lover boy's a sale. I guess I'll figure that one. Girl on the side of the road selling lemonade with a sign that just says piss, piss, five cents. Anybody? Any takers? Kyle was just on a podcast this week and he was talking about, I guess, when, when all this scandal broke out that people started buying Loverboy to support him more. Like when you had the episode with Carl, he's like, I have no money. I'm dressed as an old man.

54:16I got no money that a lot of people bought Loverboy. So I think he's kind of leaning in now into like, keep it alive. Buy Loverboy. It's nonprofit. but good attacks.

54:25Ronnie Karam: I love her boy out of pity. So, um, Kyle's like, you know, I pre, uh, Kenny's like, you know, it's a hard place. Let's talk through it. Let's talk through the debt. I love to talk about debt. And Kyle says, well, I appreciate your patience. You know, I need to communicate better both in my business and in my marriage. The summer has been a perfect storm. He's like, well, Oh God, now what's going on with you and Amanda? And he's like, Oh geez, normally whatever, no matter what we come together at the end, you know, know we leave together at the end of the summer but she just went to a hotel and i went home solo and kenny tells us yeah you know amanda's a or he tells kyle that amanda's a great person but you know she's never really been able to meet you where you're at which is you know at the corner of alcohol and ism and you know i think you really deserve somebody who can just get shit-faced with you day in and day out you know i mean you had to go to france giving solo yeah and like that doesn't go unnoticed okay when you show up and you've only got one container of sweet potatoes with you i mean that's just sad and i just feel like three years ago you gave me a similar update as far as your marriage and like you have to ask yourself if the people that you both aren't met today would you still choose to be with each other don't do i already talked about the version stuff Don't bring up the versions.

55:46Because you know what? Whitney wakes up every day with zest for life. She's got great energy. I love Whitney.

55:53Ronnie Karam: When he said this, I immediately said, let me guess. She's a model that's younger than you, and you've been with her for five minutes. You've got to love guys like this. This is so, guys like this. Oh, you need someone like mine. She's always so happy. What a zest for life. Yeah, because you haven't sucked it out of her yet. Let's see by the time you're done with her. Let's see in year three how this is going, buddy Who actually even says That someone has a zest for life? Are we like in 1952? Well, she has a real zest for life That's what he sounds like Like, oh wow, I found the perfect woman Always happy, never argues with me And has a zest for life Yeah, so here comes Whitney And of course, she is gorgeous Tall, gorgeous lady with a dog And she's like, hello, I'm from Minnesota And I'm just a sucker for love I love love Doesn't matter.

56:44She says she's from Minnesota, so it's in her. It'll come out. I meant to be a mom and a wife and a hot dish maker. Okay, that's why I did The Bachelor. Of course, it was Minnesota Bachelor, so I just wound up dating a bunch of pine trees, but it's okay.

56:58Ronnie Karam: You did a lot of cheese. I did a lot of cheese curds that season. Yeah, that's okay. Luke for governor or whatever he's running for. I really, by the way, yes on Luke, no on Spencer Pratt. Just want to say that. I really wanted to find love, so I was one of eight of the original 30 girls that lasted. And it was scary moving across the country for someone for the first time. But I wouldn't do it if I didn't believe Kenny was my person, or at least pretty wealthy. Wow, what a coincidence. An ex-Bachelor contestant shows up to move in with her boyfriend the same week they start shooting a TV show.

57:34Ronnie Karam: This is crazy. I'm sure it's love, Whitney. I'm sure it's love, Whit. um apparently i recapped her season on um uh the podcast i used to do rose pricks about the bachelor but i don't remember whitney at all so i don't know that that bodes well but you know i also don't remember things so who knows so kenny's like yeah she's happy and positive but my fear is not working out or me hurting her in some kind of a way because you know they're whenever whenever there's that initial spark or that, like, Oh, I found my person. And Kyle goes, yeah, instant boner. Yeah. But for me, like, is she the one it's tricky?

58:13It's like not instant boner. Yeah. Cause like, Oh yeah. Okay. Sure. So now we go to a place that was named after a lovely lady who had a place called Edna's edibles. They go to a bar called the Garrett and it's a speakeasy that is behind a five guys in the West Village. And Kenny's like, Garrett is a New York institution. It's a speakeasy that also sells really delicious brownies and cookies. And it requires you to go through a burger shop just to get there. And I love it. And I'm not just saying that because my friend owns it. The password is to me,

58:49Ronnie Karam: Blair!

