#3416 Summer House S10E20 Part Two: The Aftermath Ain’t Mathin’

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1:45Watch what happens when there's so much that it happens. Watch what happens when there's so much that it happens.

2:13Ronnie Karam: Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

2:20Ben Mandelker: So now it's seven days later, and we go to Kyle's apartment. And here comes Wes, and Kyle is like, have you ever been here before? And Wes is like, oh, no. He's like, have you never been here? This is my first time. Meanwhile, the dog comes running up to Wes.

2:33Ronnie Karam: It's like, oh, my God, Wes. Girl, I love you. I love you so much. Oh, my God, Wes. I love you. It's like rolling around on the floor.

2:43Ben Mandelker: Let me take you to your favorite spot on the couch.

2:48Ronnie Karam: That was great. Carl's like, clearly the dog knows you. He's like, um, barely know the dog. Wes is like trying to not pet the dog. The dog's like, come on, you love me. Don't you love, remember how you love petting my stomach? I don't pet me, pet me, pet me like you always do. He's like, I do not know this dog.

3:05Ben Mandelker: Well, listen, this is awkward. It's almost a feeling I can't describe. Am I supposed to be supportive here? Am I supposed to punch her in the face and ask how could you? Like, I don't know. All I really needed to do was just put on a Loverboy shirt because there's never a bad time to promote it.

3:18Ronnie Karam: So, hey, listen, no matter what happens, Loverboy is more fucked than this marriage. I'm going to promote it during this scene and the entire hour that follows this show. Oh my God, I'm so fucking sick of Loverboy. Just shoot it in the head already. I'm sick of it. The whole next episode is full of fucking Loverboy. I'm tired of it. Let it go, Kyle, okay? Treat it like your marriage and just let it swim away. Please.

3:43Ben Mandelker: so Kyle's like you know uh I want you to know I don't have a game plan sort of like with Loverboy itself and I know you texted me weeks ago saying you wanted to chat and I don't think I don't want you to think that like there's gonna be like gotcha moments because I'm not Lindsay I'm just I don't know how to do it yeah right I've already played my I've already played my Mija card

4:05Ronnie Karam: exactly yeah so Kyle's like I really don't know which this is a weird position to be in you know um but it's also like you don't need to just be amanda's dad now because i think that that's the the position he's chosen he's like well i don't know what to say so i'm just gonna be amanda's dad you better have good intentions for my daughter sir and it's just super weird i don't it's a weird it's a weird it's a weird stance to take yeah yeah i feel like i would have

4:34Ben Mandelker: liked i would have liked someone there just a little harsher on west than kyle i mean kyle tried his best but i wanted someone who could like crack the whip a little bit more i don't know who that would have been i don't know if there's anyone on the cast aside from lindsey who really

4:47Ronnie Karam: was qualified to do that bailey bailey might have been able to like a little baby lindsey like bailey could have done some hard questions i think but um you know she's danielle bring in page page page would blame it all on lindsey somehow page would find a way for it all to be lynn's father but kyle yeah kyle's not the right one because kyle whether or not he was married to amanda it's the fact that kyle is a guy who always needs forgiveness and he's always going to understand a douchebag guy he's always going to be able to say like i get where you're coming from can't really blame you i mean she's hot right go for it yeah it is really hot it's a

5:28Ben Mandelker: little surprising that maybe they didn't bring in carl like could have been like west meeting with the elders of the show. Like, here are the guys. I mean, they kind of say, like, you know, Lindsay, Kyle, and, well, I guess Lindsay went on to Carl's podcast and was like, without even saying anything, when this all happened, like the three of us, like him together. And so like, you kind of would think there may have been a world where they have Carl there because Carl was pretty chippy at the reunion. And I think he might have brought some of that energy to maybe ask some of the questions that Kyle wasn't thinking of in the moment i don't know but either way um we see a text from uh west asking to talk with kyle and it's as long and meandering as you can imagine it's like a whole block um well i'm sorry oh we didn't do this and like i'm sorry for compromising family it means a lot and like i don't know i just feel like we could like hang out and like it's just like i don't know i'm like sorry but like it might take a bit but like our friendship is important and it's like it's like it's common ground is like really important for me to find it's like and it goes on like that for

6:28Ronnie Karam: like a forever and it is really just so typical you know we've said it about so many problem and it doesn't even matter because you're so practiced it's like a ramona apology from new york you know it's like whoa you know what i'm very sorry i wanted to apologize you know we've i've had time to decompress and you know what i'm sorry he's everything i did wrong by the letter and i just what you know. You're my family. Okay? And even though you look 20 years older than me, you're kind of my baby.

7:01Ben Mandelker: Okay? That's it. I mean, I'm going to give Ramona credit. When she does her canned apology, she's remarkably effective with it. She gets taken back time and time again by her castmates, audience, lots of people. People are like, well, it's just Ramona. She's like, you know what? I see things and I feel bad and I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I did that to you. I don't like breaking her heart. hey, Bethany, I'm sorry. And she'll rub your face or whatever. Wes can't even do a Ramon apology. He does, though.

7:32Ronnie Karam: I think he does a very good Ramon apology. He apologizes for every little thing, specifically you know, he's a very good apologizer. He's practiced at it a lot, so it's a great apology. And even Carl's like, okay, that was great. Glad you came over. It's like, what are you going to do? He knows how to disarm people because he's a manipulator, you know. I did like that he ended the text with love you dog when he was probably literally talking to the dog. The dog is like, oh my god, I've kept that text. It's on the fridge. I printed it out. It is on the fridge. I love you so much. Why do you smell like a Begum strip?

