#3430 The Valley S3E13: Like Minded

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2:19Ben Mandelker: Who cares what happens when there's so much that crap ends?

2:49Ben Mandelker: to crap in, get video, read our free newsletter, ad-free listening, bonus episodes. We did a trailer trash of Orange County. The 20th season starts right after July 4th. I think it's July 9th. So go join us there. There was, you know, yesterday was a tough day in the world of Bravo because it was officially announced that Ladies of London went on pause, which is like 100 % not acceptable um but it turns out it was a doubly tough day i'm assuming you heard about this already ronnie by now this morning that lady martha sitwell's beloved bird hecate has passed away so uh hecate died yesterday and she put up a she put up a post today where she totally bereft

3:38Ronnie Karam: did you see this ronnie yes i love talking about sadness right at the top man i'm just it's a bird

3:46Ben Mandelker: This will be the least sad thing we'll talk about today I'm going to tell you that much

3:49Ronnie Karam: No, it's a bird

3:51Ben Mandelker: Baby So RIP to Hecate This is a Bravo Liberty and it needs to be addressed Second of all So sad, sending love to Martha Absolutely Did you also see the rumor That exploded out today The true reason why Lazy London was cancelled Yes, that Margot was suing them Because of her edit yes that is the rumor there's some there's some british guy who got onto tiktok or threads i was like the real story is that margo and her husband didn't like the edit and they're fake the fake of everything they do is fake and they're suing the network and the network didn't want to deal with it um and and then he's also alleging that margo's comments were actually She's significantly more homophobic than we saw.

4:43Ben Mandelker: And yada, yada, yada. So that is the real reason why it's not going forward. Do you think there's any truth to this? Or do you think it's just someone having a moment on the internet?

4:53Ronnie Karam: I wouldn't doubt if that was true. She seems like the type to say whatever she wants and be like, everybody's mean to me. I'm going to do them. Very Leah McSweeney. Mm-hmm.

5:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I really like them of everything. Yeah, I kind of – and Margot's – the Bravo docket went to go snoop and Margot's Instagram has been wiped. So as in wiped as it's not there. So I don't know. I feel like it's not the craziest conspiracy theory. and it really would make sense if her homophobic homophobic remarks were way more severe than um than what we saw on screen that would also make sense as to why there was actually such a huge reaction because all she like we had seen that she was like said things like you're weird you're weird you're a freak and that's kind of like it um and mark had a really big reaction to it um and we're like wow i'm well we're like but we get it you know triggers etc but if she had been And actually way more over the top with her homophobia than his reaction actually makes even more sense.

5:57Ben Mandelker: And the whole cast reaction makes sense. And then also probably her panic attack makes sense. And she realized she just did that on national TV. And then the subsequent suing makes sense. So I'm going to just do that.

6:08Ronnie Karam: Well, just fire her. I mean, just fire her. She's going to sue you anyway. I mean, what's the difference? The season already aired. If she's suing over that editing, then she's still going to sue you. What does getting rid of the whole show have to do with anything?

6:21Ben Mandelker: I don't know. But maybe the pause is just the pause while they figure out the Margot situation, and then they'll press play again. One hopes, one dreams.

6:31Ronnie Karam: Margot sucks.

6:32Ben Mandelker: Speaking of things on pause. Whether or not any of this is true, Margot sucks. She does suck. Down with Margot. Speaking of things on pause, let's talk about some people whose lives have been on pause, the cast of the Valley. So we are here today with a very spicy episode full of chippiness and arguing and all the good things that we come to expect from these sort of people. Am I right?

6:59Ronnie Karam: Am I right? Here we go. The Valley Season 3 Episode 13. Liked and loaded. Uh-oh. It's a fight about likes on the internet. Guys, the Real Housewives reunions do this. And yes, they get three episodes to do it. But then it's done. you know what i mean how long are you gonna fight about likes this show get it together the valley my god you're gonna fight about likes on the internet from a story that happened in

7:25Ben Mandelker: your lives over two years ago come on yeah so uh we are still on the group trip and um the uh what's it called the tamapalooza has now moved indoors to one of the suites and uh or it's sort of winding down, I should say. Everyone's sort of grabbing some drinks and everything to migrate, and then now they go to the suite, sorry. And Janet, here's, I think my main number one frustration this entire episode is that this scene opens essentially with Janet saying, who wants to play Pizza Box? It's a game. And Jasmine's like, what is this trash? She goes, you know, Pizza Box. And I sat there and I watched this scene, and I watched Lala Derail, the Pizza Box game, to basically start the fight that then set the entire episode in motion and we never circled back into what the hell Pizza Box is.

8:17Ben Mandelker: What is Pizza Box? I want to play Pizza Box.

8:21Ronnie Karam: I would play no game that Janet brings up. I would be like the one, I would be Danny in this situation. I ain't playing Pizza Box. Have fun. I really want to know about it. I have no idea what game Pizza Box is and I'm shocked that you don't know. That's why I want to know. You're the authority. I want to know about Pizza Box.

8:44Ben Mandelker: Tell me about Pizza Box. I couldn't find some research about it. AI says it's a classic DIY coin and marker drinking game to upcycle craft products. I don't know.

9:01Ronnie Karam: Like projects and commercially produced tabletop games. Whether you want to repurpose an empty takeout box or buy a commercially produced pizza themed game, there are several exciting options to explore. The coin and rule game, a classic party where everybody places their drink on the pizza box, circles it, and writes their name. And then players take turns flipping or bouncing a coin onto the box. If it lands on a blank space, they write a new rule or dare on that spot. If it lands in someone's circle, they have to complete the task. The task. The task. Wow.

9:36Ben Mandelker: Okay. Okay. So maybe that's all it was. All right. Well, okay. Well, now I know. Now I understand. Sounds like a Janet game to me. So Janet is setting up pizza box. And then Jasmine's very happy because she hasn't played games with Janet in like five years because she got disinvited from game night, I guess. So she's also excited for Pizza Box.

10:04Ronnie Karam: Yes, Jasmine is now Team Janet. Inexplicably. So that's where Jasmine is. And Luke's like, I got some cookies and then went to Kristen and brought her ginger ale and ordered her room service. Is she better? He's like, no, she's just trying to fall asleep. So let's party. Yeah.

10:26Ben Mandelker: Luke never learned his lesson in this marriage. yeah the vibe right now in this room is like pretty chill and pretty happy the vibe is kind of like okay like whatever we're gonna have a fun night like it's sort of after hours we're sort of winding down filming for the day let's play pizza box eat some of these oversized cookies that luke brought in and everything's fine so lala's like no this is not gonna stand we're on a reality show we have a job to do okay which is we're gonna fight and i'm gonna start with danny yeah so she

10:56Ronnie Karam: does. She's like, Danny, are we ever going to forget? And he's like, I've already forgiven her. I've already forgiven her. And Janet's like, does someone have a pen? And she's like, no, you haven't. It doesn't seem like you've forgiven her. He's like, I have, but you don't feel like you went for them on social media? Oh, for Christ's sake, Lala. How many people have you gone for on social media? Who cares? And Danny's like, no, I never said anything to them on social media. Look at my teeth.

11:26Ben Mandelker: By the way, and this actually Lala started this line of questioning because Danny made a large proclamation. I am not playing that game. So Lala's like, really? When are you going to forgive? So I don't want to play pizza box. Oh, really?

11:42Ronnie Karam: When are we going to let it go? Someone's not playing pizza box. Why don't you just cut off a head and throw it into the streets?

11:51Ben Mandelker: So Lala's like, but you didn't like to comment about cooking. And Danny's like, cock. She's like, yeah, cook. He's like, what's cooking? I don't even know what cooking is. By the way, Danny 100 % knows what cooking is. I'm sorry. He definitely knows. And Lala looks it up. She's talking to us and she's talking to Sue, the digital assistant. And she's like, okay, what is cooking? Oh, it says cooking. By the way, that was the most Sue thing of all, to do that. So cooking. Okay, well, it's a thing when me and your Aunt Pat, we get together in the kitchen, we make you beautiful dinners. That's cooking.