58:52Apparently George Clooney is coming here all the time.

58:58Ronnie Karam: So we see that this is owned by Gavin. And this is... Garrett. Oh, Gavin, sorry. Garrett is owned by Gavin. Yes. And Nick, Yvonne's husband. So these are two guys on the show. Wait, wait, wait. Two guys in nightlife? Well, I'll tell you one thing. Yvonne and Nick, that is a forever couple right there, knowing that she's married to a guy who's in nightlife. This is going to totally work, guys. I assumed that he was like a metal worker in Brooklyn or something from the previews. Doesn't it look like? Why did I think that? It looks like they're like in a Brooklyn loft or like an antique store or something.

59:40Ronnie Karam: I didn't know he worked in advertising. He sort of had the look of someone who's like pitching, you know, some sort of like non-exciting advertising thing. like a marketing plan for some B2B thing, like information systems that way a tuna canning company knows how to reach their customers better. I don't know. Well, so that job that you just described, I have as much interest for that as Nick shows in Yvonne, basically, if that explains it to anybody. She's like the tuna canning distribution marketing firm to him. So Nick's like, yeah, our friend group is made of a lot of people in different situations, which is amazing.

1:00:25Ronnie Karam: It's amazing. And everyone's like, yeah, we met Andrea and Lexi through Lindsay. Realize our lives are, like, very similar to theirs. We got married within a few months of each other. Like, we're talking about starting families. They're going to probably actually do it. Nick is going to pretend he has a cold and disappear someplace for months at a time, not tell me where he's going. so it's going great for about similar similar similar couples that's what i'm saying so yes so they're all gathering this is their cnm's fire it's their cheers it's their whatever bar people go to uh in pop culture and uh it's the is their central perk um with booze soft bar central bar central so they're all waiting everyone's gathering at the garret and then the where's where's kyle where kyle and amanda well guess what kyle and amanda have just emerged from the subway tunnel uh and if they come upstairs and kyle's like well not the greatest sign that the therapist wanted to meet us again tomorrow and also said seriously you guys get better divorce otherwise i'm hanging up by my therapist going into an artist's commune not a good sign amanda that's it's funny the therapist he just told them oh my god you guys hate each other um yeah you You should probably come in tomorrow and the next day.

1:01:43Ronnie Karam: You know, you just want to sleep here. Why don't you guys just sleep here? Don't leave. How about this? Don't leave therapy. I'm just going to press play on this video and I'm going to walk out. And by the time it's done, I will have moved to a different city. I'm just, I'm not, I'm not doing this anymore. Guys, I've become a pottery person. Quit therapy. I'm in Santa Fe. Yeah. Oh yeah. I've got a poncho. Bye. Did you know Shirley MacLaine is actually a very nice lady? anyway um i'm done being a therapist get out who's that what is this surely who's that surely mcgland she hot she listens to santa fe it's very spiritual uh so mad is like yeah we're moving backwards her words and we're supposed to be taking actions to move things in the right direction but you go dj at a gig until two and then you go out after and then you're home at four o 'clock in the morning the day we have therapy had it with him she's like I'm trying to make this work I'm trying to make it work so we don't call it quits but you're not giving me any help listen if the only way to make this work is for Kyle to not DJ and go out all night it's not gonna work so either you change or Kyle change this another one if he wants to end it I mean so are the people of Nyack just supposed to like not dance you know I gotta help the people oh I'm sorry Is his foot tight?

1:03:06Oh, I'm sorry. I guess the people of Tapan don't deserve any sort of music in their lives. Okay, I'll just stay in with you. Good luck, everyone. Sorry I had to drive over the Como Bridge.

