#3439 Next Gen NYC S2E02 Part One: Letting Things Slide

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1:58Ben Mandelker: talk about i'm ben mandelker and joining me today uh while ronnie is out it is one of my favorite fellow podcasters it's mr eric williams hi eric how are you ben mandelker i'm so good and so chuffed to be on one of my favorite podcasts of all time oh my god well i am very flattered you are doing great things you are blowing up at all times you're always doing so much Eric is the host of That's a Gay Ass podcast and we'll tell everyone else just promote a way, tell people where they can find you what you're working on these days I mean, listen, if you are a Bravo girl like I am then you will enjoy following me on Instagram.com except you have to be a fan of gay guys because I'm posting a lot of gay guy stuff I'm at Eric Wills on Instagram and yeah, my podcast asks the famous question, whose fault is it that you're gay ben and ronnie did it years ago i'm gonna be having you guys back on soon um so look out for an email from me benjamin and um there's extended episodes on substack so yeah for the girls who love the gays and for gay guys who like to talk about character actresses and hairy chests and i feel like mustaches too i feel like mustaches are a big recurring theme love a mustache yeah no there's i i have sort of embraced my mustache harriet ness um i used to really hate being a hairy jewess but here i am reclaiming my time yeah and um you survived having a million people uh shit on you for comparing yourself to the dad from inside out and i really i really admire the way you you rode that wave twitter like betrayed like all the gays just thrashed you i was like this is this is the most gay thing to happen i hope you felt flattered by that because the gayest thing that could happen would be for the entire gay community to be like fuck you bitch you know and uh that's what you that's what you received well listen to give anybody context who has no idea what we're talking about i posted the inside out dad costume for my halloween costume and there's this meme where a lot of people have crushes on the pixar dads and there's a meme of the dad from inside out with like a bulge in his jeans and like sitting in shorts like looking kind of horny and so i thought it would be a fun lazy halloween costume and i made the mistake of posting it to twitter.biz and um immediately had people say you how dare you think you look like him you're too chopped old ugly and balding and yeah no i'll be honest i ended up being funny for a couple actually no I'm going to edit that it started out really funny and then for a couple of days once it all ended I was like oh so I'm ugly but then more time went by and I realized I've gone through too much therapy to let a teenager in Milwaukee make me feel bad about myself and so it did end up going full circle and now it's just fully insane and hilarious and I'm very much but yeah it was fucking wild you're very handsome I would like to also add it's I think gets that people are crazy people on the internet are crazy and yeah sometimes when you when you're on the receiving end of of like internet hate you can be as well adjusted as possible it's it's it can be tough it can be tough and you're like you have to sort of like really remind yourself like okay these are internet people it's not wait didn't you just you just got um outed as not coming back on for like what summer house aren't you didn't you have some recent press guys i was fired um i was fired from summer house this is a true story uh an article ran on entertainment now.com that said uh talking about the new cast of summer house that will be this weekend and they said among the other people like oh west and amanda are not coming back also not returning uh ben mandelker was not asked to return because he doesn't he didn't really mix with the rest of the cast that's fair i did not and you know what you were never asked to come back because you were also never cast on the show but i wasn't there in the first place one of the reasons why i did not really connect with the cast was because i was not physically there to connect with them and it's sort of hard to connect when there's no contract in place i do like to fantasize though if you were on summer house i actually think that you would be the voice of reason in the house they would be so lucky to have you there you know i would love to think i would be voice of reason i think instead i would just everyone who was mad at you about doing the inside out you know costume i think it would just like they would be like okay we're done with him let's go for the new gay guy on tv yeah what happened to the gay guy it was is a steven even steven was on seasons one and two um he did not come back for season three we actually um we were friendly with steven back then and uh he was uh he was a really nice guy um he came to one of our live shows um i haven't really talked to him in years but i hope he's well hot boyfriend now i still follow him on instagram he has a hot boyfriend now looks like he's on driving up he's fine he's thriving good summer house is overdue to have a gay again by the way i think it's crazy they don't have a gay male and not to bring us already into next gen but i'm starting to really appreciate having gay voices of reason or chaos and i do think that summer house is it's the straight men have run it to the ground and yeah gays um i'm just happy to be gay and happy post pride month ben yeah exactly happy post pride um we we 100 need some gays on summer house it's it's actually crazy there's actually what's actually crazy is that for bravo as much of a gay following that bravo has is how few gay main cast members there are on bravo you have zach on the valley you had mark francis on laser london rip and then um none on summer house vanderpump rules you had venus right and then what about amen sutton strak fired her gay so that was tough yeah you have like you have some side characters that flitter through but um i don't i'm trying i feel see now i'm now i'm in danger here because now if i don't mention someone i'm doing erasure so i'm sure i'll just have a slot and post-production like and also and then we'll just move our mouse so we can place in the names we forgot and we and you know we love and could you ever forget um yeah we shout out all the queers of bravo and thank you for your service thank you thank you for your work actually you know what um um i'll tell you what southern hospitality has has has solid representation you have two gays on there okay two gays so michaels and tj who i feel like should be on your show at some point right let's just always i'm always looking ben so i'm gonna i'm gonna pitch well today next gen new york city it's back i gosh i love this show this show is so fun this show is the show where the inventor of the diagonal wipe comes to celebrate because every transition has like three diagonal wipes going on did you notice that not only do i notice the diagonal wipes i also notice how the founder of caption sizes is having a heyday because every caption every other word is a 15 point font a nine point font a 12 point font there are i'm loving the artistic choices but it's giving wide range yeah and they even had a moment where there was a flashback while brooks was talking about his inventory in texas they actually recreated the inside of a warehouse and then projected the scene of brooks and the new guy i forget liam like on the wall of the warehouse that supposedly had brooks's inventory i was like this is this is a post-production uh field day here yeah i always shout out the editors on these shows but they i know you said it on last week's episode for this the post-production team is putting in the work they and it's and it's not because the show is bad sometimes i feel like they do overboard and editing to like save bad content but i'm loving this drama i think it's a return to the form i think it's like the fights are fast and furious they're stupid there's hot people um i we'll talk about how we feel about all these people but i yeah i think is this all the overproduction actually feels like it somehow like matches this vibe of being gen z in new york city where there's like over stimulation text messages everywhere different all these different platforms group text but then you have like billboards and subways and strange people and like pizza and pigeons and so like all these things are coming at you at once and so like you have this thing of like things are constantly encroaching on the screen in a way that kind of just matches.

