#3382 Summer House S10E17 Part Two: A Wested Development

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2:22Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that happens? What happens when there's so much that happens? Hello, welcome to What's What's What Happens. This is the summer house reunion. We're going really long today, so let's just jump right into it. So we're at the part where Amanda's just said, okay, but you can't just like help who you like and like who you're attracted to. So yeah, you, you, okay, maybe that's true, but you can help like how you go about acting upon it, Amanda, for Christ's sake. Yeah. It's just such a thing. Like you just, when we've watched you for years and years get, well, I guess I'm not, I'm not even gonna make this point about like, I was going to say like, you've just been upset at Kyle for cheating, but Kyle should not have cheated or whatever.

3:15Ben Mandelker: I just think that this is, you can't help who you're attracted to is just the worst excuse in the book. It's been used for years and years and years by lazy people who just can't have any self-control. And like, as Sierra says, Sierra's like, you actually can help it. When you're married, you can actually help it. You know? And she goes, well, I wasn't married anymore, Sierra. Well, are you guys actually legally? Have you filed? And Amanda's like, well, I have a teen counsel. My attorney reached out to Kyle, but we haven't gotten anywhere since then. It's just funny. So you've done nothing. You've done nothing.

3:55Ben Mandelker: And in the full leaked audio, we heard that, you know, Amanda really sort of followed up on this point of like, like what? So since I'm since I'm like separated, I have to be completely essentially chased until like the divorce papers are signed, which is funny because on the on in the city last week she was shading danielle for moving in with uh owen before she was fully divorced yes exactly so she's just a fucking hypocrite and the point isn't that no the point isn't that you have to be chased the point is not even that you like west this would be a different discussion if you had gone to your friend and said you know something really weird is happening i am attracted to west like i've been hanging out with west a lot of friends and we've been blah blah blah and you have the talk i mean sierra could have still been pissed and been like what the fuck that's bad girl code and dealt with it but that would be a different conversation altogether and you wouldn't have the whole world against you if you had done that it's not that you were attracted to somebody it's how you handled it and had no no regard for anybody around you and your best friend i mean what the fuck this is crazy i hate when people do shit like this like but i can't help i'm just a human you're a shitty human that's what we're discussing yeah exactly like the fact that you instead of having that conversation with Ciara you did it behind her back and then when she texts you and is like I'm hearing crazy things you still stood like 10 toes down and said this is no absolutely nothing is happening like you blatantly lied and then you're like upset at her for being upset like that it just doesn't work that way yeah so now Amanda says well you know you you could have there are a million other guys in New York City, but you chose the one that you know that fucked me up, and you chose that one guy.

5:38She's like, but I didn't choose. Oh my God. It's like the laziest decision ever, you know? Yes, you did choose. Life does not just happen to you. Grow the fuck up. My God, please. You're too old for this shit.

5:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah, Sierra's like, and you did it on purpose because you're a fucking snake, Amanda. You're a snake in the fucking grass is what you are. And she's like, um, okay. Sarah's like, you know, you're a snake in the fucking grass and you should honestly just say okay because you know you are. You move silent but you're fucking deadly. And Andy's like, okay, Carl. You're also a fart. Yeah. Silent but deadly. Silent but deadly. Yes, absolutely. I love when people say that and don't even think of farts. Fuck you. I know. You're silent but deadly. Oh, jeez. I had an egg. Okay, I'm sorry. I had a fucking hard-boiled egg.

6:30What do you want from me? I can't choose what I'm hungry for

6:34Ben Mandelker: Girl Judy from Judy down said the public didn't go easy on you after your breakup with Lindsay and you stayed quiet So when Amanda and West put out a statement, did you think it was the right move or unnecessary? Oh, it is a terrible news But if you're gonna do it like apologize to CR and Kyle period Oh, and then maybe to me afterwards come a mess and Amanda say I apologize privately No, do it in a statement publicly, even though I just said it was terrible that you should release the statement publicly. Carl, you handled it so well. You called the camera crew back to surprise her on TV with it.

7:08Carl, real fucking charmer there. It's like, wow, Carl, you did this great. Thanks, Renee from Jacksonville. Well, okay.

7:17Ben Mandelker: So who did you put the statement out for? Like, why did you put the statement out? And Amanda's like, well, because everyone was asking for it to be in dress. Yeah, but it's like singing happy birthday without using someone's name. Could you imagine? Could you imagine being like, happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday? Empty void, happy birthday to you. It's like crazy. Yeah, Amanda, so you put out a public statement because everybody was demanding answers, but your friends were all demanding answers and you lied to them over and over. so why is it more important to be honest with the internet than your friends like what the fuck and she says that she texted sierra separately and she goes yeah but you didn't address the people that you fucked you didn't just you didn't even address the people that you fucked up oh carl says that and lindsey's like yeah great analogy someone singing happy birthday without even saying your name like who does that oh i did that with carl one time but i honestly couldn't remember for a second sorry girl and i also was wondering like you know there's been talk about the reason why they sent out this chat gpt statement was because someone had recorded them basically having sex and they were afraid it was gonna come out or blackmail or whatever so they just had to put this thing out i would have liked andy to have asked some questions about that maybe it'll happen when he circles back to this later i'm sort of confused about what is gonna circle back to since so much of it's being sort of discussed here and yet none of it like there's still so much more so much more to be asked but i really hope that we find out what that situation was that apparently happened the night before that sort of brought this all to a head yeah because if it was a sex tape amanda says they didn't hook up until after they put the statement out so they would then want something yeah so if they didn't hook up until after they released the statement then why would there be some urgency to send this out like that in that moment so it's just so weird so sierra's like okay yeah did did she send a personal apology to sierra yes she did 100 okay well you knew it would need to be a conversation right yeah well i would love to have been able to talk you know when you do this stuff you don't get to do the i wish i could have talked so sierra's like okay well let's go over uh her first text since we want to go into it okay This is the day the rumors dropped.

9:41Ben Mandelker: I don't hear from her from later that night. So this is what Amanda sends on March 5th, which is when this all breaks. She goes, hi, just checking in. The internet is fucking on one right now. And I feel like everything I do is under a microscope and I can't even believe I'm even having to text you this right now. But Wes and I are very much just so just friends. Like I'm sad we're even having to discuss this. This is before the statement. This is before actually our trip to South by Southwest when we talked to our friend. And so now Amanda is texting Sierra. She's going out of her way to check in with Sierra to say we're just friends.

