#3468: In the City S1E10 Part One: Mom Fights and Turning West

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1:30Ronnie Karam: Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good. How are you doing today? What's going on in your world, in your real life?

1:37Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm just mourning the fate of yet another Salt Lake City couple going down in flames. Whitney and Justin are rumored to be living separately. Whoa. Oh, I'm only laughing because, of course, Whitney comes out like Whitney leaks this news to page six, you know, after Angie. Angie's stuff hits the news like two days prior. It's like, wait a second. I have a storyline like that, too. So it looks like it's Salt Lake City is going to be a doozy of a season. I'll tell you that much. Real uplifting. A lot of breakups.

2:18Ronnie Karam: It's going to be a lot of depressing shit happening this time. But, you know, those housewives marriages, it's very difficult to make them last.

2:25Ben Mandelker: it's very very different i think that marriage is hard in general and then when it's on tv it's even harder so um you know good luck good luck to all those who go down the housewives path with a partner and uh are hoping to stay intact because it's not easy i mean i think the only ones who have lasted at this point are lisa and ken and maybe heather and terry i think everyone else has fallen by the wayside right really i don't know i'm not counting them in my head but

2:56Ronnie Karam: yikes i saw a video of bronwyn in the hospital with todd todd was getting something done god knows what i think his farter was getting like zipped up or something and then um bronwyn was twerking for him in the hospital so i mean i thought that was cute i guess that young lady we do not do that in hospitals a public space ma 'am he was like a twerking walrus or whatever you know her blow-up outfit yeah well that's nice of her um but anyway the point is that marriages

3:27Ben Mandelker: don't last on bravo and there could be no better example of that than here on in the city with amanda and kyle who i think we all thought we're going to be a forever couple i mean there was no

3:37Ronnie Karam: reason to oh yeah otherwise well we've certainly been hoping just kidding this podcast has been rooting for their demise since episode two of season one because god what an annoying couple Jesus, shut up, the both of you. I'll tell you one thing that does last in families, coyote families. Man, the coyote in my house, I thought it was one coyote stalking me in Bueller. It's been every day that this fucker's out there. I got camera, well, a camera out there in the little backyard area that's fenced in and everything. And it is a family. I got the whole family on camera today. And can I tell you, I'm such a sucker.

4:13Ronnie Karam: This thing wants to murder my dog. It's already tried to kill it. and now it's stalking me and i'm freaking out because i can't find anybody to help me i'm putting every deterrent wolf pee i'm doing the whole thing guys everything you're suggesting to me i'm doing it okay but they're still fucking there and i see these puppies on the camera and of course i'm like oh they are so cute and one of them's even like it's like making little baby coyote noises as it runs around the yard i think there's three babies and one mom i'm guessing it's a mom not to be sexist but i don't know they're running around there and now suddenly i think they're cute unfortunately they're gonna eat bueller so okay yeah don't really know what to do but just to update everybody right when you think it's not a coyote it's a fucking family of coyotes living somewhere on this this here hill i was gonna say i thought it was strange

5:06Ben Mandelker: that there was just one single coyote but i didn't want to i don't want to be a fear monger because i know you were already very upset about the coyote situation but yeah that does make sense Are you going to share with the world the family photos? Because I think I need to see these coyote puppies.

5:22Ronnie Karam: Oh, I tried sending you the video and it didn't work. You know what? I'll send it to my computer and get it ready. But I don't want to make everybody sit here and wait for me to do it. So I'll show it later in the recap.

5:33Ben Mandelker: Okay, you'll show it later. And by the way, if you want to see these coyote pictures while we're podcasting, then that's a great segue to remind people that we do actually offer a video component. uh you get it for the first seven days that it's up on patreon and then it goes over to youtube so uh yeah definitely check out crap is on demand on patreon.com slash watch what happens and they also give our youtube a subscribe okay because we're gonna be putting some more stuff up there it'll be fun um but today it is all about in the city their first reunion it's a clubhouse reunion which always has that kind of weird energy it's kind of like it's like brisk and quiet and um you know it was uh it was sort of fun uh the whole gang was there they were you know piled into that studio they barely could all fit in there i mean poor yvonne she was so far off to the side you could almost like the set was like ending behind her it was like you could almost start to see like exit signs and like ladders etc oh the coyote photo is ready okay it's a video oh

6:35Ronnie Karam: i didn't mean to put it up this quickly i was just preparing it okay yeah here's the video okay i I will scroll through it slowly. Well, it's 25 seconds, so it's no big deal. And you can't hear the video. You see it walking there? Yeah, I saw a coyote walk by. Okay, you saw it. That's a coyote. Now look, here they all come. Look at the cute little puppies. I mean, honestly. They are cute, but look, there's another one. Oh, it's right up on your stuff.

7:00Ben Mandelker: It's like walking on your, what is that? What is that ledge?