8:08Ronnie Karam: Why? God, I love you.

8:10Ben Mandelker: Well, personally, I just kind of felt like so much of our life has been public that if we're going to have a conversation, we might as well film it because if a Loverboy t-shirt falls in the forest and no one is here to watch it, plus it even being worn in the first place.

8:25Ronnie Karam: the biggest question I had to ask for you, are mock turtlenecks gay? Lever boy. Lever boy.

8:32Ben Mandelker: So clearly Wes wanted this conversation off camera. And Kyle's like, no, we are going to extend this. So Wes is like, yeah, well, I just figured like, well, this is not going to make it into the final cut, but like my time on camera is over, you know, but this probably won't, this probably won't make it. um that so i guess he's already assuming he's not like it he's either gotten word that he's getting fired or he is just sensing it but he's like i think when people do a bad job at the reunion um or in my experience anything i've done following it publicly has just like landed poorly and so i don't want you to think that i like waited until the reunion was over and then like gathered myself i was like okay let's film a scene together kind of thing you know

9:19Ronnie Karam: yeah uh yeah because like you know like processing and then like no like oh i don't know lint pick lint pick lint pick staring off into space like slowing down but like soaking it all soaking it all in like i don't know it didn't really happen until like i don't know like the last few weeks maybe the last two weeks or so oh really you've been with one of your best friends why and then you're just now like oh yeah i guess just you know the reunion yeah it's really it's just really it really makes you think about stuff huh yeah like um post-reunion just like i just

9:58Ben Mandelker: like adrenaline i mean like when this all happened like everything was like such a fucking disaster like tornado and like there's like so many layers but like the friendship part has been like really hard to process to like watch it fully implode and like other people you care about like who i care about like it sucks and like you posted that video of us fucking playing basketball and i'm like fucking like it's hard to know what's like something special like a super just say you fuck

10:23Ronnie Karam: oh my god geez so annoying and i love that his big thing like of all this friendship is like remember when we played basketball in the pool i can't believe i would fuck somebody over that like slam dunked it's crazy like yeah it sucks yeah and he's like there was a bond like we gelled you know and like i was like whoa look if west is lying about this and lying about this like where does that leave us like i mean it kind of puts people in an awkward spot you know like wow it's like yeah because like clearly if i could go back i would like clearly do things different you know like clearly would you yeah what do you you would not know

11:08Ben Mandelker: you're not it's like i lied to sierra and i lied to me and i lied to lindsey and i lied to jesse and i mean like more like at the time he doesn't even mention kj what about kj he's like i lied to everyone he's like mentioning like the the line producer and the craft service person he's like but i'm here today to obviously have like an honest conversation with you where i won't look at you the entire time i'm just gonna stare at that wall i was like i appreciate that you know look For me, there's the friendship of all on one side, and then there's Amanda. And the fact that no matter what, I still care about her.

11:40Ben Mandelker: I still love there. And she owes me a few more designs for some sweatshirts. So let's not forget that.

11:47Ronnie Karam: Yeah, no. Yeah, no. He and Amanda are both yeah-knowers. That makes me fucking crazy. Yeah, no. No, yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Do you like the color red? Yeah, no. No, yeah. Yeah, no. Do you like it or not? What the fuck? Yeah, no, no. Yeah, no. So he's like, yeah, no, I get that. But do you want full honesty, even though it would be hurtful? Do you want that? He's like, yeah, because there's no reason to lie. Okay, but I'll do it anyway.

12:22Ben Mandelker: You know what? Instead of honesty, why don't we just do a reading of the Sisters Rosenzweig? How about that? Of course. Of course you want honesty. Why would you ask that? Do you want honesty?

12:31Ronnie Karam: No, I don't want honesty. I want you to sing your best Amy Grant song.

12:37Ben Mandelker: Um, well, okay. So, uh, uh, Kyle's like, look, like, you know, I convinced Amanda not to do the podcast that she literally was about to hop on a flight. And I was like, you haven't watched season, the season a, you haven't watched the season B. We haven't even seen the reunion. How can you do this? Like if you speak or choose in a moment, like what, what are you doing it on? Like, I mean, like, I don't know. Like, have you watched like the second half of the season? And, of course, West is like, no.

13:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, right. I don't believe you. You watched it with your penis in your hand. Like, I don't believe for one second you didn't watch this. Also, what the fuck is Amanda thinking? She's going to go on West's podcast as her big tell-all crazy. And, of course, he's going to want that for his ratings. But, like, yikes. And Kyle's like, how dare you try to usurp my show by going on to your stupid podcast and getting Amanda as your guest on the podcast. instead of this show how dare you sir and he's like whoa but like um like i mean i will watch the season but like i mean honestly like it kind of leads into like oh you guys need to watch it