11:05Ben Mandelker: Like if this were on Southern Charm, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I need a long shot with a horse and a carriage coming through. Exactly. But I also think that it's matching the content of like our conversations on this show or about crypto and AI. And it is in like some of the verbiage, not to sound aged, but some of the ways that these young people are speaking is confirming that i'm of a different generation like it's all very of the now in a way that i feel old but you're very hip because you just made a cameo appearance on a or at least you just posted a cameo appearance on a 50 cent um tv show i did post that it happened to have been in 2017 we'll pretend it was now uh yeah no i i love to work with the most hippest current recording artists like curtis jackson 50 cent uh yeah well we used to have the same agent and i was um i used to really make it i triangulated that to be like i was friends with 50 cent as a result wait you and 50 cent had the same agent i had the same literary agent and uh yeah i mean not that 50 cent is not i had the same agent and like the agent would he was my agent for like writing scripts and screenplays and everything like that but he also represents 50 cent and everything 50 cent is doing and so i felt for a while that that made me friends with 50 cent i was basically like lala and it does it does i was also just picturing you and 50 cent in a waiting room auditioning for the same roles that's sort of where my mind went for a second well there was a period of time where i i was friendly with method man and that is a true story which is an unexpected twist in my in my backstory the lore of the manager very name droppy backstory but that's for another time and place um so uh so now here we are oh i started reading the notes for in the city a very it takes same city different show um this is a new this is next gen new york city and uh we are still at the party that we left off of last week where we were in a scandal that has rocked not just bravo but the larger internet community which is that teresa unfollowed ava and then gia claimed that that didn't happen and called ava a liar and i think we've all had to draw some lines in the sand on this one it's been divisive it's been tough um but here we are we're surviving are you surviving eric you know i remember when g is mom as they call her unfollowed me and it really really hurt um the fact that they were calling her g is mom for a second is insane as if we're not talking about theresa herself i think it's but again like to me a return to the form of the housewives is how avian how ava and gia start out the episode with this fight and then it like actually moves pretty fast which i appreciated yeah because this whole show moves very fast and so ava's and i love that this is ava's big beef she goes gia of all people really should know just how devastating it can be in this industry to have somebody like herself calling me a liar because earlier at last episode she was like if my own friends call me a liar what will brands think which and didn't she at this point have fully like 11 000 followers and not to say that follower count is anything but for ava listen delusion is a big part of this industry in this world and i applaud ava for having it i'm gonna see i mean there's gonna be a real-time check of ava's oh i checked she's now up to like 130 or something so like she's because she should be she there's no reason why she should be that low i'm shocked by some of these people's followings on other shows like like some of the um valley people are it's you know being on television these days does not equate to followers but ava's i think ava is killing it now she is well i'm following her does she follow me back i don't think she follows me back i think we traded some messages at bravo com because i did the next gen no she does not follow me back that's okay that's okay um she has 126 000 followers on instagram so she's coming up in the world good for her and now she okay so now she does have to worry about the industry in quotation marks and what people are because if you're a liar brands are not going to work with you and i've always said that i'm like i think you'll be okay your dad you know brands need to have an honest influencer first and foremost first and foremost we need to make sure that your whatever like dishware you're going to be peddling is like we need to have an honest voice behind this like caraway home home furnishing and you cannot be lying about Gia's mom unfollowing you on Instagram.com.

16:04Ben Mandelker: So everyone's like, oh my God, they're arguing. They're arguing. And Charlie's like, Gia and Ava are beefing right now. So Gia's like, I mean, my mom mistakenly unfollowed you. Like, what's the big deal? And she's like, that's not the issue. She's like, well, what is the issue? Because I've said it five times now. And then Liam, Liam's the new guy. He's like, is there beef happening behind me? i'm trying to listen i really can't put it together all that beef and such and they're all like peering in like whoa are they fighting is this really happening are they really fighting about teresa um and uh basically as you said it kind of gets settled quickly because basically they're like i don't just like i don't really have a beef with you i don't know what this is all about right and she's like i just want an apology you know yeah it's tense and then they just the whole back and forth i do love how um it's become people are excited by the fact that they are fighting but no one actually cares enough to know what the real fight is about because spoiler alert it's about nothing um do you use mom unfollowed ava from charlie yeah i think that's what happened are they beefing is there beef happening behind us what do you think about this new guy liam i'd love to hear your thoughts well i listened to last week's watch what crap ends and ben you said that he uh you felt that there was some caution that needed to be thrown with liam i have a problematic uh crush on him and that is i am so soaking wet for liam in a way that makes me question what is he bringing up in me that maybe is not healed you know is it because he's a volunteer firefighter performatively probably there's a volunteer firefighting element that he does upstate at lake george i think you know what it is is that he and brooks being friends is healing in me the like classic straight guy bull bullies the gay guy but i think he handles a gay guy really well like i even wrote down something that he said oh the fact that he could like use the word kiki in a way that wasn't disgusting as a straight man i thought that there was a power to that and maybe if i'm being really honest with myself is that i'm sure that he has kissed a man before and it will happen again despite him being straight and maybe i have this like like secret wish that maybe it'll be me one day maybe it could be i mean he's got the facial hair so i know that's like a plus for you right love and yeah um he's got sort of the kalkin family face which is very much um i i just i do i worry that he is performative i know i said before his firefighting is performative i actually don't know that and people will get mad they'll be like he's saving a community i just kind of feel like if you're a volunteer firefighter in lake george but you live down in manhattan i'm not sure how helpful that's always gonna be right well let's also call a spade six i'll be there in five hours i'm on my way let's call a spade a spade which is that he is an out of work actor who is filling his time with 12 other hobbies and he is happy to be on a reality show because he's looking into a camera like i'm not i'm not blind to the fact that he loves a red blinking light on a camera however i do find that there's like a certain effortlessness to it and charm that again i'm unfortunately admitting it does i feel sweet spy i do enjoy it yes i will say he seems very nice but i i just get the sense that he's a bit of a dilettante and he's just like a little bit of everything so that way he can say he can do a little bit of everything but he probably talks about everything as if he's like master of it i know but i prefer that to charlie charlie like the bar is low for straight men on bravo and i think these straight men were seeing sort of like the young version of the kyle cooks of the world and who i know he's also mentioned many ways but um liam compared to charlie i i take liam any day oh a hundred percent a hundred percent i just feel like um i'm suspicious of him i'm not i'm not gonna lie there's something that i i don't know there's also an element of him where i feel like he is in um eighth grade and he is in the school play playing an adult you know what i'm saying yeah but don't you kind of feel like most of these kids are doing that on this show like to see all of these children of housewives be the main part of these shows has been such an out-of-body experience like every time riley speaks i'm like is your mom here to you know protect and but i edit to that i do think riley is uh looking amazing and is great on the show i also think that i've been very impressed and full transparency i didn't watch a lot of this first season i was in and out and now this new season i'm fully on board and i'm in love with um ariana i think that ariana's been great you know what i think for me it's like i i never there was a there was a movie about bugsy malone that i never saw that i think started like teenagers like scott baio or something like that and i i never saw that movie but in my mind this show is like that movie and i believe you because i also have not seen it neither of us have seen that movie and i think this is just like it i agree and i agree i've not seen it but i'm pretty sure this show no it is the show where like tweens are playing bugsy malone yeah no it's very that it's very that um yeah there's there's it's actually just so many of these characters i am loving like like shia has a little bit of a or shy has a bit of a charm to him um gia i'm shocked to have the parents that she has and to be as well adjusted as she is i'm like so impressed with her i mean georgia's my favorite but like by and large like I love Georgia.