7:05Ronnie Karam: It's the walkway. It's the little ledge that goes down from the walkway. so i think are there two adults and three children what did we just see here you guys i could never be a cop and i'm like staring at a video that's the area where you normally walk bueller like that's that's bueller's little area in there so three there's like two adults and three babies or three children they're not really babies but look at that three of the these are all the babies and then here comes the mom again the babies yeah they are all in there this is scary yeah that's where bueller goes out i mean i'm with him now i'm standing out there with a knife a plastic thing full of spoons to shake it then to shake it it is that what people say um plastic and spoons yeah you have to make a lot of noise so it's like you know and then i scream and um i've got these little coyote detector things that are supposed to give sonic waves or what.

8:04Ronnie Karam: I'm sure they're not going to work, but I'm putting those all over. I've got cameras. I'm armed, but these fuckers, let me tell you who's not scared. The fuckface family. That's what I call them. Fuckface family out here chilling. They are very cute. You know, I don't want them to die. I just want them to move. Would you say that they're wily? They're fuckface, little fuckfaces. Okay, that's enough of that. Nobody came to hear that shit. They're adorable little fuckfaces. I just wanted to update everybody because, you know, I'm very worried about it.

8:36Ben Mandelker: I don't know what we're going to have to do. I mean, it's a shame. It's a shame that they're so cute and they're such a nuisance. It's terrible when that happens.

8:44Ronnie Karam: We should just get Amanda and Kyle out there fighting. No one wants to be around that. Kyle! So this was a notable episode because it's the first episode recorded after Amanda and West went to Italy, which has been yes huge on the internet it's like everybody's following it was following them all around italy and i mean still it's like amanda's at a walgreens amanda's at a walgreens and everyone's like fuck amanda they're on the on the you know social media like oh fuck her in a walgreens what does she think she's doing getting some cold medicine fucking bitch i hope she dies in the sleep

9:21Ben Mandelker: this was also a notable episode because um a wayward glam squad member seemed to have attacked some of the male cast members with lip gloss because wow these guys had lip gloss up the wazoo i mean everything was shining off of it wasn't just like on their lips it was like they had like lip gloss mustaches i was like could someone uh pull back on the lip gloss here this is just too much kenny i mean kenny just had like the entire time he had just like this shine coming off of like like over his lip i was like guys we can pull back a little bit on this lip gloss it's

9:55Ronnie Karam: too much yeah and then um i did kenny have a little rouge or something he had like little rosy cheeks uh i'm not sure um but lindsey had this like focus but on like clip-on ponytail thing that was a rat's nest amanda was saying she did her own hair and i think we all collectively said we know and i don't know what is a clubhouse thing where they're like our budget is two dollars and everyone needs to equally look unkempt i know georgina looked really great but they put her

10:27Ben Mandelker: on the stool in the back so she was just like up there above everyone else um i liked it because

10:32Ronnie Karam: it was like her stool of judgment because georgina came in like ready she was like this is my first reunion and i'm about to tell people the fuck off and she's kind of sitting above everybody with her legs crossed just looking down at everybody arguing i liked it i like that for her she deserved it

10:49Ben Mandelker: she deserved it um but yeah uh it opened up with um andy uh welcoming everyone and he's like i'm andy cohen and i almost wore a whitish pink suit tonight but after what happened to danielle i went right back to my dressing room and i changed very quickly all right hi everyone ivana nick Congrats on expecting Nick. You buckle up because you're going to have a whole lot of nothing to say for the next two hours. Okay, Gavin, what's going on with you, Gavin?

11:24Ronnie Karam: Nick has the most amazing way of expressing himself with no expression at all. Like he's Botoxed, I guess, to the hilt where his face doesn't move. But it's always got kind of a, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm judging you. But also, where am I face? It's like all the same thing, and that's the only expression he can give. I really like him, and I like his little comments that he makes.

11:48Ben Mandelker: Well, because he's also judging every chair in the room. He's like, I can't believe I'm sitting on this$12 mail-order chair when I could be sitting on a symphony of wood in construction known as a new chair.

12:02Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, because this set is very mid-century modern, and he deals in mid-century modern. but this isn't expensive. You know, this is like mid-century modern look that you buy on. I don't know. I don't know where. I don't want to offend anybody, but you know, it's like a, like your Wayfair, your Amazon, something like that. And Nick's like, how dare you? I have the original chairs that Don, what's his face from Mad Men sat in and judged people. Don Lemon.

12:34Ben Mandelker: Donald, Don Draper, Don Draper Lemon. He had a, he got into a time machine. One of them got into a time machine and then had a gay wedding with the other one. And they became Don and Don Lemon Draper. And then Don Knotts sat on it later. Whose birthday was yesterday. God bless him.

12:53Ben Mandelker: Can I say my hot day? Because I never thought Don Knotts was as funny as everyone else thought. There, I said it. Wow.

12:59Ronnie Karam: Whoa. I like Don Knotts slander on this show. Don Knotts was a brilliant, brilliant person. And I'm not going to hear it from you.

13:07Ben Mandelker: I like Don Knotts. He was very funny. You know, Mr. Furley, great. But I just don't think he's as great as everyone else thinks.

