#3381 Summer House S10E17 Part One: A Wested Development

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1:21Ronnie Karam: Well hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about. on you bruvs i'm ronnie that's ben hello ben hi i'm at your house i know i miss it hello house the voice is coming from inside your house um thank you so much to spectrum for having a massive outage this morning right in the middle of while i was actually having a tirade to ronnie about like i don't even know what i was ranting about it was something really insignificant it was like how like i couldn't get margins to work on canva i think it was actually literally it was literally margins on Canva.

1:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I was like, I don't, they don't allow, they don't have support for tabs. And so then Spectrum said, you know what, let's just shut down this banter. Spectrum said, I know they have a very important episode to record, but this is, we cannot be using our internet resources for this man to be complaining about his tabs on Canva. So it just shut me down and I had to hop in the car and come up to your place over here. Well, you know, last night I was watching Summer House on YouTube TV because when we have to watch it live i have to watch it on youtube tv and so um youtube tv had some kind of outage the screen just went black and my tv turned itself off twice during summer house and i was what the hell is going on and it was both both times were during ben's speaking and i was like man this even my tv hates this fucking guy so at least i felt like me and my tv were on the same page but i don't know there's some something about summer house where the world is trying to stop us right now.

2:53Ronnie Karam: But guess what? We're not going to stop. We've waited 10 years for this moment. Okay. We started pouring our souls into the show 10 years ago. And now here we are. Summer House is in peak zeitgeist. And there was a time when no one cared about the show. When people would ridicule us for even recapping it. When we would recap the show live, people would say, why are you even touching this show? Why are you not giving us a house live show? And now look at Summer House. It has made it. It has arrived at the as the bell of the ball. And you still hear me? I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? Don't spectrum my tirade.

3:35So sorry. So sorry. Though I didn't really know how to land that plan. So it was actually really helpful that you just helped me crash.

3:42Ronnie Karam: That was such a dick move. I really thought you weren't going to be able to hear me. I'm so sorry. No, it's fine. I do want to say by the way on the topic of Summer House that last night we had a whole bunch of fun quipping live quipping on our Patreon. Patreon has a social media feed and we were on there quipping live and that was really cool so for those who joined along with us thank you for joining and for those who want to join along with us I'm sure we'll be doing it again at some point so you know I mean we do those quippers anyway It was fun and I you know we did it kind of in shifts i did the early show and you did the late show and um you know i've been writing the recap the blog things every week for the newsletter and so i've been getting back into my tv recapper mode anyway but man i'm not really good with like a twitter twitter kind of thing where you're supposed to make them short i wrote them so long i was writing like full paragraphs and sending them but they were great because i went back and read yours after mine to see how like our vibes were different and i was like first of all i was like yours are so funny and i was like mine were so lame and uh really good reading them right along with you pressing the like button well i had to stop pressing the like button because then it would say watch what crappens liked watch what crappens and then that would have looked like you were masturbating so i had to undo some oh yeah it was fun times but yeah it was fun yeah and what else is going to be fun is we're going to new york in two days to do sue to do our cabaret show called forbidden housewives It is the show where we play all the housewives in musical form.

5:16Ronnie Karam: Okay. You know, we're theater kids. We're musical theater kids. And so this is going to be us doing our musical theater thing. I'm so nervous and terrified and excited. So go see it. It's sold out. So you can't come. But if you didn't get tickets, that's okay. You can still live stream it. You can get live stream tickets at watchwhatcrappens.com. That's for June 3rd at 7 p.m. Eastern, June 5th at 7 p.m. and 9 30 p.m. Eastern. And all three of those shows will be streaming. You can buy tickets up until Showtime, but you cannot get them after Showtime. But you can stream it for a week if you can't make it at that time.

5:53Ronnie Karam: So that's that. And also, some Summer House people might be in it as well. Not real ones. Not real ones. Us as Summer House people. Even though it's called Housewives, we don't care. Also, later today, we are going to be doing an Amazon Live. And we're going to be talking about travel essentials or travel, not essentials, but things you might want for travel. So definitely join us for that. Okay. So here we are today is Summer House season 10, episode 17. Reunion part one. I did not listen to all of the leaked audio that came out. I listened to a piece of it, but I'm someone who really doesn't like to be spoiled, even though I know I'm the biggest spoiler on the planet.

6:36Ronnie Karam: I do not like to be spoiled. So I didn't listen to that much. I was saving it. I didn't know all of that much it was going to happen. I was shocked. But two things. A, that Sierra came out like that. I mean, Sierra just came right. Because Sierra's a pretty low-key energy on the show. You know what I mean? And so I thought Sierra would be more like, this really hurt me. You know, kind of a quiet, like, a quiet pain. You know? That's what I thought. No, that was not a quiet pain. And God bless her for it. She did a great job. She killed it. I was shocked that Amanda came out swinging. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

7:14Ronnie Karam: You're upset? Oh, you're upset? Amanda really, Amanda and Wes really, they really just handled this so incorrectly. First of all, with Ciara, I feel like Ciara's actually become more and more outspoken over the years as she has come into her own, as she's become a larger and larger celebrity. I think maybe she's gotten used to being in the public eye and on TV. When she first arrived, she was very, very quiet. But at this point, she's gone through traitors. She's gone through the whole thing. And so she really has just sort of become a bigger and bigger personality. And it was almost like this was the moment.

7:52This was her Matrix moment. She stepped on that stage and all she saw was green code coming down. And she was dodging in bullet time. She wasn't even dodging because nothing was being thrown at her. Green code coming down. That It took me a second. The matrix. The mantrix. Yeah. But I agree. When I was shocked, but was I shocked? Amanda coming onto the show, I would also say Wes, but Wes barely said a word, of course. But Amanda comes on backstage and says, as we will get into, like, I just want to take accountability and clear things up. And she's so contentious with Ciara. it's like your tone amanda should be i'm so sorry for hurting you i understand you're hurt and i apologize and her tone was instead like no no no no no you have it wrong that wasn't true no it wasn't like that it wasn't like that no you're wrong why would you say that what what are you saying about me it's like ma 'am you are not allowed to be on the defense or on the offense you're just not even you shouldn't even be on the field don't even be on the fence okay just

8:56Ronnie Karam: sit there. She did not take her lumps. She did not take her lumps at all, and she established a terrible tone to start the reunion, and I, like, I, did they not have some sort of, like, crisis team to help them out? I mean, or just someone on the internet? Isn't there, like, some Amanda and West apologist who could help them out with this situation? It was just, like, she just, it was shocking. I mean, at a certain point, she just stopped speaking, which was the smartest thing, but, yeah, she was, she was... Well, she reverted She did the stop speaking and then reverted to tears, which, of course.

9:31Ronnie Karam: And I thought that was a big surprise to me because I thought she was going to just use the tears the whole time and be like, I'm just poor Amanda. And, you know, I didn't even know. I just like I fell in love. And, you know, I was in this horrible marriage. And then, you know, I saw love. I thought she was going to go that route. And she instead came out kind of on the defense. Well, on the offense. Anyway, I was surprised. I'll tell you what I was not surprised by at all. was with West. West was exactly what I thought he would be. So that wasn't surprising. But overall, good show. Lots of cringing.

10:09Ronnie Karam: Lots of like, you know. Of course, the only time Kyle stood up for Amanda, you know, we've heard that Kyle stands up for Amanda. And the only time he was like, whoa, Sierra, that's a bit harsh, was when it was insinuating that Amanda has stayed in a shitty relationship this whole time, and she's a weak ass. So Kyle took that like, how dare you insinuate like i'm the thing so then he got defensive about it which was hilarious well i mean also like lindsey and sierra tag teaming amanda at the end and those past those last few minutes was like it was so brutal in the best way it's not a it's brutal parentheses complimentary uh it was so good i was like i don't honestly i don't know how anyone could not cry after that because they just they just I would I would have been crying and how great was it you know just on a positive note because this is a reunion and it's a reunion after an extremely crazy thing happened and it was a pretty toxic reunion but just by nature reunions are toxic so I think it's important to point out positive things sometimes and in this one it was the coming together of lindsey and sierra yeah that was beautiful for so many years they were those two hated each other hated each other and to see them come together like that and tag team amanda at the end with no no sympathy i mean they just went for it and i was like you know what this is girl like this is friendship right here well you know what vanilla pudding tore them apart and vanilla pudding brought them back together austin they fought over Austin, they come together over West.

