#3444 (REWIND) S18E01 Bottled Up

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3:00Ronnie Karam: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, the podcast for all that crap we love to discuss on Yield Braves. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben. Hi, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How are you? I'm so good. This is a very special day for us here at Crappens because it is the beginning of season 18. So here we go. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. September 7th, 2023. And we are at the reunion, last year's reunion. Now, look, we all knew something was really wrong with Shannon at last year's reunion, mostly because of her hair. her hair was um a disaster her look was it that her curly headed the clips were raw the

3:42Ben Mandelker: sunflower yeah it was it was all it was she looked like a big piece of corn you know like she's wearing that yellow her hair was up everything was everything was wrong i'm surprised pamela did not get fired after that after that travesty in fact pamela not only did not get fired she actually wound up coming as shannon's plus one to the party today so pamela has is

4:03Ronnie Karam: really working her way up the ladder here i think if anybody needs to consider rehab right now it's pamela because pamela is clearly working under the influence the clips were not clipping today either and listen i'm not a hair i literally do not care about people's hair or clothes that's not no i'm not that kind of gay i'm not that shallow to even care so i'm not saying like oh my god it's so tacky i'm saying literally the clips are like taped to the back of her head like what are You can visibly see them.

4:31Ben Mandelker: They literally look like the slides that pop out of an airplane in a water landing. Okay. It was like, what is happening under that hair?

4:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Pamela. And I really like Pamela because she looks like old school Alexis Bellino, doesn't she? She came back looking like Alexis Bellino, which is weird. I feel like this show is bullying Shannon on every front. There, I said it. Everyone is going to get so mad about Shannon's DUI. You have the right to be. DUIs are disgusting she deserves everything she's going to get from the audience I don't care stop bullying Shannon okay I'm not saying I don't care about her DUI I'm just saying it's not an excuse to bully the poor woman let's but by the way I was about to say leave Shannon alone no don't leave Shannon alone because you guys bullying Shannon is going to lead to the best Shannon season we've ever had so keep it up yeah but I was gonna say that Pamela to me looks

5:21Ben Mandelker: like Alexis Bellino meets Aaron Litchie or whatever her how do you say is it Litchie Litchie whatever from real housewives of new york litchie i always thought it was lache but i think you're right it is litchie and nick lache there's some nick lache in there um yeah this was a savage episode because i feel like i've just gotten so used to these shows where someone gets a dy and everyone gathers around and it's like you need our support right now we're gonna get you through it this they were like oh her they were all like her she got a dy i was like this is kind of hilarious. So we see Shannon at the reunion and Shannon doing the usual stuff like, um, do I go out and drink sometimes?

6:00Ben Mandelker: Yes. Like for you to say that I need rehab for you to say that I'm calling people every single night. Hold on one second. I hear that it's about 11 PM in Paris right now. I'm just going to call my friend. They are saying that I need rehab right now. Can you believe it? They are saying, okay. All right. All right, ma 'am Marie Claire. All I'm here to say that I can, I can, breathalize, breathalize.

6:26Ronnie Karam: I'm breathalizing right now because I'm so offended at you saying that I need to breathalize. And Sheena's like, come on, Sheena. So then we see 10 days after the reunion. I did not remember that the reunion was all about calling out Shanna for being an alcoholic. I didn't remember that. And watching it back, I was like, oh, my God, this is so awkward. And then Heather getting that sad look on her face. Like, you know, the Heather nod, the black eyed Heather nod where she's like, Shannon, no one said it was every single night, Shannon. And I was like, oh, no, Heather's doing the I feel sorry for you and your poor.

7:03Ronnie Karam: Like, oh, she's giving her the double look. You know, I felt so bad for Shannon.

7:08Ben Mandelker: And it gets so Shannon to be there on the sofa with her crazy hair and that big yellow dress to be like, I don't need a breathalyzer. I mean, DUIs. I would never get a DUI. More like a DYI because I am going to learn how to make fresh lemonade out of my lemons because of you bitches.

7:29Ronnie Karam: I have been doing everything myself. I've been doing yourself it for so long. Raising three daughters who are now college. Why is anybody failing for that? Can I get a drink, please? So, um, cream cheese and salmon by myself for years now. I do everything by myself except ship my products for that. I use ship station, which I love very, very much.

7:55Ben Mandelker: DIY do it yourself. That is a perfect way to describe my entire relationship with John Jansen. In fact, it was just me in that relationship. As far as I could tell.

8:04Ronnie Karam: So a reporter comes on the screen and it's like Shannon Bedore drove her car into a home. and then decided to leave which i like the turn of phrase like and then she made the decision

8:17Ben Mandelker: to leave the home these headlines they show headlines you know she's arrested do you why you hit and run here's what we know blah blah blah not they really didn't they should have put up some other headlines that were like uh was found uh you know 50 yards from her car walking her dog cleaning she was just out walking archie the entire time because that's my favorite part

8:38Ronnie Karam: That was the best part of the story. And they really do need, I feel like there's enough Housewives news that they need to have a gay on the scene for whenever there's a Housewives scene. Because this just isn't cutting it. This lady's like, look at this house. I mean, this house, this is where she hit the house. And then she just shows like a sad little brick that has fallen off the house. No, you need a gay to be over there like, that bitch hit this house right here. I'm going to ask the house how it feels. House, you got hit. You look stupid. How do you feel about it? The house is crying, you guys.

9:07Ronnie Karam: The house cannot even talk. House, I need you to talk more. A month more house. Y 'all, this house is a bitch. So we're going to have to go to the commercial break until we can find a talking house. In the meantime, Shanna was walking her stupid dog over there and acting like the dog just had to pee. Can we let the woman walk her dog? I mean, seriously. Here's what I have to say. Not guilty. Thanks for coming to the news, y 'all.

9:30Ben Mandelker: I love that. I would totally be down for that. Well, maybe, I mean, there is, we do know at least one unemployed news reporter in Orange County, but I don't think that Shannon wants to hear any reports filed by her, if you know what I'm saying. This is Alexis Bolino reporting for Fox News 6. There was a car that hit this house, but the news just came in. It was driven by an old slut. So, you know, we have to consider that with the authorities. Back to you, Phil.

9:59Ronnie Karam: um this house has been hidden orange county it's a broken house but it's not more broken up than shannon p door is with john jansen who is now my man bitch so

10:12Ben Mandelker: johnny jay so now now we have um we see shannon talking to heather about it because john said to me you're a drunken idiot so i got in the car and i i lost control and i was like So you were acting like a drunk idiot, perhaps. Yeah. The best way to prove people that you're not a drunk idiot is to drunkenly get in the car and drive into a house.

10:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So five months later, and then, of course, it's Emily and Shannon. Oh, no, I thought it was going to be Emily and Gina. Sorry. So Emily and Shannon are having lunch. And Emily's like, how do you feel? Emily loves getting in lawyer mode and then grilling people on the stand. And every time she does it, they're already confessing. Like, Emily has the easiest lawyer job ever. She's never even gotten anything out of anybody because she just goes after people who are already confessing.

10:59Ben Mandelker: And then she uses it against them the rest of the season. So how do you feel? And she's like, well, I am continuing to work on myself. I'm just making a lot of very, very poor decisions. Can I get that tequila, please?

11:11Ronnie Karam: Thank you so much. Thank you. If I would get a decent amount of support from David B. Dorr, I might be making richer decisions. But unfortunately, I'm making very poor, poor decisions because I'm left all alone to raise three girls. And Emily's like, oh, so do you drink? Do you drink? Listen, yes, of course she drinks. It's called taking your medicine. Okay. And Shannon's like, wow, I'm basically a two-person max drink. I'm a two-person max drink right now.

11:45Ben Mandelker: I, I, listen, I drink two drinks per day max. Now, are they tiki bowls? Perhaps. Are they straight vodka? Perhaps. But it's still just two drinks.

11:57Ronnie Karam: I have two drinks every time I turn on the television channel max right now. And it's very, it's working out very, very well for me.

12:09Ben Mandelker: Is that the HBO sound? It's called max now. It's not TV. It's drink your Macs now, B.O.

12:19Ben Mandelker: That doesn't make sense. It makes sense to me.

12:23Ronnie Karam: So then we see Tamara and Heather talking. And Tamara's like, do you think she has an alcohol problem? Do you? And Heather's like, I do. I do. Let me nod my head with very black eyes. I do.

12:35Ben Mandelker: I do. I do. Are we talking about Shannon or are we talking about Gretchen Rossi? Because they're both bitches to me. So then we cut back to Emily and Chad and Emily is like, do you ever feel like choosing sobriety is maybe the best thing for you? Well, I mean, I mean, I don't I don't drink that often. I mean, I mean, I mean, two drinks a day is I mean, that's barely I mean, that's that's like barely drinking very much at all. I mean, do you know how many hours go by between the second drink and then the first drink of the next day? It's barely anything at all.

13:05Ronnie Karam: and then we see Gina in a chef's hat and she's like I don't drink anymore and she's like 20 years ahead of me and I looked at what I looked like and I was like I didn't fucking like it and so I stopped drinking but she's still drinking

13:19Ben Mandelker: I have a lot of things to say about Gina this episode but we'll get to that but Gina is on my last nerve already

13:26Ronnie Karam: Gina you know everyone's like oh my god Gina really has something to say to Shannon because Shannon said so much to Gina when Gina got blah blah no she didn't she called her drunk driver attorney and saved gina's ass now did she hold that over gina's head for eternity yes but gina didn't do the same thing and help shannon in any way that now gina can get revenge like what's she gonna get revenge on help shannon

13:50Ben Mandelker: and like keep her out of jail gina takes and takes and takes and she does not give anything back and that's gonna be a theme for the rest of this episode you will see so now uh the ladies are all having dinner and shanks every day i wake that i wake up i just i think about what happened i i think about how i could have just said i had a three drink a day max and i wouldn't be held accountable for that but if i said two amazon cape it's like people are gonna see to look for that third drink i should have said three days max i think about that every day when i wake up yeah

14:21Ronnie Karam: every day i think i wake up and i think about what happened and tamra goes is that after you have a drink. And then we go to and then Shannon whips her head around and looks at her and Shannon's like, I am done with people saying I'm the drunk that needs help because I'm not. I'm not. I had a really bad night. I just, I can't talk about this right now. Oh, my tear actually tastes like absolute. That's crazy. I want to have that happen. It's actually delicious. Can I have an olive?

14:51Ben Mandelker: I can't do it. I can't sit here. I got to walk out. I got to walk out. Now, for the record, I would have driven out, but, you know, I don't really have a license right now, so I'm going to walk out.

15:01Ronnie Karam: I'm going to walk out because that's how I get everywhere at the moment. So the upbeat music is playing and, you know, it's a Trixie classic. Excuse me, bending knee. Don't you know I'm royalty? And then it's Emily's house. Yeah. Guys, let's save our music for deserving people. okay i when when emily comes on screen all i really want to hear is hi i'm teddy hi i'm teddy

15:30Ben Mandelker: hi i'm teddy we're seeing other stuff we go over to um jen's yoga class and she's like all right everyone thank you so much like you have 10 seconds and then we move to a forearm plank so thank you so much for getting to this pose thank you so much and check us if i ever go to a yoga class and someone's yelling out like that i would i would very quietly be very angry but of course i wouldn't say anything because that's

15:54Ronnie Karam: is not my nature um shannon's being wacky shannon so she's not bothered at all ben she's looking great she's feeling great she has a revenge body her well not her revenge clips in her hair but

16:07Ben Mandelker: she's against the house okay yeah revenge against the house well that house crashed into my car

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18:50Ronnie Karam: So then we go to Heather's new house in Beverly Hills because it's a Heather storyline and Heather's only storylines are houses. People have been that way since her first season and it's not going to change. So she's with Terry and she's like, did you see that a house that just sold in Bel Air with our same exact view for 188 million? Come on, it had a helipad. We need a house with a helipad.

19:14Ben Mandelker: He's like, oh, it's like a car. And it's like, and they had a car museum. All of the things. We're going to get a car museum and a helipad. And we're just going to show it to Gina and make her cry while she looks for her new downsized two bedroom house.

19:29Ronnie Karam: Don't you know I'm royalty? So now we're at Gina's house with her kids making dinner. She's like, let's do the meatballs first. Listen, why do you have to be careful with the meat? I still think Gina's faking an accent. She's like from Ohio somewhere. I just don't. Listen, I'm educated enough. And I know she's not Jersey. She's Long Island, right? Yeah, Long Island. I'm familiar enough with that accent. I was on the East Coast for like a decade. So I know the accent. And I just feel like she's not speaking it right. I feel like she's just a liar. She's undercover. There's something fishy with Gina.

20:04Ronnie Karam: You know what? I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't bore you.

20:12Ben Mandelker: So now, yeah, she's teaching the kids how to make meatballs and telling them about salmonella and the dangers of raw meat. So it's a typical Gina scene. And then we go over to Tamara in bed with Eddie. He has those big leg compression things that go around your legs. Like those big, I don't even know what you call them. They're just things.