13:15Ronnie Karam: Well, one of my first teams, I loved Don Knotts so much. One of my first improv teams was around the time Angelina Jolie had her son Maddox. And so we said, let's name it Maddox. And I was like, but also something like stupid. Well, you know, we were like, who's stupid? But we could also mix with Maddox. So guess what it was called? Maddox Furley. so every c i every time i see maddox or don knots i just think wow god i miss you improv you're like improv themed um i'm sorry to have shat on some of the legacy of that memory that wasn't right

13:53Ben Mandelker: of me i'm basically just like a coyote stinking up your yard at this moment but um yeah gavin is there he got a he got a nice front row seat uh because some people got front row some people got Pacro and Andy's like have you noticed a spike in business at your bar since the show started? He's like I have. People are showing up. Are people like going out of their way to go to Gavin's bar now? I mean I'm not judging it but I feel like Gavin's bar did not get the same like mythology as like going to sir or pump or like pizza mama you know I feel like Gavin's bar we don't even remember the name of it you know.

14:33Ben Mandelker: if anything i would go yeah i don't remember the name either i think one of the most popular ones

14:37Ronnie Karam: they went to was by a five guys and the only sign i could really see was five guys i was like why are they at a five guys but i think that was one of his bars right wait a second is he claiming

14:46Ben Mandelker: five guys imagine if he's like yeah people are coming to my bar all the time it's like they're going to five guys downstairs you're a speakeasy um yeah i don't think so i don't i don't know the

14:57Ronnie Karam: names of it either but i'm not a big pay attention of restaurant names on bravo mozambique is as far

15:03Ben Mandelker: as i go really unless that's a hilarious name or stupid if it's stupid like audrey's like unfortunately i don't know that one but um i think his name it was something like something tavern maybe it was like bro tavern you have to go up a staircase it's above the five guys and inside are gonna be like several straight douchebags so why wouldn't you go and where they're slivering

15:23Ronnie Karam: hot girls they have like camera feeds so that uh kenny can sit at home and see who's hot and then go to the bar creepy creepville so of course bravo fans are like i'm going there yes let's make a trip to the creepy sliver bar just staring into the camera like hi kenny am i cute enough am i cute enough for you to come drink at the bar uh it's time for a commercial it's time for a

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17:35Ben Mandelker: So then Andy is like, hey, Georgina, has Kyle hit you up for any butt mojocks lately? She's like, that would be a HIPAA violation to answer. So I can't say. Is it?

17:49Ronnie Karam: I didn't know HIPAA covered Botox. Well, I don't know. It probably does. I want to know if that's true or not because I want to be able to treat my Botox lady like a priest. Go in there and just talk about all my shit. Yeah, I think you should. To kind of do anyway. Or you could just go to a priest.

18:12Ronnie Karam: They always want 10 % of your income. Like you think Botox is expensive. Become religious.

18:18Ben Mandelker: I need to get a new therapist. And I am so not looking forward to finding a new therapist. I'm so not looking forward to going down that.

18:27Ronnie Karam: That's such a process. Dating. Yeah, it's dating.

18:30Ben Mandelker: I know, therapist dating. My lovely therapist passed away. And so now it's time to get back on the saddle.

18:40Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, yeah, it's like dating and it's, I guess, like dating, kind of like modern dating. You have to whip out all of your traumas right at the beginning. It's like your first date, but start with your traumas. What are we blaming our parents for? You know, what resentments do we have towards our siblings? Let's just get it all out there. And, you know, you've only got 45 minutes. So it's like, okay, here we go. Overweight child, gay. I knew it. Everyone didn't really know what it was. I mean, I was gay, but I didn't know what gay gay was. I just knew I liked show tunes and tap shoes. My mom was really mean to me.

19:13Ronnie Karam: I don't even know it was her fault. I mean, it was her mom's fault, really. I think her dad was an alcoholic. They didn't really call it back then because everybody was an alcoholic. Am I right? Seriously, still hurt by it. I'm 50. I know I should get over it. But it's like you have to just, like, get in there, tap dance, and then you have five minutes for their response. And then you have that five minutes to decide whether or not you want to dump any more trauma on this person. And if not, on to the next.

19:40Ben Mandelker: like get that get that trauma back up buddy and that's why i'm gonna hire dr ken because at this point i'm just gonna only use bravo therapists um meaning meaning trying to get me to come back to the video screen oh it's dr that's dr jeff dr ken is the one who treated candace and her mother and he's like so have you thought about being a more traditional woman um so yeah we'll see we'll see how that all works out um this is nothing my answer is yes but i didn't pay this bill so

20:16Ronnie Karam: let's just move on so then we go to amanda and um he's like how are you amanda because this was still in the height of amanda and west craziness and it's like um i'm okay

20:31Ben Mandelker: making faces like wow okay and uh how are you approaching today differently i know you actually did your own hair it's much like yes i did my own hair makeup and styling so no one can get in trouble and if you hate it then you know that's on me as are most of my actions oh god here we go

20:56Ronnie Karam: she's coming in with the great bravo apologizer attitude today which is just like every every action i take responsibility for and then she tells a bunch of more lies while she does it

21:11Ben Mandelker: she's um well at least she has a pulse this time around at least she's actually responsive and has uh words that she can use all right lindsey hi is jemma still the master of the side eye. Yeah, she is. Okay, where'd she get that? I don't know. It's like crazy genetics work. I'm teaching her how to use threads at this very moment.