12:26Ben Mandelker: Like, no, cooking, not cooking, Sue.

12:30Ronnie Karam: Even Google doesn't know. And Siri's like, what the fuck? Oh, it's cuckolding. A specific sexual fetish centered on a partner's infidelity, eroticized humiliations, and submissions. I just don't see it. It sounds like something Danny and me would be into. Which, of course, is going to be fine for her to say because it was just a joke. Just like the term is. The term doesn't literally mean, wow, you like to watch your wife fuck other people. It's like a stupid term that's come on when the guys use to call other guys wussies, basically. Like a stupid cuck. Usually it's like a It's a political thing Where it's like a Republican calling a Democrat Like a cuck Yeah

13:19Ben Mandelker: Which is why it's surprising that Danny's like I've never heard of that Which is why I'm like I don't think that's true Danny I think you've heard the term cuck So Danny's saying that Janet's a liar Lala's like well I wouldn't go that far As an outsider Come in and Janet's my friend I could gain some clarity. That would be nice because Janet, he claims that he doesn't like anything on social media about cooking or whatever. And there have been like comments that other people have made on social media spreading hate to Janet and her marriage. And like, you've gone and liked that. You know, you've liked all the cooking things.

13:55Ben Mandelker: And Danny's like, 100%, I was liking all sorts of things. But like, I don't know what you're talking about with the cooking instructions and things like that.

14:03Ronnie Karam: And she's like, well, the internet's not your friend, Danny. And he's like, Lala, do you want to keep talking about things that don't have anything to do with anything? She goes, why are you squaring up with me, dog? And he's like, because you squared up with me, homie. It's like, oh, my God, two white people.

14:23Ronnie Karam: Just stop with this. Lala, Lala's still doing this. Why do you want to square up with me, dog? No, Lala. And then Danny just following right along. Come on, homie. So you're embarrassing.

14:37Ben Mandelker: you're both embarrassing Lala's like no I didn't I'm just asking for clarification and Janet's like oh you want to see a screenshot I love Janet just got her screenshot ready she's been waiting for this all season she's like I took a screenshot of that like and I have it readily available in my bookmarks folder for this exact moment so Nia's like Daniel pause she's literally just asking questions well he's obviously triggered and Daniel's like I'm triggered by this he says loudly in a very triggered way so then jesse is like wow janet says she has screenshots screenshots so let's see them so now it's the entire situation is escalating and jesse and jesse of course calls this he's like

15:20Ronnie Karam: of course lala's waiting until the end of the day and everybody's been drinking and she's gonna bring this up because she knows she can get any anybody off their game right now and she's the most strategic person i've ever seen and it's true but lala's also just like very bored at work you know and she's like oh my god we have to get something done so i can go home so

15:42Ben Mandelker: lala's you got janet bring out the screenshots i mean my my hot take is my begrudging hot take is that lala's been really good on this season and she has like probed and asked the questions and she's got like the shit moving along and uh yeah she is calculated but like it's like but thank you also because otherwise you'd be watching pizza box yeah i mean i honestly don't know that

16:07Ronnie Karam: this is much better it's stirring up a bunch of shit that's been done it's done it's over people it's over so janet's like here he's like this it's a picture of jason with clown makeup and me it's a snake and it says jason caperna you got some brown left on the corner of your lips from licking Jax's asshole, you fucking cuck. And you like that. Okay. Well, your husband was licking Jax's asshole all last season. Jax, who was pretty much abusing his wife and is still being a fucking nightmare to his wife, who you guys still support. What point are you trying to bring up that's supposed to make you look good?

16:46Ronnie Karam: And also, if you don't like people and other people write nasty things about those people and you like them, that's your God-given right as an American.

16:53Ben Mandelker: that's what i say well daniel's like well that's ridiculous you gotta be kidding me i mean daniel you liked it just say yeah i did like it because i was mad at you guys and just like that's it just let it just let it be there but of course daniel's like what you gotta be kidding me i never did that so janet's like um if i liked something like that about you guys you guys would be like would have like a fucking heyday over it and you say i literally don't care i literally don't care which is funny because nia always says that when she's actually the most bothered and janet's like okay well what well i said what your husband did and i got fucking ridiculed for it oh yeah yeah that's where we're at okay fine and la's like i'm just trying to understand as like a total outsider it's funny that like lala is painting herself as an outsider to this group as if she doesn't know every bit of gossip that's circulated around she knows all the players but as an outsider as someone who came from like a faraway lands just trying to understand the way these americans work and like i don't my customs and lala lala lala nesca like that we just we work differently i just want to understand and follow and understand these

17:57Ronnie Karam: cuckolding kind of memes before he asks another question i just want to know what side of the street do we drive on here do you yeah which side of the fork do you use the part with the pointy parts or the stuff on the on the other one because i use the other side big fork or small fork for a

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20:43Ronnie Karam: California resident loans made or arranged pursuant to a California financing law license and MLS number 1353190. Klarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points, limitations, terms, and conditions apply. So Zach's like, oh my God, what the fuck is, where is this coming from? And Danny's like, Janet, apparently. She's like, yeah. She goes, yeah, I mean, do you want me to send you the screenshots? Oh, gosh. And so now Jasmine's like, Zach, you shush. And he's like, why am I shushing? She's like, don't this just leads to other things, you know? And Lala's like, why are you triggered by me?

21:19Ronnie Karam: Me asking a fucking question and getting clarification. He's like, oh, God, you're just going on and on and on. And Jasmine says, well, yeah, but Danny, you did the same thing to me at 007. You guys yelled at me when I tried to give you a heads up about me upstairs. Like, I mean, you guys got to calm down. Like, someone having an opinion or whatever. Like, don't attack everybody.

21:40Ben Mandelker: And so Michelle is like, she is hurt because Jenny got a lot of hate. And it was, like, very known to everybody that you were liking all this stuff. And Zach's like, but we all have. We all do that. And Jasmine's like, Zach, Zach, this is the problem with you. You defend, defend, defend. And don't do this shit, Zach. It's like, I'm not defending anybody. he's like no because you want to be you want to go there zach don't get me fucking started zach

22:07Ronnie Karam: and now jasmine's gonna make it about her and zach going at it and she says you know the problem with zach is that danny's obviously lying and you know she's trying to check he's trying to check everybody else instead of yelling at danny okay but him saying danny i knew you were drinking at my house you don't have to lie about it what what does that have to do with this conversation This conversation is about the Janet stuff from last year where Danny grabbed your butt and apologized and all that stuff with you guys, like with three scenes. And then Janet's like, your husband's a sexual assaulter.

22:43Ronnie Karam: He's a sexual assaulter. And I was very uncomfortable in the pantry with him. And, you know, making him this terrible, like, rapist. which Danny, you know, again, for the millionth time, not going to stand up for Danny for getting drunk and grabbing people's butts and saying, get daddy a drink, because that is, in fact, disgusting, and he needs to be yelled at and shamed for that. But the fight is Janet taking it to your sexual assault over and over and over again, which she still doesn't. She still is going to do it right now. She's going to do it again right now and does not care and is not sorry.