20:34Ronnie Karam: I don't know what they are either. But I feel like Eddie is just a perfect example of somebody who's had too much protein powder and just works out too much. He's just one big overly, you know like when people get too muscular and then their muscles turn lumpy? Like lumpy muscle. He's just like a lumpy muscle.

20:53Ben Mandelker: He's like post-muscle. you know like that that phase in his life is over where he's gaining muscle it's now just sort of turning arnold schwarzenegger-y you know you know when dogs get old like bueller's old he's

21:06Ronnie Karam: an old man now i love you bueller i love you i'm not old shaming you but dogs get old and they get like lumps on them all over like little and they're like little deposits of things um that's i feel

21:17Ben Mandelker: like that's what eddie muscle is like is that too dark i miss bueller oh bules either way uh tamra is straddling eddie and she's like oh look it's a disposable cock ring bitch he's like why am i getting lucky tonight i was expecting sandy and her boyfriend to come in on skateboards like hey kids we just fucked downstairs yeah we're wild and wacky seniors hey tam tam did you find my

21:42Ronnie Karam: disposable cock ring anywhere? Probably over in the casket.

21:48Ben Mandelker: Mom, get out of here, bitch.

21:53Ronnie Karam: So, um, then we go to some, you know, just other scenes around town. So Jen is walking into Shred's gym, and she's meeting Tamara, and Tamara's already working out. She goes, oh my god, I'm glad we're here together. I hope my armpits didn't smell.

22:10Ben Mandelker: They don't, but thank you so much for that warning. how's everything been good just busy as hell doing nothing match like oh yeah like what is tamra busy with literally she does nothing except for being on the traders so she goes yeah we're splitting our time now between big bears and orange county match and so apparently they have a house up there now and um that's like i guess she's i guess it's tamra's version of being heather dubrow Yes. Yes. Heather just know.

22:38Ronnie Karam: So Jen's like, wow, that house is like amazing. Thank you so much for showing me pictures of your house. I mean, what a beautiful house, Tamara. What a beautiful house. And she tells us, Tamara and I, I think we're moving past everything that's happened to us. You know, Tamara trying to ruin my relationship and my life and basically everything about me. Basically how Tamara just got me on the show and then dragged me through the mud and tried to ruin me and then made me take a colonic on national television. and maybe we'll get past that i don't know thank you for asking though producers thank you thank

23:08Ben Mandelker: you so much i see her who she is which is a total not her and so i'm just keeping it light and easy and exactly where i want to keep it with tamra so then emily comes in she's like

23:19Ronnie Karam: i can't even bend down me and shane we're just getting so sexy right now don't even ask and she

23:25Ben Mandelker: talks about like her journey over the past year she's lost 40 pounds from ozempic and liposuction and going to the gym because she wants to keep it off. And that's her storyline is that she lost weight.

23:39Ronnie Karam: Well, congratulations on saying Ozempic and admitting it because that's very rare on these shows. So congrats. I give you props for that.

23:49Ben Mandelker: So then - But by the way, she says that one of the reasons why she's also going to the gym is because it's better than raging at Shane all over the house. I'm like, no, I think I actually would like to see you rage at Shane. and that's content I would be looking forward to.

24:03Ronnie Karam: It's more entertaining for us. I mean, if Raging at Shane burns calories, let's all fucking do it. I mean, finally someone will have a successful gym in the OC. Just go scream at Shane, you know?

24:14Ben Mandelker: Yeah, works for me. So now we go, we wind up at Shannon's new rental and the girls are all there and they're sitting down with some chicken salad, et cetera. She goes, Carl, I have to tell you, this is a huge deal for me to have Diet Coke in this house, But I'm trying to be a cool mom now Because I guess, you know, you make one D-Y And suddenly your kids use it against you To advance their Diet Coke agenda

24:43Ronnie Karam: Apparently I had a little absolute and great goose in my system at the same time So my kids are allowed to have aspartame

24:50Ben Mandelker: I thought my biggest failure was driving drunkenly into a house But apparently my biggest failure was raising children who enjoy Diet Coke So, learn a lot, learn a lot, you'll be

24:59Ronnie Karam: am i going to be a coke hero or a coke zero that's up to you kids so um the kids are so old it's totally weird i don't like it um please age backwards like everybody else on this show and um shannon's like well you're on your own now if you want to die of um you know pancreatic you know gingeritis from this diet coke enjoy that okay so you're on your own i can't stop you Stella, are you kidding me? And Stella's walking with a thing of laundry. And she's like, what? I leave tomorrow, so I have to do my laundry. She's like, I just did the laundry, Stella. Diet Coke made you leak all over everything that I did.

25:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah, but mom, you were drunk and you dumped all the laundry on a house. Well, I have a tendency to gravitate towards houses when I'm drinking. And it's not my fault. It's just the way I was built.

25:55Ronnie Karam: It's just that I was doing laundry and John Jansen called me a stupid drunk face and I started the laundry on fire. It's John's fault. Ultimately, it's John's fault.

26:06Ben Mandelker: Well, America, I am an empty nester. I have recently purchased all seven seasons on DVD and have been watching them as a marathon ever since this DUI. I have to say, Harry is a hero and an icon. But besides that, my children have moved out.

26:23Ronnie Karam: I'm no longer driving. Now I'm leaving my car in park overall. I have started calling Archie Dreyfus, and I'm turning over a new leaf.

26:34Ben Mandelker: I leave my door unlocked in the hope that Joe Suzu will come through one day and turn something out of my fridge.

26:40Ronnie Karam: Well, I'm an empty nester, and so now I have moved to a rental in Corona Del Mar. It's three bedrooms, and I can walk to the beach every day. I just stand there and watch blonde sluts walk back and forth. Imagine them holding hands with David Bredore. It's old habits diehard.

26:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I do like to sit at my window and just look at the waves and the people go by and go, slut! Slut! And then I walk to the beach because, again, I can't drive to the beach. I just walk.

27:11Ronnie Karam: I'm actually so sad for Shannon because she loved her boathouse. Well, it wasn't her boathouse. That was John's boathouse. No, no, that was John's little house by the water. Oh, you meant the one that – She had like a nautical farmhouse, remember? She had like a farmhouse, but it was like nautical theme.

27:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Yes, her nautical with the oven that was out of the way.

27:33Ronnie Karam: Yes. It wasn't a triangle of usefulness or whatever. The Chip and Joanna boat.

27:39Ben Mandelker: The triangle of usefulness. Yeah, well, I like to call that my Bermuda triangle. So, well, no, I have downsides. I don't need the space anymore because I live alone. My children have moved away. And as we all know, John Jansen has left me and I've been sitting here paralyzed, replaying arguments in my head. And I'm so I'm happy. I'm living on my dream has come true. Old age alone with no one by my side, except skanky women walking on the boardwalk. I'm happy.

28:09Ronnie Karam: I'm in a great mood. I'm in a great mood in my tiny, tiny little packing container home. So let's just go sit over here, girls. Now, let me update you, everybody. Sophie, oh God, I'm so happy. Sophie is a senior at Baylor University, which is so funny because Baylor, bailing. John bailed on me. John's a bailer. It went full circle quickly, didn't it? I'm happy for her. I'm so happy.

28:36Ben Mandelker: Adeline is in New York City at the Parsons School of Design, learning lots of things and being around the liberals. and Stella is part of the USC transfers in Paris, far away from all of us. And we get together at the holidays and Sophie expresses her Texas feelings and Adeline expresses her Parsons School of Design feelings and Stella tells me to shut up and we have a very happy time together as a family. You know, it is like August Osage County at the holidays with that family now. Like, as you know, Sophie is totally going traditional kind of like conservative path down with baylor with ria and adeline's in fashion school you know it is just nothing but back and forth and she'll be like why can't we just talk about nice things why don't you say something nice about your sister why do we always have to fight

29:28Ronnie Karam: um and you know it's going bad because stella's one of those people who's like guys you should

29:34Ben Mandelker: all go abroad i've like totally done it what an opportunity one of the biggest failures that we as humans have had is that we did not support real girlfriends in paris long enough because if it were still on the air i'm sure stella would have made her way onto that show oh that would have

29:52Ronnie Karam: been amazing because but isn't that just such a useful a youthful thing i did that when i was young when i moved to new york i moved when i was 18 and i came home wearing a beret for my first christmas it's like hi oh and i had like an eerie like an ear cuff like a little man crawling up my ear i was like yeah i have a beret and ear cuff so i'm pretty artistic now guys you should try that

30:13Ben Mandelker: i act like selling when i go to target i'm like guys you should be going to target i'm just saying live in spaces just got back oh my god i was saying that you guys should try living in spaces so sorry ben what were you saying i was singing that that jingle all last night it was in my head i was i was like board game night we were playing a game of out being in outer space and i kept on going living spaces every time someone mentioned space and everyone was getting annoyed at me

30:43Ronnie Karam: i need spaces i'm sorry i was singing to john jansen all alone spaces I'm alone now But this isn't even a living room It's a shoe behind So please don't leave me here I'm sorry what were we talking about

31:02Ben Mandelker: I miss all the things in my life I used to have spaces

31:10Ronnie Karam: So they're like oh my god Shut up Stella you've been out of town Congratulations

31:17Ben Mandelker: Well she's been to nine countries in her first semester, much like how her father was in nine women in my first semester of pregnancy.

31:31Ronnie Karam: So, um, Shanna's like, Mom, why are you crying now? She's like, well, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I took Sophie to college. I took Adeline to college. And, and, and your dad took you. So it was my intent to come and visit you. Hold on. Let me lean my head back and touch the bottom of my eyes. It was my intent to come and visit you. But because of my mistakes, I wasn't able to come. And I feel bad. I need a drink. Mom, put the bottle down.

32:06Ben Mandelker: I'm so sorry. And I humiliated. And I disappointed you. And what kind of example am I? 59. Mom, I just want to check. Are you sorry for humiliating us about the GY? Or what about the years and years of stuff before that?

32:22Ronnie Karam: No, no. What about that time you showed up at our dance recital and threw a crutch at our teacher's face? Well, I'm... There was a woman sitting in my seat and she had crutches and I wanted one of them gone. I couldn't fit.

32:36Ben Mandelker: I am sorry that I confused your teacher for a carnival game and confused the crutch for a beanbag and confused her school for the Orange County Fair. But I had reached my two-drink max for the day, and things happened.

32:54Ronnie Karam: So Stella's like, Mom, we're just glad that you're okay and that no one was hurt. Yeah, and they're like, yeah, and you take accountability. And Santa's like, well, on the night of the DUI, I drove to John's house, well, stupidly, and we got into a big argument, and he said, you're a drunken idiot. don't get in your car but oh god i did and i got in an accident five seconds later because i wrapped up the engine so he could know how mad i was and i lost control of the car immediately so it was because john made me mad that i wrapped up the car like that's what happened so i take

33:29Ben Mandelker: responsibility for john being a monster literally if you really think about her story that is the funniest view why she's like i am not drunk and i'm not an idiot and i'm gonna rub this car crash into a wall she's like I mean like it's almost like a comedy like if it were a comedy it would be funny but it's real life it's not funny because DUI by the way I'm I'm not going to keep saying this we all know DUIs are horrific I think they are they're awful and I think that they're actually taken to like people consider them too lightly but it's we're a podcast and at a certain point like I I'm not going to do the disclaimer anymore and if people get mad and say oh you're taking DUIs too lightly.

34:11Ben Mandelker: No, I think DUIs are terrible. But what I think, though, is Shannon's specific situation is kind of funny. And it is funny. Just to think of her getting into that.

34:20Ronnie Karam: We're just saying DUIs aren't funny, but if you wanted one to be funny and you were casting for a comedy DUI, Shannon B. Dora's agent is the one that you would call.

34:31Ben Mandelker: Because I'm just imagining her talking and saying, and here's another thing, John Jansen, if you ever talk to me, ah!

34:39Ben Mandelker: Just like are just zooming out of frame.

34:45Ronnie Karam: Right? So Sophie's like, she goes, Girls, girls, I've never broken a bone. I've never had a concussion. I've never been in an accident. Wait. I've never had a Diet Coke. I know. I've never had emotional debris stuck up my butt that David Bedore had to get out with his thumb. I've never had a song that I haven't done. Because I think she's hasn't she been in a cast on this show? Is that in my head? I honestly don't remember. And then she's like, I've never had a concussion. I know we've seen her in some kind of a head swing, but maybe that was from Faith for the Dream.

35:27Ben Mandelker: Did she ever have a boot? Isn't she always twisting her ankle and stuff like that?

35:32Ronnie Karam: I mean, I remember the year Tamara had a thing that she had to roll around on her knee, but then didn't Shannon also have to roll around on her knee, too? And then Tamara was like, yeah, of course Shannon has to roll around on her knee when I'm rolling around on my knee, because Shannon wants to be me, bitch! But I think that Shannon has done all of these things that she's listing, is my point. I've never broken a bone, I've never had a concussion, I've never been in an accident, I've never had a Diet Coke in my home, I've never had emotional debris stuck up my butt that David Bedore had to get out with his thumb.