1:03:21Ronnie Karam: Listen, don't leave Hoboken hopeless, okay? And the man is like, I'm trying to make it work. I'm like sweating. I have shit to do, Kyle. He goes, well, you're wearing a raincoat in the summer. It's like, it's not a raincoat. it looks like a rango to me it's a tricky it's a tricky coat it was just like a trench dress kind of thing she goes i don't know what you want well i want some sort of apparel that makes some sort of sense like if you want to wear a ringo wear a ringo but don't wear something that looks like a ringo but it's not a ringo like what's even the point of that that's like booking a gig in union new jersey and then having to stay home i mean look god the name of unions in it supposed to strengthen our union why don't you get amanda we're both struggling in our own ways and i just want to be happy and i want to be with you i want you to be with me well i mean i'm in therapy with you i'm making an effort i'm not going backwards uh it's like god can we just go she says i'm not gonna go meet you guys out i'm exhausted and i'm not gonna put on a face for our friends i'm going home consider this friends giving and every other day for the past 10 years consider this friends getting you and not me hi bye so then he's like okay so now we go back to garrett and um now it says whitney gets to know the new york girls as they talk whitney which one was whitney was whitney the minnesota she's the new model from minnesota okay um and so everyone's like talking and lindsey is talking to kenny and she's like so how long have you and whitney been dating he's like um probably about a year but we took it slow for a while because why would you ever go fast when you've got like a gorgeous supermodel who wants nothing but to just be around you.

1:05:00God, red flag.

1:05:02Ronnie Karam: You know, we met, we started dating a year ago, but it took me about 11 months to realize nobody else wanted to fuck me. So I said, sure, come on. We want to be on a TV show. So Gavin's like, well, Kenny was going around being a playboy with me. And so Kenny's like, okay, don't do that to me on TV. All right. I'm not a playboy. I'm not a fuckboy. I'm not going to fall into that trap. So let me pull out this card. Let me be very clear. my mother was passing so I wasn't the best version of myself I am now insulated from fuckboy rumors thank you very much I no longer have a sick mother so I'm not as horny duh so Ryan who's Lindsay's friend is there and he's like what stage of grief is the fuckboy stage and then Kenny is like honestly she's a doll and we're seeing it look she's a doll with a zest for life and we're just gonna see where it goes oh god him calling her a doll when i feel like that's literally how he's going to be treating her and you can just read it all over this guy you can just tell in his attitude towards her that he's looking condescending doll a fucked all he's gonna be condescending to her and then get her gifts when he feels bad yeah and when she has a problem he's gonna be like what you used to be so happy and joyful what is this it's like you hit this part of yourself from me i just see it coming so lindsey's like um she moved across the country before a ring as a girl that's a lot lindsey you had a baby with the man you knew for five minutes come on you're not necessarily wrong but you are also lindsey so like yeah exactly we sat through a season of strabi okay so kenny is kenny goes whoa whoa lindsey i'm getting i hate men vibes which by the way like literally there's no vibe whatsoever that lindsey is giving of that i think lindsey loves men to be honest and kenny for kenny to be like the moment that there's any sort of like pushback like oh man hater man hater i'm like you sir you and your vc ways you're on my radar right now yeah um but by the way you are giving me those vibes kenny that's like literally the vibes i'm getting right now i hate man hater just yes i'm getting those as i watch kenny i'm like i think i might hate men of course this is right after summer house and i just watched the valley so i've had a whole i've had a whole day of these fucking men so lindsey's like um i'm just alluding to annoying men oh if i like she's not gonna take his shit for two seconds so i like it's like they brought somebody on for lindsey to beat Yep.

1:07:40Yep. And he's like, you don't have to be engaged to move in together. Like, newsflash. Um, I'm just saying, it's a big commitment. When you're moving across the country for someone. And she's basically saying for someone who probably is not going to take this seriously. I think that's what she's saying.

1:07:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, it sounded to me like she's saying, um, be nice to her because that's a huge move. Like, take this seriously and be good to her. And Whitney's like, well, this is like a very expensive chapter for us. So it's nice to do it slow and not all at once. And Kenny's like, yeah, we know what we're doing. We're not rushing it. So Lindsay says, yeah, I'm just trying to get to know Kenny. So like, if you're feeling pressed by me when I'm asking like very generic questions, that sounds like a EU problem. So Gavin's like, are you feeling attacked right now? He's like, well, I mean, there's a panel of people in front of us.

1:08:32And everyone just like laughs. And so then Kyle arrives and he's like, man, it's not going to be here, by the way. And Lindsay's like, okay, so let's, like, talk. Like, Amanda told me after the house, like, she stayed in a hotel for two days. Like, how does that make you feel? You know, what type of hotel was it? Was it good? Was it a good hotel? And he's like, well, despite our ups and downs, we've never not left the hamptons together. I'm getting more and more confused by our couple's therapy. Well, therapy is confusing because you're unpacking years of issues that have gone on address. But you could also just watch the show that you've been on to know exactly that your relationship is doomed.

