#3474 RHOC S20E03 Part 1: Amiga Standoff

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2:23Ben Mandelker: What happens when there's so much that crappens? What happens when there's so much that crappens? What happens when there's so much that crappens?

2:36Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens? I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good.

2:46Ben Mandelker: How's everything going with you today, buddy? I mean, it's going great. How could it not go great? It's the birthday of both J-Lo and Ruth Buzzy. Who knew that they shared a birthday, but they do. Yeah. I had no idea. Wow. There are other ones. I think Kristen Chenoweth's birthday is today as well. Obviously, I'm on this kick where I'm reading people's birthdays and seeing interesting connections. So there were actually a lot of celebrities today, but I just felt like the axis of J-Lo and Ruth Buzzy was a great one.

3:20Ronnie Karam: It's pretty good. I think they're sitting on a birthday bench somewhere and Ruth Buzzi just reaches over and smacks Jennifer in the head with a purse. A ghost laugh-in moment.

3:34Ben Mandelker: But anyway, I'm doing great. And by the speed of birthday, it's my brother's birthday is tomorrow. And we won't be recording tomorrow. So happy birthday to my brother, my big brother, Dan.

3:43Ronnie Karam: No, happy birthday to that guy. Yeah. Also, a quick one. I'm going to be doing a dinner cruise interviewing Hannah Ferrier and Daisy Kedda from Below Deck, both from Below Deck. That's going to be on August 23rd. It's going to be City Cruises in San Francisco. So come see that. You can find the link in bio at Daisy or Hannah's Instagram. You know, they're Daisy and Hannah from Below Deck. So surely you follow at least one, if not both. so go to their link in bios to get the ticket link for that i'm not being snotty about putting it in mine i just don't have a bio with like a lot of links in bio things and it's too long to to fit into my own maybe i should work on that i haven't i don't really even post anything on

4:33Ben Mandelker: might be worthwhile and or maybe so you can also shorten the url you can go to like tiny

4:39Ronnie Karam: url or whatever and then you have a cute little one so it looks nice on your profile yeah okay Okay, well, maybe I'll do that. By the end of this, you can probably go to my LinkedIn profile on Instagram, too. Also, if you want this on video, you can get that at patreon.com slash watch what crap happens. It's also where you get all of our bonus episodes, Discord server access, and our free weekly newsletter. It's like a recap of all the shows, like a fun little recap I write every week. And you can also get ad-free listening, which is a big one. So that's all Patreon stuff. Thanks to everybody who supports us over there.

5:16Ronnie Karam: Don't forget, Monday at 1.30 p.m. we do Amazon Live. And at 5.30 p.m. Pacific Time both, we do Crappy Hour, which is live on YouTube and Patreon. So check us out there. Okay? And by the way, that's another free Patreon thing. It doesn't cost anything. Okay, so today is Real Housewives of Orange County Season 20 Episode 3. Why can't we be friends?

5:48Ben Mandelker: Why not? Yeah, here we are, Orange County and Tamara's house, specifically Tamara's helping Sophia move. Because Sophia didn't want to move all the way up to the far reaches of Los Angeles an hour away. It was just too much, but now she's actually okay to move. I'm like, okay, so now you're moving anyway. I'm like, okay, great. So she's moving away and Tamara's helping her pack up and everything and like overseeing, like, do you want to take a comforter to everything? And Sophia's like, she's like, no, I just want to sleep in my bed sheets. What we don't realize at this moment is that they are packing up materials for what will make one of the strangest uh home decor choices i think i've ever seen on reality tv which is sophia's future apartment she really she really goes for a for an interesting look in there

6:47Ronnie Karam: yeah um she's an interesting kid i guess this this is an episode where uh we just concentrate on the housewives families i don't need this yeah listen if you don't have anything going on in your family, that's great. And good for you, because that probably means you've got a happy home life happening. Or in this case, not really. Not all of these. I don't need a whole season about whether or not Gina is going to change her name. Okay? I don't need it. I don't need it. Stop it. So, that was last season. Now she's just going to move locally to be next to her boyfriend. Oh my God, do you guys have to clean an air vent or a fire detector in the room because it's got cobwebs ff no stop wasting my time stop it i also like i just also like just why couldn't sophia

7:36Ben Mandelker: move up to la i'm sorry i'm sorry this is what's on my mind why was it so hard for her to move to la it's like there's a great music program for her up there like you're not moving across the country you're just down the highway like you're obviously oh i thought at first like okay she's not ready to leave home, but she is because she's moving out anyway. I'm like, what's going on, Sophia? What are these choices? Can we help? Can we sit you down to be guidance counselors? Because like, I don't understand.

8:06Ronnie Karam: Well, she stayed there and she's starting a podcast with Tamara, I think. Last I heard, I think they're doing like a mother-daughter podcast. Episode one. Oh my God, what's it like when you have a cobweb on your fire detector? You know when you have a cobweb on your fire detector, goddammit?

8:22Ben Mandelker: If I were Tamara, I would have been like, Sophia, there's this great music program. We're going to get a discount because we just put it on TV, most likely. Get your ass up to LA. It's not very far. Heather Dubrow lives there. Our cast, it's still within the radius of our cast. You'll be okay. Heather Dubrow will look over you.

8:42Ronnie Karam: Heather Dubrow is not going to be looking after that kid. No. She'll walk into Heather Dubrow's house and Heather will just hand her a duster. and be like, do not look in the direction of Drake's house. He does not like to have his house look directly in the eyes.

9:00Ben Mandelker: She'll just have Nikki like check in. Nikki, bring her a bowl from Nobu, but only fill it with oatmeal.

9:07Ronnie Karam: Mom, why does Heather Dubrow keep calling me Alfredo? I don't understand it. She told me to go clean her pool, but they live in a penthouse. They don't have a pool.