36:01Ronnie Karam: She's done all this stuff.

36:03Ben Mandelker: Never had a loyal lover. Never had a good friend and never had a real relationship with Tamara Barney. You know, and then it all changed in 10 seconds, girls. 10 seconds.

36:17Ronnie Karam: And Sophie's like, well, it sucks, but this happened for a reason. Oh, God. Well, you know, here's the truth. God had a plan. I absolutely believe that. God wanted me to be drunk and drive that car. That was God's plan. He said, you know what, Shannon, have a few and get in the car. God works in mysterious, delicious ways. Here's what God said. Shaken, not stirred.

36:43Ben Mandelker: Stella's like, yeah, and God's plan for me, I guess, was just to go to Paris and just become a better person than all of you guys. Sorry.

36:50Ronnie Karam: And on the seventh day, God said, let there be Michelob light.

36:57Ben Mandelker: Let there be Schlitz.

37:01Ben Mandelker: Sophie goes, well, it seems like you're taking more initiative to figure out why things have happened in your life and why you keep certain people in your life when they necessarily shouldn't be there. Yes, I call those people Diet Cokes. So I don't know why they're there. Maybe they should be removed.

37:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, I'm really seeing who my true friends are now. Tamara, no. Emily, no. Gina, no. Bartles, yes. James, yes.

37:33Ben Mandelker: So then we go back to the gym and Tamara's like, so wait, so wait a second. Jen, you saw Shannon? And Jen's like, yeah, I saw Shannon. She came to the studio the other day, sort of made a lot of noise. Everyone left and I didn't get my$50, which means that, of course, I was just late for rent by, you know,$3 ,000 instead of$3 ,050. But, you know, it's, you know, that's life.

37:56Ronnie Karam: So she's working out now? Well, she took a class. I mean, I wouldn't say she's working out, but she did take a class. Here's what she took a lot. She did a lot. She stood there, and she really absorbed this a lot. Thank you, Shannon. Thank you for doing that downtown. Thank you. Thank you, Shannon. Wow. And what's her buns? Emily's like, oh, she came to class. Did she fall down a lot? Listen, I do not love this Shannon slander. I'm not going to like this. I don't like this. I don't like Emily ganging up with the camera.

38:26Ben Mandelker: Emily your whole bit is that you fall down like quote unquote by accident like remember like that's what she always does oh my god I fell down I'm goofy it's like the Vicky school of of falling down

38:39Ronnie Karam: I didn't have to fall down or read that well she Tamara in the beginning of this episode or at the beginning of this scene Emily said something like she dropped something she was like I haven't worked out in a long time she dropped something and Shannon was like oh what are you Shannon now like trying to be wacky by being klutzy so i think that's what they're saying she's like oh so was she falling down a lot and yeah you're right emily uh ben emily is a shannon uh she's trying to be like a physical comedy stealer

39:05Ben Mandelker: yeah whatever get your like the it's like it's like what vicky does when she falls over and you're like you that was that was fake so jen is like you know what i have a soft spot for shannon i'm sorry

39:16Ronnie Karam: i have a turkey sandwich in my i have a turkey sandwich in my purse i'm gonna eat wackily to get America on my side while you talk about Shannon.

39:24Ben Mandelker: I have a soft spot for Shannon. I'm just such an

39:26Ronnie Karam: average woman.

39:28Ben Mandelker: And we see Jen and Shannon. They're talking and Shannon's saying, well, I've been going to a wellness program. I've been seeing a therapist. I've been seeing a psychiatrist. I've been seeing John Jansen with Alexis Bellino with The Quiet Women. That's really fun. Yeah, I'm doing great. I'm happy.

39:48Ronnie Karam: When do you feel like the record's being pulled out from under you oh uh this is jen she's like when you feel like the rug is being pulled out from under you and and you're literally at rock bottom you need a friend you need a friend to be like hi i'm a rock bottom could you help me hey you have 20 do you have anything in your bank account i

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41:55Ben Mandelker: So Jen is like, yeah, she said something about the Tres Amigos and that you're out. She goes, yeah, I am out. I am out. Yeah, she was surprised that you weren't doing it anymore. She goes, yeah, well, you know what? It was right after her DUI. She was basically on tour of the telling people and the press that she wasn't drinking. And now she's drinking Diet Coke. Which, by the way, wow. So I thought the Diet Coke came in from the daughters. Is it that Shannon's brought the Diet Coke into her lifestyle, into her world?

42:22Ronnie Karam: I guess so. Yeah. Because, yeah. So she's like, and then somewhere in the green room and there's a bar. And she's over there looking around and looking around. And then pouring vodka in her drink. Pouring it. Pouring it in the drink.

42:36Ben Mandelker: I love this. This is a small moment. Jen goes, oh, vodka and Diet Coke.

42:44Ben Mandelker: She's like, wow, that's so sad. That's sad. That's sad. So Tamara's like, yeah, Shannon and I put together this live show and it was like a lot about drinking and stuff. And I felt like it was just like in bad taste to do a show right after Shannon's D.Y. Batch. Oh, since when does Tamara ever concern about bad taste? Tamara,

43:02Ronnie Karam: the connoisseur of taste.

43:04Ben Mandelker: I know. of discretion and letting people heal.

43:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah, 100%. So she's like, Max, stop, take a beer. Try to figure out what's going on with that bitch.

43:16Ben Mandelker: Stop drinking. How about that?

43:21Ben Mandelker: Tamara's like, she could have killed herself. She could have killed her fucking dog. And they just cussed to Archie sitting there like, someone talking about me. So then back to Shannon.

43:32Ronnie Karam: She's like, oh God, I just don't understand why I haven't heard from some people. And Stella's like, well, it's surprising that they haven't reached out after John. And she's like, oh, God, and he's dating someone else they know, and they haven't reached out. And I don't want John in my life anymore, but for him to be publicly displaying his relationship with Alexis Bellino, that slut.

43:51Ben Mandelker: I mean, it's hurtful.

43:53Ronnie Karam: It's hurtful.

43:54Ben Mandelker: I, the last thing that I want in my life is John Chance. Oh, wait, I think that's John's son out there. Hi. Hi, John. Oh, you know what? It's just a palm tree. My bad. My bad.

44:08Ronnie Karam: So she says that 10 days after her DUI, John called her and said, I'm cutting ties with you. You've ruined my life and you've ruined my family's lives because of the publicness of who you are. Is publicness a word, A? And B, you were dating a TV reality star and now you're dating another one? You weren't even dating a reality star at that time. You literally were dating someone desperate to be back on TV so that you could both get back on TV. Shut the fuck up, you low-rent Al Gore. No one wants to hear it from you.

44:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, publicness apparently is a word, believe it or not. Wow. I had to do that one comment. Yeah, well, it's out there in public. It has a lot of publicness about publicness. Six weeks later, he started dating Alexis Bellino, the one that started the ball rolling on my lawsuit. And we see, I was like, the lawsuit? I was like, oh, yeah, because Jim Bellino files a$1 million lawsuit against former Orange County co-stars Tamara and Shannon because of their they did because they went on to Heather McDonald's live show. Right. And talked about Jim Bellino and is like chin implant or some.

45:16Ronnie Karam: No, they made fun of the trampoline park and said that they're dangerous or something. And people someone said, like, don't people die at those or something? And they got sued for slander. Yeah. By the way, we're not saying that people don't sue us. We're just saying what the lawsuit was about.

45:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah. But that was a frivolous lawsuit, I believe, by Jim Bellino. He was always a dick. No. Look at me being quiet.

45:42Ronnie Karam: I'm like, I'm quiet about people who will sue me. But very easy to control in that way. So then Stella's like, yeah, he's an embarrassment to this family. and stella yeah stella continues she's like yeah i'm like filled with rage thinking about it i'm just thinking to myself vu quoi pourquoi that's not even meaning me think stella i'm working on

46:06Ben Mandelker: it mother i'm working on it stella stella stella what are you doing oh yeah i express my rage through miming now because i live in paris oh okay well that's stella i'm getting so sick of

46:17Ronnie Karam: hearing about Paris that I could drink you. No, Mama, not us, Stella. Oh, okay. I should have thought about that before I named you, really.

46:26Ben Mandelker: So now we'll go back to Jim, and Jen's like, I have a question. Were Shannon and Alexis friends? And Emily's like, no, they do not have history other than Alexis' husband, Jim, sued them. Oh, yes, I remember that now. No, actually, I don't remember that whatsoever. I just said that because I'm not comfortable with quiet

46:50Ben Mandelker: So Tamara Talks about the lawsuit She goes yeah in 2018 Jim Bellino Suits Shannon for defamation and the case Has been closed and I can't really talk About any kind of settlement but we both lost A lot of money Shannon lost$300 ,000 and I lost$500 ,000 Don't want to talk about it

47:09Ronnie Karam: So they're like yeah Alexis wasn't Even married to him she has nothing to do with it And Tamara's like Yeah, Alexis, tell me that she did not agree with what he did. I said, no, I'm a little bitch. But do you want to hear some karma? Do you want to hear some karma? God, say to her, if you can't fucking clean your ass up after crashing your car and almost killing somebody, I'm going to give your boyfriend to the girl you hate the most. Oh, wow. Spoken like a true Christian. First of all, karma. And then God revenge bestowing Alexis on somebody.

47:43Ben Mandelker: But also, isn't this your friend? this is supposed to be your friend and you're reveling in this in this situation i don't tamra yeah this is like i think really like this is just like shitty friendship tamra's an awful awful girl you should be there to help your friend get file this yeah she got mad what was she mad at shannon for by the end of the season they were all coming for shannon by the end of the season was it that shannon was making things about herself or who knows what but like either way all of last season was tamra like you know becoming friends with shannon again and yada yada yada and now like shannon hits a like a set like a house i was gonna say a setback but a house but like you're just being a shitty friend at this point so um and just like laughing about about shannon's karma it's not like shannon's a victim here but as your as her friend like tamra should be trying

48:38Ronnie Karam: to help her get better you know and then you know we also have to remember when it comes to alcohol Tamara's the one who like purposely got someone wasted and tried to have her son like assault them sexually on television. So I don't know that we really need Tamara as a moral virtuous. She's not a moral compass. You're not the Julie of this cruise ship lady. Yeah. Okay. Have a backseat. Why don't you go? Why don't you go like make some Christian quotes somewhere that make more sense? Fucking weirdo. Karma and God's vengeance of Alexis Bolina. Tamara's still a fucking monster. And I'm so glad to have her on this show.

49:14Ben Mandelker: She's so good. So then we go back to the Shannon's household and Stella's like, mom, if you ever see John with his new girlfriend, quote unquote girlfriend, the most empowering thing will be if you just walk right by and go straight to the boulangerie, get yourself a croissant and then go to the cafe. Oh, I keep forgetting. You don't live in Paris, mom. That's me. That's me who lives in Paris.

49:42Ronnie Karam: Listen, I do not want to argue, so I'm just going to let things go, and I'm not going to be that person anymore. And if someone upsets me, if someone does something cruel to me...

49:54Ronnie Karam: Okay, Stella, I don't need you to serenade me while I do my monologue. I'm going to tell them what I've done, what they've done. I'm no victim anymore.

50:06Ben Mandelker: Stella. So, let it be known, I have no fear. Although I am a little concerned about the toxicity levels in this household now that we have Diet Coke. So, I don't know. I'm thinking that we maybe all should go to see Dr. Moon soon. Okay. I'm not going to sit here in a corner and avoid Alexis Polino. I'm going to walk right up to her and say, Well, okay then.

50:34Ronnie Karam: I cannot walk up to her and say Excuse me I am going to walk right up to Alexis Bolino

50:41Ben Mandelker: And say how do you do And then I shall go find some crudités

50:45Ronnie Karam: I can't wait to tell her Enjoy my sloppy seconds And the girls are like yes mother period Tea period tea She's like that is right girls period tea

50:55Ben Mandelker: Is that French

50:59Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Heather's new house in Bel Air. It's with Terry. And they're settling in and Heather's like, so this is what we need to go over, Terry. Zach is coming over to talk about budgets and timelines for the house. Ohad is coming over from Circa to talk about the guest house. 45 poor people are entering through a back door to clean the downstairs and the upstairs, and we shall never acknowledge their presence. Do you understand, Terry?

51:28Ronnie Karam: By the way, it cracks me up that there's a sign that says, do not open on the refrigerator. Some people think it's because there's fragile things in the house, but it's really so the kids don't ever get fat. Isn't that hilarious?

51:43Ben Mandelker: So she says, I'm always looking for a new project. After we sold our Crystal Cove house, we bought this house in Beverly Hills and I tried to get onto a different franchise. Didn't really work out. So now we're stuck with another mansion. Ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, well, they want it in the low 40s and we got it for$16 million.

52:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's on 8.3 acres. Wow. And she's like, I mean, we have the penthouse, but that's only two bedrooms. We need a family home. Enter Beverly Hills.