10:17Ben Mandelker: So she's going out of her way to lie to Sierra. Yeah. And he's like, wait, to be clear. So you were hooking up at that time. And Kyle's like, 100%, 100%. I thought that Wes said that, but it was Kyle that said it. I was like, goddamn, Wes. Like, at least stick with the story. But it was Kyle, he said it. But Amanda then says, Amanda goes, well, we were talking. Everything was PG. like even if you're a PG even if you were G at that the moment the the moment the rating system gets involved is the moment you're violating girl code if you ask me I'm sorry like if you that means that you're on their way like if you're like flirting if you shared a kiss the violation has happened now it's just a matter of how bad the violation is but you've already crossed that line that was still bad language and on screen smoking you still you still said lights camera action on your movie okay I loved when Sierra goes, what's PG?

11:10I was like, oh my God, Sierra. Come on, Sierra. And Jesse's like, and why continue to lie? Like, you just can't tell us when things, like, when did you guys hook up for the first time? When did you, come on, guys. And Sierra's like, yeah, with the guy I used to date. And then anyway, and she just keeps reading that phone. I was cheering for this. I love some good phone. This is some solid phone evidence. she's like and then i said so i can expect for there to be no photo or videos coming out feels like such a widespread rumor for there to be no veracity in it and amanda said nothing different from what i've posted myself people have just seen us with each other more and more and are being psychos and i hear what you're saying but i feel like i can't even exist right now without people over analyzing everything i do you're still a victim she's like this is really hard on me Sierra the internet's being mean to me so Sierra's like okay well for clarity since I don't really feel like you're making it clear you and West haven't hooked up made out held hands under the table or had sex and then Amanda which I love that she wrote all that she's like alright let's be very specific Miss Semantics so did you hold hands did you have sex and she's like no I just got a correct yeah

12:22Ben Mandelker: just like a blatant blatant lie and I said correct and I lied I 100 % lied. I'm like, okay, everything is fine now. I almost think Amanda had a chance. When Sierra is texting her, I think Amanda has a chance to hop on the phone with her and say, you know, there are all these rumors, and it's funny because I wonder if they're picking up on something because nothing's happened between us, but I'm starting to feel something for him. And I wonder, I mean, it would be a bad situation anyway, but I'm saying theoretically, Amanda could have maybe transitioned into having an honest conversation about this but instead she just lies so it's just crazy to me that she went out of her way to lie to Sierra I'm like I think if you're going to reach out to Sierra it's to be like hey there are these rumors all happening can I talk to you to clarify what the hell is going on and maybe that would have been good but like this was not the way to do it yeah so Carl's like yeah and then all of a sudden you turn your location off and Mia says yeah because she was sleeping with somebody else she's like well I don't always share my location with the two of you and between Kyle my management and my other friends I didn't want people to know where I was all the time cause you were at West Lindsay's like cause you were at West and everybody's agreeing and Carl's like yeah cause you wanted to do something shady and he's like so you then text Sierra and Wes is like well you were also newly single don't forget So everything's like, okay, because you're single.

13:52Ben Mandelker: And everything is totally fine to do when you're single unless you're in an actively committed relationship. Lindsay's like, I mean, I would definitely turn it off if I was going to get caught sleeping with my best friend's ex. But I wasn't. I wasn't sleeping with Wes, you guys. She goes, oh, so you weren't sleeping over? And Andy's like, all right, we're going to get to that a little bit later. Guys, this is a 19-hour reunion. Okay, let's take it slowly. All right? Like Amanda's claiming that she did with Wes. So who made the first move? And Wes, first of all, I'm sorry. I can't let this pass.

14:26Why are we sharing our location with our friends? That's bizarre. I mean, I know that people do that, but it's fucking weird. And I won't do it. My sister does it with her kids, and she's asked to have mine. And I said, no. And she said, what if I die? I said, what do I care? I'll be dead. I'm not sharing my location with you. It's fucking weird. I want to be able to lie to people. I want to be able to say, I'm sorry. I can't do that. I'm going to church or whatever. That's my prerogative as an American, to lie. Yeah, I don't share my location.

14:54Ben Mandelker: I mean, I'll share my location if I'm like, share it to the end of the day. If I'm running late, I'm like, here, you can see my progress. But I know there are friend groups that all do this. I think it's becoming more and more the norm. And remember, these are millennials. They're of a younger generation than us. So either way, Andy's asking, who made the first move? By the way, I like that Lindsay's asking, were you guys like sleeping together? And he's like, wait a second, we're gonna get to that a little bit later. Okay, so who made the first move? I'm like, you're still talking about the same thing.

15:31Ben Mandelker: So Wes is like, when we were out, I kind of looked at Amanda and I was like, am I fucking crazy? Or is there like a little something going on here or something? And Andy's like, so when was your first kiss? And they both are like, end of February. after brunch. Okay, and when did it first happen that you slept together? And Sierra's like, oh, the brunch that the guys all went to, that was your first kiss? And they're like, yeah, it was. Excuse me. I'm trying to ask the question that I told Lindsay she wasn't allowed to ask five seconds ago. When did you guys first sleep together? And she's like, after this statement, I mean, not that night, but not until after the statement was out.

16:11And Wes's like, um, and also to clear it up, this isn't like a sex scandal or something. It was like hanging out, like, you know, like kisses, like kissy-kissies and stuff like that.

16:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but we know you didn't fuck until recently, a couple weeks ago. Like, first time? Good job. Good job.

16:31It's like, I'm just clearing it up. And Kyle's like, I'd rather not visualize the sex part. Okay, can we just get back to the question? Ugh, I can't even think about it. And Sierra's like, well then Saturday March 7th she says oh my gosh did you want to talk at all I'm super in my head about where we left off this conversation and I hate the thought of things being weird between us because of Wes like that's so silly to me I have nothing going on today or tomorrow and Amanda's like well maybe I should have just said to you from the get go I don't know what's going on I had feelings for someone I'm not supposed to have feelings for I don't know what to do about it

17:03Ben Mandelker: yes yes that is actually what you're supposed to do instead of going out of your way a second time to start lying although it sounds like the second time she was starting to she was thinking about maybe doing what i was saying that she could have done which was sort of segue into into being honest right but um like well i just feel like well no because sarah says if you remove yourself then that's what and then you would remove yourself because that's what a normal friend would do i mean that would have definitely been an argument but it would have been a definitely it would have been a different situation for her situation with everybody else.

17:40You know what I mean? Like, Sierra could have still been in her feelings and been like, that's not girl code. But as far as Amanda being villain, I mean, I think people would have been like, okay, well, you had the conversation when you started to have feelings, you know, at least that's fair, you know? It would have been a different conversation.

17:58Ben Mandelker: Amanda just botched this from, I just, I hate this sort of also, I hate this like follow-up text of like, do you want to talk at all or i'm in my head she should be like i think we need to talk and i'd like to gaslighting her you're like i'm still feeling weird about this after i just fucked west you want to talk about it you know so you can understand that you're being sensitive and i didn't fuck west like hello i mean it still would have been bad if she had had the conversation if she still was dating west and it hurt sierra of course that still would have been a bad thing right like that still would have been a breach of girl code and all of this but i mean she's just It's like, oh, I hate the thought of things being weird between us because of Wes.