23:20Ronnie Karam: so why should he be sorry for liking posts that call you an asshole damn it my god if you can give

23:26Ben Mandelker: it you can take it all of you well i think the i think the issue with zach just to go back to your first question why why is like why is this an issue i think it was mainly because they just had a conversation where zach is like i'm gonna call danny out on his shit whenever i see it and like here you know when it's like hey hey danny you you liked a thing on the internet that was pretty shitty for you to like and zach said but we all do that and so i i think that zach's probably right i think they probably all like sorts of you know shit but as an example where they're like see but you're not like like danny's clearly lying about it because you know obviously there's bigger issues like danny's clearly lying about liking it and it's like one of those things where it's like zach why are you letting danny do another one of his little like his stupid little lies about like you know drinking secretly at your party and this and that like this is what he does he has all these little little teeny lies like edging like you know and like everyone just sort of like knows it and gives him a pass and so that's why jasmine's getting annoyed at zach but of course it explodes

24:28Ronnie Karam: and i get that i do get that i do get what you're saying and i agree with what you're saying i'm saying that this doesn't have anything to do with that fight him taking a secret drink has nothing to do with last year's fight and then lighting lying liking stuff on the internet and he just said yeah i did like stuff like that but i don't know what cucking is which okay i mean at least he admitted to liking the stuff but claiming he doesn't know what cucking is is pretty crazy. Maybe he just doesn't remember that specific post. I mean, I don't know, but he's admitting to liking the stuff. Of the many that he was.

25:02Ben Mandelker: So then Zach is like, I'm asking everyone to have an honest conversation about how they actually feel. And Jasmine's like, yeah, but that's fine. And he's like, I'm like, nobody wants to be honest because like everybody's fucking scared. So now Zach is starting to go down his path. And Zach's like, I'm like kind of at like my wit's end, like talking about this stuff like people have issues with danny and instead of like wanting to say it they're like using something else as the reason that they're mad and like well we just like never fully get the resolution because like no one else will ever talk about it and no one else wants to really have the tough conversations honestly just just say danny you're a fucking annoying drunk you're like the most annoying drunk in our cast and this is a cast of annoying drunks and like people don't like it anymore so stop being an annoying drunk i think that will settle so many

25:44Ronnie Karam: yeah one of the things that annoys me about this still being about janet is i'm so beyond that at this point like at this point i wish someone would just say danny we hate how you talk to your wife it's disgusting you act like a caveman your wife is not here to serve your every pleasure you act like a misogynistic fucking asshole and you need to stop walking around going yeah what was he saying yeah buddy let's go

26:15Ben Mandelker: i did something else today he's just so incredibly annoying just say danny you are an obnoxious

26:24Ronnie Karam: loud little person shut the fuck up and treat your wife with some respect okay yeah that's that's what

26:31Ben Mandelker: that is the fight that is what we actually want to see on display here um so now but now of course Jasmine and Zach are fighting. And Jasmine's like, you sit there and defend, defend, defend. And what about me, Zach? I'm pissing you right now. And Zach's like, I'm just saying, don't do this shit. And Janice's like, I agree with you. And Zach's like, everybody is so dumb right now, so fuck everybody. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Don't fuck Benji. I love Benji. And fuck you.

26:58Ronnie Karam: And Jasmine stands up and she's like, no, no, no, no, fuck you. And he's like, sit the fuck down. She's like, you sit the fuck down. Melissa's like, oh my God, don't yell at her. Sit down. Sit down. Sit down, honey. It's like, don't yell at me. What you're not going to do is yell at me. Brittany's like, hey, don't yell at Jasmine. Like, you love Jasmine. Hey, let me get some more glitter on your arm.

27:18Ben Mandelker: Come here. You're a cool guy. I'm not the problem because nothing is ever resolved because no one ever listens to anybody and the group is fucking fucked because nobody actually gives any resolution. I'm like, well, then, Zach, say what it is. Say what the issue is and let's work on it because I do agree that the Lala... trying to make Danny apologize for a meme that he liked last year during the, like the height of the feud with Janet is felt like a step backwards. I'm not saying that what Danny did was fine and like, should be like, Oh, like that's totally okay. He's allowed to, I'm just saying like that was last year's fight and like ripping it open is going to like, it's going to, and it does like, you know, bring step into a world of toxicity that I think they were all trying to move past.

28:03Ben Mandelker: But right now it's just a Zach is taking center stage by screaming.

28:08Ronnie Karam: Oh my god, just losing it It's like typical Jack He loses it too much And everyone's like, oh god Shut up And Melissa's like, oh my god What even just happened? And Janet says, where's this blind ass loyalty coming from? He's like, blind ass loyalty I have issues with Daniel too, okay And they're like, okay Let's talk about it He's like, I will, I will, and I'll do it But I can't even get to it

28:35Ben Mandelker: Because you're the one who's like screaming right now he's like because people are screaming right now it's like it's you it's you you're screaming if you have issues with dan danny just say it so um jasmine now is like she's now mad at zach and she slips him off and then he's like oh and so he storms out of the room and melissa's like what was the issue and then so janet's like well he's blindly defending this it's never made sense to me i don't care if you guys are my biggest enemies what happened is clear as day to me right and wrong so zach is schwartz and benji are walking zach to their suite and zach's like are there like more things that maybe i need to talk through with like daniel like absolutely have i decided to suddenly start calling him daniel do i like to think i'm nia sometimes perhaps but you know what it's like not fair because like i have to be in the middle of

29:25Ronnie Karam: like every goddamn situation uh hi you put yourself in the middle of every goddamn situation and tom's like but it's my birthday man where's the love where's the kumbaya where's the happy birthday where's my cake do i even get a cake sometimes oh my god i'm trying to stop crying

29:47Ben Mandelker: i'm trying tom's like it's okay come here he's like i'm just like i get like too fucking emotional it's like he's like it's okay take a breath no i'm not saying this in a patronizing way I'm just saying it in an ineffective and annoying way. No, no, no. You're not patronizing. You're just, you're actually the only person. Like, I don't take it that way. Oh my God. Hug. Hug.

30:10Ronnie Karam: Because we're a throuple, right? Like, non-sexual. He's like, yeah. So Lala's like, I literally asked Danny if there was any resolving. And he's like, no, could you say something about coking? She's like, no. You've been liking things on the internet. And you said, what are you talking about? So Lalo goes over to where Janet is. And Janet's like, you see the semantics? You'll never be right. You'll never be right.

30:36Ben Mandelker: Oh, God, Janet. Jesus. So Brittany is in the fray. And she's like, Danny, you even like things about me. And I texted you. I said, I've never even heard any rumors about you. And you did not respond to me. And he's like, no kidding. And I read Brittany was like, definitely behind Danny and Nia's attack this season. She's been in Janet and Jax's years. You were saying that. He's like, is that what I said? Yeah, you liked it. And then I said it to you and you were like, yeah. Yeah. Because like when you like something, you like the entirety of the posts. Like, you know what you're doing. You know what you're doing.

31:07Ben Mandelker: Because I guess he liked it. It was a reality blurb article and he liked the full article at the bottom of the article. So he definitely did read that whole article. I was like, I approve of this message.

31:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Brittany's like, let me talk. And it's like, I don't know what I'm doing. This is my first rodeo, guys. It's your third year. so no you don't get that and jasmine's saying well i didn't know he was liking stuff like that which of course you did jan i mean come on and janet's like well i've taken accountability for everything i've said and done but you don't have to take accountability for anything you dumb

31:41Ben Mandelker: motherfucking loser so britney was she's pretty just like yeah you went through the comments you like something that was also so bad about me he's like yeah well i saw comments that i was tagged in that'd be like them yeah yeah because i heard you guys were part of it with jacks and you actually believe that you actually believe what i said yeah let's say down to eddie you actually believe that i meant to take you down i was just being fun please britney we saw the part of one

32:06Ronnie Karam: of the things you're arguing this season is about the trip last year where you're like how come they have they don't have to put things on camera and i do and i'm sick of it and you get him down here right now and you make him face the cameras and everything else so you were saying on camera yeah You were a part of wanting Danny to look stupid on camera. Now, granted, Danny was the drunk one upstairs napping. So I guess some people could argue that you had a point. But the thing that makes me crazy here is that all these people are saying, wow, you like things on the internet. But they all have their own podcast that they go and bitch about Danny and Nia on their podcasts constantly.