13:45Ben Mandelker: oh no yeah like no i agree yeah no like yeah no yeah no yeah no yeah yeah no no no no yeah no yeah yeah picking picking he's like picking fleets off him it's like so um well if i'm being honest the amount of things that you did to kind of lure sierra back in like sometimes it's like so blatant on screen and you know like it makes people like me and like shoot like the rest of the audience wonder like what are your intentions like their moment was like it's like really long hugs like sensual touch touching and everything and kyle's like making it out etc etc i loved all the flashbacks and he's like it doesn't take a genius to see that sierra still has feelings for you like you're a very touchy guy and then they show all these pictures of like west being touchy by the way we didn't mention that during the manda segment there was one point where she's talking about finally being happy and there are these pictures of her just like you know she's like smiling and some of them and there's like this one video where she's just like staring at the camera like morosely and then she like lifts her her she gets this faintest smile it's like oh wow look at that the euphoria it's coming off the screen yeah he's like yeah sometimes i'll watch

15:00Ronnie Karam: last summer and it makes me uncomfortable like without touchy you are with amanda like yeah knowing we were like full-on married and still trying to make it work but i mean the same thing goes for sierra you know i mean you need to be aware of this like you're just immediately kind know like inappropriate how touchy you are like yeah he knows he doesn't give a fuck he's so touchy that it didn't even strike anybody as weird that he was holding hands with your wife at the dinner table like yeah even us even the audience was like man he's just that's that's

15:33Ben Mandelker: west it's like yeah um that's fair and like that was a learning lesson and um after summer ended um we did kiss twice and i think he's talking about sierra in this case he goes and i believe um we went to a giants game separately and then she asked for a ride to ride the bus home and then like she asked me for my address and like i didn't give it to her like on her birthday i went and i wanted to be a good friend and then went on after but then i was like no i'm going home and like i know i have like fucked up and like i've not been perfect but i think like you know i i was trying to do the right thing a handful of times a handful of times he's like i could have he's like i could have fucked sierra so many times

16:15Ronnie Karam: and i didn't okay is what he's really saying and he's also adding in there and she's a fucking stalker because then we went to you know then we she asked to ride the bus home and then she asked me for my address and i didn't give it to her really what is that suggesting like sierra asked me for my address and i said no well what are you implying that's so weird

16:38Ben Mandelker: yeah but i just also love him trying to get like all the credit in the world for doing uh what he calls the right thing a handful of times it's like he didn't go out one officer being like hey i i uh stopped a handful of criminals so i think i'm pretty good police officer i was like what or yeah a guy on trial for murder like

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20:42Ben Mandelker: the line and you can't cross it he's like yeah no totally no yeah so is that not totally or is that yeah totally give me maybe a handful of references

20:58Ben Mandelker: let's start with the big obvious things if you don't mind okay yeah no how good is lover boy let's get the most obvious question out of the way it's so good right so good yeah no all right

21:10Ronnie Karam: me like i mean i made tons of mistakes in my relationships but i've never just full blown had a freaking secret girlfriend i mean my god man make out with a stranger at a bar like everybody

21:20Ben Mandelker: else like i didn't know you could do that if i had known all this time i mean that would have been pretty awesome so then uh was like yeah well that's crazy to me yeah right yeah right yeah yeah okay well you're not you know you know i don't think you're seeing that i'm trying to get you to say i shouldn't have done that i should have told my friends i had a girlfriend

21:44Ronnie Karam: yeah no yeah no get it i get it i totally get it uh-huh okay well with me i wasn't open-ended with her because like that's the part i don't get he's like no like like she was 100 operating is like if we have like a full-blown relationship but like like exclusive you know but like I wasn't and that's unfair and that's like fucking shitty and I definitely let her on and like I do I did care about her but it was very much like a relationship that wasn't a relationship and I shouldn't have like been pretending it wasn't a relationship when it was a relationship that it wasn't a relationship you know what I mean yeah well that's all I wanted you to admit it

22:29Ben Mandelker: the reunion like you led her to believe that you were in an exclusive relationship and i've had a lot of exchanges with her you know and it's like you wanted to have her your cake and eat it too and he kind of lied to all of us by your relationship status by the way that reminds me i'm gonna fucking waste tonight having some cake on that counter yes can't wait oh yeah yeah

22:49Ronnie Karam: but like not like leaning all the way in like i have cake and i like eat the cake because like that's what you do when you have cake like if you don't eat cake it's like wasted cake but like yeah like i want you to know that like cake is good and i'm like worried for you know like i like my communication wasn't great like she me i wanted me to visit her family for christmas and i was like no that's not where my relationship is you know that's like you're stuffing the turkey at my mom's thanksgiving that's where our relationship is like it's you know maybe it's like it's easier to be like no i don't want to like buy your mom a christmas present than to be like i'm not dating

23:27Ben Mandelker: you you know i'm just not dating you he says i look at um ambiguity as communication that's literally the opposite of communication yeah like but you know what here's what kills me

23:44Ronnie Karam: he communicates it so well and that's what's crazy about all of this west and amanda stuff he doesn't even lie we're not really i mean he does like tell little lies like about the timeline that they've set up but ultimately it's like i mean yeah sure i like led the girl on but like i was trying to like not lead her on to him i was just trying to like lead her on enough but like when i didn't want to introduce her to my mom she should have fucking known i mean he's it's just that is his communication he's just a fucking lying you know he's a manipulative fuck boy you know yeah he really is it's like being so honest about his lies i guess is what's confusing

24:23Ben Mandelker: me yeah and kyle's like i mean if you want to get to the demand of it all i mean i'm worried about her because you know as people learn about miha and how like how much like you've lied i think it's going to make her look even like crazier uh for kind of ruining it all for a relationship that with a guy that who's like that and you guys are just like still figuring it all out and then by the way in the middle of this the dog is like bouncing all over West it's like literally like licking his ear and everything

24:49Ronnie Karam: the dog will not leave him alone and then Kyle keeps taking the dog and like putting it in his lap and the dog is like and then eventually gets over there and West is doing his best to just not touch he's like giving it a little pep but he won't look at it or anything he's like you don't know me dude you don't know me

25:11Ben Mandelker: yeah and Kyle's like I mean, she hasn't even been single. Like, she could have probably benefited from some time where she just focused on herself. Kyle's suddenly the advocate of Amanda.