21:34Ronnie Karam: She's a little young for threads. Not facial threads. The actual app. Okay. So then we move on to Kyle Cook and he's great. Everybody's great, guys. And Andy wants to know, how is your asshole doing? Well, listen, Kyle, that was a joke question. You don't really need to go on and on answering about it. So we get a clip about Kyle's butthole and then he talks about how much Metamucil really kind of ruined his life and it literally broke his butt. Yeah.

22:05Ben Mandelker: I was hoping I'd make the but yeah, it took a while. I'm finally recovered. It's all good. And he's like, really? Oh, hey, Kenny and Whitney. How's it going? How's your spark these days? Did you remember to charge Whitney's batteries? and kenny's like it's andy thank you it's phenomenal our spark is so great like we just our spark is wonderful isn't that right whitney our spark is very great and so wonderful isn't that right whitney no you're not supposed to say that last part whit oh sorry andy i am sick of

22:41Ronnie Karam: everybody coming for our spark i have had to defend us our spark for years and i'm tired of it this reunion is a very good competition it's very exciting to watch lindsey and kenny compete over who can be the most overdramatic about stupid shit they're both ridiculous and i kind of loved it both of them i think bring a lot of life to this show god bless that couple no kenny's a

23:06Ben Mandelker: great villain i mean he's so insufferable but he's he's uh like we needed a villain on this show and so they they got the right one with him uh lindsey was pretty insufferable too in this

23:17Ronnie Karam: reunion. And by insufferable, I mean, I was rolling my eyes, but also clapping and laughing because, goddammit, why is she so funny to me? Someone in the comments was like, I just don't understand all the yassification of Lindsay. Look, I get Lindsay is obnoxious as hell. I mean, that's who she is. I just agree with her most of the time, and I think she's funny as fuck. So, you know, certain things you just forgive and cheer.

23:40Ben Mandelker: We like that she's fearless. There are a lot of times I do not agree with Lindsay, And there are a lot of times where I think she can be very self-serving. But she is fearless in what she wants to go after. And she speaks her mind. And we've always loved that on these shows. And she does it in a way that's not like trying to have like a – she's not trying to be like a reality star necessarily. She's like naturally a reality star. I'm trying to think of a good example of someone who just tries too hard to have a moment. And you're like, stop it. You're doing too much. versus someone who just has moments because that's just what comes out of them.

24:15Ben Mandelker: You know, her damage is such that she just makes beautiful reality TV moments. So like, you know, if you go back and listen to all the Summer House recaps, you can hear like definitely season one, I was incredibly anti-Lindsey. I was like, oh God, all she does is like suck out all the air of the room and she's very self-centered and she just wants all the attention on her and da-da-da. And I've sort of given myself over to Lindsay and realizing that these are actually features, not flaws. and so that is where my yassification of Lindsay comes from

24:42Ronnie Karam: well you know if you ever look at food in a ziploc bag and you suck the air out of it with a straw it keeps the food fresh so you see sucking the air out of the room maybe has led to the longevity of this show there you go guys yes that's exactly what I was thinking that was science you're welcome Daniel and Owen you guys are expecting Well, first of all, congratulations to everybody on this cast for getting pregnant within five minutes of each other. They're like, yeah, we did it. Because everybody got pregnant over Labor Day, which, what a funny time to get pregnant. I know, right?

25:23Ben Mandelker: They all got excited at the same time. So, well, they didn't get pregnant over Labor Day. They all got pregnant, and many of them are due on Labor Day. Oh, right. Even better. Danielle's baby was due on Labor Day, but I think she had her baby already, in fact.

25:38Ronnie Karam: Right? She had it early. Her baby has been in NICU, and she's been there posting videos holding the sweet little baby. Okay. Do we know if the baby is okay? The baby's okay, yes. It's just born really early, so it has to stay incubated. I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't know enough about it, but babies come out early, and then they put them in a little other egg. Thank you. And then they, you know.

26:05Ben Mandelker: Well, we just, we hope that baby is A-OK. And so. We would hope it's OK, even if it was ugly. Would you imagine if he said we didn't hope it was OK? I mean, what sort of monsters? Could you imagine? Yeah. And then Andrea and Lexi also, their baby is due on September 2nd. And Andy's like, wow. I mean, this is, whoa, wow. Oh, my God. And I think there might be someone else who's even pregnant. Yvonne's like, yes, hi, it's me. If you look in the shadows, I am here and I am pregnant as well. I'm also on this show. Oh, is that one of our grips? Is that, who is that who's talking over there in the corner?

26:48Ben Mandelker: Oh, it must be standards and practices. Pregnant, who is that? Me, Yvonne.

26:53Ronnie Karam: It is Lexi. And he's like, wow, Andrea, I guess the prosciutto method works. And Lexi's like, our child is going to see this one day, Andy. Your child is going to stop watching the second their dad comes on shirtless in his underwear. They're going to be like, Nana, I don't need to see my dad walking around in his underwear, okay? Show me something else. Do we have Nickelodeon? Anything else?