22:04Ben Mandelker: She is so Gen Z to me. She's so hilariously Gen Z. Like everything she says cracks me up. Yes, I'm repulsed by the fact that she doesn't wash her hands and she's like happy to have found someone else who doesn't wash her hands. But I think she's so funny. And I feel bad to this day because when we were moderating the next gen panel at BravoCon, I like somehow like I kind of like, it's not that I panicked, but like for whatever reason, And I kind of had this moment where I crazy shaded Georgia to her face because I had to ask a question that was like, hey, Riley, you didn't like Georgia's club idea.

22:40Ben Mandelker: And then for some reason I go, and it was a pretty bad idea. I was totally on your side with that. I mean, it was a shitty idea. I said something like that. And I was like, why did I just do that? Like, why did I just like rail on Georgia out of nowhere while I'm supposed to be moderating? And then afterwards, when we're walking off stage, I turned to her. I said, sorry, I just sort of shaded you out of nowhere. And she goes, I know you did. I said, I'm sorry. But hey, you apologize. And also, it's low stakes. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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24:03Also, don't you think that she is a young character actress? I think Georgia is going to... She really could, babe. I just, I do also love her energy. Also, not to get too far ahead, but Brooke Shields' daughter, I think, is also similarly character actressian, and I'm in love with her.

24:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm very excited about that development. So we're back in this fight, and Ava has, she's also, by the way, pulled out proof. She has a screenshot of Teresa following her, and then she also has a screenshot of Teresa's profile, which does not say follow back, which also means that Ava unfollowed Teresa, I'd like to point out. But Gia has a great question, which is, like, why do you have a screenshot of this? Like, why is this documented in your phone? who has the time to look at their Instagram notifications like that? Like she's like, I've got like a thousand likes and comments every second of the day.

24:56Ben Mandelker: Now. I mean, if like a big celebrity follows me, like I for sure will sometimes like take a screenshot and like send to some friends, like, Oh my God, look. Yeah. But like, but I feel like if you're Ava and you're on the same show as like Gia and Teresa and Teresa follows you, I don't know if that's like a screenshot, screenshot worthy. Right. Well, it's definitely not a, uh, like high vibrational move. Yeah. Your mom's Rachel Roy. Like you already have a famous mom. So like, and why do we care i know and then and then what i do love is uh the apology happens where gia's like i'm sorry for calling you a liar and then ava's like see that's all that i needed and then gia immediately starts choking which i thought was uh high camp the thing though that i found to be sort of crazy is and correct me if i'm wrong but when charlie asks asks who won the fight which is classic asshole straight dude gia goes i think we mutually won and then gia goes maybe with ai Maybe she AI generated that fucking screenshot.

25:51Is this our first like AI screenshot storyline? Has AI played a role in like, uh, receipts yet?

25:59Ben Mandelker: Um, the closest maybe that we've come has, I think the AI has come up. Well, uh, it was on real housewives of Rhode Island. Let's not forget just recently. Uh, Brian, uh, cute and Rula saying that Joe Allen's evidence is AI. RIP Liz McGraw, by the way, RIP show. Uh, Also, we could even go back to 2021 or so on Shaz the Sunset when Mike Shoehead had been rage texting or doing something or another. And when they confronted him, he was like, these are spoof texts. These aren't even real texts. These are spoof texts. I don't know if you watched Shaz the Sunset. I did. I did. And how funny that now AI slop is the word we use.

26:38But back then it was spoof text.