9:18Ben Mandelker: It's like wax on wax off. It's like Karate Kid. it's like why do I have to learn these lessons about washing a car and then it turns out it like helps Sophia immensely with her music they're like Sophia this work that you're doing scrubbing the floor it's making an amazing sound a unique sound unlike any before you've changed music thank you Heather thank you well now that she's the last kid out of the house me and Eddie really

9:43Ronnie Karam: need to nurture our relationship and just start having oranges in the neighborhood and shit we're gonna have that quid stock sex see what I mean? Oranges, yeah

9:53Ben Mandelker: it is wild when she says she's been raising kids for 40 years like that is actually so much that's a lot oh my god no wonder why Tamara's off the walls all the time she's been raising children for 40 years

10:10Ronnie Karam: oh man yeah, that's a lot I mean I would be kicking kids out of my house for 40 years. I would probably say that, like, if that was me. Like, I've been getting rid of these little fuckers for 40 years. Did you notice in the part where they were showing, like, oh, shots of Orange County. It's an umbrella with a star on it. And it's a dog walking. It's a lady in a bikini jumping for a volleyball. They have a statue. It's like their welcome to Orange County statue, you know. and probably in the future they'll all be president trump let's face it but for right now it is a shirtless guy surfing do you think that's a beach boy or something

10:54Ben Mandelker: it's probably like john wayne there's a john wayne airport that's why i say that i don't know

10:59Ronnie Karam: maybe it's like ronald reagan it's just california it's like welcome to our city here's our here's our big important statue a guy with a six-pack and a shirt off you know it's like can i just can i just have lunch without you guys trying to make me feel fucking insecure like i need an old crusty dead guy up there you know with some some waddled some huge jowls and no hair you know or thinning hair i mean give me an american statue like a real one not some hot guy in a six-pack

11:31Ben Mandelker: with a six-pack maybe the statue is just a statue of young dr tim who seems to be at this point something of an Orange County legend along with Dr. Moon, because that's where we go to now on this rainy day. Emily goes to the chiropractor, aka Dr. Tim, who's one, you know, we love a guy who's like, I kind of want to look like Don Henley, but I kind of want to break some people's backs and I kind of want to shame Shannon Bedore at the same time. So, here I am, Dr. Tim. So, we're back with him.

12:04Ronnie Karam: This guy is a fish follower. P.H. Definitely. You know, from back in the day, he's got like a wild side of night. Why would anybody go back to Dr. Tim after that scene where he was with Shannon and she was really upset about weight? And she's like, yeah, I'm depressed about you. You remember the scene, right? And he's like, whoa, whoa. She lifts up her shirt or what? He's like, lift up your shirt or something. And she lifted up. He's like, oh, Jesus. Good. God, woman. Why would anybody go back to Dr. Tim ever? Why?

12:40Ben Mandelker: Well, yeah, yeah, he is. I was triggered. Well, it's also a rainy day. I think I complained about this maybe last week or so. But Orange County, their filming schedule seems to be like January through like March or April. And so as a result, I've sort of noticed over the past few years, this has been on my mind. And I've noticed that it's always kind of like cold in Orange County in these episodes. It's always like, you know that like, how do you describe it? It's like a colder morning and you're in like a coffee shop and the air just hangs in a certain sort of way. It's sunny, but even though it's sunny, it's cold.

13:31Ben Mandelker: and the air almost feels very still and you're like, you're cold, but the heat is on. So it's like, but it's not like a natural, comfortable heat. And you're just like, you're in that place and you're like, ah, can't wait for warmer weather. Do you know what I'm saying? I really don't know if I'm articulating. I'm not even trying to be funny. I'm actually like really trying to explore my emotions and words on this topic. But there's like a certain kind of indoor experience you get when it's colder outside. that's just sometimes like the worst.

14:04Ronnie Karam: Do you know what I'm saying? Well, California is really not built for heating either. So there's not great heating. I mean, it heats you, but it doesn't feel right on your skin because it's so temporary. They're like, ah, don't make it comfortable heating. I don't know what comfortable heating would be really, but I do kind of know what you mean.

14:21Ben Mandelker: It's like California doesn't like heat. It's like, you know what it is? It's also like that. Like you're getting into the office, it's 10 a.m. There's like a smell of coffee in the air, but not like coffee shop smell. It's just like Diane brought in coffee and sort of you can smell her coffee. And it's like people are tired. Yeah, it's like people are tired. The air is like the temperature is like technically comfortable, but it's like not comfortable enough that you don't notice it. And you're sort of like you're wearing some layers because it's cold outside. Now you're a little warm on the inside.

14:55Ben Mandelker: I feel like that's what Orange County looks like every season. and I feel like Orange County is so it's actually so beautiful it's so sunny and like it's lovely that they should really film this show I believe starting in like May and it should be a summertime shoot and they air it in the winter that's my statement

15:14Ronnie Karam: I actually like that they do it at this time not just to argue with you but I do kind of like this time because vicious argument now that you think I know but now it's just like always got to argue you know But I do kind of like it only because we get to see people wear jackets and coats. And I really think it helps the outfits, as we see later when Jen is going through her closet. I mean, just cover some of this stuff up. Because whatever boutiques, and we've seen many of the boutiques in this town, whatever these people are selling is just hideous. I mean, the fact that Jen has a whole closet of this crap.

15:51Ronnie Karam: I mean, we see how they all dress. This show's not really known for its fashion. as we'll get to Gina in a minute as well. But I think anything to cover up these people.

16:01Ben Mandelker: As we get to Gina in the next minute. Sorry, just kidding. Sorry. Bless her heart. I was faking a joke. Sorry.

16:07Ronnie Karam: Are you talking about Gina Kershynhainer or Gina Travis's Gina? Gina Travis face.

16:14Ben Mandelker: Whatever his last name. You're totally right. The fashions. This is not a show for fashions. And like the more we could just cover up the fashions with a coat, probably the better. So I think you do have a fair point there. Since the last Orange County recap, I actually went down to Orange County. I mentioned another recap, but I went, Dom and I had like a little overnight in Laguna just for the fun of it. And it really is gorgeous down there, but it's so Orange County. Like it's just everywhere you go into, you feel like you're about to shoot a scene. You feel like Gina's about to sit down at a table and confront you about your rent.

16:48Ben Mandelker: You know, it's like, it's crazy. It's all over. And the fashion is wild. And also in Laguna Beach, I don't know this is probably just like a surf town thing in general but you know it is a it's it's right there on the ocean obviously and obviously the big surfing thing and people just walk barefoot throughout the entire town they're like crossing the street barefoot and like for the amount of shame we gave Britney Spears for walking barefoot people should go see what's happening in Laguna Beach and I'm sure it's other coastal towns but Laguna Beach is my only reference right now and it was just like a whole bunch of like dirty sold people walking around.

17:26Ben Mandelker: I was like, I was like, why don't you have like flip flops on to cross? Like you're not on the beach anymore. You're just walking on the sidewalk. What about broken glass? Like what's that? Shannon's spilled dog ice cream cone is there. You're stepping in that.

17:41Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's true. Her dog cone. Yeah, get it together over there. Dirty feet motherfuckers. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial.

