#3446 RHOC S20E01 Part Two: Speak From The Heart

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2:21Ronnie Karam: It's when there's so much that happens. Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

2:43Ben Mandelker: So Vicky's like, how about we go to the beach? I've got a Zoom. I've got four Zoom calls to do, though. because you know what? I love having a life partner. I never thought like Don and I would break up or Brooks. Well, that was a different story. But I can't handle another breakup. I can't. I can't do it. I can't. I'm like, well, guess what? It's probably going to happen based on your trauma. The expiration date is coming up soon. It's been four years. Well, gird your loins, sister. Yeah. So, well, so by the way, Billy, my friend Heather is having a Valentine's Day party and chances are I won't be there because like, you know, residency.

3:15Ben Mandelker: But I'm going to be here all by myself. I'm in like Mexican jail.

3:19Ronnie Karam: So we find out that she's trying to get her Mexican residency, but she has to wait or something. She's not supposed to leave Mexico until she gets a certain card, but it's not looking good. So she might be stuck in Mexico forever, forever, forever, forever. God, immigration should be easier, am I right?

3:43Ben Mandelker: So now we go back up to Orange County, and here's what she's missing up there. Gina chopping pillows. I feel bad. I feel bad. And her mom, Susan, emerges. And Susan's like, I decided to style myself as Tom Petty today. So they've got lunch that's arrived and Travis is heading off to a listing appointment. And Gina's like, the gated group has been booming. There's not a one-bedroom apartment in all of Orange County that has not been sold by us at this point. Like every year that we're in business, like we double our business. So like first year we had one sale. Second year we had two sales. This year we had four sales.

4:25Ben Mandelker: Watch out.

4:26Ronnie Karam: Look out world. So this scene is about Gina getting engaged. It's very exciting. And we find out Gina's storyline for the season. Should she take Travis's last name or keep her own? And it's a huge decision. She wants to keep her own because it keeps her, you know, close to the kids because that's their last name. But Travis wants her to have his last name because he's a man. And it's going to be weird for a man to be married to a woman who don't have the same last name. What the hell is this? So the mom's like, well, you know, you could hyphenate. She's like, how can you hyphenate a 14 letter last name?

5:05Ronnie Karam: Cush and hide them all and come on. I'm going to be on customer service for the rest of my life. Spelling out that name and that cracked me up. But on the customer service note, Mullen is a lot easier.

5:20Ben Mandelker: I just got to say, if you're already going through Kirshenheider, you might as well just add Mullen onto it. Because at that point, it's just too much. You want to hear my name? I feel being added. It's a lot of letters. We also see a video of Travis proposing to Gina up in Big Bear or Arrowhead or something. And she's just like in this fur vest and she has like a little crown on that maybe it's like a New Year's crown or something. And they're like outside. And like it's like you hear like water dripping out of a gutter and everything. And she's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I feel mad. Yes. Oh, my God.

5:56Ronnie Karam: I feel so the opposite of being right now. I did think it's weird to get engaged right then because like New Year's is where you make promises you don't keep. And we all know it. That's the day you're like, oh my god, this is the year I'm going to work out every day. Or this is the year I'm going to... So I think that's been my only resolution for 50 years. This year is when I'm going to start working out. It never happens. It never happens. Do not get engaged on a day where people lie to themselves.

6:30Ben Mandelker: I just don't like people doing milestone things on holidays or long weekends. I think it's obnoxious and rude because now like if someone else wants to celebrate that weekend or that day they can't quite because they almost always are obligated to do something pertaining to that milestone you know so it's like oh my god I'm having a wedding on Memorial Day weekend it's like I don't have any three day weekends and now I have to spend my whole three day weekend going to your wedding it's like I don't like that and like I get it because you're thinking like this way you don't have to take off work you can come to my wedding it's like i would rather have an excuse to take off work because then i have a work take off work excuse and i have a three-day wedding and now i only get one of those things and i can't do the thing that i want like don't do the wedding on new year's don't well this is just the engagement but you know it's gonna be a like guys every new year's we're gonna celebrate my engagement it's always gonna be a thing and like yeah i don't like doubling up on holidays i think it's

7:35Ronnie Karam: obnoxious like you also have to think of yourself you know i always say don't only think about your wedding think about your possible divorce like don't only think about who you're going to marry think about who you're going to divorce because that person could be a fucking monster you have to see them in a car how angry they get in traffic or how they treat you know puppies who are too um clawy on them or you know you have to see people's bad side and also um think about the holiday because if you get divorced you're always going to think of new year's day like this is the day i got engaged like my sister got um married on valentine's day which was great when she got married but it's not great now i mean valentine's day sucks enough when you're single without having that extra oh remember you were divorced today well yeah or you were this is when you were married and now you're divorced well have some fucking chocolate yeah and i guarantee by the way

8:31Ben Mandelker: going forward, this is what New Year's Day, New Year's Eve looks like in the world of Gina. It's like, hey Gina, we're going to have like a New Year's Eve party. Do you want to come? I can't because that's actually the anniversary of our engagement. So we usually go out to dinner. So now it's like, okay, well now you can't come to my party. Or then it becomes actually like I know you're having a party, but since it's our anniversary, we're going to have a party. So do you want to come to my party instead? And then you're like, well, I guess I have to go to Gina's because it's her engagement. Like she's always going to be pulling the engagement card on New Year's.

9:01Ben Mandelker: And I don't know what form it will take, but every form it's going to take is going to be annoying. Like let New Year's be New Year's. Do the engagement on another day. I'm sorry. That's how I feel. No. Yeah. No doubling up on holidays unless it's like out of your control like a birthday. Okay. Well, too late because she's engaged on New Year's. And guess what? It's going to suck for everyone in her orbit every New Year's Eve. I guarantee.

9:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now we go over to Heather's mom's new house. Heather's mom has just moved to L.A. And Heather walks in and she's like, oh, my God, Mom, how did you do this? Everything is already so put together.

9:42Ben Mandelker: Well, I went like this. And she does like the Ijumajini nose thing. Or actually, I'm trying to be bewitched. No, it was Jeannie, right? Ijumajini.

9:50Ronnie Karam: Well, she did the Jeannie arm cross. But then she did the bewitched wiggle. yeah and i think they did it winking like the sound effect from so i don't know they mixed

10:00Ben Mandelker: they mixed yeah you she did like uh barbara eden and elizabeth montgomery bullshit right there um so heather's like wow last time it was i was here it was terrifying actually kind of still is terrifying because you're my mother ha ha ha ha i do comedy now so carol is like uh she's talking about her unpacking and everything and heather is like oh did you put all those things in the room is it like where you open up the door and it's going to be like an avalanche of things that i bought for you it's like such a sitcom thing where you open the door and everything falls on your head

10:39Ronnie Karam: and she's like well it was very important to me that my mother and it was very important to me and my sister that my mother moved closer because when my dad got sick i had to fly to new york to find doctors and blah, blah, blah. My mom's old. I'm not flying to New York again. She can go to doctors here. Besides, we've got Terry. If my mom's heart hurts, he'll just put a boob in it.

10:58Ben Mandelker: Really, the producer said I have to put some family on. I was either, I bring my mother on screen or I finally show America that I have a sister. And I said, no, no, no, she doesn't get to see the day of light. So mom it is.

11:10Ronnie Karam: So how do we feel about moving? And the mom's like, well, Heather, God created Los Angeles, but he lives in New York.

11:20Ben Mandelker: Badumcha. She just stares. She stares at her mom so angrily. She goes, how long did we practice that? Because she is actually low-key mad that that was a line she probably wanted to use in a confessional. Oh, really, mother? So we're just going to be funny After I had an entire season Of being a comic actress Afredo, no, no Not now

11:46Ronnie Karam: Well, it didn't take me long, Heather But it is such a good line, isn't it? It's like, okay, well, now that you're here Hilarious person What's the plan? You're going to join a bridge group? You're going to, I don't know, bury yourself? You're going to do something where you're not calling me And bothering me all the time, trying to outdo me With one-liners? You're no Rodney Dangerfield mother

12:06Ben Mandelker: well Beverly Hills Bridge Club I'm going to do that and I want to see you more I want to see the grandkids more well as long as you don't go to my sister's house I'll be happy but actually what she says is when she says I want to see the grandkids more Heather goes well they're gone

12:25Ronnie Karam: nice timing you missed them the bus you took to get here was a little late mother And she says, did my mom miss out? Well, the short answer is yes Max and Akir graduating college Cat's really enjoying her freshman year Yale, thank you And then Ace started high school It is bizarre having Ace in the house And only Ace, it just happened Blink of an eye, boom Wow, I keep blinking and my mother is still there Guess that magic doesn't just keep Working for the entire scene, does it?

12:59Ben Mandelker: Wingy wingy Well, mother since I am in my feel-good, carefree era, let me ask you this. Do you ever regret not being here? Because I'm just curious. And she's like, excuse me. Do you look back and go, maybe we should have gotten a place near the girls so we could have been around when the grandkids are growing up? She's like, well, I mean, living, you got your own lives. I know, but there's a lot of grandparents that have a place near them, and they help, and they drive them, mother.

13:32Ronnie Karam: Excuse me, Heather We flew in for everything we had to fly in for Well, that's not really the same thing as driving them to soccer practices, etc There are only so many Alfredos in the world, mother

13:46Ben Mandelker: You know what? Your father was working He retired when the twins were born Remind me who the twins are again Who are the twins?

13:55Ronnie Karam: Is that your servants? I don't even know any twins, Heather Who are you talking about? Yes, that's why he wasn't at Nicky's Brie. Brie. Brie? Briss. How do you pronounce it? Briss.

14:06Ben Mandelker: It is Briss. Sorry. Briss. Nicky brought some Brie to the Briss. Oh, God. It was a Brie Briss. Oh, God. It's true. Well, you know, you had your own life too, Heather. You didn't want to come to where we were. I had four kids, Mom. I couldn't drag four kids across the country all the time.

14:28Ronnie Karam: well most people would visit their grandparents once a year you could have come to the hamptons adam sandler came she goes great what does that mean what are you talking about sandler came with the camper and his wife's grandma to see his mother what are you talking about i'm talking the name of a famous actor in my presence i'm talking about adam sandler coming to west hampton beach, okay? I mean, we were in Quogue, of course, but, you know, he still said I was very, very funny there.

15:02Ben Mandelker: This is the most insane conversation. It's not.

15:06Ronnie Karam: You're pointing fingers, and I'm telling you, Adam Sandler was a better child than you.

15:11Ben Mandelker: You wouldn't change anything.

15:14Ronnie Karam: I would. I would have seen Waterboy in the theaters, because there's a man that deserves support.

15:20Ben Mandelker: If you ask my mom about anything, she will tell you about where she traveled and what she's done, because that's what's important to her.

15:29Ronnie Karam: Well, you were creating a career and you were busy, busier than Adam Sandler. I respect that. I respect that. You know, one thing that Sandler always says when he comes and sees me, you have children? I say, yeah, I do.

15:46Ben Mandelker: It would be nice to think that my mom, in her older years would be a little bit more emotional or connected, but she's just not self-actualized like that. I'm curious to see if that changes.