11:47And I think that it's really good. Believe it or not, I would actually wager to say that I did not think this was a toxic episode. I thought they were airing things out, but it did not feel like a nasty, toxic, like hitting below the belt, pulling out shit. It was just like, they're like, it actually felt like really like what I truly want a reunion to be about, which is clarifying timelines, discussing timelines, bringing in evidence, venting feelings. I really love that. And can we also not overlook the wonderful contributions mid-show, like a beautiful intermission, a beautiful little palate cleanser of Bailey just completely taking down Ben.

12:36It was so beautiful. It was so quick. It was so succinct. It was just so perfect. And she did a great job. And I was sitting there cheering. That was a wonderful, wonderful moment.

12:47Ronnie Karam: Oh, she was ready for his ass. She was ready. And she was not about to take it from him. And I loved it as well. And Sabrina, of course, put out a tweet or a text or whatever today, whatever these kids are using these days. And it was like, well, if someone who really knows Ben better than everyone else, hearts, everybody hearts. This is television Sabrina, by the way. um as someone who knows him really well he treats his mom really well and he treats me really well and okay okay sabrina we all have the same television show on that we're watching i'm glad that ben treats you well and i'm glad that ben treats his mother like that he needs to learn to speak with women in a in a less condescending assholish way if you don't want people to talk about it okay listen did you not even hear any of fart garfunkel's stupid backstory he was raised with like a domineering dad who didn't show him any sort of love and then we're supposed to act like this is a man who's gonna treat women nicely of course not he is he's totally damaged by his dad and he's going to act out that damage on women it's like very clear to me so let's like not try to act like this is some guy who's actually wonderful towards women we've seen him talk down to women all season long.

14:07I appreciate you standing up for your man, Sabrina Bell, but it's a losing cause. We've all seen it.

14:13Ronnie Karam: And something else we're not going to let just pass us by is the fact that you just called him Fart Garfunkel. Yeah, I did. I did. Okay, let's get on with this because we've got our work cut out for us today. We've got 45 pages here to get through. This is The Reunion. reunion so here we go it's march 31st 2026 lindsey is on her couch doing some confessional work for in the city and there she's like oh my look and then we get a blink blink blink blink and she's theresa judice

15:05so she's just getting ready to do a confessional for in the city which will be we'll be recapping the latest episode after this it'll come out a little bit later today um and then all of a sudden kyle kyle walks in hey lindsay oh my god are you okay what are you doing here he's like uh you should check your phone and so lindsey is like oh my god jesus fucking christ so she opens up her phone and she's looking at it and he's like so what do you think are you just starting your interview she's like no so she's reading it and she's like oh my god for the love of god and then the statement the famous statement that rocked all of our worlds

15:43Ronnie Karam: appears on screen and kyle says oh fuck i haven't read it yet you want to read it to me You haven't read it. What do you mean you haven't read it yet? Who doesn't read it first, Kyle? I love that Kyle's like, this is hard. You read it to me. Okay. We've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we want to provide some clarity. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. They're drinking a different kind of seltzer. I knew it. It's worse than I could imagine. No. It's clarity. It's like clarity. Like clarity, alcohol, soda. She's like, we've shown up for each other as friends over the years.

16:22Ronnie Karam: I'm just going to read this, not Lindsay's voice, because I'll make myself crazy. We've shown up for each other as friends over the years through all of the highs and lows. And what's developed recently was the last thing either Ken or I expected. Our connection grew out of genuine longstanding friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. And go, cheese balls, half off at happy hour. Ring ring ring ring ring ring. Oh my god, my phone's ringing. Hello? Hey, it's Jesse, bro. What's going on? This is fucking nuts. I mean, I just signed a record deal. What? Did you even see the statement?

17:02What? What statement? Hold on. Oh my god, this is nuts too. Jeez. Wow, that's the first time I'm hearing that it's actually confirmed. Crazy.

17:11Ronnie Karam: I see there is a statement, but I really don't want to read it. Would you read it to me? Oh, Jesus, here we go again. To whom it may concern. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. Oh, sorry, my other line's going off. It's Mia, one second. Oh, my God, Mia, I didn't even know you had my number. Do you even know who I am? Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. Oh, my God, Steven, what are you even doing calling me? You were fired from this show years ago. He's like, I cannot believe this. I'm sitting on the balcony of the summer house, and I am past the balcony of judgment. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. Oh my god, who is this?

17:46Ronnie Karam: Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl. Oh my god, it's the twins. Ring, ring, ring, ring. Well, you're you. That's something. Oh god, Sharon, I'm not doing this with you. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. Hold on, someone else on the line? Ratchet, this is Ratchet. Oh my god, it's Hannah Burner. I can't believe she even called in. This is crazy.

18:15Ronnie Karam: so everybody's on the phone together talking about this this tragedy that has just befallen us and carl calls of course he's like oh oh god guys i've just landed in la i'm just reading everything how are you doing how are you doing carl carl how are you doing he's like uh nothing can really prepare you for this jeez yeah my stomach is sick oh god i can't believe it my stomach is just turning i'm like that's probably because you've only eaten granola in the past 45 days training for whatever marathon you've been doing so you've only got protein shake in you carl okay i mean i actually love this because you have jesse and and mia who are like conferenced onto lindsey's phone and then you've got Carl on Kyle's phone and then Lindsay and Kyle holding.

19:03So like all of them are sort of together in this high tech like powwow. It's like, oh, are we all here? Are we all here? Is everyone, are we missing anyone? They're like, no, no, this is crazy. And they're like, yeah, this is crazy. And Jesse's like, yeah, I mean like you don't fuck your friend's wife of 10 years. Am I right, guys? And Kyle's like, uh. You sort of see his face like, yeah, you don't have to say that. You don't have to rub that part in, bro.

19:27Ronnie Karam: So Mia's like, yeah, and they're still together too. Oh, well, have you guys talked to Sierra at all? And they're like, yeah, she's hurting. She's hurting. And Mia's in California, but she wants to fly back to be with Sierra because she's really worried about her. And so. Yeah, that's a good friend. She's going to hop on a plane to fly back to be with Sierra. That's good. Girl, if I had to hop on a plane every time some man cheated on one of my girlfriends, I would have diamond status on every airline.

20:00So Carl's like, oh, can someone go check on Sierra? Like someone check. I mean, it's like, don't worry. We're texting her, Carl. We're texting her. He's like, oh, our entire friend group of friends. Our entire group of friends. Like the lies and the seats of her, like, we're fucking lost. It's just like disgusting. I'm just like, I'm like, Carl, settle down. He's like, he really is. Now I get it. Carl is a mess. He's like, oh, I just can't even believe this. look they got rid of the Cinnabon in terminal three like now it's a panda express like what

20:27Ronnie Karam: do I even do with that of course out of everybody in the cast to this affects it affects Carl the most which is just so on brand for Carl you know the whole reunion he's like well wait a minute as Carl I would like to say Carl can we just can we replay the past 10 years of Carl please minus the past two where everything has been erased suddenly in everybody's mind like you're Carl. Okay. Calm down over there. Well, this really affects my veneers and it's just really bothering me right now. So, uh, I love that at some point in the middle of it, like in the middle of this, Lindsay goes, none of this makes sense.

21:03I just love the way she said none of it. None of it makes sense at all. I was like, wow. She's like in, in the heat of a scandal, she's adding extra sounds to her words.