27:19Ben Mandelker: Well, let's get into it. As the entire world knows by now, after a call, Amanda's marriage went south. Amanda found herself swerving west. Directional puns There's been a ton of online speculation About where you two stand today So let's start here What's going on with Italy Andrea's family, right?

27:42Ronnie Karam: Everybody's been passing around pictures Of you spitting in West's mouth That's pretty good Come on, Amanda She's like, um, that was an olive Okay So you were spitting an olive into his mouth Well, at least it has some sustenance Okay

27:59Ben Mandelker: yeah that's i don't know if i want to watch you bird bird methoding an olive back and forth also why are we sharing the olive why does he not have his own olive was it that you put the olive in your mouth and didn't like it and spat it back it does the olive does not make it better it just makes it more visual makes it more round makes it a more round issue but it's still the same

28:20Ronnie Karam: grossness yeah but the spitting on each other and spitting in each other's mouth i mean that's just a thing that people do now. You know, it happened to me once. I've told that story. After Gay Pride I made out with some dude years ago and he spit in my face and I smacked him. I was like, who does that? I'd never heard of that before. But I guess that's a thing that people really got into, just spitting at each other. Yeah.

28:45Ben Mandelker: Well, everyone, I got a lot of heat because I only asked Wes if he was on a beta blocker. So people want me to ask you, were you, you know, disengaged chemically just say on drugs and so Amanda's like no I mean I was on a beta blocker but like that's not why I disengaged I think after a while I just like I mean you guys have seen it cause like when I get into arguments with Kyle my defense mechanism is just to like shut down and disassociate so it wasn't because of medication um yeah

29:22Ronnie Karam: okay so um And now we're talking about Amanda and West.

29:27Ben Mandelker: That's actually my response. That is my exact response when I watch Amanda and Kyle.

29:33Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I just disassociated right now. All you did was read her line, and I was like, spitting in mouths. Five guys. Coyote family. God, I would love some five guys. So, guys, I hope you're not sick of talking about Amanda and West, because we're going to do it for the next half hour. So how does everybody else feel about Amanda and Wes? Is everybody shocked? And they're like, they're so shocked. Everybody's shocked. Danielle's disappointed. Oh, okay, Danielle.

30:05Ben Mandelker: Danielle, who has documented this season as really never being friends with Amanda, despite all their attempts to be friends. They just never really were friends. Now she's disappointed. If I were Amanda, I'd be like, I don't give a fuck if you're disappointed. You're not my friend.

30:19Ronnie Karam: I don't care how you feel about me. Moral Mallory over there is very disappointed. Although Danielle did earn this because Amanda was super shitty to her the whole season. She was. She's with someone who's still married. So Danielle deserves it. She deserves to get her disappointed in there. And so Danielle says she's disappointed because of how it all unfolded. And I hate that you doubled down. And then you pursued this all the way to Italy. I know you had to make a decision. But I just wish you had taken some time for yourself to be alone. you're with somebody who's like just left his wife i don't think that advice works coming from you know because you could have told him that too you know but again she kind of earned this with

31:07Ben Mandelker: amanda so go ahead i mean have your fun danielle's not wrong danielle's not wrong amanda needed to be like need to be alone and single for once in her life rather than jumping into something right away so i actually 100 agree that like amanda should not have gone down this path but i also do think like if you're gonna go down this path and you better do this path because like you cause a lot of damage for it to just be like a little like a fling and like no we're not gonna see each other like you guys better make it work it's like my old boss used to say like uh i don't know if this is actually a truism but in movies if like a stunt man dies like you use that take in the movie because you don't want his death to be in vain now i don't that's actually wow movies that's kind of like it's like a snuff film oh yeah that's why i think they actually don't do that but it's kind of like but he said it so i always believed like well they got to use that take because he gave his life for it but you're right i don't think they're going to show someone actually dying on screen but the point is this like as long as you're going to create this drama you might like you better you better try to make it work because like that's

32:12Ronnie Karam: otherwise you're being just stupid i don't agree with you no matter honestly i just i just think if If you create a lot of drama and everybody has a fit and then you decide the next day you hate the guy, then dump him. I don't – the pressure – I think everybody is under too much pressure to make a relationship work for whatever reason. And I don't – people are going to – at this point, people are going to hate Amanda either way.

32:37Ben Mandelker: It's more like I would rather know that you went into something not thoughtlessly, but you went in with true intention, right? Like, like, you know, if it turns out that they really, this is actually like a real deal relationship. I would prefer that more than, oh, we thought like we were, I thought he was cute. He's not, and he thought I was cute. And I don't know, we thought we'd try something and I don't know. It's kind of like that makes it even more thoughtless and more awful. because it's like you actually you cause all this destruction for what you know at least it's like when i say you better it's not like well you now you have now you're forced to make it work it's more like i would hope i would hope that like there was something there that was worth it for you to to cause this destruction because otherwise it's really shitty i look at it as like ordering

33:25Ronnie Karam: something on a menu and then you eat a few bites and you're full and then you send it back and people are like well excuse me you're paying for that and that's a whole thing you just ordered but that's it that's all i wanted and now i'm sending it back and guess what also i'm not saying it's wasteful it's wasteful but you know i paid for it and it does not it's not any different there's the same amount of food that has been portioned off whether i eat it or not that's what i say The sunk cost fallacy.