16:00Ronnie Karam: So where are the rest of Dad's ashes, Mother? You broke them into thirds.

16:05Ben Mandelker: I was like, well, you had one of them.

16:07Ronnie Karam: Where's the third? You lost it. You lost it. I did not lose it. It's an Adam Sandler's camper. I trusted him to hold on to it.

16:15Ben Mandelker: You lost Dad! she just hates her mom she really she's like but her mom is totally unfair she's like oh please i've been dealing with this for 40 years and this is her mom being nice because we've seen her mom

16:34Ronnie Karam: on camera before and she is a pill and her mom's like oh really you think you're gonna make me look stupid again i'm gonna come on here with some one one-liners and an adam sandler reference let's see how well you do making me look like a jerk the adam sandler thing was hilarious

16:49Ben Mandelker: because she made it seem like Adam Sandler really did visit her. But she's just like, no, just saying that Adam Sandler was able to make the effort to go to the Hamptons. So you should be able to make the effort to go to the Hamptons.

16:59Ronnie Karam: Adam Sandler is rich as hell, and he can get in a camper to go see his family. Heather! Wow.

17:10Ben Mandelker: So now we go to Tamara's house, and Tamara's getting in glam, and she's like, Well, it's a heavy body So I'm sure I'm going to be up It's a beautiful body I won't let anybody ruffle my feathers

17:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, and she's like Yeah, I'm in my 50s I'm a good person now I don't want to lose my shit anymore I mean, come on If they don't like me, I'm just going to say sorry I'm so sorry that my feelings were hurt I'm sorry, but you want me to say Then we go to Shannon And she's in glam And it looks like she's staring off into space but she's actually looking at this little vial of testosterone and it's like all right i need to take my testosterone okay oh no this has great seed oil oh god i'm gonna shoot it up anyway if anything happens to me you better call the seed oil people let them know and then we go to the

18:03Ben Mandelker: party venue and um sandra the party planner is showing heather everything there's like everything is hearts there's like fishing for diamonds there's a tattoo station there's photos is everything. It's a Heather Dubrow party. So obviously I have a lot going on. I just think the last time we were all together, it got very dark and I just want to have a little lightness and a little love and a little fun and a little frivolity. I think the only thing to be upset about with this party is the price,$75 ,000. I said, the only thing to be upset about with this party is the price the price alfredo the price come on alfredo come on is my drum is my drum

18:47Ronnie Karam: sound effect playing um fishing for diamonds so she put real diamonds in this thing for people to go get i mean that's a party you know it's heather i come to my party maybe one of you poor people can find a diamond it's gonna be hilarious uh so heather goes down the slide to prove how fun she is and people start coming in um we go to the car one of the cars where gina's picking up emily and uh everyone who sees emily is like oh my god you're so skinny you're so skinny oh my god

19:17Ben Mandelker: i can't believe it yeah i feel like um from all i've learned you're really like that's not what you're really supposed to say i think you're supposed to say oh my god you look so healthy or whatever like isn't it like the oh my god you look skinny you actually look this is the best you've ever looked it's supposed to be like really toxic language that you're supposed to that you sit to say to someone right well it's orange county they didn't get that they don't

19:42Ronnie Karam: they don't get that yeah they didn't get that memo so emily has yeah it is weird when you lose lose weight and then everybody acts like you've been cured of cancer you know right oh my god thank god i didn't want to say anything earlier but god you look amazing jesus thank god you don't look the same as you did the rest of this time i've known you you were really idiots never wanted to say anything about it but we can talk now like two skinny people to two skinny people

20:08Ben Mandelker: right right i know it's like i was like i don't think this is right so emily but then on the other

20:15Ronnie Karam: hand if you lose a bunch of weight and you walk in somewhere and then nobody says anything you're like what the hell nobody even said you know like you really can't win but you're right nobody you're not supposed to tell people they're not really skinny you're supposed to say oh wow you're looking healthy or whatever so like if you're in my family you say are you sick

20:38Ben Mandelker: so emily uh she gets in this car and she's like well guys big update i went downstairs with my bag i didn't have anything in it so annabelle was like do you want me to fill it up with stuff and I thought she meant gum and lip gloss and it's like 8 ,000 babies and ducks. And so Britt, who's Gina's ex's new girlfriend or wife is like, well, you know what you're supposed to do with them? Throw them at women I don't like. No, but what are you

21:03Ronnie Karam: supposed to do with them? I wanted to know the answer to this. And we never got it, so thanks, Emily.

21:08Ben Mandelker: The ducks go on the Jeeps. That's what we learned from Rosie.

21:11Ronnie Karam: Well, you know I have one of those ducks behind me. I'm going to show it to you because I thought of this the other day look

21:21Ronnie Karam: look what I have, this little duck but my niece used to make these as like peace ducks and she would get like hundreds of these little rubber ducks and she would write on the bottom of them like a positive message, the positive message is worn off but you can see she tried something like I love you and you're great and then she would like leave them for people as little gifts well that's nice

21:44Ben Mandelker: cute yeah um i don't know what the babies are for i don't know the babies go on a different car but one thing we learned from rosie on rhode island is that people with jeep wranglers um receive ducks and my friend has a jeep wrangler and i was like do you get the ducks and she's like i fucking hate it because then she's like it's like happens all the time stupid little ducks in my car like when am i supposed to do the fucking duck i was like i feel ya i don't even have

22:09Ronnie Karam: i don't even get the ducks i just you save it and then you put it on another person's car pay the duck forward. Jeez, people are no-fing.