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19:40Ronnie Karam: so um emily and uh what's her puns shannon are with dr tim who's learned his lesson after getting excoriated on the internet over the years and he's like whoa you look absolutely spectacular killer wow nobody's shaming here what is new and exciting with you guys and emily's like well i've lost 40 pounds and uh i go to the gym every day i was there this morning so you know last year luke stressed me out so i gained a lot of weight fucking luke so fucking luke and his goddamn his goddamn

20:13Ben Mandelker: health problems but now i'm better now you know and now it could be better and it's like i mean the thing is we've seen this storyline with Emily at least two or three other times. I'm always happy for her when she's feeling great and she's shed pounds and feels better about herself and everything. But I also am now starting to worry that I'm a complicit part of this yo-yoing that she's going through in a weird way. It's almost like it's all being used for content for us and I can't describe it but I'm kind of like I don't know it's like another season where Emily is like proclaiming she has a new body and she finally feels good about herself and I'm kind of want to be like like I think I think you need to go to therapy I don't know that sounds so cruel but I'm like you like there's she seems unhappy she seems unhappy all the time and she's always of starting a season like and i'm like and look now i'm finally happy and it's like i don't know i don't know if you are i i can't describe it i feel like i'm body shaming i'm really not meaning it i'm just not articulating my words right i think i it doesn't sound like body shaming i

21:31Ronnie Karam: think what you're saying is right emily's story since she's come on here has been body issues and it's a it's a normal thing for people to go through obviously hello me what do i talk about with you i mean on this show as well but also with you privately and to anybody who's my friend body you know body issues it's been my thing since i was a kid it's up and down and it's always worrying about it and it's you know blah blah blah and you think maybe you're this way and you'll be happy and then you get to that way and you still feel the same mentally it's like yes you kind of eventually learn the that that stuff isn't what makes you happy even if it might make you not that it's a complete waste of time to work on yourself or anything but you know emily is just not happy and she makes so much effort and put so much effort into the body and the and all that and i think she looks great and i think she looked great before she even started all this i mean emily was one of our first you know one of the rare i guess i should say like body you know body positive people who came out when she first started and was like you know i'm this is body positivity and i like being my weight and i'm gonna go do a strip show for my in-laws in vegas and like that's been her thing since she started you know her size her size eight jeans that heather made her wear in that fashion show and she got all upset about it i mean this has been her storyline from the beginning and i think it's it's how i am with myself i'm sick of fucking hearing it you know what i mean well you know what it is it's like um

23:10Ben Mandelker: it's more like i i feel like when she sheds weight and she's like has a season where she's really working out and by the way i just want to also preface before i get into this point struggling with weight going up and down and like feeling like you're more yourself when you've lost some way feeling maybe down on yourself if you're not happy with how your body is that's such a real thing i think like a majority of us go through that i don't i'm not like oh shut up or whatever you know but you know what it is it's it's almost like every time she does lose the weight there's like this celebratory vibe with her storyline and it's like oh my god finally i could be a normal person again and like i feel like we're sort of complicit it's like now it's like yay good for emily and then it's like and then another season where she's maybe gained it back it's like oh poor emily and i kind of feel like it it's like we're like we're sort of part of like some sort

24:06Ronnie Karam: of like bad feedback loop for her and i don't diet culture but i don't really get i don't really i think she looks great but i don't i thought she looked great before like it's for me yeah For me, it's not that, but also I'm someone who's, I lost 200 pounds. Like I was 200 pounds bigger. And before that I was 200 pounds lighter. And before that I was 200 pounds bigger. And I'm not even exaggerating, like literally a huge change many times in my life. And it's really funny how people treat you because when I gain 150, 200 pounds, they're like, are you working out? Hey there, big guy, you've been working out?

24:47Ronnie Karam: Clearly, everybody knows I've not been working out when I've gained 200 pounds. And when I lose weight, people act like I've just been cured from the worst disease in the world. And they're like, oh, my God. Thank God, Ronnie. Oh, you know, they'll be so dramatic. And it's just like, geez, what was I? What were you thinking before that you're acting this crazy now? Like, it's a mind fuck. I think people commenting on your weight all the time, you know, and I think she probably deals with that but also your inner voice, you know, you're your own worst enemy and Nothing anybody can ever say to me would be meaner than I have been to myself And I'm sure that's true with a lot of people who struggle with it And it the way it comes out of Emily is really obnoxious with her Thank God.

25:39Ronnie Karam: I'm not fat like here's the 50 not being fat. It's like everybody's at different levels you know maybe people haven't lost anyway and don't want to and maybe people are struggling but it's like the second you lose it and you just villainize villainize it even though you're doing it from your own place it's pretty offensive to people watching it you know and it's really hard to just not want to scream shut up at emily honestly at this point it's like just stop because you're not only being mean to yourself you're being mean to everybody else and i'm sick of fucking hearing about it you know i'm just hearing about it with me too and we just spent half an hour talking about it here but i don't know it's very paradoxical

26:20Ben Mandelker: because i'm actually like we all i think a lot of us know like you know oh my god i had this goal of trimming down and yada yada and i've hated i feel really good about myself you know so i don't want to be like oh shut up like you should like if that's something that you want not saying that's something that people need but if that's something that you've set out for yourself and you've achieved it you know like great like that really is awesome but um i also know that i also think that i i feel like this show is constantly like it's like celebrating that all the time and then it's like very morose when it's not that and it's like i don't know i guess like maybe the first time it happens like this is cool but now i feel like it's like maybe the second or third time where I'm like, I feel kind of like I'm party to like, to something that's a little unhealthy for Emily.

27:10Ben Mandelker: And I also feel like, yeah, she just, there's sadness that's there. She has like this stuff with her mom that is continuing to plague her, which by the way, she talks about it later in the episode. And we, and we, we highlighted it during Wife Swap. We're like, um, Emily, you realize you're repeating the cycle of your mother on Wife Swap here. But anyway,

27:30Ronnie Karam: that's related in the episode but it's also you know it's being complicit on the be by being a viewer i mean that's i guess a big conversation about all housewives and stuff i won't start blabbing my face off about but i think this is just culture it's just how it is everywhere you go people are commenting on calories and diet and this and that and it's just part of it's just part of culture everybody's kind of complicit in yeah i mean there's so many other things that or worthy or unworthy based on your looks and your weight and your age and all this other shit that goes into it but i think they're just i mean there's so many other things that we're complicit to

28:04Ben Mandelker: while watching these shows anyway so i'm not suddenly like saying like well this is terrible that we're complicit it's just one of those things like like hey this is pinging on my radar like i feel like the show is trying to land this tonal note but it's actually hitting me in this tonal way instead i don't know if they were intending that it's just my observation emily i don't think

28:26Ronnie Karam: it's this show i think it's emily specifically that's her personality and that's her own demons that she's working through and it's just really hard to not get pissed off when you're someone who deals with that watching it like well like pinching my own fat like oh you know well geez yeah what what are you saying about me you know so i think it comes off as to me just emily is just kind of offensive and she always kind of has been in that in that way so um but you know here she is uh talking to dr tim and uh so shannon's uh talking about how she's been seeing dr tim forever and she's doing her wacky like oh don't paralyze me by stretching my wow i fell out i fell up a t it's like you were lying down well okay well that's true that was a very slow intentional But it was still wacky.