26:40Ben Mandelker: It was spoof. It was a spoof text. The funniest concept. Spoof text. Everything was a spoof text. um so yeah so uh so gia's contemplating that maybe that also by the way the most judice response to an argument is i don't know maybe that was ai because i feel like what we says that a lot well i mean it's never their fault according to the court records or what they say is that it's never their fault but yeah it had to have been someone oh yeah and then gia says she could have ai'd all of it i was pregnant last week which was like question mark but then they literally show the ai photo of a very realistic pregnant gia yes exactly um so liam's like and this is a night out with the team drama tea gossip the usual so um there's a lot of stuff happening here because it's a party so a lot of people are talking etc so then early in the evening we see uh liam is saying how he likes ariana i would see how earlier in the evening ariana and liam are talking and ariana's like i've got two dogs and liam's like wait you've got two pups i volunteer at shelters every now and then i meet this guy and she goes oh i love the oh that's awesome and then she's like not impressed um but of course this guy has volunteered at shelters like i feel like everything thing he does is purely for these moments at the parties to say he's did he did something are you about to after this recording make me lose my crush for liam because now you're working on it well you are making a good i don't know i don't know why it takes like yeah of course you volunteer at shelters because you love animals but now i'm like oh is it just because you want to say to a hot girl that but i do appreciate that uh ariana is actually trying to break up with fucking Hudson because sorry I think he's a derp sorry he is a derp he's a big derp he's a big derp I do love his commitment to fortune uh fiendsters hairstyle I think that's great um shout out shout out uh by the way I just I think with your crush I think I'd just like you to like to see your crush transfer over to shy I feel like shy is much more crush worthy shy is really really cute um you know shy well actually I can admit why I have a problem at a crush because I tend to go for the guys who would have bullied me in high school in terms of crush and then my husband goes for like more nerdy vibes character actor vibes that's obviously what i am and so i think shy is like a is a little charactery sweet and i have um unprocessed trauma which is why i'm not crushing on him so if that's on me you have to go to liam so you think that liam would have beat in high school he no he would have been a a third camp which is he would have been nice to me yes i mean we would have done a production of um oklahoma together and then i would have uh confused his kindness to maybe him having a crush and then i would listen to the cast recording of the last five years and would weep thinking about liam and i's future when in reality he just thought i was the nice gay guy who helped him with his math homework and it turns out liam was just a girl who could say no and i was the gertie laughing away my solo my sad single life you're like i'm i'm the cow man you are the farmer the farmer and the cow man can only be friends and nothing more that's the song truly all this time we thought it was a song about unity but it's actually a about friend zones friends yeah uh that by the way that is such a amazing specific help because actually what i really see what i see liam is he went to i don't know i forget what school he said he went to but i see him going to dalton um yeah right in manhattan dalton or um all these kids went to the daltons or the professional school uh-huh you think you went to like la already a professional school for the for the children for the arts the arts of the children no because liam's parents didn't want liam to be famous but liam went to dalton but then he graduated from dalton graduated from bu or wherever and then said fuck you mom and dad i'm still gonna be on reality television and look at him now i'm gonna say he did even though we have full access to what his academic history is right i'm i'm still my my image of him is that he did um he did freshman he did freshman and sophomore year at dalton and then he transferred to either hotchkiss or choke wait why are you so up in the manhattan professional school how do you i only know it's the northeast okay the northeast i'm from i never knew i went to nyu where i'm from missouri so i didn't know any of this when i went to nyu i met people who went to those schools or became friends with them and i've learned since then it's it's a it's the next gen world it's the next gen world i'm like getting more and more specific he would take the merit parkway up the gym so um i see i see that but i think your call about him being in oklahoma is actually so accurate like i totally see him being the guy who was like the big man on campus in the drama section of the class and like he was the lead and everyone just wanted to be around he was the lead on stage he's the lead backstage like at the cast party afterwards like everyone wants to hang out with him and everything but like overall in terms of the entire class he's like not as cool as like the jocks but yeah he was but he can interface with them he can interface with them well because he runs track and so he knows a few of the athletes but he's a big fish in the small pond of theater which gives him the confidence to be able to not be devastated to be in the lunchroom.

32:45Ben Mandelker: Right, because there's always those big fish in the theater groups that were always talking about the shit that they do. They're always like, oh yeah, I volunteer. Oh yeah, I just saw Les Mis. I just saw whatever. And then gay guys like me would be like, what did you think of the Jean Valjean? And then he'd be nice to me and then i would do unspeakable things in the shower thinking about that conversation if people listening are like you guys have veered away from recapping and are just now starting to just go into like your childhood the answer is yes we are and and you know what you're welcome for hearing two gay guys talk about their trauma so uh back to the show um liam uh liam's talking to gia and she's announces that she's gonna freak out and uh he's like oh sorry so sometimes it's hard to come back to the recap because the snippets of conversation actually are so inconsequential

33:46sorry okay i need to sit down nothing okay um um so ariana is um she's showing hudson her she has

33:57Ben Mandelker: like a tattoo and she's like she's gonna be i guess she's gonna be taking some of it off she's gonna be doing some tattoo removal soon and Hudson is telling us that he thinks that he and Ariana are gonna wind up back together mainly because he is like the heir to a billionaire and Ariana's got Kim who's like probably saying like you better get with him you better get back with him this is your doubt we need this dowry I know this is like Kim Zolciak Bennett over there it's like truly yourself married isn't it wild though the ariana did say to hudson you can't get rid of red ink so when you meet your wife she's going to see that i'm still on there i to me that's like telling him that they're actually broken up broken up but i feel like deep down hudson definitely wants to get back with her but ariana i'm hopeful that she'll actually leave him behind for good i i hope so because i think that hudson's pivot towards charlie is really shitty like it's shitty it's stupid like charlie just wants your money it wants access to your money like you're just actually falling right into a very obvious trap and the fact that you have that bad judgment when you've had clear warning signs shows that you're not ready for you're not ready for the city you're not ready no you're not ready and to be young and wealthy and don't fuck up another generation of beer moons like like let's like if you can't have the judgment to like find a good guy friend that's not gonna take all your money for a stupid club a million dollars also how old is hudson these people are too young to be dealing with that level of that level of finances i think this is this is again and this actually maybe a better comparison than a bugsy movie that i've never scene is gossip girl where you had you know when they graduated high school the writers didn't really know what to do with them so you had like storylines where chuck bass was running a hotel and you're like but he's 20 but like that's kind of the the vibe i get from hudson is like a poorly written storyline on gossip girl right and then the uh re the thing that affirms that is how there's this like 1994 idea of all the men having ownership over the women and who they are allowed to talk to because uh hudson that that's something that i have found to be very backwards watching this as somebody who is not around too many straight couples these days they cut to hudson and liam together and then hudson going i'm gonna go into some boundaries here and then liam has to be like yo i'm not trying to have sex with your and then uh you're firefighting Yeah, I'm not a dick.

36:46I volunteer to save the Lake Georgian cats. But I think that it's the same thing with Georgia. There's all of a sudden like her boyfriend's not allowed to talk to Charlie too. I'm like, God forbid we're in a relationship with trust. None of these people trust their partners or ex-partners to live their own fucking lives.

37:09Ben Mandelker: I think it's a little different because in this situation, you have Liam who's just trying to, may I say the word, Mac on Ariana. Say that. And Hudson comes over and is like, bro, that's my girl. And it's like, you guys are broken up and he didn't have a preexisting relationship with you. So there's not really a bro code that's at play here. So you're overstepping. But I think it's okay for Georgia to be like, listen, what's his name? Prez? I think his name is Prez. right? Proz. It's not Proz, the rapper. She's dating Proz, guys. It's big news. Oh yeah. Proz. We're going to get to him. I forgot his name, but she's basically like, hey, don't talk to Charlie.

37:52Ben Mandelker: Don't get lured in because he's toxic. He's bad. And he's shitty to me. We are not doing this. It's like your obligation to me right now in the relationship that we're in. You can't do that. But I think the Hudson kind of being like, she's my lady and she's going to come back to me. She's eventually going to come back to me. No means. Yes. that's like not the vibe i like yeah don't love no means yes like y 'all broke up if she wants to get dick down by a volunteer firefighter then let her let it be someone who was on nickelodeon once do we know his credits by the way do we know what law and order and nickelodeon are the only things they've really said concretely and then he did not get cast in hita rivalry and yes do you Do you think that Liam had a lot of performative Knicks social media posts earlier in June, like I did?