22:16Ben Mandelker: Throw it at women you don't

22:17Ronnie Karam: like! I'd be so excited to come out and have a duck on my car. Like, yes! I got something. Somebody was thinking of me. It's a duck. I want a nice coffee on my car. I look at the bottom of the duck. It's like, are you sick?

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24:43Ronnie Karam: Then we talk about This new girl who's joining It's going to be a new girl, Jen And Jen's bringing her in Her name is Carmella And Emily's like, well she's a real estate agent And Sheena goes, oh well Jen needs one Because I am never taking That job again

25:04Ben Mandelker: So Jen and Carmella Hop into her car and then Jen Is like, oh Carmella I've never seen this feisty side of you. She goes, well, I'm from Cleveland, so you know. She's like, oh yeah, it's in there. I was like, yep. When I think of feisty, I'm like, Cleveland, Ohio. Feisty capital of the world. Yeah, think of the Drew Carey show. Oh yeah, I guess there was that lady with the eyeshadow. So Jen's like, Carmella and I used to have the same hairdresser for years. You know, like how you meet people and you just feel like you know them forever, mainly because you're dressed as tamra because you have her extensions in your head anyway he was like with that like without with carmella and she's like you know she's got like a little edge to her mainly because she has black hair which is like crazy and like she used to be a playmate so i mean we could just go on and on black hair playmate cleveland just like so many layers to

25:56Ronnie Karam: carmella that was really funny she goes and she used to be a playmate just so many layers so many layers so many layers to her it's like what the opposite of a book is so jen's like okay well when you lived at the playboy mansion i did you have a bedroom there she's like oh i lived in the bunny house and that was across the street from the playboy mansion just well did you enjoy you huffner she's like oh everyone thinks did i sleep with him i did not listen i've seen the show and i've seen the documentary and this is all depressing this is not really the time to be like yes i lived at the playboy mansion it's so sad you know almost i don't think there's been a story that's come out of there that's not fucking depressing so forgive me for not woohooing your storyline all right carmella well i went to playboy mansion once and it was the craziest

26:51Ben Mandelker: collection of people i've ever seen at one point i saw gloria allred anna nicole smith and jesse jackson all talking together and i was like don't forget scott baio i did not see scott baio but he probably was there most likely and there was a crowd by the bar and i got wedged between tiffany and steven dorf and i thought this is life right here um so uh then we uh they were arriving at the party and tamra and emily are like oh my god look at skinny holy shit oh my god it's like a new person i'm like scared wow i'm so glad emily's not here because that stupid bitch is like oh my god it's you wow that's crazy where's the other half of you besides your bitches

27:42Ben Mandelker: tell the other part of you that's not here their podcast isn't allowed on my network but you you get a private spot so emily is like well i do struggle with tamra because i do care about her and i know that she does care about me and i just wish that she would take accountability for what

27:58Ronnie Karam: she said but i've yet to hear that emily i've never heard you take accountability for anything at any time on any season so i i don't want to hear it from you i will say emily seems very sad this season right like usually emily's like oh here's a wacky thing look we're at a party like she's trying to be like wacky and fun i mean later she does bounce in the bounce house so I guess she gets that in but yeah she seems like super morose well that's what the preview

28:29Ben Mandelker: showed that like there's issues with Shane kids growing up the kids are maybe having some issues I think she's like the party the party may be up don't forget this is someone who's like it's sort of been tiptoed around but she's like spends all day in bed that was actually on wife swap she's like I get home I just go into bed and I just or she's like lying in bed all day like there's something going on there. Excuse me. So then Tamara is talking to Gina. She's like, By the way, we even talked about your engagement. Do we have something like that? She's like, no. We actually said for the next six months we're not even going to talk about it.

29:10Ben Mandelker: I just want to enjoy it. I just want to bask in being in a fur vest with a little crown on my head with a drippy gutter nearby Well, he got down on one knee and gave me a plastic ring for my finger. I just want to ask.

29:26Ronnie Karam: Well, you have to get married before Jen. Ryan wins jungle in a marriage. You have to get married before Jen. And Tamara's like, well, I don't blame Jen. Take your time. But I think Gina and Travis are going to get married before Jen. I think Ryan will place a big bet on that. Come on in there because Ryan's an illegal gambler.

29:50Ben Mandelker: So then Jen and Carmella arrive, and they say hi to Heather. And Heather, you know Heather hates her, because the first thing Heather does is go, So nice to meet you. I was like, oh, she hates her.

30:05Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry. Carmella, welcome.

30:10Ben Mandelker: Jesus. Oh, so you're going to be a non-blonde in this group. Okay, I see. Well, let me just show you over here as a trash compactor. I'm just going to put your face into it.

30:25Ronnie Karam: So Tamara's asking Carmela about her life. And she's like, oh, I live in two places. I've got a place in CDM. Yeah. Those who know, know. And then I have a place in Rancho Santa Fe. I would call it RSF. But I don't know that enough of you have the class to understand what that one means. I'll just hold that one inside. Put that one in my pocket.

30:46Ben Mandelker: Tamara's like, yeah, I want to save a shadow group over there. 500 years ago. So then Shannon gets out of the car. She's like, oh my God, I've got to put my dress on fast. Can you, Stacey, can you help me? Zip me up, Stacey, zip me up. So her friend Stacey comes and zips her up. And she's like, I don't want it wrinkly, okay? Please, please help me. She's falling out of the car.

31:07Ronnie Karam: Like, well, I got to put on my dress.