1:09:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you're fine. And so Danielle comes in and Trixie sings, I bet you miss me, miss me. I bet you miss me, don't you? The Danielle anthem that America sings whenever she shows up. There she is. Who's that? Who's that girl? Oh, my God. Your boss. I'm going to pee. So she leaves. And then Yvonne's like, oh, my God. Are you going to talk to Danielle? It's like, no, I'm sick of giving passes. I don't need negative competitive energy in my life unless it's Gemma. So she's like, every year it's like fucking something and let me just like pull up all the ways that Daniel has annoyed me. And so she pulls out a phone and the producer's like, wait, you have a list on your phone?

1:09:49She's like, yeah, they have it in my phone. I'm like, she's crazy. Meanwhile, I did stay up to 1am writing down a list of things that Danny Zuko has done for the past two years on the Valley, but whatever. So then Lindsay is like, I can't wait till I get

1:10:02Ronnie Karam: there. I know. I am not using my time properly. Lindsay's like, season four, Carl and I tried to date, and then one week later, she's giving my handjob in the back of an Uber. And then, season seven, do I just really need to talk about the engagement? I mean, just flashback already. And then, you see, Danielle's crazy reaction to the engagement.

1:10:26Ronnie Karam: So, back to the bar, Danielle's like, um, she has a new home and i have a new man and all this stuff that's like a big deal like i'm not sharing it with my once best friend that's crazy carl he's like yeah right right okay right right right so lindsey's like um i don't even know that guy's name like owen on off like what's his name

1:10:48tap tap tap tap tap tap hi it's danielle founder of saying hello i just want to say hi and uh You know, I was wondering if maybe you might be open to getting lunch or coffee or getting the tea. Sorry, reflex. But next week or something? Like whenever you're free or not free or whenever you would maybe want to? Should I just go through Gemma's calendar? I don't know. What should I do?

1:11:12Ronnie Karam: Can I think about it? Because I'm a little bit busy these days. It's like dun, dun, dun. And Danielle's like, um, like with a newborn? Um, yeah. Yeah, okay. no no I get it okay uh bye uh Danielle just runs the hell out of there yeah I was like uh I don't really get the issue so many things and then she goes through like her list of you know issues grievances and so Kyle's like well first of all hand jobs suck so just in general I'm just saying like that really sucks by the way to be fair Danielle was with Carl before Carl was with Lindsay so there may have been enough time past that that doesn't matter wasn't with him she hooked up with him right i think they dated oh really i think they full-on dated i don't know it's not that i thought that they just like hooked up or something and then lindsey like dated carl and but lindsey didn't care about any of that when that was happening like she didn't she's adding this to her list now like this is what a shitty person danielle was but she didn't care about that then because they were all running around together all the time and were much more casual about sex and hooking up and stuff at that time anyway so as at least that's how i remember i remember her not really caring she remember this dating thing wasn't even it was like basically he fingered her and then they're like maybe we should have a relationship now that you fingered me and then like it lasted like one night on like a rooftop and they had that weird fight and then it dissolved yeah that's how i remember it too um but yeah lindsey's pissed so she's gonna make a list and if you're on it she's gonna put everything you've ever done onto that onto that list so kyle's like yeah i got a hand job suck but i would pay a lot of money for a hand job and i have to agree i'm not really a big hand job person um so then i know that everybody was wondering so there you go everybody guess what not to get me for christmas hand job thank you so we go to tribeca now and yvonne and lindsey are going to georgina's dermatology office to get her for girls night yeah lindsey's like um you don't have clothes just come in your scrubs and she's like um are you kidding i have like everything in here i have like a human abode look at this i have dresses condoms lollipops like what else do you need you guys it's so refreshing to have mom friends like georgina just gets it she has like a full dermatology practice to try becca i love my mom friends oh sorry ivan ivan's like thanks a lot Thanks for rubbing that into me that we don't have a child yet.

1:13:48So Georgina says, a lot of the time, I'm like, look how cool I am living in Tribeca. I'm a germ, raising kids, restraining order against the cast of Les Mis. Like, look at me. I'm doing it all. And then, like, there are other times where I'm like, my daughter, Eloise. Of course, my daughter's named Eloise, by the way. Of course. My name's Georgina. How do I not have a daughter named Eloise? She looks me dead in the eye and says, she's like, just takes a bite of dog food. So, yeah. You know what I did? I just looked at that nutrition, the nutritional facts, and I said, you go, girl. Have that dog treat.