32:44Like, what's her bun?

32:46Ronnie Karam: Janet has a podcast that she gets to go. You don't think she talked about this situation with Danny and him sexually assaulting someone and this and that over and over? She had that. Brittany has her podcast where she gets to go talk about how unfair everything is. Like everyone has all of these outlets that they go talk. And he's liking stuff on Instagram. I mean, what, are we going to have a rule that you can only, you know, say things if they're in front of you can only have feelings when the cameras are running?

33:13Ben Mandelker: i so i'm gonna say i'm just gonna try i'm just trying to imagine their thought process here i'm going to say that like in their mind they're probably thinking like yeah we have a podcast but we talk it out we're exploring how we feel and this is our honest truth and we're putting it out there and then if you don't like that you can counter yada yada yada whereas danny's like not really putting his truth out there he's just he's just liking these kind of more craven nasty internet-y things that are grosser and then when you confront him he's like, what? I never did it. Whereas we're like, we're putting ourselves out there for good or for bad.

33:53Ben Mandelker: I'm just imagining that's probably sort of like what they are thinking is the difference there. But they are, for sure, all shitting on each other at all times on the internet all, like everywhere. Everywhere they go. And I guarantee every time they go into a podcast, when the mics go down, they're probably saying things like, no, for real though so and so is just the worst knowing that that's going to you know affect everyone's opinion so they are all attacking each other for sure but i think that they just don't really appreciate like there's something kind of like sneaky and like more duplicitous feeling about like not actually putting your voice out there but liking the random shit that you know like trolls put out there you know it's almost there's like a different vibe between creating your own hate versus co-signing troll hate, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

34:42Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, I look at it as, I mean, I agree with what you're saying. I just don't think it's worse than going on a podcast and talking about it because they're going on podcasts and they're talking shit about him and they're profiting off of it. And he's co-signing all this other stuff because it's like agreeing with an audience who's agreeing with you. You know, if like someone says, Ronnie said something so fun on the internet, I'm going to like it. Now, if they said, Ronnie said something fun and Ben's an asshole, I wouldn't like that because I'm smart enough not to. But if it was one of my enemies...

35:17Ben Mandelker: You also would not feel like I'm an asshole, Ronnie, right? Well, yeah.

35:23Ronnie Karam: You're my friend and so I wouldn't be like... But that's my point. You're my friend. I wouldn't be like, well, that's not... I would be like, that's not cool don't talk about ben that way but if it was my enemy if they were like i like ronnie but i you know literally hate um the protein diet i'd be like i like that because i also hate protein diet and the protein diet is done nothing but give me death breath and hard poop let me tell you something

35:49Ben Mandelker: even when people say shit about people that i don't like on the internet that are like in our circle i don't like it either way because it's just you're it's like a danger it's dangerous it's it's like not smart to do it because it always will be used against you in some way it is really feeding the trolls and danny is a fucking idiot for for doing it i'm sorry whether he was had a right to be annoyed whether he like was just trying to boost himself up you're a media personality and you've been one for like 20 years like you were on the oc you've been around the block this is not your first rodeo despite what you're saying and like you don't do that because it will it will always surface it will be used against you and then you're gonna look like the shitty person every single time so you just you know you note it you observe it and you move on with your life and you chuckle quietly to yourself yeah i guess just suffer because let me tell you

36:44Ronnie Karam: something and then just wait for janet to come call you a sexual assaulter 20 more times let me

36:50Ben Mandelker: this little index everywhere it's so many so many shady likes all the time but i don't i don't i

36:57Ronnie Karam: don't i keep it controlled danny yeah yeah i see what you're saying i just for me it's like it's bravo and we've seen this like fight a million times and i'm never that it's like it's the internet who cares yeah i mean it's kind of how i feel it's like part of what you guys are doing and he clearly hates janet and janet clearly hates him so i don't know why anybody owes any apologies because janet's not sorry for what she did for going to the extreme like she did even though she says she is like she reneges on it in this very episode so she doesn't she's not sorry like why should he be sorry for liking stuff that's like janet's a snake well i mean i don't care is it smart no am i team danny no i'm just not also this constant team victim janet hold just holding on coming on vacation and then holding on the screenshots like you like a picture of me as a snake that called my husband a cock oh my god who cares i probably liked it too

38:02Ben Mandelker: so britney is like so you're gonna believe jack's over me you're gonna believe jesse over me you're gonna believe any of these motherfuckers over me and then jesse's like don't call me a motherfucker call me a broke motherfucker thank you very much so jesse you know she's like okay it's not even about you jesse he's like but if you want me to start on you then i will start on you now jesse wants to get in on the fight and his only on-ramp is through britney so he's trying but she's like no you stay out of it okay it's not about you okay so jesse honestly i could care less it's not about

38:33Ronnie Karam: you yeah and she uh jesse's like well jack said he was gonna take down nia and danny and jesse tells us that on jack's and britney's podcast jack's talked about danny and that he was gonna expose them and britney didn't stand up and say come on jack relax come on so she's at the very least guilty by association and we know that she was coming in with him on this because of her plot last year of like, Mike, them look dumb. Well, I'm the only one who has to put my shit on camera and he gets to go take a nap. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So Brittany needs to be more honest with her feelings, too, because this is the second season where Brittany's like, what?

39:11Ronnie Karam: I don't like me. How can you say that? We all know that's not true. We all know it's true, so stop hiding behind your oh-he-he-he-he-he-he-he.

39:21Ben Mandelker: So Danny is saying like, well, this is you know, you were doing this when you guys were together. She's like, well, I know, but even then, it was like not my you know i did not do that he's like that was two years ago you know everyone knows that jackson's a compulsive liar and like jackson i hardly even spoke last summer so for them to even think that i was some part of a mastermind plan is completely inside right but you had a

39:43Ronnie Karam: podcast together where he said that and you didn't you didn't come against him britney which is kind of the point so danny's like when that comic came out you know that's all i'd known and i'm gonna get tagged in things and britney's like talk to me talk to me he's like oh hold on i'm so sorry look britney i really like our friendship and i apologize for that situation so well well thank you thank you very much i think he was just in a place of hurt and he wasn't ready

40:13Ben Mandelker: to like respond to anybody yet yeah what listen why are we still even talking about it right let's go!

40:21Ronnie Karam: And Jenna's like, oh my god, well then why are we still mad about what I said? You know, it's just words. Who cares? And he goes, oh, just words. Okay, I need a breather. We're gonna go to bed. See you mañana. Libra season. Woo-hoo! So she gets up and leaves, and now Danny, it's like, and this is why you can never stand up for Danny, because he's still such a victim-y little prick. He's like, are you kidding? You literally left with Libra season? Woo-hoo!

40:50Ben Mandelker: so yeah he's like scolding her like wow like that was not the way to go so lala's like why can't we like not have like a conversation with him like because he's been in the wrong like lots of times too you know and then uh danny and nia um they're in their own room now and danny's like that was insane yeah i just wanted to make sure everything in there here was like calm and chill and not as intense as it was and i was just like trying to like bring like a calmer energy he's like yeah but you weren't because you know his black his black media eyes are there where there's like no pupils and there's no like whites to his eyes they're just like little black alien eyes

41:25Ronnie Karam: are staring at her you know you weren't calming it down it's a danny move to bring her get her alone and then blame her for everything that just happened it's you danny it's your fucking actions are confronting you over and he is like yes i was calm he's like not really she says how and he says because I was talking about every situation and you weren't defending your husband.

41:48Ben Mandelker: Oh, God.

41:50Ronnie Karam: How am I supposed to defend my husband? Yeah, he liked a comment calling you a cuck. It was hilarious. My God. Don't marry a classy person if you don't want them to be classy. My God. What is she supposed to do? She did stand up for you. She said maybe his feelings were hurt and he wasn't ready to get back to you yet, guys.

42:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and she's like, well, I was giving you a perspective in a calm manner. He's like, well, I was very calm. No, you were not calm. Are you kidding me? Look, she just shared that in a calm way. Are you fucking kidding me, dear? So meanwhile, Tom and Zach and Benji now are back. Zach has calmed down. And Tom's like, well, I had bad vibes in my birthday. I don't like it. Oh. and they're like, yeah, by the way, Zach, what was going on with that outburst that you had? What's going on?

42:45Ronnie Karam: Well, Tupac over there is like, what the fuck was the outburst with that? What was that outburst, dog?

42:53Ben Mandelker: And Zach is like, I wasn't yelling at you, like, once I did. But like, wait, why did everyone leave? I was like, hoping to continue on with the fight. And Lala's like, yeah, some people had to be put to bed, you know, because they were acting like a fool. So that means time for bed. Like, you know, because you can't show your true colors.

43:09Ronnie Karam: apparently. And Janice's like, oh, God forbid, true colors come out. They can't come out. So Jasmine's like, are you not going to even look at me, Zach? Like, what's the problem? Like, we fought. It's over. We're going to be fine. He's like, in case you're wondering, I just had a full meltdown, okay?

43:24Ben Mandelker: Look at my eyes. They were crying. It seemed like you were on his side and you were defending him. And Lala's

43:35Ronnie Karam: like, well, I have to be able to talk to people about, like, things that I see that don't make much sense and i feel like there's a weird sense of blind loyalty coming from you with all due you luke kristin and zach's like i promise there's not blown loyal blind loyalty okay i'm not like blind to anything lala's like yeah but i'm watching it though jasmine says i

43:57Ben Mandelker: just think it's weird that you defend somebody sometimes so hard and you're such a good friend zach and i feel like you're being walked over he's lying to you and he's doing all these things um do you not think that i have an issue with that like i did not know that he drank or whatever until the other day like yeah that's like fucking weird you know like yeah and then out of nowhere like in the other room britney just goes jasmine's right and zach is like get out here britney if you want to say something get the fuck out here okay don't just do that don't scream from another room

44:28Ronnie Karam: scream from inside this room and britney's like we've been friends for 17 years since now they were talking to me like my hell janet's like everyone's asking why we cannot move on from

44:40Ben Mandelker: things and it's because everyone's so mad at me for taking talking about things that's why i'm your murder and you know what the thing that we can't touch so the reason why we can't move forward is because everyone's still mad at me for talking about the thing i'm the i'm the problem it's me i'm the anti-hero thank you taylor janet janet um because it's not just about talking about

45:01Ronnie Karam: the thing it's about talking about the thing then talking about the thing then upping the thing then upping the thing again then upping the thing again then screaming sexual assault or multiple times at the reunion over and over after the thing had already been solved between the people that it was between janet oh my god she's like but i just talked oh so tom's like well but the thing is resolved though she's like shocking shocking so now it's the next morning and uh zach's like whoops Maybe I was drunk. Maybe I don't remember how loud I was, but I feel refreshed.

45:33Ben Mandelker: I feel justified. I feel great. Yeah. I had a great scream last night. And people are just having breakfast and stuff. And Luke is now settling in with Kristen. And he's like, are you okay? She's like, yeah, I feel a lot better. I was really anxious and all sorts of feelings yesterday. He's like, yeah, I saw. um i you know like by the way saying that i care more about getting messed up than being with kaya is essentially saying i'm a bad dad and like it really hurts when i hear it over and over and over again it just like really upset upsets me by the way i'm gonna get fucked up tonight is that okay i'll talk to you later bye again yeah it really hurt when i heard that so i left you guys to go

46:14Ronnie Karam: get fucked up with our friends okay i've only gotten a few times the past few weeks that's how bad it hurt me and chris is like it's just so frustrating like i'm trying to express how i feel and luke how somehow hears it is like you're a piece of shit well also it's like i can't even call him a piece of shit anymore you're expressing it like you're a piece of shit

46:35Ben Mandelker: every time i call him a piece of shit he's like whoa i guess i'm just a piece of shit and i'm

46:39Ronnie Karam: just trying to express how i feel yeah so they have their you know cycle fight you know which they have every week, which is him saying, you know, anytime I want to do something that's not with you guys, you freak out. And she says, well, I've never told you not to do something. And when you say, you know, I want to go get fucked up, that's something different. And he's like, oh my God, why do you say that, Kristen? And she's like, because it bothers me that that's what we end up fighting about because you don't sleep in bed and then I get upset. And he's like, but you act like that's always how it goes.

47:12Ronnie Karam: And that's only happened a couple of times. This reminds me of the Stassi and Bo fight on Vanderpump Rules when Bo was new to dating Stassi and everything was perfect and then they had a Halloween party and Stassi was ready to go to bed and Bo wanted to stay up partying with all the guys and Stassi ripped into his ass and was like, is this what you think a relationship is? You think you're gonna just come onto TV and party with all the guys all night and that's gonna be your life i know bitch i go to bed you go to bed or you are not gonna be my husband we are not gonna have children so make up your fucking mind

47:57Ben Mandelker: yeah um that uh yeah she really laid down the law with that one and bow is smart enough to actually pay attention as opposed to luke um yeah so he's just like luke is doing this whole thing of like, well, I mean, it's just like, it doesn't mean I'm going to get wasted every time I go out. It's only been like 75 % of the time, you know? It's like, I think we just disagree.

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51:07Ben Mandelker: So then over in the girl suite, Michelle is jump roping for no good reason. And Janet's like, I mean, of all the things that you could criticize Michelle for saying that she's not motivated or like fit, that's like bonkers. And like this girl not only looks amazing But she's so active And of course this is like flashbacks to Aaron Who dumped Michelle for not being a fitness girlie And Michelle who's totally over it

51:34Ronnie Karam: Jump roping in a hotel room on camera With her friends So Danny joins Luke who's fishing on the beach Who does that? That's so annoying You're just going to get a hook in someone's foot

51:49Ben Mandelker: Feels like you're not going to get a Seen like a fish Like shouldn't you go farther in He just likes to hold that

51:56Ronnie Karam: He doesn't seem like a good fisherman He's just like I'm going to stand right in the sand On the beach and just throw a line In the water The line's already back at my feet How did that happen

52:08Ben Mandelker: It's how water moves So Danny comes over And he's like caca caca I was like sir that line belongs to Kristen and you're not allowed to take it. I know you just hear from somewhere behind them. On a balcony somewhere. My people are out there. That's why she loves Danny so much because he's the first one to actually respond to her. So Danny is like Danny's joke. He's like, oh god, reel that shark in, baby. We got one on. You see them jumping out there. Look at that. Look at all those fish out there. Yay. Go get it. Let's go.

52:44Ronnie Karam: God, he's so annoying at all moments Really? So Luke is talking about last night and how he left for one second And then before you know it, there's two conversations going on And Danny's like, oh, that sure got wild for a minute Remember when Nia was pulling out her hair and chasing people around with a baseball bat Threatening to murder him? Gosh, we really need to work on her behavior

53:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah, we really do You know what? Janet, she's the one who got a chance to go on a podcast podcast shouldn't spread even more lies that's my thing or lala did all them do and then he's talking about lala just basically instigating the situation and then up walks lala it's actually kind of funny because as he's going on about lala the camera keeps cutting over to lala slowly sauntering over to them and like he had so many chances to pivot away from talking about lala like she was in full view of him but he still just kept on talking and then she's like oh what's this going on? Podcasts and lives?

53:40Ben Mandelker: What are we discussing? Meesk? Come on, tell me everything. So Lala's saying, yeah, Danny loves showing off his abs and flexing. By the way, he's got a stellar body. I'll give him that. But that's a compliment. See, I do have something nice to say about him.