31:11Ben Mandelker: Shannon. And then there's questions about whether or not Vicky's going to make it because she's having green card passport, whatever. Mexican residency issues. And so Heather is like, I love Vicky. And Vicky and I always get along. But recently, Vicky's been saying in the media that we inherited all of our money. So we see a clip of Vicky on a podcast, and she's like, yeah, no, I've always been friendly with Heather. I don't resent anything that they built and have inherited and all that, which to me said to me, that clip said, yeah, wherever they got their money from, whatever they built, whatever they've inherited like i don't resent that but heather only hears the inherited you

31:52Ronnie Karam: think oh no she meant it shady because even uh christian gay snow her co-host it's like well vicky you know sounding pissy about where somebody's money come from doesn't sound great no i i don't mean that at all i'm very happy for them for having dead relatives who gave them all of their money while some of us are working 12 hours on the beach i mean the thing is this like

32:15Ben Mandelker: I do believe that they inherited a lot from Terry's brother, but you can't shade them for inheriting a lot of money when one of them is a full-on doctor. I'm sorry. That's like someone who put in a lot of time in medical school and residency and everything. And you can't be like, oh, they're just resting on their laurels. He's a doctor. Terry may be a TV personality or whatever, but he put in the time. I don't feel like you're going to shade Terry Dubrow for just being some lazy receiver of money. I'm sorry.

32:51Ronnie Karam: Well, a couple things. Vicky says, well, I know a lot of doctors. They don't live in$40 million homes. So I guess I stand for that. But a longtime thing on this show is how do they have so much money? Because they've got money, money. They live in mall homes. They live on the cliff overlooking the ocean in a zillion-dollar home. But we've also seen them make a zillion dollars on this show from building these massive homes and selling them. I mean, didn't they make like$20 million off of one of their homes or something crazy?

33:22Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I do believe that they've inherited some money. And I also believe that Heather comes from money. Like money flows through this family. I just think it's funny. I'm just never going to shade someone who went to medical school and be like, whoa, look at them just taking the easy way out. It just seems like a weird thing to do.

33:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so she's like, yeah, whatever. I don't know a doctor with that much money. And Heather is like, well, I want to overlook this, but we need to talk. So Shannon introduces Stacey to the group. And I don't think we need to know who Stacey is, right? but they never show her face. So then Heather's like, Tamara, Shannon just arrived. She's like, oh, oh, whatever. Wow, how'd you find this place to have a party in heaven? She goes, oh, it used to be a funeral home. I came here to check it out for my mother, but unfortunately that bitch is still breathing. So I put a deposit down and had a party here.

34:25Ben Mandelker: Maybe it's where I'll die, since I've apparently been replaced as the sole dark-haired lady of the cast. So Shannon is Seeing Tamara Kind of makes my blood boil A little bit And Tamara's like well I don't know what to do I just don't want to have any sort of thoughts I want nothing to do with her I don't want to talk to her Stay away

34:48Ronnie Karam: And this is where some of these fashions Shannon is wearing it looks like a little girl's Church dress it's got like ruffles And all of this crazy shit going on And then Nikki the son is suddenly standing in front of them with his creepy smile and they're like hi and he's like hello thank you all for coming i'm nick if you don't know me i'm heather's really good looking son i felt that we should have a master of ceremonies and who better to do it than nick

35:21Ben Mandelker: dubrow i know one person who shouldn't do it wendy malik ha anyway he's worked in hospitality And by worked in, I mean he's received it quite a bit. He's told waiters how he wants his food and how quickly he wants it before they're fired. So he really is comfortable in this space.

35:40Ronnie Karam: Nicky has really earned this night. Worked in hospitality. This is up his alley. Everyone knows him. He's just so cute.

35:49Ben Mandelker: Now, Nicky, on the other hand, I would feel like could get dinged for having, you know, like things sort of handed to him. uh so nick is like hey everyone we have some really fun things planned for you guys and i'm really excited let's have some fun by the way this is the beginning the end of his responsibilities is to make a little speech heather is like so clearly positioning him to be on next gen los angeles look at him america don't you just love him don't you just want to see the rest of his life

36:18Ronnie Karam: coming soon to bravo yeah she's trying she got him working for um josh from million dollar listing and that show got canceled so next one is next gen let's do this um so but this is not the end of his uh thing by the way because soon heather's like where's my microphone nikki i need a microphone to give a speech you should be on that he's like i am uh getting it current i'm currently on that i was just grabbing that mic that's right nikki don't fuck this up this is your chance you were in hospitality.

36:58Ben Mandelker: Don't fuck it up. I'm a working actress. So they get in there and they're looking at all the things like, ooh, ah, there's an ice luge thing. Oh, look, there's an HD. Wow. And Shannon's like, oh my god, this buffet is just freaking phenomenal. Oh my god. So Emily starts doing the ice luge shot. Of course, she's being really suggestive about it. And Carmela goes, oh my god. It's a lube. It's a lube.

37:25Ronnie Karam: it's like it's a loo and Heather goes oh it's an ice loo and Carmela says oh god this party is like giving 2000's Playboy Mansion like sexy vibe bounce house I'm looking for the playmates Ron and Jeremy popping out of the corner yeah sorry got a little confused and called it a loo my mind was on other things

37:49Ben Mandelker: so Tamara's like that's Vicky why's the Vicky here and then an SUV pulls up and it's Vicky and she's in the, we just hear her voice like

38:01Ben Mandelker: she got stitches

38:04Ronnie Karam: be careful, god damn it I've got 20 stitches in here of course it's one thing after another with me, I just had a cyst removed yesterday underneath my armpit and now I'm bleeding, it's never a dull moment never a dull moment with me

38:20Ben Mandelker: yeah and And Olivia, who is Michael's, her boyfriend's daughter, is like, there's like a literal face mask in your brush. Like, yeah, because the only thing I can have, I don't get my beard anymore. I don't really understand what that meant, but I just decided to go with it. So Heather is showing Emily around. She's like, okay, Emily, let me show you things that rich people can afford to do for their parties. Here's a photo station. We're doing Polaroids because, you know, we don't want to waste a good film on you guys. Oh, diamonds over here. Tattoo over here. Oh, and here's the exit. This is where we send the poor people after 10 minutes.