18:37Ben Mandelker: It's like the implication is like, oh, this Wes thing, this is so crazy. Just rumors, right? It's so silly. Like, don't be mad at me. So then Sierra's like, yeah, like you said, you remove yourself. That's what a normal friend does. So Andy is like, how would you have responded if she had said that? And Sierra's like, well, Sierra starts to respond. She can't even get it. She can't even respond because Amanda's like, so I'm not allowed to pursue something I feel strongly about. Actually, something that's shocking is that you can't always get everything you decide you want. Like you're just not entitled to every single thing that you would like, you know, you would like to have in life.

19:20Ben Mandelker: It's just that's the way life is. We all want lots of things. We all want to do lots of things. You just can't do it. You just can't do everything. You are not entitled. So in this case, I would say you are not allowed to pursue something or actually let me revise that you are allowed to pursue something that you feel strongly about. What you're not allowed is to have any expectation that you can maintain any sort of friendship and that you can come on to this reunion and tell people how they're supposed to feel and push back when they say that they're hurt and push back about the timelines that they all know about and to lie to their faces.

19:51Ben Mandelker: You just can't have it both ways. Yeah. And I like Lindsay goes, no. or it's a much more succinct way of what i just said no and i mean it's like what are we morally bankrupt and lindsay goes like literally no like hello and amanda goes got it so no one in this world has ever been in a situation like we're not talking about everybody we're talking about you and what you did and lindsay laughs and she's like i mean in high school maybe like we're in our 30s we're not in high school yeah this is like amanda trying to like say like you are i'm like you saw how don't you remember how hurt you were when you got cheated on don't you remember what it felt like to to be on the to bear the brunt of someone lying to your face something that you trusted and loved lying to your face betraying you so yeah sure like in that case you guys were married in this case they're like technically like was there an affair kind of iffy but you understand betrayal is still betrayal and like for you to be like well i'm not the first one to do this you guys should be nice to me it's like what weird what sort of crisis counseling did you receive on this because you are failing and she says well this isn't the craziest thing that's ever happened in the whole entire world you guys are acting like i had an affair and serious like okay just downplay it then but i'm not yes you are what this isn't about you this isn't about you like having going out on your marriage stop she's trying to change the the guidelines here it's like you guys are accusing me of basically having an affair and i didn't i was separated no you're being accused of lying and betraying lying to and betraying your friends so stop trying to make it something else no one's trying to like slut shame you for liking somebody when you were separated you know it's like the valley like the valley they're making it all about oh you guys are talking about danny's drinking everyone here drinks it's not your drinking it's your behavior yeah you know exactly and they're trying to make it like oh you're a bunch of hypocrites you're all drunk right now why are you criticizing us no that's not the point is that your husband's a misogynistic fucking bully and abuser that's the point it's not that he's drinking you dummy so uh siara is accusing amanda of downplaying it and amanda's like i'm not downplaying your feelings.

22:11Ben Mandelker: I'm not downplaying. And they're going back and forth, like talking over each other. And meanwhile, we hear Bailey just whispering to Mia. She's like, well, Wes doesn't sing anything. He's not saying shit. And Mia's like, because what is there to say? I mean, he's just going to get annihilated over and over again. And we see Wes just sitting there, just staring at the tips of his sneakers. Um, um, um, this guy is such a pussy. The boldest thing he ever did was pull that chair up behind Amanda. But, you know, here in the bright lights he just doesn't says nothing and that's one of the most infuriating things about this because all of this is happening well not all of it i mean amanda's behavior is amanda's behavior but this is happening because west never was honest with sierra he never just said listen we're not together we're only friends or if he's saying he's saying he did say that but that he was still sleeping with her so that's the problem you've got this fucking loser leading everybody on and then now the girls are fighting and you see it happen all the fucking time it makes me crazy i mean the girls should be fighting because amanda fucked up but it just makes me crazy that he's sitting there getting off when he causes this shit over and over again so sierra's like okay so you're saying you were so convinced that you had feelings that you were so confused about it but that you put out a statement and you're willing to disrupt the whole equilibrium in the summer house for like what figuring out how you guys are feeling for each other that doesn't make sense no one comes out with a statement to be like oh we're just we just want to figure things out you came out with a statement because you were fucking and you got caught exactly and you knew it was going to be coming out so come on all right well to close out this portion of the conversation hi bailey sorry i didn't finish the clothes um no he's like so i just want to hear sierra like what are your intentions because he and he loves to set an intention and she's like um i mean i don't know i mean i guess we might as well discuss the details before i put them in the ground and cover them with dirt so and it's like okay well we're gonna hit pause on amanda and west and we're gonna circle back on that we'll be right back it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial.

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25:38Ben Mandelker: Download the Klarna app today or visit Klarna.com to learn more. California resident loans made or arranged pursuant to a California financing law license and MLS number 135-3190. Klarna balance account required to be eligible for cash back points limitations terms and conditions apply we've just come back from break and they're all complimenting how each other looks and lindsay's like um you want another girl because he's like oh you look great you look right he's like oh hugh house i'll always take the hug i'll always take a hug from uh hugh house i also like when jesse's like wow lindsay's really giving cruella de vil have you seen cruella de vil She looks nothing like Cruella de Vil.

26:22Ben Mandelker: There's no giant white fur or Dalmatians on her whatsoever. She's just wearing red. Well, but he might be thinking the remake or the prequel or whatever that had What's Her Buns from La La Land in there as Cruella. And they were like, no, really, guys, Cruella's nice. You know when they do that with movies? They're like, oh, the evil stepmother wasn't evil. She was really a glorious girl. She's got a bad rap. They love to make those movies. And I watch them all because I always feel for the terrible people. But Lindsay could be a young Cruella de Vil is my point. I could see her becoming a puppy, you know, the Dalmatian lady in the car.

26:58It's like, get off the road.

27:01Ben Mandelker: I mean, I think if she put on that fur, I could definitely see her as Cruella. But I felt like right in this situation, I felt like this was not a great comp on Jesse's part. So I'm not going to give it to him. Sorry to say. He will not get that from me. He will not. So now guess who's here, guys? Nobody can see her, but Bailey. And Bailey's like, oh, my God, Levi's here. Levi, I really love you, Levi. Everybody's looking around like, all right, we'll just make Bailey feel okay and just nod your head. It'll pass. And Bailey comes in wearing the same green as, I'm sorry, Levi comes in wearing the same green as Bailey.