1:14:18Go fucking nuts.

1:14:19Ronnie Karam: It's pure protein. So Georgina does, in fact, have a cute little dress in a cabinet that she can pull out to go out, which I loved. And Lindsay's like, oh, my God, Mill City. So now we get girl pies. We're girls going out. We're girls who are going out. out. And so, Lindsay, Georgina, and Yvonne sit in a corner and chat, and Amanda's on her way, and Lindsay's like, um, things with her and Kyle are not good. Like, they're just living very separate lives, and he was telling me that she hasn't paid rent in three years. And Yvonne's like, he didn't care? No, but then he tallied it all up and charged her last week.

1:14:59I shit you not. And we see a flashback. Yeah, we see a flashback of Amanda. By the way, if your marriage is crumbling and trying to save it, maybe don't invoice your wife for back rent. I don't know. But Amanda is, yeah, she basically says, like, she paid, like,$117 ,000 to Kyle. So now Amanda shows up to this rooftop bar, and Lindsay's like, I'm not gonna lie, I was catching them up on you, we were talking about you, yeah. I was like, okay, well, rule one, though, of the night, no talking shit about me or anything bad. I want to hear about your problems. I need the gossip. I need the tea. I need the drama.

1:15:39Ronnie Karam: I don't want to talk about me. Okay, so my plans with Nick. Oh, God, I didn't meet Yvonne. Can anybody else go? So I was like, yeah, well, Nick and I, like, he's decided he's not ready to be a dad. Oh, my God, is he not ready or just nervous? He's a great dog dad. Well, I mean, you know how that works, don't you? Nick and I had a great relationship, but when we first got married, like, hit a few bumps in the road. And I was under the impression that we wanted to start trying for a family But he would consistently push off the conversation So I was so annoyed with him That I was like, you know what, I'm just going to go to San Diego And just not tell him So I hopped on a plane, got a week-long pass for the San Diego Zoo Saw some pandas, fed a giraffe And guess what, he didn't even notice And I'm like, hello, I'm not there I had to show him a few true crime docs afterwards Because I'm like, if something happened to me He'd be the first person under investigation Like, what else?

1:16:37Ronnie Karam: it's crazy that the Valley is also in San Diego celebrating terrible marriages. It's like San Diego is really not winning in the terrible marriage race. It's not. It's not a great moment for San Diego. So Amanda's like, it's always the man that's a problem. I mean, just start turkey basting. Just put a sperm in a turkey basting. So like Katie was telling me about Danielle, guys. Okay, gather around. I've got really good gossip. So apparently Danielle just moved in with this guy that's still married. And we see a Bravo and Cocktails headline. Summer House Homewrecker. Lindsay's former BFF having an affair.

1:17:18She was talking about having kids with him in the fall. What? You're blowing my mind right now. You need to stop. They're like, it's so hypocritical. Who does that? There is the one element to this. is like it is crazy that amanda is the one clocking this when she's you know about to be she is married and she's gonna be you know in a relationship with west or if she isn't already um but i guess the the part of it is that like a man i mean danielle was there had lots of opinions about things moving too fast or timelines etc etc with lindsey and then here she is

1:17:54Ronnie Karam: yeah jacking up with a married guy yep so um then we go to chelsea living room i guess that's a the name of a restaurant and amanda and kyle go for a wedding anniversary scene this is gonna end well you already know this is this is gonna be great so kyle's like yeah it's been a year since we've been on an actual date but there's no way we're not doing something on our anniversary i'm feeling optimistic because you know we made a little progress from just a few weeks ago really you were just told by the therapist you hate each other and you need to come to therapy every day let me tell you something every time he says we made progress it reminds me of like when i'm like installing an app on like my phone or on my computer and i get a progress bar and then it just like stalls out midway through and i keep on looking at it and i start convincing myself that it's actually moved forward a few millimeters i'm like it's yeah no it's moving it's no it's not stuck it's it's going it's going everything's fine we made some progress here it's going to install it's like no there's a glitch in the system and you're just hanging it's over you You have to reboot.

1:18:55You got to reboot. Uninstall.