25:22Ronnie Karam: He is. And that's his thing. I mean, Kyle's not really even sticking up for himself here. He's just like, but what about what you did to Sierra? But what about what you did to Mia? What about what you did to Amanda? What'd she got to, you know, I like. But yeah, this is where he's in dad mode. He's like, yeah, yeah, think about it. You made Amanda look stupid, you know? I mean, here you are dating Amanda. Meanwhile, you're dating someone else. How do you think that makes Amanda look? Why is this what you're thinking? I mean, it's nice, I guess, in a way. I guess I get that you would care for somebody that you've been with for so long.

25:56But, oh, my God.

25:58Ronnie Karam: I would just rather see you tell West off for yourself. I guess. What kind of fucking friend are you? Yeah.

26:05Ben Mandelker: I just want someone to directly ask him, why should anyone believe that you are going to be committed to amanda when your entire storyline since you've been on summer house is how you actually can't commit your entire first season was how you every girlfriend you had it gets a certain point and then you back out of it we saw you do it with sierra we've seen you do with other people why would we believe that this is any different and just especially because just a few months ago you said you don't even want to present like you could be a boyfriend so that way you're going to cut it off at the pass so why would this be different why is this night different from any other night and no one's like they're sort of like kind of asking it but i want like a direct question like why should we even believe this right so they

26:48Ronnie Karam: do but west isn't really saying that she's the one or anything it's not like he's saying oh we're gonna go get married and have kids i mean he's hinted like so many different things that it's hard to ever pin down what he's really saying but they can't where west is so good is that he's done this so many times that he knows how not to be pinned down like you can't you can't say like well how do i know this is real because all he'll say is well i don't we're just dating we're trying we're trying yeah give it a chance and his answer is like well yeah i know like i agree with you like that like this is a conversation that me and amanda had many times you know and i was like well maybe like should we just like date or something and then there's only so many times that i can be told no like the answer is always the same you know and like i mean it looks bad i get that

27:38Ben Mandelker: like i get it but like he's like i can tell you that like my relationship with amanda this is like the first time it's ever come from like a steady like three-year friendship where like there's like nothing performative about it like there's no one like trying to prove anything like i know who she is and she knows who i am i'm like does she and do you because she just got have this relationship you don't know who amanda is now as a single but she doesn't even know who she is and no one knows who you are really and so it's like i regret so many things and like the one thing i cannot regret and i'm like not gonna be like take i'm not gonna like take back is like my feelings for amanda which are like pretty like they're like developing they're developing and they're like they're like i think i like her and i'm not gonna take that back you know you know just apologize just because we've talked about this for so much i really do

28:32Ronnie Karam: think that they do know who each other are i think they know very well i mean he's seen amanda in a marriage in a terrible he's seen amanda at the worst part of a marriage he's seen when amanda's both been treated like shit by kyle and he's seen amanda treat kyle like shit it's not like amanda's some little angel in that marriage you know even though i'm pretty much on her side as far as the marriage stuff but he's seen like what it's like when amanda doesn't like you as a boyfriend or a husband he's seen that so he knows what he's in for with amanda and he sees how amanda like talks about kyle to everybody in the group and like so he knows that side of amanda and amanda knows west she's seen all the worst sides of west she knows he's a liar she knows he's a fuck boy she knows he's a cheater she knows he's a manipulator but i think the reason that they like each other is because they have seen that it's like she's like okay i've seen all of that you're still fucking people right in front of my face and I'll be okay with it.

29:27Ronnie Karam: And he's like, okay, well you've watched me manipulate and lie and do all of this other stuff. And you're still staying with me. It's almost like they've shown each other the worst part. And now they're like bonded by the seeing each other's worst parts and accepting it. So it's sick, but I think they do know who each other is. And that's like part of the sexiness is that they both can just go be shitheads together. Now it's going to hurt when it's turned on each other, but I guess that's for next season.

29:54Ben Mandelker: well big question do you love her and west is like um i mean yeah i mean well i mean fucking if i said i love you that night i mean i said i love you that night when like i left the room remember i said i love you and we see a flashback to like the first time that kyle said fuck you and he tells her in the bathroom all right i love you okay text me if you need anything this is literally crazy you idiot you idiot why are you wasting our time with these semantics right now everyone knows what kyle meant by that question yeah but don't you think that west was

30:32Ronnie Karam: saying yeah i mean i love amanda i've i've loved her i've always loved amanda i've loved amanda forever and then he's like oh but our timeline is february so but like i meant it as a friend you know yeah i i this is just like crazy the point is that he's still trying to manipulate