27:38Ben Mandelker: And Carl's like, oh, I love the green. Love it. And he's like, oh, is Levi wearing soft bar green? We are not calling that soft bar green. It is pea green. And I feel like it's like the new trendy color. I should have known when Alison Roman released her latest cookbook in that color. I was like, wow, that's a bold choice. And now I'm seeing that color everywhere. So, of course, because of course, Alison Roman is going to be on top of a millennial color choice. So I'm like, excuse me, that is Alison Roman pea green. It is not soft bar green. That is Alison Roman dill green. How dare you? That's peapot green.

28:12Ben Mandelker: Alison Roman. You know, also, yeah, soft bar, you don't get your own color, Carl. And where was our color? There was no green in soft bar. Why is it soft bar green? Yeah, where did that come from? Was it in the logo? It's not the logo of soft bar. The place isn't green. What are you talking about? No, I think the website had that color. Soft bar. Are you looking at that? Let me see. I'm looking at that, too. We have to get to the bottom of this. Soft bar. We have to get to the bottom of this green appropriation. The street cap needs to be longer. Oh, the outside's green. And, like, yeah, no, the color scheme is that.

28:41Ben Mandelker: By the way, it's not really the same green. The green of soft bar is more of a gray green, almost with some blue in it. It's actually a beautiful green. It's two different shades of green. It's beautiful. Okay, I'm into it. But yeah, you're right. They're not wearing soft bar green. But by the way, it's not the same green. This is Alison Roman green, not soft bar green. So excuse you, everyone. Yeah, let's get it together, guys, okay? Yeah, let's get together. So Andy's like, all right, welcome back. Back before Wes and Amanda News shattered the internet to pieces, this group managed to come together for plenty of chaos in the fun department.

29:17And the good news is this recap can now start tightening up because I don't need to cover this shit in a three hour recap. Alright, get your fingers on the fast forward buttons. It's fun and games time.

29:32Ben Mandelker: Alright, okay so you saw about a five second quick package of parties. Levi, well, Darren's gonna be coming out in just a little bit. So Levi, enjoy your moment at the end of the sofa because you'll be kicked off of it soon enough. How was your summer? And she's like, it was really fun. The parties were my favorite part to get to know everyone. It was a really incredible summer. Thanks so much for being here, Levi. Wow, what a great contribution. I was like, are you not gonna even ask her about how she took a hoof to the face from a goat? Come on. No, basically Bailey and Levi are like, oh my God, we love each other so much.

30:06Okay, Sierra, your costumes this summer. Wow, through the roof. So we go through Sierra's costumes. And then we go through the cutouts, you know, the cutouts that Kyle made. And then we talk about Mia and Sierra's relationship. Mia is so thankful for Sierra, especially now that her mom has passed because it's been a really rough time for her. So it's been great to have Sierra there. Their friendship's really sweet. and um then we find out about me as relationship and she broke up with scott which you know what

30:40Ben Mandelker: i have to say good move that was a good move good move because she says we broke up at the at the beginning of summer and i thought she was gonna say but we're still talking and trying to make it work out no it's just she broke up and they're single she's single now she deserves it you cannot be you cannot just tie your hopes and prayers on a restaurant tour especially if you're on Summer House. It just does not work out. Especially when in Miami all the time. You can't. Honestly, if someone says they work in nightlife or hospitality on Bravo, just run the other direction and I will be resurfacing this in the In the City recap.

31:16Ben Mandelker: It's just not. Yeah, if I'm going to have somebody not spending time with me, I need it to be local. Yeah, I love the irony of all these people who work in hospitality who are just deeply inhospitable to their partners. Andy's like, well, yeah, we loved you. I'm also laughing because they brought out Levi and they literally said, how was the summer for you? And she says, I love the parties. And then Andy just pivots away and just starts asking everyone else all sorts of questions instead. Not even trying. But I mean, to be fair, Mia, KJ, they're all, they're much bigger stars than Levi is, we have to admit it.

31:52Ben Mandelker: So Andy is asking, he's asking Mia about, you know, her parents because her mom passed away. And it's a really nice moment about that. And then Andy is asking Sierra how single Mia is, you know? And she's like, I mean, look at her. I mean, she just loves Dre. She just loves talking to everyone, right? I'm like, can we just like talk to our group? I mean, right, Mia. So then we go to Bailey and her relationship with Ben. And he asked Ben, did you know that Bailey had as much of a crush on you or she was pretending to have to have a storyline in the house? Let's talk about it. And we see some clips of Bailey being like, oh my God, am I flirting?

32:32He's so hot. He's like Matthew McConaughey. He talks so funny. I love him. And then Ben's like, oh, I did not. Oh, thank you.

32:43Ben Mandelker: He doesn't even say thank you. He's just like, I didn't. And Mia's like, oh, period, end of sentence. He's not like, I didn't, but it's really flattering. And it's nice, but we're just friends. He doesn't say it in a nice, soft way. He's like, I didn't know that she had a crush on me. You're like, oh, okay. All right. So he's still frosty as hell. So now we ask about the birthday dinner where Bailey got in all that trouble for saying, oh, yeah, Ben wants to fuck Amanda. And he's like, is that a mistimed joke or what? And then she's like, 10 ,000 % did not come from jealousy. I was not trying to upset Amanda at her own birthday dinner or insult her.

33:21And they cut to Amanda's face. And she's like, I was like, really? Are you giving attitude right now? Amanda, you need to change your attitude for this entire reunion, ma 'am. So she's like, yeah, I wasn't coming for Amanda. And I felt horrible, you know, but I'd been in a plant costume for three hours. Which, by the way, whose fault is that? I'm not going to feel sorry for you for wearing that damn plant costume.

33:44Ben Mandelker: It's annoying. Yeah, the plant costume excuse. I was dehydrated for being a plant costume. I was like, okay, Bailey, you're trying it right now. And she's like, I just felt like, you know, I felt like they joked about it. And I felt like, you know, because the skinny dipping thing, they had a rapport about it. And then they show a clip of them joking about it, which I liked. That meant that the post-production had Bailey's back on it. And Andy's like, well, by the way, Ben, Ty Pods from Don't Eat Him says, you reacted to Bailey's innocuous joke with such fervor. Do you have anger issues? And he's like, what?

34:20Ben Mandelker: Me? Charming Australian with a nice head of hair. I'm like a Charlie and the Chocolate Factory sort of guy. A little Willy Wonka here. No, what are you talking about? Caught me off guard, that's all. And he's like, I definitely felt hurt, misunderstood, because, you know, that's something that had never crossed my mind. Oh, really? Skinny dipping in a pool in glamorous Italy with a hot person with giant boobs, It never crossed your mind that you might want to. But come on, Ben, you're a male. Get the fuck out of here. So you're a liar is what you're saying. He's like, oh, I would never do that.