52:12Ben Mandelker: As in, I would like to enter the Beverly Hills, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Yeah. And so she goes,

52:18Ronnie Karam: But hey, you never know. Stranger things have happened. do you think they would let dubrow on i feel like they wouldn't no i think the best i think it's

52:25Ben Mandelker: it's it's actually hilarious that she has literally moved to beverly hills and she's

52:30Ronnie Karam: still stuck on orange county i know but they're showing sudden on this show so do you think that

52:34Ben Mandelker: that's a a hint well sudden's an upgraded good so in board gaming sometimes like you have things like um you have resources that you can play with so like you might have you might have some ore but I have jewelry. And if you need to pay something with ore, I can pay with it with jewelry because jewelry is just a better ore. But if something needs to be paid with jewelry, you can't pay with it with ore because ore is not good enough. So Sutton is the jewelry. Heather is, you know, this analogy has really gotten away from me. I don't think it makes sense to a lot of people. The point is this, Sutton's allowed to go downstream.

53:07Ben Mandelker: Heather's not allowed to go upstream.

53:10Ronnie Karam: That's funny. It's allowed. But I got, I mean, I see what you're saying. Like Sutton's allowed to slum it, but like rich people are allowed to go visit poor neighborhoods, but poor people aren't just allowed to go up for lunch at the Four Seasons. No, no.

53:25Ben Mandelker: Even though Heather is actually very, very wealthy.

53:28Ronnie Karam: So she looks, she's like considered poor because she's not from, she's not from. Right. She's tainted. Yeah. She smells like bowling alley, as we used to say. And I used to work in a bowling alley. But we used to be like, you can't date that girl. You smell like bowling alley, meaning like she's above you. You know, we work in the bowling alley, but you can't date above you.

53:51Ben Mandelker: Sutton's like, I'm sorry, do I smell San Clemente in here? Smells like Tustin.

53:58Ronnie Karam: I was going to say, it smells like the Tustin auto show in here. Anybody smell that? It's where Ari comes from. That's why I know.

54:04Ben Mandelker: If you close your eyes, you can almost smell Space Mountain. It's like Anaheim. so so heather's they got this new house and heather's like we're gonna take this new house down to the studs and now uh heather gives us a whole tour and she starts but this house was built in the 40s so you know carrie grant's been in here lana turner lived here all these different people you know i walk around and i think gosh if these walls could talk like these walls you're about to tear it down. She's like, look at all the history that was in this house. Okay, destroy it all.

54:41Ronnie Karam: Tear it down. Tear it down. Cary Grant's been here. I mean, that's such a California thing to say, isn't it? This house, Cary Grant's been here. Perry Mason walked by one time. Gloria and Stefan flew over it.

54:57Ben Mandelker: And now me, someone who had a best spot on Malibu country, is added to the long list of celebrities.

55:06Ronnie Karam: If these walls could talk, they'd say,

55:10Ben Mandelker: Line! If these walls could talk, they'd say, Are you in SAG-AFTRA?

55:21Ronnie Karam: So they both, you know, do their normal Terry and Heather thing. Like, hey, are we going to be able to fit all our cars in this house? I don't know, Terry. I just don't know. That was absolutely hilarious, Terry. By the way, we have to also talk about, okay, I don't understand the point of having a mansion in Bel Air, but a penthouse in Century City.

55:47Ben Mandelker: Because what people who don't live in Los Angeles don't know is those are very close to each other. It's one thing if you have a penthouse in San Francisco and a mansion in Bel Air. But the side-by-side things, unless they're doing a flip, it does not remain as good.

56:03Ronnie Karam: I think they're doing a flip because they made so much money from that house last year. I mean, that was inspiring to watch, really. I love real estate. I'm dying. I love real estate shows. I'm sorry I was complimenting Heather Dubrow, so my body was rejecting it. But I love real estate shows. And that was pretty incredible watching them build that mall house from the start from the ground up and then making nine zillion dollars off of it. So I'm sure they're just going to do it again, you know, but it's also Heather doesn't know what to do on this show. That's her only storyline is having a house.

56:36Ronnie Karam: That's all she knows how to do. So she's going to stay on TV. She's got to have a house, you know, that she's remodeling.

56:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I guess so. Well, either way, I just think it's I'm like, but yeah, yeah. If she says it's a flip, then I will I will let it slide. but i was just like that seems very very strange but in feather so anyway um so they're walking through and everything and they're and they're you know i think the contractor is going through and ohad's like yeah we're gonna have a party when this is all done and terry goes bar a stroke that's not funny terry um so then uh i'm i'm bored because that's them i can't

57:18Ronnie Karam: You have to tell me. I keep getting lost in the notes because I read Terry and Heather notes, and I'm just like, I'm tired.

57:24Ben Mandelker: One thing that is funny, though, is that she said that basically none of this furniture is theirs. They just got stage furniture to put in there. And Shelby, our note taker, says they cut to a gong, which I guess is stage furniture, which is kind of funny. She's like, get me the gong. Put the gong in here.

57:41Ronnie Karam: You know what? I'd like to have an island, maybe some stools where people could sit around and gather, and a gong.

57:49Ben Mandelker: just in case Cary Grant's ghost comes back I just want to gong him out of here it's my house now

57:56Ronnie Karam: just in case Richard Marks' stupid wife tries singing the song he wrote me again I call it the daisy, not the gong so then they start talking about the girls and Heather's like, I mean, I'm in a better place with the girls and by that I mean, no one has threatened to murder me for a little while, so that's been fun but I'm going to have a party and spend obscene amounts of money trying to win them back because that always works.

58:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. And Terry's like, well, I just, I don't want to see you go through what you went through last year because, because that was, that was too much. Well, hopefully everyone will be nice and I'm going to have lots of activities. That'll be fun. And I'll give Gina lots of gifts and watch her be a total bitch to me for the rest of the season, despite all the things I give to her.

58:42Ronnie Karam: I know she wants things to be different this time. So she's going to do the exact same thing she always does she's going to have a big extravagant party to remind everybody that she's worth more than all of them combined and then just sit there with a stick up her ass and nod her head and shake her head like she's starting the season the same way

58:59Ben Mandelker: she does every single time i love it so now we go to emily's house um and gina shows up and she's like oh i was trying to make you a salad wow you're still trying to cook that's so weird there's like no sink in here and it turns out that emily has been renovating her house and now she's doing a kitchen reno so everyone get excited for that arc in about i don't know uh 16 weeks we get to see what emily's kitchen looks like uh spoiler alert it's gonna look like every other kitchen we've seen on this show i was gonna say i hope i hope it looks like tuscany i know uh as long as it doesn't have tamra's very strange like built-in booth uh i'll be happy i'm predicting faux painted

59:40Ronnie Karam: walls and some splotchy granite countertops and some big ornate wood Tuscan cabinets and possibly a Caliente sign or one of those ceramic chefs to put cookies in.

59:55Ben Mandelker: You know, I'm happy that we're doing the renovation because this kitchen was stuck in the 90s. Kind of like Shane's wardrobe. And I was like, you know what? That's fair. That's fair.

1:00:04Ronnie Karam: That's fair. So they're talking about Gina's house and Gina's like, oh, you know what? I'm listing the La Quinta home for Elizabeth. And then we see photos. Ex-Real Housewives of Orange County, Elizabeth Lynn Vargas lists renovated La Quinta estate for$9 million.

1:00:25Ben Mandelker: Hey, kids, you gotta see this house. It's unbelievable, astronomical, wonderful deal. Unbelievable,

1:00:34Ronnie Karam: unremarkable, unpenetrable. It's a house.

1:00:39Ben Mandelker: Come to this house. It's an open house. It's a beautiful house. It's a place for families. It's a place for shingles. Everyone lives here in the house. It's a house for a joy and a house for oi. Ah, come to the open house.

1:00:51Ronnie Karam: Speaking of Elizabeth, Elizabeth's brother, do you remember Andrew? He bumped into Shannon on New Year's Eve in the market, and she had like a full shopping car to booze. It's New Year's Eve. She wasn't like in the parking lot in a dumpster drinking it. Jesus Christ. You know what?

1:01:08Ben Mandelker: Gina has her shopping cart full of booze. Okay, shut up. Yeah, they're all Ronnie branded. She says, that doesn't scream I'm on a new track. I'm like, okay, no, but to be fair, she does have a new track of hair in her head. So she goes, I just... She could use a new track. She needs a few new tracks. Okay, we'll give you that, Gina. I just know that I was tortured by this woman over something that I took full responsibility for years ago. I'm like, show all the clips of Shannon bringing it up again. And it's like, yes, is it tacky for Shannon to keep bringing it up? Perhaps. But also, she's kind of like, I did you a major favor, and then you pay me with dust.

1:01:50Ben Mandelker: And Shannon was upset about it.

1:01:52Ronnie Karam: They do show some clips of Shannon being like, there is no excuse to get a DUI in this day and age. And stuff like that. That's funny. But I would like to remind Gina, the most of the shame wasn't for the DUI. It was for the not being grateful to somebody for helping you. It was like for fucking over somebody who helped you, which you still did. And you did it constantly. And every time you did it, she brought it up again. So if you don't want people bringing it up again, let's stop fucking people over that have helped you. You fucking ingrate.

1:02:20Ben Mandelker: You know, I have no relationship with Shannon, and I don't believe in kicking someone when they're down. but seeing yeah but welcome to watch what crap happens and listen to the recaps talking about you let's be honest like look at her small house um but seeing the news coming in the morning of shannon's d y i mean this isn't hammer robin domino's code but an eye for an eye you know

1:02:44Ronnie Karam: what was she talking about i i don't really listen hammer robbie's code is that a bible Is that a Bible quote? Well, eye for an eye is biblical, right?

1:02:57Ben Mandelker: Maybe that's what Hammurabi is. I just always, as she's saying, I feel like this is not the proper use of it.

1:03:04Ronnie Karam: The Code of Hammurabi is one of the oldest deciphered writings of length in the world, written in 1754 BCE, and features a code of law from ancient Babylon and Mesopotamia. The code consisted of 282 laws with punishments that varied based on social status. The fuck is she talking about?

1:03:22Ben Mandelker: Where'd she hear about this? oh it's because i bought hammurabi's code and it's now in my house in bel-air next to the gong

1:03:33Ben Mandelker: so i don't think that you're coming in with like mesopotamian lore like i love it but like also is this an eye for not isn't it like you took something from me i take something from you so shannon like you have a dui i don't think it's that i i don't think it works that way also by way how did you miss the the chance to say dui for a dui right oh yeah go for the joke gina come on

1:03:56Ronnie Karam: yeah so they're like should she just quit drinking and gina thinks she should have gone to rehab and um gina's like she's spiraled she's spiraled right into a house

1:04:11Ben Mandelker: i mean and emily goes can you imagine archie in the backseat he's just like what the we just a house i mean he's like 10 and 2 shannon 10 and 2 which i was laughing i felt so bad the dog being

1:04:24Ronnie Karam: a backseat driver i was laughing too it's just funny to me the ways that the rules vary on these shows you know what i mean like sometimes it's like oh my god you're making fun of addiction and then sometimes it's like you know 10 and 2 shannon yeah but you also by the way if emily

1:04:43Ben Mandelker: made that joke to gina she's like it's not bad you're joking about something and i could have lost all you have kids i feel bad so um anyway gina's saying um you know emily asked what's going on with her and she goes well i mean you know i love travis and like the hottest part about my relationship is not my relationship and emma's like it was the outside factors yeah the problem was emily like it's like when we started dating four and a half years ago we were both freshly divorced and like now everything with like matt is wonderful and we're co-parenting but the problem is that travis is still getting dragged down by his baggage and he's not fully towards divorce and he can't get to basically the issue is the ex-wife is too much with the

1:05:30Ronnie Karam: ex-wife for gina too much it's a messy messy situation with travis and the ex i was looking it up to see what they were talking about. And she's posting like, well, Travis, if you have such a problem, just sign the divorce papers. Like he won't, apparently won't sign the divorce papers. And then he's trying to get a restraining order on her. And he's claiming, this was from last year, but he's like claiming she's a drug. She got pulled over for drugs and she got arrested for drug possession. But she was pulled over for having lorazepram, which is like lorazepram, which is like an anxiety medication.

1:06:01Ronnie Karam: And she didn't have her prescription on her. But then it was dropped once she did have he knew it was a prescribed drug, but he's still trying to make it sound like she's some kind of a drug addict. And then she was bringing Gina's DUI into the into the I mean, it's messy. It's a messy, messy, messy situation. But he, for some reason, won't sign the papers. And people are speculating that it's because he wants he wants child support or he's pretending he's he won't he refuses to get a job. so he doesn't have to pay her child support. I mean, the whole thing is just fucking messy. And honestly, I don't love Gina on the show, but I don't blame her for not wanting anything.