29:21Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, Dr. Tim is like stretching and doing adjustments on them while asking them questions. And he's like, so food-wise, what are you eating? Chicken meatballs! Wow, with just a little bit of pancreas. Oh, God. Oh, it hurts. That's funny. Wacky Shannon. Oh, wacky Shannon.

29:41Ronnie Karam: So this is new for Emily, doing this wacky kind of stretching. and he's like okay guys just lay on the mat no pain for me this time any questions give me a holla okay um so they you know this is all just an excuse for them to talk shit so emily asked shannon why she was so quiet at her birthday um and shannon's like well i was biting my tongue when you were having a discussion with tamra i thought that conversation was outrageous that That was outrageous. Here's what, here's, I give that conversation four out of five.

30:19Ben Mandelker: I mean, what she was talking to you about the Heart and Eyes show that you were saying. You mean I Heart? Yes. Is that what it's called? You don't even know what you're, you just wanted to get mad at Tamara. I did. I did. I had no idea what the fight was about. So Emily's like, I just felt like we got to some kind of resolution. but then she said now i can tell iheart that you're allowed to go to events now and we see a flashback that apparently at the golden girls party afterwards tamra was like well guess what we do a ton of fun things with iheart and now you can be there because like before i wouldn't allow it and emily's like what do i have to be mad at you again and she's like no i'm joking i'm totally joking that was totally a joke it was not a joke it was 100 not a joke well the intent of saying

31:06Ronnie Karam: that was to remind me that she's up here and I'm down here. Well, I'm not going to put myself through that anymore. I don't put myself through traumatic things. Oh, God, here comes the guy who calls me fat again. Oh, God, he's grabbing my ankle and putting behind my ear.

31:23Ben Mandelker: You know, back when we used to have a motorized chandelier in my house, I would often compare myself to it and realize that it was often up there and I was down here. And my lesson in life is never compare yourself to a chandelier. Oh, God. Oh, chicken meatballs.

31:37Ronnie Karam: I would get the remote, and I would press the down button, and I would hear, and I'd stand there for about 10 minutes. And when it got to eye level, I would say, Chandelier, how dare you? And then I would move it back up and go about my day.

31:55Ben Mandelker: I would call it Shannon Delir. And then David would say, Shannon Delirious. And I said, you just ruined my little joke for the chandelier. And he said, I don't care. Shannon beer.

32:07Ronnie Karam: Oh, what about the chandelier? No.

32:10Ben Mandelker: Shannon beer. David, why did you say I had to be switched out? I said the chandelier had to be switched out.

32:20Ronnie Karam: You said Shannon DeLere. I'm pretty sure. He promised me for years it was just the chandelier he switched out. And then he found that slut on the beach and switched me out. I should have known. I should have known.

32:32Ben Mandelker: I can't listen to see ya to this day Um That's a double pun because she has a song About chandeliers and also Dave walked With a slut next to the sea Uh I don't know what I told see ya See ya later David And by see ya later David do you see me Um By the way I think Emily Saying like it's a reminder that she's up here And I'm down here like no offense But she is up there and you are down there like she is like podcast wise she is it is her like network she is up there you're not gonna loss of it and she's like this he's like the ranking member the same things yeah like and she's also like the ranking member of this show she's the she's like she's in the iconic housewives class now she shouldn't rub it in your face but she is up there and you are down there sorry

33:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but that's crazy telling iHeart, you better not invite Emily. I'm not going to come to it. You better not do it. Like having that much control where iHeart's like, oh, okay, we won't. I feel like iHeart would just invite all the podcasters. So I don't know that I believe this.

33:42Ben Mandelker: I think she says it to iHeart. I don't think iHeart pays it any mind. iHeart will, there's no way iHeart does not invite Emily Simpson to something that, just because Tamara says so. But there is definitely a way that Tamara makes Emily think that she's been excluded all this time yeah so emily falls for it like she or she take i

34:02Ronnie Karam: shouldn't say fall for it she takes it and she's going to make a another season-long fight about it because it's emily and yeah that's how she rolls but she's got a couple tricks up her sleeve this episode which we'll get to later so now we go to sophia moving into her apartment and wow Wow. How is it already a thrift store?

34:24Ben Mandelker: It looks crazy. It's like got a green tufted couch. And then also this like Virgin Mary kind of painting. And everything is kind of like old world, but nothing matches. I don't judge it too hard because she's 22 or something like that. And, you know, when you're 22 and 23, your furniture choices don't make any sense. But, like, it's just a wild collection of hand-me-downs, basically.

34:51Ronnie Karam: It's nice for me to see on a show, especially, you know, these shows with rich kids everywhere. You see, like, Next Gen NYC living in$20 million apartments or whatever. They're like, well, this apartment's small. Hold on. Let me go to my closet that I made out of a second bedroom in New York City. You know, they're like, oh. So it's nice to see a young person who kind of had to do it like most of us did. And also not be just a basic ass model. Yeah. A base model. You know, it's just like every. Yeah. And like having her own kind of groovy style. And I mean, maybe it's a little heavy handed or like, wow, I'm unique.

35:31Ronnie Karam: You know, I write songs about dead people with girlfriends or whatever her thing was last time. So, you know, maybe it's a little over the top. But I mean, I think it's nice having kind of an original kid because then we get to the other kids in this episode. And they, yeah, mom, maybe I'm going to take money from a guy in a store randomly. Oh, God, yes. Yes. I prefer Sophia, you know. But you're right. It's like eclectic no taste. It's like all kinds of no taste put together. It's dollar trees from every city in the state.