21:15Ronnie Karam: She's actually doing that a lot on the city, which is cracking me up. Cause I just watched the city and I was like, why is she talking like that like she's just pronouncing really weird certain words really oddly she'll be like yeah and then i went out on this and then he had that nerve to say to me and i was just getting it a dub what is this it's like the signal went screwy for a second it was like the screen by the way batter night for lindsey she was so good on the reunion and she was so good on in the city the way she the way she dressed down kenny i loved it i can't wait to talk about that show she just was great lindsey's you know for someone who had to spend half the season sort of on the sidelines back in the city like she just really had such a banner evening like it's this is the reason why lindsey is is the lindsey that she is like she's the bravo star that she is she was just so she really is treating it like kind of an old cat skills star it's like debbie reynolds showing up to do her show.

22:15Ronnie Karam: She's like, hey, it's me, Debbie Reynolds. All right, what do you want me to do? Come on, let's get happy. You know, she's like pulling out all of her best things. It's like, here's Lindsay in the city. She's like, oh, really? You want a piece of me? I'm a mom. You know what moms have? A wine. She's like a caricature of herself. And I'm loving it. Like, she's really feeling herself. I need Lindsay with like a feather boa sitting on top of a piano. Yeah, also, if there's anything we learned from this night is that if the first thing Lindsay says to you as a compliment, just get ready. She's going to destroy you.

22:45Like, you look redneck better than yellow. Or, first of all, great party. It's like, okay. You've received your one. You've received the bottom piece of bread in your open-ended compliment sandwich. Your compliment tartine. Because there is no other compliment coming to sandwich the insults.

23:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah. It was pretty good. So Carl's like, oh my God. So I'm going to go check on Ciara. And he was like, we're texting. Don't worry. and Carl's just disgusted by this whole thing. And Lindsey's asking, when this started? Well, Amanda tried to play it off last night like it's only been happening for a month. Which we know is a lie. When were the iHeart Awards? One was South by Southwest. Do you remember what weekend that was? That was in March. That was March. Did we talk to Kyle about this? I don't remember. We were hanging out with Kyle actually quite a bit that weekend, but I don't think we actually broached this with Kyle.

23:40No. That would have been weird.

23:41Ronnie Karam: It was weird. And it's like, hey, you think your wife's cheating on you? Want another drink? That was fun. Had your DJ set going. I just heard Amanda was blowing West. You think about that? But anyway, that weekend, one of our friends that we were hanging out with was like, you guys have heard this West and Amanda stuff, right? And we were like, yeah, of course. But I think it's, you know, I was saying, I think that's stupid. I mean, they're probably just hanging out and, you know, Bravo fans are so dramatic. like as a group all of us were very dramatic and people were probably saw him hugging and were you know i didn't believe it and she was like oh no it's it's real she's like it's been at least a couple of months trust me it's real yeah we were like oh okay still didn't believe it didn't say it on the show and then it turned out to be real i just feel so stupid so i'm just trying to work a timeline back but i think it was going on obviously i've said this a million times i think it was going on in the summer there's just such obvious signs i'm i've been vacillating um because i you know for for a while i was like okay well the emotional affair started in the summer but anything physical probably started in the fall but then that moment i mean when wes put that chair behind amanda that is like uh this is my woman kind of vibe and then kyle says right here which i did not realize he goes i mean there are blinds going back to june 2025 and carl's like doesn't say it.

25:00Like, all this time, we had just, like, sunshine pouring right into the window. No, Carl, it's not that kind of blind. It's the thing in an article. I did not realize they're blind. You know what's

25:10Ronnie Karam: really disgusting about this? That this relationship is not based on rum and shades. Which are... I mean, all this time we had curtains, and, like, we could have had blinds. Who knew?

25:23Carl, get a hold of yourself. I can't. It's too much. There's a line at Starbucks that's so big, it's like a wall trying to get through it this airport is too much for me to go through right now oh oh by the way could you uh

25:34Ronnie Karam: tell me what blind people told you this so i don't want to just start going up and asking random how do they know carl carl get a hold of yourself i can't help it i can't help it i'm in a hudson news and i don't know if i want to have a king size twigs or king size stickers why don't they have regular sizes in your car this is disgusting it's behavior is disgusting oh look it's a book about megan markle okay he's calm down now i love her netflix show i i once saw her make a napkin out of a straw cover does anyone know anything about this book strangers looks great okay so they're trying to figure out when it started and nobody can figure it out and i was I was like, I don't know.

26:23Ronnie Karam: I don't know if Amanda West could ever recover from this one. And it's April 23rd now, 2026. And everyone's arriving at the reunion. And, you know, just regular. Everybody's arriving. Of course, Amanda gets out. And I'm like, oh, my God, what's Amanda doing? What's Amanda doing? She's like, hello. I was almost going to get mad at her because when they showed everyone getting out of their cars and they would, like, thank the driver. Everyone steps out. Thank you. Thanks. Hey, thanks, bro. and Amanda got out of the car and like didn't thank the driver and I was like that fucking bitch but then she was like thank you but she did it late I was like damn I can't get her on that one you got away with this one Amanda you got this one by me young lady but I'm still watching you had delayed politeness so most of them are sort of like in the same makeup room like all the guys are in the makeup room and West and Amanda have their own little room and Carl's like oh I've been on this for like 10 years from the beginning and what's been going on this last month and a half and two months is unlike anything we've ever experienced the last two weeks even the baseball game oh my god could even believe the baseball game and they show footage of the two of them you know canoodling at that baseball game that we all saw and then cage is like yeah on the same day that sierra's cover came out it's embarrassing he's so fucking oh man i'm mad again it's like i just got off that Southwest flight all over again.

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27:52Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And KJ is like, I was supposed to go to that game with West. Oh my God. You could have been the one to make out with West at that game. You are? He's like, yeah, it was a Kansas city game. Oh, well, why don't you end up going to the game? Carl, what are you paying attention to the timeline? Why limit your favorite fragrance to just one room with Pura? you can build a whole home-scented system that moves with your day. Put a Pura home next to your bed, a Pura home plus in your open living room, and a Pura home mini in the bathroom, controlling them all seamlessly from the app. One home, one connected fragrance experience.

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29:40wait a second did west do something that upset you in the past two months

29:44Ronnie Karam: he's like yeah because we're not friends anymore that's why and it's really sad i considered him a brother so west comes dun dun dun man is sitting there on the couch saying Kyle. Like, well, it's me. Hey, it's my dressy roomies. So, what's up? And the man, they're like, he's like, well, I'm not normally, like, here. I'm normally, like, with the boys. So, what's up? He's like, nothing. I just don't know if I can breathe because, like, I'm anxious or because my corset's so tight. Um, probably both. Like, I don't know. Like, okay, you two have sparkling banter. then uh back in amanda's asking if he's feeling okay he's like um i'm actually like i feel like um zen i'm like of course you feel zen because you were like the center of attention for this entire scandal and as much as he's putting on this like oh i'm so i feel so bad he's probably loving the fact that how much this is elevating his profile west is loving this west is loving this i don't everything i see of west looks like he's loving this he has that podcast with that that lady, I don't know her, or their podcast.

30:58Ronnie Karam: I just see little clips of it floating around. And, you know, she basically agrees with everything he says and stuff. And he's just like, every time I see a clip from it, he's acting like he's being interviewed for the Pulitzer. You know, he's like, well, here's how this happened. He was my motivation behind this choice. Like, he's loving this. And later, he finds out on stage that dick pics have been circling around. And let me, you know, I'm not going to shame the man's dick. I mean, that's not very nice. I will say it's really not as bad as everybody. Don't be so small, Ronnie. Don't be, we are not small like that, you know?

31:33Ronnie Karam: No, but everybody was, everybody has been shaming it. And my mortgage guy sent it to me today. So I finally saw it. I haven't really seen it yet. I will say, you know, nothing wrong with the penis, actually. I mean, it's a dick, you know? It's not like ready to go or anything, but I'm not going to shame his penis. I will shame his grooming, his grooming though. Groom, you know what I mean? Like if you're going to take pictures, we all know that hackers are out there. Groom, you know? Yeah. That's all. It's just a little advice. A little advice.