1:06:44Ben Mandelker: So I don't blame her either. I think that it's too much. And it's like, at a certain point, you've got to be like, I can't deal with this. But that being said, I do think the irony is rich. We want to talk about Ivor and I. Last season, Gina basically ended her friendship with Heather because Heather said, listen, you've got to stop talking to travis about matt because his name is matt right you got to stop talking to travis about your ex because he's not your therapist and eventually he's not going to hear anymore he's going to want to go and she got so mad and now she's like yeah your ex is too much

1:07:17Ronnie Karam: for me i'm gonna go yeah um yeah it's it's not a good situation but it's also like you moved your kids into it, too. So these kids have all been living together and growing up together for a long time. So it's like, I don't know, it's an awkward situation all the way around. You know? So, but also, she's got another job now. She's possibly making more money back on her feet and doesn't necessarily need to share a two-bedroom with somebody and their kids. So, you know, who knows what it is with Gina? Because Gina, I don't know. You never know. So anyway, Emily's like, so what does your gut tell you you need to do?

1:07:52Ronnie Karam: I don't know that I would trust Gina's gut. Can I just say? I don't know. I don't think we should be asking our guts. My gut just lies to me.

1:08:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I think Gina's instincts have not always been great. Hey, gut, what should I do? Pizza. Just said pizza. Yeah, I had that gut reaction four nights ago. So now we go to Jen and Ryan at Las Prisas. It's a Mexican restaurant that I've actually been to. It's good, everyone. Just a little endorsement from Ben Mandelker for Las Brisas. So Jen and Ryan are sitting down, and they're settling in and everything. And she's like, hey, she's like, you can have a drink tonight? He's like, yeah, because you know where I'm going to take you later? Where? Downtown. Oh, my God. Thank you so much for that vulgar joke.

1:08:47Ben Mandelker: I really appreciate that. It was very funny.

1:08:49Ronnie Karam: So this guy showed up. with a new wig yeah like this guy looks like he's undercover and he's really he looks just so guilty and we know that he's going through a lot of like legal issues or whatever but he's just like uh yeah everything's great everything's great so glad we have all this money that's totally gotten by legal means and uh not doing anything fraudulent this is funny i'm gonna go down on you later honey yeah so so she's saying um you know she's like you know just i just need to slow

1:09:19Ben Mandelker: down. There's so much going on. I feel like everything is so busy all the time. He's like, yeah, I know. It's tough right now. Your divorce isn't final and it all falls on you because you want to keep the kids doing all this. Yes. Thank you so much for understanding that. I don't want to make our date about being a downer, but we are going to need to have this conversation because I got to figure out what the kids and I are going to do. It's just been really hard.

1:09:41Ronnie Karam: Teaching all of those classes. I mean, the parking lot was so busy the other day. I had to teach my yoga class level one in a handicapped space. I mean, it just felt really awkward, Ryan. Really, really awkward. And now I have to catch myself up on rent because I think it's like$24 ,000 or something. And then she tells us that she's still not divorced and Will hasn't turned in his financials. And he was supposed to be paying most of her rent, but then he stopped. And she didn't even know until she started getting emails or texts from the landlord, like, I got part of the rent. Where's

1:10:15Ben Mandelker: rest of the rent yet the issue is that the house that she had been in she got kicked out of because the owner decided to sell it they went so gina importantly gina helped her find a new house and now will isn't working for the family anymore like will doesn't have the money she doesn't have the money it's the classic orange county tale of living beyond your means oh my gosh this is kind of stressful oh it is stressful you gotta hand it to gina i mean one thing that gina did do was that she downsized. And we gave her, you know, we made fun of her a lot for her tiny house. And it definitely became a storyline with Shannon about the size of her house.

1:10:54Ben Mandelker: But Gina did say, okay, these are the means I got to live in. And she's lived in them, you know? Yeah. So Jen is like, she's like, I just feel like I'm asking you and my dad to catch me up. But I still can't even breathe because next month rolls around and my dad's putting my attorney bills and you know she says she's only getting 50 a class at the yoga studio which we're always like how is she like how is the yoga the yoga studio is this really going to be able to fund this whole this whole house and all these kids it turns out no it's not and ryan's like why don't you guys

1:11:25Ronnie Karam: just move in with me honey it sounds like a great idea she's like but are you really thinking about it he's like it's only it's only logical and she's like but yeah but what if we fall apart then we stay there i mean i have to figure out another plan ryan i can't he's like hold on brian your

1:11:40Ben Mandelker: limp penis picture is not going to do any good right now ryan he's like what could go wrong i uh i have a lot of money coming from a really good source that surely will not land me into any sort of hot water it's gonna be great nothing will fall apart yikes geez so he's like looking terrified

1:12:00Ronnie Karam: fan slam both of them look literally terrified and they just hold hands they're like it's gonna be okay it's gonna be okay i mean this show we we have watched the demise of so many people on this show uh it's like game of thrones almost where you just watch the show and you just wait for everything to go to shake because it always does on this show yeah but um this happened quickly

1:12:21Ben Mandelker: really suddenly listen we uh we all lived through lynn curtain and we've been waiting yeah speaking game of game of thrones like you know there was there was aegon the conqueror and then they waited centuries for john snow and we had lynn curtain and now we have jen that's true lynn curtain was the original egg on the conqueror and jen is now here to pick up pick up the pieces and not pieces but the reins and continue on yeah so anyway poor jen her life is falling apart so now we go to heather who has more, she could buy and sell Jen's house 20 times over. And she's at a bar ordering an espresso martini.

1:13:06Ben Mandelker: Little does, I mean, this is perfect for Heather. Heather's favorite thing is to swoop in. Like next thing you know, we're going to have a scene next week of Heather, like outfitting Jen and her old prom dress, right? She's like, oh, this old thing. I decided to get rid of it. Jen, you put it on. You're perfect. You're like a little me now. Now I control everything you do.

1:13:23Ronnie Karam: She's like, oh, you know how on your Instagram page, it shows you things. Well, on my Instagram page, guess what it's showing me? Mother and son dances. Could you imagine giving your son over to some hoe?

1:13:37Ben Mandelker: Hoe is a slang I learned. It's like you click on one picture of Rima McIntyre to see what she's up to lately and if she has any casting notices. And next thing you know, it's mother dances, mother son dances. I don't even understand the correlation, but it just happened.

1:13:53Ronnie Karam: So then Alexis comes. John, John, John. And Heather's gossiping about Shannon, of course. And she's like, we barely speak, and it's very nice of me to invite her to a party because I don't want her to be kicked out when she's down. And I don't want her to be left out either. And I want to watch her suffer, as everyone calls her a drunk. But now for inviting her, I'm the asshole. And then we see a clip of Heather FaceTiming Shannon and being like, I'm going to invite you to my lunch, poor a person. Okay. Hopefully you take a bicycle there. Okay. Also, Alexis Bellino is coming. Hope you don't mind.

1:14:31Ronnie Karam: And Shannon's like, how dare you? I will maybe possibly come.

1:14:38Ben Mandelker: Shannon's brain was saying, I can't even believe it. This is absolutely disrespectful. The things that she, the ball she got rolling with that lawsuit, this slut who took my John Jansen. But what she actually says is, oh, I'll think about it.

1:14:53Ronnie Karam: i will have to think about that and get back to you politely heather's like how dare she how dare she listen i don't want to kick her when she's down i just

1:15:03Ben Mandelker: want to publicly humiliate her so alexis comes in and heather's like obviously i have a long history with alexis and we see a flashback of alexis and heather uh fighting and alexis saying i probably had the worst year of my life you know and um i'm sorry heather's alexis probably did say that somewhere but heather says alexis had probably the worst year of her life her mother who she was very close with passed away she needs friends right now and the producer said i have to have

1:15:32Ronnie Karam: dinner with her so i want to provide that problem i was gonna say are we supposed to believe that heather and well i guess they have stuff in common they have a trans child in common right they both have a try yes i think that's that's probably that probably that would be a big bonding thing because my first thing is like these two are friends but i guess that would be a big a pretty

1:15:49Ben Mandelker: big bonding moment huh i just have memories of them having a huge fight uh were they in mexico were they in guatemala no they were in mexico right like i just remember i just oh they just

1:16:00Ronnie Karam: never quite got along but i can yeah i can't imagine these two as friends but i guess that

1:16:05Ben Mandelker: would that would bond you you know they were in mexico that's where alexis said she wanted to go the city of Guatemala, I believe.

1:16:14Ben Mandelker: Because Alexis had said on that vacation that she brought her fake wedding ring because she keeps her real one in the vault, and Heather was outraged by that or something like that. I don't know.

1:16:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I just remember it was never good with those two. So Emily is starting to make a small talk with Alexis, and Heather's like, well, you've had a lot of life changes, Alexis. And Emily's like, well, let me just ask you, can I ask you about the ring that John got you? and then we see a split screen with the ring and it says hashtag not engaged hashtag promised alexis really is a fucking asshole alexis and john jansen are such assholes for this they behave like absolute fucking monsters on social media and alexis has been a monster for

1:16:55Ben Mandelker: so long we just sort of have forgotten about it but she has been an asshole like that was always her thing she was such an asshole so alexis the producers i love them they start playing this sort of like seductive music. November 18th is the day that John Jansen walked into my life. I met John at The Quiet Woman. Shannon does not own The Quiet Woman. I've been going there for over two decades, but anywho, John walks in and ends up sitting in my booth and we just tried to fight the feelings, but like after week two, John and I knew that was it.

1:17:26Ronnie Karam: I don't know, Shannon. I'm not friends with Shannon. And unfortunately, your heart wants what it wants. And here we are. So take us early,

1:17:33Ben Mandelker: of ours um emily can i ask you something emily's like yeah this is gonna be hard for me because i you know i don't want to come in with you like right now but like i like we probably should have a conversation on the phone because like i heard the podcast you do with timra and we have the podcast of two teas in a pod a tim like hey so someone wrote a story about john dom's gonna be filming and emily's basically like yeah john's a douche john's a big doucher

1:18:04Ronnie Karam: unfortunately it really hurt my feelings emily like where did you get your information about john with shannon did you like go out with him and she's like um i was there i've been there around john i've been there for three years and then we see a flashback of john being like uh fuck them fuck gina who does gina think the fuck she is fuck her she's not your friend you're

1:18:26Ben Mandelker: done with her we're done with her yeah well that was a private conversation that johnny was having with his girlfriend at the time standing up for her so i really don't appreciate you calling him

1:18:36Ronnie Karam: a doucher for that it's like well you don't understand for three years santa's been telling me nothing except that she pays for everything he takes advantage of her she goes oh do you just trust a drunk who just got a dui do you trust her opinion i mean she's drunk dewey she got a dewey

1:18:55Ben Mandelker: not to be confused with the Johnny. I got a Johnny. She got a Dewey. So I'm like, whoa. So Heather's like, you know, the only thing I worry about for you as my friend is it's fast. It's fast. As in these words are coming at you fast. I don't know if you're following along. Do you still understand words, Alexis?

1:19:14Ronnie Karam: Something Alexis, like just all I ask is that you just give him a chance. And when you get to know him, you're going to love him as much as I do. He's my Johnny J. That's what I call him. That's my Johnny J.

1:19:25Ben Mandelker: Heather's like, oh, yeah, wow, that Johnny J rebrand is mildly epic. Yeah, he's my Johnny J. So Heather goes, I don't think I've heard a better rebrand since Mayo went to Aeoli. You guys got that, right? Mayo went to Aeoli. It's relatable. It's funny. It's content.

1:19:47Ronnie Karam: Everyone's going to get that in the flyover countries. It's me, relatable, Heather Dubrow.

1:19:55Ben Mandelker: a-o leaf

1:19:59Ronnie Karam: good wait can i ask you a question how do you feel about seeing shannon at her party and she's like um here's the thing i have no oil i just want to squash the elephant in the room i'm gonna squash

1:20:07Ben Mandelker: it please uh tell the elephant let's leave the elephant alone i'm just gonna you know what i want to discuss the beef in the room and squash the elephant okay

1:20:21Ronnie Karam: and they're like shannon's gonna freak out and she's like well i'm not gonna play into her spiraling okay i'm not gonna play into it so um emily's just looking at her like who the fuck is this person like i'm used to trash on this show but this is extra trashy you know

1:20:39Ben Mandelker: so now shannon goes to see her lawyer mike and she's like i i'm so uh mike i still struggle with everything that happened. I mean, you know, it took me three hours to walk here to this office. And he's like, well, you know what? We learned from these things, right? Legally, professionally. Well, you learn, I capitalize. But anyway, you know, if you successfully complete probation, we could petition the court, you know? She's like, yes, but there's a part of me that wants to accept responsibility for what John Jansen did to me that night by angering me so much.

1:21:09Ronnie Karam: So I don't want to get any special favors. That would be terrible. Please get this off my record. That would be great. He's like, well, you know, all you have to do is successfully complete probation. That's something you and everyone else has a right to petition the court for. And by the way, give me that card. I'm going to stamp it. You get a free ice cream today, Shannon. You have been here so many times.

1:21:32Ben Mandelker: I just, I want to know if they throw away my case, will they also throw away the case of Diet Cokes that Sophie brought into the household? Because I am not in favor of those.

1:21:44Ronnie Karam: I had to go to an alcohol school that lasts for nine months, and I have now learned the difference between an espresso martini and a chocolate martini. Both are somewhat delicious, but empty calories.