33:54Ben Mandelker: Not eating it. Yeah, the sunk cost fallacy. That's what that is. I'm medicated. And I'm not eating it. If there's ever been something that epitomized the sunk cost fallacy, it's dating Wes Wilson.

34:09Ronnie Karam: Well, and that's another reason I don't think that she should be like, well, I caused all this destruction. I'm going to make it work no matter what because Wes Wilson is going to fuck you over. Everybody knows it. Everybody sees the pattern except you. And she sees the pattern. And she just thinks that she's going to be that one who's different, just like she did with Kyle. And, you know, there's not really anything you can do for people like that, except stop, like, taking their calls. Because you're sick of hearing about it 15 years later, you know. So, God bless them both. Go with God, the both of you.

34:44Ronnie Karam: Well, I am going to call that preacher.

34:48Ben Mandelker: Well, okay.

34:49Ronnie Karam: I can't stop saying that ever since Elsie came back on. I'm just walking around going, hmm.

34:55Ben Mandelker: Hmm. I know. Well, that's very interesting. I know. When a new Orange County starts up, I'm just in Shannon Bedore mode. So anyway, Amanda does her typical line of like, I can't go back and change the fact that I wasn't honest and had hit things, blah, blah, blah. So Andy's like, has anyone hung out with Amanda West? Anyone here in this group? Like, no. Gavin, have they turned up at any of your bars? And he's like, they know better than that. what is this like an old west town you're not welcome here you don't show your face in this

35:31Ronnie Karam: tavern all the chairs back up um so danielle's like why what would you do if they came and um gavin's like cut cut cut and he's like rejected at the door and amanda says yeah i mean we're not really going out in general so really because you're all over the social media going out all the time.

35:56Ben Mandelker: Are you two monogamous now? She's like, yes. Okay, well, we'll see. We'll see how that pans out. Are you in love?

36:06Ronnie Karam: She's like, um, and she gives us her yes, but I'm not going to tell you face. She's waiting for everybody to calm down so she can get some kind of Us Weekly article where they announce that they're in love. And she's like, that's a weird question and answer. And Yvonne says, well, do you say I love you? And she says, um, not really. Okay, so have you ever? No. Well, love you counts. Danielle's like, love you counts. It doesn't have to be love you. Love you counts. She's like, oh. So like, illy? Illy then? And everybody laughs. So I think that this means Amanda says I love you. and West probably says really romantic things like, thank you.

36:53Ben Mandelker: I think what it is is that they're not at a point yet where they're saying I love you or feeling in love, but she doesn't want to deal with people saying, so you did all this for someone you don't even love. So she's trying to kind of hedge against that criticism. That's what I believe. But either way. Well, I guess we'll find out. that makes sense when you left did you leave feeling that there was nothing left on set at the reunion or were you like disappointed with your performance like were you fine with it how did you feel she goes um for sure i was disappointed in my performance and i definitely wanted to come in and be able to apologize and provide more clarity and come off as like like sad and hurt like not hurt but like i'm upset that i hurt people and like i think the energy i went into defense mode and like that's not to blame anyone but like sierra was being really mean to me but i just don't want to blame anyone and i understand where everyone was coming from but like my natural mode is to get defensive unless i'm going on the offense with kyle but otherwise defensive so um yeah i don't love the way i handled myself at all okay so uh t t l dr

38:10Ronnie Karam: you wish you didn't get defensive. She's like, yeah, not at all. Yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah, no. And Nick says, he's like, I don't know, West, but I do know about you and I've cared about you for a long time. And it seems like the things you were upset with Kyle about you just getting West, but maybe like 10 times worse. Is that what I'm getting from this? And it's like, no, actually, like that's not what I've been experiencing like whatsoever. And on the flip side, I'm actually getting from him things I built. I was locking in my relationship with Kyle. Commercials, here comes one right now. Losing weight can be like trying to roll a wheelbarrow up a hill.

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40:41Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, you do have someone staying at home all the time with you, mostly because people are throwing tomatoes at you in the street still. But hey, at the end of the day, at least you've got someone to sit on the couch.

40:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah, well, she says that she has someone who's just like supportive of her feelings. And Kyle's like, oh, wow. So let me know when he does your taxes and negotiates a brand deal and makes your bed, which is such a kind of response like even I have to defend Amanda on this one that like there's a difference between like doing things for someone versus being emotionally supportive right yeah but he's like so literal about it literally you had to like change a lightbulb and I literally stood under you on the ladder and held you up so that way you wouldn't fall like if that's not support I don't know what is like well I think she wants the support of like her husband being in bed with her at night, not like out at a club until four in the morning.

41:34Ben Mandelker: I think that's what she's talking about.

41:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think that's what she's talking about, too. But I do also think that he's that's his love language, is doing responsible things. Like, well, you know, I made sure that your driver's license was renewed. So, I think that's just his love language, you know? And then the, like, going out and making out with other people and stuff, he doesn't really consider part of that whole, you know? And her love language is, you know, be home with me and watch Netflix and, you know, don't do anything. You know, we know hers. So these two just aren't a match, basically. And she's like, well, I didn't say you don't support me, Kyle, but at the end of our relationship, there were things that were missing.

42:18Ronnie Karam: I'm like, I mean, there were things that were lacking. And he's like, to this day, I'm still doing things to help you. So, I mean, it just hurts when you say things like that. Like, I understand I'm not perfect. Okay. There was stuff that was missing, but there was support. Yeah, Kyle's still missing the point.

42:35Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he is. And so Manda's like, just the way he talks to me and tells me, it's just like his actions, but it's just different. It's like, okay, well, I hope you understand that everything everybody here is saying is because they care about you. Don't forget that, Manda. I know that. And I get people and you're like, I just don't want to turn your back. And I know it's like to have to sit here and do it all over again, take the criticism, and it's like, Liz, Liz, you're coming to another reunion and just like no way that you're gonna nothing you're gonna say that's gonna make it right and she's like i know yeah so i give you credit for taking it on the chin and it's the first time that he said the right thing to anybody so it's not the first time that she he said the right thing to somebody so uh just remember that manda she's like yeah kyle and um can he what that's about i got a new haircut i went back to my season one hair I guess that's how you know I'm single again.

43:25Ben Mandelker: Single Kyle.

43:29Ronnie Karam: And then Kenny's like, wow, Kyle, you've been so dignified throughout this whole thing. You know what? I just want to say men just don't get enough credit in today's world. Am I right? Look at how strong Kyle has been through this whole thing. Really? Because in the season finale, Lindsay clearly said Kyle's been, Kyle's cheated multiple times and we just don't say anything about it. So I guess we're just all still pretending, you know, like I get that, you know, what Amanda did is bad. I've been ragging on Amanda for months, but the fact that Kyle can come in here and is like the poor, innocent Kyle, that the guys are like, yeah, you're just so strong, And Kyle, wow.

44:15Ronnie Karam: Kyle's been cheating forever on Amanda. Can we stop? The thing that was offensive about Amanda in this whole situation was the Sierra aspect and fucking over your friends. As far as fucking West goes or fucking anybody else goes in your marriage, you go for it. You definitely earned that pass. I don't care if she fucked somebody while they were still married. Kyle's done it a million times. So to me, it's just not about that. So it's so funny that everybody's like, oh, Kyle, you're just so brave, Kyle.

44:46Ben Mandelker: Please. I know. Seriously. So I just think there's something about Kenny being like, you've been so dignified. Because he's never going to say that about a woman. He's never going to see a woman in a situation and say, I just have to say, you've been so dignified. But like a bro, he'll be like, you, sir, are a national hero. But you know what? we need to have parades in the street for you because you are a man who had to deal with a tough situation from a woman and you're doing it with class. So Amanda is like...

45:16Ronnie Karam: He's amazed how he supports Amanda. Georgina's like, yeah, it's a testament to your character. A real testament. So Andy's like, okay, well, what's your perspective, Amanda, about Kyle's conversation with West and in general his level of support? She's like, I mean, I'm eternally grateful for Kyle. I just think it shows that we love each other the most and we can still communicate and have friendship. And that's why when we first separated, I was always standing up for Kyle. I'm sorry, can we see one scene of that ever? I've never seen a scene of Amanda standing up for Kyle. Especially this year.

45:59Ben Mandelker: Yeah, definitely not. every scene it's been her saying oh she's completely not supported by kyle and uh it's been misery for years and years and she's like i didn't want people to attack him unless it was

46:13Ronnie Karam: people i was living with and i'm just kind of talking into attacking him yeah exactly so and

46:21Ben Mandelker: he's like okay well uh so what's it like hanging out with single kyle now everyone can he and uh Georgina's like, oh, when he's not making out with somebody? And he's like, well, what I'll do? Is single Kyle that different from married Kyle? Thank you. Yeah, exactly. He's like, he is true to himself, as all men should be. And Kyle's like, oh.

46:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't have, like, this guilt trip. Every time I want to make out with somebody. And Lucy's like, yeah, he's just more in public with his makeouts now. So, Amanda, do you care about him making out with someone? new now and she's like no because like i mourned our relationship while i was still in it so like now he tells me about makeouts like we laugh about them you know it's like i saw you kissing megan on your tippy toes i was on my tippy toes i had platform shoes come on yeah we laugh about it

47:19Ben Mandelker: and georgia is like and at our premiere party he was telling amanda you know uh like kyle was like saying, you know, like, I'm proud of you, and she had tears in her eyes, and Kyle's like, yeah, I don't know how that came up.

47:31Ronnie Karam: It's like, yeah, I mean, I'm like, what's going on right now? And also how he had sober sex on the... He's like, whoa, what? Why are we talking about that? Whoa, sober sex! Who's having sober sex?