32:05Take small comforts in things, you know? It reminded me of the Brett Favre scandal a few years ago.

32:13Ronnie Karam: He's got a dick pic too. Oh, I'm going to write my mortgage guy and see if he'll send me Brett Favre's dick. Yeah. He's got him. The mortgage guy, he's going to get you a good rate, and he's going to get you some mediocre dick in your inbox. I'll tell you that. I was about to say. So anyway, Bailey and Lindsay are talking. Bailey's just happy that Sierra's been talking. I'm sorry. I have a very important announcement to make. I just got a text from my mother that says W. Okay. Carry on. The fuck? What does that mean? You win. You win. you got the W or she's saying, this is an urgent message about George W.

32:55Bush. Um, so aren't they all, I know. Uh, so Andy's now in, now Sierra arrives and Sierra actually arrives through like the garage. So she gets like the superstar arrival where everyone else has to be a pedestrian on the street with the other pedestrians. So, uh, Sierra is in her dressing room and then we see Andy who's like ungroomed. Uh, he, cause you know, for these reunions, he always goes like a little disheveled or whatever. So he's really disheveled. He's like, and he's like, he just rolled out of bed. He's like, so how are you today? He's like, well, Andy, Andy, give me some tea, please.

33:29This wasn't,

33:29Ronnie Karam: this wasn't great for Andy. God bless his heart. I mean, they just pancake that makeup straight out of bed. It's like, you know, when you put on too much pancake makeup and then you crease too soon and it's like kind of crinkling up, you know, the makeup is like crinkling up and he did not look good. And then he's talking to Sierra. Who's a fucking, who was just on the cover. climber magazine i mean she's she's just stunning and gorgeous and made up and andy's like

33:57Ronnie Karam: it's like all you're missing is a paper sack full of wine you know poor guy poor guy she's like well i've had better days like yeah i feel it and she's like um and so she's like you know she's like sad obviously and uh now in the other room wes and amanda are just like on are just sitting there on the sofa and Andy comes in and he's like, I'm sorry, he doesn't come in. He's still talking to Sierra. And he's like, so who do you feel more betrayed by? Your left boob or your right boob? She's like, actually Amanda. And like, I mean, I'm just like shocked by Wes, but like hurt by Amanda. Okay. Is there a question that you really like?

34:37One thing that's like most kind of glaring to you that you just like want to know? Like, do you want to ask how big are Amanda's boobs? Cause I'll ask that for you. And if I ask it on your behalf, it's not problematic. She's like, no, I just want to know why they did this. Oh, okay.

34:54Ronnie Karam: That's a short question. I mean, you can ask a longer question if you want to. The floor is yours. There's three reunions. That's just one word. Make it longer. We're going to need someone help Sierra ask a longer question. Okay, come on. We'll make this work. Hey, guys. I got some cool-y-ado news for you. there's a pic of Wes Dick going around right now you guys seen it? oh yeah I seen it yeah me too I mean how many dick pics do you need to send out for them to get back to me it's like not a good dick pic man whoa who does a dick pic flaccid like why would you do that's really a tough one really tough one flaccidito right guys

35:41Ronnie Karam: someone has been out on lake flaccid today and that boat is sinking guys so now andy has to go into wes and amanda's room and like his vibe around sierra was like wow sierra you are such a star and then his vibe with wes and amanda is like just barely tolerating them he he has this like energy between the two of them the two of them are sitting there on the sofa but all like huddled up. You know, they have that body language where like their shoulders are hunched up and forward. They're just like little armadillos and they're like kids. Like, hi, Mr. Randy. And Randy's like, so, how are you guys doing?

36:17Good. Okay. I'm like, this reminds me of running into the teacher, into like your teacher at like a restaurant or something. And they're like, oh, hey, how's it going? You're like, hi, Mr. Johnson. It's like that weird, like, do I talk, am I bantering with you, but you're my teacher?

36:33Ronnie Karam: what do i do yeah and he says how do you think this is gonna go and west is like well i mean there's nothing really like new that can be told today i mean gosh like it's already been i mean it's already out there on the internet and stuff so i guess well you know we don't even know what we're doing here really we get lunch right yeah so uh he's like yeah i'm just gotta say like he's like you guys are like pretty calm by the way sorry ronnie i think i just skipped over in a whole giant section, but I think it's probably okay if we just keep going, because all he was was just checking in with Sierra some more.

37:06So, yeah, he's like, he's seeing how they're all doing, and then they're just like not really saying much, right? They're just like, yeah, we're okay, we're okay. And he's like, okay! Or I guess I don't really know what to say out, what else to say to you guys.

37:22Ronnie Karam: This is one thing that always surprises me about this show, and especially the reunions, is that it's so entertaining. because the first time I went to BravoCon, I went to a summer house panel. Is there someone in my house? Did you hear it? There's a ghost in that house, I'm telling you. There's a beep. A beep? I can't tell if it's a bird or something. Oh, it's a bird. That fucking bird does sound like a beep. I know what you're talking about. I was like, is there a carbon monoxide issue? No. No, it's literally the bird. It's a bird. It's a bird. I love it. Let's stop the podcast. i was like i'm so glad i love it i think it's in my mind i'm like birds don't sound like this i actually went outside looking for the fucking bird i was like birds do not tweet like this what is that it was a bird this is why i got disoriented in the notes because like i just got lost because i was like what's going on with this noise out here yeah i hear it too so it faded away sorry but now it's back okay sorry i'm getting an air rifle okay so catching Anyway, the point is I was at BravoCon.

38:27Ronnie Karam: I went to this panel, the Summer House panel. When I tell you, and it was like Summer House and Winter House. It was like all of them there. Those people cannot string a sentence together and they don't have anything to say. It's like they haven't taken, I don't know how they even do confessionals, honestly. I wonder how many times I have to stop and start and say, could you form that into a sentence? Or could you not just say, yeah? A lot of their questions, they'd be like, so how do you feel about this guy cheating on you? And they were like, yeah. okay well does it you know anyone else from the audience i mean that's how the whole thing went so i'm always impressed they can put together such um a fun show because yikes so these pre-interviews are kind of like that so how do you feel they're like good okay well uh anything deeper no yeah so then we go back to sierra's dressing room and kyle goes in there and he's like by the I sent you a text last night and I saw you started to type, but then you didn't finish it.

39:27So like, what the fuck Brian? She's like, yeah. Because you, you may not remember, like I'm going through shit. She's like, yeah, I finished the last episode because they, they had to watch the episodes the night before. Right. Because for the reunions, they, they, whatever episodes have not aired, they like watch. And so they both were like for Kyle and Sierra, it was like a lot because it was the kiss. It was the end for Kyle. It was he and Amanda having this end of summer talk and everything. And Kyle's like, I will say those last two episodes, that was like the toughest reading prep I've ever gone through.

40:00I don't think people understand. I was like, I am bottoming out. I was like, what?

40:06Ronnie Karam: I know, me too. My ears pricked up too. I was like, finally. I don't think people understand. Lord, I've been manifesting. Your butt is on every vision board I've made for the past 10 years. People don't understand. I was so disturbed by those last few episodes. I just found a gay bar, went into a bathroom and just flung myself over a toilet and said, have at it, boys. Started bottoming like crazy.

40:32Ronnie Karam: So yeah, he says he's bottoming out and Sierra's like, oh my God. And he goes, yeah, I don't think people understood this whole summer. I was like, bottoming out. Okay, Kyle. I kind of feel for you in this situation, I guess. But let's not Kyle is going to totally take this advantage to make himself like, oh, look, all of this yelling at my wife and all of this shitty treatment of my wife. Now you guys understand it, right? No, no, Kyle. I'm sorry. You don't get a free pass on all that stuff. This sucks for you. Kyle, you are in the supporting actress category. And so you do get your award, but you're not in the lead right here.