1:18:57Ronnie Karam: Reboot, baby. Time to upgrade the phone. So Amanda's like, yeah, we're celebrating the fact that anyone said we wouldn't make it to three years without getting divorced was wrong. We made it to four. Well, I know therapy has been no walk in the park, even though we actually did kind of walk in the park afterwards and sat down on a bench. But, you know, whatever. I appreciate you doing it with me. and I just want you to feel like we're moving forward in therapy. Yeah, well, do you feel like we are? Because our therapist literally burned down her office building. She said, I can't do it anymore.

1:19:34I'm broken. Please let me never see these people again. I won't even turn on the TV. So I don't know if we're doing so well with therapy.

1:19:42Ronnie Karam: I don't remember if I gave them three years or five. But now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, did I give them three years? do you ever feel like that? Is the TV talking back to me personally? Some of these someone, one of our great listeners will probably find the prediction, just use some sort of AI bot to look up the transcript. If anyone comes across that episode while you're doing a re-listen, let me know because I know people are right now because of the scandal. Kyle's like, yeah, therapy hasn't been a walk in the park, but we're doing great and she's like are we though because like i've i felt lower than i felt in a really long time like how can i be married to somebody who doesn't even know what a raincoat dress looks like well it hasn't been easy well i know but like no seriously because it's like normally i think a raincoat is just being yellow and shiny and then so it's like why is it even like i don't know it's like it's fashion's like really difficult like maybe there's a raincoat even think it's a raincoat or does it think it's a dress the questions that keep me up at night do they have umbrella dresses Kyle it's just not going the way I really want it to I'm going to move out wow great time to announce it on the anniversary at least I have one final Jesus the man just charged you for back rent you think he's not going to make you pay this dinner bill you could have done this for free do whatever slices you know what I mean geez so she's like and I don't mean permanent And like, this is like a month maybe like to make things better between us.

1:21:18Ronnie Karam: Cause I want to stay together and spend time together like this. It's just hard to have West over if you're in the apartment. Yeah. It's just like, you know, you go to my place. I go to your place and we can have date nights and like spend time together and like maybe not spend time together. He's like, well, it's a lot to swallow, but I'm trying to be open and understanding. And can you just promise me this? If I, if I agree to this. No, it's not your blessing. It's not your blessing, Kyle. It's not a matter of agreement. Yeah, it's my decision. No, and I did love that she said that. It's like, it's not your choice.

1:21:54But it is, it's her choice and it's her indisputable choice to move out. But it's all, but he would have to agree to this whole like, we now date each other. If he's like, I don't know. If you move out, it's done, right? Like, so he does have something to agree to here.

1:22:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think he's just like, okay, it's all you. It's just like, whatever. He's like, well, I'm just, you know, I'm just, I'm not sold on the solution. You know, it feels extreme. I've never heard of a couple, like, separating, you know, to make things better. But maybe it's what we need. I don't know. Hello. It's like all of, like, the cast of Real Housewives of New Jersey. It was, like, Jackie and Jackie's parents, Dolores, Dolores' parents. I feel like that's, like, the constant thing. Everyone has different houses. That's a New Jersey way. Okay, so then some older guys. The hacky squad shows up.

1:22:43The hackies and blue button-downs and white t-shirts.

1:22:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Come over and say, hey, guys, it's our anniversary. And they're like, wow, happy anniversary. And she's like, yeah, it's going great. God, you're such an asshole. Why are you even doing this, Amanda? Just fucking send him an email. Like, don't take the guy out on his anniversary, dump him, and then kind of mock him with other dudes. It's the sarcasm that sort of kills me. That does kill me a little bit. So anyway, it's good to see that In the City is... Yeah, looks like we've got all the pieces in play for a nice toxic season. We'll see how it unfolds. And next week, we are going to finally get into the Summer House reunion with more In the City.

1:23:31So Tuesday nights are going to be going off. But don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. If all this toxicity is too much for you, the good news is the valley is up next so you know

1:23:43Ronnie Karam: God help us talk about sunshine and rainbows it's close to irredeemable at this point but we'll see tomorrow I think it's better now I think it's great but anyway okay everybody thanks so much for being here we'll talk to you next time bye watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors she answered the call it's Adia Paul ain't no thing like Alison King Our way is the Amber way. It's the Foster and the Furious. It's Amanda Foster. It's Always Automatic with Ashley Otto. Put your hands together for Carly Clapp. Get on the right foot with Chrissy Offutt. She's not just a Sheila, she's a Daniela.

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