47:45Ben Mandelker: Who? Let's dwell on this for the next five minutes of airtime! So now we get into this big, long segment about kyle and his sex life and so georgina is like i mean how do you know you're over somebody when you're proud of them like having sober sex am i right guys am i right uh do people hear me on this duel or am i just uh alone in a vacuum okay oh god and then kenny well if you're fully

48:10Ronnie Karam: processing this you know and the way that you're showing up for her the way that you guys are so still so friendly god kyle i mean given the level of betrayal here by a woman um it's like wow you're are you really allowing yourself to fully feel the freedom that you deserved after being so completely, you know, screwed over by a biblical Jezebel? What, how do you feel about that?

48:35Ben Mandelker: And Amanda's like, uh, hello, there was no betrayal. I didn't cheat on Kyle. I didn't have an affair. There was no crossover or overlap. Our marriage was done. And Kyle's like, well, okay. The only thing I'll say is that I can't compute is like our statement comes out on the 18th and then two weekends, happen then to the super bowl and everyone says the super bowl is where you guys were like an item and she's like but that didn't happen okay like we were just texting but i'm like if you guys were texting that means we're already like a thing and i was like yeah but this is just a full-blown lie

49:08Ronnie Karam: i mean the fact that she's coming here and being like no we weren't even together right then like amanda come on you know you're lying you know you're you know you're a damn liar don't make

49:18Ben Mandelker: me drag chicken fry into this yeah yeah like this was it was something was happening i think she's good i think she's like betting on semantics like we weren't official we were just hanging out and um amanda's like well you made out with someone before i was even texting west in any sort of way and i'm like yeah but i think the issue is like the random makeouts after like the statement goes out i think that's like okay but this wasn't random makeout this was people that you know that was in the circle and like being an item is more than a make-out

49:48Ronnie Karam: situation i mean i don't have to even look at this anymore because everyone knows

49:53Ben Mandelker: it's like yeah it's like talk about talking about priestly endeavors we're preaching to the choir

49:59Ronnie Karam: yeah we it's just you know we've all been the whole world has been talking about it for so long at this point i'm just it's just the typical come on and apologize but then still sit here and lie to everybody's faces like i can't so but the hypocrisy stands with carl like well it really hurt me because there's a timeline you said this i'm sure you were making out with someone before i was even texting with west like what are you talking about guys like oh yeah okay well yeah i mean that's true like the night before premiere party yeah he was and lindsey's like yeah he was making out with sally the night before uh the summer house premiere so he's like i'm so hurt you were making out with somebody oh yeah you were too oh yeah

50:46Ben Mandelker: blank you know i guess that did happen so the hypocrisy darling uh so then uh they start talking about how he had sex sober sex with sally and how was it and gavin's like did you do the lawnmower and it's like okay well uh since nothing happens outside of the Bravosphere, we got Lala from the Valley saying that she heard on good authority that you were great in bed. I'm like, why are we talking about this? This has nothing to do with in the city. And so Kyle is like, yeah, well, I woke up from a text from about TMZ and page six asking for a comment. And I was like, whoa, this is the one time I would like to comment, right?

51:30Ben Mandelker: Right? Should we keep talking about this, guys? Come on, I'm great in bed. And then it's like, oh it was sally sally is the one because amanda's like well how many people have you been sleeping with for the word to get out that you're great in bed but it's like no it was just sally who said oh it's only sal well she told lala because lala has a podcast oh what what'd you tell lala that i'm great in bed yes i'm great in bed was it the sober sex it was the sober sex i mean this like goes on for so long and i'm like i i literally hate when bravo is like so excited with titillation and it's not me being a prude, but it's just like none of this is like interesting or important for what happened on the show.

52:09Ben Mandelker: And like Bravo will always stop a reunion and dwell on like someone talked about sex as opposed to just like getting into like the petty shit that we'd like to talk about that he said, she said shit.

52:20Ronnie Karam: Well, it's also giving attention to thirsty ass Sally who clearly like just went to have sex with Kyle. So then she could go call TMZ about it and then go start a new podcast with Lala about their sex lives called Unlocking Sex. Some craziness. No one understands sex. Like Lala and Sally. So they're trying to do a Call Me Saddy type podcast. So now they're publicizing that on this show. And it's just so Sally to be like, Yahoo, TMZ, I found a mom. Like, of course. It's like, can I just fuck somebody and just not have it on? I mean, I do. But, you know, of course Sally immediately calls TMZ and records her podcast.

53:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I just feel like none of this is germane to the actual show. I don't think any of this is really on anyone's minds. Like, oh, how is sober sex for Kyle? I think it's like, I want to know. I want to get the bottom of some petty crap. I mean, I can't think of what's, what happened on the show that I'm like, really want to get to the bottom of. I mean, that's, I enjoyed in the city, but there's nothing where I'm like, I hope they asked this question, but I just feel like whenever there, there's something there's, there will always be a moment on any Bravo show where there'll be like a 20 second cutaway of someone saying like, oh yeah, you know, one time in college, um, I had sex and my professor walked in and everyone laughs and you move on.

53:49Ben Mandelker: and then it becomes like a 10-minute segment on the reunion. And it's just so out of proportion for like what that moment was for the entire show.

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