36:06Ben Mandelker: Every dollar tree in the forest, in the dollar forest. And I remember my first studio apartment here in Hollywood. It was on Argyle Avenue. And I didn't know what I was doing. I had a futon. There was no counter space. So I went to out of the closet and I got this little thing that became my counter. And then I got, I bought a dining table. It was like big circular dining table and I just bought it. I didn't measure because I just, I didn't think to measure. I just like, that looks like a nice table. I'm going to get it. So most of my living room was taken up by a ginormous circular table and it was, it was the craziest little studio apartment.

36:45Ben Mandelker: but that's what you do when you're 23 you just i was adorable i have to say i'm sure yours was

36:51Ronnie Karam: great oh my gosh it was so tiny and i had my little bed there but i had a curtain that i you know those um see-through curtains from ikea you can get for really cheap but i dyed it purple and then tied it with like a gold rope i found on the trash how fun and then i mean it had like really soft lighting and lamps that i got from thrift stores i mean it was so so cute you know You can do it cute on a budge. Maybe hers will be cute. I don't know. She's just moving in there. Who knows? But she's Tamara's daughter.

37:25Ben Mandelker: That's it. It didn't seem problematic. That was the end of the sentence. No, I was just reflecting on the green tufted couch.

37:32Ronnie Karam: Okay, well. They have a green tufted couch in Texas that is on the camera every day. Now I'm paranoid about what you think about my green tufted couch. No, no. No, no. Your tufted couch looks great. This is just,

37:49Ben Mandelker: just go back and look at the footage and compare the footage to your living room and you will sleep easily tonight. It's not a shaming. It's a, isn't that funny? Because we were all 22 once and some of us did not have a design aesthetic like Ronnie at 22. And some of us still don't have it, by the way, I'd like to point out.

38:06Ronnie Karam: I don't know if I had a design aesthetic as much as an HGTV addiction. And I was like, I will make something out of nothing every day of my life. I made a curtain out of corks. Were we friends when I did that? You know, like beaded curtains. I needed something between my kitchen and my room. And so I made it, I made a curtain, like a beaded curtain out of corks because I worked at a restaurant. So we would save all the corks. I would save all the corks every night. And then I got a screw gun and I screwed them all together. It was so cool looking and such a good idea. And when I tell you I caught shit on that and pulled corks down on my head constantly, because corks are not made for that.

38:46Ben Mandelker: Let me tell you something. A curtain of corks sounds like a musical number in a musical fun home. It's like, it's my curtain of corks. It's about like, my dad was an alcoholic. Mother wasn't around. Dad liked the bottle, but I would hide away by the curtain of corks. It's the curtain of corks.

39:12Ronnie Karam: The curtain of corks. Squeak, squeak, squeak. Curtain of corks. So they are talking about this lady in a picture that she got from some thrift store or something. And she's like, it's a vintage photo, Mom. She's like, who's that? It's Helen. her dad was a jewelry maker how do you know that she told me mom she told me i talked to spirit

39:40Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah that's right her dad was a jewelry maker and her sister's name was tiffany think about it mom so then uh tamra's like sophia's like really upset on behalf of the ghost uh sister of tiffany's so so uh but anyway tamra starts talking about vicky and how vicky wants have the trace amigas back and um sofia's like okay well um how's that gonna happen and tamra's like well it's all i'm just like moving forward she's like okay so why don't you be neutral mom and uh now we cut back to the chiropractor and um shannon's phone rings and it's vicky calling up and she's like oh my god you guys break it out i'm freezing it's freezing it's that sort of temperature where it's like it's hot and cold at the same time on the inside i know probably some gay guys on the internet will talk about it someday.

40:30Ben Mandelker: But the rain is horrible. So, Shannon, do you guys want to have lunch?

40:33Ronnie Karam: Oh, no, just me and you? Oh, that sounds lovely, Vicky. No, me and Emma. We're going to have a chit-chat. You have to come. No, I'm not taking no for an answer. Okay? You are coming. I'm saying no to your no. Okay? No, no. That means yes. Are you going to come? Just say yes. Jesus Christ.

40:52Ben Mandelker: It's not what Nancy Reagan said. Please, Shannon, do it. You better be talking to us. Nancy Reagan died sober and miserable.

41:04Ben Mandelker: Every gay person hated her. Okay. Okay. Well, I don't know who was talking there, but you better be there. Be square. I am working very hard to not be square, actually. But okay, whatever. I'll see you there at The Quiet Woman. Okay.

41:22Ronnie Karam: Well, you don't have to just go backwards, Shannon, because she's like, I will not go back. I will not go back. Well, you don't have to. You can just sit across from her, articulate the way you feel and say, I have boundaries, but at least I'm not fat.

41:37Ben Mandelker: Oh, well, I thought we were okay after Amsterdam. And then at the reunion, she's like, sure. You said shut up in a very slow manner to me. Are we even friends? And now we go back to Sophia's apartment and Tamara's like, I mean, I just can't even imagine harboring bad feelings for two years. two years having bad feelings. I'm like, I'm sure we could probably find a two-year span on this show where you were resentful. Oh, wait a second. Who was that person who was on the show last season? Oh, Gretchen Rossi. Gretchen Rossi. Yeah, anyway, I can't imagine harboring feelings for as long as two years.

42:16Ben Mandelker: Yeah, that's crazy.

42:18Ronnie Karam: Tamara cracks me up, because this is Tamara's cycle, where she's just awful to someone. I mean, awful. And she was horrible the whole year to Shannon last year. Like, oh, really? What, Shannon having a drink, even if she got a DUI? Hey, alcoholic, how'd you come? Hey, we have a reservation for five. Shannon made it, so it would be under alcoholic. I'll tell you, Miss Alcoholic for five. And then she's like, hey, what's the big deal? Why are you so mad at me? Can't say anything anymore.

42:52Ben Mandelker: i have to say this is i have been really leaning into my awful women of bravo lately and um i think i'm like officially a tamra fan isn't that crazy oh god you know why because i watch these shows like i watch some of the shitty shows that come through like i'm not trying to be like funny like whatever but like mcb dynasty for you know where there's like nothing happening on that show and it just makes me appreciate the hard work of our villainesses so i i am so amused by all the bullshit that tamra spews at all times it's so self-serving please never stop i mean it's just

43:32Ronnie Karam: so funny it's so funny yeah well we did get when tamra was off the show when she finally got fired and everybody rejoiced we got a taste of what it would be like without tamra and it was not great I mean, we had a great time recapping it for sure, but the show suffered bigly, hugely. And so now to have her back, it's like, you know, she's wrong most of the time. She's horrible, but I don't have to hang out with her and she makes good TV. She's a seasoned pro. She's a seasoned pro.