38:51Ben Mandelker: Okay. See you later.

38:53Ronnie Karam: Who has a, I, what is a tattoo booth doing at a party? No, I'm not going to get tattooed at your party. You fucking weirdo. And they're real tattoos. This happened in the ballot. XO. Never forgot. You were to party thrown by HD the night that Nikki star rose.

39:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Uh, you know, I know people have a lot of stories attached to their tattoos and I'm, I'm just wondering who is, who wants to say yes. This is from the time I went to Heather DeBrow's Valentine's party. At a funeral home. At a funeral home. So Heather announces. Heather has a big announcement, Ronnie. Big announcement. Everyone, I'm in my font era. So funny.

39:39Ronnie Karam: So Tamara actually gets the tattoo. And Vicky comes in and says hi to everybody. She's like, I gotta pass. I gotta pass through Mexico. But now it's where they got the cosplay. lit. So now I'm just stuck waiting, waiting.

39:52Ben Mandelker: She got tricked. Mexico was like, wait. Oh, yes. Vicky Gumbelson. Wait, we have a chance to make her leave our country? Yes. Yes, you can leave. You can go back to California. We'll let you back in. We'll let you know when you can come back. Just stay there. Just stay there.

40:07Ronnie Karam: Sorry, which one is Vicky Gumbelson? It's the lady who keeps coming here asking if we started to build the wall yet. Oh, God, that lady. Get her on a plane. Get her on a plane. Send her off.

40:19Ben Mandelker: So yes Oh you're right here's Nick's other big moment Here's the microphone moment

40:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah so Give me my microphone Meanwhile Carmella sees Vicky and she's like Hello I'm Carmella nice to meet you And Emily Is like well when you meet Victoria you have To bow and Jane goes yeah There's like a respect to her you have to kiss Her ring Vicky's like well they used to call Me Queen Victoria my crown is a little Cricket Carmilla's like, yeah, I'm not trying to bow to anybody. I'm definitely not kissing anyone's ring. I knew Ron Jeremy.

40:57Ben Mandelker: So then Carmilla's telling Shannon that she lives in CDM and also Rancho Santa Fe. And she's like, are you from the ranch? She's like, what? What? Well, I live in Corona Del Mar. I mean, I'm the natural. By the way, I'm sorry. I'm giving Shannon way too much of a sober interpretation. It was more like this Well I live in Corona Del Mar And I'm the Duchess of Corona Del Mar I'm just kidding I joke I joke I have to joke to get through the loneliness It's just me and some dogs They just call me the bag lady of Corona Del Mar I'll be honest Or sometimes the whipped cream on a cone dropper lady Of Corona Del Mar I'm lonely

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43:36Ronnie Karam: so Heather gets up and she's like hello ding ding ding hello everybody welcome to my party hearts and farts celebrating what else friendship I just wanted to celebrate new friends I was about to say old friends see Alfredo oh Alfredo thank you

44:05Ronnie Karam: Alfredo's new and dead Got one Thank god we're in a funeral home I have somewhere to put Alfredo's body For fucking that one up Okay well Tamara goes Just call them historical friends

44:21Ben Mandelker: Historical friends One might say historical So then Emily rolls her eyes And then Jen's like why is she throwing data All of a sudden they're upset about historical like how could she say historical and then Emily's like she's trying to minimize it she's trying to make it natural I would guarantee you one thing Heather Dubrow will never be doing in life is making anything sound natural or be natural or just even look natural I don't associate the concept of natural with Heather Dubrow

44:49Ronnie Karam: please eat drink and be merry and remember both Tamara and life are short but Tamara is much harder to live through cheers everybody let's do tello shots

45:01Ben Mandelker: so the waitress tries to give vicky a jello shot and she's like oh yeah i used to make these by the river all the time that's how the boohoo started and we see flashbacks to have a sue and uh in the glory days of the of the aughts and uh then they're like the pourers are now like playing with all the baubles that heather's put out so basically gina's sniffing perfumes and jen is like oh by the way shannon called me earlier today and shannon's feeling that heather is like not being honest about how she feels about Tamara. And we see a flashback of this FaceTime and Shannon's like, well, you know, the dinner after the reunion, 100 % of the meal was negative comments about Tamara.

45:38Ben Mandelker: And she's like, it's frustrating that when we're alone with Heather, she'll say certain things. And then when we're all together as a group, she's like, buddy, buddy, saying things like historical, historical.

45:49Ronnie Karam: And Jen, who is starting all this? Like Jen is clearly going from person to person. Like guys, Heather is so nice to Tamara's face, but she keeps talking behind her back. uh so uh huh i said what are you doing you're talking behind heather's back right exactly exactly and she's also not taking she's a huge hypocrite but i love you know seeing her grow into her housewives role so um jen is telling us you know if somebody really does care about heather i think being a good friend is pushing people out of their comfort zones and under buses and to hear shannon say that she feels the same way as me as after i brought it up it's like gosh is anyone gonna say anything I'm gonna say something and blame somebody else for it

46:31Ben Mandelker: if Shannon feels that way about Heather then she should talk to Heather about it and by she should talk to Heather about it I mean I'll talk to Heather about it

46:43Ronnie Karam: so Heather's getting a tattoo and she's like I'm getting a tattoo XX I always sign my name XX Heather

46:53Ben Mandelker: so Gina's like Gina's talking to Jen Just Heather getting XX It's just also funny because Tamara just got XOXO So Gina's like I didn't like the things I seen Tamara discussing in the press So I said that to Tamara And Jen's like I don't know how powerful it would be If Heather would just be honest with Tamara So like maybe we could like If she did that we could like man this broken friendship You know

47:16Ronnie Karam: So Tamara sees Vicky and she's like Hey Vicks I love you so much I just love you Vicks And holds her and Vicky's like Okay, alright Okay

47:36Ben Mandelker: I'm just gonna walk by Slowly Inches away from the truth of them but not look So Tamara realizes that a very Beautiful and lonely cloud has wafted by Okay

47:47Ronnie Karam: Am I intentionally avoiding Tamara? Yes, yes I am I don't have anything to say to her so I'm going to keep on walking. Will I stop to say hello?