34:56And, you know, calling it out in front of everybody. I was like, oh, so Bailey and I hadn't even had a conversation. And now here she is. And Bailey's like, excuse me, a conversation in general? And he's like, anything, any conversation. And she's like, what? He's like, yeah. And she's like, are you fucking kidding me? And he's like, no, hear me out. And she goes, oh, really? We haven't had a conversation. the first week it was just me, you, KJ, Levi we were all doobies and we definitely had converse and Levi's like yeah we knew each other sir

35:23Ben Mandelker: she's like I've got pictures of the three of us hanging out you like to reprimand women that's your problem he's like no no no no she's like you reprimanded her Amanda and I don't like the way you fucking talk to Sabrina and I don't like the way you talk to me and you're full of shit I was like yes yes thank you you could tell she was so ready to tell him that but she was like if he's nice and sweet at this reunion I'm going to give him a pass but the moment he missteps and when he was like acting like oh I I don't even know who this crazy girl is you don't even know me we never had a conversation she's like oh okay listen don't recommend me I was so proud of Bailey and she did it so quickly and so like fast like a boom oh it was great yes so I love that too and Lindsay's like um I feel like we unlocked something in Bailey I mean, well, because Bailey just goes off and Ben's like, wait, Sabrina's done nothing but have your back the whole time.

36:19She's like, well, I adore Sabrina. So don't get me wrong. Adore her. I just think she could do better than you.

36:26Ben Mandelker: He's like, now listen, because you talk to Sabrina like shit. I didn't say anything was wrong with Sabrina. Sabrina is exquisite. I've watched you talk to her and I was like, why does this guy only pop off on women? And then they show a flashback of him, you know, reprimanding Sabrina. I was like, oh, you're in trouble because they are giving Bailey receipts. And so then Bailey's like, when you talk to Kyle, you look like you're going to make out with him no matter how wrong he is. And then we see Ben being really sympathetic to Kyle. She's like, but she says something you don't like, reprimand.

36:52Ben Mandelker: I did something you don't like, reprimand. Levi's like, yeah, you get this face. Yeah, you only reprimand women. I was like, oh, this is like, my heart was racing. This was just like a beautiful little sort of vacation from the scandal. Just have this moment. It's like, yes, there are other things that we have to litigate on this reunion. I'm so happy. And Ben is trying to get it back, but he can't because he's been putting his place so thoroughly. And he's like, well, I mean, someone I didn't know. And you didn't know me either. Calling that out was something that I would never do because I'm boys with Kyle.

37:25And Amanda and I were friends. And sure, I treated her as one of the guys, like one of the boys. And that's what I thought she was. So you calling that out, I wish I had spoken to you. You had spoken to me first and said, listen, I think. What's she going to say? Listen, I'd like to make a joke at dinner about how you plainly want to fuck Amanda. And shut up, Ben. Is this joke authorized? And if it was just one of the dudes, if you looked at Amanda as one of the dudes, you wouldn't have been so offended by the implication. You would have laughed it off like any other gay joke that people make.

37:54Ben Mandelker: Exactly. Well, because I don't give a fuck if you want to or not fuck Amanda. I also think the reason he got so mad was because he was dating Sabrina the whole time. But that's neither here nor there. I was like, ooh, and a little side thing at the end. Like a little like... And Zia was like, oh my, I feel like there's a lot of guys in this house who have secret girlfriends and Andy's like, yeah, they're all liars, basically. Every guy on the show, it looks like he's lying. You know, Ben lied about it. Wes has clearly been lying about it. God knows what Jesse's been up to. Yeah, exactly. We all know Amanda.

38:24Kyle just doesn't remember.

38:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Who here thinks that Ben has had a secret girlfriend the whole summer? So Bailey and Wes raised their hands and Levi, I thought more people would. I think they just were, I think they were being nice. I think they were covering. And Bailey's like, there's a picture of them in June on Instagram, which was a lie. It was from April. but like the point was still a strong one yeah and um he did his denials weren't very believable he didn't i don't even think he did deny it actually and uh she goes yeah in bed and he goes well what's the problem with that and she goes well we film in july so that was the problem with that and andy's like well but he doesn't deny it again and so andy's like well bailey you were completely turned off when ben raised his voice but when carl lost his cool later in the season and you were attracted to him.

39:09And Ben's like, yeah, he wanted to make out with him.

39:11Ben Mandelker: Like the silly lady that you are. Bailey's like, yeah, yes, I did. Because he wasn't yelling at me, a woman, you jackass. He's like, no. He's like, yeah, I mean, what do you think? He was yelling at a fucking car for screaming at a woman. He was defending a woman. He's like, no, but you were saying that he was angry. Isn't that what turned you on? You know, is maybe your little female head not understanding my logic here? She's like, oh, it was hot. It was hot, okay? I'd not get turned on by you being angry. I thought you were the biggest piece of shit ever. Yeah, it's like, well, you would say the same thing about me.

39:43She's like, no. Like, what are you not understanding, Ben? Like, being condescending and demeaning at a woman is different than a guy yelling at another guy. What is not computing for you? Come on. Yeah, in defense of a woman.

39:56Ben Mandelker: In defense of a woman, which is what Carl was doing. So Andy's like, well, Carl was started as a surprise. Oh, God, here we go with this bullshit storyline that Ronnie is never, ever going to buy, no matter how many times you try to trot it out. All right, Carl, love that you separated your eyelashes today. They look very handsome. But let's talk about this surprise connection between you and Bailey. Okay. It made for some of the sweetest moments of the summer. Some of the most sexless moments we've ever seen on this show. You want to talk about those? Yeah. I mean, she's great to talk to. She's got a great personality.

40:32Ben Mandelker: talked a lot about what it was like to wander through the desert for 40 days, 40 nights. Sorry, that was her being stuck in a plant costume for three days, three hours. Just still is dehydrated. I just think she's very in touch with her emotions and very emotionally intelligent. I don't think I fully was clocking some of the energy towards us until maybe the last weekend. I've always been a little cautious in the house for obvious reasons. Camera cut to Lindsay. Thank you very much. I was just trying to play it cool. She's a great woman. and really love her. It's not you, it's me. And we no longer need your services at this firm.

41:06Ben Mandelker: We have a severance package for you. I'm like, Carl, could you please stop speaking in like HR language about this girl? That's how it is. That's how he is. It's not real. So where do things stand with you? He's like, well, we've hung out, you know, in the fall. Yeah, it's spring, Carl. So late spring. Like, come on. He's like, oh, no, go ahead. I love our friendship. Our friendship is great. and I love our friendship, which in case you don't know, that's actually me just seriously putting her in the friend zone right now. And I just haven't really been prioritizing a dating relationship, just like more flirting and like having fun and like, I don't know.