30:50Ben Mandelker: a narrative here because he won't say something and he's like he's also thinking in my mind he's thinking i don't want to say i'm in love with amanda because that will sound too crazy and people will think i'm love bombing and they're going to accuse me of being this or that and i think that he's just so preoccupied with what we are all thinking and saying that he's trying to give an answer that will mollify all of us and it's doing the exact opposite and it's his modifications that are actually driving us more nuts than if he said I actually am in love with her which is crazy but I am in love and now I know I now I know the difference of why I couldn't stay in those other relationships because those relationships didn't have what I have with

31:29Ronnie Karam: Amanda right now so yeah I think that is kind of what he's saying in a weird way because he's saying yeah but I loved I said I loved her back in July duh and then we see the clip of that and he's like I care about her a fuck ton and Kyle's like wait but time out how long how long have you had feelings for her like beyond friendship because you just said July you fucking idiot and he's like um oh well like um well like February yeah like it's like checking his notes like he's like you know like this timeline shit it's just like I mean like I know everyone wants to like go back and be like watch a show and like oh they were hooking up then but we weren't you know like we'd been close to it so again it's like him and amanda have or he and amanda have decided that the only thing that matters in everyone's mind is when we fucked so we're just gonna every but the love story yes so he's like yes but i've loved her but we didn't fuck which makes it official until february i just think they're trying to cement this as some love story like we've been in love we've been in love so long but we just didn't cement it until we knew that we were in the clear with my divorce and the and uh his breakup because in the rom-coms the people are always in other relationships

32:44Ben Mandelker: and then like true love wins and then like the the partners who get left are always like go for it i just want you to be happy like in the rom-coms everyone's just happy for the people love but in real life everyone's like fuck you so god i think they thought they watched too much hallmark so he's like oh yeah well there's love and there's in love and i think one of the things that's helped me be at peace with our separation is like we fell out of love and still have love for her but we haven't been in love for years so if i'm being honest the way you say i love you to amanda in the same way i mean like i filmed watch what happens with lindsey last night and i was like i love you but i'm not in love with lindsey right that'd be crazy right are you understanding any of this West?

33:26Ben Mandelker: It's like, um, yeah, well, I haven't gotten to the point where like, I told her or myself that I'm like in love, but like, I do like love her and like have and like, I love love and tennis, like my favorite score is when someone's at love. So like, there's a lot of things that I love. So like, yeah, yeah, that's where I feel.

33:47Ronnie Karam: He says, I've cared about her for a very, very long time and it's hard to say that fucking right to your face. So, yeah I think that's what he's saying like yeah I've been in love with Amanda for a long time so sorry sorry but we didn't fuck till February though um he's like you know and I'm like hope and I look forward to the way that like I do care and like I'll treat Amanda to at least like lighten the fucking worry like don't worry like I've got her dad I've got her all right well I It's just like, wow, Jesus. And he goes, and you know, like, I appreciate it. Because even like, you'll send me like voice texts.

34:27Ronnie Karam: Because you care about Amanda so much, you'll send me like, you know, voice notes and stuff. And even when they're really long, you know, like you really like to leave Kyle messages. He's like, yeah, yeah. I have to be like, sorry, I just hit the five mark, bro. You know, because it's like two in the morning at some bar in Hoboken. And Kyle's on his phone like, hey, you better take care of her. you better take real good care of her man is a good girl a little messy you know maybe tell her to clean up her room every once in a while I mean Jesus Christ can't even walk in the living room but you know overall she is a good person yeah

35:00Ben Mandelker: here's my friend hi are you no tool that's Megan say hi to Megan um so Kyle is like it's a weird feeling I mean I care about you I care about Amanda I almost want to fucking I don't know it's just like weird but it's like no um you didn't ask for it either and like that's why it sucks and like so i've been like i've been it's been like sus it's like yeah i mean what are you doing in the public eye is just like crazy i mean i don't know it's like been an emotional couple months that's for sure and like i also feel like you owe some type of apology to mia like i vote unfortunately a lot of people apologies so done done done done commercials here comes one right now

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37:00Ben Mandelker: And speaking of Miha, now we move seven days later. Oh my God, May 27th. Wow, it is so close. and now Sierra is doing a flower arrangement in her kitchen and Miha arrives, Miha's first true on-screen moment. I just want to say I appreciated this scene, but I don't know. I'm suspect of Miha also. I'm not going to lie. I mean, I feel like she was done dirty, but I also am like, I don't know. I've got some questions about Miha personally.

37:31Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, there are some questions that aren't answered. I was not really suspect until she's like, yeah, I mean, I talked to him for like six hours. I still care about him. I was like, oh, God, you know, like I can't. Yeah. Yeah. So I was by the end of this for sure.

37:51Ben Mandelker: Her vibe was like, look at me. Finally going to be on Summer House. I was like, yeah, I don't see you going much farther than this episode. Unfortunately, thanks for the tea. But that's it.

38:02Ronnie Karam: Well, something we didn't really get to, you know, I mean, we did get to it because Sierra's like, well, what about the secret of don't you mind being the secret girl she's like no i feel it's like kind of hot you know like i liked being a secret like we'd go to this bar that bar and we're supposed to be together and it was a secret and that was kind of hot i was like oh you're kind of a red flag too ma 'am because this whole summer while sierra's been like he's been leading sierra on you've been fine with that while you're sitting at home really being his girlfriend like you're also kind of a villain in this you know and she can say she doesn't know but if west is like okay hey, we're together, but I'm going to be on TV, so I'm just going to be pretending to go do things with other people to be on TV.