53:53Ronnie Karam: So she's like, what are you talking about? And he's like, oh, just doing some fishing, talking about a little bit of how fun last night was and how it all ended on such a positive note. Let's go! She's like, yeah, but you left. There was no resolutions. He's like, well, I've never had this situation in my life where I've had so much anger and hate for people, for two people. And she's like, you know, there's sometimes I go, like, I think Danny and Nia want the perception to be wonderful, and the reality is maybe not so wonderful. I mean, that's great, but coming from you, who we've watched fake shit on these shows for a decade, it's like, why are you the police?

54:35Well,

54:35Ben Mandelker: last night we did have an argument and we talked about this morning because I feel like Nia didn't have my back fully in the situation that was taking place last night. And so we have a relationship where communication is strong. Basically, I don't see anything and I go on the internet and I find people who are talking shit about me and I like those posts. And that way I get my message across. And when we're around other people, we're just like not going to unload our dirty laundry.

54:58Ronnie Karam: And she says, yeah, but you have an issue with Janet you won't let go of. You know, taking a word that she used out on the boat out of the, Let's just take the word that she used on the boat out of the equation. No, that's the whole point. That is the whole point of the argument. And he's like, well, how can you do that? Because Janet won't apologize for that. And Danny says, yeah. And she continues to do it. And she continues to talk about it. And there's some things where you can burn a bridge or you blow up a bridge.

55:31Ben Mandelker: Both ways are not good for the bridge, I'll have to say. and then Lala is like you know to sit there and say that okay well she did it like that's like not how I operate in any way shape or form so I'm like confused by it Lala who carries no grudges so Danny is like I know but you know like you don't know the full story you weren't there when it was happening that was one of the hardest summers of my life my name was attached to words that I would never in her my entire life think they would be and that was because of her and I I do have PTSD and trauma. I'm like, okay, sir, but you also, like, you were the one who put your hand on Jasmine's butt.

56:07Ben Mandelker: You did it. That's right. You did do it. The words suck, but you also did do it. It felt like Janet was speaking, like, it felt like using the word sexual assault felt, like, overkill for what you did. Although, technically, it does count as sexual assault. If you put your hand on someone's butt and it's unwanted, that does count. It's just that what we think of sexual assault, I think, more broadly speaking, is something that's a bit more, like, seems like bigger and more severe. I'm not going to even get into that. But, like, Danny, none of this would have happened if you didn't do it. And quite frankly, quite frankly, coming off last season, everyone who watched that season, I think Danny came out, no one was really looking at Danny as a villain last season.

56:52Ben Mandelker: People were saying, like, he shouldn't have done it, but he apologized. He made good with Janet. I'm not Janet, with Jasmine. And the fact that Janet was the one who inserted herself and then was linking him with the term sexual assault was really cruel. And it's kind of like, I feel like people were really largely on Danny's side. And so now he's like, oh, it was the hardest summer of my life. I was like, was it? I mean, it's not that it's nice to ever have your name linked to that. But you weren't canceled last summer.

57:22Ronnie Karam: Well, there are people who are on your side standing up for you. But there's always going to be people who are like, sexual assaulter, that guy's a sexual assaulter, which he was getting that, too. You know, you can have 100 comments saying one thing, but then a few saying you're a sexual assaulter and that's going to stand out, you know, when you've got kids and stuff. Now, that said, I'm really not sticking up for him for that, because like you said, he did it. You know, the problem was Janet taking that and using it for her own, you know, her own stuff, trying to get it Danny and Nia, who she hated.

57:54Ronnie Karam: It had nothing to do with standing up for Jasmine or worrying about Jasmine's well-being or something like that. So Danny, anyway, his manipulative side comes out because he's like, I have PTSD and trauma from that situation. Because Lala has set down the rules when Danny made fun of her being triggered that when you bring up a mental health thing, that's it. You know, you don't make fun of it. So he learned that lesson. So now he's going to try it for himself and be like, I was triggered. She can't say anything to me now, huh? I had PTSD and I was triggered. Have fun with that. Can't say anything mean to me now, sucker.

58:40Ben Mandelker: I mean, it really is rich because I guarantee he's still going to make fun of Lala for saying that she's triggered. I still guarantee he's going around and be like, oh, Miss Triggered. I guarantee he still calls her Miss Triggered behind her back and off camera too. I guarantee he still is like, oh, trigger, trigger, trigger. and here he is waltzing in saying that he was triggered so uh congratulations welcome to being a bravo liberty and so he's like yeah you know what i probably should not have liked those comments and i was like you know what danny that's like i love hearing you say that because like the only way we can move on is like not you guys like you know liking like you know kicking and painting each other's toenails i don't think that's ever gonna happen but like letting go because like you know it feels toxic to feel that for somebody and anybody who came down to see if that was like By the way, I just wanted to see if you guys were fucking fishing, and clearly not.

59:27Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, he finally reluctantly is like, yeah, I shouldn't have done that, which is what he should have just said last night and diffused it in the first place.

59:34Ronnie Karam: So Jasmine's going to talk to Zach because they're friends and she doesn't want to have problems. And so she's asking him how he's feeling, and is he hungover? He's like, nope, not at all, not even a little bit. And she's like, you know, last night there was a lot going on. and uh he said okay the emotions got enough they got the best of me you know basically sorry she's like i was just trying to play janet's hootie ass game it's pizza box i still don't know what it is

1:00:02Ben Mandelker: pizza box and i like that zack says i was just like trying to have like a more structured conversation until like emotions got the best of me there was not even an attempt at structured conversation shut the fuck up i'm still in the state of mourning over my monster fridge you i don't even know shut the fuck up just trying to have a civilized conversation i know i get what

1:00:23Ronnie Karam: he means though as far as like i want to have my conversation with danny about the danny stuff i saw not be not have my danny stuff dragged into your sexual assaults we still see we have you know like you guys are trying to make my thing about your thing and my thing is not about your thing it's about my own thing so let me have my own thing but then of course you can't do that because

1:00:44Ben Mandelker: he loses his shit every few seconds britney comes down joins him at the pool um and uh they're just like start talking again some more about last night and britney's like by the way i love you but you were so mean to me last you were my and you were mean to her too and jack's like yeah but like you know i felt that i was mean because i felt that way

1:01:06Ronnie Karam: it makes sense now right what do you mean you felt that way that hurt my that hurt my feelings because you were saying stuff that nobody was being honest and like everybody was being honest but you Zach and I know you were drunk and that makes a little bit more emotional you know but like I don't think right now you're dealing with me like you did last night and I know you wouldn't do that to me you know but I need actual apology like that hurt my feelings he's like okay 100 % I should have not yelled like I did and I should not have been so over the top okay but I feel like you guys go so hard for Danny and then when I've gone against him multiple times or been like you need to look at your behavior you know i don't i don't feel like zach has gone as hard

1:01:47Ben Mandelker: for danny as he has gone for other people quite frankly so britney is like it's like well i could get a glass of my drinks you know i'll take a shot with him and zach's like it's the hiding and the lying that's like an issue and like yeah like tell tell danny that i will i have it i'm going to so now janet and michelle join uh jesse tom and kristin at the bar because they're going to go into town to go shopping and Nia's joining too so what could possibly go wrong yeah Janet's like

1:02:17Ronnie Karam: wow Nia's coming oh great and Nia's like well last night was crazy and sometimes I'm sensitive to energies and I really don't want to be around Janet's energy but today I'm going to be with her all afternoon just staring at her face

1:02:35Ben Mandelker: so then they're all in this van and Tom's like you know guys I have to say even if the trip ended right now I still say it was great yeah real great everyone screamed at each other friendships were continued to get maimed and Kristen and Luke's relationship continued to inch towards separation so yeah shorts and balooza all day long

1:02:57Ronnie Karam: yeah and Kristen's feeling better today so she's along and she's left the baby at the hotel which is crazy and Jesse's saying you know a lot of people last night were triggered and lala turned to danny and was like i heard you like cucking it wasn't about the cucking and michelle's like yeah it is about liking negatives enough about a b-ball he goes it just seems like a post he liked the fact that he called jason a clown and her a snake like who cares

1:03:24Ben Mandelker: yeah and quite frankly sometimes it could just be about that you see you see like the snake and whatever you're like okay like and you don't realize oh it's actually more vile because i didn't read the caption so you know these things do happen i'm not i'm not ever gonna try to be an apologist for danny but i i do understand that um so kristen is like uh she's like oh my god did danny really just like a post that was mean about janet and jason i mean so did i and so did zach and like so did everyone else with half a brain like grow the fuck up who cares i don't think kristen would by the way if kristen if someone liked a post that was like danny and and Nia or like pieces of shit or whatever, some sort of like terrible meme, Chris would be like, shut the fuck up.