41:09Yeah, I'm sorry. This is not yours.

41:11Ronnie Karam: This is not yours. Back down and reconsider bottoming those years. we will be open to you bottoming so now we go back to Wes and Amanda in West's room and he's like okay well god you guys are really I've been here for 10 minutes trying to get you guys to say something and you guys really won't say anything I'm just gonna go and Wes goes oh that wasn't so bad and he's like that was nothing you idiot so now finally they go out to the reunion to the set and Bailey is there it's like hi Bailey Hi, everyone. And people are slowly walking out. Kyle is like checking out this set. He's like, wow, you guys, there's always so much detail on these sets.

41:52I am so impressed with how you guys do it. It's amazing. He's such a dad. He's such the dad who comes over and like inspects your grill or your tires.

42:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so everyone comes out, hugs. Everybody looks great. Lindsay, of course, comes out wearing Ariana's revenge dress, which I love. and also a lot of drag queen makeup around the boobs she's like fully doing uh you know uh who did that who was a sup was saying this the sub sexy unique podcast those guys are so fucking funny they're they were on they were on quips last night too they made a couple videos and i was cracking up at them i love them but they were they were saying i don't i don't even want to i don't even want to say it because they're better just go listen to them but they were saying something like lindsey is like her own kind of drag queen now which is so true i mean she was coming out with her her boobs like fully made up also what is lindsey lindsey is on another complete planet and show and i love it for her so she comes out wearing ariana's revenge dress and he's like that's ariana's dress right she's like well someone's in wearing i had to make up for kyle because then you know they showed the image that someone made of kyle photoshopped onto ariana's Kyle's like, Kyle, you look good in it.

43:09It was really good. Because you know what's great about Ariana's dress? If she went tanning, oh my God, hella tan lines with that dress. So hot.

43:19Ronnie Karam: So Jesse comes out singing, what a day, what a day. And it was conflicting with my own song, which was shut the fuck up, please. Mia struts out there like she's on a runway. she's like boom boom boom boom boom you know it's like this amazing strut she's like that's right i have arrived yes the audience does love me yes i do get dms from rihanna um so she comes out everyone comes out uh carl takes a selfie with jesse and kj and jesse's like hey it's the come before the storm and kj goes yeah literally like is it storming uh so then like oh that would be a literal storm guys yeah everyone just yeah everyone just gathers out on the stage and um sierra comes out wearing like a bikini top with that i mean i don't know what the fuck it was but god i can't imagine looking like that how do you even live a life looking like that like what is it like just leaving your house you know do people just stop you and just give you things because i feel like if i saw that coming into a room i would just take out my wallet i'd be like here's my wallet here's my phone it's like you're checking in you know to a concert just putting everything in a ball i'd just be like take it off here's my house keys i don't care i'll sign it to you sierra is definitely like having her moment where she it's like elizabeth shoe and soap dish where now she's like the star and she and let's see who has like that big yellow thing on and of course totally different outfits but it's like when you see the person finally the spotlight shines on them and they just get that glow up i mean sierra was already glown up Glown, is that a word?

44:58But now it's just like, now she's just like superstar Sierra. So she's out on stage. But before she comes out on stage, first we have Amanda coming out on stage, which is as awkward as you can imagine. Because before Amanda comes out, everyone is like, hey, good to see you. Oh my God, it is fun. Oh, cool. Is that a banter, banter, banter? Comedy, ah. And then Amanda comes out and everyone's like, hi. She's like, hi, Andy. Ah, good, you look beautiful. Have a seat. Like, hello, hi, Amanda. Like, the butter yellow, that's nice. It's so awkward and cringy.

45:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that outfit wasn't good either. I'm not just saying that as a hater of, you know, things that have gone on this season. That just wasn't a good outfit. It was sad. It's like, ooh. So then West gets a text alert and checks his phone. And he's like, um, I just got, like, a text. someone hacked my phone and there's like nudes of me been sending around missouri's so like oh it's like a good text to get like right before this guy's pretty ox all right everyone want to see him and he starts passing around and this is what i'm saying most people would be mortified and west is like hey here's my phone here's my dick everybody i made it my dick is in page six I could have sworn that the nudes leaked way before this reunion.

46:24But I mean, what do I know? I also liked him saying like, yeah, there are nudes of me being sent around Missouri. I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's not it's not constrained to Missouri. So when it rains, it pours. Am I right? Who else has a dick pic? Would you like to send it to me first before it goes out to the Internet? I will receive them all. Thank you very much.

46:47Ronnie Karam: And then Amanda goes, well, that's weird because I've never gotten any. Yeah. Real funny, Amanda. Read the fucking room, Amanda. What is wrong with you? It's such a typical Amanda response. Like, what about me? So, yeah. Then they're like, Wes is like, am I hard in the picture? And Jesse's like, no. He's like, what? I'm soft. He's like, yeah, flaccid. Very soft. Flaccid. Not soft, but soft. Soft. It's kind of my word, guys. It's not funny. Soft. I'm not giving you that. It's trademarked. You are flaccid.

47:23Ronnie Karam: So Wes is like, yep, that's me. And Jesse's like, yeah, Curves left. It's me. That's him. Yeah, Curves left, everybody. All right. We're about to start. Five, four, three, two, one. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Summer House. It's me, Andy Cohen, sitting here with a bunch of not files of stem cells, which I could actually really use right now. So if anybody's got some access, send them over. All right. Well, while some endings were crystal clear this season, one jaw-dropping new beginning has let the housemates and the entire bravos fear with a lot of questions. First, I want to say hi to the housemates.

48:04I want to start with you viewers. You can come back in 15 minutes after I stop saying hello to this enormous cast. Hi, Sierra. Hi, Amanda. Hi, Lizzie. Fast forward to 45 minutes later. And hello, KJ.

48:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so he does his usual 30 minutes of hello. And then they get to, of course, Sierra. And he's like, so you've gotten a lot of love and support from the Bravoverse. What's that been like? And she's like, um, insane. Like a lot more than I would have expected. Okay, well, that's great. Glad to see you. But I really want to tell Westy shit the bed. So, okay, hi, Amanda, hi, Amanda, okay, hi, Amanda, how are you feeling tonight? She's like, I mean, I'm prepared to, like, take accountability and own up to what I've done and apologize, especially to Sierra and Kyle, whose numbers, unfortunately, I don't have.

49:00Ronnie Karam: So I couldn't really speak to them before TV cameras were around. But hopefully I can explain to everyone's face, you know, what went on and where I'm coming from. And Sierra's like, well, I'm glad she could say our name tonight, right? because she did not say their names in the apology thing. Yeah, and Amanda goes, what? But she doesn't say what, like, she heard it, but she says what, like, like, it had the tone of say it to my face. And Sarah goes, I'm glad you could say our name this time. And Amanda's like, like, Amanda, uh-uh. When she, like, you have to take it. You cannot be combative right here.

49:38You are the one who caused the infractions. You, like, the moment that she had that tone, And I was like, what? I was like, oh, no. Amanda is messing up already. By the way, before it got to Sierra, I also was cracking up at Andy saying hi to Kyle. Because he's like, Kyle, I got to admit, I thought you were going to have a lot to answer for. I thought you were going to be the villain of the season. I mean, you were just awful. You were just like so shitty. I mean, everyone hated you. I was like, it's going to be a big pylon. Pylon and then suddenly this day is ex-machina came out and like you saved you.

50:16Oh my god So what does it feel like to know that you had the worst edit and somehow are getting sympathy tonight? Is that great? Yeah, I don't know how that happened, but yeah, it feels really good. Yeah, how does it feel to not be the biggest problem in the room?

50:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know, hopefully everybody could see that I was like really spinning out. No, you're an asshole. Okay, let's get over to West West, West, hey West. He's like, hey, hands, hey, hands. Well, I've got to ask. I mean, listen, two years ago, that was your first reunion. You really shit the vet on that one. God, that was so funny. You were so bad. You were terrible. I can't even believe you got another season. And then you came back last year. And oh, thank God we put some plastic sheets down. Because you shit it even harder. And here you are. Are you going to shit it again? What are you going to do today?

51:07Ronnie Karam: Shit the vet? um well um i think there's like a lot to be um like explain and like um like things to share that will hopefully clear up like a lot of like um like the wildfire that this became and so like i'm really gonna like clear it up by like not talking at all so i'm just i'm just gonna be here and i'm not gonna not gonna talk by the way west we didn't even mention this west comes out he is dressed like he's going to fraternity formal. He literally looks like he is a 20-year-old who has never worn a suit in his life. It's all bulging in weird places, like the collar's coming up to his ear, like one's coming down his shoulder.

51:46It's like he's disheveled. This is someone who is not comfortable in this, and he's ready to get onto some sort of bus to go to some venue and get shit-faced and have sex with someone. He looks so out of place right now.

52:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So, you know, then we say hi to Carl. Carl, are you a mess? And he's like, well, it's just been kind of hard to reconcile what we're watching and like what kind of feels like what was going on because like our group, like we're crying out. But like we hold ourselves to a higher standard here. Do you? Wait, what's summer house, Carl? What the show is Carl on? Are you a Hebrew national hot dog? What higher standard is happening here?

52:29What are you doing? You're fucking summer house. We've been watching you for 10 years. you guys were dressed up like old people with fake prosthetic boobies running around on tricycles like there there is no higher standard happening here okay yeah and we owe to each other like we

52:44Ronnie Karam: owe to our audience like be fucking real tell the truth take accountability i just sleep i'm nervous i'm nervous and anxious as someone who didn't do anything this season um i'm really nervous for nothing i have to answer for thank you this is carl running for running for mayor of carl thank I'm just like really nervous because of my layover here. I noticed that my favorite au bon pan in Chicago was turned into a brioche d 'oré. And I just am like, out of sorts. I just don't even know what to do. So when we check in with Jesse, how's Jesse feeling, guys? And Jesse's also loving this because Jesse was a prick the first half of the season.

53:18Ronnie Karam: So he also kind of got off, right? So Jesse's like, oh, I don't know. Just kind of hit me like, well, your friendship group was fractured. And it's just sound. I hope we're not mourning the loss of what we have. I hope we can find some common ground and move forward the best way we can. Did someone say something about going to common grounds? I'm there. In the mix. I'm back. The mess is over. I'm not in the mess. I'm in the mix. Okay, cool. All right. Let's say hi to the newbies. Hi, Bailey. Hi, Andy. Don't worry. No sweet green breakups today. you're all safe and sound on the couch i don't really appreciate you ridiculing my situation andy but thank you very much for that thank you for acknowledging my presence then we say hi to mia who's met rihanna and rihanna told her she's a badass bitch and you know she would have said that tonight too andy they're like oh my god yes mia and kj uh is sad because this uh family this This is like a family and the family has issues.

54:22Ronnie Karam: And I feel like there was a lot of fraudulent activity. I just want KJ to know that he is right. This is like a family. And if it's any consolation, this camp, this family has had lots of issues since the beginning. So like, and for Jesse too, like, don't worry. This, this friend group is deals with us all the time. Even on a scandal level, it'll be fine. I just love the term fraudulent activity. Can't use your card today. there was some fraudulent activity you need to get on your Citibank app right away sir okay all right Andy how is the missus uh 10 out of 10 thanks for thanks for asking in fact if you look she is right behind you oh my god Andy I'm sorry I just snuck onto the set I just love you so much I could tell that we're so it's all right someone get this bitch out of here all right well let's start by addressing the elephant in the room.

55:18Is it about me being a mess?

55:23Ronnie Karam: No. Well, Amanda and West were spotted holding hands at an event in February, ignoring what at first felt like an outlandish internet conspiracy. And when I asked West about those rumors on Watch What Happens Live, his tepid denials only fueled speculation. Let's see the clip. And we see the clip of Wes being like, you know, I just got to show her the streets a little bit. If it's not clear, that's a very important person to me. I care about her. I care about her a lot. I care about her a lot. All right, even I'm getting annoyed with a flashback. And finally, on March 31st, just three weeks ago, Wes and Amanda released a joint statement confirming their romance.

56:09This led to an avalanche of questions like, Where does this leave Sierra and Kyle? Is Carl actually a mess? Yes, I am. Oh, no, it was a rhetorical, Carl. And Sierra, when and why did you first suspect that something was going on between Wes and Amanda? And who has the biggest boobs? Come on, someone answer this question at long last.

56:32Ronnie Karam: So Sierra says that the first day she suspected it was January 17th because she went to call Amanda to invite her out to drinks with her and Mia. and her location was at West House. And so she called and Amanda didn't answer. And then she texted and she didn't answer. And I was like, I answered in 30 minutes. She was, yeah, after Mia put us in a group chat to see if you would respond. But when I called you, you didn't answer. So I was like, that's weird. Like, why would she be at West House? So why is Amanda already like, why is she so focused on being like, I answered it within 30 minutes. Sierra is saying this is when she suspected something and the suspicion wound up being correct.

57:14So what does Amanda gain for clarifying that she called back in 30 minutes? She's basically trying to say, you were crazy for suspecting that Wes and I were up to something, even though we were up to something. And now we are up to something.

57:25Ronnie Karam: It's like, because she's saying, because her and Wes keep saying over and over a timeline, timeline, timeline, we want to set the timeline straight. This is about the timeline, the timeline, because they're lying about their timeline. And so they're saying, you're lying by saying something was going on with us at this day, trying to make us look bad when nothing was going on this day. It didn't happen until recently when we came out of the closet about it on the internet. We didn't sleep with each other until we had told the internet first. Oh, okay. Well, then I think Amanda's response should have been like, yeah, I was at Westhouse.

57:56Like, I was. We were hanging out, but there was nothing crazy at that time. I was just hanging out with him. Instead of, no, I called you back, like, sort of questioning Ciara's reality, Like that's, that's the problem with Amanda. She is constantly trying to push back and sort of suggest that Sierra is being a liar here. It's like, don't, don't try that. Like if you're like, if you're going to try to like, like curry favor or just like state your case, just respond to why that was, but don't be like, no, you're wrong. Like, no, that's just, it's not going to work out for you.

58:27Ronnie Karam: I think what's happening here. Here's my theory on it. I think West has hated Sierra for a long time because he feels like she made him look bad. She made America hate him, basically. And in his mind, in his stupid little mind, he thinks that everything is her fault and that he was honest with her about not wanting anything. And then she acted like they were boyfriend and girlfriend and made him look bad when he really didn't do anything wrong being in a summer house. I think that's how he honestly looks at it. And all of this making up with Sierra and all of this kissing her ass and everything all season and trying to flirt with her and get her back in his good graces is because, A, the flirt is the only weapon he has.

59:10Ronnie Karam: He doesn't have a brain. So he's like trying that way. And he's doing it because he wants America back on his side. I don't think he's really ever liked Sierra. So I think his talking to Amanda is very much like you got to watch out because if anybody finds out, Sierra is going to ruin, you know, they're going to ruin our life because people like Sierra and they're going to ruin you. So I think they've built up Sierra as this enemy before they even came out about it because they knew how bad it was going to be. So Amanda's approaching this in a very defensive way. Like you can tell she's been hanging out with Wes because now she's approaching Sierra.

59:42Ronnie Karam: Even back then when they hadn't admitted anything, she's approaching her like she's the enemy and that she's going to ultimately bring her down. But it's not Sierra that brought you down. It's your own actions against Sierra that brought you down. You dummies. Because they almost mentally have to make Sierra the enemy to reconcile their actions, right? Because what they've done is wrong. And so, or one could say what they have done is hurtful. And it's hard for people to view themselves as being hurtful and that their actions were hurtful. So people often have to change the narrative to make themselves the heroes of their own story.