1:21:57Ben Mandelker: Also, I've learned that there is a very important distinction between an express martini and an espresso martini. An express martini is something you try to chuck down quickly and drive home before it kicks in. You got to be careful.

1:22:09Ronnie Karam: And then I'll be doing 40 hours of community service at my church. That does not count, ma 'am. How are you guys letting her serve her community service at her easy fucking church? I'm doing a quote unquote because this is a Shannon Bedore church. I'm not even sure what the hell kind of church this is. No, you need to get your ass out there on the freeway and pick up some Bette Midler trash. You need to clean up the streets, the freeways for Bette Midler. She earned this.

1:22:40Ben Mandelker: Excuse me. I am doing hard work community service. did you not see my one-woman show, Shannon Does Christmas? Well, I was the Virgin Mary, and I was Jesus. Okay, here's a scene from it. Oh my god, I am tired. I need to stop at this hotel. Um, excuse me, do you have any rooms available? No? Okay, but that's fine. You can just put me back on a pile of hay. Just discard me in the back. Oh, you were, oh, okay. Oh, you really are gonna put me on the hay. That's fine. That's fine. I'll be back here. Well, guess what? I'm pregnant. i guess it was just me being the virgin mary oh here we go couldn't talk at that time so ah i'm born i'm born and i'm gonna bring diet coke to

1:23:19Ronnie Karam: the world so mike's like shannon if you're in the position where you can see another person who shouldn't drive and you share your story or you somehow stop them from driving, all of a sudden, it'll all be worth something. Or if I can get people to be inspired, not to trigger people when they're in a car that they don't know how fast the car could go if they slam on the gas, if they're very angry about it, then hopefully I could save horrible men from doing that to innocent women.

1:23:55Ben Mandelker: Shannon, why are you making that tapping sound with your foot? Sorry, I'm just invisibly revving my engine to show that I'm mad. But I'm being responsible because I'm sober. So this car will not drop. This desk will not drive forward. She does. Shanna does the thing where she goes, I would never drink and drive. I would never do that. I'm like.

1:24:16Ronnie Karam: You literally did it. You literally did it. And you know, Shanna's pissed off that this whole season is about her drunk driving and not finally being at her goal weight. because shannon's shannon's plot line for years has been being insecure and trying to get back to her goal weight and going to the gym and having trainers be mean to her on camera and she finally gets to her goal weight and no one even mentions it because we all have to talk about her being drunk you know it's like it's a why so unfair uh so um she says i just i i i feel like my whole

1:24:49Ben Mandelker: life is starting over so i just gotta keep moving forward uh which unfortunately was what got me into this mess in the first place. Just more slowly.

1:24:57Ronnie Karam: I'm moving forward more slowly and not into things. I'm now moving forward and around.

1:25:03Ben Mandelker: The key is to move forward and not forward and to the side. You know, when they say you really need to stay in your lane, I really understand that now.

1:25:12Ronnie Karam: It's literal. It is literal. So now we cut to Tamara and her daughter, everybody. Welcome, Sophia, back to the show. Welcome back. the biggest return since lydia so tamara's like you look nervous i'm shocked that you're doing

1:25:30Ben Mandelker: this because you got a few needles are you nervous she's like thanks for reminding me mom thanks mom so tamara's like so where are you gonna get your tattoo she's like i'm thinking of my elbow she's like yeah well what if you mean the guy who's like i don't like tattoos on the arm I don't do those people exist in our town

1:25:50Ronnie Karam: I don't like tattoos on the arm what if you meet one of those guys what are you going to do without a man and she's like I don't give a fuck she goes oh hey watch the language watch your fucking language you little trashy bitch she's like I don't care I don't care mother

1:26:03Ben Mandelker: I think the tattoo on the arm will be less of an issue than having Tamara as your mother that'll be the bigger deal breaker

1:26:10Ronnie Karam: yeah that's a tattoo like on your forehead

1:26:13Ben Mandelker: you know what I mean so tamra says that she basically says for 10 years uh simon wouldn't allow sophia to appear on on camera but she's actually been living in the household all that time and now ta-da sophia's back as you mentioned um and tamra tries it she's like so have you talked to dad at all

1:26:31Ronnie Karam: she goes i'm not talking about dad mom well you need to teach me how to do that winged eyeliner thing that you do that you know the thing that makes it look like you have wings she goes take out a fucking eyebrow pencil and you fucking do it what the fuck is wrong with you fucking moron yeah she's just like a very

1:26:51Ben Mandelker: kind soul and like clearly i'm not like that bitch like she's such a good kid i don't know where the

1:26:55Ronnie Karam: hell it came from bitch and then we see clips of tamra just being like fuck you fuck you all over

1:27:01Ben Mandelker: the screen all over so they go to the tattoo shop and you know uh tamra's talking about how like at first the tattoos on ryan really bother her but now she just wants her kids to be able to express themselves like actually i think i could do with a little less expression from ryan okay yeah i

1:27:19Ronnie Karam: buzzed ryan yeah ryan needs to not express himself any further okay ryan needs to keep his expression to the 4chan you know board corner that yes he had to talk with uh bria brianna's uh husband also i love sophia's fuck you attitude towards tamra i think it's so refreshing and um i love it it's like karma in teenage form i think it's so cute but um her moon tattoo is so basic it's making me rethink sophia it's like what are you gonna do now that you're finally getting a tattoo above your arm i want a moon just in case i forget what that thing is in the sky i can be like oh yeah

1:27:59Ben Mandelker: It's a moon

1:28:00Ronnie Karam: On the other hand, I do like that it's kind of Solidarity with Shannon, Tamara's enemy Because Dr. Moon So never mind, I've rethinked that, Soph

1:28:09Ben Mandelker: So Tamara's like Okay, I want to get a tattoo also This is how I'm expressing myself Alright, I want a 111 angel numbers Because every time I see 111 I always make the same wish That maybe one day Sydney will come home, bitch

1:28:23Ronnie Karam: Every time a bell rings It's because There's an angel ambulance about to pick it up Because I broke that fucking bitch's wings Okay Put one one one on here So Sophia She goes I was making a sandwich One day your sister Sydney Who hates me talking about her on television Sydney Sydney Sydney I can't wait for Sydney My daughter who won't speak to me on television Will come home Sydney Sydney Sydney Mom stop saying Sydney Here's Sydney's picture, everybody. This is Sydney. Have you seen Sydney? Man, Tamara really just gonna piss this girl off more and more every year.

1:29:11Ben Mandelker: Mom, why are you doing the E.T. song again? Sydney phone home. Sydney phone home. Mom, stop getting to that bicycle. Take that towel off your head, Mom.

1:29:20Ronnie Karam: No, Sydney. Every night, I leave a trail of Reese's Pieces. Coming from the cul-de-sac. All the way through the front door. Why are you trying to get Sydney to come back? No, I just want Shannon to crawl over here so I can hit her over the head with an absolute bobbling collar and idiot for getting a DUI.

1:29:40Ben Mandelker: Stupid bitch! Sometimes when Shannon comes over, I hide in your closet, Sophie, with all your stuffed animals and see if Shannon can figure out which one is me.

1:29:51Ronnie Karam: She always gets confused between me and the real baby doll. What were those real babies that they have? Remember when Tamara got one? She's like, I'm going to be pregnant.

1:30:03Ben Mandelker: So we're just fusing all the stories together. E.T., backstories of Orange County. It's going to be like Kelly Dodd in there. Why am I in this closet? You're a dork. You're a dork.

1:30:16Ronnie Karam: So actually, I had, you know, we used to make ringers for Patreon. We used to have like ringers in our housewives voices and stuff. and one of them was Leanne. When Leanne went through her, like, I'm a good person now because I go to, I go to like naturopaths and stuff and she had the sound bowl and she would just go, I'm at peace now. Nobody can make me mad. Dong. And so I made a text ring for her. So it was dong. And that's been my text ring ever since. I mean, ever since Dallas was on. Yeah. But it's so loud. I recorded it so loud and it makes everybody crazy. And when it goes off in the car, it's like dong and you'll crash your car, you know?

1:30:52Ronnie Karam: so i just went through there and i switched it to whichever one i didn't even pay attention i just had to switch it and now it's you're a dork you're a dork you're a dork

1:31:04Ben Mandelker: well i would like it if we had an et stuffed animal setup with tamra in the middle and you have like leanne and kelly and then just like you know like yogi bear something the wall of faces

1:31:15Ronnie Karam: It's just all the housewives. That's so funny.

1:31:19Ben Mandelker: Oh, gosh. Okay, we're deranged. Kids, it's been 10 hours. We're still doing it. Should I go back to my one-woman tale of Christmas?

1:31:31Ronnie Karam: Yes, I didn't even have anything to add to that.

1:31:33Ben Mandelker: I was just like, that was a 10 out of 10. I shouldn't be doing this. This is my religion. I've crossed the line. No, I was into it. You're just like a kid again. You're back at church watching the show. Oh, yeah.

1:31:47Ronnie Karam: So Tamara's like, I'm so happy that you and Spencer are so close. Did you ever think that you guys would be that close? She's like, no, Spencer's a fucking loser. I hated him when I was younger. What a fucking idiot. She's like, yeah. But unfortunately, Sydney's on Simon's side. She didn't speak to us. It's so difficult. It's like a child's dead, but you're still alive, but they're dead too.

1:32:10Ben Mandelker: And Sophia's like, Mom, I'm not your therapist, okay? keep these thoughts in your head and talk about them to your therapist i loved that it was like mom i'm trying to enjoy my my moon tattoo okay so now we go to gina's house so gina and travis sit down and they're talking about like this situation and moving the house and like obviously travis wants to stay together he's like you know we've spent all you know four and a half years trying to build this nucleus of a family and like it's awesome but like you're you're like whether you think you're doing this or not you're pulling apart this this family sorry i'm like burping into the microphone it's disgusting but it's sort of like a reaction i have to gino scenes anyway

1:32:50Ronnie Karam: so um yeah he's like you're breaking this family apart but you gotta move out trans and she says you know her kids have been through so much since her divorce but as a parent you have to do things that don't feel good because you know it's in the best interest of everybody even when it hurts and she's like you know i'm a huge businesswoman now

1:33:11Ben Mandelker: because of carat gala and i gotta think about the yet yeah and so he basically is like no i don't um i don't want to go right but she's just saying no this is what we have to do so sort of sad uh

1:33:27Ronnie Karam: it's not really explained except that he's in a weird relationship um but i'm i'm very curious

1:33:33Ben Mandelker: it's definitely has my curiosity i will say this if you don't know the backstory so my mindset was because i didn't know the backstory i knew he had like issues with his ex but i i thought like you know it's kind of shitty because they both have brought lots of baggage from their previous relationships and she dumped a lot of her baggage on him and now it's like she's like he has baggage and she's like peace out which i thought was shitty but now that you told the backstory i'm like what probably is is that this ex is sounds like she i don't i don't know it's it's a messy situation and the kids sounds like the kids are maybe getting dragged into it and gina's like no

1:34:10Ronnie Karam: gotta protect the kids gotta get them out of here well i mean i see what you're saying but like we like looked at gina last year all the seasons she's been with travis and she obviously doesn't have chemistry with travis i mean everybody it's kind of a common thing that people comment on on the show it's a common thing that people comment on on this show there's not really any chemistry there and especially when you see her back around matt you know and all the drama that went with matt they obviously still have some kind of chemistry i mean they've been friends for years and so you see her with and i'm not saying she should be back with matt or anything like that i'm not a monster but you know you you see the difference is what i'm saying so i don't think anyone's shocked that it's not really working out and she did meet him when she was really down i mean she was going through it and he he does act kind of as her therapist and her sounding board and all of that and maybe now yeah it's like she's a little healed and she's ready to kind of fly the nest fly the coop fly the nest stay tuned everyone now back to more um i have to say it's the most interesting gene has ever been and who whoever knew that it would be from dumping that but i'm

1:35:13Ben Mandelker: curious we'll see so um now we go that now it's time to get ready for heather's luncheon so tamra is tamra's getting ready um over tamra's getting ready at her place and she's like uh she's like tells eddie that shannon's gonna be there he's like shannon's gonna be there like how you gonna handle it just i'll be carjester and that's it bitch because it's not a good relationship honestly it's very toxic you married you married three mile island what are you talking about toxic come on you married silkwood can we get the fuck over it

1:35:51Ronnie Karam: you married also you're toxic fucking talking shit about a woman all the time eddie just shut up Okay, just be quiet So Shannon is like Oh, I brought a dress that's a little tight Whoop, whoop Look at me trying to be in this dress I'm walking Shannon I can't fit Anybody going to laugh at this? Well, this is fun doing a scene basically by myself

1:36:15Ben Mandelker: I decided to go Because I am not going to appear weak Okay, although I do believe My immune system has been weakened by the excessive amounts Of Diet Cokes in my house But that's a different story

1:36:25Ronnie Karam: The only thing weak in this house is that house that I clipped. I mean, it fell apart like a fucking loser. I mean, get it together.