38:43Ben Mandelker: Performative Knicks? Oh, like New York Knicks? New York Knicks. Yeah, it's the basketball team. No, thank you. I'm caught up now. There's this team. No, let's go back. Okay, the sport of basketball. You know what? Never mind. Greeks. You know what? um sweet i'm more curious about your relationship to performative posting about the knicks was that were you were you actually wasn't performative when i was um when i was in uh in high school i got really into basketball i got really into the knicks i was obsessed i watched every game like i listened to games on the radio i was i was fully in it i would go i would go to games and then they lost the championship in 1994.

39:28Ben Mandelker: And I was devastated because at that time, my dad's a lawyer, but he would often do work with City Hall. And if the Knicks had won, the whole ticker tape thing that we just saw on TV two weeks ago, that would have happened in 1994. And I was going to be able to go to the party that was going to celebrate the Knicks. I would have been able to meet all of my heroes. and then the Knicks, they lost. So I did not get to go and I was crushed. And the consolation was my dad was like, well, the gay games are happening and there's a reception at Gracie Mansion. So I went to a reception for the gay games in 1994 and I saw Greg Louganis there.

40:11Ben Mandelker: And I was like, this is fun, but I wanted to see the New York Knicks instead, like internally, but I didn't complain. But I was like, okay. Were you out at this point? no but i think that maybe my dad had an inkling but there are like to the gay games you know just an idea the gay games okay i mean like i just was happy to be around anyone that was famous let's be honest um and so uh but the point is so when the knicks won last month i was very happy because it was like as a child i loved the knicks so much and while i have fallen out of basketball a bit um i still have always rooted for the knicks i've always been happy for them so i did put up like posts in support of the knicks but i felt like i can imagine liam being all of a sudden super over the top about the knicks on his social media when he never was before that's what the point of this whole story was and you did a grateful circle and i want to say that i'm so happy for you and the knicks and i was genuinely happy to see how happy new yorkers were as it is one of the toughest places to live unless you are a dash or no ava's dad went bankrupt so it must be hard for him too but if you have a lot of money in new york it's very fun and easy to live there otherwise something as happy as the nicks winning can really turn your week around and i'm happy for you all ben i really am thank you and you know he probably had nicks stuff up and was just happy like the rest of us were but i'm just like not giving him an inch on this episode i'm getting myself entrenched and so now like everything is like going to be something i'm going to litigate No, I like your anger towards Liam.

41:39I know.

41:40Ben Mandelker: I don't know why I'm getting so angry. I think I'm feeling things. So, but anyway, regardless of how I feel about Liam, I do think he is entitled to be able to have a conversation with Ariana and Ariana is entitled to talk with him. And we don't need Hudson coming around saying like, oh, you can't talk to her, you know? So there was, and especially it's surprising. Well, I guess they also bring up a flashback to last year when Hudson also like put the kibosh on Charlie talking to Ariana but I guess at that point Hudson and Ariana were already we're together so it's made a little bit more sense you know flashback yeah yeah because yeah well again it's this ownership of like people not trusting their partners I think it's fully and I know it's probably what happens when you're in your early 20s but like like if your partner is going to cheat on you then you break up but you have to be in a relationship and trust that they won't.

42:35That's what a relationship is. Trust that they're not going to cheat on you.

42:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So then Shai's got to leave, guys. So he's saying goodbye to Ariana and he's like, you know, like maybe I'll maybe I'll talk to you later. And she's like, yeah, come on, bot. You guys see my new place. I've got organizers coming. So I mean, if that's not going to just get the masses at your doorstep, I don't know what. But he's like, wait, am I even allowed to talk to you right now? And Shai tells us Hudson's always been protective of Ariana. like last summer Hudson got upset with me for like texting Ariana and he was like if you want to talk with her you got to go through me which is like that's crazy by the way you got to go through me just fully insane and then the producer being like so wait did you stop texting her individually he's like I mean after you he said that I definitely stopped texting her as much individually which is crush worthy of shy because he is what respecting a boundary and that is so he is deserved of a crush but then he says i stopped texting her as much and immediately see him text her we're on our way just giving you the heads up shy puts his heart on his sleeve and she's just like thanks shy ariana's he loves from afar he loves from afar he also can't really stay still in his seat i noticed he's he moves around a lot in his interview he really needs to learn how to keep it together you know yeah um so uh but shy is excited because he says that ariana said she'd be bringing her sister tonight which is also funny because if we're saying things like gia's mom are we also going to put some respect on brielle's name not just hello the sister yeah but also when he said about riley i don't i didn't know who you were and then uh and when they do the flashback scene and shy is like yeah so riley's mom was on the real housewives of atlanta it's like do you not know a single famous person's name show some respect brielle is capital b real yeah just think of one of your favorite cheeses and one of your favorite magazines come together and make a beautiful young lady brielle oh wow well said thank you thank you it's the it's like the spirit of joe z and france's finest product dairy product um so so uh brooke starts talking to uh eva about her wiki feet and uh he's like your wiki feet is like insane she's like what is that a brand do they know that i'm not a liar and he's like yeah it's like insane it's like people like screenshot your feet and then just like post it it's like wow it's amazing and he goes oh my god it's you in pilates i i really can't breathe

45:23Ben Mandelker: she was like i'm dealing with my feet out i'm dealing with a fucking liar oh my god i just looked at gia gia has a lot this wiki feet thing is fully insane i cannot believe that and as someone who like lusts after men on the internet via a podcast i for whatever reason think the feet is going a little far but listen y 'all have your kinks feet girls and i support your truth but 4.99 for ariana's feet like i'm sure her feet are gorgeous but i've never feet don't feet aren't my thing feet aren't my thing i don't uh yeah feet are not i love a foot massage love but like um yeah i don't get the feet thing either i also don't know the difference between like a um a 5.0 i'm assuming five is the highest right right it sort of sounds like we're i hope it's not out of 10.

46:15jeez ariana she only got a five out of ten it's just i'm not if like if ariana's if any hot person's posting a photo and their feet happen happen to be in it my two fingers are not zooming in towards the feet first like that's yeah that's my truth.