38:46You're kind of part of it.

38:49Ronnie Karam: You're kind of like, if you watch this show and you see him leading somebody on for two years in a row, and you're like, okay, I'll be your secret girlfriend.

38:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't sold on Mija, I hate to say. so she comes in and Sierra makes some mimosas which is really nice and everything and Mia's just hanging in there you know she's still very much in shock about the guy that she was on the phone with six hours after the scandal happened so they go and they settle down on the sofa to chat and talk shit and everything so I love the energy of the scene I do appreciate this and Sierra's like by the way sorry you had to see footage of us kissing she's like yeah well i mean it's not your fault like whatsoever i will say like yeah that like definitely like took the air out of my lungs to see i don't know why that was funny to me because normally people say it took the air out of my sails but she's like no it came out of my lungs and uh she's like because i wasn't privy to that but like you know it wasn't your responsibility

39:53Ronnie Karam: to tell me so you know just and so sierra's like okay so like over this over the summer like you you know, like, was he giving you a recap of the weekend or like, what was it like? And she's like, yeah. Um, like anytime I would go over there and we would hang out and there would be some weekends where he was going, he'd be like, you want to just like stay for the weekend so you can be here when I get back. And I was like, absolutely. Cause like, I just recently moved. So like, I, it's, it's not like I have a whole lot to go back to in Philly. So yeah, I would just stay at his place. It was great.

40:26Ronnie Karam: I loved it. And I like to decorate and stuff. So, but, you know, I did, you know, I'm really good at styling. You know, I did style his apartment, but not the whole thing. Like, I'm not going to take credit for, like, the basketball hoop or, like, whatever. Or, you know, the fleshlight on the table. You might have said, that was not me.

40:46Ben Mandelker: But, yeah, like, but, like, yeah, he would, like, come back and we would just, like, talk about the weekend. And, like, obviously he would, like, leave out details. Yeah, well, clearly I'm also like, just like not that type of girl, I guess, to be like asked. Like, I give guys like a long leash and I just like don't want to be in a relationship where I feel like I'm constantly checking, you know, checking you on everything. And by the way, for the record, that leash is made of horse hair. Yes, it is a horse hair leash. Takes a long time to make it.

41:17Ronnie Karam: The leash does get flies sometimes. I don't know what it is. Even clean horse hair. They're like a horse butt's close, you know. But yeah, I just don't ask questions. Really? I just, whatever. I have no idea. I do not believe you. I do not. I don't believe her. I don't believe that she didn't know any of this. I just don't. I can't. And maybe it's part of, and it's kind of unfair, I feel like, because part of it is just the stink of West, you know? But I just don't believe that you have a man that's on TV. You've watched the show, obviously. If you're dating someone on TV, you're going to watch the show.

41:53Ronnie Karam: she knows his reputation and what he's been going through with the people on this show I just don't believe that she's like okay do whatever I don't want to know anything or that he isn't coming home being like oh this person likes me and that person likes me and I'm not saying that she knew that she was actively fucking over Sierra in this situation but

42:13Ben Mandelker: it's I don't know I believe she asks questions she sort of gives me like a low wattage Sabrina Bell vibe and I think she probably asked questions she probably wants to know about it i think that she's like she likes being in his proximity but i think that he just like fed her a line of bullshit and she didn't really she didn't really probe she didn't really like like she took everything on face value i think um so sierra's asking if they've been in contact and she's like no we haven't spoken in a few weeks i mean after reunion he texted me you win and which is crazy and she was like what are you what are you winning she was I know this isn't a game but by the way note that she says we haven't spoken for a few weeks but then she also will say coming up that she was on the phone for six hours with him which is crazy there's just like no world in which she should be on the phone with six for six hours with West and also I don't think Amanda like I would be like not happy if like if the guy that I just risked everything for was on the phone for six hours with the girl he was fucking like a week before we went public I would not be happy whatsoever.

43:18Ronnie Karam: and also she says we haven't spoken for a few weeks but lindsey just said on may 13th that he was on the west was on the phone with me how this morning so yeah i was like yeah which is it and amanda was like so which which is it guys so um sierra's like yeah you know and we had to figure out who you were you know because there's two sides to the story and there's not a lot of physical evidence of y 'all's relationship but like there is some evidence of y 'all's relationship and then we see a flashback to two summers ago where jesse's like um are there any girls you're excited about that's bullshit don't lie to me i see a girl's name pop up on your phone all the time so i don't know who you're trying to tell but i fucking know and then uh west denies it to the producer and he's like no it's just like a like yeah it's like a girl that lives in montana like come on which is me huh and then jesse says how is me huh in another clip he's like how is me huh yeah so it's been two years that he's been dating this lady and lying about it on tv

44:23Ben Mandelker: it's been a long time yeah and so mia is like she says you know after the whole you win thing i think it took him like a week and then he called me and we had this like six hour conversation I'm like girl And so Sierra's like so did you talk on the phone Or was this like via text And she goes well a lot of our conversations Are now like over the phone Because of her even though I don't talk with him anymore But all of our conversations that we do have now Are on the phone Because of her

44:52Ronnie Karam: Well what does that mean You're still sneaking around With Wes because you know he's dating Amanda now Yeah

45:00Ben Mandelker: She's going to find the text

45:02Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't trust her either. She's full of shit this one.

45:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she is. Like, I believe everything she's saying, but I don't believe her motives, if that makes sense. But also, it is noteworthy that, like, he doesn't, Wes does not want to leave a paper trail anywhere, right? So he's not going to text her at all.

45:20Ronnie Karam: So Mia's like, it's just cool. But why are you talking to him? You know what I mean? That's what I don't get. Like, why are you on the phone six hours and saying you care about him and this and that, when now you know it's pretty clear he's dating Amanda? so I mean I guess in her mind it's like well she cheated with my man first so I still get the man but it's I don't know I think best case scenario

45:41Ben Mandelker: she's trying to just like get information that then she can like run and tell other people and she can center herself in this a little bit more that's best case scenario so Sierra's like I just think it's like weird that he's still like under the advice of you like while he has his new girlfriend she's like yeah and here's the thing at first he was like I'm just going to go to Italy and then I told him I was like go hang out with your family go hang out with people who love you and then I found out that Amanda was going and like you going with Amanda is a fuck you to everyone involved and it's such a fuck you to me who's been like taking your phone calls and trying to understand you like the fuck you already happened to me I hate to tell you the fuck you actually was happening for like 15 months

46:22Ronnie Karam: yeah so Sierra's like well but if you didn't exist and you weren't as important as and you weren't as important as he says you were then why the fuck is he still calling you like he's in this happy relationship and trying to figure it out it's like i know because he's still fucking all of you over stop yes talking to this man oh god i can't take it sierra's like can you guys just admit that you

46:48Ben Mandelker: guys blew up your like just you you blew up your whole fucking lives because like we know we also know west and it was like the thrill of secrecy for him you know and she's like it was him like Like, it was the hiding in plain sight that was the most thrilling for him. Like, that's why he liked it. And if I'm being real, the secret – I mean, yeah, secret sex is kind of hot. She's like, oh, my God, I'm so glad you think that, too. Yes. Oh, my God. So, basically, Mia is like, yeah, I mean, I did secretly enjoy that. Like, she says, you know, it was a big part of it where I was like, I do love that this is kind of secret.

47:18Ben Mandelker: Like, this is kind of fun.

47:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah. She's like, the secret – Sierra says the secret in the sense that, like, you're doing – like, I've never done it where it's like I'm fucking my best friend's ex. And Mia's like, well, even Wes and I's relationship, the big part of it was that I love that this is a secret. Because I thought, you know, I was in on it. But it turns out, you know, you're not the only one keeping secrets. Many who are like, keep this a secret, are telling everybody to keep it a secret. So you guys don't compare notes. But see, the thing that is bugging me about Mia is that she did know that he had all this stuff.

47:55Ronnie Karam: because she's been with him long enough to know everything that's been happening on the show. So you think she's just believing him when he's like, oh, it's just for show. None of this is real. I mean, I'm guessing that's what he's telling her.

48:06Ben Mandelker: So she says, well, after the whole Italy thing, I had a very serious conversation with myself. And I was like, I'm sure as hell not going to roll over and act like I didn't exist and stay extremely silent. So what did you think was going to happen in the end? So Sierra's like, okay, cool. Well, cheers to the gossip. whatever you're about to say i don't really care just want you to get on camera here to talk about how he said uh you win and you said the other stuff so we're done here i guess that she means

48:35Ronnie Karam: i i know because this is weird because she's like after italy i was really pissed and i was like i'm not gonna roll over meaning i guess she's gonna come on this show when she's gonna film right like he went to italy so she's gonna film and she doesn't owe him any loyalty but why was it even to that point when he fucked you like you found out he was fucking you over at the reunion and that he was still with amanda and then you talked to him for six hours and you were the whole reason he said you win was because he found out that she had been talking to the whole cast and was like

49:07Ben Mandelker: fine you win so i don't know this relationship is like cuckoo do you have a six hour relationship uh six hour conversation with someone that you're not in an exclusive relationship with

49:18Ronnie Karam: I mean my best friend and I will go for a good three or four hours sometimes

49:24Ben Mandelker: but I mean I love Island yes they have nothing else to do but like seriously if West is in just like just casually hooking up with this girl he's gonna get on the phone with her for six hours no I don't see that happening there is not somebody that I would have exclusive there's

49:41Ronnie Karam: not somebody that I would have that long of a conversation with that I wasn't talking through every like plot and scheme that I have, you know, like when you, and what I mean by that is like, when you're having a problem with somebody, you know, and then you're talking to your friend, you're like, oh my God, I'm having a problem with my mom or whatever. And you're like, I could say this, or I could say that, or I could do this, or I could do that. You know, it's like, you're having conversations where you're kind of like plotting out how to deal with the situation. So I don't believe that Mia's just like so in the dark about everything.

50:14Ben Mandelker: listen you know only the only thing i'm having a six-hour conversation about is other people saying that they had a six-hour conversation about something well that's true i mean who are we talking about i know but basically we can't sit there and say like oh wow bet like if anybody ever questioned

50:31Ronnie Karam: me like well what did you say to ben and then you said well ronnie never said that to me bullshit everybody knows that anything that's on my mind you would know about you know what i mean And so Mia's whole like, well, I didn't know that he had this going on or I didn't know he had this going on with that girl and blah, blah, blah. I just don't buy it. I feel like she was fine to be in cahoots with West when it was against everybody else and when everybody else was getting fucked over. But then when it came to her not winning in the end, she was like, OK, fuck this guy. You know, he went to Italy with this girl and that's the last straw.