47:56Ben Mandelker: No. And by avoiding, I mean in this giant room, I'm just going to walk directly up to her and then keep on going. That's what people who are avoiding do. So Heather's like, look, look girls, I got a

48:09Ronnie Karam: tattoo.

48:09Ben Mandelker: Jen's like, oh my god, is that

48:11Ronnie Karam: a real tattoo? Is that real? It is. I'm a badass.

48:16Ben Mandelker: It looks like an ant crawling on her. So Gina is like, literally, yeah, this tattoo is like the smallest tattoo I've ever seen. Like, it reminds me of, like, when Lisa Kudrow got the tattoo of the world on Friends, and, like, it was just, like, a dot. Like, it was, like, so funny. I was, like, oh, my God. It was, like, hilarious.

48:38Ronnie Karam: So, Gina is talking to Heather, and she's, like, well, I'm talking to Jen over there, and Shannon's, like, a little upset with you because she feels like you aren't completely honest about your relationship with Timber. And she's like, oh, stop this again. Come on. Wait, when did she say that? Oh, I talked to Shannon today, and she said it today. So, yeah, it was rough. Well, do you feel like I address things with Tamron? Gina's like, I do feel that way, Heather. I do feel that way. By the way, you still have my routing number, right?

49:15Ben Mandelker: I was very clear about everything, and I did that last year, too. Yeah, Heather told her she was embarrassing everyone. And Heather's like, yes, she was embarrassing. Yes. And she told her to her face, everyone. That's what Heather did. Gina, like advocating for this and everything. But I love that Gina starts this by being like, hey, Jen said that Shannon said this. Isn't that crazy? Don't worry. I'm on your side about this. Don't you worry.

49:47Ronnie Karam: You've been a great friend. yeah so tamra tells vicky that she went painting with heather and gina and vicky's like you don't know how to paint what were you doing painting well i'm exhausted they were giving me a hard time because i spent with you vicky they didn't like that very much and um we see heather saying you and vicky have called each other terrible names and you're the worst human being on the planet and all that stuff and she's like ah we've been friends for 20 years whatever she gets it pass because she's just vicky what are you gonna do and vicky's saying well which is by the way

50:19Ben Mandelker: that's the exact same logic of heather saying well tamra i put her in a box it's like the same thing

50:25Ronnie Karam: like well we've been friends for so long i give vicky a pass yeah um and vicky's like well i'm disappointed but i don't go backwards i'm not going backwards so then gina is like well sometimes it's difficult because like you do communicate things but it's like always not received you And there's nothing you can do about that at all.

50:45Ben Mandelker: Right? And we talked about that. We, me and Tamara, we talked about that, everyone. Me, the person who just paid for her new tattoo, so she really shouldn't be mad at me. We talked about that.

50:59Ronnie Karam: I'm in my very happy, unbothered era.

51:04Ben Mandelker: Fun era. Tamara and I have been friends for a long time. And I do not agree with everything that she does, but I'm unbothered. And that does not mean I'm turning my back on her. Maybe I'm a good influence on her. Does anyone ever think that, mother?

51:26Ronnie Karam: And Jen's like, well, I mean, if everyone's fine talking behind each other's back, that's fine. But, you know, just be honest and, you know, say that you put her in a box, you know? And so Tamara's talking to Vicky And she's like But Vicky I just don't want all of them to come between us Cause they're trying to Vicky they're like Tamara why are you friends with Vicky She smells so gross Tamara why are you friends with Vicky Her knee is broken Tamara why are you friends with Vicky They wouldn't even let it be an owner by the day

51:57Ben Mandelker: So Vicky sees Heather She goes Heather get over here Why were you talking mean about me Heather goes What was mean I never said anything mean By the way, you're the one that says mean things about me.

52:10Ronnie Karam: She's like, God, I don't. No, I don't. She goes, Terry and I inherited all of our money. Really, Vicky?

52:18Ben Mandelker: She's like, I don't care where you got your money. And Heather's eyes just narrow. And she goes, Vicky, our mothers are alive. Where did we inherit money from? No, Alfredo. No, wrong time.

52:34Ronnie Karam: And Vicky, like it's a game show, She's like, uh, Terry's brother His mother is alive If he had money it would be with her How does that, that's not true That's not true at all That's not the line of succession Ma 'am, okay, I've seen succession And Game of Thrones So

52:53Ben Mandelker: She's like, Terry's brother was a huge Mama's boy sissy He gave everything to the mother Not to Terry, that's kind of like what she's saying Um, but uh No, I don't I would think that's not necessarily true at all. I think the money can go in many different directions. Yeah.

53:11Ronnie Karam: So Vicky's like, and she's like, my husband worked at Kentucky Fried Chicken. And then the sound effect goes, ding! Like the sound effects people were like, right, right, right.