46:32Ben Mandelker: I did just ask Google, what is the scale for Wikifeet? It says, Wikifeet uses a one to five star rating system to score celebrity feet calculated from user ratings and a proprietary algorithm designed to prevent result tampering. So I'm really I'm glad that this is being given the gravity that it demands. Yeah, wow. Proprietary. They really... Sharks. It's good to know that there was no tampering to get Ariana to that 4.99 rating. yeah we know that's a full legitimate 4.99 um but then when they go back to the bar with ariana and hudson and he is again trying to show that he owns her and like hold her hands please stop i don't want to hold hands i don't want to backtrack from this good for you ariana keep this derpy derp off of you it can spread okay we don't derp is like one of the most contagious diseases.

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49:20Ben Mandelker: So he's like, yeah, it's just very difficult for me to like not want to hold you and kiss you and touch you and be around you all the time. I'm like, well, that's fine, but you're not entitled to it. Like just because you want it doesn't mean you automatically get it. And she's like, but I wanted you to do that for like a year. And you wouldn't, you didn't want to do that. And you didn't want to touch me and you didn't want to kiss me. And you want to do all these things. It's just so frustrating. It makes me upset because it's like, now you want to do it. And she says that like, she gave an ultimatum last year.

49:47Ben Mandelker: She's like, you have one year to get your shit together. You know, like, cause she's like, I come home every day and you're always in the same spot every day. It was like, I was like, go to the gym. Like you eat shit, eat better, like feel better, do more things. And she's like, I realized I was trying to change someone that couldn't be changed, which I think she may be the first person on Bravo to realize that you can't change people because really these Bravo shows seem to be about people constantly trying to change people and failing over and over again. I agree. And you know what? It's giving emotional intelligence.

50:19And Ariana, I don't know if she has a good therapist. I don't know what happened for her to get to be this way, but that is a smart cookie. And then, of course, the opposite of her, Charlie walks in. He goes, sorry to interrupt. I'm going to slide. Is that what people say? I'm going to slide. Anywho, you good? Hudson, yeah, I'm straight.

50:39Ben Mandelker: I'm so glad you mentioned that because when he said that, I was also like, I'm going to slide. I don't know why. Is this? Of the chocolate variety? Is it electric? well now now you sound old but like electric cha-cha it's all very aged sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna start using i'm gonna slide now and see if i can hey fellow kids fellow students see if i can fit in with the young the youngins i got a slide i'm gonna go to my accountant um so yeah i'm sorry you were gonna say something else about this whole situation here with charlie no no well basically no i think um i think ariana is in a tough situation because she is trying to be broken up from her derp this can be kind of nice enough to charlie but also keep charlie away from the derp that she did once love and probably still loves a bit and then hudson goes i love you and then hugs her and they say bye it's like jesus christ um but can we talk about brielle and ariana's conversation because this nearly brought a tear to my eye when ariana or when ariana's like i don't know how to handle this situation and brielle's like i know you're overwhelmed i understand and then when ariana says i've like literally loved you so long and i just feel like a bitch because i'm just like no please stop judging me and then brielle for her to say let me tell you something Ariel let me tell you something you're never a bitch for choosing you you made the right call for the first time in your entire fucking life you chose Ariana you're never fucking chosen you Ariana stick with you it's like giving Academy award winning monologue with full on orchestra underneath and it made me almost teary eyed to think about these two sisters what they've been through and again how much like sense they're saying when they're talking about the derp yeah like if I casted this movie it'd be 1987 87 and it was like jamie gertz talking to ali sheedy and i just feel like it was a beautiful moment and i just can't believe how well these two daughters are doing after they like make it out of the the zolciak chaos machine and well and then speaking of their machine then over to the judice machine where then g is all of a sudden like this is how i feel like with my sister i'm gonna cry it's like yeah because you've all what trauma bonded that's called you've all seen war in your homes i know truly and then ariana's like and you know what i want for my birthday to not say his name which by the way that's a great line that could be a trailer for this is like now i'm getting vibes of like those movies that came out around what was it like um uh what was that movie with like john bon jovi and kathleen turner was there that wasn't there was a movie like that wasn't there i have to watch whatever that dirty dancing 12.

53:38there was some there was like a string

53:41Ben Mandelker: of like 90s there was like a there's a string of like really like bad rom-coms that was it was like under the tuscan sun yeah hope floats all these things but i could have sworn there was one with kathleen turner and john bon jovi sometimes the casting directors in retrospect you say you know what you were up to something really great there yeah it's like a gay mad lib was was there a movie with john bon jovi and kathleen turner and yes it was called moonlight and valentino oh the the classic moonlight in valentino and valentine light and valentino in the movie turner plays alberta one of the eccentric friends supporting a recently widowed woman while john bon jovi appears as a handsome house painter which is you know that is good casting that it's elizabeth perkins gwyneth paltrow kathleen turner and whoopi goldberg oh my god wait this is like of my dreams whoopie is like my number one um and i'm gonna be watching this movie and reporting back thank you for that the the movie poster is a small picture it's a small picture of elizabeth perkins gwyneth paltrow kathleen turner and whoopie goldberg and then a very large presentation of four pairs the fruit the fruit and do we do we surmise that Jan van Jovi is painting these pairs.

55:15This is,

55:16Ben Mandelker: he is a painter. He's like a house painter, but he actually secretly yearns to be a painter painter. Maybe that's still painter. That's still, yeah, still life. They're all, they're all stagnant and it's about going from still life to like life. And well done. Beautiful. I can't wait to see this movie someday. Um, okay. So pivoting out of that. Why were we even talking? Brielle, Brielle and Ariana, this great moments, great lines here. And so Ariana is saying, I'm so tired of talking about him. I just want to go home. So now it's a new day. And we are seeing text messages. Liam is texting Brooks and he's like, how are you feeling this morning, cowboy?

55:55Ben Mandelker: And he's like, I want to die. I hate whiskey. He's like, yeah, thanks for having us. Kendall and Jackson liked you guys a lot. So Liam has these two friends that I feel like he's trying to bring on to the show, but they're not allowing them on the show because Liam himself is new. So they're like bridging maybe like next season, Kendall, Kendall and Jackson get to get to come on the show. Uh, but Jackson has a big update, which is, he says, my family has a house in Martha's vineyard and that's where I like learned how to swim. But now it's just full of great white sharks. And then talk about the post-production team.