1:36:34Ben Mandelker: Oh, but am I looking forward to it? No. No. Would I rather get a root canal? Yes. Yes. But I actually schedule root canals every year because I believe that there are beneficial aspects to it for your whole body. Never mind. I'm just going to move forward. or Diet Coke's the worst thing in the world.

1:36:56Ronnie Karam: Oh, gosh. And of course, everybody's going to want to know. Ooh, Shannon. Ooh, Alexis. Ooh, Shannon. I love that Shannon has been a housewife long enough to kind of enjoy the fact that she gets the center square this year. You know, she gets the center orange, and she knows the whole party's going to be about her. She's getting all dolled up for it while saying that she doesn't want to go. So then we cut to everybody getting ready. Jen's with Ryan. And she's like, well, I mean, I feel like I'm okay with everybody. maybe not gina i mean i didn't get a text back from gina but i don't really know what's going on with her so we cut to gina and um uh gina says that she's talking to her dog right and she's

1:37:34Ben Mandelker: saying that she's gonna be bringing her friend katie who's the new cast member so this is katie's way in is through gina which is weird it's weird because what we later find out is that katie is friends with sutton strack who is like one of the wealthiest people on beverly hills and yet she's coming into orange county through one of the poorest people on the cast although now only second for us so congratulations you know you moved up the ladder um katie looks familiar right has she been on tv before i wonder she does look familiar i immediately liked her by the way i just want to say i i feel like she has um she has disdain and i appreciate that like it just it's it just oozes out of her and i just i love a disdainful cast member well i read in an article

1:38:21Ronnie Karam: I read a headline. I didn't read the article. Who am I kidding? But the headline said that Heather calls Katie Noella 2.5 or 1.5 or something like that. Perfect.

1:38:33Ben Mandelker: So then Tamra says that Alexis Bellino's going to the party. And he's like, what? He's like, so you guys are in a good spot. She's like, yeah, we were in Las Vegas at BravoCon. And we made up and we talked. And we realized we don't have to like each other. We just have to both go against Shannon. And it worked.

1:38:52Ronnie Karam: And he's like, don't get too close to Jesus jokes, honey, okay? I don't trust her.

1:38:57Ben Mandelker: Who does he want her to get close to? Every single season, it's like, don't talk to her. She's not good for you.

1:39:03Ronnie Karam: I know, but Tamara's the one ruining everybody's lives at all times. Yeah. God, I want an enabler. I just need an enabler. Why do I have to know such fucking honest people? So anyway, Emily and Alexis are driving over, and Emily's like, wait. what's going on Alexis and Alexis is like um I need to have an espresso martini actually she said espresso properly which I was shocked I have to give her credit for that but she's like I need an espresso um because uh I had a sleepover last night and Emily's like oh god because you had sex with John so many times oh did I mention the anal sex uh alluding scene I shot with Shane earlier

1:39:44Ben Mandelker: hilarious he's a theragun and alexis is like yeah we had a lot of yeah you know johnny johnny jay is so good at it so then we go to uh gina picking up katie and um katie says um i met gina because i was talking to my friend sudden about moving to orange county and she said yeah my friend gina's an agent down there you should really reach out and then she laughed and laughed and laughed and then she said i'm sorry i'm sorry go on you were talking about something and then i started to speak. And she goes, I'm sorry. I keep on laughing. It's so rude of me. That's how I first heard about Gina.

1:40:18Ronnie Karam: And Katie's like, so we met up and had coffee, and I just love Gina's zest. I guess you could say for life.

1:40:29Ben Mandelker: Also, she had a six-pack of zest soap on the table. She said she just picked it up from Walgreens.

1:40:34Ronnie Karam: Tell me you've hardly ever talked to Gina without telling me you've ever heard it. I just really loved her zest.

1:40:46Ronnie Karam: zest it's literally the only thing she could afford on the menu she went to a coffee shop

1:40:52Ben Mandelker: she said i don't want an espresso i just want a zest just get the just the zest on the side please so then gina's like gina's excited she's talking to basically the pa who's driving the car she's like oh my god colleen colleen this is katie she's my friend i got a friend colleen i got a friend And Colleen's like, please shut up. I'm trying to listen to my book on tape in my ear.

1:41:15Ronnie Karam: And Gina's like, I like this. She's young. She's my age. 39 girlfriend, not 59. Shut up, Gina. You're going to be there soon enough, okay? She's like, I just want to live in my youth a little longer. You live in a two-bedroom with six children. It's over, okay? Your youth is gone. Just say bye to it.

1:41:33Ben Mandelker: How is Kristen Doty older than both of these women? It's just blowing my mind. so now Gina is like I'm gonna warn you Shannon had dated this guy named John Jansen and they broke up so there's this other woman and I don't know her her name is Alexis and they started dating and they're like they went from zero to ten hundred and like Shannon's gonna be there today and like so was Alexis and Katie's like wow I guess this is newbie hazing huh hashtag zest

1:42:03Ronnie Karam: so then back to Alexis and Emily Alexis is like so can you fill me in on shannon's headspace please oh man i don't know i don't know if

1:42:13Ben Mandelker: anybody could fill you in on what's going on in shannon's head and uh shannon's just like with pamela um uh just uh excuse me um okay so i know i said i don't want a diet coke but could you just put one just just step it right in my dress just in case i need it just right there on the side It won't stick out, Pamela.

1:42:33Ronnie Karam: And Shannon's in full-on wacky Shannon mode. She's like, I don't want ricos on my dress. Ooh, I'm going to stand like this, like a board. I'm standing like a board. I do not want ricos. Pamela, look. Pamela, look, I'm not moving, Pamela. And it just cuts to Pamela fully on, full-on ignoring her.

1:42:49Ben Mandelker: I know. Alexis is like, you know what? I'm going in with an open heart and an open mind. And, like, I hope Shannon can too. Because I don't know what I'm walking into. i just i just imagine an old lady who's depressed and lost the best man she could have ever gotten

1:43:04Ronnie Karam: in her life it's just it could be a weird reaction so then um we hear a song we yeah we lit yeah we lit yeah we lit yeah we lit yeah we lit yeah we lit and then we go to balboa bay and heather's

1:43:20Ben Mandelker: we're prepping for the party we're gonna party till out the sun come up and just like a heather luncheon so heather's like um i know some people and emily think i'm crazy about party details but this party there's no logos no initials no cucumbers and no sand the only thing i do have is an aioli station so that way more people get my jokes in the future

1:43:45Ronnie Karam: so people start arriving and heather meets katie she's like satan says great things about you i'm possibly going to be on her show. So, nice to meet you for now. I'll probably know you for about six more minutes before the producers call and move me to Beverly Hills. Go ahead. Try to have a scene.

1:44:04Ben Mandelker: I believe we're going to be doing what this is. This is sort of it's like a special trade, you know. Beverly Hills sends someone down to Orange County, and Orange County sends someone up to Beverly Hills. So, it was nice to meet you, but I'm most assuredly going to the real house in Beverly Hills now.

1:44:20Ronnie Karam: So, Katie's like, I've met Heather before very briefly, but this is the first time she said hello back.

1:44:30That's...

1:44:30Ben Mandelker: Oh my god. The DeBros really know how to do a party. There's like lots of stations, like a lot of stations. And we see that there's like a tarot card reader and a permanent jewelry thing and a wishing wall. And there's like a lot of instructions and like things that you have to do at a head of DeBros party. I'm like, I think I'd like it better than a Gina gina party where it's just like three streamers and a bowl of punch at a house that you borrowed

1:44:57Ronnie Karam: from your friend hawking carabella this is like listen at my parties you know there's a slide everyone could go down because it's a public park i mean it's as simple as you can get so um heather's

1:45:11Ben Mandelker: like okay everyone guest attendees at this fabulous carefree and casual party every lady gets three wishes and they will be revealed later. And the wish that's the most wishiest gets to be a servant in my house. Okay, go to it.

1:45:29Ronnie Karam: I just want to announce before we do it, no one is getting the third gate code to my community.

1:45:36Ben Mandelker: Oh, look, I have a wish right here. It says, I wish to have Richard Marks perform a song in my basement. Well, ladies, you're in luck. Please follow me into the kitchen where Richard Marks is not only making fajitas, but also ready to sing a beautiful ballad to you. Thank you.

1:45:53Ronnie Karam: Gina is also dressed like a flesh-colored thing that comes over you on the roller coaster, like to keep you strapped in. I forget what those things are called. Like a safety bar. She looks crazy. She looks like a Band-Aid. And she's trying to be bitchy, which Gina's always funny to me when she tries to be bitchy, because, I don't know, it just doesn't work like catty. You know what I mean? It's just like trying to be funny and catty, but it never works. She's like, who did Jim bring? I don't know any of Jen's friends. It's like, ooh, this. Got her. You got her, Gina. So then she tells us the story about why she hates Jen now.

1:46:29Ronnie Karam: So she gets a call over the summer from Jen. I need your help. Thank you in advance. Thank you. Because I need to be out of my house in a week. Thank you. And then it cuts to Jen at the tarot card reader table. And the tarot card person told her things were changing for the good. And she goes, so I helped her. But then I get CC'd on all these emails about her falling behind on a rent. And that's stressful for me because I vouch for her.

1:46:53Ben Mandelker: As a new real estate agent, any negative press is bad. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, Gina, that you might be getting some bad press on your new real estate agent job while Jen is getting evicted from her house and is looking for a roof for her kids. I mean, Gina spends years talking about the struggle of having to do what you have to do for your kids. and then someone else is in the exact same position and she's like, oh my god. I'm getting emails about it. I don't like that. I hate her now. I was like, what happened to your empathy, Gina?

1:47:24Ronnie Karam: So then Jen comes over to Gina and wants to meet Katie and she's like, I don't even know if Jen is aware that there's an issue. And she's like, this isn't the time of play. She's like, what am I supposed to do? Say, oh, Jen, can you pass a crab leg? How's your eviction going?

1:47:42Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I think this is so shitty of Gina. And I also think that this is totally in line with her pattern of that she really does take things from friendships. But then when she is required to give something back, she's just out of there. And she actually resents people who need her in those moments.

1:47:58Ronnie Karam: You know, people often, this is one of those where people are like, why are you so mean to Gina? Like, what did Gina ever do? Gina's an asshole. She's not a nice person. She's a terrible friend and she's an asshole and she's a hypocrite. And this is a perfect example of it. She's like poor shaming somebody after her whole storyline for seasons has been about poor gene has to do everything on her own and then and here's someone going through a divorce and having to deal with all of this and and also a horrible man which you should also be able to identify with and you're just kicking them while they're down you're a head you're not a nice girl okay yeah i i think

1:48:33Ben Mandelker: it's i think it's like really i mean she literally like one of the one of the riffs between her and shannon was because shannon made some comment about the size of gino's house and gino was furious about it and like that was a wedge between them and now here's gina like like if anything if you have a client if you help place a client aren't you going to try to help them out so that way they could be future business down the road especially if you know you're on a show together

1:48:57Ronnie Karam: etc etc i just think it's just really really shitty yeah so then um tamra gets a hole in her pantyhose. And Heather's like, do you want me to send someone out for a hose? That is hilarious. I said hoe. Me, Heather Dubrow, I've said hoe twice this episode. I learned it. I learned it on Instagram.

1:49:19Ben Mandelker: Hey, what is a prostitute's favorite condiment? A-holy.

1:49:25Ronnie Karam: No, a-holy. Get it? Get it, everybody?

1:49:30Ben Mandelker: No, I said a-holy. Did I say it too quickly? Yes. well maybe next time people there he is listen to what the hostess says oh it's this oh my god another one two for one oh it's this except i'm not a hoe speaking of holy have you seen my one

1:49:48Ronnie Karam: man um nativity scene oh god not now not now shannon what if i said that there was a part

1:49:56Ben Mandelker: available for you in it well uh have you spoken to my agent about it yet please check my imdb

1:50:03Ronnie Karam: is taylor armstrong attached oh god not again okay so um alexis and tamra are like hugging and alexis like tamra barney oh my gosh have we had our downside yes and then we see get the fuck out of my cup fitness opening that cup fitness opening where tamra's acting so snotty and king of the world when the floor was slanted it was not a slant and she's like you know what have we shit on each other yes and we see it's tamra being like but you know what i'm so thankful

1:50:40Ben Mandelker: for our friendship now and she's just patented you know she just patented these boobs jesus jugs and like thank you very much because they are beautiful aren't they look look at my beautiful boobs and you know alexis is like shaking her boobs and showing them up and everything very proud of them um as she should be so now um they're all just like schmoozing and talking and joking and they're getting espresso martinis and things like that. And Emily is drinking hers and everything. And now they start talking about Shannon. And Heather's like, well, Shannon said she doesn't drink anymore. Oh, really?

1:51:11Ben Mandelker: Because she told me she has a maximum of two drinks a day. And Tamara's like, per hour? Two drinks per hour, get it?

1:51:19Ronnie Karam: Get it? So they all cheers each other and laugh. And mock Shannon. And Emily, they have put, like, stickers in the drink that say the year or something, and they taste like crap. So Emily spits it out. She's like, ooh. And so then we go to Shannon arriving. And she's like, well, after my DUI, I've really kept a close circle around me, mostly of seatbelts. Because I learned to wear those. Those are important. Who knew? Airbags. Real close circle of airbags.