1:00:23And so that means turning Sierra into the villain. Like it's actually unfair. We like each other. And why should we hide ourselves? Why should we hide this relationship? Just because she has issues with men and like, maybe she should be the one to get over her issues. She's the one with the walls up. And now all of a sudden we got to tiptoe around her, but like, you know, they're saying all that stuff. That's what they've been saying. And it's clear that now it's kind of bubbling out.

1:00:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I think that she, I think that if they have been banging or at least doing whatever, whatever they're doing during the summer, which it looks pretty much like they were, that their conversations were probably like, well, this isn't fair. Like, I could just break up with Kyle right now and be with you. Well, we can't because then that'll piss the audience off because Sierra's here. So I need to get through the Sierra thing first. Okay, well, then you need to work on your friendship storyline with Sierra so that we can come out of the closet. So then he starts working on this friendship storyline.

1:01:15Ronnie Karam: But meanwhile, what Amanda doesn't know is that he's saying friendship, friendship, friendship to everyone he can on camera but then he's going and making out with sierra and you know saying i have a crush on sierra and all this stuff which is why amanda started looking like wait a minute what do you mean they're going on a double date that doesn't sound like friendship to me and amanda's getting all pissed off because the conversations she's having with west are like oh i'm just gonna make her i'm just gonna i'm just gonna you know make it so i'm gonna smooth everything over and smooth over this friendship so that we can finally be together and he's just a fucking player he's a fucking player this guy and a man is an idiot and i think they both turned sierra into a villain a long time ago this is a very strong theory held you know their plan just failed yeah because it's two it's two idiots trying to pull off some dumb heist it's like uh it's like tweedledee tweedledum as some yeah i said and in fact what some people like an episode of fargo you know like the the criminals are always just such idiots you're just watching the criminals fumbled the whole time.

1:02:13Someone on social media clocked later on in this reunion, if we get there in four hours, that when Sierra - Seriously, we're still at hellos. Oh my God, we're an hour in and we're at hellos. We've got 45 minutes till we have to pivot to Amazon. I'm like, are we even going to get out of the hellos? But someone pivoted, someone said, pointed out how when Sierra is talking about having sleepovers with Wes later on in the episode, they cut to Amanda and she is like breathing deep and like doing like like doing these like like exhales like yeah like she wants to say something and they're like yeah she is breathing through it because she was with west at that time and so to hear that that west was having sleepovers with sierra during this is like you know amanda is feeling things but she can't speak on them because then she would reveal her

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1:06:00Ronnie Karam: um so sierra's like you know so she says the group chat thing and like and then you were at west and amanda's like well and she goes i'm speaking so i was like you know that's weird and why would she be at west house and she's like because west was there for me all summer and he was checking in on me so then which sounds nice and then sierra's like and where was i she goes well you were also there for me and she's like but like he asked me to get a drink and she goes well where was I? I mean, by the way, all these things, he asked you to get a drink, he was there for you, that does not mean that you can't respond to Sierra.

1:06:32I mean, why don't you all just go out for a drink together? Like, what's crazy about that? Why don't you say, hey, can I bring Wes along? So Amanda's like, you were also there for me, and I'm not discrediting that. She goes, yeah, and how many times have I asked you to hang out and you've either blown me off or whatever? She goes, I hung out with Wes twice! She goes, shut the fuck up. How many times have I asked you to hang out? Have I asked you to come over to your house have i invited you to do stuff and you act like your fucking phone doesn't work and i was like that i can imagine amanda is that person who's like oh oops i just got this oops i fell asleep and saw this this morning this text message this morning she's totally that person and you know it's because she just doesn't want to say i don't want to hang out yeah and mia's like well

1:07:18Ronnie Karam: yeah it's pretty weird that you're prioritizing your friendship with west she goes no i wasn't And she goes, I mean, yeah, you were. Like, you're not calling them back so that you could hang out with West is what you're literally saying right now. And she goes, then why aren't you responding to her? And she's like, oh, my God, guess what? I had an awakening. I was living on my own. I separated from my ex. I was trying to prioritize myself. No, you don't get to have a waiting to exhale moment right here. This is just not happening. Not the time. And this is the problem is that you're prioritizing yourself and not being a good friend of the people around you, Amanda.

1:07:51Ronnie Karam: Now's not the time to brag about prioritizing yourself. Oh my God. Prioritizing yourself does not mean that you just ignore the person who helps you realize that you have to prioritize yourself. So Sierra's like, yeah. And then you hang out with, you know, you hang out with mine, you go out, you guys are going to bars, you're getting fucked up, and then you're breadcrumbing everyone on Instagram, which I like that she brought that up because Amanda was breadcrumbing people and she was making those little videos. And she's like, well, I'm also hanging out with other people. I'm not just hanging out with Wes.

1:08:20I was also hanging out with other people, like a girl named Katie. By the way, there's so many random Katies that are lingering around this group. I can't keep them straight. There's this Katie. There's another Katie from the city. Really just two, but it feels like there's 10. There's Katie from Vanderpump Rules. It's hard.

1:08:35Ronnie Karam: A lot of the Katies. So, Lindsay's like, I'm who? Who? And she goes, oh, what? You don't think I have other friends? She goes, no, besides Katie DeLuca. And Carl's like, oh, a lot of the friends you've been hanging out recently, literally. Yeah. And Lindsay's like, yeah, those are West friends. yeah they're not your friends and carl's like exactly exactly friend police here are you don't have friends congratulations you should be hanging out with siara i mean it's like oh you guys that's only what you guys get on the internet i don't post every fucking time i go wow and lindsey's like yeah you were and carl like y 'all some of your best friends you aren't even seeing anymore and so they're basically busting her for like acting like i'm allowed to have a life okay i've got other people to see and they're like you don't have friends you don't hang out with anyone yeah you just absorbed your boyfriend's your new boyfriend's personality and you've taken on all of his friends and it's just like you did the first time around except this time is 10 years later like you should know a little more by now you know and so she's like i was just saying yes to everything really because your phone was broken and you weren't answering it for your friends that's the point amanda the point is don't say that you're saying yes to everything but then you're not answering sierra's call because you're saying no to sierra and cause i'm even worse she's like i'm sorry i couldn't answer the phone but i was like literally hanging out with everybody else like i was saying yes to everything except you i mean i mean the truth is this sometimes when people go through separations they really like they they go through a period of like like they're going through it i had a friend who i was very close with who she and her boyfriend her husband they broke up and like our friendship just more or less ended after that because she just like just went off so like this definitely is something that happens I'm not excusing it for Amanda but I'm like here it goes again sometimes coming out of these relationships it is like a crash and burn situation and so Sierra so Amanda's Kyle's like by the way I just want to point out that she was hanging out with another Katie too yeah this is the fifth with Katie in our group.

1:10:36Yeah. And Sierra's like, what, they're Katie that's friends with Wes? And I mean, I was like, no, not friends with Wes. Fuck off. I'm like, Amanda, you of all people cannot be on this reunion telling anyone to fuck off, especially not Sierra. So Sierra was like, shut the fuck up, Amanda. You don't want to cross this fucking bridge with me. You really don't. I don't see your man sticking up for you now. Huh? It's like, of course, cut to Wes. He's like, he's just staring at his knees, staring at the,

1:10:59Ronnie Karam: staring at the ground. Like, my dick looked really hot. Do you think Periwinkle was the right choice of color for this suit? Am I the only one who got a bony off my dick pics? Jesse, well, I just heard what you said, and you're not, actually. So, Jesse, you said on Watch What Happens Live, you found out when the rest of the world did, viewers wanted to quit you with Tom Schwartz and the situation that you knew more than you let on. What is your response? yeah I mean I spoke with Amanda and I sat her down for a drinky tucci and she told me it just wasn't true and I'm like I don't know I mean I would text asking and they were they and he would tell me Wes would say it's not a it's not true so what can I say about that also Amanda's answer is she like gets those big eyes she gets and she's like Jesse didn't know anything that's like stir straight to the camera like you look it looks very believable amanda so west is like um like the um like the lying part like i'm not gonna just like sit here and like act like i didn't do it like 100 percent i lied to people like and i like take accountability for that you know because it's like not cool in general it's like not cool to do like with your friends so like i take accountabilities.