41:43Ben Mandelker: I actually am in a relationship right now. I've got a lady who's really doing a lot for me. I haven't mentioned it. Ciara talked about secret girlfriends and I've got one. Her name is Marathon, I'm training for a marathon. Oh, that's my mistress. Mary Thawne, she's great. lots of time lines yeah she is uh her cousin is maritime law maritime law and now we have marathon yeah she's hot yeah this carl you know i i get the pressure being on this show you know look at levi you don't date somebody that's it or you don't show interest in somebody you get no screen time and i get that that's the pressure of the show this show is a bordello it's a whorehouse so i get that and carl's already feeling put out to pasture because he's not on in the city he's been sober on this show for a couple of years and really boring the life out of me but you know i get the pressure but the man is the man's not dating anybody he does not want to date anybody what is it going to take the world to understand carl is just not into it let the man live his his ace dreams what does support it ace what does ace mean i saw you mention it asexual oh so you say let's the man just like if that's what's going on i mean i don't know but just let the man not want anybody, okay?

42:55He clearly doesn't. So just leave him alone. It's like coming up to the same guy over and over with an appetizer tray and he just keeps telling you no. At some point, you're just going to go to the chubby person standing in the corner salivating, whose name is Ronnie, okay? Move along to me.

43:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Bailey, did you take Lindsay's advice and send Carl nudes? And Bailey's like, I did not send Carl a nude because I thought that would be insane. Well, he might be hard at that point. Hard bar, he'll go from soft bar to hard bar. Get it? Cause he's like soft, cause he has like a limp dick. Like West, and then his horn, he's got like a hard bar. Hard bar, soft, you know. Have you guys ever heard of a penis before? How many times I'll explain this joke, guys? Like, yeah. And Carl's like, that's funny. And Andy goes, well, what would you do if they sat in a nude? And Carl goes, hit open hard bar.

43:46And Lindsay's like, are you gonna give me credit for that? What the fuck? I literally just said it.

43:53Ben Mandelker: And Kyle goes, well, that was a combination. No, Lindsay made the joke and you said, that's funny. You stole it. You appropriated Lindsay's joke right on TV. This is a big scandal. This should be up there with the Sierra thing. What's going on here? So Carl's like, well, I mean, oh, I like where we are. You know, right now, I like the friendship place. I like when they wear the colors of my restaurant. that's what i'm into and and bailey gets yeah and we're in different places in our lives i mean you're a lot older than me he's like oh whoa i i for forget about that the uh yeah there's some age difference actually yeah i don't forget about that wait a second wait a second how old are you you're you've hit like 66 or something like that well i'm 31 and i'm 41 and andy looked does it look like?

44:44Ben Mandelker: It's only 10 years. It's not that big. And she's like, well, I feel like mentally and skincare-wise, he's in a place of wanting to be... He's just a little bit more older and wanting to be married. And he knows exactly what he wants. Which is her very diplomatic voice. It's just that Carl looks like he's been 41 for 41 years. That makes any sense. Listen, I'm a fan of Harry Dean Sandin as much as anyone else was. R.I.P. I don't remember where I was going with this. I probably shouldn't say anything more. So Carl is like, well, look, I'm just not trying to fuck around. I really want to date seriously and get married and have a family at some point, but I don't want to waste my time.

45:19Ben Mandelker: So, by the way, Bailey, congratulations. You are officially a waste of time. So, just like some random hookups that was maybe in the past. I don't know, when I was drinking and using, but even in the last two years, I really tried to get to know someone and feel comfortable. And like I said, when you're sober, he basically says, he's sober now. Hooking up is different. You got to relearn how to do things. He's probably just a bit gun-shy at the moment. And after having gotten through Lindsay, he's just kind of like, let me run some marathons. I'm not, I'm just not interested in any of this, you know, hors d 'oeuvre tray analogy.

45:51Ben Mandelker: Once again, can be reinserted. Yeah. He's, uh, he's just shell shocked still. Um, I want to say girls still just basically just a giant shell shocked guy. What are you going to do? Totally. Speaking of shell shocked, I have to say something that I totally forgot to mention that I just feel like I want to point out, which I thought was so funny when they were talking to Mia about her long-term relationships. I should say about like breaking up with Scott. And Andy was like, are you dating anyone? And she's like, I'm saying single. And she goes, I just don't think it's a good idea to go from serious relationship to serious relationship.

46:21Ben Mandelker: And the camera cut to Wes and Amanda. And then Amanda just like looks at her knees. I was like, oh, that was so funny. I love that. I just want to point that out. I just love this. You know, there's an art to a good reaction shot. They have to curate those shots. And even if that moment came from a different part of the show, good job post-production. So now we move on to KJ, which is a warning, a sad part. So they're talking to KJ and his relationship with Mia and Sierra and how they're like big sisters, never let him get away with anything. And then we talk about KJ's fall, which is rough. So basically KJ had to check into a mental hospital because of mental health reasons and for self-harm.

47:09and it's so sad i was shocked that he opened up about it was great i think it's great that he did i think he handled that really well i think that everybody handled it really well but there should

47:22Ben Mandelker: be no stigma i felt so bad for kj yeah he is so sweet he's been like a lovely lovely addition to the show i think everyone just like uniformly loves kj and um he's just he's just like a lovely guy. It's been really nice seeing Sierra and Mia sort of take him under their wing. Um, but now to see the full depth of how their friendship has been buoying him has been really, that's actually really, really moving. But also I was so, I was so proud and glad that he sort of unabashedly just said, I had to check myself into a hospital for self-harm because for a lot of people, There's so much stigma about even just getting help for mental health and let alone going, you know, checking into a facility like there should be no truly like no stigma around that.

48:08Ben Mandelker: I think it's like great if people have if people do that, I think it's great. You're doing what you need to do to help yourself. And it should not be seen as some like like, oh, hush, hush. Like, oh, my God, can you believe it? And the fact that he was so open about it and he really like he shared that and he's talked about how he got diagnosed with BPD, which I imagine is bipolar disorder. I just I was really I was I was really appreciative that he shared that with the audience. It's like just one more person normalizing these kind of things for the for for people. I think it's great. So he really did.

48:43Ben Mandelker: He had a small moment on this reunion, but it was very impactful, I thought. Yeah, good for that guy. Here comes one right now.

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51:07Now we go back to Sierra. Sierra came into this season with her walls down. and now they talk about her house basically and um she updates us that her mom is helping her a lot with the renovations because she's not there and her mom's more into it anyway which is really cute

51:27Ben Mandelker: i love that and she's just like oh mom just do it yeah she's like if you're gonna bug me about it every day just take it over it yeah um and so now they're building new memories and stuff stuff and how she's learned that life is so short with your parents. And so Andy says, Mia, you know, you were the one who talked about what a big deal this was for Sierra. And she's like, you know, Sierra downplays her success and I can't stand that. And I went through the entire process with her and to see her actually purchase it, that was a big deal for her, you know? Yeah. That's very cool. And I love this question from Sydney from Belmar who said, she said, as a black woman, I need to say it's a feat to go from being capital to owning capital.