56:28They do a full graphic of Brooks looking at his shark tracker. It was, I I'll be honest with you. When my edible, when my 10 milligram edible had hit by this point i was like wait brooks has a shark tracker because this new guy a little bit went over my head if i'm being honest because last season brooks had

56:48Ben Mandelker: a shark tracker and so this is like a this is a callback to a recurring joke that wasn't really that i see okay well yeah it really was a quick shark shark passover moment because then um brooks then i do like this is like the really good housewife drama which is brooks texting ariana wait before i forgot apparently last night hudson told liam that you're his girl and to not furb with you or something ariana what the fuck and then we get to touch in on this with ariana and geo which is i think delicious yeah we want we head over to ariana's apartment and she's offering some chicken sausage to gia i'm assuming gia spent the night because we know she lives uh in jersey she moved closer to the city but she's still like there was no way she was taking that path train back last night she's not crossing state lines but then when she says to ariana about the chicken sausage no my stomach's concaving i'm like what is that code for because in my house it could be D.A.R.E.

57:59or something else but then Gia goes and that coffee didn't do anything for me I'm like so is it constipation

58:07Ben Mandelker: anyhow we don't need to know we want to know specifically what Gia's going through this morning we want to know what sort of sounds we should prepare to hear what gastro sounds are we missing out on is something that as a Jew I need to get clued into. But then... Do you need ginger ale or do you need toast? Do you need ginger ale or do you need the brat diet? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the brat diet. I love the brat diet. I love remembering what the brat diet is. Bread, rice, applesauce. No, bananas. Bananas, rice, applesauce toast. Yeah. It's a great diet. But love a ginger ale myself. and i also i also love how gia is so comfortable on the camera because a different part of me would have thought that gia going i had anxiety this morning because of ava dash would have been just for the show but no gia actually is only going to say what she's actually pissed about and um that is why this cast is actually good because they actually hate each other yeah gia's like you know ava she just wants her name cleared because she's nervous about her image like she fucking killed my vibe last night i love how that killed geo's vibe that stupid conversation and ariana's like but if it makes you feel any better we can talk about hudson so anyway let's talk about hudson just completely moves off of what she was trying to talk about she's like she's like yeah he was a lot last night yeah brooks told me that that hudson went up to liam and like and said like by the way ariana's my girl so like if you want to be cool with me i suggest that you don't do this whatever and she's like i'm fucking over it so now we go over to liam who of course has an espresso machine in his apartment uh i just picture him making me my espresso when i wake up i'm like i'm in the covers but it's touching it it's exactly it's covering my nipples because i want to be decent don't look at my goodies and then liam goes i'm just going straight espresso So this is this.

1:00:15Oh, I will say this is a second. I will say last night was crazy. It was fucking nuts. And then Liam is texting Kendall, who again, new girl that we are going to get to know allegedly. Hey, guys. We got Linden's at two.

1:00:35Which then Liam says, I'm Brooks's friend, but I'm new to hanging out with all these people. So I was just trying to get the lay of the land. this feels like a sloppy way to it to introduce these new people am i right i think you know i

1:00:47Ben Mandelker: think he's just saying like his whole thing is um like i i i guess i guess maybe are they setting up like the reason why i'm not hanging out with other cast members right now is because i don't know anyone i'm not really sure why he said it to be honest yeah but um i just want to circle back to say that you know that he talks about espresso a lot you know he's like oh actually the best espresso is actually like a blend of sumatran and um ethiopian it's actually really great i can actually do my own espresso i actually know how to do the tamp yeah i'm just saying you know that that's a nuance to the um not only do i know that ben but i know that he also talks about beer that way and that does again make me away from my crush a little more so you're doing you're doing well We know he talks about espresso with authority.

1:01:40Ben Mandelker: And craft beer and orange wine and all of that. Orange wine. Definitely orange wine. And he also probably talks specifically about, I feel like he probably talks about Asian food as well. With an authority that makes you think, Huh, what makes you think you have the smarts or the connection to this culture? Yes. he's like oh you know what i love i love i love a kimchi pancake you know and everyone's like wow i i think by the way i'm starting to veer into describing myself because i did definitely i definitely was a judge for the southwest regional barista competition and i definitely did that purely so that way i could say to people i was a judge at the southwest regional barista competition that was hey and look at you now saying it on the pod and you know what dreams come true i'm liam i'm liam um so uh he's gonna hang out with kendall and jackson which i feel like when kendall and jackson are together they sound like a winery kendall and jackson right doesn't kendall jackson sound like a wine you would get at like a 9.99 price point oh yeah i can see the label and guess what i am buying it straight from the fridge because i don't know why i am bringing it as a gift i'm like here's some kendall jackson i hear it's really great and i also hear it's 9.99 which is why i purchased it it's like that blue uh prosecco that people always bring to everything um you all know the bottle what's that like i forget what the name of that brand is um so uh they're gonna go meet now uh for for some sort of uh brunch and we see liam on his motorcycle and of course.

1:03:23Ben Mandelker: I might as well just say he's riding his of course. Yep. Because he's on a motorcycle and he meets up with Jackson and Kendall and he says, yeah, me and Jackson, we've been in the same school since sixth grade and Kendall's my longest girlfriend. Who is a girl? Fred, who's a girl? We're not dating. And we've seen each chapter of everyone's life evolve. Like, for instance, when Jackson first learned how to swim and now we can't swim because of sharks. I've seen all of it. I've seen every stage of his development. i have nothing to add because i don't know these people yeah they are just like they're like nice supporting people and liam is like um he's saying how like hudson came up to him and was like here's some ground rules here's some boundaries and he's like bro i'm not on love island like i'm just here to like make some friends hang out do my thing as a volunteer firefighter slash animal uh volunteer slash espresso enthusiast would slash someone who's and then and then kendall's like i mean to be fair dating someone for three years over 10 years is really intense which by the way she'll actually says seven years a long time but then when ariana describes it they said they dated for three years over 10 years i'm like so that means you took you dated every other month how does that work yeah and then here comes liam with his line this is a very rehearsed line where he says you know i'm not dating anybody but i've lived in new york my whole life which means i've dated in new york my whole life and dating in new york is a drug addiction because no matter how bad you know it is you just keep on doing it unless you're in lake george in which case you're dating in Lake George.