1:12:17Think, think a lot is like, yeah, no matter what the case, like lying to people you care about is not okay. Like, Oh, thank you for your afterschool special moment. So Sierra's like, it's like the end of a Saturday morning cartoon. Yeah. As you continue to lie through the rest of this, uh, this, and so Sierra's like, the problem is I feel like you lie about your life. Like you lie about who you are. I think you're the most fraudulent person sitting on the couch and we've been here for three years now. And I don't think anybody really knows who you are. It's like, what? Why do you say that? Because you live a different fucking life off camera than you do on camera.

1:12:52And we don't know what you're doing. And probably the reason why it's so confusing is because you had a girlfriend. Meha. And it's like, dun, dun, dun. Commercial break.

1:13:00Ronnie Karam: It's pronounced Mia, I think. But yeah, she's like, um, Mia. And he's like, um. I think it's Meha, actually. I think he said Meha. Oh, I thought she said Meha. I thought she said Meha. Because I was like, Meha? There's another Meha in the mix? How are we going to keep this straight? maya maya maya maya and 10 katies um so he's like um not a girlfriend i was just seeing someone oh god that's what you say to everybody though that's the problem you have you think that you can just change what you're doing by name and that changes everything you're with somebody that you're fucking long term and like with them all the time they're gonna think they're your girlfriend he's so fucking full of it this fucking guy like how many girls at the same time did you have that thought they were your girlfriend that were hot because you had her you were stringing along amanda you were stringing along sierra and all the while keeping the secret so you could do this bullshit on tv and now you're gonna sit here and argue that you're not a fucking liar and that you're not living a double life on camp come on man yeah and it's like also i feel like he and amanda are just like really hiding behind semantics, but especially he is this like, no, we're not, we weren't like together.

1:14:09We were, we were just seeing each other. So like, therefore all of this is okay. It's like people's feelings are still involved. People will still feel a certain amount of attachment later on when they talk about, well, you know, I'm going to just wait. I'll wait till later on. Cause I'm going to circle back to this, but it just drives me nuts that there's such a, like a lack of consideration for people's feelings in the, in these sort of situations, in these overlaps like oh it's okay to have the overlap because i always said i didn't want to be this or we weren't officially boyfriend girlfriend or we didn't have sex it's like you don't understand like you're still affecting people you're still creating expectations you're still implying certain intimacy and it's just like it's so fucked up yeah i'm looking up this person now

1:14:55Ronnie Karam: which we don't really have time for so um lindsey's like well she says that you guys were exclusive and in fact she spent the night with you on the night before your watch what happens live on march 24th and she like whips out her phone and cira's like and she made your tie weird weird and lizzie's like i'm sorry correction march 24th and not march 24th and he's like oh yeah so she brought you the tie was this that horsehair tie that you wore And then we see a flashback to when, when Wes is like, um, Meha made me this tie. Um, yeah. It's like, Hey, shout out Snarl Studios. It's horse hair. It's like real horse hair.

1:15:35And he's like, Oh, a real horse hair tie. And he's looking at his crazy tie. Like you're wearing a wig around your neck. I hate to tell you, you're wearing extensions with a tie.

1:15:46Ronnie Karam: You are wearing go naked hair around here. Okay. Well, did you know that he was dating this woman? Amanda's like, yeah. And Lindsay's like, so you knew, you know, now you knew then she goes, and it's like, and you didn't care. And I mean, I was like, um, we had a whole conversation about it. And then Mia goes, Amanda, why are you doing this? And I, I really wanted to, before Mia jumped in, I really would like to have known, like you had a whole conversation and you were like, okay. Like Wes was sort of seeing someone on enough of a level that he wore her tie onto TV and like you were down with this.

1:16:26Like it's just crazy.

1:16:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah. But didn't she also say that they didn't, they didn't really become a thing until right when their statement came out. So why would you have a conversation about it? I need the timeline in front of me. Like when did that statement come out? March? The statement, the statement came out in March. Three weeks. So then, so then they gave, so then they gave the statement and then he was still fucking this girl. That's crazy. Oh, no, no. I'm getting lost in my timeline. There's so much stupidity. But anyway, so yeah, that is a good point, though. And you didn't care. And that's the thing about Amanda.

1:17:05Ronnie Karam: And that's what Mia makes a good point of. Because it's like you spent 10 years with this Kyle. Like, oh, my God, Kyle made out with somebody in a bar years ago. Or like, Carl cheated on me before we got married. which by the way is right to feel sensitive about and be bothered by but she does all of that only to go with some guy who's literally fucking how many people he was fucking this girl that's the thing before watch what happens he just said he was also having sex with sierra still so well he says that later later but how many people now you're suddenly okay with it look what's going on here that's why i'm wondering like why was amanda okay with this situation i'm not saying that this situation is something that's like, oh my goodness, how could you like date someone to hook up with someone who has, you know, who's, who's also hooking up with someone else.

1:17:53There's all sorts of different arrangements. And also like, if it's like, nothing's exclusive on any, on any end, that that's fine or whatever. But it just seems like in the specific case of Amanda and what she has seemed to have treasured and liked, et cetera, like you're, you're engaging in this. And that's

1:18:09Ronnie Karam: just actually, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense because people are patterns, right so amanda this is amanda's this is what amanda knows i mean her husband she met when she was pretty young right how old was she when she was with kyle she was really young 22 or 21 so that's really young so she's with kyle and she's with this guy who's like well no i'm going to see multiple people i'm not going to commit to you i'm not going to do this and she had to like show up every night whining and crying and that was like a whole big like game to try and get kyle to finally commit. Remember that was like years of like, will Kyle commit?

1:18:44Ronnie Karam: Will he not? Will Kyle ever stop cheating? Will Kyle ever stop having sex with other people and just let it be Amanda? So she's used to that kind of push and pull of like trying to win somebody who's unwinnable and then winning in the end and getting the guy in the end. So maybe that's just what she knows. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So Mia is like, Amanda, why are you doing this? And she's like, doing what? She was like, you went from being married, and I'm not saying your relationship was perfect, but you went from being married to being one of Wes's side bitches? That's crazy. Which, this is part of the leaked audio.

1:19:18And Mia's like, um, okay. And Mia's like, this is unnecessary. And it's like, okay, okay, we're going to talk about this. Let's just talk about the statement. And Wes's like, um. So, the statement came out, like, incredibly rushed because of, like, how insane it all became. And, like, there's a zillion reasons why this was confusing and, like, didn't make sense. and there's like so many layers to it i'm like if there's so many layers to it why did you rush your statement out like that was what are you doing you know these like people are not smart so yeah i was like oh well if is that enough layers to go what the fuck are we doing here period like do you understand how you're gonna like affect someone who's training for a marathon

1:19:59Ronnie Karam: did you even think about that oh well we talked about it and sierra's like oh okay so it was conscious you guys talked about it and it wasn't just some drunk hookup you talked about it and you knew how fucked up it was and how fucking weird it would be and you still did it and you chose to do it and you keep doing it or you kept doing it and you were hiding from it and she's like okay but guess what sometimes you can't help who you like and like who you're attracted to oh give me oh really kyle would you like to step in because this is the perfect time for kyle to be like uh really because that wasn't your attitude when i was you know making bad decisions in this department ma 'am you know what we are going to put a pin in this right here because you know what we have so much more to go so we're just going to end part one right here and then we're going to pick up again with part two here on the feed for the second half of this reunion episode.

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