1:51:57Ben Mandelker: You know, those things come out very, very quickly. I keep a very close circle around me, mainly a steering wheel that's wedged on my foot.

1:52:07Ben Mandelker: Specifically, it's a circle, and it's a raft around my foot.

1:52:10Ronnie Karam: I don't know where everyone stands with me at this point, but I do know people will probably be judging me. But I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid!

1:52:21Ben Mandelker: Pamela, you walk in first, because I just want to see how they react to you first.

1:52:24Ronnie Karam: I'm going to walk behind you. Be bigger. Be bigger. Put your arms out.

1:52:29Ben Mandelker: Hey, why don't you just go in there and say, I'm Shannon, and see if they throw any hard-boiled eggs at you.

1:52:36Ronnie Karam: So they watch her walk in, and Gina's like, I can't help you. I always feel beautiful. And Shannon, meanwhile, they have one of those 360 things where you stand on it, and the camera goes around you really fast.

1:52:51Ben Mandelker: But, of course, it's a Heather Dubrow party. so she puts it outside on like the balcony where it's completely backlit so shannon does the i'm having fun i'm on a 360 and we see the 360 and it's just like this shitty backdrop and it's just a shadow it's just like all shannon also wet it because the sun is blaring right into the 360s

1:53:09Ronnie Karam: also the woman just got a dui can we not try to make her dizzy right off the bat like this show is so bully oh i feel like i'm back in the car again so um now you know it's like a lot of small talk and emily talking you know them talking about how hot alexis is and like how it sucks watching john leave shannon for someone so hot and emily's like yeah like i won't leave shane because he'd go for some 25 year old shane is not gonna get a 25 year old he's gonna get a 25 year

1:53:42Ben Mandelker: old ottoman at best okay this is not the only thing 25 about shane is his latest costco shirt yeah he is not pulling 25 year olds okay um so anyway people come in you know gina's doing a role i feel bad that's like her other thing too she's obnoxious then because i just feel bad so shannon um gina's saying that she just feels uncomfortable for shannon she's like well i don't care like i'm out of my relationship with john jansen and i'm i'm grateful that i'm out of it hold on one second i think he may be calling nope it's literally no one calling on my phone Not anyone, not a child

1:54:19Ronnie Karam: Not John Jansen So she tells Katie, she's like, I got a DUI And that has just been the most humiliating Shameful I've literally been in the darkest Time that I've ever been in And I think this had to happen for me to literally Cut it clean and never go back Never go back, hold on, I have a text It might be John It wasn't, that wasn't even my text Whose was that? Please turn your ringers off

1:54:42Ben Mandelker: Shannon, you just picked up A dinner roll Oh, you know, you were absolutely right, it wasn't even a phone so uh yeah shannon's like it was just the darkest time it was i don't think you understand the sadness of the situation katie's like well i did have to have a one-on-one with gina before i came on the show oh you know what i i'm sorry you're you are going through something a little have you been to her house yet no then shut up katie you're new here

1:55:09Ben Mandelker: so gina's like well i mean look you look great you you know you're obviously making good changes He goes, thank you. I am trying. And I'm like, yeah, you look really good. So all that matters is that she looks good right now, I guess.

1:55:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Tina's like, you know, I never want anything bad for you, even though I just said it's an eye for an eye and calm a bitch, you know. And Tina's like, well, you know, you and I had some really good fun times together. I just, I hope we can go there again. Yeah, until she betrayed you and ran over you and left fucking tire marks on your back for literally no reason. Please stay away.

1:55:44Ben Mandelker: and gina's like oh go ahead no i was just i was thinking that like fun times good times are like children and we had to protect them i just wish there was like a cps for fun times you know oh did i i i'm sorry gina i should not i i promise i would never say that again

1:56:06Ronnie Karam: wow where's he going called on me when i got my dui quicker than child protective services would have been called by literally anybody had I not saved your ass that morning.

1:56:16Ben Mandelker: Oh, that's too bad CPS can't be called on John Jansen because last time I checked, he was the child here.

1:56:26Ronnie Karam: Wow, I haven't had to call that lawyer since I saved your ass that time you got a DUI. That was a fun time. So bonding. Hope we can go to lunch soon.

1:56:35Ben Mandelker: Does anyone want to hear my one woman nativity scene? It's getting kind of awkward in here. I brought Jesus, incense, and myrrh.

1:56:46Ronnie Karam: More than David ever brought me, I'd like to add up. So Gina's like, okay, but you know, last year really drew me for a whoop. And she's like, I apologize for any and everything that I ever did to hurt you, Gina. And Gina goes, what? Thank you. She goes, because I do not want to hurt people, even stupid poor ones who don't appreciate all the help and support I've given them in the past.

1:57:12Ben Mandelker: I literally can't believe this is happening. Honestly, I never expected Shannon to apologize to me, and I don't even know what to do with this. Wait, I have an idea. I'll use it against her for the rest of the season. Okay, great.

1:57:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I would love to know why Shannon's apologizing to you, because I certainly don't remember her ever having a reason to. Do you?

1:57:31Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm taking the 12 steps these days. Not the program. I'm just taking 12 steps to get to the beach and go, Slot! Slot! And then I take 12 steps and go back inside.

1:57:40Ronnie Karam: I'm taking one step for every dollar Gina has in her purse.

1:57:47Ronnie Karam: Okay, so...

1:57:52Ben Mandelker: So... It's not great. It's not great.

1:57:57Ronnie Karam: All right, well, we'll talk later, Gina. I've spent enough time on you. Okay, Shannon, you're forgiving kind of me. Okay, God, that was so brave. Good for you. So Now Shannon's like I'm going to have a conversation with Alexis Smelly Eno okay so Wish me luck so she's like Hello Alexis and Alexis Like yeah and then John Stood on his head and we still Made out he's got such good balance Sorry for interrupting You Alexis is like regaling Regaling with John Tails

1:58:32Ben Mandelker: So they're going to go have this conversation and she's like, should I do it outside? And he goes, yeah, but do it in good lighting though. So they go outside and they're going outside and they want to go in the shades. They're pulling a table to the shade. This is so funny

1:58:49Ronnie Karam: how they're like resetting the scene. Shannon's like, we are not going to stand in the sun. I've had to put up with enough this year. We are moving it. Anybody going to move the table? Nobody? Nobody's going to help. Well, thanks a lot, production. Pamela? Pamela, you want to? No? Okay. Okay. Well, I guess.

1:59:04Ben Mandelker: I will be dragging this table over Okay, okay, Alexis So, Alexis, would you please stop moving? What? You know what? She is running around She's taunting me in a circle Uh, you're just looking at the 360 You're right That's not Alexis

1:59:22Ronnie Karam: So, Alexis goes, oh, God, we should go into this shade. This is probably going to be a long conversation. Well, I don't think so. I don't. Meanwhile, all the ladies are gathering at the window. They're like, oh, my God. Why did they go so far away? I can't even see it, bitch.

1:59:38Ben Mandelker: They're like, they're like, they're like pressed up against the leftmost window of the room. Just trying to get like a glimpse of Alexis's elbow. So funny. so uh shannon's like okay so hey um i don't want to like get into a deep conversation with you um but there are a couple of things that i would like to say i have been upset that you were involved in the lawsuit where your husband sued me and as a single mom for three years i don't want to tear up i don't want to tear up okay i feel it i feel moisture on my cheeks oh you know what that was the diet coke from earlier Ah, delicious, actually.

2:00:16Ronnie Karam: No seconds, really? As a mother who has played Jesus and Mary, I would just like to say that for three years being single and a mother, it has been so difficult being a single and a mother. And for you to lawsuit me as a mother who is single, how dare you? How dare you? Meanwhile, you just see Tamara's nostrils up against a window. and she's like, I lost$300 ,000 defending myself for something that I didn't even do. I didn't even do. And you, you started the lawsuit by sending me a cease and desist letter. So in my eyes, you are part of it, Alexis. Alexis is just looking at her like,

2:00:56Ben Mandelker: what? I can be in a room with you, but just, here's this. I will, here's a cease and insist that I am not interested in being best buddies and I hope you can understand that. Ha!

2:01:12Ronnie Karam: Here's a piece and a list. I don't know what that means, but it sounded good. Please do not try to be my friend any further. I will not be friends with you.

2:01:22Ben Mandelker: Here is a crease and I insist that Pamela get out here and iron it real quickly. Do you have a steamer, anyone?

2:01:29Ronnie Karam: Here's a smeased and a Kleenex. Achoo! Oh, thank you. I will not be your friend.

2:01:36Ben Mandelker: You know, Alexis is like, okay let's just like literally nobody asked you to be her friend but okay um i'm not asking to be best buddies um i know this is an uncomfortable uncomfortable for both of us when you're the ex and i'm the new you're the old and i'm the young i'm you're the you're the wrinkly i'm the less wrinkly it's awkward i get it now the lawsuit like if you go back to any court documents like

2:02:05Ronnie Karam: They'll show for you. There will be no proof of my name being on anything because Jim and I have been divorced for six months. So, Shannon, we're not longer. No, Shannon, it's my turn to talk. I didn't speak when you spoke. So it's my turn now to speak when you're speaking.

2:02:20Ben Mandelker: Oh, OK. Well, we're getting a little angry now. No, no, no, no. A little angry. No, get a little hot under there. If you were wearing a collar like a lady would, she would be hot under it. No, no. Do not.

2:02:32Ronnie Karam: Do not. Do not make me go Johnny J on me. Do not make me. So, I had nothing to do with that. And Tamron knows I wasn't involved. And I don't know why you think I was involved.

2:02:45Ben Mandelker: Well, you sent Tamron I cease and desist letters and it was your signature. I will dig it up. I will remember the shape of the X. Move on.

2:02:53Ronnie Karam: Move on. Are we really going to rehash things from three years ago or do we want to live in the...

2:03:00Ben Mandelker: are you going to write me a check for$300 ,000, Alexis? Because that's what I lost. And John, John Jansen was there the whole, oh, wait, actually, hold on. He is texting me right this moment. And he says, oh, nope, that was my phone dying. It makes a buzz before it dies.

2:03:18Ronnie Karam: He knew the English I was going through. That's a lot of money to lose, Alexis. She goes, show me the letter then. Take it up. Show me the letter. Show me the letter. Oh, you don't think you wrote it? Show me the letter. Show me the letter. because I think what the real issue is that I have your ex-boyfriend and that's the real issue. So guess what? You need to move on. Oh, okay. Hold on. I have a text from John. John. Oh, it's my ringtone. It's Hanson, actually.

2:03:42Ben Mandelker: All this time I thought it was Janssen. Turns out it's Hanson. It's very, very different, it turns out. Okay. Okay. You know what? We're going to move forward in this relationship and look, here's what's going to happen. I'm not going to talk to you anymore about that court case that has already been buried and done, much like your future with John Jansen himself. So I'm done with it. I'm done with it.

2:04:02Ronnie Karam: I'm out of money. It's not done for me. It is never done.

2:04:06Ben Mandelker: Well, you're never going to get a dollar from me. And if you don't like it, there's the door, Shannon Bedore. Even though they're outside and there's no door. There's the door, Shannon Bedore. I'm not talking about this. I'll be standing far really far. She's like, there, there's the door. And I love only Alexa. Go down the hall, go down the arcade, make a right, then make another right. Okay, then there's going to be an awning. There's the door, Shannon Bedore.

2:04:29Ronnie Karam: And it's clearly such a planned thing to say, but it's like, even planning it, Alexis rhymed door with door. I mean.

2:04:39Ben Mandelker: And so Alexis starts to walk up. And this is Alexis Bellino for Fox News 6. Goodbye.

2:04:46Ronnie Karam: So she goes, well, thank you for taking John Jansen from me, Alexis. And she goes, yeah, and I'm thankful he left you. She goes, oh, crap. Shannon turns straight to the camera and goes, oh, perfect.

2:04:58Ben Mandelker: Then Tamara's like, okay, everyone, everyone, they're coming back. Scatter like cockroaches. Scatter like cockroaches. It just ends with Shannon going, fuck her. Fuck her.

2:05:08Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, I kind of liked it because, you know, Shannon's usual MO is to be like, oh, you're bringing on Alexis Bellino? I refuse. I refuse to film a scene with her. How dare you? And then they would get all this footage of Shannon yelling at all the crew and refusing to do the scene. And this time, Shannon's like, I will not. I will show up with my revenge body. And I will on a 360 camera. You watch me go, girls.

2:05:33Ben Mandelker: Oh, it was a tremendous premiere. Tremendous. It was just full of electricity. I absolutely loved it. I'm so excited for this season. Obviously, we talked for two hours. Everyone have a wonderful weekend. We'll be there. Watch What Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. She answered the call. It's Adia Paul. Ain't no thing like Alison King. Our way is the Amber way. It's the Foster and the Furious. It's Amanda Foster. It's Always Automatic with Ashley Otto. Put your hands together for Carly Clapp.

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