44:05Ben Mandelker: And I mean, I would argue that the Noella season was fantastic of Orange County. A lot of people were, I think, a little cool on that one. I thought it was excellent. I think Noella, I would have preferred Noella to come back then. So far, like Carmella is not, not totally jumping off the page for me, but I'll give her some time.

44:23Ronnie Karam: But Carmella hasn't jumped off any page. I mean, she looks like a drawing and her face doesn't move at all. And it's confusing. Every time they show Carmella, I think it's a Sheena scene because she's got like the really long black, you know, tapins or whatever she's got. And then she's pretty, I guess. she just does nothing moves on her so yeah it's not like that it's just it's not like it's nothing like that it's just i keep thinking it's sheena and then i hear talking but i don't i literally can't tell who's talking sometimes i'm who was that and was it one of the daughters and then i rewind it and it was carmella the whole time yeah she's like stained glass like pretty, but what is it?

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46:52Ben Mandelker: So Tamara is talking about how she can't imagine harboring bad feelings for two years She would never harbor bad feelings for such a long amount of time And she said, I tried to move on with Shannon but I just feel like she just wants me to be the villain of her story So Shannon's like, does Tamara have Amnesia that a couple of weeks ago she said some very horrible and hurtful things about me. I'm like unless they show us some clips from this they need to start showing some clips. I know it's going to be on the girls trip but they need to start showing some clips of this. This is going to be such a pivotal thing in their friendship.

47:32Ronnie Karam: I mean we all get it because we've seen it a million times, right? I mean all you have to do is look at last season. All they have to do is show clips from last season of tamra screaming at shannon calling her dumb drunk and a pathetic drunk who's never going to get a man and all the other shit she said to her last year but listening to tamra be like oh my guys everybody just wants me to be a man in all the time i just don't get it i mean these puppies these puppies with spots all they just complain about me i mean jesus christ puppies sorry i tried to make a call out of you once or twice like cruella de vil doesn't cry okay yeah she just she kills the puppies she makes coats out of them and that's it i don't want a rewrite of cruella

48:13Ben Mandelker: yeah yeah i get it so basically sophia's like mom just like be like chill and just say let's move on you know so now we go to jen and ryan are shopping um and they're looking for some uh valentine's day decorations and plants uh he's obviously biting his tongue uh because he clearly wants to go to the painted denim store, but he's biding his time at this tchotchke shop. And he's there, like, making some patter about, like, you know, what the kids are up to and everything. And Jen is like, by the way, yeah, your daughter, she's doing so great. I'm so happy for her. And it's just, it's so funny because I feel like managing the emotions of the kids just feels like a lot sometimes.

48:55Ben Mandelker: Like, I've got to talk to Grayson because I feel like this ticket, he's really beating himself up. Like, a lot. I mean, he drove, like, 120 miles per hour down the street, so So, yeah, like, I would be, I would maybe have some regrets.

49:10Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he should be locked in his room with no internet access right now. You should be beating him up mentally, not physically, obviously.

49:16Ben Mandelker: I feel bad for the kid. We see later on. He's definitely, like, carrying a lot with him. But also, like, let's not roll out the pity party on the speeding ticket just yet. Everything else, sure, but not the speeding ticket.

49:31Ronnie Karam: I'm around like, whoa, it's bigger than that. Okay? You know, I see a change in Grayson, and this is it. He doesn't have a relationship with his dad. That's it. Period. And it's like, what? What do you mean? Oh, my God. It's Ryan again. Are you saying this is all about Ryan? Every time. I mean, not Ryan. Will. Are you saying this is all about Will again? Oh, my God. I can't believe it. I didn't even think of that. That's so crazy. Still? Still? This is still going on? She's still out to lunch as far as anything to do with her kids. And she seems like a good mom. Like, she's always there. We always see scenes with her kids where they're crying and hugging her.

50:03Ronnie Karam: Uninfectionate. Yeah. But she seems kind of out to lunch on what's actually going on. Because every time Ryan drops a truth bomb, she's like, what? I think my son's upset that he never sees his dad. That's still happening. I mean, we've been in this relationship forever. What has it been, two years? Wow, thank you so much, Ryan. Thank you so much for telling me that. That breaks my heart.

50:27Ben Mandelker: It's like a teenage boy with parents who are going through a tricky divorce. It's like, wow, wow, I never thought about that before. I'm like, Jen. And the way that she also writes off what Ryan says, like, oh, when it comes to Ryan, everything's always about, well, oh, the kids don't have a dad. Oh, the kids are going through divorce. I'm like, Jen, I think he's on to something here. I don't think he's on to something.

50:55Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, and she's saying, yeah, I don't think it's, I mean, of course, he'd love to see his dad more, but I just don't think that's it. I really just don't think that's it. And Ryan says, you know, I mean, look, I would do anything to have a relationship with my children. I mean, to not even say goodnight to them and tuck them in. I mean, not wake them up in the morning. That's crazy. Here's the thing. We haven't really seen Will on this show. All we know is the history that they've told us, that Jen and Ryan have told us. Jen cheated on Will. She was miserable in her relationship, was not getting any emotional whatever from Will.

51:33Ronnie Karam: She cheated with Ryan, left Will for Ryan. Will worked for her family company and then let go. So his got let go because there was this divorce, right? If I'm following, if I'm remembering this correctly. So then he had no way to make the money to. So now he's living in some tiny apartment and they've got a million children. And meanwhile, she's living with this guy who God knows where his money comes. his shady ass money comes from because his wasn't his business partner whoever just arrested last year so he's shady as fuck and he's got all this money and they're on instagram spending all this money on vacations and doing all of this stuff and then meanwhile the dad's living in this like tiny one bedroom and can't afford to live in a place with all the kids this is a cluster fuck and i'm not even assigning blame here i'm just saying cluster fuck and to be like i just don't know why the kids are so upset and then for him to be like oh yeah will doesn't even want to spend time with his kids and say good night yeah i mean obviously it's like it's like it sounds like will

52:37Ben Mandelker: has been like a real problem and then i think at the beginning of the season she even alluded to the fact that their youngest son their adopted son was having some trouble in school and she's sort of like she's sort of like glossed over a little bit she's like oh and you know i forget i forget the kid's name dabney or whatever and he's just like oh dabney you know he's had some challenges and i don't know i don't know where that as dabney coleman jumped into my brain i have no idea why that was you know he's been trying to be the boss at this company and just

53:07Ronnie Karam: all the women are so upset with him all the time like you can't even slap someone on the ass and call them toots anymore it is crazy out there for little dabney

53:21Ben Mandelker: so like obviously like the kids are going through shit you know and like these things really do have repercussions and so that's why i was kind of like i was like hello jen like it's not as it's not as like open and shut as this like it's it's a complicated thing And I agree with you. She seems like she is very loving and attentive, but I think she just doesn't get certain things. Shocker, newsflash, Jen Petrante doesn't get certain things. Wow, shocker.

53:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she seems a little, you know the term toxic positivity. I think that's kind of Jen. Or it's like, everything's okay, everything's okay. The house is on fire, we're all going to die. It's not okay. I guess a fire joke. That probably a good, a fire reference wasn't a good thing to make. Oh, yeah. You know, it's like things are literally falling apart. You know, that's when positivity kind of becomes toxic, you know? Yeah. So she's like, I don't get it because I have 100 % custody of the kids. Why are we talking about Will? He's like, you're taking it personal, honey. I'm talking about a father.

54:30Ronnie Karam: It's like, but I am taking it personal because I'm trying to compensate for everything, you know? I mean, okay, their lives have changed, one. Two, everything that we've lost. Do you think I don't feel the fucking burden? I'm so tired. I'm just so tired all the time. I mean, on the flip side, to be honest with you, I have to maintain shit with you because then it's too much for you and you don't like talking about my pain. So what am I supposed to do? Oh my God. Let's just buy a dress with feathers. Can we just concentrate on buying a dress with feathers? Hot pink if it's available. If it's available.

55:01Ben Mandelker: Get our 10 CCs of hot pink feather dress stat. Yeah, and I don't discredit anything that Jen is saying here. It is not tough. And none of this is easy. And none of this has a simple roadmap. But it is just darkly amusing to me that Ryan is making some very basic observations. And she's like, what? That's crazy. But he's like, okay, I'm going to call a spade a spade. I feel like this is having an impact on the kids. Okay. Dad, I can hear. broadest possible thing here um yeah so she's like i just want to know that will's not always

55:40Ronnie Karam: going to be in the middle of our relationship in our marriage he's like yeah i can't promise you that because now we have five kids or whatever so will is part of that like what do you want me to tell you it's like okay i hear that feathers uh now we go over to heather's house um heather is binging out, which is so nice to see because we never really see Heather eat. And she puts three full pickles on her plate. Wacky. So, how da girl.

56:09Ben Mandelker: See, I don't just eat caviar and no boot to go. I will also eat something of the people, a pickle. Isn't this hilarious? It's like I went to a carnival and got myself a pickle. Like any four would, because I'm relatable.

56:25Ronnie Karam: so um so i hope someone uh i hope someone with less money calls to complain about something insignificant oh look it's emily hello emily i'm eating a huge meal of pickles what do you think

56:38Ben Mandelker: of that it's the common folk food hashtag recession indicator ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

56:46Ronnie Karam: let me tell you do you have any idea what's happened to the price of pickles me neither

56:57Ben Mandelker: so emily is like whoa well that party was crazy when i first walked in i couldn't find you guys because you're dressed like old people but anyway yeah it was great but i'm just what did you think about it heather well i thought it was great but i think i'm just bummed by jen oh i'm sorry i said jen smelled like a bum that's what i usually think people smell like below the

57:17Ronnie Karam: Jen's a bum. Sorry. Some of these pickles are making me loopy over here.

57:24Ben Mandelker: Sorry, now that once you eat a pickle, you're just reminded of what people walking on the street smell like sometimes.

57:30Ronnie Karam: You know, on one hand, thank you for apologizing. On the other hand,

57:41Ronnie Karam: are you just apologizing because you just want things to be peaceful, but there's no there there? Am I right?

57:48Ben Mandelker: there, there, that doesn't make any sense. What are you talking about? You're crazy. Whoa. And she's like, look, I've been having such a great time with Jen, but now I really feel fucked over by her. Excuse my pickle language. We have a very different opinion of what friendship is. It's making me want to take a step back and then a step forward and then to the right and to the left and to the right. Sorry, that was choreo from my Syracuse days of doing anything goes.

58:16Ronnie Karam: oh wait i didn't tell you okay so we left the birthday party and there's this uh dior shopping bag and shane's like whoa who got you that and i said carmella and so we opened it to see what it was it was a gold dior clutch and it was beautiful but i remember at the party she kept telling me are you going to open your gifts and then i thought well what is she just trying to get me to open it so she could brag to the people that she could afford a dior gift i mean what the hell kind of person does that oh my god you ungrateful this is so much ungrateful prick just say thank you for the purse to call and talk somebody after they gave you a how much is that purse how much is a gold to your purse let's look it up okay go ahead at least five thousand dollars at least

59:02Ben Mandelker: if not more but this is such a thing this is so so three grand two grand five grand yeah but it's like shitty like it's to call and gossip about this gift like she wanted to have a moment or something this is like reality star paranoia like she clearly like like like carmela wanted to have a moment like all of you tacky bitches haven't tried to do something like this before you know i think that carmela yeah i was not necessarily wrong like carmela may have wanted to have a moment where she could like brag about this is what i got you i think her coming in with the Dior bag sort of fulfills, excuse me, I'm burping out my disdain, but the Dior bag sort of fulfills that.

59:41Ben Mandelker: But on top of that, like, why don't you give someone the benefit of the doubt that maybe she wants to see how delighted you might've been by the Dior bag? Now, I'm not saying that that's what the intention was, but if you're trying to get to know someone, and if you're trying to paint yourself as the nice person that you are, you would try to give someone the benefit of the doubt rather than calling up and complaining about it yeah i mean look one carmella i'm sure

1:00:05Ronnie Karam: was doing it because she's on housewives and you brag about your money and she wanted to brag about her money okay anyone anyone whose birthday it was would have gotten that dior purse okay first of all yeah but you don't you it's just ungrateful don't look a gift horse in the mouth especially on these shows you never know what you're going to find in that mouth probably another head like on alien where the, you know, the alien opens its mouth to eat you and then another little head comes out. This is real housewives. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. And second, why is it okay for you to exploit your small child who's going through whatever problems he has on TV for attention, but she's not allowed to exploit her purse?

1:00:44Ronnie Karam: I mean, when are we going to start drawing the lines here, okay? I think it's more tasteful to exploit the purse. Team Carmela on this one. I will take your gift. Thank you.