52:14Ben Mandelker: Like what a great, like great turn of phrase, only being five or so generations from slavery. And I hope you're proud of yourself. And it was really, it was actually a really lovely moment as well here. And KJ was saying that he's proud of her and how hard she works. And Sierra is getting choked up. And this is why this is a great reunion because it was like, there was stuff that was like very urgent that I really wanted to see stuff addressed that we got with Wes and Sierra. I loved seeing that clash that was happening. I loved more of the frothy moment with Bailey and Ben. I loved these serious moments.

52:47Ben Mandelker: Sometimes the serious moments are like, oh, this is serious, but you're kind of like, okay, fast forward. But this was like, I thought these were like really moving moments. Yeah, and so Andy's like, so Wes? And Wes's like, um, um, um. Now let's drag it down into the gutter. Well, you know, that's where we're going. That's how it always is. It's like, all right, let's take a break from the fighting. Let's talk about some really meaningful things. Okay, back to the fighting. Okay. So now we get to Wes. He's like, well, like, I originally, like, I didn't even know about the house. But, like, just, like, knowing Sierra, like, I was just, like, proud of her, you know?

53:21Because, like, she, like, got a house. It was, like, awesome. So Andy's like, so, Sierra, what made you soften at the end of the summer towards West? I'm sorry.

53:32Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry. I couldn't stand the way he said this. I could not stand when it's like, because the question was like, how did you, was it tough for you to not be able to share in her drawer because she didn't tell you? And it says this whole like West sort of thing. And it sort of ends by saying, but yeah, we had a conversation about the house and that helped bring me up to speed. What? Like, that's what I can't stand. Is that like, what is, like you had a conversation to help bring you up to speed. I wasn't, we weren't sending you an email saying like, did you get the memo about it? It's like, how did you feel?

53:59Ben Mandelker: But it's like, he just sort of says a whole bunch of nothing. She wouldn't talk to me, so how am I supposed to know about anything? She wouldn't. It's just so much nothing that sounds like it's something. It's a whole bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing. Yeah, but it's not nothing, because he's saying she wouldn't talk to me, and she cut me out. She's up there victimizing himself, as usual. So Andy's like, Sierra, what made you take him back as a friend? And Sierra's like, well, I mean, I don't want everyone to think I just have this hard exterior and that's all there is. And Kyle's like, you've been hardened.

54:38You've been hardened. And she's like, yeah, you know, and I'm tired of giving people chances to fuck me over. And Andy's like, okay. And then that final night you made out in the backyard. And Wes is like, I mean, yeah, it was ear stuff. They're like, what? You know, like your ears.

54:58Ben Mandelker: And Billy's like, ear? Like ear licking? like is that a thing? Hey Carl, do you want to look at my ear? Do you want to lick it? Like my ear? Oh no. Were you rubbing all over her with your ear or were those your hands? And then when you followed her back inside and were like joking around that you were going to sleep together and then kissed again? Was that just your ears too? Stop. So this is where, and then Andy's like, Amanda, were you aware that they were canoeing last weekend? And she's like, no, not to that extent. No. So she's clearly bothered because as she would be if her timeline was overlapping here.

55:36Ben Mandelker: And Kyle's like, can I just be like, can I put on my tinfoil cap here? Okay, it's actually made of old Loverboy cans. So you're welcome. Anyway, are you kind of like breadcrumbing the audience? Because sometimes it seems like you know what to say to win people over. And your friends, Sierra, the audience, are you kind of like getting what I'm getting? Did I use breadcrumbing right? Are we actually putting nine breadcrumbs? He's like, no, you really didn't, but it's okay. And Mia's like, I agree. And Sierra says, yeah, like at this point, it's all bullshit. You used it for a storyline because honestly, you and Amanda feels like the best type of revenge you could execute.

56:11You know, and honestly, good for you. Good for you.

56:14Ben Mandelker: I love it. Honestly, good for you. Wait a second. I'd like to chime in over here. I generally felt that when Wes was saying these things to me and when you guys, I generally felt like this was real. And I was like, no, but like, by the way, at no point did I say that we're going to like date again or I'm pursuing her. I mean, I, I said, I gave you compliments and like, I do look up to you, you know, and I think you're great. And we had a great time together. And like, at no point have I said, I'm trying to get Sierra back. Like we're going to date like again, like at no point did I ever say that.

56:44Ben Mandelker: I'm like, you kissed her on the lips, ma 'am. Yeah. Sorry. And you, you were very careful to say on camera that you weren't trying to get back with Sierra, But then every indication that you gave her was that you liked her and you wanted to get back together. We've watched the show, West, okay? It's not just a transcript that everybody is going to read and be like, well, he said this. We saw how you were acting, dude. And Sierra's like, you're full of shit. Like, he told Ben that he had a crush on me. So we see a flashback of that. And then when we were together, it was magic. And then we see him telling him that.

57:20And then she's like, you know, he was sad and depressed and all these things that he expressed towards Ben this summer. And Mia's like, can I ask you a question, Wes? Question, Wes, honestly, I mean, hearing all of this and saying what you said to Ben about it's magic with Sierra and all these things. Did you even mean that?

57:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't lie about our relationship being great. But I also recognize in that time I was like not going to be what Sierra needed. And so like we ended it because so the way we ended it was like I made out with her and I was like, we should do this more. that's like how I ended it so like we got dinner right after summer and I told Sierra like what my plans were and like how much I learned the first time from like what affects Sierra like all that stuff and like I just wasn't gonna jump down that rabbit hole again honestly even if he said all this this is fine and then I fucked her twice and then I fucked her twice honestly like like but you probably said what he said on camera which is I just don't want to present to her like I'm ready to be a boyfriend I want to like sort of be in a committed relationship and I don't want to play with your heart.