1:04:07Ben Mandelker: These are the best people in the entire world. You don't even know what you're talking about. In fact, I think that actually did happen. It's hard to remember what gossip has filtered through, but I feel like Chris literally just went off on someone who's talked shit about Danny and Nia on the internet.

1:04:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Jesse says, well, Lala was a fire starter and then Danny started heating up. And Nia's like, well, of course, but I understand why he's heated. Michelle says, but why? Why is he heated? it. She's like, well, he's understandably hurt and triggered. We're just going to keep using triggered now because we've learned that that's a protection word with this cast.

1:04:43Ben Mandelker: And Jesse's like, well, saying someone's a molester. No one said that. Well, they said sexual assault. And Jack goes, well, I think that would be a headline either way if I said it or not because it happened and people online were saying it well before I even said it. And he was like, it wouldn't have been a headline without you. And Jack's like, well, you're welcome. she's so like can you imagine that that's what her response is like i know like people hate janet but i think it's like funny when she's just so cut fitnessy sometimes i don't know it tickles me she's like well you're welcome so nia's like she's like well she just said you're welcome for everything well so obviously your apology was complete bullshit and tom is like janet no no janet you didn't mean that no i'm a little boy i'll fix it and janet's like you're acting

1:05:31Ronnie Karam: like this wouldn't have come out if it weren't for me but it would have been out anyway so it's not that it wouldn't be out janet oh my janet's just never gonna get it and he is like it's not about it coming out it's the words janet that you use like you double down you triple down and michelle goes she is sorry for that no she's not and it's really annoying that michelle and lala accuse kristin and all of them on being on a team when they're clearly on a team you know it's like we're gonna talk about this we're gonna bring these screenshots up we're gonna do you know and britney and like there's teams on this show and then they're like how come you guys are on a team you guys are doing the exact same thing and michelle she never said she's sorry so stop speaking for her and he says then let her say it you know don't speak for her so janice janet tells us i think neil wants me to say i'm sorry i made this all up that none of it ever happened and then it doesn't exist no she doesn't we all know it happened he apologized to jasmine multiple times for it happening janet stop oh my god she's so frustrating i can't take it well she goes well i am an example of somebody who's like having everything handed to her this season as far as getting a redemption season but she just can't hold the ball that's funny to me though like that's

1:06:49Ben Mandelker: To me, that's hilarious when someone cannot, they can't do it.

1:06:54Ronnie Karam: I think it's funny when it's someone I find amusing in any kind of a way, but someone with zero personality and zero humor, I just don't like that on my Bravo. I need more from my Bravo people. If you're funny and you're really sarcastic or you give a lot during a season and then you can also pull the, but I'm the victim in all of this. Like, for example, Housewives of Rhode Island. Love Liz. I love her. I think she's wrong 90 % of the time. But I think she's just so fucking funny that she can get away with anything with me. You know, where someone like Janet is just like, God, it's like a two-day-old pizza crust.

1:07:34Ronnie Karam: It's just like it's giving nothing. Just take it off the counter and throw it away. Like, just stop bringing it up to me. I'm not going to eat it.

1:07:40Ben Mandelker: Ronnie, I take real issue with saying that Janet has no personality. She likes Dave and Buster's. case closed um she plays pizza box it's even i don't know i've been busters for me i'm like oh god not a david busters so janet's basically like she's she's like she's like saying look i i what i'm sorry for is that i that i got involved i i started speaking about her jasmine and melissa hurt nia because you know having her you know because having her husband do that could be really hurtful. So she's sorry for, she said she's sorry for really speaking on it and getting involved. But she's not sorry that she spoke up, I guess, or I guess saying that it happened or whatever.

1:08:26Ben Mandelker: So Nia is like, Janet, tell me you're sorry if you really mean it. And Janet's like, she's like, just stare at her. And Nia's like, exactly! So Janet's like, can we just get off this bus? So she gets off the bus. She's like, I'm sorry for some of the stuff I did and my delivery. And I'm not sorry for saying the truth. A plus apology, Janet. I'm sorry for some of the stuff. Yeah. I'm so amused. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm a terrible person. I'm like amused. I'm amused by like Janet's inability to figure her way out of the situation. It's just like, he's doing cops for me.

1:09:05Ronnie Karam: She just runs off fake crying and calls her husband. and uh of course jesse's like there she goes running away yeah she always does that's fine i'm not worried about it and janet is uh on the phone like everything mean to me it's like babe you're the best in the world i'm sitting at home getting the getting the balls in the ball pit ready for you just come home and sit in the ball pit whenever you're ready so meanwhile uh everyone else is like let's have fun so they start going shopping and wearing wacky outfits and bikinis and stuff like that and now they go to a bar and uh have a shot of book is it called book okay which is fermented agave and they're like and then um lala is uh so now zach brit britney and lala and they're talking about last night and zach's like there were just so many conversations like I don't even know what the whirlwind was, but I actually wanted to have a conversation with Danny.

1:10:06Ronnie Karam: The other day when you and me went shopping for anniversary gifts, we specifically started talking about my party. And I was like, I know you didn't drink at my party. And you were like, yeah. But then I got home and Benji tattled on you. So you put it in a solo cup. So I don't appreciate being lied to. He's like, you're right. I did have a drink.

1:10:30Ben Mandelker: and he's like yeah i don't like that being like i don't like being lying lied to and britney's like and like nobody freaking cares and he's like i know that i just didn't want to make an issue about it because i wasn't drunk and zach's like yeah but unfortunately you made it a bigger issue and britney's like exactly it's not like anybody will care i promise you and melissa says yeah drink as much as you want yeah it's not about that like i just want to hear the truth did you or did you not at Britney's go up to the gym and do a white claw up there? He's like, no, I did not. Got to the footage of Danny taking a white claw off camera to drink.

1:11:06Ben Mandelker: I mean, this guy. This fucking guy.

1:11:10Ronnie Karam: So then he tells us, he's like, gosh, what are we doing? I'm not sneaking shelters. I mean, whatever. And hypothetically, if it was me that left a white claw in there, who cares? Y 'all taking shots every 10 minutes.

1:11:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but you're the one running away and hiding, Danny. Hiding and then being super annoying. And then lying. Yeah. And so Lala is like, you know, you just had one drink at the apartment. So there was that. And Brittany's like, yeah, Jasmine found it randomly. And I just heard that Danny was the one doing it. And he's like, gosh. Okay, look, it's not an excuse. But last summer was hell. And I still have PTSD, you know, from like, from who has my back and like, who really is my friend. You know, I guess you could say I was mistriggered or something like that. Lala's like, whatever, I'm digging the water.