1:00:54Ben Mandelker: So Heather's like,

1:00:56Ronnie Karam: are you going to exploit a purse or a person? Which is better? I like that.

1:01:01Ben Mandelker: Are we really thumbing our nose at a Dior clutch? I mean, big deal. They cost as much as a Joe Bazooka. Whatever. Everyone has a Dior clutch. But you don't turn your nose up at it. How much does it cost? $5? $10? Come on. So Emily's like, what's more expensive?

1:01:20Ronnie Karam: A Dior purse or a pickle? I don't know.

1:01:27Ben Mandelker: Oh no, I spilled some relatable pizza on myself, because that's what I am, just a lady eating pickles and occasionally pizza on the street. Heather, you're eating it from the side. The tip of the triangle goes in the mouth, not the side of the triangle. What? Now you're eating the pickle like a corn gob. This is how you eat a pickle, is it not?

1:01:53Ronnie Karam: speaking of pickles that wasn't the only thing in that gift bag there was also a vibrator let it look just like your pickle it's like oh wow a vibrator let me open my mouth and shock i can't believe the bad manners a vibrator and um i think i i think this is maybe slightly

1:02:15Ben Mandelker: clarifying on two ends so maybe emily was saying like my first instinct was like oh my god was she trying to have a moment with me and then i realized she was trying to have a jokey moment uh still having that first instinct is not great but then now it's even clearer that carmela yes she wants to brag about the uh the dior but she also wants to have a funny like fun games like is rni like a ball of jokes and fun moments of like the vibrator or she wants to see emily's surprise i just think that it's crazy that emily grafted such you know um such ulterior mode like grafted such suspicion onto this moment that like this is just so ridiculous yeah now you're going

1:03:00Ronnie Karam: to get offended about the dildo the vibrator you know it's like she's getting mad at two gifts i would have been happy with either i mean someone gave you something you know so um heather acts horrified and terry comes in and they tell him about it and he goes oh yeah i get it you're supposed to open it and then she goes if you don't like the bag you can go fuck yourself isn't that good and heather goes please stroke him so i don't have to tonight weren't you just horrified by a vibrator now we have to listen to you talking about stroking off your husband come on yeah make up your mind are we furious or not huh i said is that the right choice of

1:03:43Ben Mandelker: words for terry um so by the way terry was the only one who did get that joke and uh and then sort of like as he says that you realize that was clearly her intent was to make have a silly pun moment and she's also trying i think she was i think i agree i think she was i mean she's Clearly making vibrators like her personality. Like, that's her thing. Like, I love vibrators. But the point is, flops all around.

1:04:14Ronnie Karam: I thought it was just like a silly joke. Like someone's like trying to be fun and give you something fun. I really shouldn't think too deeply about it. You know, I'm just not ready to give Carmella that credit yet. It's not you. I don't know this person. And now look, Emily's already got me fighting to the death for this Carmella person. Because Emily is such an asshole. That is Emily's power on this show. She's such an asshole that she gets you rooting for whoever she's against. Because Emily is just classically wrong in every fight.

1:04:45Ben Mandelker: Carmella Nopano, which is... So, originally it was Carmella Soprano. And it became Carmella Nopano. And it became Carmella Nopano. The irony of me making a joke about Carmella not being able to make a pun by changing her last name into a pun that's so disordered from its original text that it also is not a pun is not lost on me. So now we go to Todos Santos restaurant for another cold 10 a.m. vibe meal. And Vicky, Jen, and Gina are having brunch. Gina shows up in her ode to Diane Keaton wearing a tie and a blazer, which I'm not opposed to for anyone. I loved it on Kyle Richards, actually, last season.

1:05:28Ben Mandelker: But I don't know why for Gina. It just is silly to me. I don't know why. I felt like she was in a school play.

1:05:35Ronnie Karam: the best thing about gina's outfits it's the whole day and it's huge shoulder pads it's the gigantic oversized football cartoon football player shoulder pads i don't know why she's wearing them but she wears them here she wears them in her confessional she's i think it's i'm a i'm a person with slouchy posture i have bet midler posture and so does gina you know some of us just have those shoulders the slumpy shoulders and gina is one of those people and i think that people give her so much shit on the internet that now she's wearing huge shoulder pads to offset it so at a certain angle it looks like she's standing up straight even though it's just like a big block of shit on her i don't know what she's doing but it's insane and i was laughing every time she came out and these i'm in business now i'm not in a shoulder bag

1:06:26Ben Mandelker: yeah i mean i think that look is sort of in i think like the the large proportions maybe having a moment but either way i think your theory does hold weight it reminds me of are you watching project runway at all or did you watch it last season there's a designer on there named joseph mccray who does these like big blocky uh shoulders by the way for those wondering uh freeform slash Hulu has absolutely destroyed Project Runway. It is so bad now. Like, it is so, so bad. It's like, it's embarrassingly bad. I mean, it's still always fun to... Well, I think it's its third season, maybe second or third season that's been on Hulu.

1:07:03Ben Mandelker: They're trying to be more like Drag Race. And so instead of it being really like, hey, these are people from fashion. A lot of people are still, like, the designers are still legit. But like, instead of the vibe being like, we're a serious show about designers, that we want to make, we want to see who's the best one, who we can find a new voice and fashion and lift them up. And we're going to have like some serious judges, yada, yada, yada. Now it's like, it's all about cattiness. It's all about the designers, like reading scripted lines. It's all about, they have like a lot of sort of stunts in there to make it like very reality show competition-y, like Big Brother.

1:07:46Ben Mandelker: it's not like obviously endurance competitions but like they have to make these choices that just were not in the original and they are just really trying to be as like funny and snarky as drag race but like failing like because drag race is drag race drag race does the drag race thing that's what they're good at and and this one's just like it's like embarrassing you know it's it's really really embarrassing so it makes me sad i should hear about project runway i know

1:08:13Ronnie Karam: Bravo Classic.

1:08:14Ben Mandelker: I know. I mean, the formula still will always work because it's still fun to see people sew, have people break down before the runway. You see what comes out. I do love that, but it's just too... It's like just... It's missing the mark now. It makes me so sad. It's so sad. It's like if Top Chef suddenly started becoming like a Food Network show, you know? Oh, God. Food Network. I haven't even watched that one in a long time. Hey, everyone. This is the end of part one of this recap for part two. Keep an eye on your podcast feed. It is coming up in just a moment. Thanks so much for listening. Catch you on the second half.

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