53:25Ben Mandelker: Which is the most popular restaurant for all the Alfredos I hear. And Vicky's like, well, I don't doubt that. I mean, I do kind of doubt, I actually a hundred percent doubt that. And then there's like, for everything we have. See all this? This was paid for by boobs. Gemma's like, boobs? Boobs tits? Is that what you do, tits? She's like, yeah, boobs.

53:46Ronnie Karam: And this is where Vicky's like, well, doctors don't live in$40 million homes or even$20 million. I know doctors, okay? Like maybe it's her award-winning acting that pays for all of this.

53:57Ben Mandelker: That was great shade. And the award-winning acting that got this money. we didn't inherit our money it's so funny because like the way that heather is amplifying this like offhanded comment whether it was shady or not you're probably right it probably was shady on a podcast you know i guarantee the majority of the audience never heard this or if they did hear it they just they missed it like when they forgot about it and heather amplifying it here for this fight now is making all of us wonder oh maybe they did get their money from inheriting it she's so what i i am so amused by how she never realizes how she always is that she's bringing her own stink you know yeah she weren't talking about this nobody's listening to vicky's podcast you get no offense she always achieves the opposite ends of what she's going for all the time yeah so uh heather's like we didn't inherit our money now kiss me you

54:58Ronnie Karam: fucking bitch. And she walks away and Tamara goes, wow, she really lit you up. But he goes, I lit her up.

55:06Ben Mandelker: So now we're in the bouncy castle. There's a bouncy castle there and they're all bouncing and Shannon can't get up. And she's just like rolling around and her dress is like riding up around her Spanx. And then Gina's like, Tamara, have you told Shannon? And Tamara's like, nah, I don't feel like this is the place. I like talking to her on steady ground. Do we have stuff to talk about? I have some stuff to talk about. And Jen's like, Well, I'm so glad to hear that there's stuff to talk about because I'm going to talk to you very straight because I want you to shoot me very straight. Okay?

55:35Ronnie Karam: Be careful what you wish for. I know. This is Orange County.

55:39Ben Mandelker: Be careful.

55:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she says basically like, you know what? Like we can have the kindest conversation, but then you're fake, you know, and you talk behind my back and I'm tired of it. And I sat down with Heather and when she talked about you, she said she puts you in a box so she can compartmentalize her friends. And Tamra's like, oh, really? She said that about me? Ow, ow. Hold on a minute. Let me see what that hurt for a minute. Oh, God, that hurts.

56:07Ben Mandelker: You can see that Tamra doesn't. I just got a redstone tattoo.

56:10Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. Never going to forget this moment. The hurt, the pain.

56:16Ben Mandelker: You can see that Tamra doesn't quite understand what this means. But she understands the sentiment that she should be upset. So she's like, all right, I'm in the box. I should be insulted. I don't know why. But while I think about it, I'll just check my head a lot quietly and back away slowly.

56:35Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And she's like, well, thank you. Thank you so much, Jen, for bringing this to me. To my face. You think I appreciate it, you dumb bitch. And she's like, yeah, oh, my God. Like, I felt so good telling Tamara that. We are back. Me and Tamara are back. Wow. I see a change in Tamara. She's so much lighter. Wow. oh, what a change. So she hugs her, but Heather walks up. And Heather's like, should I not have stepped into this? And Tamara's like, yeah, probably not the best time. I'm just going to go. I need to process things that we just spoke about right now before Heather walked up. Bye, I got a hug.

57:11Ben Mandelker: And here I was, ready to talk about my new fun era, as evidenced by me yelling at Vicky, we did not inherit our money. So Tamara's like, talking behind my back about boxes and stuff and saying that she puts me in a box makes you think wow are you really my real friend putting me in boxes i could suffocate die in a box kind of my heart assuming my heart is in a box so jen is like i just told her that you know you're in rooms

57:37Ronnie Karam: and you're not around and there's shit that's being said oh jen misaccountability misaccountability jen of course is gonna lie the second heather walks up like i was just saying you know like Everybody has to put her in a box.

57:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she basically just told her that you put her in a box and that's how you deal with it.

57:57Ronnie Karam: No, I said that she puts everybody in a box. I said that, yeah, everybody's in a box. That's what I said. I do not put people in boxes.

58:05Ben Mandelker: That's what Alfredo was there for.

58:07Ronnie Karam: We should stop saying put people in a box in a funeral home. Am I right? Ba-dum-cha! So Jen's like, yeah, we all said that. We all said it. so Gina's like you know what Jen is stepping in shit right now and like Ben instead of getting out of the shit and cleaning the show she like put her other foot in the shot not both the feet are in the shot

58:31Ben Mandelker: I felt the other night we had a very real conversation where she probably didn't like what I had to say and Jen's like yeah I wasn't there but I'm like so grateful that we're starting to do that that's great you're having those sort of conversations and it was all said then, but that was forward motion, and now it feels like backwards. You understand what you've done. Because I'm unbothered now, I'm not giving you a very angry monologue and using words like adjudicate, but just know my eyes are saying it.

59:07Ronnie Karam: You know, I thought Jen and I were simpatico, But now Hearing that she's talking behind my back And making us go backwards It's basically a new girl Saying Lou It's a disappointment I'm going to have to think about this one So Jen's like well sometimes we have to go backwards And we have to be really honest to go forward Right? Because if we're backwards

59:36Ronnie Karam: Jen, Jen, Jen So Jen pretending she's missing accountability, but then also walking around refusing to take accountability when she's starting all the shit.

59:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah, not a good look. Not a good look. And Heather is, it basically ends with Heather saying, well, Tamara wouldn't say goodbye to me and she wouldn't even look me in the eye. She just left. And it's going to come back in a different direction. Direction. Direction.

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