51:04Ben Mandelker: like well that's why i think he was on the phone with her for so long because he had he had been in a 15 month relationship with her that he says she thought was exclusive but for on his end it was not exclusive but he he knew it was enough of a relationship that i think he had to get on the phone with her and explain to her like this is what happened and i do like you it's not you it's me i think that like yes some of it was like trying to figure out the situation the plotting and the scheming but i do think some of it was him trying to do damage control with her and it It was like the breakup phone call, the official breakup phone call.

51:34Ben Mandelker: Maybe. You have that long conversation if you're extracting yourself out of a relationship.

51:40Ronnie Karam: Something's really bothering me about me not buying this lady. Because I feel like it's really not fair. And she's a victim of West, right? We know that West is a pig. We know that West does all of this stuff. So for me to be like, well, I don't believe her. I mean, I think it sounds shitty and I hear myself saying that. And I'm just trying to verbalize why that is. I just don't. I believe that this person watched these shows and watched Ciara crying. I don't mean this season, but at least the previous season. And knows that he's making her cry. So in this conversation, I need to hear Ciara being like, but you've seen the show, right?

52:18Ronnie Karam: You know how he treated me or how he led me on or how he's led other women on. What were you thinking then? Like, I need her to say, like, he told me this was all fake. And that's why I was in a relationship with him. Because without hearing that, I'm just thinking like, well, you know that West is a pig and you see him actively treating other women like shit and you're still with him. So that kind of makes you the enemy as well in my mind.

52:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

52:42Ronnie Karam: Does that make sense? I mean, yeah.

52:44Ben Mandelker: Look, I'm sympathetic for what she's dealt with with West because I think that he's a manipulator. There's not a perfect victim, right? So she can still be a victim to West while still having flaws. So I acknowledge that as well. I don't like to shoot the messenger but I also am thinking like the messenger like maybe made a few too many stops it's like when you order like the postmates and like you're waiting and you're watching the doc you're like did they stop their car did they go into a convenience store I'm waiting for my food my food is cooling down so it's like I'm not going to shoot the messenger but sometimes I need the messenger to not make pit stops and so I um or when you see like you

53:21Ronnie Karam: didn't pay the extra money to uber so that your your guy is stopping at another house first and you're like you have ice cream you have my ice cream in there stop doing that so it's one of

53:33Ben Mandelker: those things where like i i do think she was 100 a victim of west the way amanda will be sierra was and many other people were so i'm very sympathetic to her for that but i also don't think that that you automatically get a pass to being like justin like you're awesome and you're approved in my book like because i think some of the things she's saying is like a little sus so you know she would need some more vetting and then like maybe she could be cleared but for right now i'm kind of like hmm you know i don't hate her i just i'm like hmm i'm a little suspicious of some of the things that's that are happening here and i feel like i feel like i actually was giving her the benefit of the doubt for a very long time like normally if someone calls into a reunion is on facetime and it's like this is what happened and this is what happened i'm always like oh that person's so thirsty and i didn't even feel that way but with this time i was like i don't know I just have a nice healthy grain of salt to go with this Mia stuff and then we can convene later and revise our opinions.

54:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah, we'll see. TBD. So Sierra's like, okay, well thanks for the tea, you know, to moving on to a better summer. Watch after Sun. And let's just, you know, let's just have fun for now. Let's make it comical. And she's like, yeah, like literally let's make it like funny. She goes, yeah, let's laugh. She goes, oh, I'm petty. It's like, I know. I know. Here you are. I love this side. I love that side of you. I love this side. I love this side of you that's like, fuck that guy. I'm going to go shoot your TV show about you. Bitch!

55:01Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yeah, do that. We like that. And then, basically, Sierra's laughing about how her mom was like, stop going wild on threads. But they cheers, and it's like, they're happy, and it's like, yay! So they sort of ended on this note of we will be resilient and we will move on and Summer House will continue. Well, we also end with Mia being like,

55:24Ronnie Karam: thank God I have you now. Oh my God, I can't believe it took us so long to find each other. So that was hints of Sabrina Bell. Like, we're basically besties now, right? Yeah.

55:33Ben Mandelker: I was like, I'll tell you one person who's not going to stand for it. Sabrina Bell. She's like, I just got here. I put in the book.

55:41Ronnie Karam: Get out of here, horsetail. Get out of here, horsetail tie maker.

55:47Ben Mandelker: and then the camera sort of like pans out or zooms out uh on manhattan and then it sort of like moves over to the hamptons and sort of alluding to like the show will go on and the summers will continue and they will in pro and because they're gonna probably start filming again in about 13 days right 13 14 days they usually start on july 4th weekend right yeah It's coming up. So get right back into it.

56:15Ronnie Karam: We'll see. I don't know. That's a lot of, but you know, we'll have a break as viewers because we still got in the city. And like I complained about before, this is another hour of watching Kyle and Amanda bitch at each other, which I've had enough of. But we're going to break.

56:32Ben Mandelker: We've recapped this for so long that the new season of summer house is about to start. So.

56:38Ronnie Karam: All right, everybody. Thanks so much for being with us this season. It's been a ball. If you want to talk more about Kyle and Amanda's relationship second, or you want to hear more about lover boy, join us for the in the city recap coming up next. We love you guys. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

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