58:16Ben Mandelker: He probably said something like that, which is why this whole thing is so frustrating because you say you're not willing to sort of, you know, you're not in a place where you want to be in a relationship. And yet you are because you're willing to be in a relationship with Amanda. And like, how is that supposed to make Sierra feel? And that's like, especially it's got to, it just has to re-trigger some of the feelings that she was feeling earlier in the summer with Jesse, when, you know, she expresses that as a black woman, she often feels like white guys kind of want to experience her and then move on or they're like scrap like like check that off the list you know like oh i dated i hooked up with a black lady and move on it has to has to has to like like the one you take home without the one you take home yeah yeah exactly and so like it's just so insulting and um that's what that's one of the things that really drives me nuts about his behavior around all this but is he is he willing to with amanda or is that the problem that amanda's having because you know everyone's assuming that's our boyfriend and girlfriend now but he was still hooking up with sierra's he was hooking up with that other girl then they released a statement saying they want to they want to make it work i mean but when that was not committing if that's not committing right when was that that was the statement in the original statement yeah that was oh god that statement was just so so full of bullshit but like He's willing to make it work with Amanda, but with Sierra, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

59:46Ben Mandelker: I don't know if I can commit to this. It's like, bro, it's just fucked up. So Wes is like, you know, I know things that can be casual for me aren't cashy cash for like Sierras, and we had this conversation. I mean, pretty mistakey wikies along the way, but I'm really pretty proactive and trying to protect our friendship and not send the wrong messages. What part? about this entire situation says you're protecting your friendship with Ciara. This drives me nuts. When you said that, I was like, what part about sneaking around and lying behind Ciara's back and having sex with Amanda either before or after this relationship, embarking on this relationship, what says this is protecting the friendship?

1:00:33Ben Mandelker: I mean, come on. Yeah, and Andy's like, well, how did you do it differently? And he's like, well, we didn't have sex. That was huge. And she's like, oh, please. like we weren't sending flirty texts and all that and he goes yeah i mean we communicated like significantly less and like i think like maybe we'd slept over like like one time since summer and then she's like twice okay so wow the big difference is you're not having sex but you are still having sex but it was only a couple it was like less frequency so then that's but but let's say the most conservative way like let's say she slept over it they didn't have sex they cuddled you cannot tell me that like oh since we didn't have sex i didn't give any indication that i wanted a date if you're cuddling with her if you're kissing her late at night and you have all this history where you did one state and you finally got over this hump of like forgiveness and everything and you're doing these things but you're like whoa like why would i why would she ever think that i would want to date her because we didn't have sex so why would she ever think i'd want to date her i mean he is like literally deluded on this point he's just lying he's just flat out lying.

1:01:36He knows what he's doing. He does it to everybody. He does the same. He plays by the same play. He plays the same play on everybody. You know, he goes, he gets what he wants, and then he just keeps saying, well, I'm not ready for a relationship. We've seen this with all the guys here on this show and on Bravo and in real life multiple times where they want to get what they want, say they don't want a relationship, but then kind of lead you on to make you think that they're going to be ready for a relationship, just not yet. And meanwhile, they're doing whatever they want. And then when you get called out, when they get called out on it, they're like, but I told you I wasn't ready.

1:02:09I know it's infuriating.

1:02:12Ben Mandelker: By the way, Ronnie, I think there's something about sitting in your chair that's making me a little extra ranty. I'm like, well, the spirit of Ronnie is in my body right now. You've marinated too long in my seat. And another thing. So Lindsay asks, she's like, so can I ask you a question? What's stronger when you just have sex or when you have an emotional connection with somebody? What's stronger? And he's like, um, emotional. And she's like, okay, thank you. I don't think he even gets it. I don't think Wes even got the point she was making. He's like, no, that's weird. That's a weird question to ask.

1:02:45So Mia's like, so you don't think having sleepovers this fall and still like kissing and stuff and not having sex, that wasn't a strong connection? That wasn't important? Are you getting this yet? And he's like, well, like our chemistry, but like we didn't like talk for like two years. and like we're just like right back in it and like it's like a real thing and like i i fell short in those moments and i'll acknowledge that but you know there's like a new me times where i'd like trying to take like steps to not allow us to get like romantic or you know like something like that or like fizz like fizzy and then like just keep it as friends but you know because i want to learn i want to be your friend and learn the first summer quest you're not talking yourself out of this like no just stop you lead somebody on then you fuck them over and fuck their best friend right under their nose and then lie about it for months like there's just shut up you're not gonna

1:03:36Ben Mandelker: fall short in a moment if you just say hey i just really only want to be friends after everything let's just be friends sierra's gonna respect that but if you don't say that sierra's you're gonna give her a mixed message and she is gonna want to come over and cuddle because that's the vibe that you're giving but if you say i only want to be friends i guarantee sierra's like the queen of boundaries she will respect it she also is someone who's respectable and will and so like she will honor those type of things so um so he's like yeah i just wanted to be your friend and like i fell short and and i just i you know i learned i was just really trying to set these boundaries and andy goes yeah we didn't see that what uh yeah we didn't see that yeah no i mean um at the end of the summies, I just was like, I was like, it got like romantic again.

1:04:23Ben Mandelker: And then last weekend, I just like tank full of counties for all that. And I'm just like, for sure. I'm like, okay, thank you. Thank you again for just doing your standard chat GPT apology. So Sierra's like, so even trying to be friends, that's what you do to your friends. There we go. Oh my God, Wes, you are so good. Like you're like, I'm getting pulled into you right now. And I have to catch myself because like, you're so fucking good. Like you're good at pulling girls, do whatever you need to do to climb the ladder to clout chase to get wherever you fucking need to go and Sierra's like and then you drop them she goes yeah and then boom they don't work for you they don't serve what you need to be served and you drop them and you're going to do the same fucking thing to Amanda when this is not working out because it's not going to and you're not going to be able to handle it Wes because you're a fucking toddler and then Sierra's like or maybe they'll be together because I honestly think that the best woman for sure is someone who's not going to check them on anything and that's totally Amanda she's very mute she's gonna be that weak figure that that he needs and he can always be the star of the relationship so i actually think that maybe it could work and amanda just like i mean ouch that was a hard that was a hard read i mean that was that was by the way i think in terms of lindsey's read versus sierra's read how about all of the above i think that amanda will be mute and she will just sort of be the best woman for Wes because she won't call him out except for like she'll call him out on minor things like she did with Kyle not minor things but like you know you don't do this whatever and I think that he will ultimately drop her for something bigger like it's it's an it's amount of time before this thing just falls I don't know I think Sierra might be right because Amanda could just go back in her same old pattern of like my teacher Gina like to do the whining thing with him for another 10 years you know while he's off doing whatever the fuck he wants um but yeah two very strong reads from lindsey and sierra my god and they just laid it right out on the table and then kyle goes that was harsh yeah kyle because it implies that you were the shithead that she was mute for okay you haven't said one thing to stand up for amanda this whole time and rightly so and now it's not the time to start just because your little ego was bruised so sit down sir yeah by the way if you're gonna say that was harsh to sierra say it to lindsey too so then Kyle was like yeah it was harsh and Sarah was like well that's your wife she's not my wife I'm just saying you have every right to feel the way you feel but even though it was hard but it was hard for me to hear and let's not forget I'm the biggest victim here of all of you so guys it's really about what I feel at the end of the day my god what an episode what a reunion what a time to be alive what a time I gotta give a shout out to our notetaker Kaleen because Because that was a lot.

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