1:11:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Lala's like sick of this horse shit. And so he says, thank you for apologizing. I just want to make sure we're on the same page. Because we have to go back and forth. It's not an attack of character. It's more like, this is, oh, no, Zach's saying this. He's like, just going back, it's not an attack on character. It's more of like, this is what I'm seeing in this moment or whatever. Okay, good. Are we good? And everyone's like, yeah, we're good now. We're good. it's like oh my god this is the most protective conversation i've ever had

1:12:28Ben Mandelker: yeah tonight and say yeah yeah that's right tonight we're gonna like celebrate zach's highway road rides like yeah the first gay party in part of priority ever right so uh now the other group the miserable group they go out to lunch and um they're sitting down and uh that kristin is like so by the way we were talking about tom's anal fissures the last time remember here remember that oh and we also get like a clip from like summer house randomly in the middle of this and they're really trying to like spread the the summer house magic touch on on every franchise now they're like let's wedge in a clip of from 2019 and look there's kyle there's

1:13:07Ronnie Karam: page yeah so they're talking about diarrhea and um how jesse gets colonics and michelle's like when i met him he would do one once a month so he tells us what a colonic is uh it's exciting So basically this show Talking about what a colonic is So then Tom of course is like I want to do a colonic with you

1:13:31Ben Mandelker: And Yeah I just always think of Shazza Sunset With Reza and MJ getting their colonic on camera It's a very visceral experience So Jesse is like by the way

1:13:41Ronnie Karam: Getting their butts waxed on camera Didn't they get their butts waxed and bleached on camera That was That one's going to stick with me Yeah

1:13:50Ben Mandelker: there are so many unresolved issues at this table shall we uh address them and kristen's like well michelle and i don't have a thing anymore so that's good and he's like i you know whatever and they're basically just trying to mediate the two of them and so jesse's like well aside from protecting your husband what personally hurt you by what she did personally to you and he's like that's a good point so with me there's been multiple times where my words have been twisted into something that they were not for example the dinner at britney's rental house when i very clearly said hey this is what i've been through my life and then you took that and twisted it which is not exactly what happened it was like you were no i thought she was like they were like what was going on with danny and janet was like by the way if you ever if there is an issue if you ever need to talk about and he was like there's no such thing as an issue and it was like whoa it was To me, it was a much bigger response than someone just being like, hey, I've been through things like this with someone who might have an issue with drinking.

1:14:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, not me. That was clearly Janet being like, well, I've been with someone who has a drug and alcohol problem, so when you need help, you can reach out to me. She's like, I'm not saying he has a drug and alcohol problem, Janet.

1:15:10Ben Mandelker: So Nia did not like that, obviously. That's still bothering her. Michelle's like well I'm just trying to be open because I don't want you to feel blindsided because almost everybody in this group feels uncomfortable when Danny drinks just so you know and she's like

1:15:26Ronnie Karam: so everybody felt uncomfortable last night and she's like no well not last night and uh Janice like well people were talking this morning in bed I'm gonna be honest yeah you Michelle and Brittany of course and lala of course you're always going to be talking and kristen's like well do you care if danny has one or two or four and she's and they're like nobody cares if he drinks and uh nia's like will you drink around other friends it's never an issue this group wants to make him a terrible human and kristen is and again nobody's just saying what they need to say which is it's not his drinking we don't like how he treats you when he's drunk it's embarrassing and it makes us worry for you but no one will say that they keep making it about the drinking while saying they're not making it about the drinking and christian's like oh you know who needs to stop drinking britney number one and fucking jasmine number two and nia says and zach and christian's like and zach all three of them are fucking messes when they drink and immediately janet whips out her phone it's like and we see ding and britney gets attacked like wait a minute janet just say

1:16:32Ben Mandelker: guys we need to talk people are saying shit you guys need to know which is definitely overly dramatic for what was happening it was classic janet just like starting the pot so britney is like oh my god it's emergency so kristen's saying how like zach made a lot of people uncomfortable last night and um and so janet is like uh she's now texting all this stuff like me and kristen are willing to paint Brittany and Jasmine and Zach in a bad life just to protect Danny. So, so anyway, Schwartz is like, you really have to put yourself in her shoes sometimes. And she's like, I have. I have. And he's like, no, she doesn't.

1:17:14Ben Mandelker: There's no resolution here. Okay, this is, this is not going anywhere. No, but I feel like you, you feel teamed up on, right, Janet? And Janet's like, no, I have nothing to say. Can we just end this, please?

1:17:26Ronnie Karam: Janet's like, whatever. nothing to say here i'm a victim and she's tattletaling on everybody and michelle's like well again i say that you guys are both very heard very heard and very mad and jesse's like well if janet was so hurt she would cry or express something anything she's like shut the fuck up jesse and uh tom's like i was just like man she's like he's a what i always like that when someone

1:17:53Ben Mandelker: says that to Jesse. Shut the fuck up!

1:17:55Ronnie Karam: Go on. So Tom's like, give her a break. And she's like, he's a dumb prick, and that's the reason he's half a million dollars in debt, idiot.

1:18:04Ben Mandelker: It's like, deflector. Jesse! Jesse! Don't take the bait! I would rather, honestly, just remove myself than keep on doing this. Well, you always want to exit! That's your M.O. Which is rich, coming from Nia. And Janet's like, well, I think that we just disagree. And I think that's just what it is. And she's like, well, it's also the fact that she apologized and just took get back. Well, I apologize for speaking flippantly about it. I'm not taking blame for Danny's actions. She's like, well, who asked you to do that? That's bullshit. Well, it seems to me that you're thinking the headlines are because of me, and the headlines are because of what he did.

1:18:35Ben Mandelker: No, Janet, it's because of your choice of words. She's like, well, I'm not going to apologize for the whole situation, because the situation wouldn't have happened if he didn't do weird shit, and he's still doing weird shit.

1:18:46Ronnie Karam: Oh, there she goes, and he's still doing it, and she's like, aw, that's bullshit, Janet. And Tom's like, oh, I'm going to go to the bar and take a shot. And Nia's like, oh, hopefully it's not just a runaway. And she's running away, Janet. And so Tom's like, it would be nice if you guys had one conversation. And he's like, yeah, I hope she comes back.

1:19:12Ben Mandelker: So now Janet calls Jason again. And Jason's like, I'm sorry, I'm just busy being really hot in bed right now. So I don't know if I can take this call. So she's like, if there was just a shred of accountability in these conversations, I wouldn't feel like I'm going crazy and that I need to step away. But what's triggering is that Dan is perfect and you're crazy and it's actually all your fault, Janet. I actually don't even know if they're arguing about the same thing, to be fair. I think they are thinking two different things. I think Janet is thinking that she's being accused of creating a firestorm on the internet.

1:19:43Ben Mandelker: And Nia is upset because Janet was linking her husband's name with sexual assault. And I'm not even sure they realize that they're completely misaligned in what they're even arguing over.

1:19:54Ronnie Karam: I mean, I think it's the same thing. Janice is just like, what's the big deal? It happened on TV and I talked about it. So what? And she's saying, yeah, a butt grab happened. He apologized for it and you turned it into sexual assault or sexual assault or sexual assault over and over and over again. And to add to my frustration, while supporting Jax, while your husband is still over there supporting Jax constantly. So annoying. I hate that. But that's the vow for you. And Jesse's saying, well, maybe she needs some accountability and people might like her. And Michelle's like, it is my understanding that she has done that.

1:20:36Ronnie Karam: I have to say, Michelle is a good friend to people. She is very loyal To her friend She is loyal

1:20:46Ben Mandelker: Good old Michelle Lally It's annoying I guess we'll see how this shakes out I'm going to assume Not well Not well bitch Yeah It's a dark situation And they're all doing a great job Looks like you're having a great time

1:21:04Ronnie Karam: This show needs more This does not need to be the same old Danny fight from last year you guys need to do something anything get a life do something get a hobby i don't know someone fuck somebody so fuck somebody outside your marriage give us something new this is crazy that we're still having to talk about this two years later too many babies don't don't fuck anyone don't fuck anyone and not not having to do with babies yeah be careful what you ask for do something not having to do with babies please i mean hot take i thought i i enjoyed the

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