1:05:04Ben Mandelker: Different kind of addiction. I thought his addiction, dating in New York, was he needs attention constantly, and so he gets a girl wrapped up in his little finger, and then when she's obsessed with him, he drives away on his motorcycle, finds the next girl, gets her obsessed with him, and then keeps it moving, and now you're... And he'll be single at 50 doing the same thing. But again, I actually... i thought this i i you know i just yes and you i'm sorry you're really bad no don't feel bad i just like i when he said i'm not on love island i was like god he's hilarious i thought it was when i was watching it i'm like damn this guy's charming and now it goes to show you how much i want ben manler to like me i'm like yeah you're right fuck this guy yeah fuck him i don't dislike him i just dislike the pretenses that i feel like he's putting before us i just i want it's like it's like i want to clear that away i want to clear that away and then i can like him purely you know well then when the producer the producer goes so do you have like a particular like like type and then he goes so quickly brunettes from atlanta i'm sorry that's a bit of a big dick energy thing to say like i like that he has his eyes set uh on ariana and maybe it's because i like that he is carving out a space for himself on this show i think it's a smart move as a reality show person.

1:06:34Ben Mandelker: He's also setting himself up for a rivalry with Shy because Shy has also expressed interest in Ariana. So that's good too. Very good. And Liam explains that he was like sitting on a stool and Hudson was just like standing up and he's like, and he wants to like sit on the stool and he's like looking for a napkin and like, he's like looking for a napkin and there's like a little bit of water on, on the stool. So I grabbed a bar napkin and I wiped it off and he's like, thanks man. And he goes, these pants are$5 ,000. And I was like, cool. Now this, I like this messy little anecdote from Liam. Like, give me more of this.

1:07:06Ben Mandelker: Give me a random specific thing that happened that ends with him shading someone else on the cast. And shading Hudson for being like a derpy rich kid who has to brag about his$5 ,000 pants. When I make my millions, I will not be wearing$5 ,000 pants. Sorry. And I'm not going to tell someone about it either if I do. it's called quiet luxury hello and i also was happy that liam took us on this journey about sitting on a stool looking for a napkin finding a map napkin and then there was some water and then using the napkin to clean up the water i was glad that that actually led to a shady payoff because i was worried that we were going on a journey that was gonna really just sort of end where it started which is a dry stool you know my eyes did start to glaze when i heard about napkins but it it i snapped too when i heard about the past so ariana's saying um she started talking about how uh hudson will always have a special place but she just gets nervous with him and and charlie and how charlie's was like started to reach out to hudson throughout the summer and they would like talk on the phone for like for an hour and hudson be like like you know this guy's fucking crazy like shut up this guy but then like charlie asked like hudson to invest in a club and hudson was like what that's crazy no this guy's fucking this guy's a loser but then all of a sudden now that they're broken up suddenly hudson's hanging out with charlie which surprise surprise charlie keeps stealing all these girls guys which is sort of queer coded in a way i guess but not there is something there is something i don't know like something about the way that charlie has cozied up to omar and to hudson i mean admittedly both these guys i don't think omar has money though i think hudson has money omar is just like a guy in a tie who is like acts like he's around money but i'm not sure charlie just has daddy issues well get in line because then i feel like back yeah no you go that was well i was just i was just gonna surmise that omar has the plan for the scam and charlie is the connector and hudson is the money right yeah oh yeah that makes sense which by the way i read a little bit about charlie's scandal from last year and it is no bueno like i didn't like did you read about what they actually did to that guy from italy oh yeah that guy was like in that house being actively tortured weren't like electrocuting him yes and then he escaped and then found a police officer and then the guy got arrested and then charlie's in the background i'm like i understand like why these why ariana is telling hudson not to get wrapped up because like listen even if he was not indicted but he was just witnessing the torture yeah i don't like that if you're like i think what they were saying about that torture house was that like the guy was tied up to a bed in some room but like the house was being used for parties and people were coming through and i wonder if like like charlie was staying over or whatever but like if you're hanging out if you're going to parties held by the same douchebags that are torturing someone upstairs yeah it's a bad bad bad judgment and i like that when i think this is what you're about to say when ariana's kind of like what's going on like i don't understand like all of a sudden like hudson and charlie are like best friends and we get a flashback to kim telling hudson like your target i don't know if it's all the diamonds but your target and she she it is not her first rodeo she has uh either done the taking advantage of or been taken advantage of for her cash which again i love i love the peaks into our old housewives not old people but past housewives on this show i know well do you ever wonder uh want to get a little insight into charlie's life because he can tell us a little bit about his uh his experience with you know what i think we should dive into the life of charlie charlie and the scamming factory my relationship he's like my relationship with nightlife in new york is definitely like an intimate one shut the fuck up first of all i grew up here going out from a young age and we were really young we would get a group of us i don't know we'd be like 15 years old they wouldn't care about our ideas and i would ids and i would drink like a malibu and orange juice that's the only thing that i knew to drink and i get really drunk and then i would try to finger a girl but then i didn't know how to do it and then i would go home so yeah i was clubbing it's like i do think they didn't care about his ideas either not just ideas but also ideas ideas nor id and then we all of a sudden have that meeting with him and omar which is i again eyes glaze and i hear two straight men saying like exactly

1:12:09Ben Mandelker: yeah it's um like they're talking about like setting up some sort of like bar or club or whatever and charlie's talking about how he's connected uh omar to some all these people they're testing waters out he's connecting them to like his friends who have bars and clubs um etc etc etc and then charlie's like just to address like the elephant in my life which is georgia she's like very convinced that we're stealing this idea from her and then we see georgia she's like i have heard that they're opening a club together and they are taking my idea the same creative the same everything and neither of them came to me and told me i had to find this out through the gay grapevine which by the way this is a very sad day for the gay grapevine where like charlie and omar news has to like circulate when there's other fine icons that could be discussed yeah i'm sure that gay grapevine has a lot better juice to squeeze than some guy named omar starting some stupid club but what was the george's actual idea that she is saying was stolen the like bowling element club yeah so she wanted to name something club club and she wanted it was going to be a brutalist bowling alley and but it would be a club club and you would come in and you would bowl but it'd be like hard surfaces and things like that um so i'll say i'm gonna say this it's not a new concept uh like the the hipster bowling alley thing has been around for quite a while but it was her little baby and she's just as mad she's just mad because she was gonna do a club with omar and now he's doing a club with charlie and quite frankly i think she has every right to be mad oh yeah but then charlie is like it's not a fucking bowling alley has absolutely nothing to do with anything she delusionally thinks that she has creative ownership over it and then omar she's just very upset that we're friends somehow or at least that we met and then it's like no seriously it's like serious silver lining which i don't think makes any sense i don't think there's any silver happening between these two like no it's not like they have anything lining yeah tinfoil the at the very best um but then omar does give good advice he says stay in your own lane and not in my lane and that's all you know and then charlie goes god bless i mean for for people talking about not building a bowling alley there's certainly a lot of talk about lanes yeah so we're gonna hit a turkey

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